February 16, 2008
Posted: February 16th, 2008 11:00 AM ET
New Wisconsin ad from the Obama campaign
New Wisconsin ad from the Obama campaign

(CNN) – Barack Obama’s campaign launched a television ad critical of Hillary Clinton Saturday in Wisconsin, the fourth negative spot between the two Democratic presidential campaigns in the past four days.

The ads have all centered around Obama’s decision not to debate Clinton in the state before the primary vote on Tuesday. The Clinton spots have tied that decision to what it says are flaws in Obama’s stands on issues like health care and Social Security. Obama’s team has made similar charges about Clinton’s positions, and defended the Illinois senator’s decision.

“After 18 debates, with two more coming, Hillary says Barack Obama is ducking debates? It's the same old politics,” says the announcer in “Same Old Politics,” criticizing the New York senator’s proposal for universal health care and praising Obama’s position on retirement benefits and ending tax breaks for oil companies.

“Tired of the same old politics? Vote for change we can believe in,” says the announcer in the 30-second spot.

On Wednesday, Hillary Clinton’s campaign unveiled the race’s first negative spot in Wisconsin, criticizing Obama for not agreeing to more debates.

Obama’s campaign struck back the next day with an ad that responded to Clinton’s, calling the original spot an instance of "the same old politics of phony charges and false attacks." On Friday, Clinton’s campaign debuted another ad, a response to what it called “false attacks” in the Obama spot.

Wisconsin's voters head to the polls next Tuesday, February 19.

–CNN Associate Political Editor Rebecca Sinderbrand

Filed under: Barack Obama • Hillary Clinton


sandra   February 16th, 2008 5:26 pm ET

is 20 debates not enough?. infact l am sick of these debates. it is the same things over and over again.

Hilary should focus on why she is loosing and stop pestering Obama for more debates. Obama needs the time to showcase himself personally to the voters. Hilary on the other hand has a name recognition and therefore easy for voters to make up their mind about voting for her or not.

And enough of this negative campaign from the Clinton, l just smell desperation.

James   February 16th, 2008 4:05 pm ET

Obama reminds me of Ronald Reagan – a great communicator with the American People. But the senator is also highly educated, has umimpeacheable integrity and commands the visionary traits needed in this American Century.

The Clinton camp is making a strategic error like Rudy Guiliani – pinning all hopes on success in a big state, Florida or Texas. Every state counts and the old politics of exclusion does more harm than good to society.

James, TX

sybilqueen   February 16th, 2008 4:03 pm ET

CNN is being unfair to Obama because every day they show Hillary then Bill then Chelsea and Barack. They can show Michelle Obama once in a while and they don't show nobody related to or supprting Obama.This UNFAIR
Sybil

Jason   February 16th, 2008 4:01 pm ET

Obama is running too fast. He just became a senator and hasn't even finished a full term yet and now he wants to be a president? His senate votes speak for themselves. Oh wait, he hasn't voted much in the senate has he?

You know what happens when people run way too fast? They fall flat on their faces. He should leave it up to those experienced people.

My two cents.

Steve TX   February 16th, 2008 4:01 pm ET

Hillary is hardly the "same old politics". She's coming with a fresh vision grounded in reality, with all the details in place, and the experience to get the job done.

Obama has had only one, one-on-one debate. Apparently it wasn't comfortable for him without Edwards there as a buffer. He sounded like a stumble-bum, uh-ing and ah-ing all over the place, and finally stammering out his same old generalities. He is scared to face Hillary again because, without breaking a sweat, she can show him up for the empty suit he is.

Texas   February 16th, 2008 3:59 pm ET

Guve it Obama I am tiered of you hot air.
I hispanic and I do not buy your comments. You have never been there for this counrty; why sould I vote for you because you give a good speech? What happeneds when that is over..oh yeah you leave and never return! Sorry man you do not have my vote.

