February 11, 2008
Posted: February 11th, 2008 10:18 AM ET
CNN

Watch two super delegates discuss their role in the process.

(CNN) – The tight presidential race between Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama has brought unaccustomed scrutiny to superdelegates, the Democratic Party insiders who may prove decisive in deciding the party’s presidential nomination this year.

Superdelegates are party leaders, Democratic members of Congress, former presidents and Democratic governors, who each get a delegate vote at the party’s nominating convention and are free to cast it for any candidate, regardless of their state’s primary season preference.

Two of these party insiders told American Morning anchor John Roberts Monday that they are ‘uncomfortable’ with their votes being the deciding factor.

“I think the best people to decide our nominee should be actual voters in primaries and caucuses,” said Maine superdelegate Sam Spencer, adding that the function of superdelegates was “somewhat outdated and not the most democratic way of doing things.”

CNN estimates Hillary Clinton already has the support of 224 out of the 796 superdelegates and Barack Obama has support from 135, leaving 437 up for grabs.

–CNN's Emily Sherman

Filed under: Delegates • superdelegates


bean counter, Motor City, MI   February 11th, 2008 5:54 pm ET

First we had hanging chads...
then we had delegates that don't have a seat...
next we have superdelegates.

Perhaps there is a vast conspiracy

Kim, Sacramento, CA   February 11th, 2008 5:48 pm ET

They should be uncomfortable – they have no right to be involved in the selection process of the nominee for President. The voice of the people needs to be heard only and the process of superdelegates – the equivilent of yester-years smoke filled rooms – needs to be done away with. The parties wonder why people don't want to get involved.... Well, I can tell them – it is because of things like this that makes people feel that their involvement doesn't mean anything and people really don't like to be dismissed.

Erik   February 11th, 2008 5:32 pm ET

Everyone is talking about removing the superdelegates, when in fact this scenerio is the reason they were created. The party wanted to make sure that the nominee was someone that could win the general, not just the person that was popular with the activist base.

CHERYL   February 11th, 2008 5:28 pm ET

THEY ARE PROBABLY AFRAID OF THE OBAMA SUPPORTERS BECAUSE THEY ARE SO NASTY!
HILLARY IS THE ONLY ONE WITH THE EXPERIENCE AND BRAINS TO PULL IT OFF!
BORACK IS A LOT OF TALK WITH NOTHING TO BACK IT UP!
PLUS HE HAS A SHADY PAST WITH TOM REZKO!
THE FACT THAT HE WILL NOT SALUTE THE FLAG SHOULD TELL PEOPLE SOMETHING!!!!!!!!!
VOTE FOR HILLARY THE LOGICAL CHOICE AND SURE BET!!!!!!!!
GO HILLARY!!!!!!!!!!!

chuck   February 11th, 2008 5:24 pm ET

What is interesting in this entire thing is that people forget or don't know that right now there isn't an election going on. There is a nomination process for the Republican Party and the Democratic Party. It isn't an election that happens in November.

The Republican's in most states have a winner take all system and the "Party ellites" are able to become delegates to the convention "pledged" to the winner of the primary. They run against the average Joe's and Jane's at their state convention.

The Democrat's seperate the "Party Elites" into super delegates who do not run for the seats that others involved in the party are able to run for. And the Democrats divide the state proportionally so that both candidates get some delegates from each state.

So, I propose if you want to eliminate the superdelegates lets go to winner take all.

Current count today under winner take all Clinton 1,179; Obama 883.

Looks like the Democrat's rules have been favoring Obama.

David, Gilbert Arizona   February 11th, 2008 5:18 pm ET

The Super delegates were created because Teddy Kennedy opposed the incumbent Jimmy Carter in 1980. It is established tradition that if the incumbent runs for a second term he or she runs unopposed. Teddy wasn't going to follow that trend so the DNC created super delegates in order to ensure a "spoiler" did not get the nomination.

Super delegates are establishment's way of keeping grips on the party, regardless of what the actual populous chooses. This is why they hide in the shadows and shun the spot light.

linda hemmingsen   February 11th, 2008 5:18 pm ET

so people want to change the super delegate status because obama hasn't as many , well this has been the way things have been run in the democratic party why does it have to change just because a black man is now running. Hasn;t he had every advantage from the free ride of the media. no one still knows anthing about him or what he is going to do or how he will pay for it. clinton had put everything out there.

Rules are Rules   February 11th, 2008 5:01 pm ET

If the rules for Superdelegates are changed this late in the game, I hope Hillary goes to the Supreme Court – what a crock!

abm Habibullah   February 11th, 2008 4:58 pm ET

The person with most delegates should get the nomination. Super delegates should back off and respect rights of average voters. If somhow super delegates alter the nomination, I will not VOTE for that person in General election, nor I will give a penny to DNC ever.

Blake Brockway   February 11th, 2008 4:50 pm ET

Dear delegates, “super” delegates,
It’s time that we talk.
For if we don’t soon,
My vote may take a walk.

Simply put, my allegiance is free;
Let’s face it dear delegates you need people like me.
I’m liberal and conservative; independent as can be,
And Barack Obama is the candidate for me.

He’s winning in votes.
He’s winning in states.
He’s winning in delegates,
At least those we can take.

Two-twenty-four to one-thirty-five;
You, super delegates, would have it appear
That Hillary is winning;
Though we’ve been quite clear.

If this pattern persists,
Please hear my vow:
I’ll vote for McCain,
Without raising a brow.

