February 16, 2008
Posted: 05:22 PM ET

(CNN) — One of Hillary Clinton’s senior advisers said Saturday on a conference call with reporters that the New York senator would have the nomination “nail(ed) down” after primary season voting ends in June, when Puerto Rico weighs in.

“At or about, certainly shortly after, the seventh of June, Hillary’s going to nail down this nomination. She’s going to have a majority of the delegates,” Harold Ickes said, thanks to a combination of pledged delegates awarded through primary and caucus votes, and superdelegates – Democratic elected officials and party leaders who are free to choose any candidate they wish. Ickes is himself a superdelegate.

Obama campaign manager David Plouffe immediately responded to Ickes, saying in a statement the Clinton campaign was “attempting to have superdelegates overturn the will of the Democratic voters, or change the rules they agreed to at the 11th hour in order to seat non-existent delegates from Florida and Michigan.

“The Clinton campaign should focus on winning pledged delegates as a result of elections, not these say-or-do-anything-to-win tactics that could undermine Democrats’ ability to win the general election,” said Plouffe.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi told a Bloomberg interviewer Friday that voter preferences and primary results should play a part in how superdelegates made their decision. DNC Chair Howard Dean later sent a memo to Talking Points Memo in which he said that “their role is to exercise their best judgment” of what is best for the party, but did not mention the pledged delegate result as a critical deciding factor.

Ickes – a Democratic National Committee member and Bill Clinton’s former White House deputy chief of staff — told reporters that neither of the Democratic White House hopefuls is close to winning the nomination, and that Obama was trying to prematurely call the primary season to a close.

“I understand Sen. Obama wants to rush to judgment on this deal and cut this thing down. You know, he’d like to be nominated right now. But there are a lot of delegates yet to be selected,” he said, pointing out that 18 states and territories have yet to vote this primary season.

Ickes voted last year to penalize Michigan and Florida — who moved their primary votes up in violation of party instructions — to seat their delegation at the party’s nominating convention this summer. On Saturday, he said both states’ delegations should be seated, and the results of those contests should stand. Hillary Clinton won the primaries in Florida and in Michigan, where she was the only major Democratic candidate to appear on the ballot.

He also said the Clinton campaign should have paid more attention to caucus states, where Obama has done very well this year — an observation that has been made by other Clinton staffers in recent calls.

–CNN Associate Political Editor Rebecca Sinderbrand

Filed under: Hillary Clinton


Latina from Texas   February 16th, 2008 10:48 pm ET

I think they realize that they can't win the pledged delegates, so they're going to have to win by Super delegates and/or try to get the Florida & MI votes. How undemocratic and what a stupid system we have!

Imani de la Perez, Brooklyn , New York   February 16th, 2008 10:35 pm ET

Clinton said it would be over in February 5th too. She wants to seat the delegations from Michigan and Florida too but they did not abide by the rules.

There are questions with stolen votes in NY… where neigborhoods that support Obama.. and he did not receive one vote…The NY Times report that both candidates' legal teams are investigating same. Obviously, there are more votes for him which affect the delegate count.

In New Mexico, there were some votes left at somebody's house BEFORE the count… and what a surprise Clinton wins by 1,000 after Richardson spends the superbowl with Bill.

Kuchinich has sued in NH about a distorted volte in favor of Clinton.

Why is there a cloud of doubt around so many of her "wins".?

Imani de la Perez

Obama '08.. Now is the time, he is the one!

Charles   February 16th, 2008 10:21 pm ET

It's sickening to entertain the possibility of Super delegates turning the tide on the nominee that won the pledged delegate vote. Both of our Democratic Candidates are very capable; but Obama has lived up to his claim as being the most electable, whereas Hillary has not. The Super Delegates should back the leader of pledged delegates on this one, it’s just right!

Michael   February 16th, 2008 10:19 pm ET

Mdm. Clinton is starting to leave a bad taste in my mouth. I've re-evaulated my support of her after the South Carolina debacle and come to the conclusion that Barack Obams is the better candidate.

Corinna   February 16th, 2008 10:13 pm ET

Please if the Clinton's steal this election by cheating their way, back room talking there way to the nomination the Democratic Party will self implode, horrible to imagine …….

Gavin M   February 16th, 2008 10:12 pm ET

….yes, and Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton will be our nominee and go on to win the Presidency !!!!

…so saint obama and his bizarre slogan-candidacy…. Ohio, Penn, Texas, Wisc….ALL KNOW WE NEED SOLUTIONS —Not another speech!

CLINTON 2008 !!!! Vote and support Hillary – America is with you.

Ernie   February 16th, 2008 10:07 pm ET

Whistlin' in the dark.

Val   February 16th, 2008 10:04 pm ET

I am completely appalled that some would actually consider changing what was already voted on regarding the delages in Florida and Michican. As a Florida resident, all of the local as well as national media hype leading up to our state's primary was about the Republican contest. It was almost as if there was NO Democratic Primary. Among my friends and peers, I only know one person that voted for a Democrat simply because the thought among so many was that this vote would not count, so why bother? Now I will be absolutely infuriated if the DNC unethically considers trying to change the rules after they've been set. Hillary's camp talks about voters in these two states being disenfranchised if their votes can't be counted. She's a smart enough woman to know that all of the people who were told their vote would NOT count would indeed be the disenfranchised.

Robb, New York   February 16th, 2008 10:02 pm ET

Yeah, the race will be over in June, and God willing Barack will have the nomination, not Has-Been Hillary. And if that were the case, I would sincerely hope that the Clinton faction would accept the will of Democratic voters nationwide and step aside without having superdelegates force-feed us a Clinton ticket or make other attempts to change the rules of the game for their own benefit. She should either be a winner or a loser, but never a sore loser.

CJ   February 16th, 2008 9:56 pm ET

I hope so. I support her, and I don't want a messy convention. The super delegates should do what they want to do.

kent   February 16th, 2008 9:56 pm ET

Never mind the distance- just go away

mike   February 16th, 2008 9:53 pm ET

hmmm, first it was Feb 5th, then March 4th and now June.
HRC bid for the presidency is dying slowly but surely

Jason   February 16th, 2008 9:53 pm ET

It's amazing that Ickes all of a sudden wants to change the earlier decision that he had a hand in to accomodate the Florida and Michigan delegates. Regardless of who you support, that comment sums up the entire "stench" surrounding the Clinton campaign.

Grace   February 16th, 2008 9:52 pm ET

The first presidential election I was eligible to vote in was 2000, and the twist in events in Florida was a rude awakening to the fact that elections aren't necessarily about the people who voted. But I was able to tell myself then that my chosen candidate had been unfairly routed by the other party.

If in 2008, I see my chosen candidate done in AGAIN by arcane rules and some august body's special wisdom, and that the hamstringing's done from INSIDE THE PARTY? I'll lose it. And I'll have a very hard time believing all of this nonsense about America's leadership in democracy, or that we have any business whatsoever interfering with the democratic elections of others.

Sylvia   February 16th, 2008 9:50 pm ET

BINGO!!!!

Paul Lennon   February 16th, 2008 9:44 pm ET

Maybe Obama should give Clinton all the delegates from states he lost.

I think America better wake up to the Obama , before John McCain and the republicans show him a thing or two

I guess everyone forgot about 2000 and 2004
As a matter of fact, Obama sounds alot like Bush 2 in 1999

Missie   February 16th, 2008 9:37 pm ET

OBAMA IS OKAY WITH ME. MY VOTE WAS FOR HILLARY AT FIRST UNTIL HER HUSBAND STARTED RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT AGAIN AND SHE ALLOWED IT TO HAPPEN BECAUSE IT HAPPENED MORE THAN ONCE; SO WHO WILL BE IN CHARGE OF THE WHITE HOUSE. I RESPECT OBAMA BECAUSE HE’S BEEN OBEYING THE RULES, THAT TELLS YOU ALOT ABOUT A PERSON AND NOW HILLARY IS JUST AS HUNGRY AS EVER AND WILL DO WHATEVER SHE CAN TO WIN. I THINK IF IT WOULD HAVE BEEN OBAMA IN HER POSITION RIGHT NOW HE WOULD HAVE JUST TAKEN IT LIKE A MAN WITHOUT THROWING PUNCHES AT HILLARY BUT STILL RUNNING A FAIR RACE. LOOK AT WHAT HAPPENED IN FLORIDA WHEN SHE ALREADY KNEW THAT SHE WASN’T SUPPOSE TO GO BUT SHE WENT ANYWAY AND NOW THAT SHE IS LOSING SHE WANT THOSE VOTES TO COUNT BUT IF SHE WOULD BE WINNING SHE WOULDN’T HAVE THOUGHT TWICE ABOUT IT.

Lucy   February 16th, 2008 9:36 pm ET

Obama's name was also on the ballot for Florida's primary.

Michael Black   February 16th, 2008 9:36 pm ET

The unfortunate response of this country is to attempt to change the rules of which have been voted on and agreed to by a particular party. If there is to be fairness in any competition, there must first be agreement on the rules of the game, and how victory is declared. Certainly there is concern when in the entire campaign all canidates have been on the ballot, and the delegates selected along with the counted vote have been agreed to. How is it even possible that there is consideration of representation from the states of Florida and Michigan to partake in the party nomination when there was a willful act of both to ignor rather than conform to party guideline. More so it is ambiguious how one canidate campaigns and the others do not.

Randy   February 16th, 2008 9:36 pm ET

Sigh, I'm really trying to wrap myself around why the Clinton campaign decided to bring up the Michigian/Florida delegates not being seated after Super Tuesday. Could it be that they figured the Dem front-runner nomination would be wrapped up? I take that to be the case. This is dirty politics, and if it continues I can see it dividing the Dem party.

~R

Shelby in Seattle   February 16th, 2008 9:34 pm ET

Wow!

"Having the nomination nailed down by june" does not sound like a "Underdog". Its sounds more like a Monty Python movie where the guy loses both arms in a fight and utters "Its just a flesh wound".

Its over. its over….its OVER!

Leela   February 16th, 2008 9:32 pm ET

Hillary always has the unethical ways to win…she can always use those…she has 35 years of experince in doing whatever it takes..even lies. she will do well …only a true talent of a phony.

honesty, truth, fair and square, good judgement, work for the americans…are all foreign concept to her.

Bill   February 16th, 2008 9:32 pm ET

Clinton's been getting owned and is now her advisers say she has it in the bag…? I don't get it…? This is the kind of stuff that turns me off from the Clinton campaign

onyeka   February 16th, 2008 9:27 pm ET

funny..for a potential president to acgt like a 10th grader..the most amatuer ads of the campaign

Yvette Ezell   February 16th, 2008 9:27 pm ET

(POLITICS-as-USUAL) Trying to change the rules to suit your benefit is just the same old politics. I'm tired…the American people are tired of this type of politics. It was clearly voted last year to penalize Michigan and Florida, it would be an outrage to seat them at the convention this summer.

Frank Esper, Cleveland Ohio   February 16th, 2008 9:22 pm ET

I believe that as much as I believe she really plans to go against special interests

abigi   February 16th, 2008 9:15 pm ET

How can the obama's campaign manager say that super delagates decision won't be the voice of the people.

What is the voice of the people?

Obama is not leading Hillary by 1000 votes.

He is only leading hillary by a few margin,so the voice of demoractic voters are divided between obama and hillary.

I have always said Obama can't win this nomination.

TheMightyC   February 16th, 2008 9:14 pm ET

Hil-LIAR-ry dismissed every caucus state that she didn't win as "not that big of a deal or unimportant." This shows her motivation for becoming president is "power," and further shows, she LIED about her concern, for the welfare of "All" the American people. After the lack of judgment, managerial skill, and civility that's evident by the deterioration of Clinton's campaign, what makes her think that the American people could trust, and place their confidence in her, to be an effective president? Her polarizing antics, along with her disregard for integrity, is truly unforgivable! Whatever happened to your word being bond? If a person can't be trusted in small matters, they definitely can't be trusted in major situations. Hil-LIAR-ry is on the verge of becoming a train wreck! I guess the real question is: WILL THE DNC ALLOW HIL-LIAR-RY TO WRECK THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY!!!!

Muyoyeta   February 16th, 2008 9:12 pm ET

There you go: You are a superdelegate and you vote not to seat two states that violated party rules. And now the candidate you are supporting is in trouble, you go against what you stood for. What a bunch of hypocrites these politicians can be! Do these guys have any integrity at all?