Texas for Hillary

Earl Rolle Jr.   February 16th, 2008 3:54 pm ET

I THINK WHAT SENATOR OBAMA DOESN'T REALIZE, THERE IS A REOCCURRING "BUZZ" THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY OF CONCERNED VOTERS WHO WANT TO VOTE FOR OBAMA, BUT STILL AREN'T TO CLEAR ON WHAT SENATOR OBAMA'S STANCE IS ON ISSUES THAT CONCERN AMERICANS THE MOST. FOR EXAMPLE: THE ECONOMY, HEALTHCARE, EDUCATION, EMPLOYMENT, SOCIAL SECURITY, GLOBAL DIPLOMACY, QUALITY OF LIFE ISSUES, HOMELAND SECURITY. HAVING "DEBATES" IS AN ANOTHER INSTRUMENT USED FOR CANDIDATES TO HELP THEM "GET THE WORD" THROUGH HAVING THESE "CONSTRUCTIVE-CRITICIZED DISCUSSIONS". WHICH A PROSPECTIVE CANDIDATE LIKE OBAMA SHOULD NOT TRY AVOID ESPECIALLY AT THIS STAGE IN THE RACE FOR THE PRESIDENTIAL NOMINATION. "GETTING THE OUT THERE" IS SO CRUCIAL! PERSONALLY, I THINK THE REASON WHY SENATOR CLINTON IS CHALLENGING SENATOR OBAMA LIKE THIS IS TO DEMOSTRATE TO AMERICA WHERE THE "SIMILARITIES" ARE ON "ISSUES" BETWEEN THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY'S FRONT-RUNNERS. SO WITHIN THE "SCEAM OF THINGS", TO USE THE DEBATES AS A "DUAL" CAMPAIGNING TOOL TO POSSIBLY PROMOTE A "SCENARIO SUGGESTION" OF A "JOINT-TICKET" FOR PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION IN THE MINDS OF VOTERS.

NEW YORK/WASHINGTON DC
-Earl Rolle Jr.-

Karen   February 16th, 2008 3:53 pm ET

Obama's talk is cheap!! Don't buy his speeches! Stop thinking about it!

Matt G.   February 16th, 2008 3:53 pm ET

If hillery would spend more time face to face with voters, pushing her own message and not simply trying to sabatoge on Baracs message to the same audience she would have more luck. Does she and her campagn managers not understand at this point it is the everyman for himself routine that has gotten america in the shape it is today.

There are several things that both candidates agree on, there are very few things that they disagree on and at this point in the game the american people are making decisions based on what they have said at the beggining, and have watched to see if their positions are changing just to be elected . With the amount of coverage that this thing gets in the media, with the internet in so many homes and with what has happened over the last eight years, She should listen to what the american people want and get on board with change and attempt to unify the party NOW just as the republicans are trying to do. She should also understand that with the dirt and mud slinging no one is going to want to see her step one foot in the white house as a president or veep.

Jab   February 16th, 2008 3:52 pm ET

Texas had the highest rate of uninsured residents of any state in the nation, according to the American College of Emergency Physicians, and they want to vote for Clinton! It is a fairy tale

Barack Obama Supporter from Lawrence Kansas   February 16th, 2008 3:52 pm ET

Every day, I visualize deeply that Barack Obama is the President of the United States of America. I encourage all people who STAND FOR CHANGE to do the same thing.

wwhite   February 16th, 2008 3:51 pm ET

GO OBAMA!

emmi, uk   February 16th, 2008 3:51 pm ET

35 yrs of experience yet, she keeps getting major voting decisions wrong. whereas the ''symboll of change" (Obama) also in the same Senate gets the same voting decisions right. Please some one should re-define the meaning of experience????

Atanu   February 16th, 2008 3:50 pm ET

Which is "more" old – chicken or egg ? Truly this election is of a kind – anything which will come on his way, anything which is logical or debatable would be branded as "old".

Steve OR   February 16th, 2008 3:49 pm ET

Okay, CNN, you did it again. Distorting the facts. All major candidates names were on the ballot in Florida. In fact, in defiance of a pact among the candidates to NOT campaign in Florida, Obama ran ads there in the week or so leading up to the primary. None of the other candidates did. When Hillary won, she showed up in Florida to thank those who voted for her, AFTER the polls had closed.

As far as Michigan goes, Edwards and Obama chose to remove their names from the ballot, but 4 others left their names on it. Later, Edwards and Obama wanted to put their names back on but it was too late. So. . .their surrogates worked feverishly on a ground operation to get Democratics to vote "Uncommittted", telling them that later, when the delegates are seated, they can change their "Uncommitted" votes to Edwards or Obama. If Obama thought that Michigan votes didn't count, why did he try so hard to get the Uncommitted voters out to the polls?