Murry   February 11th, 2008 4:48 pm ET

If Hillary is so concerned about voter represenation in MI, FL, and DC, she should not be in favor of super delegates deciding the vote. That would be hypocritical.

aware   February 11th, 2008 4:43 pm ET

Super delegates are part of the process this year. If you don't like it try to change it for the next election. :)

Hillary the HOPE of 08

Carressa, Florida   February 11th, 2008 4:41 pm ET

Super Delegates should be uneasy with the attention that they are receiving because their voters are watching them to see if they will vote the way the majority votes or will they just hand someone the nomination because of the long lived courtship and friendships that have formed. It takes a real person to stand up to their friends and let them know, not this time.

Pat   February 11th, 2008 4:40 pm ET

I think all of the super delegates should remain uncommitted and then who ever wins the popular vote should get the super delegates because if it goes the other way and the super delegates don't go for who has the popular vote they will dismiss everything the majority wants and it is likely that people won't vote in November if that happens.

Becareful super delegates.

ARMY Lt. Col   February 11th, 2008 4:36 pm ET

NEVER LITTLE O.

This is the internet, a system of anonymous individuals who you haven't the fainest ideal of who they are, what they really stand for or believe in. I can tell you I'm a Hillary fan, while I'm sitting in Obama's campaign headquarters or I could be an african american and say I'm white and that I would never vote for a black for president, the bottom line is you just don't know. So, don't base your vote on what you read from the anonymous people in the pages on the internet. This goes for never little o and all of the rest of you out there.

kathe oakland, california   February 11th, 2008 4:34 pm ET

Super delegates????Who are they?????

As an American citizen I think all Americans need to know who these people are that will decide whether our votes even count in this County. So why are we all voting anyway if these super delegates make the final decision as though they were all Americas' mama and papa!!!!!

I think we all should have the right to know who exactly these folks are, how they vote finally as I hear they can be "wishy-washy" – so OK. You super delegates, if you are so SUPER, who are you???????

And from I have heard so far, these Super delegates don't give a dam about what the American voters want, it is about whoever can "buy-them-off.

If this is the case and the American people are kept in our play pens like children, then what is democracy all about in the USA

tomdavie   February 11th, 2008 4:30 pm ET

Again.

Givins SUPER media attention the super delegates is all ULTRA HYPE to put pressure on them to vote for Obama.

If super delegates vote the same way as their districts like zombies, then there is no point to having them at all.

Its just an EXTRA vote that the super delegate has no say in.

The whole point is so that the public doesnt go INSANE for a HYPE candidate like George Mc Govern based on YOUTH and RADICAL vote, and then get CRUSHED in the general election.

Obama doesnt get to CAUCUS in the general election. He doesnt get to HYPE youth voters in a rock concert style gathering of show of hands.

The general election is a dry as a bone stand in line for an hour private vote.

Show me where barack Obama is clearly the DEMOCRATIC voters choice. Not the 'independent ' and 'repubilican in hiding' vote .

People who JOINED the democratic party. If he gets MORE of those votes, then YES, he should be the nominee.

But we all know he WONT.

Bob   February 11th, 2008 4:12 pm ET

Or, you know, we could just have a ranked voting system and eliminate the need for primaries altogether.

BUT WHERE'S THE SPORT IN THAT???

Adealia Artist   February 11th, 2008 4:09 pm ET

"Hillary is the most experienced nationally" is the biggest fraud and lie being told today by either the dishonest or ignorant. CONSIDER THIS:

She worked for a second rate law firm – Rose law firm.

She worked for a small activist group - Childrens Defense Fund.

She was the wife of a governor.

She was a First Lady.

She is now a mediocre senator from New York.

What is she experienced at?

Why nothing at all.

If the sheep elect her then so be it. She is unstable and will breakdown when she finds out she will not get her way.,

ben   February 11th, 2008 4:08 pm ET

If Obama loses after winning the most votes to the supper(?) deligates,I hope
his followers walk out of the convencion, and run him as an independant.
He could beat both the remaing candidates!i

Ann Independent FairMedia,PA   February 11th, 2008 4:03 pm ET

Leave the Super Delegates alone…You want to cover something…Cover the Milloions of Voters in Florida and Michigan that can't have their votes count….Where's Oprah's cell number…
OOOPS that's just for Senator Obama supporters…MY BAD

Superdelegates for sale   February 11th, 2008 3:55 pm ET

Superdelegates will be going to the highet bidder....and that is for Hilllary. Obama doesn't have the experience or influence. The Obama cult will meet it's end at the DNC.

Obama stands for change...but do any of you really know if it's good or bad change? Or do you even care?

NV   February 11th, 2008 3:50 pm ET

Superdelegates should vote as "their" state voted. The people should decide not some Superdelegate. It should not come down to their vote, they should not be the deciding factor for the nominee. Or better yet NO SUPERDELEGATE should vote at all. LET US PEOPLE DECIDE!!!!

Lisa   February 11th, 2008 3:47 pm ET

Super delegates are flesh and blood like us but they are not like everyone else as some have prevously stated. If they were, one vote would equal to 1 vote. One delegate is worth how much, say around 10,000 votes?

Response to Di   February 11th, 2008 3:37 pm ET

Di wrote: If your a Democrat you go by the rules of your party!!! End of story!!andBarack Hussein Obama might lose????

I vote that you're an idiot. I think that's in my party's rules. No seriously, I wish you would use your real name for posting Karl

(see...now that's funny)

Brandon   February 11th, 2008 3:31 pm ET

"People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their People" -V

J   February 11th, 2008 3:30 pm ET

ummm...what does barack's middle name have to do with anything at all? are you people complete morons?

