Hey Ickes, hey Obama: you're in a double bind, and I'm sick and tired of this double bind not being mentioned in the mainstream media.

If superdelegates are so bad, then that means, I guess, that you want to change the rules so voices can be heard.

But you, Obama, and the talking heads in the media keep saying that Senator Clinton is "whining" about the rules when she wants to seat delegates that represent the voices of the people of Florida and Michigan.

I guess hypocrisy is the new kind of politics Obama is peddling. How pathetic.

1968 Redux, here we come!

LOL! shes got so much ground to make up, its not impossible, but highly improbable. she has to win texas, ohio, and pennsylvania with OVER 60% just to stay viable. she's down almost 200,000 actual votes, and the picture is not getting any prettier for her.

After Obama wins Texas, Clinton can pack her bags and head back to NY, it will be over.

Hillary has a New Slogan Everyone
"Yes we Will"
I couldnt help but LMAO when She repeated the slogan about 10 times but her cheerleaders did not catch on.

Ugh, I'm so ready for this to be over. If either candidate loses big by the end of March I hope that they bow out and let us focus on November. Geeze.

As a clinton supporter, I find in very distasteful that they are starting this kind of rhetoric. It isn't fair to sit people from Michigan and Florida. If she was the only one on the ballot Edwards and Obama didn't really count. This isn't fair. They should stay focus on the race and the rules they agreed to at the beginning. Why does the clinton camp keep causing such confusion? I almost wish I hadn't cast my vote for her now.

Changing the "rules" to keep the Dynasty Going!!!….Hmm. Say anything do anything politics…..as usual.The Emperor has no "sense"…if they think they can fool the whole US…bait and switch…I thought they "outlawed" that kind of advertisment.

"Hillary Clinton won the primaries in both Florida and Michigan, where she was the only major Democratic candidate to appear on the ballot."

I believe this quote properly sums up CNN's bias. They phrase things in just such a way….to make Hillary look bad. All candidates were on the Florida ballot. CNN is pandering to the majority of Americans who only tune into the news every now and then.

Life long active Democrat here. Worked on national campaigns and been a funraiser for the party and candidates.
I will absolutely quit the Democratic Party and actively work for McCain if Clinton wins the nomination the way her campaign has acted and intends to grab the nomination. Totally undemocratic and pathetic. I am talking to more Democrats who are saying the same thing. If Clinton manages to wrestle the nomination away form Obama using these kinds of tactics, they will not vote for her regardless of whether Obama is also on the ticket. That will not make a difference. Many say they too will quit the party.

Mr. Ickes,

unless your candidate wants to cause irreparable damage to the democratic party, the race will be over somewhere in March or April after Senator Clinton fails to impressively win Ohio and Texas.

Obama/Edwards 08

Didn't the Hillary campaign say it would be all over by Super Tuesday? Wishful thinking on this new call, perhaps? And why do the Clinton people keep stealing Obama's phrases? Don't they have any of their own? (Yes we will vs. Yes we can). Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, you know. GO OBAMA!

You are stating the obvious about Hillary not talking caucus states seriously and dismissing the results from them. This is amazing. This Ickes guy voted to penalize Florida and Michigan Democratic delegates last year but now wants to go against his pledge. Enough is enough!

Obama in 08!

To not alllow the people of Michigan and Florida have a say in the nomination would be crazy. These are two crucial states when it comes to the election. It is the fault of the people of Michigan and Florida that their officials put them in this position? If Florida and Michigan votes had been allowed to count earlier, would the momentum swong for Obama like it did? Clinton is leading if you count these two states. Especially with regard to Florida - since each candidate was on an even playing field, the votes should stand as counted.

Let all the people decide - Clinton '08, Yes we will!!!!

We are tired of slash and burn politics

I will vote for Obama on March 4th - if my vote is overturned by Bill Clinton in Denver at the convention, I will stay home for the general election.

If you want another 4 years or more of a trash government, go ahead and vote Clinton — if that happens, I have a hunch we will end up with another Republican administration with good old John McCain at the helm — better him, though than Hillary

I just heard Senator Clinton in Ohio. It is so pathetic that she does not have the creativity to think about her own slogan. Now she is saying "yes we will". It is very sad and indignifying that she will use any means necessary to achieve her own political ambitions. And since when being the wife of an ex president qualify as "experience" ?And even if it did qualify we the american people know where the so called "experience" has led us.
Let's move forward and not backwords. I am so tired of the Bush and attempted Clinton dynasty.
OBAMA 08

Plouffe says… “[Clinton is] attempting to have superdelegates overturn the will of the Democratic voters…"

Got news for you, Plouffe. The superdelegates were not designed, nor are they obligated or even supposed to bend to the will of the people. They are of sound mind and should do what they think is best for the country. Superdelegates who hemm and haw depending on which way the political winds blow shouldn't be superdelegates in the first place.

So, Plouffe, it seems like you're trying to re-write the definition of superdelegate, or at minimum, change their role in this nominating process.

Would someone PLEASE tell me how it looks good for Clinton's camp to want to seat the delegates from MI and FL now? I know Obama's camp is getting criticism for wanting superdelegates to stand by their voters, but this is much, much worse to me…I mean, Obama wasn't even on the ballot in Michigan! Both candidates need to play by the rules. If the Dems want to hold primaries (again) in MI and FL (and if I were a voter there, I would hope they would,) then fine. Otherwise, it's a shame, but the party in those states should have followed the rules.

Just the Clinton campaign doing anything to take away from Obama's momentum. She's not winning now so apparently they have to go on with her notion of inheriting the presidency.

Vote for the person with the best ideas, not the best speechwriter.

Obama has become more of a rock star than a U.S. President.

Where are his specific plans and ideas that will help him come through on all the promises he's making?