vivian   February 16th, 2008 3:47 pm ET

the Clintons are deseparate and are doing, saying and making accusations to the best of their ability. Three of them campaigning their hearts out, Chelsea, Hillary and Bill. They are so afraid of losing the white house.Well, I am really tired of Bushes and Clintons using the white house as a revolving door. They sure seem very similar to the Saudi Kings, they keep their country ruled by family members. The white house is not a revolving door and I sick and tired of the same families going through it. By the way, Hillary said at one of her speeches, " it took a Clinton to clean up after the first Bush and it's gonna take another clinton to clean up after the second bush"... well guess what, not to defend the Bushes, but what is fair is fair. It seems like the second bush cleaned up after clinton also. How about the mess he left undone when he totally ignored the 1993 explosion in the world trade center. He had every reason and the means to take Usama out back then, but he left him untouched until the second Bush was in office and 9/11 happened. So, what are we to expect, just Clintons and bushes cleaning up after each other and we sit here waiting for our goverment to address our issues? I hope that we all wake up and smell the coffee. No more clintons, no more buishes please!!!!! I believe that Obama has every reason to make the biggest difference not only because he is about change. He is Change! he inspires people who have been totally uninspired, he motivates people who cared less about our election in the past decade or so. He has more reasons to show the world and America that he will leave not only America in a better place but the world as a whole. He is planting seeds of hope that will blossom in our future generations like no one else can. He is spreading the hope across America and the world. That is what we need! As he says, "speeches aloneare not enough" well, let's give him the opportunity to take the action behind his speeches. Please give him a chance and let's not go back to another clinton. I don't think I can handle another term of old blood.

Dora   February 16th, 2008 3:44 pm ET

How would he know about old politics, he HAS NOT been around that long. And voting present is not a stand on anything.

mike   February 16th, 2008 3:38 pm ET

Hey Obama, that line is getting a little old....are you capable of a new one?

RJB2   February 16th, 2008 3:13 pm ET

This is not criticism...sorry that the truth hurts

Is there anyone in America who really thinks that the
Clinton's do not represent the "Same Old Politics"
Also known as "Divide and conquer"

Jon   February 16th, 2008 2:26 pm ET

Why is it called an "attack ad" when Hillary Clinton runs an ad on TV but when Obama does THE SAME THING, it's called a TV "spot"?

Ron   February 16th, 2008 2:17 pm ET

Mr. Obama,

The same old politics of Clinton years in the White House kept America secure, it kept America out of Wars and importantly, brought America great economic achievements like lowest unemployment rates (only 4%!!) in decades and very low interest rates with little inflation. And America was loved by the world then.

I will choose that "old politics" prosperity any day over your new politics.

observer#1   February 16th, 2008 2:09 pm ET

Same old politics, yes, from you , Obama. I understand you would like to cut social security payments and again raise retirement age. Yeah, we can work until we're 80! Oh, let's not forget the new taxes we will get from you.

Jake, California   February 16th, 2008 2:09 pm ET

Hillary, you are brook we all know it. And you want to get free publicity by having debates EVERY OTHER WEEK.

Hillary, people in this country are smarter than every little cheap trick you come up with.

You are not the chairwoman of the Democratic party to be making up rules. Why didn't you call for weekly debates when things were fine? And if Obama doesn't agree to your request you want to force him to do so? Hillary you are ridiculous...and that's how you are going to lose miserably.

We have debated 18times with you, now that's a lot of time for people to listen to the issues. We'll debate with you again in Texas and Ohio....what more do you want? Stop being greedy!

Don   February 16th, 2008 2:06 pm ET

Obama is right. 18 debates and 2 more on the way is enough. Just cause it's not when it's when Hillary wants it he makes it an issue. She should talk given how she ducked debates in her own Senate elections up in New York, and it’s all about free airtime for her. Just like she dismissed all the Caucus States Obama won, though not complaining about the ones she won, and it’ the same with the debates. She goes after him in 2 debates about how he doesn’t have mandates in his Health Care Plan and hers does but when asked several times how her mandates will be enforced or what’s the punishment for violating her mandates she won’t answer. She rather we focus on that then what one her advisors said about the state Obama won being insignificant. Missouri, Virginia, Maryland, Maine, Delaware, and all the others states he won, including red states she should want to win.

Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton? Same one, same old.

Grif   February 16th, 2008 2:06 pm ET

Chicken!!!

Howard Jackson   February 16th, 2008 2:05 pm ET

Obama has shown Hillary much respect, and I would be very disappointed to see a hostile, character smearing debate between these qualified candiates there is too much at stake to throw it all down the drain just for a win.
Hope deferred makes the heart sick but when the desire cometh, it is a tree of life.! All of our careers and lives has been built on hope and desire. Wouldn't you agree?

VERONICA   February 16th, 2008 2:05 pm ET

I THINK HILLARY HAS TRIED TO USE EVERYBODY TO IMAGE HER CAMPAIGN FIRST BILL NOW CHELSEA, OBAMA HAS LEANED ON HIMSELF ON HIS ISSUES. I CAN APPRECIATE THAT NOW THAT OBAMA HAS THE ATTENTION OF THE YOUTH THE CLINTONS THINK CHELSEA CAN IMPRESS US. I DONT THINK SO !!!!!