Trev   February 16th, 2008 9:12 pm ET

Its about time that Clinton's people respond to the arrogence of the Obama campaign. They told us it was over last Tuesday. Clinton wants more people to have their say. As people become aware that Hillary offers more solutions than Obama, more and more working Americans will join her. You don't have to be against Obama to be for Hillary!

Rich F.   February 16th, 2008 9:10 pm ET

Finally, a story that doesn't anoint Obama the winner with so much of the campaign left to go. Kudos to Harold Ickes for letting everyone know that. And shame on CNN for once again tilting the coverage in favor of Obama, making it seem like only Senator Clinton's name was on the ballot in Florida. The fact is Obama's was too, and he even broke the rules and ran TV ads there. Hillary still beat him, as she will when all is said and done.

Marc in CT   February 16th, 2008 9:07 pm ET

I think the Clinton camp should be ashamed of themselves and any one else who thinks that Florida and Michigan delegates should be seated. They had a agreement due to the states moving their up primaries,
all party's agreed. I guess some people's words are only good if it benefits them {Hillary}. I thought that all Americans were created equal,
I guess I was wrong, Because once again the Clintons get to say or do
whatever they want.

Abby   February 16th, 2008 9:06 pm ET

Thank you CNN for positive news on Hillary. What a breath of fresh air!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

scottwww   February 16th, 2008 9:05 pm ET

In November, if it's Barak Obama headlining the ticket for the Democrats, just write in "present" for your vote.

It's a good way to object to provisions in the election that you might otherwise support.

Go Hillary!

curtis in WI   February 16th, 2008 9:03 pm ET

The race will be over when there are no more primaries and caucauses. Wow. That's genius there.

Sam   February 16th, 2008 9:02 pm ET

The longer the race goes on the better it will be for Obama because it will give him more chances and opportunities to tell the country about NAFTA, a Clinton legacy which has directly resulted in economic woes to Americans. It has resulted in jobs losses across the country.

The Obama campaign should also highlight Clinton's failed promises and tell the Americans how Clinton promised thousands of jobs in up-state New York in her Senatorial election campaign but did not deliver and failed miserably.

How can we trust her when she says she's ready on day one? She could not even run her campaign successfully properly, how can she say she's ready to run a country.

Janice   February 16th, 2008 9:00 pm ET

Well, if the news media continues to go along with the Clinton camp as they CONTINUE TO MOVE THE GOAL POSTS, that should be an indication that the MSM is a bunch of "crock." First, it was she would have the nomination wrapped up by Super Tuesday (Feb. 5), then March 4 would be the great decider. Now that she and her camp realize that she'll STILL BE BEHIND on this date, it's now JUNE. Come on news media, give me a break. If the shoe were on the other foot and Obama was behind like this, you would have already DECLARED HILLARY CLINTON THE WINNER, AND CALLING FOR OBAMA TO CONCEDE FOR THE GOOD OF THE PARTY.

WHAT HYPOCRITES!!!!

Bill Worsham   February 16th, 2008 8:58 pm ET

It would be a sad day if America rejected an inspirational leader like Obama to pick the same old Clinton or the same old Bush. Oh, I forgot. McCains policies are so much like the Bush administrations that I really couldnt tell the difference.

Echo   February 16th, 2008 8:54 pm ET

Hillary has never looked and sounding so good.
She has what it takes in 08!!!!

Josh   February 16th, 2008 8:53 pm ET

Sounds like Ickes wouldn't have wanted Michigan and Florida to count if Obama had won, and now he just wants more delegates for his candidate because he is worried about her losing. Ridiculous and very transparent.

Lee   February 16th, 2008 8:53 pm ET

These people are sick, the Clintons. The movement has begun and not many people know how it started! Winds are changing direction and man is limited in his natural abilities and that's when God steps in, It's "God stupid". I wiil be the first one to say "President Obama", thank you and may God bless you and your family.

Dollar Bill   February 16th, 2008 8:53 pm ET

Its about time for Hillary take a lesson from Romney before she tears the party apart.

Brian   February 16th, 2008 8:52 pm ET

typical Clintonite….. trying to change the rules even he voted for to benefit Hillary.

Y.Lee   February 16th, 2008 8:47 pm ET

Re: Florida/Michigan

What about the people who stayed home and didn't vote because they knew their votes wouldn't count?

Linda VanHaitsma   February 16th, 2008 8:45 pm ET

Under election 2008 Hillary Clinton has no MISSISSIPPI State listed under her results, BB has MISSISSIPPI under his?
Keeping you honest
Thank You

SharonR   February 16th, 2008 8:44 pm ET

Go Hillary fight the good fight

Angelina005   February 16th, 2008 8:34 pm ET

Billary has not only said she will be the nominee since she entered the race, she belives she will be the US president……. she feels she is enttitled to it…………….
Anyone but clinton………..

Donna   February 16th, 2008 8:32 pm ET

I think the Clinton Campaign is living in a Fantasy Land.

Tim D.   February 16th, 2008 8:29 pm ET

Wow! Talk about arrogance! Hillary is already trailing, and somehow they figure to have it all nailed down by June. Yeah right! I'm starting to wander what kind of drugs are these folks taking!

Netop   February 16th, 2008 8:22 pm ET

New fire-wall in Puerto Rico? That screams confidence.

JB   February 16th, 2008 8:22 pm ET

So, he votes to not allow those states to sit (MI and FL). Then, once it is clear that his candidate needs those votes, he now claims they deserve the right to sit.

No, no, no! This is politics as usual. Obama did not campaign in FL (they all committed to not campaiging, but Hillary went against her word), and his name was not on the ballot in MI(becasue he stuck to his word and removed his name, Hillary again, went against her word).

This is absurd. Even the Hilliots have got to admit, trying to get FL and MI to count is underhanded and dirty.

If this thing explodes and somehow Hillary finds herself the nominee, I am voting for McCain. I know many others who feel the same way.

Don't allow this to happen voting public!!!!!

Anonymous   February 16th, 2008 8:20 pm ET

Correction. all three candidates were on the ballot in Florida.
Michigan's ballot was the only state where Hillary was the only Democratic candidate on the ballot. Florida's delegates will probably be seated and Michigans won't.
Hillary will prevail.

Love Hill   February 16th, 2008 8:14 pm ET

Now there is a true campaign manager in charge.
Since the shake up, all looks great.
Go Hillary Go!!

sandy   February 16th, 2008 8:12 pm ET

I HOPE ALL THE PEOPLE LOOK AT HER RECORD AND COMPARE IT TO OB. HILLARY HAS SOLUTIONS THANKS TO HER ALOT OF KIDS HAVE BEEN INSURED THRU THE CHIPS PROGRAM SO WHEN YOU ARE READY TO VOTE REMEMBER HER FOR SOLUTIONS NOT HOPES AND MAYBES. OBAMA SHOULD RUN FOR KING OF BURGER KING ON THE JOB TRAINING

Tim O   February 16th, 2008 7:51 pm ET

The election will be long over for Hillary in March. There will be no need for the Clintons to hang around till June.

pj   February 16th, 2008 7:50 pm ET

that's just funny…
its time for the Clintons to have the same reality check they seem to like perscribing.

Stefan Flosbach   February 16th, 2008 7:50 pm ET

It is interesting how this incident is represented in by different news services. Can someone tell me where the original wording can be found?

harry K   February 16th, 2008 7:50 pm ET

It will be over in June and Hillary will be the nominee!!!

jvii   February 16th, 2008 7:47 pm ET

Wishful thinking on Clinton's part.

Kathy Chico Ca.   February 16th, 2008 7:47 pm ET

If the Clinton camp pressures the super delegates to vote for Hillary even though Obama has won more elected delegates and the popular vote, I am voting for John McCain.

Janann   February 16th, 2008 7:46 pm ET

The Governor of Puerto Rico endorsed BARACKO.

K Fergus   February 16th, 2008 7:35 pm ET

For Obama to want to rush to declare himself the presumptive nominee is just one more confirmation of the arrogance and hubris this man possesses. America needs someone with depth. Obama = Shallow! All talk no substance.

Go Hillary! You've got the guts, stamina, and the expertise to win against McCain this November. The country needs YOU.

jack   February 16th, 2008 7:34 pm ET

Typical Clinton supporter…The delegates should not be seated (unless not seating them will hurt us).

Deborah Landes, Sarasota, Florida   February 16th, 2008 7:13 pm ET

I fail to understand why the press refuses to point out that it was the Republican dominated state legislature in Florida that changed the primary date. Nevertheless, Florida Democrats are being punished.

Both candidates appeared on the ballot. Furthermore, I saw a number of Obama ads on CNN that aired in Florida in the week prior to the primary. I never saw a Hillary ad. According to the Obama campaign it was a "mistake".

The damage of bad reporting and the spin that "Hillary is trying to . change the rules", cannot be undone by a back page retraction. We all know what happened in Florida in 2000, and in my congressional district in Sarasota, 18,000 congressional votes disappeared without a paper trail in the 2006 congressional election. Now I am told my primary vote won't count either. So why should I bother voting in November?

Koszarek Livingston   February 16th, 2008 7:12 pm ET

Dear:
Lou Dobbs.
I "truly" believe that Mrs, Hillary Rodham Clinton will win the "Presidency" in 2009! #1 She has been about one of the biggest advocates for health care scents Bill Clintons Term and beyond! Also she has so much more exsperence then barako obama in Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, and Health Care, and the safety of children and etc. "Plus" she was actually helping out Bill Clinton in the white house during his tenor. And also she has been a very strong senator for the state of New York for at least 4 years and counting! Also I really think it's about time "Women" take a stand "now" then ever and end the male dominated presidency of USA's history! Because I believe Ms Clinton would be an excellent "President" in the 21st Century! Thanks Koszarek Livingston! 2-16-8 7:12 P.M. Eastern standard time ok Lou Dobbs!!!!…………

carol   February 16th, 2008 7:12 pm ET

Mrs. Clinton is running scared and I do not think she thought this would happen to her. I wish her luck. I live in Nevada and that makes me feel this woman will do anything to get this nomination. How sad!

Bellini   February 16th, 2008 7:10 pm ET

Just like the Clinton camp…changing their minds so that it favors them. Enough of their dishonest and dirty tactics!

carol   February 16th, 2008 7:09 pm ET

Yes we can! Go home Hillary, it's Over!

ObamaSupporters   February 16th, 2008 7:09 pm ET

KEEP WISHING!

Tim   February 16th, 2008 7:08 pm ET

Phony phony woman. Will never get my vote!

Richard   February 16th, 2008 7:07 pm ET

May I know when Hillary is going to release her tax returns? I am still waiting. As undecided voter, I don't think she is persuading me in any way by not doing so. Today is saturday and I have only two days to make up my mind. How do I vote for her when I don't trust her? Someone help me here!

Erica Hill   February 16th, 2008 7:07 pm ET

Please don't try devisive politics with superdelegates to try to get elected. If you are down with the pledge delegates then bow out..

Go away Clinton. We are tired of you.

Obama for America

mary   February 16th, 2008 7:04 pm ET

wow, CNN is trying to make this a family business website. I can not stomach this anymore!

gene   February 16th, 2008 6:59 pm ET

Very good. Hillary Clinton will make a great President. She has experience and no one can doubt or question her intelligence. She is a hard worker and she loves this country. You will see an imediate improvement in foriegn affairs and she will end this war and bring our troops home. I don't see how any you Obama supporters would want to elect a novice at this time. We have two wars going and we have Putin threating to aim nuclear missiles at our missiles that Bush wants to plant on the Russian border. A speech on "hope and change" is not going to cut it.

John Fort Collins, CO   February 16th, 2008 6:58 pm ET

This is just a sorry attempt to get attention for the failing Clinton campaign.

andrea benini   February 16th, 2008 6:56 pm ET

I agree with mr ickes that Hillary will have the nomination down pat by June. mr Obama's momentum will fade as reality begins to set in that Hillary is in fact 'the one'

Ola   February 16th, 2008 6:53 pm ET

If a family who made most of their fortune from talking could say "Talk is cheap" I think they are the cheapest!

Ben   February 16th, 2008 6:53 pm ET

I am from Washington and I feel insulted with Hillary comment that we don't need a president. I just feel so much insulted. I am insulted!

Matthew   February 16th, 2008 6:52 pm ET

Keep dreaming. The Clinton camp will do anything to keep this whole thing spinning. … and that's all it is – spin.

gail   February 16th, 2008 6:51 pm ET

Has anyone told Hillary Botox has been recalled?