How will he unite everybody and get people to work together on controversial issues when both sides have completely opposing views, like stem-cell research and global warming? He'll have to take a stand, upsetting one side.

But his 130 votes of Present in the Illinois state senate seemed to show that he'd rather not take a stand at the risk of upsetting some people. That doesn't show backbone.

Is that the type of President we're looking for?

How will the Bush mess be reversed without a President who's reluctant to take a side?

For Obama to succeed, he has to ignore Bill Clinton's legacy of desecrating the oval office with scandal after scandal.

If she loses to Obama, she can always go the Third Party route.

The More the Merrier.

The Florida / Michigan delegates should be seated. Those are voters too. It's a little undemocratic to say (o, we're going to look over your privledge to vote in this country). If Obama wins this nomination, people would look at it (He only won because Florida/Michigan were penalized. This wouldn't look good. But, if they were seated, and he still won. Then he could say that he had the support of all 50 states, instead of just 48. Just as Obama wants, the voters should choose the Democratic nominee, not the DNC. Seat the delegates.

I think Ickes backtracking on the seating of Florida/Michigan delegates is a sign of desperation. All the candidates agreed to abide with the DNC's decision to penalize the states for moving up their primaries. The blame for this mess goes to Florida's and Michigan's refusal to hold their primaries as directed by DNC. The DNC should be making this decision as the primaries are used to determine a NATIONAL Presidential nominee. What i liked about the GOP's handling of this issue is the penalty they imposed. They agreed to reduce the respective states penalty to 1/2 their original allotment of delegates. This alowed for the continuance of a meaningful primary as well as the ability for the candidates to campaign and yet penalize and seat some of those states delegates. The Dems have a major dilemma on their hands. It is hard to have some group disenfranchised with their redress. The primaries have essentially boiled down to the superdelegates. Which is another dilemma for the Dems. To date the superdelegates who have supported one of the candidates have not reflected the same desire or will of the people, as reflected by their pledged delegates process. YIKES!!! This disconnect will be a major source of problems for the Dems. What should be the criteria for the superdelegates. Most states won ? Most popular vote ? Most pledged delegates ? Whom they see as beating the GOP at the general election ? Whom would make the best Presidential candidate ? Other ? All of the above ? YIKES !!! What is equally disturbing is that some 800 superdelegates make up almost 20 % of the total delegates. YIKES !!! I like the idea of having a small group of Dem elder statespersons like Gore make the ultimate decision as opposed to this debaucle with 800 superdelegates. I dont think this current scenario was considered when the Dems instituted superdelegates in the early 80's. Florida and Michigan are a cluster (insert word here) and the superdelegates is proving to be undemocratic to their constituents they NEED…should we say it again ..another cluster **** makes one want to form a new party or go ' Independent '

Please read!

"Ickes voted last year to penalize Michigan and Florida — who moved their primary votes up in violation of party instructions — to seat their delegation at the party’s nominating convention this summer. On Saturday, he said both states’ delegations should be seated, and the results of those contests should stand. Hillary Clinton won the primaries in both Florida and Michigan, where she was the only major Democratic candidate to appear on the ballot".

Is this America of 2008? Are these people democrates? Wow! Big liars! Obama 2008

I wish the DNC has to scrap the system of Superdelegates. I'm a voter and I don't want any party to trash my vote.

There are two types of polticians: the self-serving, ambitious politician who uses the votes of simple minds to achieve power and the politician who empowers people to work together to achieve the best for the country: HRC embodies the first type and Sen. Obama the second one. DNC, what is the best for this country? The American people know it already, do you?

It is absolutely outrageous that Ickes is trying to change the rules in the middle of the game — especially rules that he voted for! If Clinton wins the nomination only by seating Florida and Michigan delegates that were not validly chosen according to party rules that she (and Ickes) supported last fall, a lot of D's like me are going to sit on their hands during the campaign. Don't these people have any integrity?

Thank you CNN for pointing out the hipocrasy in Mr. Ickes statement. He voted for penalizing Florida and Michigan last year but is now in favor of seating their delgates.

Two additional points for this article:

1. Obama and Edwards weren't even on the ballot in Michigan… Because ALL of the candidates agreed not to campaign there (and he kept his word).

2. Many people in Florida have reported that they did not show up to their primaries because many people didn't think the results would count for the Presidential election. Of the people who did vote, the voters who voted 1 month early selected Clinton, but polls showed that thos who voted within a month of the primary selected Obama. Why? Because that was after his wins in Iowa, his close call in NH and NV, and his landslide in SC.

Hindsight is always 20/20.

That's her advisor's job. Sounds good.

I jsut don't understand what leaders in democratic party is doing. I myself a democrat but I might vote for McCain if DNC shows that they don't go by rules. It looks like democrats are in primary forgetting that there is a general election in November. If Florida and Michigan votes considered in selecting the candidates as is , waht it shows is that whenever necessary democrats don't go by rules. Good point for McCain for November. Also if Florida and Michigan seated and their result decide the candidate for democrat, it shows that there is no use of being law abinding citizen. It is a slap for all the citizens who voted legally. Finally USA becomes a laughing stock in the world. because those whi did something wrong decides the presidential candidate for democrats. I think McCain will use this point as well. I am tired of this drama. It is OK for Florida and Michigan to have another vote. But not the one they had without major democratic candidate. ANYways it looks like Democrats going to be doomed if Clinton get nominated by considering michigan and florida votes. I guess rather than fighting for the rights of people who voted, democrats in Florida and Michigan should consider how to save the face of the party. I am pretty sure voters will not mind go again and cast their vote in a legal ballot.

I am so frustrated with the Clinton political machine. Obama is being forced to campaign against Hillary, Bill, and Chelsea, not to mention the republicans. I don't think Hillary can bring about change. She is just going to continue promote the same old partisan politics as usual. It's time for a change!