Jeff an Independent   February 16th, 2008 2:04 pm ET

Like he says, he may be skinny – but if need be, he's tough.

Take him on with fear and trembling.

ho tc   February 16th, 2008 2:04 pm ET

“After 18 debates, with two more coming..."

How many 1-on-1 debates did Obama have with Clinton? ONE!!!
COME ON!

Obama's messages are always misleading.

Adam   February 16th, 2008 2:03 pm ET

Isn't voting in favor of a 2005 energy bill that gave nearly $6 billion in subsidies to oil companies who aren't struggling in the least considered the same old politics? A bill the new york times deemed to be the summation of all possible lobbies considered the same old politics? Hmm...

I don't recall Hillary supporting this special interest cause. But then again, I guess this is the kind of man who is going to bring change. His message may be new, but historically, his record reflects nothing remotely close to it. He's all talk and no action.

Scott   February 16th, 2008 2:02 pm ET

What I see is Hillary Clinton very desperate......and showing her true colors as a Clinton.

Darryl From Arlington TX   February 16th, 2008 2:02 pm ET

Let keep jobs for the US workers not send them over seas

maya   February 16th, 2008 2:02 pm ET

*My second attempt to post*
This is what I don't get- Obama has been continually negative towards Hillary. Let's get real- in order to build himself up,he has been cutting her down (calling her "divisive" and "same old politics") right from the beginning. He has been essentially attacking her character, he's just very smooth in how he does it. Amazing how he has twisted everything- and now to call this tame ad- "Same Old Politics"- Give me a break!!!

gene   February 16th, 2008 2:02 pm ET

Obama does not do well in debates. Contrary to the media's love affair with Obama, its hard for them to spin something that we are seeing and hearing, Hillary has beat him in every debate and that is why he is trying to limit the number of debates. He gives a great speech, which are very inspirational, but they say little to nothing.

boniba   February 16th, 2008 2:00 pm ET

Washington is the same old thing. Sometimes you get things done along bipartisan basis and sometimes along partisan basis. That is the reality MR BARACK. Maybe you need to be President of a nation that does not exist – United States of OBAMA!!!!

andy   February 16th, 2008 1:59 pm ET

when Clinton says something about Obama CNN says she is attacking, but when its Obama doing the attacking CNN uses words like he is knocking her or critizing her, why this difference in language. could the be a little bias there, it appears to be that way, i thought cnn had the best political team on tv, they wouldn't ruin that reputation by favoring one of the other.

Bean Counter, Motor City, MI   February 16th, 2008 1:59 pm ET

How does this guy continue to get away with this? Same old politics? HIs campaign has routinely bashed Hillary and the Bush administration.

I HOPE this guy goes away soon.

curtis in WI   February 16th, 2008 1:58 pm ET

Why is Clinton suddenly so eager to debate Obama in WI. She wasn't eager in any other state. Could it be because she is losing and short of money and a debate costs her nothing for a lot of free airtime and publicity?

He's already debated you 18 times and there are two more already scheduled. Hardly showing cowardice, there.

frank   February 16th, 2008 1:57 pm ET

i am a long time liberal, and vote more then not democrate, but with obama, if selected i am voting republican

maya   February 16th, 2008 1:57 pm ET

This is what I don't get- All the buzz about Hillary's first "negative" ad (everyone jumping on the bandwagon saying- "there she goes" and "dirty tricks"–serious over reactions to a pretty tame "negative" ad) and yet Obama has very smoothly been attacking Hillary from the very beginning. He has been labeling her as "divisive" and "same old politics" while promising "change" and "hope." Let's get real- in order to build himself up,he has always been cutting her down and actually even attacking her character. Just because he is more of a smooth politician,doesn't make him any cleaner (and makes him less trustworthy in my mind!)

James   February 16th, 2008 1:57 pm ET

What is Obama so scared of? Obama has never been specific on anything he says. He doesn’t want to do a debate because he knows he is going to lose. NOBODY knows where he stands. He doesn’t want to answer any questions we have. We need solutions, not rhetoric. Obama supporters, you all need a wakeup call. You all are so blind and you are being manipulated.

Terry   February 16th, 2008 1:56 pm ET

Perhaps someone should ask Obama about the front page of whitehouse (dot) com

The media has been ignoring this story for over a month but there is one place that has broken the story as of yesterday. They had to courage to step up.

Joan   February 16th, 2008 1:55 pm ET

I'm glad Obama is hitting back. The Clinton smear machine is really despicable and dishonest.

The Clintons will truly say and do ANYTHING to win!!!!!!

p.s. She is the reason we don't have health care today. Because of her miserable failure in 1993. Thanks for nothing!