Rob   February 16th, 2008 6:50 pm ET

First Ickes wanted them not to count now he does. What a hypocrite!

Ola   February 16th, 2008 6:50 pm ET

If a family who made most of their from talking can say "Talk is cheap" I think they are the cheapest!

CB   February 16th, 2008 6:38 pm ET

I can't believe she would go on CNN telling America that she thought Florida and Michigan counted. It was reported that these states would be just face cards.
How can we vote for someone like this?
She underestimated Obama from the get go in every way.
First it was with money, then she jumped on the change bandwagon when its working for Obama.
After Iowa’s outcome she injected this gender/race tactic, bow down and cried in New Hampshire literally having women voting for her. Then she started with this lack of experience tactic on Obama claiming she is tough, battle tested and ready from day one.
Next she started with this minority issue basically having Asians and Latinos going against Obama, put Chelsea out there to attract young voters but not subjected to the media. If she is going to campaign for her mother, she should be ready to answer questions. You can’t go in public asking people to vote for your mother without letting them know why.
Now she’s saying Obama is saying he can but she will, lied about inviting Obama to debate and he’s ducking her, and to top it off she’s “attempting to have superdelegates overturn the will of the Democratic voters, or change the rules they agreed to at the 11th hour in order to seat non-existent delegates from Florida and Michigan”.
What will she do as president if this country should face some serious crisis?

KMAN   February 16th, 2008 6:38 pm ET

It's amazing how the Clinton campaign continues to rationalize away reality by simply moving the goal post further out from the current line of scrimmage! This was supposed to be all “wrapped up” after Super Tuesday as evidenced by their campaigns lack of planning for post February 5th contests! I don’t want to be lead by folks as shortsighted and ego-driven as the Clintons … I only wish they had let their lovely daughter remain out of the limelight since she is not linked to their failings in any way!!

Josh   February 16th, 2008 6:38 pm ET

Ok then Obama, hand over your delegates votes from Kennedy, and all the other States Hillary Has won, which would mean that would give her more delegates and place her in the lead.

Stop whining and before your fluff blows away.

Janice   February 16th, 2008 6:36 pm ET

sure, the race will be over but not as Clinton as the winner, we all know that, and so do you who wrote this article.

Independent   February 16th, 2008 6:35 pm ET

Yeah right, David Plouffe, you're nothing but a devil's advocate. get lost.

Mike   February 16th, 2008 6:34 pm ET

It seems plenty of people want to crown Obama before this process is done. Hillary is the superior candidate in terms of achieving realistic and specific goals domestically, while her pragmatism will her serve her well in managing international crises. Also, people voting in the remaining states should not have to fall in line with Obama just because those currently on his bandwagon love his speeches and rhetoric.

JerryZ   February 16th, 2008 6:34 pm ET

I guess Hillary thinks the majority vote and the delegate count is not pointing to her, so lets change the rules. Hillary approved the delegates not counting in Florida and Michigan for moving their primaries up. Now their losing and they want to change the rule? And say all the states won by Obama are insignificant? How arrogant! I wasn't sure which way to go, now I do. We can't have a flip flopper running our White House and say our voters are insignificant!!!!!!!!

My vote is to Obama. What a ugly person she is. Dissing the American people.

Branden   February 16th, 2008 6:34 pm ET

This is such crap. Ickes typifies the hypocritical nature of politics as usual. 'We will punish Florida and Michigan until it benefits us, then make a 180 degree turn to cynically try to steal the election.' Hopefully Howard Dean will have enough of a spine to stand up to this bullying. I hope he does.

CWD Chicago   February 16th, 2008 6:33 pm ET

Simply, the candidate with the most pledged delegates should get the nod. The Clinton campaign is playing like my four-year-old: He changes the rules whenever it suits him, and thinks no one will notice!

warren   February 16th, 2008 6:33 pm ET

Clinton's inability to know what this compaign would require of her says a lot about the kind of nominee of the Democratic Party.

Rod   February 16th, 2008 6:32 pm ET

So what is up with your clear bias in favor of the Clinton's ??? Just count the proportion of articles and photos about Hillary, Bill, and/or Chelsea.

I know that they need some free advertisement, but this is ridiculous. CNN should be ashamed of this, claiming to be an objective news organization.

I will quit you guys both on the web and TV unless this stops very soon.

Also, we are organizing email campaigns to your advertisers to express our clear displeasure and intentions.

Dave   February 16th, 2008 6:32 pm ET

I agree! It isn't over until it is over! After all, Obama just went ahead of Hillary for the first time. She will go ahead again and stay there.
Hillary will win the nomination.

CT voter   February 16th, 2008 6:32 pm ET

As an Independent planning to vote for a Democrat in the fall, I'm starting to worry that we're headed for another Republican in the White House…Clinton and Obama are two strong candidates, but all of this in-party fighting and bickering can't be good for Democrats next November. At this point, it's hard to imagine either of the candidates (or their spouses) genuinely supporting the other when a nominee is finally selected. They should BOTH be rallying voters for the party instead of dividing them.

solidindc   February 16th, 2008 6:32 pm ET

More dirty politics by the Clintons & crew who will stop at nothing to attain power, which is all they really care about. Michigan & Florida knew That they were going to penalized. Obama's name was not even on the ballot in MI as he abided by the agreement that Hillary did not. Now she is trying to turn it into a matter of voter disenfranchisement o include them after the fact. Such dishonesty and lack of integrity is not presidential at all, unethical as all get out. Hillary, GET OUT, STEP ASIDE , We do not need
another dynasty President.

OBAMA "08

d   February 16th, 2008 6:31 pm ET

GO HILLIARY… next President of the USA…Hilliary R. Clinton

Bob   February 16th, 2008 6:30 pm ET

My grandson informs me that his favorite cartoon show is
'Bob The Builder", and his motto is "Yes We Can". . .

Neal   February 16th, 2008 6:30 pm ET

(Y)Ickes!

TO REPEAT: Ickes voted last year to penalize Michigan and Florida — who moved their primary votes up in violation of party instructions — to seat their delegation at the party’s nominating convention this summer. On Saturday, he said both states’ delegations should be seated, and the results of those contests should stand.

Harold, Harold, Harold. For Pete's sake – You know better, sir!

Memo to Clintonians: THEMS THE RULES! You don't change the rules in the middle of the game. Americans won't let you. We know right from wrong, Mr. Ickes. Shame on you, sir!

Jordan   February 16th, 2008 6:29 pm ET

Second to last paragraph, bad writing or editing…possibly on purpose.

"Clinton won the primaries in Florida and in Michigan, where she was the only major Democratic candidate to appear on the ballot."

In FLORIDA EVERY CANDIDATES name was on the ballot. Over a million people showed up (just two or three hundred thousand short of the republicans) for the Democrats and Hillary won by a large margin. In MICHIGAN she was the only one on the ballot. It may still be correct because the statement comes after Michigan is mentioned but that just looks like a deliberate attempt to suggest all the candidates were not on the ballot in Florida. I get so tired of the media influences in our society.

FACT CHECK CNN!

AL   February 16th, 2008 6:29 pm ET

You bet it'll be over by June, and Obama will be the Democratic Nominee!

Obama 08!

Terri in Texas   February 16th, 2008 6:28 pm ET

In the end, I don't see the Clinton same old same old song winning. Republicans would love to have her as the presidential nominee. My hope is that if Obama is the nominee, he doesn't choose Clinton as his running mate. He would be stupid to trust her or him.

Stein   February 16th, 2008 6:26 pm ET

If the Supers decide the democrat nominee, we might as well just have republican primaries and make that person president because alot of support will go right out the window

Anonymous   February 16th, 2008 6:25 pm ET

Typical Democratic ploy. Start the game, and if things don't go your way change the rules. The DNC voted to penalize Michigan and Florida, but with Hillary losing better change the rules and seat these deligates.

David Snider   February 16th, 2008 6:25 pm ET

Ickes voted last year to penalize Michigan and Florida now wants his decision reversed since Hillary will lose without them.

Can you say 2 faced?

Im glad this guy didnt endorse Obama. We wouldnt want a socialist endorsing the Hope foundation!

Manfred   February 16th, 2008 6:21 pm ET

Go on Hillary, do what you can with your exp., Do not like others who can only promise without any ideas….

Change, how? how to believe him?

GO ON Hillary, US need you….

GO ON Hillary, US need you….

GO ON Hillary, US need you….

Chris Andoe   February 16th, 2008 6:20 pm ET

The following deserves more attention:

Ickes voted last year to penalize Michigan and Florida — who moved their primary votes up in violation of party instructions — to seat their delegation at the party’s nominating convention this summer. On Saturday, he said both states’ delegations should be seated, and the results of those contests should stand. Hillary Clinton won the primaries in Florida and in Michigan, where she was the only major Democratic candidate to appear on the ballot.

Obama's voters didn't come out in Florida since they were told it didn't count, and Obama wasn't even on the Michigan ballot.

In addition to Ann Coulter it looks like the Clinton team has embraced Karl Rove.

The media should shine the spotlight on the Clinton's dirty tricks.

Bill Jay   February 16th, 2008 6:20 pm ET

We love you Hillary, from Philadelphia…..

CW   February 16th, 2008 6:19 pm ET

Blah, Blah, Blah. If Obama had won Florida and Michigan, we'd be hearing this same story from the other direction. If the party wants superdelegates to vote the will of the people, and then the votes in FL and MI will come to bear. The campaign has gone ugly, so who's paying attention to the real issues anymore? This sounds like a popularity contest in high school more than a presidential election.

Kelly   February 16th, 2008 6:19 pm ET

So let me get this right, she's going to fight until the very end and leave the Democrats only 4 months of national campaign time to fight McCain?

Hillary, concede for the good of the party before you split it in two and give the Republicans another 4 years of more war.

KB26   February 16th, 2008 6:18 pm ET

It will be over sooner than June. When Obama takes Ohio and Texas on March 4.

ken   February 16th, 2008 6:18 pm ET

Why is CNN making this website Clinton family business. mmmmh, I see you through!

Nick   February 16th, 2008 6:18 pm ET

"Clinton won the primaries in Florida and in Michigan, where she was the only major Democratic candidate to appear on the ballot."

I think this should be rephrased to make it clear that all the Democratic nominees were in fact on Florida's ballot and that Obama and Edwards voluntarily took their names off of Michigan's ticket. The negative connotation it currently has is completely biased and unfair.

jack   February 16th, 2008 6:17 pm ET

wow, this is a real family business from father, mother to the daughter. It is our time to stop this nonsense. This is a democratic society and time to send these people home!

Sheri   February 16th, 2008 6:16 pm ET

Barack Obama has never tried to call this election, nor has he ever stated that he should have the nomination now. In fact, please read his website.. listen to him speak.. he of anyone realizes the battle yet to be fought in terms of earning votes and delegates, which is why he continues to go state to state, town to town rallying with the citizens of those states and towns and delivering his message himself, rather than relying on his message to be delivered by the media…

Jeanett Sealy   February 16th, 2008 6:16 pm ET

I honestly feel first and foremost that Clinton needs to stand by the decision to eliminate the delegations of Michigan and Florida. I think her desire to reinstate them after the agreements speaks clearly to her shady tactics as a politician – something we do not need more of. I also believe that should superdelegates go against the obvious wish of the people, they need to step down from their political office. They are there to represent the american people, clearly if they vote against the peoples choice in their state they are not able to do that.

RJB2   February 16th, 2008 6:16 pm ET

A new FYI…
261 earmarks Clinton personally helped usher through Congress. That's more earmarks than any other member of Congress seeking the presidency, according to an analysis by the watchdog group Citizens Against Government Waste (CAGW).

Same old same old…

CG   February 16th, 2008 6:15 pm ET

I don't know why some Americans feel they can break the law and not have to face any penalty. Now the Clintons are just perpetuating this notion by calling for Florida and Michigan to be seated. Those states knew the law and yet they still broke it. Sorry but now you must pay the price. Deal with it and move on.

Bubba   February 16th, 2008 6:13 pm ET

The only thing that will be nailed by June is one of her hubbys' female campaign workers.

Sean, Detroit, MI   February 16th, 2008 6:12 pm ET

So, Ickes voted to disallow seating of the Michigan and Florida delegates and now he's trying to argue they should be seated? No surprise he's part of the Clinton campaign. The sleaze machine rolls on…

Re-vote in Michigan and Obama wins by 15%.