Even when she's screwing up all over the place, Clinton still manages to be annoyingly arrogant. Amazing. Doesn't she realize that no one except her still believes she is entitled to the presidency?

I agree that Michigan and Florida should play a role, Split their delgates evenly, this gives both candidates the oportunity to reach the magic number prior to the convention.

Gemini or bust! Keep climbing girl.

Just saw a video on CNN of Mrs. Clinton attempting to lead her audience in a chant of "Yes we will."

Sounds vaguely familiar.

Just saw a video on CNN of Mrs. Clinton attempting to lead her audience in a chant of "Yes we will."

Sounds vaguely familiar.

Miss Hillary, Puh-Leaseeee girl! Now you know very well that this democratic race will be over and done by next month! In addition to finding your voice, you should buy a clue.. or a vowel… or something! Have you ever heard of a reality check? It's kind of like a reality show.. except.. instead of checking out others, you check yourself before you wreck yourself! Love always, Shenehneh from Chappaqua

It is sad to see how desperate the Clintons and their supporters are getting. Last year everyone agrees to penalize Michigan and Flordia by not allowing their delegates to count and now that the Clintons are losing in the race and losing their support by the day, they now think the delegates in these two states should count. This is pathetic and hopefully everyone can see through this desperation.

Before making ant decision, Superdelegates must compare their stance with that of voters.

I am so tired of the Clintons…this is not a campaign to them but a coronation. By the way, why is cnn covering Bill Clinton so much…let's hear more from Michele Obama. My great concern from the Clintons is the role of Bill in the White House…ITS PRETTY BLEURY.

It is no good deal at all.

Suprise suprise. Now the Hillary staff is flip-flopping because their candidate is losing. The power-hungry Clintons will do anything to win, including destroying the Democratic party.

For the people of Texas and Ohio, I urge you to vote Obama to put an end to this potential, crippling effect the Clintons are performing.

Wow, she's determined. I cannot tell, however, if the determination stems from personal ambition or love of country. I will wager for the former.

What's up with this lame knock-off slogan "Yes We Will"? Is she kidding? She will stop at nothing and divide her own party in the process.

not so fast hillary!

Yeah, right!!!!

Um, Obama's name was on the Florida primary. I love how CNN tries to pretend that he removed his name from Michigan AND Florida. Nice way to misrepresent the facts…

Ha ha! Good one Harold!! That was tooo funny! The race is going to be over March 4th when Obama wins Texas AND Ohio. You heard it here first folks.

Thanks for the laugh though, Harold. Good stuff.

"Ickes voted last year to penalize Michigan and Florida". So the now they are losing want to change the rules. Billary being Billary. Bush=Billary.

Ickes is on crack. He is one double talking mofo.

How can Ickes vote to strip the delegates from Michigan and Florida before the primary season began, and now say he wants them to be seated?

I smell day old, rotten fish.

So, according to Ickes, Hillary will win it with superdelegates, and the number of states that Obama wins is irrelevent. I think the Republicans are hoping that both Ickes and Bill Clinton keep talking ! In fact, please do not shut-up ! You would appear to be the gifts that keep giving … to McCain !

The PEOPLE will nail it down. Whether the PEOPLE decide if its Clinton or Obama, the PEOPLE will decide who nails it down.

Obama wants to call this election now because he is falling out of the protective hands of the Care Bears Inc" that have been trying to hype up a man we know little about. It's like he just one day fell out of the air and into a Presidential race. As far as Florida, he ran ads on tv , he took over $3 million worth of campaign money out of Florida. How dare he not want the voices of millions in Florida heard. He also got over $800,000 campaign money from Michigan. They are citizens of the USA , they went out and voted and their voice should be heard. These two states votes were more appropriate than caucus votes. Florida and Michigan are as much America as any of the other states, count them .

I am horified by Ickes' shamelessness in asking for Michigan and Florida to be seated when he once voted to disallow them. Just because it is now Hillary that needs them, he has totally thrown all sense of fairness to the winds and flipped his opinion.

I hope voters will speak for a new dawn in politics and reject such dishonesty by people like Ickes

Lemme see… she lost the last eight caucuses and primaries and is all but certain to lose the next two on Tuesday. Her lead in Texas is evaporating and may in fact already have been reversed and this guys is talking about wrapping it up for her? What is he smoking?

Mr Ickes, that's clear hypocrisy my man.

I am outraged by the Clinton campaign's advocacy of including election results from Michigan and Florida. Senator Clinton's desire to win has blinded her to fairness, party rules, her former commitments, or party health.

As a committed Democrat, I believe that each candidate should wage as competitive and aggressive campaign as possible. However, I expect that to be done with integrity and fairness. It seem to me that the Clinton campaign is willing to risk irreparably damaging the party, if it will get her the nomination. My sense is that should Hilliary Clinton loose the nomination, she will run as an independent. I am starting to worry that her goals no longer conform to those of the democratic Party.

First it was Super Tuesday, and it would be done. Then it was March 4 and it would be done…now it won't be done till June? So let me get this straight…Ickes votes against seating the delegates last year, but now when his candidate has to have those delegates to win, he thinks they should count?…and wasn't it only yesterday that Hillary said that the votes from the caucuses didn't really represent the voice of the people? You would think that these supposedly intelligent folks would know that the public can see through such flagrant hypocracy, wouldn't you?

"Ickes voted last year to penalize Michigan and Florida — who moved their primary votes up in violation of party instructions — to seat their delegation at the party’s nominating convention this summer. On Saturday, he said both states’ delegations should be seated, and the results of those contests should stand. "

SAME OLD POLITICS…

Be careful Hillary, I think I read where Obama is trying to buy superdelegates. IS THAT FAIR?
I hope you win Hillary or I will vote for McCain.

of course he wants them seated! she will get the lead! IF SHE GETS THE NOMINATION WE WILL ALL KNOW DEMOCRACY IS DEAD!