Henry   February 16th, 2008 1:54 pm ET

Who are these Independent voters? The majority of Democrats (actually nearly 2/3 of Democrats) vote for Hillary Clinton over Barrack Hussein Obama. However, the Independent voters change all that. Why are we allowing Independent voters vote in Democrat's Primary. These Independent voters could be Republicans behind the scene trying to mess up the Democrats. Obviously, those who registered as Democrats are heavily leaning towards Hillary Clinton (please check and keep checking national polls regarding registered Democrats). The Independent voters are really taking away what true Democrats want. The Independent voters should be allowed to vote only their own Independent Primary. If Democrats are allowed to vote in Republican's Primary, what do you think the Democrats will do?

Farrell, Houston, Tx   February 16th, 2008 1:54 pm ET

The Clintons are desperate to stop the Obama train and take no responsibility for derailing their own campaign. False accusations the Clintons are making don't get votes and Obama is not responding in the negative way they want, he's sticking to the issues. Obama knows it's in the interest of voters that he stick to the issues and let the Clintons continue to play their petty little games. Obama is simply the best.

Markus Wichmann   February 16th, 2008 1:54 pm ET

Obama has been using an awful lot of rhetorical tricks to catch the feelings of people and get them behind him. The "same old politics" trick makes use of the tendency not to separate the wheat from the chaff, when there is a bad situation people want to get rid of. Same with the "Washington" rhetoric. Is it really the Washington style of politics which created the mess America is in now, or was it the Bush administration who did that? Obama fans are throwing the baby out with the bath water, I'm afraid.

Markus Wichmann (Berlin / Germany – please apologize my german style English.)

BobW   February 16th, 2008 1:54 pm ET

Go Obama! Hillary has made a tactical mistake thinking you are just going to take her dirty attacks without comment.

Malc   February 16th, 2008 1:53 pm ET

Not true. These are entirely new dynamics on both sides. The cover of the latest Ebony magazine bellows, "In our Lifetime!".

Just remember next year (and hopefully the next eight years), that this is our moment, and not yours. I think any thoughts of the republican attack machine having an effect once he is nominated, will be futile.

This is a movement, and as the great Sam Cooke said "...change is gonna come...". No longer limited to just being the best athletes, musicians, or entertainers, now the free world must recognize its leader. Yes, we will be in the white House, but this time, not serving anybody.

E. J. Forrest   February 16th, 2008 1:52 pm ET

How quickly we forget that President Bill Clinton showed the world how much he cared for his wife and daughter when having an affair with an intern at the White House. Do we really want his wife in the White House after tolerating this type of behavior? Makes one wonder will she buckle and run with her tail between her legs in a case when our nation needs her to stand up and speak out against the wrong and unjust, as she did when publicly humiliated by her Husband, or will she grow a spine, walk upright and do the right thing for the American people.

seth   February 16th, 2008 1:51 pm ET

It does seem like the same old attacks. HC has had 18 debates with Obama ( and others included). She has yet to go to wisconsin as a canidate also.

sf

Juven   February 16th, 2008 1:51 pm ET

I have been undecided in this democratic primaries, whats making me decide? Simple, Hillary Clinton is running for herself, as if the presidency belong to her and nobody deserves it more than she does. Why, because shes bill clintons wife?, she is not bill clinton and the presidency is not a crown that you place in a family member head.
Instead Barack Obama is running on the movement that is deploying around him. Whith the people for the people. Im glad this is happening now, again I can believe that it is possible to get the best of us, that we can be up to extraordinary things no matter we are ordinary people.

K.K.   February 16th, 2008 1:50 pm ET

Well Obama had no choice but to strike Clinton back. He is right about one thing. It is totally ludicrous to think that 18-20 debates are not enough. Look, we cannot have a debate per every state. Will she do anything to win this election? I cannot believe I convinced my uncle to vote for Clinton in NH. A shame.

mary   February 16th, 2008 1:49 pm ET

My comment I made had was about "change". When Obama ends the war in Iraq in 60 days will our Country be safer? Will the innocent people in Iraq by safer? Where will the terroist go? or will they stay in Iraq and build up their army? Will the terrorist attack us in our Country? Will "change" that Obama preaches about help out people losing their homes? losing jobs? keep our Nation safer? Will he get rid of the old Washington Politicians (he says he doesn't want to keep with the old) and replace them with new people? Will all the college students that are bonding with him be replacing all the Old Washington gang? Will I even have as much in life that I have now?