JM   February 16th, 2008 6:11 pm ET

According to most news sources it is nearly mathematically impossible for either of them to reach 2,025 through the remaining primaries, paritally due to the way the delegates are split proportionately.

So, either they will resolve it prior to the convention or that leaves whoever is the Democratic candidate with 2 months to run a general election campaign which McCain will have been doing for 6 months prior to the election .

Richard   February 16th, 2008 6:08 pm ET

Mr. Ickes is not doing a service to the Clinton campaign by now stating that Florida and Michigan delegates should be credentialed, having voted before the fact that they not be. Wild guess….if Obama had won Florida Mr. Ickes and Senator Clinton would not be so interested in having them seated.

Rick Lime   February 16th, 2008 6:05 pm ET

Bill and Hillary…. two too many Clintons.

Sharon of Illinois   February 16th, 2008 6:03 pm ET

Why change the rules now? HE voted to not have them seated. Follow the rules, if she wins that way fine but don't be a cheat.

Nancy   February 16th, 2008 6:03 pm ET

It is interesting to note that the Clinton campaign wishes to win by any means possible including ignoring the will of the people. I do not believe Clinton will have more pledged votes than Obama. If superdelegates decide to give the nomination to Clinton I will not vote in the general election. Clinton's campaign tactics are truly vile.

Will   February 16th, 2008 6:03 pm ET

Please go home, Hillary, America does not want you in the white house again. Didn't work too well the first time, and definitely won't work the second time.

Sylvia   February 16th, 2008 6:01 pm ET

They are tied….why does Obama think he is the winner? Why does he think he is ahead….they are TIED

I will not vote for HIM in TEXAS!!!!

Jenny   February 16th, 2008 6:01 pm ET

Hillary is a snake. She wishes she can beat Barack. Barack for the win!

Ryan M.   February 16th, 2008 6:01 pm ET

Clintonian…. 'nuff said.

Jose Luis   February 16th, 2008 5:54 pm ET

Hillay senior adviser is wrong, Puerto Rico belong to Obama. Yes we can.

marylee wagerman atlanta,ga   February 16th, 2008 5:53 pm ET

i doubt you will even post this…however,if hillary is the dems nominee i will NEVER vote for her

Ron   February 16th, 2008 5:52 pm ET

WHAT AMAZING CONTEST..I am not sure who is going to win. All I can say is, it is quite a race!! BUT, I believe the nomination will be determined March 4th. If Hillary doesn't win by at least 15% in those Primarys it will be over….WHAT A CONTEST…

Bobby K   February 16th, 2008 5:49 pm ET

How convenient that the Clinton campaign changes their mind on seating Michiganian and Floridian delegates after eight straight losses in the past weeks.

Robert Manley, Anchorage, AK   February 16th, 2008 5:48 pm ET

I can tell you one thing- if the eventual nominee for the Democrats is not the candidate with the most PLEDGED delegates, I will not vote in November. And you will see a major defection from our party. I trust the Super Delegates do the right thing.

Comfort Zone   February 16th, 2008 5:37 pm ET

Bill Clinton is forgetting his own legacy, which most of us remember all too well. We had to explain the term "oral sex" to six year olds. Tell Mr. Bill that Americans do not want him living in the White House again.

Joe   February 16th, 2008 5:36 pm ET

Countng on the superdelegates is another Clintonesque trick to win. Clinton should play the game as everyone else does. Get most votes from ordinary people and there is no question who won. Insiders should stay out.

marsha mcknight   February 16th, 2008 5:35 pm ET

The Clinton campaign must be 'very careful' with threatening with delegates over popular vote….they should not want to promote a 'population uprising' in the U.S. if Obama has the popular vote and then Hillary tries 'dirty shananigans' to hijack the presidency'….if Hillary really cares about this country, she should then support Obama with the rest of us!

Dee   February 16th, 2008 5:35 pm ET

We need a black President "who is against war with Arab sounding name" to tell the whole world that Americans do care for the world as well..

adria shelby   February 16th, 2008 5:31 pm ET

Who's the senior advisor? Must be Hillary herself cause she's gonna lose big time. Time to ride off into the sunset Clintons. Most likely she'll be left way behind by June. And I wonder what big bills legacy is? Must be how good a womanizer is is huh?

Raj Mungol   February 16th, 2008 5:30 pm ET

Hiillary cannot win the Presidency if she wins the nomination. I as an independent will sit out the election.

MARY   February 16th, 2008 5:29 pm ET

Its insincere for us to say one thing and do the opposite. In a democratic state, the voters should give the final nod. That is what is happening and that is what should happen. Let the voters decide. Obama is the one who brings both dems, independents and Reps to the same table to have solns

Quinn - Houston, Texas   February 16th, 2008 5:29 pm ET

Did I hear right? Did the Billary campaign say that we can put a nail in her coffin by June? Wow. Even though I can't stand the sight of you anymore, I don't hate you either. All I wanted was for you to lose and go home. Suicide is not an option for you Hillary. Don't do it.

Yolanda Diaz   February 16th, 2008 5:29 pm ET

Hillary will win Puerto Rico

EWENIKE ROWLAND   February 16th, 2008 5:28 pm ET

IT WILL BE SHAMEFULL AND UNJUST FOR THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY TO PERMIT DELEGATES FROM FLORIDA AND MICHIGAN TO PLAY A ROLE IN THE DEMOCRATIC NOMINATION.

hj in az   February 16th, 2008 5:24 pm ET

Hillary has this already won. Obama should quit now.

Adam   February 16th, 2008 5:23 pm ET

That second-to-last paragraph shows Ickes is a blatant hypocrite, plain and simple.

Kath   February 16th, 2008 5:22 pm ET

Its a sign of a desperate campaign who is willing to say and do whatever it takes to win the nomination.
Hilaryy: Whats with the boxing gloves in Texas??
Sore loser !!

Mia   February 16th, 2008 5:22 pm ET

And I also will predict that the presidential race will be over in November.

jankit   February 16th, 2008 5:20 pm ET

I find the whole argument about seating Florida and Michigan delegates very disturbing. This has the potential to divide the democratic party.

BAA   February 16th, 2008 5:20 pm ET

I think Hllary's campaign seems so scatterbrained…its all over the place. As much as I wanted to stay neutral, I have to admit, im leaning Obama…I think they are both very intelligent but Hillary seems remarkably uninspiring and I dont think she can bring people together…

Mr. C   February 16th, 2008 5:16 pm ET

being ignorant and too proud is too bad. Did she not think the race would be over by super tuesday…. Give me a freaking break.

Dan   February 16th, 2008 5:13 pm ET

wrongggggggggggggggggggggg. She is stealing slogans. Stealing styles. Stealing signature lines. How phony can this woman be?

Jeff Spangler, Arlington, VA   February 16th, 2008 5:12 pm ET

The primary race is over now, and the general is too. The only issue is who to blame for throwing away a slam dunk victory. Maybe it's the voters who support candidates with hopelessly unrealistic agendas like Hillary and Obama.

Nick   February 16th, 2008 5:12 pm ET

That's right – watch for it!! A SOLUTION REVOLUTION is coming your way soon.

GO HILLARY!

Sharona   February 16th, 2008 5:09 pm ET

So when Hillary started her campaign by declaring herself the "inevitable" democratic candidate, and then said that the nomination would clearly be hers by February 6, 2008, that isn't considered a "rush to judgement"?

kbk   February 16th, 2008 5:08 pm ET

HRC and company are showing the height of desparation one can probably show to win this nomination. ..they are doing whatever it takes…negative ads..accusations..not respecting Mr.Clinton's legacy and so on….
HRC is accusing Obama of not participating in debates and suggesting Wisconsin deserves better…this shows she says anything to win….its Obama who is in Wisconsin for last 4 days and she is in Texas and Ohio…
Give me a break!!……..even a blind and deaf can tell here who is ignoring Wisconsin….its Mrs Clinton who is steping into Wisconsin today only that shows how much she is for Wisconson.
Wisconsin….its time to act and decide who speaks and who does things…..
Its her who is speaking from texas and Obama who is doing things in Madison, Milwakee, Greenbay…..
By the way whats with the boxing gloves ?? she was showing in Texas…
Looks like she is here for real boxing match…sign of a loser!!

Go Obama 08!!

James Izzard   February 16th, 2008 5:06 pm ET

America will not allow the media, including Oprah Winfrey decide on who we should vote for. We didn't buy Milli Vanilli and James Frey and we want fall for a empty suit no matter how much the media would like it.

Cathi   February 16th, 2008 5:05 pm ET

Gosh, isn't that what they said would happen February 5? Politics as usual!

Nowhere Man   February 16th, 2008 5:02 pm ET

Win by hook or crook, right, Mr. Icky?

Greg   February 16th, 2008 5:02 pm ET

I smell a November defeat for the Democrats.

Roos   February 16th, 2008 5:00 pm ET

Hillary & Bill, Thanks for the previous years, lessons learned, NO More Debate (heard enough), Don't care for the $9.50 "Chicken Bucket" SPECIAL !!! It's a new day with new ideas, and time for CHANGE !!!

Babe   February 16th, 2008 4:52 pm ET

It just shows that the clintons will do anything including pimping their daughter into the political arena to acheive their selfish and moronic ambition

Matt   February 16th, 2008 4:51 pm ET

Wow, can't get more dirty than that. Are people truly falling for Hillary's lies and flip-flops? It's getting really ugly.

Babe   February 16th, 2008 4:49 pm ET

I wonder how many men chelsea had had. Ooops, like father like daughter or is she a lesbian like mom? Fair question!!!!

John   February 16th, 2008 4:45 pm ET

Say YES to a balanced budget. Say yes to Hillary!

Peter Damoah-Afari   February 16th, 2008 4:45 pm ET

This is a joke!!!!

JJ   February 16th, 2008 4:45 pm ET

Sure, thats what I heard after Super Tuesday. Sounds like more of the same.

Isaac Paul   February 16th, 2008 4:43 pm ET

I truly cannot fathom why anyone would want to support a campaign that utilizes tactics such as ones the Clinton campaign are using now. This article clearly states that everyone agreed to penalize states that didn’t obey the party rules. To me, this is an open and shut case. We shouldn’t even be speaking about this now. We are witnessing that Clinton will do anything in her power to win. These are the calculating and devious tactics that draw many supporters away from her. This is why educated individuals know they cannot trust her. This clearly shows a lack of integrity. All this Superdelegate and reinstatement talk sickens me. I truly hope that the voters in the future primaries are noticing this.

Isaac Paul

Win for Hillary   February 16th, 2008 4:43 pm ET

Go Hillary !!!!

Joy   February 16th, 2008 4:42 pm ET

We can only hope that Ickes is right! Go Hillary Go!

Dick Dumas   February 16th, 2008 4:42 pm ET

First Hillary steals Baracks"Time for Change" now I just see that she has stolen Baracks "Yes we can" slogan for " Yes we will"

Remember that to copy someones elses stuff is the best form of flattery .

Glad you finally admit Barack is BETTER–GO BARACK

Why dont you just pack it in Hilly

Kimo   February 16th, 2008 4:42 pm ET

A desperate attempt by the Clinton camp to sway voters their way.

VA   February 16th, 2008 4:41 pm ET

KEEP DREAMING HILLARY ADVISORS!!!!!!!!

Thomas   February 16th, 2008 4:41 pm ET

Clinton politics continue.

ella   February 16th, 2008 4:40 pm ET

Does the Clinton camp know something we dont….We better watch out….

Kimo   February 16th, 2008 4:40 pm ET

A desperate attempt by the Clinton campaign to sway voters their way.

Barbara-California   February 16th, 2008 4:39 pm ET

Looks to me that this is a new way to make sure one obtains the nomination in spite of how the polulace votes; one obtains consultants before hand (on your campaign payroll); those consultants are made superdelegates; ergo, even if the populace votes for another nominee unanimously, all you do is call on those superdelegates to whom you have given a job and made big promises, and you obtain the nomination.

So much for the Democratic Party…..looks like the 2 party system is on it's way out….this will probably be the last year for this.

"We the people"…….are no longer satisfied by greed………

baldwin   February 16th, 2008 4:34 pm ET

The race will be over on march 4 .
Obama will surprise all the clintons and sweep again.
clintons=NAFTA.