Hillary 08 - she represents the American that makes sense.

Hillary and the Clinton campaign are delusional. They have no idea what kind of a beating they are in for next month.
Keeping smoking that good stuff Hill & try to inhale as deep as possible.

Obama 08’

Why does CNN keep all of my comments in moderation? Is it because I am a Hillary supporter? Many Hillary supporters notice this, what is with it?

I keep looking at the number of pledged delegates up for grabs. With the lead in pledged delegates that Obama has, she's going to have to pull off a miracle to catch up. The 60-40 split in New Jersey only gave her 15 more delegates than it gave him, and that was one of the largest states. He's ahead by 124 pledged delegates right now. That's a very substantial lead.

Right!! Hey, Hillary, just stay tough, focused, and forge ahead with your real message of change and hope. We're counting on you and backing you up all the way to the White House. (Barack and Michelle may have coronated themselves just a bit prematurely, don't y'all think?)

First Ickes said the Florida and Michigan delegates should not be seated, and then after Hillary has lost 8 in a row he things they should count…

do-anything-say-anything tactics
come on… same old politics

OBAMA 08!

Well, isn't that more of the same? As a voter in one of the states that has its primary in June, we'll be working our tails off to insure that she gets NONE of our pledged delegates. The closer to Denver this gets, the WORSE not better this will get for her.

All this statement says, is "We'll run this to the end if it destroys the party." Well, Hillary, bring it on.

My guess: if the candidates had been allowed to campaign, it would have been Hillary up 10% in Florida, and Obama up 15% in Michigan.

So, it would still be a tie.

yeah….OK. Hillary's reaching again…

Hillary Clinton is so wrong and underhanded to try to the delegates to overturn their first decision. They knew the rules from the beginning and it should be followed to the end. I know she wants to be the one chosen to run for President, but she wants to break the rules to do it. What is she going to do if she is President and how can we trust her?

In the previous article, Bill was trying to make the case that Obama is ignoring HIS legacy. I thought Hillary was running on her own merits. She SAID that she was running on her own merits and that we the voters should decide based on those. Can someone please explain to me how she can do that while taking credit for what Bill did?

And if it is the case that she can take credit for his presidency, doesn't it also follow that she should take credit for his failures as president as well? This is just crazy. You can't have it both ways.

Obama was right on the mark. Which Clinton is he running against?

Oh yeah, it'll be over in June. It just won't be the result they've been hoping for. By the way, this comment — by "one of Hillary Clinton’s senior advisers" — perfectly illustrates the arrogance of the Clinton campaign.

Texans are opposed to the Trans Texas Corridor by a landslide. CNN needs to ask Obama and Clinton why the Governor of Texas does not listen to Texans on the Trans-Texas Corridor. Both parties' platforms are opposed to it, and independents are universally opposed.

Harold Ickes has about as much credibilty as Hugo Chavez in our country. I guess Clintons will hire the slime of the earth to help run their campaign. He voted for the delegates to be withdrawn from Florida but now that it could benefit him, he flips flops. This is why Clinton is getting trounced. It's all about integrity which they lack in spades.

I do not know who the primary winner will be but I will admit this process has been undemocratic, a sham and a shame. The DEm. nominee should be chosen by Democrats only in closed primaries. We should not have independents or republicans making the choice. Also, how do you disenfranchise millions of people in Florida and mIchigan whose votes we need in the General Election? And to top it off, the MSM has had a very negative and deceptive role in all of this. Howard Dean and Donna Brazile should be fired for destroying the party and ennabling and encouraging the MSM in bashing our democratic candidates.

I wonder what it's like to live in Hillaryland? Is Santa a super delegate?

These people are so out of touch with reality that they just don't get it. One of the reasons the American people are draw to Barack Obama is because we are so tired of the politics or personal distruction tactics that have dominated the Bush/Clinton era. The say anything, pander to everyone, do anything attitude of both families and their supporters needs to end - this Country is not supposed to be a monarchy run by two families and their court jesters like Karl Rove and Harold Ickes for over 30 years.

Real democracy is when the people speak and not politicians. Desperation seems to be setting into the Clinton camp.

" Yes we can" "Yes we HOPE we can" It's all smoke and mirrors Barack.

I agree that the race will be over by June because Obama is now locked into a couple of debates with Hillary and he can't beat her with his one liners. A month ago he was likened to Martin Luther King, a few weeks ago he became Kennedy like according to Caroline Kennedy. Last week a local black radio station said he was Jesus like. Well if thats the case , maybe by time he has to debate he can walk on water.
Lisa
NC

What about the voters who did not vote as they believed that the DNC would follow the rules and that the delegates would not count coupled with the fact, after agreeing with the ruling, Hillary Clinton advertised prior to the election that she would have the delegates seated and would be having a rally after the polls closed. This resulted in a very strong Clinton turnout in the final hours of voting.

A nominee in a democracy, a form of gov't based on rules, should win fairly and following the rules he or she agreed to. Who really wants a nominee who "slimes" her/his way onto office?

Nice try Mr. Ickes, but the American people are speaking. Apparently you have not been listening. 8 in a row.

Why would I vote for someone who cannot even run their campaign effectively to run the country???

Well, if Mr. Ickes is so confident, then I should console myself with being forced to vote for John McCain

Clintons the only way you can win now is if you cheat. You are good at that. Americans who vote-wake up! They can't run a quality campaign. You expect better results with the Nation? That is too much of a risk.
dogshowkris
Rancho Murieta,CA

What is wrong with Mr. Ickes , He voted last year to penalize Michigan and Florida and now he want to change the rule. Is this not the kind of washington politics that Mr Obama is talking about?