Vera Jones   February 11th, 2008 3:29 pm ET

I agree wirh Intelluals comment. If Hillary "wins" the nomination, Obama should run as an Independent and choose John Edwards as a running mate.

Brandon   February 11th, 2008 3:29 pm ET

The only reason why people would support the "super delegates" voting in whatever way they please is that their candidate has gained some kind of advantage from this system or that they think that it is okay for a small "nobility" of sorts to be able to decide this country's future. I am personally a supporter of Obama, but I would support a democratic candidate that won delegates fairly as opposed to having a candidate that wins based on their ties to the richer, established democrats who are a part of our current corrupt system.

Response to Florida For Clinton   February 11th, 2008 3:28 pm ET

"Florida For Clinton" wrote:.. PUTRID LIBERAL LEFT OF THE LEFT TO SAY THE LEAST...

Who let Ann Coulter post on this site?!?!

Stop pretending that you're a democrat ,you Republican poser.

dw   February 11th, 2008 3:23 pm ET

100% Politics. Politicians as well those supporting them have cockeye view on issues and process. Everyone knows the Primary process before it actually started. And now saying it is not true democratic means...

* They have no idea about the party and how it works (If they dont understand the process, let them learn and then run for the Nomination.)
OR
*They know for sure, at the end, they are going to loose the contest
(Let them gracefully accept and bow out)

I dont see any difference between Obama and others, everyone is one and the same. Obama after all these hypes, now talking about the so called " undemocratic process" of using super delegates shows what one can expect from him, if at all he is elected.

Friends please think, dont get carried away with words. Charisma is not going to get your life back to you. Please think before it is too late.

Darth Vadik, CA   February 11th, 2008 3:22 pm ET

FLORIDA for CLINTON,

Get out of here you freeper, being liberal is an honor, and I'm proud of it, take your conservative values down the hole they crawled out of.

See posting by Leftnut   February 11th, 2008 3:20 pm ET

You allow this to get through, but legitimate posts must await moderation? Please explain this.

Darth Vadik, CA   February 11th, 2008 3:20 pm ET

Di,

Are you a freeper, only Republicans say Barack Husein Obama.
Get out of here, go watch the FAUX NEWS channel.

California Voter   February 11th, 2008 3:20 pm ET

Obama said that the super delegates should vote according to who the voters in their state voted for . . . .personally, I think caucuses are a terrible way to vote. Look at those that voted in Nevada with their bosses standing by! Also, caucus voters usually number 10 percent or so of the registered voters. So someone wins a state with a very small percentage of the registered voters. Weird process if you ask me.

Alex Badme, Albuquerque, NM   February 11th, 2008 3:19 pm ET

Funny How Husband Slick Willie Clinton is a Super-delegate. Can you say conflict of interest. More Clinton corruption. More inside. Let the people decide, NOt her Husband. What a shameful family. We're gonna get more of the same. The Bush dynasty and then the Clinton dynasty. We don't need either. Chelsea will be running for Senate next in her bid for the President.. Its all in the LCinton dynasty plans. Wake up people

dmw   February 11th, 2008 3:17 pm ET

If they feel uncomfortable, then do not vote. They have never claimed to not like being one before. Just more pressure from the media trying to force the Superdelegates to vote for Obama. Hillary is the most experienced nationally.

tom   February 11th, 2008 3:17 pm ET

The parties have every right to pick their candidate however they choose. We are not picking a president. If I wanted to start a new political party and choose my candidate internally, I have every right to do so without asking the public what they think. A party has the right to decide within themselves who best represents their platform. Just because someone gets more votes doesn't mean they necessarily represent the party, and that can only be decided by party officials..

FLORIDA for CLINTON   February 11th, 2008 3:15 pm ET

OBAMA = TED KENNEDY + TOM DASCHLE + JOHN KERRY

ARGHHHHHHHHhhhhhhhhhhhh....VERY VERY SCARY!!!!!!!!!

PUTRID LIBERAL LEFT OF THE LEFT TO SAY THE LEAST…..THIS IS WHY THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY NEEDS SUPER DELEGATES!!!!

GO HILLARY!!!!!!

Erick   February 11th, 2008 3:14 pm ET

Re: Tom Whittman comment

Mr. Whittman, as someone living in Dallas, TX, I have to respectfully disagree with your comment about Obama's appeal in Texas and his chipping away of the Hispanic vote. I rarely hear Obama's name mentioned in public. Even the political discussion on public transportation is about Hillary...this includes the discussion by African American voters. Texas is Clinton country, and you might as well get used to it.

Obama support in Iowa   February 11th, 2008 3:12 pm ET

For those of you who might not have been paying attention, or started paying attention after the Michigan primary – here's the deal. Since they decided to move their primary up, against the will of the National Democratic Party, they won't be allowed to seat delegates at the National Convention. The ONLY name on the MIchigan democratic ballot was HIllary. Both Edwards and Obama removed their names per their party's request.

Jim   February 11th, 2008 3:04 pm ET

To say you would vote republican if your candidate doesn't win is rediculous. That is the tyoe of divisivness that Billary brings! As much as I support Obama, and am starting to distrust the Clintons, she is still way better the Mccain or the Huckster

Mr Bre   February 11th, 2008 3:03 pm ET

Ya Men,
I really believe that "supper heads" should not dictate who the dem candidate shouLd be. Let the people decide. I believe that whoever gets the most "plegde heads" from purpular votes should get the ticket.