Sherri   February 16th, 2008 1:47 pm ET

I read Obama's book and I SEE him use the very methods he spoke against in his book. He yells "same ole politics" and then does it himself? The more I learn of him the less I am impressed. I thought at one time he was sincere but as this goes on I realize he is just like them all.

edaddison   February 16th, 2008 1:45 pm ET

Hillary is insulting the voter's intelligence by trying to turn the truth with mere rhetoric. Let's look at the obvious. Hillary campaigned in Ohio all week because her funds are low and she can't afford to campaign in Wisconsin too without jeopardizing her precious firewall in Ohio. Hence she is telling Wisconsin voters they are not important as sghe did in 8 states for Super Tuesday. Obama, of course knows this. Hillary's desire for yet another debate in Wisconsin was an attempt to get free advertising in Wisconsin because she can't afford to campaign there herself (see above). Obama declines because he IS campaigning in Wisconsin. This is political chess. Hillary made the queen's gambit and Obama put her in check. Hillary's moves this week are signs of increasing desperation.

lro   February 16th, 2008 1:44 pm ET

it is not the old same politics. To me – and I believe to many others – the more I know the better I can decide. If Obama is cutting the debates, it makes me think that he :
a) does not know what to say
b) is hiding something
c) does not want to talk because then people would open eyes and see him in the right light
d) it is arrogant, I wonder if he would say the same to a man candidate

That's Reality   February 16th, 2008 1:43 pm ET

Obama speaks of "change" but why would anyone vote for "change" when we don't know what on earth that "change" would be? At this point , with the treat of more terrorism always looming, we need someone who has experience and is willing to get some people "angry" if that's what it takes to protect this nation. I'm not sure Obama wouldn't cave to the terrorists or even (by his inexperience and policy "changes") encourage the terrorists to strike again. We NEED experience in the Oval Office. The most important issue at hand is stopping terrorists. What good is a flourishing economy or health care if terrorists come and blow us to smitherings?

Vote for experience and Integrity – McCain/Huckabee

Rob,NC   February 16th, 2008 1:42 pm ET

It's a shame that Obama has no choice but to launch counter attack ads. I guess Hillary wants to believe that negative ads really do work. If that's the case then America is not ready for a progressive candidate like Obama.

I really hope people in Wisconsin realize that they have hahd 18 debates already. Is that not enough? Please realize this is just Hillary's style and a cheap way to get free air time.

Hillary is desperate, so she will resort to what she and Bill do best, go negative. This type of behavior doesn't make anyone look good and forces Obama to get into a he said, she said battle. Hopefully voters realize that, and will just give Obama big victories in WI, OH, and TX and put the nail in Hillary's coffin once and for all, and allow us to focus on an Obama-McCain matchup.

aware   February 16th, 2008 1:41 pm ET

Hillary the HOPE of 08 :)

Barack demonstrates the kind of change I hope we don’t fall for in America – the FOOL the people with sugar instead of vinegar change – He is as smooth as honey and just as sticky. He will say anything to win but he doesn't have the goods! He is a very sneaky partisan politician. He uses the velvet dagger, prevarication, and even plagiarism to color his rhetoric. He also changes his story when it suits his cause – such as funding in the general….

If you want a sweet tongued manipulator rather than someone who will give you the goods and provide real solutions, vote for Barack.

Scott   February 16th, 2008 1:41 pm ET

Give it up Hillary!! You had 8 years to make Universal Health Care happen. You were the Czar remember. You failed because you can't seperate youself from those that fund your Campaign. You are a double talking worst kind of two faced politician there is. By the way WalMart works the majority of thier employes just under 40 hours a week so they are not required by law to provide Health Care. Was that one of your ideas when you sat on the Board? If Hillary wins the nomination I will vote for John McCain. And that would in my mind be the leaser of two evils!! GOOOOOOOOO Obama!!

Deb IL   February 16th, 2008 1:39 pm ET

"Tired of the same old politics? Vote for change we can believe in".

This is the "same old" answer he has given to everything since Iowa. This is what a lot of us are tired of. TELL US WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO DO Senator, and stop throwing out repetitive one liners over and over again. Without Kennedy around to mentor him though, I guess he just sticks with what he knows.

s.positive   February 16th, 2008 1:38 pm ET

NO TAX RETURN, NO MORE DEBATES

Kevin   February 16th, 2008 1:20 pm ET

Denying voters a voice in Florida. Sounds like Obama is engaging in the same old politics to me. Reminds me of Bush in 2000.

sue   February 16th, 2008 1:17 pm ET

Keep on talking Bill........and you accused Obama of being glib??!!