Gabby   February 16th, 2008 4:34 pm ET

I thought the race was going to be over on feb 5th? Now we have a new deadline? Also, my understanding was that Hilary will be ready on DAY 1, but she has not even been able to efficiently manage her campaign, and has made numerous miscalculations since it stated. Is this the person we want to lead the country for the next four years? All we have gotten from her are excuses as to her vote for the war, why her campaign almost derailed etc.

I think Hilary's arogance, and lack of foresight, added with her poor management and organizational styles, resulted in her current situation. The country needs a new direction.

Isaac   February 16th, 2008 4:33 pm ET

I have to ask again. Does the Obama campaign really, truly believe that it is a good idea to completely sideline Michigan and Florida? This can not be good. And lets hold off on all the talk about Clinton trying to steal the election with superdelegates til all the states have voted, ok? Then we can figure out where it all stands and look at the issue without pretending to know the outcome ahead of time. Thanks.

Ms T.   February 16th, 2008 4:32 pm ET

DNC members,

Go ahead and play around if you like. Rules are in place for a reason and if it's a game you want a game it will be. I am a voter and I know I would rather believe that the DNC has some sense of integrity. This thing will blow up and the Republicans will end up back in the White House. I will not vote for any candidate that breaks rules………..

R.M.   February 16th, 2008 4:32 pm ET

Yea, a nominee will be chosen by June.. maybe even May but it will not be Hillary.. Dream on Hillary camp..

Daniel Dushman   February 16th, 2008 4:31 pm ET

The shootings at NIU are certainly tragic, but they helped remind us of the gun control issue. Both Clinton and Obama disappointed me because neither said gun control is a crucial issue. Clinton said that gun control can be dealt with federally, very soon after she criticized Obama for saying can rather than will, on another issue. Obama said local governments can handle the problem. In other words, both of them are backing off from the NRA and its supporters. I doubt that McCain would do otherwise.

Gaby   February 16th, 2008 4:31 pm ET

The agreement to not campaign in those states was broken, so why should Florida and Michigan count or be seated?

Suziku   February 16th, 2008 4:31 pm ET

Hillary seems to think that "changing" the rules to suit her is fair, after the Democratic Party agreed NOT to count certain states and considering that she ignored the party and still remained on the ballot, the "only" one on the ballot, the only person who campaigned, she now wants to change the rules, this is dishonest and divisive, seems to be typical of both she and her husband. She thinks she can win by deceipt and cheating. She'll say or do anything to get elected, doesn't say much for her character.

Scott   February 16th, 2008 4:30 pm ET

This disgusts me

Now that Clinton is losing she wants to get Michigan and Florida counted. She more or less cheated in those primaries. People who wanted to vote for Obama didn't get the chance to because his name wasn't on the ballot.

Those states should remain as they are, with their delegates not counting.

She also wants the superdelegates to vote for what is best for the party. This boggles my mind, she may as well say that they should ignore what the people wanted and vote for her.

Think people, if she is willing to cast aside the popular vote and take the candidacy based on the decision of the superdelegates, do you really want her running this country?

She is slapping democracy in the face.

Chris   February 16th, 2008 4:30 pm ET

If Clinton wins solely on the Super delegate count, I will vote for McCain. I don't think the Democrats realize what harm they are going to cause if the popular vote goes to Obama yet they choose Clinton based on her "Insider" status. Lets hear it for another 4 years of Rebulican Rule!!!!!
sigh………..

James D.   February 16th, 2008 4:30 pm ET

Whoever has the most pledged delegates should receive the nomination. Period. Anything else is a BETRAYAL.

That Hillary Clinton is *ON THE RECORD* in Iowa stating that Michigan and Florida should *NOT* count. That she and MANY of her superdelegate friends supported the DNC policies and decision at the time…yet now have a change of heart due to circumstances that do not benefit them is just another example of how utterly devoid of integrity they are.

Also…it's becoming increasing challenging for me to consider myself a democrat. The party is revealing its "darkside". If Hillary wins the most pledged delegates…then she deserves the nomination. If she does not EARN the most pledged delegates, she does not. It really *is* that simple. If the DNC allows this nomination to be *stolen*, I will abandon the democratic party. Forever.

Michigan500   February 16th, 2008 4:30 pm ET

Oh groan. The Clinton's want this to go on and on until they find the right mix of lies and distortion to destroy the one political inspiration this country hasn't seen in ages and probably won't again any time soon. How admirable is that? If the Clintons destroy Sen. Obama, this registered Democrat becomes an Independent and will NOT transfer my Obama vote to Clinton.

The more I see and read of these people the more disgusted I get and I hope alot of other Americans are becoming as fed up too. Their greed for power is nauseating.

aware   February 16th, 2008 4:29 pm ET

As Pat Buchanan says, Barack would never get away with all this "mushy stuff" in the general election if he became the nominee. Also, new stats give Hillary the edge in the general election swing states.

It isn't over people. Hillary, the best candidate for president, will win inspite of media bias and obamamania. Hillary has what it takes to work across the aisle to get things done. Vote for solutions over syrupy rhetoric!

Hillary the HOPE of 08

aware   February 16th, 2008 4:28 pm ET

As Pat Buchan says, Barack would never get away with all this "mushy stuff" in the general election if he became the nominee. Also, new stats give Hillary the edge in the general election swing states.

It isn't over people. Hillary, the best candidate for president, will win inspite of media bias and obamamania. Hillary has what it takes to work across the aisle to get things done. Vote for solutions over syrupy rhetoric!

Hillary the HOPE of 08

bob   February 16th, 2008 4:28 pm ET

Sound like wishful thinking to me and wanting it both ways, naturally Mr. Ickes flip- flop on seating of deligates from Michigan and Flordia comes as no surprise to anyone, after all he was a member of Bill Clinton's white house and one of the few who hasn't yet abandon ship.

Blayze Kohime, Columbus OH   February 16th, 2008 4:28 pm ET

Didn't her advisers also tell us she was going to win Maine for sure?

Jay in Ohio   February 16th, 2008 4:27 pm ET

Ummmm, ok. If you say so. I think Obama and the voters will have something to say about that however.

John Ferry   February 16th, 2008 4:27 pm ET

I"m a fair minded democrat with a little yelllow dog, who considers most republicans as delusional sheep will be extremely upset if the Clintons win the nomination unfairly.

If that happens, John McCain will get my vote.

Zein   February 16th, 2008 4:27 pm ET

Now they declare themselves are Winners ? Wow Shouldnt the public make a choice ? It sounds to me like they are trying to bribe !

Dave in Florida   February 16th, 2008 4:27 pm ET

Ickes admits to taking states for granted by not paying attention to them. Just like they took Wisconsin for granted by going directly to Texas after the Potomac primaries.

They've mismanaged over $100 million in donations to where she had to loan her campaign $5 million. She's asked for the resignations of her campaign manager and her deputy.

Now Bilary is trying to steal the election through the superdelegates. We won't allow his to happen. There will be an uprising and outcry if Obama does'nt get the nomination. The Clinton Machine will try to win at all costs, They'd rather see a Republican win if Hilary is not the nominee.

OBAMA IN 08!!!!

Robyn   February 16th, 2008 4:26 pm ET

Same cast of characters that we do not need back in the White House…Ickes, Clintons and all the baggage from the past.

Americans need a change that we can believe in and that Sen. Obama. We are so tired of the bi-partisan gridlock that is part of the Clinton's legacy which they are now fighting so hard to bring back.

America wants a change that is why 23/50 states have favored Obama's message!
Hillary is running for president of the Traditionally Blue Democratic States o America and for president of the Superdelegates.

Obama for president of the UNITED States of America and for the PEOPLE!!!

America, thank you, continue to TURN THE PAGE!!

Pisces from Minneapolis   February 16th, 2008 4:26 pm ET

Error in the article" Obama was on the Florida ballot.

Pisces from Minneapolis   February 16th, 2008 4:25 pm ET

Obama sent out an email encouraging supporters to email superdelegates with their "stories". Superdelegates are legitimate delegates! Shame on you Nancy Pelosi for saying they shoud vote with their states. That says that the most important thing is for the elected members of the superdelegation to get reelected, not to do the right thing. Hillary can win the swing states, Obama cannot. Hasn't anyone heard of the electoral college?

Jenny   February 16th, 2008 4:25 pm ET

I probably won't get my comment posted because of your bias, but I have watched Ballot Bowl and I am sick to my stomach of your coverage of Barack Hussein Obama and so little of Hillary Clinton. You did a piece about sexism and racism. You don't mind being sexist but please don't let yourself be even slightly hinted of being racist. What is your problem CNN. By the way Jack Cafferty remilnds me of a fingernail rubbing across a blackboard spewing venom out both sides of his mouth. He needs to invest in a smart looking toupee. He's following Obama too closely.

jer   February 16th, 2008 4:24 pm ET

Talk is cheap. That's a bold statement by the Clinton campaign represented by Harold Ickes that they will be ahead in delegates by June 7 by counting super delegates. The only way he could know super delegates will give Hillary their support is through some underhanded activity. To all the people sending in your hard earned money to this campaign just be aware that it could be going to super delegates.
More of the same Washington politics.

Allen   February 16th, 2008 4:23 pm ET

The attempt to seat the Michigan and Florida delegates after EVERYONE, including Hillary Clinton, agreed that these two states should be penalized for violating party instructions, is a sure sign of desperation by the Clinton campaign. Always trying to change the playing the rules. Shameful.

wooha3   February 16th, 2008 4:23 pm ET

Ickes voted to penalize Michigan and Florida, now wants to change his vote. What has happened to democracy? How can he even admit to this?
The Clintons ignored the caucus states because it is too difficult to arrange voter fraud when every vote is represented by a voter who can be seen and counted by everyone in attendance.

Sandra   February 16th, 2008 4:22 pm ET

No, it will be over soon than that. YES WE CAN! Obama '08

Rosario   February 16th, 2008 4:22 pm ET

Clinton's camp is applying all its forces, real and symbolic, to get the nomination. But her nomination will be the end of the democratic party since M. Bloomberg will attract Obama's voters to his bid.

Farrell, Houston, Tx   February 16th, 2008 4:22 pm ET

This is nothing more than an arrogant attempt to ignore the vote of the people which is not going to fly. Obama urges all his supporters there is still more work to be done before he claims the nomination which certainly is in contrast to Hillary. Again, the Clintons prove themselves untrustworthy and will do and say the unspeakable as it fits them. Vote Obama, the peoples choice.

Efe Igbide   February 16th, 2008 4:21 pm ET

This surely reminds me of Africa. The Clintons honestly are not honorable loosers. They spin everything just for the greed of power. I used to think they call Nelson Mandela their hero. Mandela spent one term (4 years) in power and decided not to run for second term. Bilary has spent 8 years in power. They should just "CHILL"

LinnieFB   February 16th, 2008 4:21 pm ET

Ickes — another flip-flopping Clintonite.

Kris In Atlanta   February 16th, 2008 4:20 pm ET

Now this is truly sad, reminiscent of the year 2000 debacle. Florida and Michigan should never have been stripped of their delegates in the first place. And for Hillary and her crew to flip flop at this stage shows an overwhelming lack of integrity. And considering no actual campaigning was done by other candidates, the only solution would be to allow campaigning now-not automatically award Hillary anything-and then ensure that these two crucial states' voters are not overlooked and their votes counted.

Mark   February 16th, 2008 4:20 pm ET

Sure, let's just skip the primaries and the general election and hand over the Presidency to Hillary. We can't wait for socialized health care. I'm really scared that she will take the best health care system in the world and reduce it to a third world joke that will end up costing trillions.

carol   February 16th, 2008 4:20 pm ET

You go girl, Fight like hell and show that racist for what he is, full of hot air. For some reason he thinks the whole worlds needs to be inspired . No Thanks, I am not voting on a President , to inspire me. I am looking for a President that has a brain with some experence and that would not be Obama. Bush was enought , but everyone thought he was the best candidate to have a beer with, Thats how some idoits pick Presidents. I hope the Democrats are smarter than those stupid Republicans. Look at our country. They also cheated to get there, shame on them. Maybe It will come back to haunt them.

Hillary or McCain

Maureen Burke   February 16th, 2008 4:20 pm ET

The Clinton campaign will get those FL and MI delegates at their peril. That is the most outrageous tactic to win an election ever–sickening.

OBAMA 08   February 16th, 2008 4:20 pm ET

Another indication of the Clinton machine going down hill: talking glibberish!!!

U.S. Army Vet.   February 16th, 2008 4:19 pm ET

More games by the Clinton campaign.