FORWARD EVER BACKWARD NEVER

Karen from Minnesota   February 11th, 2008 2:54 pm ET

Superdelegates need to vote like the other delegates in their state? That doesn't make sense...then why have superdelegates? Obama folks never said anything about them before...they've been in place for a long while.

Superdelegates are the backbone of the part yproviding stability and continuity.

How many Obama supporters are party members? Have they sent dues to the DNC?

If no, then they cannot be counted on. To them these events are like the 60s "happenings". Just something to do until the next "thing" comes along.

pmac   February 11th, 2008 2:50 pm ET

Ban Superdelegates- -Throw out the continental congress!!!!!!
Why should superdelegates get two votes?
The government is of the people, for the people, by the people
Isn't that what the contitution says?

COUNT ONLY THE WAY THE PEOPLE VOTE

wait a minute   February 11th, 2008 2:49 pm ET

The Dem party used to be the party of the people.
Now it has become the party of the elites and the Clintons are at the center of the new Dems.

Di   February 11th, 2008 2:49 pm ET

To Latina:

You are totally right on!!!

Darth Vadik, CA   February 11th, 2008 2:47 pm ET

Latina for HILLARY

Why don't we just let politicians elect themeselves, who needs people to vote anyway, right?

WRONG

IF YOU ARE TRUSTED ENOUGHT TO HAVE A DELEGATE VOTE YOU BETTER VOTE THE WAY PEOPLE IN YOUR DISTRICT/STATE WANT YOU TO, OTHERWISE THERE WILL BE HELL TO PAY.

Darth Vadik, CA   February 11th, 2008 2:44 pm ET

NO WE WILL NOT TAKE THE SPOTLIGHT OFF OF YOU.

I DARE YOU TO GO AGAINST THE PEOPLE'S WILL,

I DARE YOU!

I would switch my vote   February 11th, 2008 2:40 pm ET

I would vote Republican if push came to shove. There is no independent out there, and I will not vote for Obama. Only other choice is to stay home

The media, the Kennedy's and Oprah have created this wonder boy who can do no wrong and will come in on day one and change Washingon and the world with just his presence. Will he take to the streets with his supporters and riot if he does not get in? Is that a scare tatic? It makes one want to throw-up – At least Hillary or her supportors and not making violent threats.

Stephen   February 11th, 2008 2:39 pm ET

KB: "I guess if all Superdelegates went with the will of the people of their states then Kennedy and Kerry would have to jump the Obama ship."

Yeah, and also if this were the rule, Clinton would lose 41 of her pledged superdelegates and they would go to Obama. And Obama would lose 30 of his pledged superdelegates and they would go to Clinton. This would result in a net increase of 11 superdelegates for Obama. (This isn't even counting the thrashing that Clinton will take in tomorrows primaries and thus would result in more superdelegates for Obama)

I know that my numbers do not take into account the yet to be pledged superdelegates, but this who superdelegate issues seems to have risen from the superdelegates pledging their support for whichever candidate they please, regardless of what the rest of their state desires.

gwen   February 11th, 2008 2:38 pm ET

The problem with SUPERDELAGATES is they thrawt the will of the people. The dems have lost a lot of membership over the yrs in part because of the "elitism" they reflect. Hillary does not have a lead and only lead she has is because of the SUPERDELEGATES-that is my beef. Obama stole speeches from NO ONE. He sounds like JFK and MLK because he speaks his VIOCE and doesn't try to SELL or IMPRESS anyone in the manner ALL of the other candidates do. People are afraid of being rejected for who they are. However, as Carl Rogers, the most influential psychologist in the field of psychotherapy once said NO ONE rejects one's AUTHENTIC SELF. They may be threatened by the authentcity. OBAMA IS AUTHENTIC and SUBSUQUENTLY TRUST WORTHY. Hillary says whatever she thinks will allow her to be liked. For all you Hillary fans what is all this expereince she says she has? Simply 6 yrs as a senator. Playing second fiddle to her hubby is not a substitution for experience. Her experience is how to manipulate the system..........just the thing most of us want to be rid of.

Daniel   February 11th, 2008 2:37 pm ET

Uncomfortable are you kidding me? They should publish the name, adress and phone of ALL of them. There shouldn't even be such a thing as a superdelegate. People should be outraged. Nothing will ever get done about the Electoral College but at least something can be done about this. Imagine, them checking our power- what little we have with these people. This is an absurd. Until they do something about this or until the people demand change, we should know who these people are. If the candidates can call them up we should be able to as well. Change begins you Amer. stand up in defense of your rights....demand such as injustice and insulting trick be overhauled.

DUH   February 11th, 2008 2:28 pm ET

Latina for HILLARY your comment is moronic.

Joe   February 11th, 2008 2:27 pm ET

If one candidate wins (1) the most states, (2) the most pledged delegates and (3) the most votes, I would be surprised if the superdelegates went against that candidate. And it would be a real travesty for the Democratic party if they did. Where this gets complicated is if one candidate wins two out of three of those criteria. Then this will be a real dogfight. Let's hope it doesn't come down to that (even though the "pundits" are clamoring for it).

Claude, calgary   February 11th, 2008 2:26 pm ET

This is an absolute outrage. In a time when there is record turnout voters for the democrates, this party is going to revert, go backward and let this race be determined by 800 or so political higher ups. Its and absolute outrage and citizens should phone there constituents and demand they dont speak for me.

I hope many like Donna Brazile will express outrage and take action on this process !!!!!!

Conan   February 11th, 2008 2:25 pm ET

Some pigs are more equal than others.......