Giovina G. Crisalli   February 16th, 2008 1:12 pm ET

How many debates are necessary for Hillary Clinton?
We have heard and listened to 18 debates.
No one is denying that the Clintons did make some improvements.
Unfortunately for the American people, they also gave us a failed NAFTA and a scandal in the White House.
Millions of dollars and countless man hours were spent needlessly to deal with a President who should have been impeached.
The Clintons were given their chance.
The Republicans had their chance.
We are living through the disasterous results of both administrations.
Now, it is time for us to breathe fresh air, roll up our sleeves and get ready to take back our White House.
Let us have the audacity to hope that our tomorrows will be better than our yesterdays.
Embrace our future! Vote Barack Obama!
Stand tall and firm with Barack Obama.
Le

Elder   February 16th, 2008 1:08 pm ET

I am not oppose Obama.
But all politicians are the same. They always make promises, but not result. Obama says he will meet those leaders who insulted our nation. Besides Obama doesn't have plans to help american people in our nation problems. Obama is weak in the issues of econmy, foreign policies, terrorrism, homeland security.

U.S. Army Vet.   February 16th, 2008 1:07 pm ET

I think it is not a coincident that Hillary Clinton has embarked on such a negative PR campaign against Sen. Obama at this point in the Democratic nomination process.

History is repeating itself once again. She went negative after she lost in Iowa, and now she is going negative in Wisconsin, Ohio, Hawaii, Texas, and Pennsylvania. Wow!

If one's actions are indicatives of the character, ethics, and leadership; then I think Hillary Clinton would not be good for America. She would not be a good president or vice-president.

I had planned to vote for her in the upcoming Texas Primary, but now I will vote for Sen. Obama because Hillary Clinton has proved she has more experience in ignoring the issues and attacking her opponent.

sw   February 16th, 2008 1:06 pm ET

I did not see Obama's politics is any different than others, he went up through the dirty chicago system(Rezko), and has been Washington for 3 years(what he done?), and very happy to get every support from Kennedy and Kerry(these two repsent new politics?). Come on, move out of the house you bought from Rezko $300,000 below market value first!

benvictor   February 16th, 2008 1:06 pm ET

The democratic Nominee will be Al Gore with Hillary as Big Al's running mate. Obama heads back to the Senate for 12 more years to gain the necessary experience and establish a record of accomplishment. Justice in this case is so sweet. With the 2000 election taken from him, Al Gore as President will fix the foreign and domestic mess created by this president. God Bless America and God Bless Al Gore. Happy Days are Here Again.

ayesha   February 16th, 2008 1:02 pm ET

AMERICA'S "DIAPER" IS FILLED, NOW IT'S TIME FOR A CHANGE.
YES WE CAN!

ben   February 16th, 2008 1:02 pm ET

Do any of you fellow bloggers really think your comments will influence
anybody? Believe me they wont!!
I am a republican. My son is a republican. We have had many discussions about politics. He is an exceptionaly intelegent young man,
but he would vote for a rock if it had republican written on it.
I on the other hand will vote for Obama.
So I ask you, if two people love each other as my son and I do, and we can't convince each other to change our thinking, What good do you think your opinons will ?
Especially the hate opinions!!!!!!!!

dmr   February 16th, 2008 1:00 pm ET

OBAMA IS AFRAID TO DEBATE____HE HAS NO EXPERIENCE AND THEREFORE NOTHING TO SAY> ONLY HIS "VISION" SPEECH.

Herb   February 16th, 2008 12:54 pm ET

I find it interesting how Bill Clinton is criticized for trying to employ race in even the most obtuse political comment,eg, the Jesse Jackson past campaigns in South Carolina. Well the Obama campaign has turned any mention of even political historical racial history, as a don't ask ,don't tell situation that even the press is affraid to question. This "turning around of the race card" for any and all comments by the Clinton's is the one thing that Obama has indeed been ready for "from day one!!"

Chris Austin TX   February 16th, 2008 12:52 pm ET

Debates are fantastic. I think they should hold one in each state. This gives the people of that state the opportunity to see where each nominee stands on the subjects that effect their lives. At first, we could criticize Hillary for riding along on her popularity, but she still debated (and she's far superior to Obama in that category). But now, Obama is ahead, and it's not due to his stance on things. It's his pep rally's and his (Change we can believe in) Motto's being driven into your heads. Clinton has a stronger stance on the changes that need to be made than Obama does. He's just riding his momentum, because a Debate will make him look bad. Every state deserves a debate in my opinion. It's their right to see the views of both candidates, and how each would go about changing the things we need changed.

Manuel in TX   February 16th, 2008 12:51 pm ET

There has only been one debate exclusively between Hillary and Obama, the debate in LA. Even the Obama-bots have to agree with this fact.

Hillary cleaned Obama's clock at the LA debate.

The debate format exposes Obama's lack of in-depth knowledge on the issues, and his inability to think on his feet.