Hillary's , advisers are incorrect . the race is actually over now ,the more she opens her mouth the deeper she digs her own grave . One lie after another , reminds us of the year's she and her husband were in the White House . She has been trained by Bill too lie, deceive , cheat, squander ,and put a spin on any truth she does not like .
We are tired of all they're crap. It's really time for change ,something NEW , totally remove the old political machines starting fresh with new younger , and fresh ideas politicians .

If the DNC hands Clinton the delegates from Florida and Michigan, and does not go with the will of the people, I for one will never vote for another Democratic… If they do not give it too Obama based on votes he has won, then I pray Obama will run as an Independant for the office. I know I will write his name in for the November vote, and I hope many others feel the same way…. So Mr. Dean should remember the American voters, we are watching this carefully…..

If she "nails" it by June that will make my decision real easy in November! McCain as the lesser of two evils.

Obama is talking out of both ends of his mouth on superdelegates. He does not want them to trump the will of the voters. But… he wants to keep those superdelegates who support him in areas voting for Clinton (like Senators Kennedy and Kerry). What will he do when Hillary has more people who voted for her. My guess is he will tell people to ignore the will of the voters and vote based on the number of states he won. Hillary has been consistent on the superdelegates from day one. I know that is hard for Clinton haters to take, but it is true. I am still voting for SOLUTIONS.

Any right thinking superdeligate ought to vote the popular choice of the people. It will be endangering the chance of having democrat in whitehouse if superdelegates vote against the popular choice of people who will vote to determine who wins the presidency. Superdelegates should know that general election does not make them super. Being super is limited to the primaries alone.

Obama 08.

No Ickes,
June is too far. Once Texas, Ohio and Pennsylvania say no to Hillary and Bill like it was done in DC, Virginia, Maryland etc there will be nothing much left of her…hang in there!

Is Ickes,a superdelegate and Hillary backer, indirectly telling us Hillary is going to win regardless what the majority of democrats want?
He voted to eliminate Florida and Michigan, and now he insists their delegates should be counted.
Don't you think it strange, Hillary was the only candidate on the ballot.?
Did she know before hand this under handed ploy was to be played?
Maaybe she did, and maybe not, but it looks very very suspicious!!!!!!!!!!
The other candidates took the dnc at their word. Now democrats can't even trust democrats.

Excuse me but Obama's name was on the Florida State Ballot. The race is not over yet. Chill out Obama

Obama has some of the rudest supporters I have ever seen. I never heard of a woman being attacked and lied on like they have Hillary. You better not count your chickens before they hatch. You haven't won yet.

Every time the Clinton campaign tries these old win by any means necessary tactics it weighs heavily on the voters like a pile of crap over and over again… same old politics and same old tricks. We already saw this movie and we knows how it ends.

It's time to turn the page.

a shining example of hillary's campaign hypocrisy. voting to penalize florida and michigan last year, and now suddenly begging those states to seat the disputed delegates. obama will take her and her cronies to the cleaners.

Hilary is actually very weak even thru all her pretense, she can never win anything on her own merit instead of always putting someone down.

Yeah, that's what Giuliani said…..

Not so fast. I wouldn't be so cocky. This is the same campaign that planned on having the nom by Super Tuesday. Also, just in case you haven't noticed your girl is trialing in Texas by six. Last I check Texas was a must win. If anything Obama will have this wrapped up by March 5th. Obama has ran a well organized campaign and Clinton has done just the opposite. But who knows? She may just pull out a win in Texas. If she wins Texas, Pa. and Ohio then she probably will be the nom. But first she has to win Texas.

A Stronger America '08

Clinton will not do a "George Bush" on Democrats and steal the election via FLORIDA !

Democrats will not stand for it!

Plus, now that she is leaving Wisconsin early (before the vote) it looks like her MATH is telling her she is gonna loose that state, too!

Hallo.

I'm a woman from Norway, Oslo, and following the Clinton-campaign from here.
We in Norway follow the USA election 2008, and are devided in who should run for President. But the politicians in the House of Representatives are mostly for Hillary Clinton. And So am I.

Hillary Clinton for presidency.

Best regards

Marianne Selnes
Oslo, Norway.

Flat wrong CNN… I expect a correction and will be watching,

"Hillary Clinton won the primaries in both Florida and Michigan, where she was the only major Democratic candidate to appear on the ballot."

In fact, in Florida where I live they all appeared on the ballot and she won by a lot. Only in Michigan were the other names removed from the ballot and that was by the canbdidtates own choice.

Florida had record tuen out and I want my vote to count…Beware alientaing Floridians in the general.

I love when people delay the inevitable.

I sure hope so..
Our country doesn't have time to "train" a rookie politician.
With Iran, China, Russia, and the whole middle eastern problems we will need an experienced politician at the helm.
One who can handle foreign as well as domestic issues, and I can think of no one more qualified than Hillary Clinton….
People think she is cold and calculating……Well, good !!! If that is what she is then she will make a good president.

Oh yeah….

Umm, I think it will be much sooner than that if she keeps it up!

You gotta be kidding me. She's losing ground every day with the voters, Obama's cutting into her base, and her money train left the station without her. Trying to change the election narrative with this talk about June is just silly. She keeps pushing back the date when she becomes competitive again, without acknowledging that she can't possibly catch up now! Come on, let it go with some dignity, Hillary. And please don't try to take the entire Democratic Party down with you, kicking and screaming.

Obama '08

Please don't make incorrect statements. Obama and Edwards were also on the BALLOT in FLORIDA. I should know. I voted.

I'll never vote for another Democrat again, if Sen. Clinton tries to steal the election.

If Hillary tries to win this nomination by overturning the peoples will, she will destroy the democratic party. I'm not sure about her tactics lately and I wish she would release her tax returns.