Debo   February 16th, 2008 4:18 pm ET

All of the Clinton mouthpieces including themselves are talking a lot of hot air. Threats, promises, slander, it's Bush all over again. Really, is this what we want for the next 4 years?

Please get some fresh air from these tired wind bags.

Laurie Notaro   February 16th, 2008 4:17 pm ET

Clinton's camp really needs to close their pie holes and try to start taking a higher road. I was an Edwards supporter, and after his decision to quit the race, I liked Clinton and Obama equally. With all of the sniping coming from Clinton's advisors and campaign, however, it has inspired me to look closer at Obama and I can honestly say he now has my vote in the primaries (and I just bought an Obama T-shirt to seal the deal). What the Clinton campaign will successfully accomplish is cause a sharp agitation between the supporters of the two candidates–when what we really need to do is chose who will represent us the best and not begin taking sides like this was a high school squabble. I am a registered, tried and true Democrat, but I swear, this backbiting is proving the Republicans right about us, and that is making me sick. Ickes just exemplifies why we need to abolish super delegates altogether; that system is subversive.

gman   February 16th, 2008 4:16 pm ET

I thought the nomination was suppose to be locked up on Super Tuesday for Billary. We keep hearing this thing about FL and MI delegates. The deal is their delegates will not be seated PERIOD. Hillary can't claim anything because all she won was a big fat zero. Now if the Dems want to lose the GE, try to sit those canidates and steal this from Obama. You will lose every Obama voter…and that's a fact. Every Anybody But Clinton will come out….and the Dems will lose tne GE. Yu need to open your eyes and understand what's real.

Jabari   February 16th, 2008 4:16 pm ET

If they allow the current results from Florida and Michigan to stand, I will lose all faith in the political process and move to France.

David   February 16th, 2008 4:15 pm ET

More arrogance from an incompetant campaign. How do you lose a 20 – 40 % lead? Well, you ignore caucus states, then you alienate the voters, you ignore a few of the smaller states, then you make blunder after blunder in the word wars, and to top it off, when you take a hit in Iowa, you take 8 weeks to start to pull it together, maybe.

You know… it would take the demographics of a Hillary voter to actually vote for Hillary. (let it sit a while, it'll come to you).

Democrat   February 16th, 2008 4:15 pm ET

If Hillary tries to win this nomination by overturning the peoples will, she will destroy the democratic party. I'm not sure about her tactics lately and I wish she would release her tax returns.

Matt   February 16th, 2008 4:13 pm ET

I'll never vote for another Democrat again, if Sen. Clinton tries to steal the election.

Catherine   February 16th, 2008 4:13 pm ET

Please don't make incorrect statements. Obama and Edwards were also on the BALLOT in FLORIDA. I should know. I voted.

Eric   February 16th, 2008 4:12 pm ET

You gotta be kidding me. She's losing ground every day with the voters, Obama's cutting into her base, and her money train left the station without her. Trying to change the election narrative with this talk about June is just silly. She keeps pushing back the date when she becomes competitive again, without acknowledging that she can't possibly catch up now! Come on, let it go with some dignity, Hillary. And please don't try to take the entire Democratic Party down with you, kicking and screaming.

Obama '08

Obama supporter   February 16th, 2008 4:11 pm ET

Umm, I think it will be much sooner than that if she keeps it up!

Anonymous   February 16th, 2008 4:11 pm ET

Oh yeah….

Manuel Gonzales   February 16th, 2008 4:11 pm ET

I sure hope so..
Our country doesn't have time to "train" a rookie politician.
With Iran, China, Russia, and the whole middle eastern problems we will need an experienced politician at the helm.
One who can handle foreign as well as domestic issues, and I can think of no one more qualified than Hillary Clinton….
People think she is cold and calculating……Well, good !!! If that is what she is then she will make a good president.

Dan   February 16th, 2008 4:11 pm ET

I love when people delay the inevitable.

Daniel DeLeo   February 16th, 2008 4:11 pm ET

Flat wrong CNN… I expect a correction and will be watching,

"Hillary Clinton won the primaries in both Florida and Michigan, where she was the only major Democratic candidate to appear on the ballot."

In fact, in Florida where I live they all appeared on the ballot and she won by a lot. Only in Michigan were the other names removed from the ballot and that was by the canbdidtates own choice.

Florida had record tuen out and I want my vote to count…Beware alientaing Floridians in the general.

marianne Selnes   February 16th, 2008 4:10 pm ET

Hallo.

I'm a woman from Norway, Oslo, and following the Clinton-campaign from here.
We in Norway follow the USA election 2008, and are devided in who should run for President. But the politicians in the House of Representatives are mostly for Hillary Clinton. And So am I.

Hillary Clinton for presidency.

Best regards

Marianne Selnes
Oslo, Norway.

curtiswalker   February 16th, 2008 4:09 pm ET

Clinton will not do a "George Bush" on Democrats and steal the election via FLORIDA !

Democrats will not stand for it!

Plus, now that she is leaving Wisconsin early (before the vote) it looks like her MATH is telling her she is gonna loose that state, too!

J from DAHOUSE   February 16th, 2008 4:09 pm ET

Not so fast. I wouldn't be so cocky. This is the same campaign that planned on having the nom by Super Tuesday. Also, just in case you haven't noticed your girl is trialing in Texas by six. Last I check Texas was a must win. If anything Obama will have this wrapped up by March 5th. Obama has ran a well organized campaign and Clinton has done just the opposite. But who knows? She may just pull out a win in Texas. If she wins Texas, Pa. and Ohio then she probably will be the nom. But first she has to win Texas.

A Stronger America '08

Rob   February 16th, 2008 4:08 pm ET

Yeah, that's what Giuliani said…..

tonyp   February 16th, 2008 4:08 pm ET

Hilary is actually very weak even thru all her pretense, she can never win anything on her own merit instead of always putting someone down.

Anonymous   February 16th, 2008 4:06 pm ET

a shining example of hillary's campaign hypocrisy. voting to penalize florida and michigan last year, and now suddenly begging those states to seat the disputed delegates. obama will take her and her cronies to the cleaners.

Papa Roach   February 16th, 2008 4:06 pm ET

Every time the Clinton campaign tries these old win by any means necessary tactics it weighs heavily on the voters like a pile of crap over and over again… same old politics and same old tricks. We already saw this movie and we knows how it ends.

It's time to turn the page.

school teacher   February 16th, 2008 4:05 pm ET

Obama has some of the rudest supporters I have ever seen. I never heard of a woman being attacked and lied on like they have Hillary. You better not count your chickens before they hatch. You haven't won yet.

Cathy   February 16th, 2008 4:05 pm ET

Excuse me but Obama's name was on the Florida State Ballot. The race is not over yet. Chill out Obama

ben   February 16th, 2008 4:05 pm ET

Is Ickes,a superdelegate and Hillary backer, indirectly telling us Hillary is going to win regardless what the majority of democrats want?
He voted to eliminate Florida and Michigan, and now he insists their delegates should be counted.
Don't you think it strange, Hillary was the only candidate on the ballot.?
Did she know before hand this under handed ploy was to be played?
Maaybe she did, and maybe not, but it looks very very suspicious!!!!!!!!!!
The other candidates took the dnc at their word. Now democrats can't even trust democrats.

Jake, California   February 16th, 2008 4:05 pm ET

No Ickes,
June is too far. Once Texas, Ohio and Pennsylvania say no to Hillary and Bill like it was done in DC, Virginia, Maryland etc there will be nothing much left of her…hang in there!

Nicholas from Nigeria   February 16th, 2008 4:04 pm ET

Any right thinking superdeligate ought to vote the popular choice of the people. It will be endangering the chance of having democrat in whitehouse if superdelegates vote against the popular choice of people who will vote to determine who wins the presidency. Superdelegates should know that general election does not make them super. Being super is limited to the primaries alone.

Obama 08.

Trev   February 16th, 2008 4:04 pm ET

Obama is talking out of both ends of his mouth on superdelegates. He does not want them to trump the will of the voters. But… he wants to keep those superdelegates who support him in areas voting for Clinton (like Senators Kennedy and Kerry). What will he do when Hillary has more people who voted for her. My guess is he will tell people to ignore the will of the voters and vote based on the number of states he won. Hillary has been consistent on the superdelegates from day one. I know that is hard for Clinton haters to take, but it is true. I am still voting for SOLUTIONS.

Bein Careful   February 16th, 2008 4:03 pm ET

If she "nails" it by June that will make my decision real easy in November! McCain as the lesser of two evils.

Judith   February 16th, 2008 4:03 pm ET

If the DNC hands Clinton the delegates from Florida and Michigan, and does not go with the will of the people, I for one will never vote for another Democratic… If they do not give it too Obama based on votes he has won, then I pray Obama will run as an Independant for the office. I know I will write his name in for the November vote, and I hope many others feel the same way…. So Mr. Dean should remember the American voters, we are watching this carefully…..

Roger Marco Island Florida   February 16th, 2008 4:02 pm ET

Hillary's , advisers are incorrect . the race is actually over now ,the more she opens her mouth the deeper she digs her own grave . One lie after another , reminds us of the year's she and her husband were in the White House . She has been trained by Bill too lie, deceive , cheat, squander ,and put a spin on any truth she does not like .
We are tired of all they're crap. It's really time for change ,something NEW , totally remove the old political machines starting fresh with new younger , and fresh ideas politicians .

Bova   February 16th, 2008 4:02 pm ET

What is wrong with Mr. Ickes , He voted last year to penalize Michigan and Florida and now he want to change the rule. Is this not the kind of washington politics that Mr Obama is talking about?

Kris K.   February 16th, 2008 4:01 pm ET

Clintons the only way you can win now is if you cheat. You are good at that. Americans who vote-wake up! They can't run a quality campaign. You expect better results with the Nation? That is too much of a risk.
dogshowkris
Rancho Murieta,CA

Cph9680   February 16th, 2008 4:01 pm ET

Well, if Mr. Ickes is so confident, then I should console myself with being forced to vote for John McCain

Heath, Bronx, NY   February 16th, 2008 4:01 pm ET

Nice try Mr. Ickes, but the American people are speaking. Apparently you have not been listening. 8 in a row.

Why would I vote for someone who cannot even run their campaign effectively to run the country???

White, female boomer for Obama   February 16th, 2008 4:01 pm ET

What about the voters who did not vote as they believed that the DNC would follow the rules and that the delegates would not count coupled with the fact, after agreeing with the ruling, Hillary Clinton advertised prior to the election that she would have the delegates seated and would be having a rally after the polls closed. This resulted in a very strong Clinton turnout in the final hours of voting.

A nominee in a democracy, a form of gov't based on rules, should win fairly and following the rules he or she agreed to. Who really wants a nominee who "slimes" her/his way onto office?

Lisa- NC   February 16th, 2008 4:01 pm ET

I agree that the race will be over by June because Obama is now locked into a couple of debates with Hillary and he can't beat her with his one liners. A month ago he was likened to Martin Luther King, a few weeks ago he became Kennedy like according to Caroline Kennedy. Last week a local black radio station said he was Jesus like. Well if thats the case , maybe by time he has to debate he can walk on water.
Lisa
NC

Brendan Crotty   February 16th, 2008 4:00 pm ET

" Yes we can" "Yes we HOPE we can" It's all smoke and mirrors Barack.

Ben   February 16th, 2008 4:00 pm ET

Real democracy is when the people speak and not politicians. Desperation seems to be setting into the Clinton camp.

Dave   February 16th, 2008 4:00 pm ET

I wonder what it's like to live in Hillaryland? Is Santa a super delegate?

These people are so out of touch with reality that they just don't get it. One of the reasons the American people are draw to Barack Obama is because we are so tired of the politics or personal distruction tactics that have dominated the Bush/Clinton era. The say anything, pander to everyone, do anything attitude of both families and their supporters needs to end – this Country is not supposed to be a monarchy run by two families and their court jesters like Karl Rove and Harold Ickes for over 30 years.

sally   February 16th, 2008 4:00 pm ET

I do not know who the primary winner will be but I will admit this process has been undemocratic, a sham and a shame. The DEm. nominee should be chosen by Democrats only in closed primaries. We should not have independents or republicans making the choice. Also, how do you disenfranchise millions of people in Florida and mIchigan whose votes we need in the General Election? And to top it off, the MSM has had a very negative and deceptive role in all of this. Howard Dean and Donna Brazile should be fired for destroying the party and ennabling and encouraging the MSM in bashing our democratic candidates.