Never little o   February 11th, 2008 2:23 pm ET

most of the venom I see is coming from supporters of Mr. Obama, who want their hero or nobody. I’m not the first to point out that the Obama campaign seems dangerously close to becoming a cult of personality.

NYC Native   February 11th, 2008 2:23 pm ET

They SHOULD be uncomfortable. What's the point of the primaries if THEY get to decide in the end? To hell with all of the "superdelegates".

Roc   February 11th, 2008 2:21 pm ET

The superdelegates should vote according to their states majority vote winner!!
If that does not happen, America will be back to square one. Americans already have their doubts in the system, and alot of people feel their vote don't count. Which is why people don't vote at all. If the Democratic Party Leaders make this election their decision, They can forget the "Get out and Vote" movement they are promoting in America today. The American people deserve the right to be heard.

Furthermore, I would like to see the democrats simplify how the delegates are divided up. I think the smaller state should be winner take all and then split the bigger states up according to counties.

Finally, I am a strong supporter of Obama, However if Hillary was to win the nomination we got her back in CT, But for now – GO OBAMA!!!! YES WE CAN!!!!

Carolyn CA   February 11th, 2008 2:20 pm ET

Tom Wittmann: You've got it all figured out, don't you? I'm going to run a copy of your message and compare it with the results of those states. You do the same and then I'll meet you back here after those primaries.

KB   February 11th, 2008 2:18 pm ET

I guess if all Superdelegates went with the will of the people of their states then Kennedy and Kerry would have to jump the Obama ship.

Karen from Minnesota   February 11th, 2008 2:11 pm ET

tomdavie you are so right. McGovern was my first caucus. The young folks, and I was one, wanted him and then they didn't show up in November. Superdelegates are not part of the government and we really have no right to them! The Democratic party the last I heard was a private entity.

The Obama people throw around a lot of big time wordss but you lack knowledge and experience. You will have it later but don't screw up this election and the country by getting carried away.

Rocks stars are not presidential material otherwise the street in my old neighborhood would be name Elvis Blvd., Orbison Rd, etc. let's get some substance into the campaign and quit the yelling, name-calling etc

jezme   February 11th, 2008 2:09 pm ET

Latina,
Where on earth did you read that Obama is crying foul?? He has not said one word about the super delegates. geez, read before you write.

Never little o   February 11th, 2008 2:09 pm ET

Obama people are crazy mean and I would never support them after this election sham.

Hillary or McCain. Causcuses are for fools.

NEVER ever little itty bitty o.

TheLeftNut   February 11th, 2008 2:08 pm ET

Intellectuals said:

If Hillary gets the nomination by the superdelegates…..there may be riots, and Obama should run as an independent.

Change your posting name STUPID, because that's the stupidest idea since the 2000 election's supreme court decision. You just divide the democratic vote in half in the general election and the Republicans will win.

OR maybe you're just a Republican poser

(the later is most likely true, idiot)

Stephen   February 11th, 2008 2:07 pm ET

Latina for Billary: "This is the way it is, and set up. Just because Hillary will win it in super delegates style, there is no need for OBAMA supporters to cry foul."

I don't see this as Obama supporters crying foul that there are superdelegates, since he is going to win the race without them and then they will all jump onto his side anyway to save their own behind when it comes to their own reelection time. What I see this as is democrats in general do not want smoke-filled-room politics as usual deciding who will represent us. This is not a Clinton vs Obama issue, this is an us vs the establishment issue.

Its the way it is   February 11th, 2008 2:06 pm ET

Obama supporters and the media are already starting to make whinny sounds about the superdelegates. This the way it is – there is absolutely no reason on earth to change the rules mid-stream just to suit Obama, his supporters or the media. No one cared much when they stopped counting in Florida and the Supreme Court virtually decided the outcome. What would you do if the superdelegates vote in Obama's favor -refuse to accept them on principle, ha ha fat chance. Are you keeping awake on this Sen. Kennedy? Oprah will probably dedicate a whole show to the "injustice of it all"! Talk of civil war and blood baths have already made thier way into media talk shows. News people who are talking like this should be fired or at the very least be told to "shut up" – you know like Bill Clinton was.

If any laws are going to be changed – it has to be done prior to the start of elections – not smack dab in the middle. One more thing, even if Obama comes out as the nominee does not mean he will be President. So, don't count your chickens before they are hatched.

Karen from Minnesota   February 11th, 2008 2:05 pm ET

I would not say anything about giving the voters what they want if the caucuses and primaries were set up in a secure, standardized way. In my caucus the leader left the ballots at home and was incredulous that he was supposed to bring them. He got a second set and when he ran out he used a little notebook for those who were latecomers. I heard that some leaders used post-it notes.

Some states with primaries had two ballot boxes depending on who you voted for. So much for a secret ballot.

Discussion with your neighbors? I live in a suburb and most of the people in my caucus did not speak english. Besides, there wasn't enough time. Are they registered voters. Obama sent an email that said to show up anyway.

We couldn't even get enough people to be delegates. They did not want to spend Saturday at the local school picking a candidate.

Have a national primary on the same day everywhere. Make it secure, private, standardized and FAIR! This is too important...do it right!

Souza   February 11th, 2008 2:04 pm ET

"Obama Nationh" as stolen his speaches fron JFK and Dr. Martin Luther King. I am not aware of anything thing he has done since he became a Jr. Senator 3 years ago. He has no international experience but says he can stop the War.
Would you make a CEO of General Motors with only 3 years experience. Please!!
I know George Bush has run this country into the ground but is no reason for the American people to act desparate.
I wish Hillary got half of the Media coverage Obama gets.
Check out CNN and the rest of them it is all about Obama. No wonder he has a movement. The media has created it.
Go Hillary!!!!