More arrogance from an incompetant campaign. How do you lose a 20 - 40 % lead? Well, you ignore caucus states, then you alienate the voters, you ignore a few of the smaller states, then you make blunder after blunder in the word wars, and to top it off, when you take a hit in Iowa, you take 8 weeks to start to pull it together, maybe.

You know… it would take the demographics of a Hillary voter to actually vote for Hillary. (let it sit a while, it'll come to you).

If they allow the current results from Florida and Michigan to stand, I will lose all faith in the political process and move to France.

I thought the nomination was suppose to be locked up on Super Tuesday for Billary. We keep hearing this thing about FL and MI delegates. The deal is their delegates will not be seated PERIOD. Hillary can't claim anything because all she won was a big fat zero. Now if the Dems want to lose the GE, try to sit those canidates and steal this from Obama. You will lose every Obama voter…and that's a fact. Every Anybody But Clinton will come out….and the Dems will lose tne GE. Yu need to open your eyes and understand what's real.

Clinton's camp really needs to close their pie holes and try to start taking a higher road. I was an Edwards supporter, and after his decision to quit the race, I liked Clinton and Obama equally. With all of the sniping coming from Clinton's advisors and campaign, however, it has inspired me to look closer at Obama and I can honestly say he now has my vote in the primaries (and I just bought an Obama T-shirt to seal the deal). What the Clinton campaign will successfully accomplish is cause a sharp agitation between the supporters of the two candidates–when what we really need to do is chose who will represent us the best and not begin taking sides like this was a high school squabble. I am a registered, tried and true Democrat, but I swear, this backbiting is proving the Republicans right about us, and that is making me sick. Ickes just exemplifies why we need to abolish super delegates altogether; that system is subversive.

All of the Clinton mouthpieces including themselves are talking a lot of hot air. Threats, promises, slander, it's Bush all over again. Really, is this what we want for the next 4 years?

Please get some fresh air from these tired wind bags.

More games by the Clinton campaign.

Another indication of the Clinton machine going down hill: talking glibberish!!!

The Clinton campaign will get those FL and MI delegates at their peril. That is the most outrageous tactic to win an election ever–sickening.

Sure, let's just skip the primaries and the general election and hand over the Presidency to Hillary. We can't wait for socialized health care. I'm really scared that she will take the best health care system in the world and reduce it to a third world joke that will end up costing trillions.

You go girl, Fight like hell and show that racist for what he is, full of hot air. For some reason he thinks the whole worlds needs to be inspired . No Thanks, I am not voting on a President , to inspire me. I am looking for a President that has a brain with some experence and that would not be Obama. Bush was enought , but everyone thought he was the best candidate to have a beer with, Thats how some idoits pick Presidents. I hope the Democrats are smarter than those stupid Republicans. Look at our country. They also cheated to get there, shame on them. Maybe It will come back to haunt them.

Hillary or McCain

Now this is truly sad, reminiscent of the year 2000 debacle. Florida and Michigan should never have been stripped of their delegates in the first place. And for Hillary and her crew to flip flop at this stage shows an overwhelming lack of integrity. And considering no actual campaigning was done by other candidates, the only solution would be to allow campaigning now-not automatically award Hillary anything-and then ensure that these two crucial states' voters are not overlooked and their votes counted.

Ickes — another flip-flopping Clintonite.

This surely reminds me of Africa. The Clintons honestly are not honorable loosers. They spin everything just for the greed of power. I used to think they call Nelson Mandela their hero. Mandela spent one term (4 years) in power and decided not to run for second term. Bilary has spent 8 years in power. They should just "CHILL"

This is nothing more than an arrogant attempt to ignore the vote of the people which is not going to fly. Obama urges all his supporters there is still more work to be done before he claims the nomination which certainly is in contrast to Hillary. Again, the Clintons prove themselves untrustworthy and will do and say the unspeakable as it fits them. Vote Obama, the peoples choice.

Clinton's camp is applying all its forces, real and symbolic, to get the nomination. But her nomination will be the end of the democratic party since M. Bloomberg will attract Obama's voters to his bid.

No, it will be over soon than that. YES WE CAN! Obama '08

Ickes voted to penalize Michigan and Florida, now wants to change his vote. What has happened to democracy? How can he even admit to this?
The Clintons ignored the caucus states because it is too difficult to arrange voter fraud when every vote is represented by a voter who can be seen and counted by everyone in attendance.

The attempt to seat the Michigan and Florida delegates after EVERYONE, including Hillary Clinton, agreed that these two states should be penalized for violating party instructions, is a sure sign of desperation by the Clinton campaign. Always trying to change the playing the rules. Shameful.

Talk is cheap. That's a bold statement by the Clinton campaign represented by Harold Ickes that they will be ahead in delegates by June 7 by counting super delegates. The only way he could know super delegates will give Hillary their support is through some underhanded activity. To all the people sending in your hard earned money to this campaign just be aware that it could be going to super delegates.
More of the same Washington politics.

I probably won't get my comment posted because of your bias, but I have watched Ballot Bowl and I am sick to my stomach of your coverage of Barack Hussein Obama and so little of Hillary Clinton. You did a piece about sexism and racism. You don't mind being sexist but please don't let yourself be even slightly hinted of being racist. What is your problem CNN. By the way Jack Cafferty remilnds me of a fingernail rubbing across a blackboard spewing venom out both sides of his mouth. He needs to invest in a smart looking toupee. He's following Obama too closely.

Obama sent out an email encouraging supporters to email superdelegates with their "stories". Superdelegates are legitimate delegates! Shame on you Nancy Pelosi for saying they shoud vote with their states. That says that the most important thing is for the elected members of the superdelegation to get reelected, not to do the right thing. Hillary can win the swing states, Obama cannot. Hasn't anyone heard of the electoral college?

Error in the article" Obama was on the Florida ballot.