Rob   February 16th, 2008 3:58 pm ET

Harold Ickes has about as much credibilty as Hugo Chavez in our country. I guess Clintons will hire the slime of the earth to help run their campaign. He voted for the delegates to be withdrawn from Florida but now that it could benefit him, he flips flops. This is why Clinton is getting trounced. It's all about integrity which they lack in spades.

Lillian Simmons   February 16th, 2008 3:58 pm ET

Texans are opposed to the Trans Texas Corridor by a landslide. CNN needs to ask Obama and Clinton why the Governor of Texas does not listen to Texans on the Trans-Texas Corridor. Both parties' platforms are opposed to it, and independents are universally opposed.

Tim C   February 16th, 2008 3:58 pm ET

Oh yeah, it'll be over in June. It just won't be the result they've been hoping for. By the way, this comment — by "one of Hillary Clinton’s senior advisers" — perfectly illustrates the arrogance of the Clinton campaign.

citizen_c   February 16th, 2008 3:57 pm ET

In the previous article, Bill was trying to make the case that Obama is ignoring HIS legacy. I thought Hillary was running on her own merits. She SAID that she was running on her own merits and that we the voters should decide based on those. Can someone please explain to me how she can do that while taking credit for what Bill did?

And if it is the case that she can take credit for his presidency, doesn't it also follow that she should take credit for his failures as president as well? This is just crazy. You can't have it both ways.

Obama was right on the mark. Which Clinton is he running against?

Audrey   February 16th, 2008 3:57 pm ET

Hillary Clinton is so wrong and underhanded to try to the delegates to overturn their first decision. They knew the rules from the beginning and it should be followed to the end. I know she wants to be the one chosen to run for President, but she wants to break the rules to do it. What is she going to do if she is President and how can we trust her?

Ilse Leiker   February 16th, 2008 3:57 pm ET

yeah….OK. Hillary's reaching again…

Cyndi   February 16th, 2008 3:56 pm ET

My guess: if the candidates had been allowed to campaign, it would have been Hillary up 10% in Florida, and Obama up 15% in Michigan.

So, it would still be a tie.

Jeff an Independent   February 16th, 2008 3:56 pm ET

Well, isn't that more of the same? As a voter in one of the states that has its primary in June, we'll be working our tails off to insure that she gets NONE of our pledged delegates. The closer to Denver this gets, the WORSE not better this will get for her.

All this statement says, is "We'll run this to the end if it destroys the party." Well, Hillary, bring it on.

Sly in Seattle   February 16th, 2008 3:56 pm ET

First Ickes said the Florida and Michigan delegates should not be seated, and then after Hillary has lost 8 in a row he things they should count…

do-anything-say-anything tactics
come on… same old politics

OBAMA 08!

Steve TX   February 16th, 2008 3:56 pm ET

Right!! Hey, Hillary, just stay tough, focused, and forge ahead with your real message of change and hope. We're counting on you and backing you up all the way to the White House. (Barack and Michelle may have coronated themselves just a bit prematurely, don't y'all think?)

Brian   February 16th, 2008 3:54 pm ET

I keep looking at the number of pledged delegates up for grabs. With the lead in pledged delegates that Obama has, she's going to have to pull off a miracle to catch up. The 60-40 split in New Jersey only gave her 15 more delegates than it gave him, and that was one of the largest states. He's ahead by 124 pledged delegates right now. That's a very substantial lead.

observer#1   February 16th, 2008 3:54 pm ET

Why does CNN keep all of my comments in moderation? Is it because I am a Hillary supporter? Many Hillary supporters notice this, what is with it?

Satch   February 16th, 2008 3:53 pm ET

Hillary and the Clinton campaign are delusional. They have no idea what kind of a beating they are in for next month.
Keeping smoking that good stuff Hill & try to inhale as deep as possible.

Obama 08’

Peter   February 16th, 2008 3:53 pm ET

Hillary 08 – she represents the American that makes sense.

chevy   February 16th, 2008 3:53 pm ET

of course he wants them seated! she will get the lead! IF SHE GETS THE NOMINATION WE WILL ALL KNOW DEMOCRACY IS DEAD!

mary   February 16th, 2008 3:52 pm ET

Be careful Hillary, I think I read where Obama is trying to buy superdelegates. IS THAT FAIR?
I hope you win Hillary or I will vote for McCain.

C. LaMar   February 16th, 2008 3:52 pm ET

"Ickes voted last year to penalize Michigan and Florida — who moved their primary votes up in violation of party instructions — to seat their delegation at the party’s nominating convention this summer. On Saturday, he said both states’ delegations should be seated, and the results of those contests should stand. "

SAME OLD POLITICS…

Leslie   February 16th, 2008 3:51 pm ET

First it was Super Tuesday, and it would be done. Then it was March 4 and it would be done…now it won't be done till June? So let me get this straight…Ickes votes against seating the delegates last year, but now when his candidate has to have those delegates to win, he thinks they should count?…and wasn't it only yesterday that Hillary said that the votes from the caucuses didn't really represent the voice of the people? You would think that these supposedly intelligent folks would know that the public can see through such flagrant hypocracy, wouldn't you?

James of Indiana   February 16th, 2008 3:51 pm ET

I am outraged by the Clinton campaign's advocacy of including election results from Michigan and Florida. Senator Clinton's desire to win has blinded her to fairness, party rules, her former commitments, or party health.

As a committed Democrat, I believe that each candidate should wage as competitive and aggressive campaign as possible. However, I expect that to be done with integrity and fairness. It seem to me that the Clinton campaign is willing to risk irreparably damaging the party, if it will get her the nomination. My sense is that should Hilliary Clinton loose the nomination, she will run as an independent. I am starting to worry that her goals no longer conform to those of the democratic Party.

Nic   February 16th, 2008 3:51 pm ET

Mr Ickes, that's clear hypocrisy my man.

RP   February 16th, 2008 3:51 pm ET

Lemme see… she lost the last eight caucuses and primaries and is all but certain to lose the next two on Tuesday. Her lead in Texas is evaporating and may in fact already have been reversed and this guys is talking about wrapping it up for her? What is he smoking?

Prashant   February 16th, 2008 3:50 pm ET

I am horified by Ickes' shamelessness in asking for Michigan and Florida to be seated when he once voted to disallow them. Just because it is now Hillary that needs them, he has totally thrown all sense of fairness to the winds and flipped his opinion.

I hope voters will speak for a new dawn in politics and reject such dishonesty by people like Ickes

observer#1   February 16th, 2008 3:50 pm ET

Obama wants to call this election now because he is falling out of the protective hands of the Care Bears Inc" that have been trying to hype up a man we know little about. It's like he just one day fell out of the air and into a Presidential race. As far as Florida, he ran ads on tv , he took over $3 million worth of campaign money out of Florida. How dare he not want the voices of millions in Florida heard. He also got over $800,000 campaign money from Michigan. They are citizens of the USA , they went out and voted and their voice should be heard. These two states votes were more appropriate than caucus votes. Florida and Michigan are as much America as any of the other states, count them .

Louis   February 16th, 2008 3:49 pm ET

The PEOPLE will nail it down. Whether the PEOPLE decide if its Clinton or Obama, the PEOPLE will decide who nails it down.

Jim in Orlando   February 16th, 2008 3:48 pm ET

So, according to Ickes, Hillary will win it with superdelegates, and the number of states that Obama wins is irrelevent. I think the Republicans are hoping that both Ickes and Bill Clinton keep talking ! In fact, please do not shut-up ! You would appear to be the gifts that keep giving … to McCain !

Barack Obama Supporter from Lawrence Kansas   February 16th, 2008 3:47 pm ET

How can Ickes vote to strip the delegates from Michigan and Florida before the primary season began, and now say he wants them to be seated?

I smell day old, rotten fish.

Citizen   February 16th, 2008 3:47 pm ET

Ickes is on crack. He is one double talking mofo.

jamal   February 16th, 2008 3:47 pm ET

"Ickes voted last year to penalize Michigan and Florida". So the now they are losing want to change the rules. Billary being Billary. Bush=Billary.

Simon   February 16th, 2008 3:46 pm ET

Ha ha! Good one Harold!! That was tooo funny! The race is going to be over March 4th when Obama wins Texas AND Ohio. You heard it here first folks.

Thanks for the laugh though, Harold. Good stuff.

Oregon Voter   February 16th, 2008 3:46 pm ET

Um, Obama's name was on the Florida primary. I love how CNN tries to pretend that he removed his name from Michigan AND Florida. Nice way to misrepresent the facts…

Sarah   February 16th, 2008 3:46 pm ET

Yeah, right!!!!

mike d.   February 16th, 2008 3:46 pm ET

not so fast hillary!

Heather Peterson   February 16th, 2008 3:44 pm ET

Wow, she's determined. I cannot tell, however, if the determination stems from personal ambition or love of country. I will wager for the former.

What's up with this lame knock-off slogan "Yes We Will"? Is she kidding? She will stop at nothing and divide her own party in the process.

Joe   February 16th, 2008 3:44 pm ET

Suprise suprise. Now the Hillary staff is flip-flopping because their candidate is losing. The power-hungry Clintons will do anything to win, including destroying the Democratic party.

For the people of Texas and Ohio, I urge you to vote Obama to put an end to this potential, crippling effect the Clintons are performing.

Anonymous   February 16th, 2008 3:43 pm ET

It is no good deal at all.

Joanne   February 16th, 2008 3:43 pm ET

I am so tired of the Clintons…this is not a campaign to them but a coronation. By the way, why is cnn covering Bill Clinton so much…let's hear more from Michele Obama. My great concern from the Clintons is the role of Bill in the White House…ITS PRETTY BLEURY.

"Yes we can"   February 16th, 2008 3:43 pm ET

Before making ant decision, Superdelegates must compare their stance with that of voters.

proud Canadian   February 16th, 2008 3:43 pm ET

It is sad to see how desperate the Clintons and their supporters are getting. Last year everyone agrees to penalize Michigan and Flordia by not allowing their delegates to count and now that the Clintons are losing in the race and losing their support by the day, they now think the delegates in these two states should count. This is pathetic and hopefully everyone can see through this desperation.

Shenehneh from Chappaqua   February 16th, 2008 3:42 pm ET

Miss Hillary, Puh-Leaseeee girl! Now you know very well that this democratic race will be over and done by next month! In addition to finding your voice, you should buy a clue.. or a vowel… or something! Have you ever heard of a reality check? It's kind of like a reality show.. except.. instead of checking out others, you check yourself before you wreck yourself! Love always, Shenehneh from Chappaqua

Greg Janso   February 16th, 2008 3:42 pm ET

Just saw a video on CNN of Mrs. Clinton attempting to lead her audience in a chant of "Yes we will."

Sounds vaguely familiar.

Greg Janso   February 16th, 2008 3:41 pm ET

Just saw a video on CNN of Mrs. Clinton attempting to lead her audience in a chant of "Yes we will."

Sounds vaguely familiar.

Grif   February 16th, 2008 3:40 pm ET

Gemini or bust! Keep climbing girl.

Matt G.   February 16th, 2008 3:40 pm ET

I agree that Michigan and Florida should play a role, Split their delgates evenly, this gives both candidates the oportunity to reach the magic number prior to the convention.

Citizen Kaye   February 16th, 2008 3:39 pm ET

Even when she's screwing up all over the place, Clinton still manages to be annoyingly arrogant. Amazing. Doesn't she realize that no one except her still believes she is entitled to the presidency?

Tracey   February 16th, 2008 3:39 pm ET

I am so frustrated with the Clinton political machine. Obama is being forced to campaign against Hillary, Bill, and Chelsea, not to mention the republicans. I don't think Hillary can bring about change. She is just going to continue promote the same old partisan politics as usual. It's time for a change!

MAL   February 16th, 2008 3:39 pm ET

I jsut don't understand what leaders in democratic party is doing. I myself a democrat but I might vote for McCain if DNC shows that they don't go by rules. It looks like democrats are in primary forgetting that there is a general election in November. If Florida and Michigan votes considered in selecting the candidates as is , waht it shows is that whenever necessary democrats don't go by rules. Good point for McCain for November. Also if Florida and Michigan seated and their result decide the candidate for democrat, it shows that there is no use of being law abinding citizen. It is a slap for all the citizens who voted legally. Finally USA becomes a laughing stock in the world. because those whi did something wrong decides the presidential candidate for democrats. I think McCain will use this point as well. I am tired of this drama. It is OK for Florida and Michigan to have another vote. But not the one they had without major democratic candidate. ANYways it looks like Democrats going to be doomed if Clinton get nominated by considering michigan and florida votes. I guess rather than fighting for the rights of people who voted, democrats in Florida and Michigan should consider how to save the face of the party. I am pretty sure voters will not mind go again and cast their vote in a legal ballot.