Obama is ducking a debate in Wisconsin because he would once again be exposed for what he is, a lightweight.

Dee Davis   February 16th, 2008 12:51 pm ET

I really wish that both candidates would think about withdrawing the troops within a certain date after election. I agree that it would be nice to let them come home, I agree the war was unecessary but since we are there, we need to make sure that we leave in good taste. We Don't want to hand over the country to Al Quaida and Iran. We CANNOT jus walk out without more very big problems. Hillary actually said that she would talk to her advisors and see what they recommended first. Obama just says "Come Home". What does that tell you? The Republicans are at least worried about our future. I don't want to stay there for a "hundred years" either but I don't want any of them here either. I think the candidates should be realistic instead of just making promises to get elected. I think the public should care a lot more about national security.

Janice   February 16th, 2008 12:48 pm ET

Here we go again. Hillary with her temper tantrums! Whenever Hillary is losing she wants to 'bad mouth/look for trouble, complain and make up stories that don't exist about Mr. Obama! Hillary is a 'dirty political player." This business complaining about Mr. Obama not wanting to debate, give me a break! We had 18 of them so far; and this is her way to keep him out of the 'limelight' getting his campaign underway and reaching the people on the issues and where he stands plus what we need in this country. Of course Obama has momentum, for he is UNLIKE any other out there or has been! And Hillary does not have 35 yrs experience, Obama has more 'years' in politics than she does-she has 8 yrs in the Senate, so what! He has many years in political life too; many before his 4 yrs in the Senate. We can't count the 8 yrs she was first lady, that is not a leveled playing field then. And "YEARS" experience can work against you because you get caught up in the same grind! Hillary also takes money from lobbyists, Obama does not, hmmmm.... In addition we need a FIRST FAMILY who has good morals and values and who can represent a 'Good Family Background of which Barack Obama and his lovely wife Michelle-have.'! No more BUSH -no more CLINTON! We had enough, do you get the message yet Hillary? Apparently not! Hillary reminds me of my 'grade school days' of kids that have 'hissy fits' when they don't get their way and do anything to desperately get attention. Go home Hillary to New York!

B Smart TX   February 16th, 2008 12:48 pm ET

One only has to go on YOUTUBE and type in Hillary's name. You will
get a glimpse of the real Hillary, and past scandals.

Laughable   February 16th, 2008 12:46 pm ET

Will she ever let this debate foolishness go?

Brent   February 16th, 2008 12:46 pm ET

WAIT WAIT WAIT, HOLD EVERYTHING!!! All I have been reading on this site for the past week has been attacks on Hillary from Obama, but Hillary made a subtle comment saying that actions spoke louder than Obamas feel-good speeches and he JUMPED ALL OVER HER saying that attacking is not what he did and that attacking the opponent was wrong, whats up with that??? What a liar!! Common Barrack, your feel-good speeches and rhetoric will only hoodwink soo many people before we catch on...

Ben   February 16th, 2008 12:43 pm ET

Hillary has got to do more without the involvement of Bill Clinton. People are wondering if Bill is the real candidate here! Bill is a broken tune which falls asleep wherever and whenever. Hillary brings dignity to all ladies worldwide.

catmom   February 16th, 2008 12:42 pm ET

I thought there was only one debate between Clinton and Obama. What is he afraid of?

Smokey   February 16th, 2008 12:40 pm ET

Definition of Insanity: "Doing the same thing, with the same people and expecting a different result."

Yes We Can!

Anonymous   February 16th, 2008 12:39 pm ET

Obama has dignity, character and sincerity and I hope he will not "lower himself" to "the likes" of Hillary and Bill Clinton!

Suziku   February 16th, 2008 12:38 pm ET

Go Obama! We definitely do NOT need the same old, same old politics as usual. Definitely time for a change.

ben   February 16th, 2008 12:37 pm ET

Go Obama

Nancy   February 16th, 2008 12:31 pm ET

I am an independent and watching on the side what is happening. The biggest problem of Hilary Clinton is that she cannot find her message. Here are a few examples of her search for her message:

1. She started as Experience Candidate
2. As voters showed enthusiasm for change, Hilary moved to Change messages
3. Then she became the Economy message candidate
4. The latest message was Solution candidate
5. Yesterday, her message was " yes we can do"

It is hard to connect with her and find her sincere in what she believes in

BG   February 16th, 2008 12:30 pm ET

Yeah, it's the same OLD HOLLOW HOPE without any direction. Change is good but change without direction and experience is most likely will be in the WRONG DIRECTION. Who wants that? We know JFK, Sen. Obama, you're no JFK, period.

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