Same cast of characters that we do not need back in the White House…Ickes, Clintons and all the baggage from the past.

Americans need a change that we can believe in and that Sen. Obama. We are so tired of the bi-partisan gridlock that is part of the Clinton's legacy which they are now fighting so hard to bring back.

America wants a change that is why 23/50 states have favored Obama's message!
Hillary is running for president of the Traditionally Blue Democratic States o America and for president of the Superdelegates.

Obama for president of the UNITED States of America and for the PEOPLE!!!

America, thank you, continue to TURN THE PAGE!!

Ickes admits to taking states for granted by not paying attention to them. Just like they took Wisconsin for granted by going directly to Texas after the Potomac primaries.

They've mismanaged over $100 million in donations to where she had to loan her campaign $5 million. She's asked for the resignations of her campaign manager and her deputy.

Now Bilary is trying to steal the election through the superdelegates. We won't allow his to happen. There will be an uprising and outcry if Obama does'nt get the nomination. The Clinton Machine will try to win at all costs, They'd rather see a Republican win if Hilary is not the nominee.

OBAMA IN 08!!!!

Now they declare themselves are Winners ? Wow Shouldnt the public make a choice ? It sounds to me like they are trying to bribe !

Ummmm, ok. If you say so. I think Obama and the voters will have something to say about that however.

I"m a fair minded democrat with a little yelllow dog, who considers most republicans as delusional sheep will be extremely upset if the Clintons win the nomination unfairly.

If that happens, John McCain will get my vote.

Didn't her advisers also tell us she was going to win Maine for sure?

Sound like wishful thinking to me and wanting it both ways, naturally Mr. Ickes flip- flop on seating of deligates from Michigan and Flordia comes as no surprise to anyone, after all he was a member of Bill Clinton's white house and one of the few who hasn't yet abandon ship.

As Pat Buchan says, Barack would never get away with all this "mushy stuff" in the general election if he became the nominee. Also, new stats give Hillary the edge in the general election swing states.

It isn't over people. Hillary, the best candidate for president, will win inspite of media bias and obamamania. Hillary has what it takes to work across the aisle to get things done. Vote for solutions over syrupy rhetoric!

Hillary the HOPE of 08

As Pat Buchanan says, Barack would never get away with all this "mushy stuff" in the general election if he became the nominee. Also, new stats give Hillary the edge in the general election swing states.

It isn't over people. Hillary, the best candidate for president, will win inspite of media bias and obamamania. Hillary has what it takes to work across the aisle to get things done. Vote for solutions over syrupy rhetoric!

Hillary the HOPE of 08

Oh groan. The Clinton's want this to go on and on until they find the right mix of lies and distortion to destroy the one political inspiration this country hasn't seen in ages and probably won't again any time soon. How admirable is that? If the Clintons destroy Sen. Obama, this registered Democrat becomes an Independent and will NOT transfer my Obama vote to Clinton.

The more I see and read of these people the more disgusted I get and I hope alot of other Americans are becoming as fed up too. Their greed for power is nauseating.

Whoever has the most pledged delegates should receive the nomination. Period. Anything else is a BETRAYAL.

That Hillary Clinton is *ON THE RECORD* in Iowa stating that Michigan and Florida should *NOT* count. That she and MANY of her superdelegate friends supported the DNC policies and decision at the time…yet now have a change of heart due to circumstances that do not benefit them is just another example of how utterly devoid of integrity they are.

Also…it's becoming increasing challenging for me to consider myself a democrat. The party is revealing its "darkside". If Hillary wins the most pledged delegates…then she deserves the nomination. If she does not EARN the most pledged delegates, she does not. It really *is* that simple. If the DNC allows this nomination to be *stolen*, I will abandon the democratic party. Forever.

If Clinton wins solely on the Super delegate count, I will vote for McCain. I don't think the Democrats realize what harm they are going to cause if the popular vote goes to Obama yet they choose Clinton based on her "Insider" status. Lets hear it for another 4 years of Rebulican Rule!!!!!
sigh………..

This disgusts me

Now that Clinton is losing she wants to get Michigan and Florida counted. She more or less cheated in those primaries. People who wanted to vote for Obama didn't get the chance to because his name wasn't on the ballot.

Those states should remain as they are, with their delegates not counting.

She also wants the superdelegates to vote for what is best for the party. This boggles my mind, she may as well say that they should ignore what the people wanted and vote for her.

Think people, if she is willing to cast aside the popular vote and take the candidacy based on the decision of the superdelegates, do you really want her running this country?

She is slapping democracy in the face.

Hillary seems to think that "changing" the rules to suit her is fair, after the Democratic Party agreed NOT to count certain states and considering that she ignored the party and still remained on the ballot, the "only" one on the ballot, the only person who campaigned, she now wants to change the rules, this is dishonest and divisive, seems to be typical of both she and her husband. She thinks she can win by deceipt and cheating. She'll say or do anything to get elected, doesn't say much for her character.

The agreement to not campaign in those states was broken, so why should Florida and Michigan count or be seated?

The shootings at NIU are certainly tragic, but they helped remind us of the gun control issue. Both Clinton and Obama disappointed me because neither said gun control is a crucial issue. Clinton said that gun control can be dealt with federally, very soon after she criticized Obama for saying can rather than will, on another issue. Obama said local governments can handle the problem. In other words, both of them are backing off from the NRA and its supporters. I doubt that McCain would do otherwise.

Yea, a nominee will be chosen by June.. maybe even May but it will not be Hillary.. Dream on Hillary camp..

DNC members,

Go ahead and play around if you like. Rules are in place for a reason and if it's a game you want a game it will be. I am a voter and I know I would rather believe that the DNC has some sense of integrity. This thing will blow up and the Republicans will end up back in the White House. I will not vote for any candidate that breaks rules………..