From Planet Earth   February 11th, 2008 2:02 pm ET

ADVICE FOR SUPERDELEGATES:

You are human beings first, Americans second and Democrats third.

Vote prayerfully, thoughtfully and with your heart.

Carrie   February 11th, 2008 1:59 pm ET

CNN, who are these superdelegates? How about a list of names? The American people have the right to know.

Obama 08!

Uba   February 11th, 2008 1:57 pm ET

It would be very unfair and undemocratic if the Superdelegates to decide the Democratic nomination. Superdelegates should throw their votes behind whichever democratic candidate wins the pledged delegate vote count.

Gary   February 11th, 2008 1:55 pm ET

What is interesting and disturbing at the same time is the disproportion of current superdelegates whom have already endorsed a candidate from the pledged delegates. One would expect that they should be closer together than what they are. This reeks of superdelegates supporting their personal choice for whatever personal reasons. This will NOT resonate well with the millions of Democrat voters all across America whom supported a candidate. The fact there is 796/4049 of the total delegates being superdelegates also seems way too out of line. I agree the process needs to be reviewed and updated for the next set of primaries in 2012. In the interim I believe if the people have both Obama and Clinton in a dead heat, that a small panel of independent Dems select a nominee based on certain criteria- total support delegates, whom is more electible, whom would make a better President if both candidates are deemed electible and other factors. The fact 796 partial superdelegates an use their personal reasons for determining the Democratic Presidential nominee is disturbing, as is. Let's hope registered Dems, independents etc manage to determine this on their own in the upcoming primaries.

Manuel, Pearland, TX   February 11th, 2008 1:55 pm ET

Who are the super delegates in MI and FL and how are they going to vote?

If they are going to vote in alignment with their voters and the will of the people...then they vote for Hillary.

Jeremy, Los Angeles, Ca   February 11th, 2008 1:55 pm ET

The system may not be perfect, but why are we so concerned over this? In my opinion, it seems like when the topic of Superdelegates under Hillary is brought up everyone rushes to negative judgment, but when the topic turns to Obama's Superdelegates people want to oooh and ahhh over how moving it is to see Ted Kennedy or Al Gore or some other high profile Dem endorse Obama.

Superdelegates are people, just like the rest of us. They have their right to vote and have their voice heard. If the DNC chooses to empower them with this special standing then their votes and voices should be given the same level of respect as everyone else's.

Elected officials are elected to represent us in Washington or in policy matters and leadership, not in voting for a candidate. Suggesting that a Superdelegate should vote how the people of his or her state votes runs contrary to the democratic fiber of this nation and sets up the weak precedent of simply going with the majority for the sake of conformity.

That does not sound very democratic or American to me.

John   February 11th, 2008 1:52 pm ET

East Lansing, MI

The only thing I remember about Ohio and Florida are people who didn't know how to vote properly. The rules of voting in Florida, for example, is simple. The vote had to be a COMPLETE punch. Hanging chads aren't votes. It has been that way for years. Democrats forget to mention Missouri where voting machines were taken by democrats to prevent those votes from being counted. This after it was decided that the polls should remain open longer than previously agreed upon. Why? Because the democrats were still out in the neighborhoods attempting to bring in people who hadn't voted but whom they knew would vote for Gore. Talk about taking away rights! BTW. We have a democrat led congress. It is amazing how they have accomplished NOTHING of significance because they are too busy pushing their own irrelevant agenda. As for the homeland security stuff (warrantless taps, etc.), I don't agree with it, but if you have nothing to hide, then you don't have to worry about it. Maybe if the democrats really cared about people they would do something about the erosion of rights instead of attempting to take away more rights (right to bear arms, right to life for a fetus, right to not be taxed up the butt so they can spend more of my money on their pet projects.)

Intellectuals   February 11th, 2008 1:51 pm ET

9 supreme court justices decided the 2000 election.

We cannot let the Superdelegates decide the '08 primaries.

If Hillary gets the nomination by the superdelegates.....there may be riots, and Obama should run as an independent.

Stop Estimating How They Will Vote   February 11th, 2008 1:51 pm ET

For God's sake CNN....STOP TRYING TO COUNT SUPERDELEGATE VOTES BEFORE THEY THEMSELVES KNOW WHICH WAY THEY ARE GOING.

Your estiamtes are distorting and manipulative. JUST REPORT THE FACTS... that would be the PLEDGED delegates. We don't care what CNN "THINKS" will happen.

Wayne, Greenville TX   February 11th, 2008 1:50 pm ET

I plan on finding out exactly who the superdelegates are in my area, and urge them to vote for the candidate who gets the most votes in our primary on Mar 4th. that's the only way to make it fair.

Me2   February 11th, 2008 1:50 pm ET

One thing to think about, and I bet this has been argued before; if people feel that the will of the people should be followed, then they should be open to having Michigan and Florida delegates taking part in the nomination process. But if you cry foul and states that they have broken the rules, then how about the present rules of the Democratic Party regarding the roles of superdelegates in the nomination process?

J   February 11th, 2008 1:50 pm ET

before you post something here as if it is fact, maybe take a moment to learn something so you don't look like a moron. they aren't changing the rules right now. perhaps the rules should be changed and if so then anyone interested in changing the system needs to become involved instead of sitting around complaining about it. what does this mean? writing letters, making phone calls, becoming involved in government actively rather than just complain about it anonymously via cnn.com. no matter how you vote and who you support if you aren't involved then shut the hell up. the world is run by those who show up. voting alone isn't enough anymore.