La Raza   February 16th, 2008 3:39 pm ET

That's her advisor's job. Sounds good.

Marc, WSU   February 16th, 2008 3:38 pm ET

Hindsight is always 20/20.

Joe   February 16th, 2008 3:38 pm ET

Thank you CNN for pointing out the hipocrasy in Mr. Ickes statement. He voted for penalizing Florida and Michigan last year but is now in favor of seating their delgates.

Two additional points for this article:

1. Obama and Edwards weren't even on the ballot in Michigan… Because ALL of the candidates agreed not to campaign there (and he kept his word).

2. Many people in Florida have reported that they did not show up to their primaries because many people didn't think the results would count for the Presidential election. Of the people who did vote, the voters who voted 1 month early selected Clinton, but polls showed that thos who voted within a month of the primary selected Obama. Why? Because that was after his wins in Iowa, his close call in NH and NV, and his landslide in SC.

Charlie   February 16th, 2008 3:37 pm ET

It is absolutely outrageous that Ickes is trying to change the rules in the middle of the game — especially rules that he voted for! If Clinton wins the nomination only by seating Florida and Michigan delegates that were not validly chosen according to party rules that she (and Ickes) supported last fall, a lot of D's like me are going to sit on their hands during the campaign. Don't these people have any integrity?

carmen   February 16th, 2008 3:37 pm ET

There are two types of polticians: the self-serving, ambitious politician who uses the votes of simple minds to achieve power and the politician who empowers people to work together to achieve the best for the country: HRC embodies the first type and Sen. Obama the second one. DNC, what is the best for this country? The American people know it already, do you?

DC Wuol, Colorado Springs, Colorado   February 16th, 2008 3:36 pm ET

I wish the DNC has to scrap the system of Superdelegates. I'm a voter and I don't want any party to trash my vote.

Liziman   February 16th, 2008 3:36 pm ET

Please read!

"Ickes voted last year to penalize Michigan and Florida — who moved their primary votes up in violation of party instructions — to seat their delegation at the party’s nominating convention this summer. On Saturday, he said both states’ delegations should be seated, and the results of those contests should stand. Hillary Clinton won the primaries in both Florida and Michigan, where she was the only major Democratic candidate to appear on the ballot".

Is this America of 2008? Are these people democrates? Wow! Big liars! Obama 2008

Gary   February 16th, 2008 3:36 pm ET

I think Ickes backtracking on the seating of Florida/Michigan delegates is a sign of desperation. All the candidates agreed to abide with the DNC's decision to penalize the states for moving up their primaries. The blame for this mess goes to Florida's and Michigan's refusal to hold their primaries as directed by DNC. The DNC should be making this decision as the primaries are used to determine a NATIONAL Presidential nominee. What i liked about the GOP's handling of this issue is the penalty they imposed. They agreed to reduce the respective states penalty to 1/2 their original allotment of delegates. This alowed for the continuance of a meaningful primary as well as the ability for the candidates to campaign and yet penalize and seat some of those states delegates. The Dems have a major dilemma on their hands. It is hard to have some group disenfranchised with their redress. The primaries have essentially boiled down to the superdelegates. Which is another dilemma for the Dems. To date the superdelegates who have supported one of the candidates have not reflected the same desire or will of the people, as reflected by their pledged delegates process. YIKES!!! This disconnect will be a major source of problems for the Dems. What should be the criteria for the superdelegates. Most states won ? Most popular vote ? Most pledged delegates ? Whom they see as beating the GOP at the general election ? Whom would make the best Presidential candidate ? Other ? All of the above ? YIKES !!! What is equally disturbing is that some 800 superdelegates make up almost 20 % of the total delegates. YIKES !!! I like the idea of having a small group of Dem elder statespersons like Gore make the ultimate decision as opposed to this debaucle with 800 superdelegates. I dont think this current scenario was considered when the Dems instituted superdelegates in the early 80's. Florida and Michigan are a cluster (insert word here) and the superdelegates is proving to be undemocratic to their constituents they NEED…should we say it again ..another cluster **** makes one want to form a new party or go ' Independent '

Chris Austin TX   February 16th, 2008 3:35 pm ET

The Florida / Michigan delegates should be seated. Those are voters too. It's a little undemocratic to say (o, we're going to look over your privledge to vote in this country). If Obama wins this nomination, people would look at it (He only won because Florida/Michigan were penalized. This wouldn't look good. But, if they were seated, and he still won. Then he could say that he had the support of all 50 states, instead of just 48. Just as Obama wants, the voters should choose the Democratic nominee, not the DNC. Seat the delegates.

Ennis, LA   February 16th, 2008 3:35 pm ET

If she loses to Obama, she can always go the Third Party route.

The More the Merrier.

gbolahan   February 16th, 2008 3:35 pm ET

For Obama to succeed, he has to ignore Bill Clinton's legacy of desecrating the oval office with scandal after scandal.

Jack   February 16th, 2008 3:34 pm ET

Vote for the person with the best ideas, not the best speechwriter.

Obama has become more of a rock star than a U.S. President.

Where are his specific plans and ideas that will help him come through on all the promises he's making?

How will he unite everybody and get people to work together on controversial issues when both sides have completely opposing views, like stem-cell research and global warming? He'll have to take a stand, upsetting one side.

But his 130 votes of Present in the Illinois state senate seemed to show that he'd rather not take a stand at the risk of upsetting some people. That doesn't show backbone.

Is that the type of President we're looking for?

How will the Bush mess be reversed without a President who's reluctant to take a side?

Mike Rivers   February 16th, 2008 3:34 pm ET

Just the Clinton campaign doing anything to take away from Obama's momentum. She's not winning now so apparently they have to go on with her notion of inheriting the presidency.

Jen   February 16th, 2008 3:34 pm ET

Would someone PLEASE tell me how it looks good for Clinton's camp to want to seat the delegates from MI and FL now? I know Obama's camp is getting criticism for wanting superdelegates to stand by their voters, but this is much, much worse to me…I mean, Obama wasn't even on the ballot in Michigan! Both candidates need to play by the rules. If the Dems want to hold primaries (again) in MI and FL (and if I were a voter there, I would hope they would,) then fine. Otherwise, it's a shame, but the party in those states should have followed the rules.

Christopher   February 16th, 2008 3:33 pm ET

Plouffe says… “[Clinton is] attempting to have superdelegates overturn the will of the Democratic voters…"

Got news for you, Plouffe. The superdelegates were not designed, nor are they obligated or even supposed to bend to the will of the people. They are of sound mind and should do what they think is best for the country. Superdelegates who hemm and haw depending on which way the political winds blow shouldn't be superdelegates in the first place.

So, Plouffe, it seems like you're trying to re-write the definition of superdelegate, or at minimum, change their role in this nominating process.

Dias   February 16th, 2008 3:33 pm ET

I just heard Senator Clinton in Ohio. It is so pathetic that she does not have the creativity to think about her own slogan. Now she is saying "yes we will". It is very sad and indignifying that she will use any means necessary to achieve her own political ambitions. And since when being the wife of an ex president qualify as "experience" ?And even if it did qualify we the american people know where the so called "experience" has led us.
Let's move forward and not backwords. I am so tired of the Bush and attempted Clinton dynasty.
OBAMA 08

gamle mand   February 16th, 2008 3:32 pm ET

If you want another 4 years or more of a trash government, go ahead and vote Clinton — if that happens, I have a hunch we will end up with another Republican administration with good old John McCain at the helm — better him, though than Hillary

crockett in houston   February 16th, 2008 3:32 pm ET

We are tired of slash and burn politics

I will vote for Obama on March 4th – if my vote is overturned by Bill Clinton in Denver at the convention, I will stay home for the general election.

JB Honolulu Hawai   February 16th, 2008 3:31 pm ET

To not alllow the people of Michigan and Florida have a say in the nomination would be crazy. These are two crucial states when it comes to the election. It is the fault of the people of Michigan and Florida that their officials put them in this position? If Florida and Michigan votes had been allowed to count earlier, would the momentum swong for Obama like it did? Clinton is leading if you count these two states. Especially with regard to Florida – since each candidate was on an even playing field, the votes should stand as counted.

Let all the people decide – Clinton '08, Yes we will!!!!

AJ, IL   February 16th, 2008 3:31 pm ET

You are stating the obvious about Hillary not talking caucus states seriously and dismissing the results from them. This is amazing. This Ickes guy voted to penalize Florida and Michigan Democratic delegates last year but now wants to go against his pledge. Enough is enough!

Obama in 08!

Dr. Darla Wilshire   February 16th, 2008 3:30 pm ET

Didn't the Hillary campaign say it would be all over by Super Tuesday? Wishful thinking on this new call, perhaps? And why do the Clinton people keep stealing Obama's phrases? Don't they have any of their own? (Yes we will vs. Yes we can). Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, you know. GO OBAMA!

Truth hurts   February 16th, 2008 3:30 pm ET

Mr. Ickes,

unless your candidate wants to cause irreparable damage to the democratic party, the race will be over somewhere in March or April after Senator Clinton fails to impressively win Ohio and Texas.

Obama/Edwards 08

awg   February 16th, 2008 3:30 pm ET

Life long active Democrat here. Worked on national campaigns and been a funraiser for the party and candidates.
I will absolutely quit the Democratic Party and actively work for McCain if Clinton wins the nomination the way her campaign has acted and intends to grab the nomination. Totally undemocratic and pathetic. I am talking to more Democrats who are saying the same thing. If Clinton manages to wrestle the nomination away form Obama using these kinds of tactics, they will not vote for her regardless of whether Obama is also on the ticket. That will not make a difference. Many say they too will quit the party.

Jim   February 16th, 2008 3:29 pm ET

"Hillary Clinton won the primaries in both Florida and Michigan, where she was the only major Democratic candidate to appear on the ballot."

I believe this quote properly sums up CNN's bias. They phrase things in just such a way….to make Hillary look bad. All candidates were on the Florida ballot. CNN is pandering to the majority of Americans who only tune into the news every now and then.

KHAL   February 16th, 2008 3:28 pm ET

Changing the "rules" to keep the Dynasty Going!!!….Hmm. Say anything do anything politics…..as usual.The Emperor has no "sense"…if they think they can fool the whole US…bait and switch…I thought they "outlawed" that kind of advertisment.

whatnow   February 16th, 2008 3:27 pm ET

As a clinton supporter, I find in very distasteful that they are starting this kind of rhetoric. It isn't fair to sit people from Michigan and Florida. If she was the only one on the ballot Edwards and Obama didn't really count. This isn't fair. They should stay focus on the race and the rules they agreed to at the beginning. Why does the clinton camp keep causing such confusion? I almost wish I hadn't cast my vote for her now.

DropOutGravel   February 16th, 2008 3:27 pm ET

Hillary has a New Slogan Everyone
"Yes we Will"
I couldnt help but LMAO when She repeated the slogan about 10 times but her cheerleaders did not catch on.

Elizabeth   February 16th, 2008 3:27 pm ET

Ugh, I'm so ready for this to be over. If either candidate loses big by the end of March I hope that they bow out and let us focus on November. Geeze.

Jordan   February 16th, 2008 3:27 pm ET

After Obama wins Texas, Clinton can pack her bags and head back to NY, it will be over.

Adam, Plano, TX   February 16th, 2008 3:26 pm ET

LOL! shes got so much ground to make up, its not impossible, but highly improbable. she has to win texas, ohio, and pennsylvania with OVER 60% just to stay viable. she's down almost 200,000 actual votes, and the picture is not getting any prettier for her.

John   February 16th, 2008 3:25 pm ET

1968 Redux, here we come!

Jon Cruz   February 16th, 2008 3:25 pm ET

Hey Ickes, hey Obama: you're in a double bind, and I'm sick and tired of this double bind not being mentioned in the mainstream media.

If superdelegates are so bad, then that means, I guess, that you want to change the rules so voices can be heard.

But you, Obama, and the talking heads in the media keep saying that Senator Clinton is "whining" about the rules when she wants to seat delegates that represent the voices of the people of Florida and Michigan.

I guess hypocrisy is the new kind of politics Obama is peddling. How pathetic.

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