I have to ask again. Does the Obama campaign really, truly believe that it is a good idea to completely sideline Michigan and Florida? This can not be good. And lets hold off on all the talk about Clinton trying to steal the election with superdelegates til all the states have voted, ok? Then we can figure out where it all stands and look at the issue without pretending to know the outcome ahead of time. Thanks.

I thought the race was going to be over on feb 5th? Now we have a new deadline? Also, my understanding was that Hilary will be ready on DAY 1, but she has not even been able to efficiently manage her campaign, and has made numerous miscalculations since it stated. Is this the person we want to lead the country for the next four years? All we have gotten from her are excuses as to her vote for the war, why her campaign almost derailed etc.

I think Hilary's arogance, and lack of foresight, added with her poor management and organizational styles, resulted in her current situation. The country needs a new direction.

The race will be over on march 4 .
Obama will surprise all the clintons and sweep again.
clintons=NAFTA.

Looks to me that this is a new way to make sure one obtains the nomination in spite of how the polulace votes; one obtains consultants before hand (on your campaign payroll); those consultants are made superdelegates; ergo, even if the populace votes for another nominee unanimously, all you do is call on those superdelegates to whom you have given a job and made big promises, and you obtain the nomination.

So much for the Democratic Party…..looks like the 2 party system is on it's way out….this will probably be the last year for this.

"We the people"…….are no longer satisfied by greed………

A desperate attempt by the Clinton campaign to sway voters their way.

Does the Clinton camp know something we dont….We better watch out….

Clinton politics continue.

KEEP DREAMING HILLARY ADVISORS!!!!!!!!

A desperate attempt by the Clinton camp to sway voters their way.

First Hillary steals Baracks"Time for Change" now I just see that she has stolen Baracks "Yes we can" slogan for " Yes we will"

Remember that to copy someones elses stuff is the best form of flattery .

Glad you finally admit Barack is BETTER–GO BARACK

Why dont you just pack it in Hilly

We can only hope that Ickes is right! Go Hillary Go!

Go Hillary !!!!

I truly cannot fathom why anyone would want to support a campaign that utilizes tactics such as ones the Clinton campaign are using now. This article clearly states that everyone agreed to penalize states that didn’t obey the party rules. To me, this is an open and shut case. We shouldn’t even be speaking about this now. We are witnessing that Clinton will do anything in her power to win. These are the calculating and devious tactics that draw many supporters away from her. This is why educated individuals know they cannot trust her. This clearly shows a lack of integrity. All this Superdelegate and reinstatement talk sickens me. I truly hope that the voters in the future primaries are noticing this.

Isaac Paul

Sure, thats what I heard after Super Tuesday. Sounds like more of the same.

This is a joke!!!!

Say YES to a balanced budget. Say yes to Hillary!

I wonder how many men chelsea had had. Ooops, like father like daughter or is she a lesbian like mom? Fair question!!!!

Wow, can't get more dirty than that. Are people truly falling for Hillary's lies and flip-flops? It's getting really ugly.

It just shows that the clintons will do anything including pimping their daughter into the political arena to acheive their selfish and moronic ambition

Hillary & Bill, Thanks for the previous years, lessons learned, NO More Debate (heard enough), Don't care for the $9.50 "Chicken Bucket" SPECIAL !!! It's a new day with new ideas, and time for CHANGE !!!

I smell a November defeat for the Democrats.

Win by hook or crook, right, Mr. Icky?

Gosh, isn't that what they said would happen February 5? Politics as usual!

America will not allow the media, including Oprah Winfrey decide on who we should vote for. We didn't buy Milli Vanilli and James Frey and we want fall for a empty suit no matter how much the media would like it.

HRC and company are showing the height of desparation one can probably show to win this nomination. ..they are doing whatever it takes…negative ads..accusations..not respecting Mr.Clinton's legacy and so on….
HRC is accusing Obama of not participating in debates and suggesting Wisconsin deserves better…this shows she says anything to win….its Obama who is in Wisconsin for last 4 days and she is in Texas and Ohio…
Give me a break!!……..even a blind and deaf can tell here who is ignoring Wisconsin….its Mrs Clinton who is steping into Wisconsin today only that shows how much she is for Wisconson.
Wisconsin….its time to act and decide who speaks and who does things…..
Its her who is speaking from texas and Obama who is doing things in Madison, Milwakee, Greenbay…..
By the way whats with the boxing gloves ?? she was showing in Texas…
Looks like she is here for real boxing match…sign of a loser!!

Go Obama 08!!

So when Hillary started her campaign by declaring herself the "inevitable" democratic candidate, and then said that the nomination would clearly be hers by February 6, 2008, that isn't considered a "rush to judgement"?

That's right - watch for it!! A SOLUTION REVOLUTION is coming your way soon.

GO HILLARY!

The primary race is over now, and the general is too. The only issue is who to blame for throwing away a slam dunk victory. Maybe it's the voters who support candidates with hopelessly unrealistic agendas like Hillary and Obama.

wrongggggggggggggggggggggg. She is stealing slogans. Stealing styles. Stealing signature lines. How phony can this woman be?

being ignorant and too proud is too bad. Did she not think the race would be over by super tuesday…. Give me a freaking break.

I think Hllary's campaign seems so scatterbrained…its all over the place. As much as I wanted to stay neutral, I have to admit, im leaning Obama…I think they are both very intelligent but Hillary seems remarkably uninspiring and I dont think she can bring people together…

I find the whole argument about seating Florida and Michigan delegates very disturbing. This has the potential to divide the democratic party.

And I also will predict that the presidential race will be over in November.

Its a sign of a desperate campaign who is willing to say and do whatever it takes to win the nomination.
Hilaryy: Whats with the boxing gloves in Texas??
Sore loser !!

That second-to-last paragraph shows Ickes is a blatant hypocrite, plain and simple.