Intellectuals   February 11th, 2008 1:49 pm ET

I am Indian immigrant and I cannot understand why many of my Indian friends here are supporting Hillary. The British when they colonized India inculcated that white is superior mind-set and they just don't see the greatness in Obama.

Bill cannot simply take credit for the internet revolution of the '90's that spurred the economy. Just by visiting Indian restaurants in the DC area and holding a few children when they visited India, Billary think they own the Indian community–just plain wrong.

Bukky   February 11th, 2008 1:49 pm ET

How about instead of saying well the people should have a say and not me. Why not vote for the person that won your state? or your district or the popular vote nationwide? If you want to fair its not that difficult...

Linda   February 11th, 2008 1:48 pm ET

The problem of the superDs is the conflict of interest ...

Do you want to have an ex-president to campaign for you ? Vote for Billary.

Want a more influential position ? Billary knows the right guys to make that happen. Vote for Billary.

Need some money from the big lobbyists ? Billary can arrange for that. Vaote for Billary.

Many superDs vote their own preference, many vote for the highest bidder.

I'd hope they realize that this is not a 'normal' election and that Barack Obama is not the 'normal' candidate – he is the once-in-a-generation leader that the Democratic Party needs.

Imagine he would go with Bloomberg, Kathleen Sebylius, Claire McCaskill, Colin Powell and announce the establishment of an Independent Party. Not for this election, but ready for 2012. The Democrats would lose with Billary and be frustrated. All the issues would still be on the table in 2012 and the new Independent Part would win the presidency !! They would lead the White House and have a small representation in Congress (about 26%). Makes sense ?

Latina for HILLARY   February 11th, 2008 1:46 pm ET

This is the way it is, and set up. Just because Hillary will win it in super delegates style, there is no need for OBAMA supporters to cry foul. At least, it is a democrat in the white house, and this helps ESPECIALLY with appointing Justices. Whether it comes down to Obama or Hillary, regardless of who you voted for, WE as a people need to stand by our Democratic nominee.

It is not however, Hillary's fault, and OBAMA should NOT be talking smack. He knew when he got in this race, that this COULD be a possibility. Crying foul now, has a chance of DIVIDING not UNITING.

Of course, Hillary is the better candidate, regardless of how you feel about her. Is ok, you can be biased all you want, but the bottom line, SHE is the one FIT to run this country for the people. Thank you.

Me2   February 11th, 2008 1:46 pm ET

There seems to be a confusion as to what the "will of the people" means in the process of voting for a nominee for each party versus voting for the president in the general election. Each party can be likened to a private company/organization (just to simplify it), with the civilian Democrats/Republicans as regular shareholders and the superdelegates as board members or majority shareholders.
I can see the superdelegates roles in maintaining mission/vision statements of their respective parties, but of course this is complicated by political implications when their constituents are disenfranchised.

W B in Las Vegas   February 11th, 2008 1:45 pm ET

the Democrates so called "superdelegates" are really in a no win situation.

IF they support Clinton, then they alienate black voters who are their most reliable supporters AND the youth vote which could be huge in November.

IF they support Obama, then many women will feel cheated.

my wife and I are "Geezers for Obama" BUT IF a Clinton-Obama ticket means defeating McCain and also adding to the Democratic majority in the House and Senate, we can hold our nose for that. the MOST IMPORTANT THING is that the Democrates take back the White House and hopefully get an obstruction proof majority in the House and Senate.

otherwise this country will continue on it's rush like lemmings towards the economic cliff.

Jen   February 11th, 2008 1:45 pm ET

The Democratic party created superdeligates in the 1980s, basically taking the votes out of the hands of the people. As the superdeligate votes clearly do not represent the votes of the citizens, this group should be done away with.

Oh, please stop talking about Florida – ALL votes were counted about 10 times. It was only after several recounts and election officials with microscopes judging the intent of the voter that the Supreme Court stepped in.

Verna   February 11th, 2008 1:44 pm ET

I would be very unhappy if our president was selected by SUPER-DELEGATES and not the people of the United States. I am a Clinton supporter but would like to see her win as a candidate for the people and I would also like to see Michigan and Florida be counted as they should after all the PEOPLE spoke we should listen

Populist   February 11th, 2008 1:44 pm ET

The super delegates cant hide and will pay a price if they decide this nomination.

Justin   February 11th, 2008 1:44 pm ET

superdelegates should be uncomfortable. they're undemocratic and the whole system should be abolished like the electoral college.

Al   February 11th, 2008 1:42 pm ET

These "super" delegates should be uncomfortable. Most of them were decided before any votes were cast. I'm no political expert, but does this not bother anyone else? How do you justify the opportunity for "under the table" deals to be made in exchange for, say, a cabinet post? These people should cast their vote just as the rest of us do, and represent the candidate of their constituents' choice.

This is America, Jack, and it's high time that the people were able to speak their peace without politicians getting in the way. Yes We Can!

Tom Wittmann   February 11th, 2008 1:41 pm ET

and complementing my comment further above:

6) Do not worry about the superdelegates. They will climb on the train of the
winning by elected delegates party and at least, avaoid to shift the nominating
to the loosing candidate, as this would be a sure receipe to loose the general
election, as the loosing party will not support the nominee.

7) Neither worry regarding Michigan and Florida. Michigan, as due to the valid decision of the DNC and the pledge of the candidadtes not to campaign there
left Hillary sole on the ballot is totally out of any reversal of the non-seating,
Theoretically, the DNC could call for new primaries after June there, but if by
then Obama is far ahead, the momentum would lead him to win and not to loose there.

TOM

Charlotte   February 11th, 2008 1:41 pm ET

Both parties have super delegates, not just the dems. Ask Obama how to fix it , he has all the answers to fix Washington, according to him and his supporters.

Sarah L, Fayetteville, AR   February 11th, 2008 1:41 pm ET

Clinton doesn't care that Superdelegates could essentially disenfranchise primary voters in 48+ states. However, she does care about getting Florida and Michigan's delegates.

The rules are the rules. I feel that Superdelegates are outdated and it would be political suicide for them to side with the party who has less pledged delegates. That said, you can't change the rules mid-season–whether it be superdelegates or Michigan and Florida.

Ron Az   February 11th, 2008 1:39 pm ET

I am also uncomfortable with a few people deciding who will run for the Presidential office. If the delagate votes are that close, then let them both run and let the american people decide who will be President. After all, isn't it for the people and by the people? I an mot even sure I like the fact that delagates have a vote. It should be strictly by the people. The quanity of votes should determine who runs, even if it is by 1 vote.

John   February 11th, 2008 1:37 pm ET

This not what "the man" wants.....remember he wants to keep us down and elect who they want....not what we want........the AMERICAN PEOPLE....how dare us!!! This is really bad people and this system must be done away with.....NOW!!!!

Peg   February 11th, 2008 1:35 pm ET

Super Delegates should NOT decide the election. The People should! Therefore, they should remain undecided until after the all the primaries and caucuses are over and go with the majority of delagates minus the super delegates who have prematurely voted for their own personal candidate.

THEN, THIS SUPERDELEGATE SYSTEM SHOULD BE DISBANDED AND ELIMINATED! These Delegates SHOULD NOT be out voting the American People or trumping their choice in this election process.

matt, coppell, tx   February 11th, 2008 1:34 pm ET

GOOD! Im glad they are uncomfortable with the spot light! maybe now they will have the added pressure of doing the will of the PEOPLE and not the candidate that gives them the most money or the prospect of a cozy new job in the new administration!

superdeligates are a firewall set up by the dems to squash any candidate that makes it too far with out the approval of the elite. its undemocratic like almost everything in this country nowadays.

Kevin   February 11th, 2008 1:32 pm ET

This can't be good for the democratic primaries. Potential outcomes are including: backroom negotiations for President and VP spots. And now it may not come down to the voting public at all, but the political hacks running the system?

If a candidate wins the regular delegates, and the super delegates swing it the other way, the Democrats will be staggering from the public outcry. We the people are losing our voice to the represenatives!

Tom Wittmann   February 11th, 2008 1:32 pm ET

If Obama gains an additional significant adavantage in the Potomac primaries,
there is no way Hillary can reccuperate this in Pennsylvania, Ohio and Texas
because:

1) Te labor voters advantage for in Pennsylvania and Ohio, if existing at all, will be diminished by its strong black percentage and the fact, that traditional unionized labor is today any more very important

2) The Latino advantage in Texas is being reduced day after day by Obama's campaign, is not complemented by the Asian factor which in Texas is unimportant and therefore the situation will be very different as in California

3) The momentum in favor of Obama, epecially after a probable Potomac sweep,
will carry over to above states

4) If Hillary loose above states, she will have the biggest problems raising money, just contrary to Obama

5) Even if endorsement by Edward and Gore, at this stade, are not very important,
should they go to Obama would be the last straw to finish the Clintons.

TOM

Vince Los Angeles, CA   February 11th, 2008 1:30 pm ET

WAKE UP PEOPLE!!! a HUGE number of these superdelegates are Bill and Hillary Clinton's freinds!!!! How's THAT for Democracy!!??? One of these folks was on the news yesterday and stated clearly that he was voting for Hillary Clinton and he didn't care WHAT the voters in his state decided.......I will NOT support Hillary Clinton no matter what!! If she is the Dem nominee, I will leave the Democratic party and change to Independant.....if the superdelegates decide this thing I believe it is time we considered armed revolution in this country.....It is time to fight for American Democracy once again!!!!

jeff   February 11th, 2008 1:23 pm ET

super delegates should eliminate themselves from the decision process – it adds up to "who has the most money" to decide. Super delegates are a farce. Throw all of them out – they didn't vote (unless you count their check books).

Ron, TX   February 11th, 2008 1:23 pm ET

CNN, responsible reporting would include noting that ALL superdelegates are technically still up for grabs, since even those who support X candidate, are free to change their minds at any time up until they cast a vote.

Nate   February 11th, 2008 1:21 pm ET

Can a superdelegate go uncommitted?

If they are really that uncomfortable about voting, they could all vote uncommitted and let the people's poice be heard.

Johnson   February 11th, 2008 1:21 pm ET

This is something that is good for America. People should be held accountable for their voting. We need to know who is voting, and what they are voting for. You should never be ashamed of your vote. Let all political actions be in the spotlight of the public.

Dani   February 11th, 2008 1:19 pm ET

If the system and function of superdelegates is "outdated" then why have they not updated the way things are done prior to now? They really shouldn't be changing the rules of the game just because they are uncomfortable with how things are being played currently. That's called cheating. If you don't like the system, then overhaul it prior to an election, not during an election; otherwise, no whining.

East Lansing, MI   February 11th, 2008 1:18 pm ET

Where have you been Mike ? The Bush administration has been taking our rights away .every day. Remember Florida? Ohio? Have you tried to protest the invasion of Iraq? I guess you just got bit by the hand that fed you. Welcome to our world.

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