When a candidate is the subject of a smear, taking the high road only makes that candidate seem weak. Look at Kerry, who initially tried to downplay the utterly slimy Swift Boat allegations. After Kerry lost the election, Bill Clinton declared that Democrats have to stand up on their hind legs and fight back when Republican smear campaigns emerge - not by retaliating, but by exposing the lies and the dirty politics.

So it's sad and ironic various smears keep originating from HRC's campaign, and that people consider it "whining" when Obama responds. I do wish Obama's camp hadn't mentioned the tendencies of other candidates to imitate his oratory, though. This is a stupid distraction.

No candidate is going to come out of this race looking blameless. And if you think John McCain is more of an "adult" than the others - well, this is the man who thought it funny to sing, "Bomb bomb Iran" to the tune of "Barbara Ann." I mean, really. His outbursts are legendary. Brace yourselves.

This wouldn't matter if Obama was running on more than words. . . but he's not.

CLINTON '08

Yes, We Can… Si, Se Puede.

Dolores Huerta came up with that slogan back in 1976 for Cesar Chavez's Union Farmworkers, not the Obama Camp.

He Also lifted, to a point where the text is identical, Clinton Economic Policy.

He's even borrowed policies from John Edwards.

The point is, he's a politician trying to spin establishment tactics as new and anti-establishment.

He's getting away with it because he's the media darling.

But this whole thing" She copied me" stuff is childish. It show's he's not ready. I don't care if he's trying to make a point, the whole tone Is childish.

Hi Charlotte the CNN racist. Get a Job and stop with Obama Black slams. Yup looks like us Dems are going to mess this up. I will never vote for Hill. Decide what you are going to do. Are you going to cry? Are you going to have Bill fight your battles? Are going to hate on hope? Hillary you are a fake.

As a voter I want my vote to count for something. So I have been researching the issues and the people that are running for our highest office. I watch the news alot and found it odd that the news does not or will not focus on the truth. About want is being said. Who is being more truthful. It really is not that hard to find out. So why doesn't CNN focus on that for once…the truth. Who is being more truthful to us the voters?????????????

"YES, WE WILL. YES, WE WILL. YES, WE WILL". (x10) Oh, how my ears bled.

I had nothing against Clinton at the start of this campaign - if Obama ended up losing the nomination, I would have voted for her. After all, their ideologies are quite similar.

Now, I'm not sure. Clinton has proven herself to be the type of candidate that would say anything and do anything to become elected. Pandering, lying, negativity… and fruitless attempt at copying Obama's rhetoric.

Clinton divides, Obama unites.

Hate to break it to you all but Bob The Builder coined the phrase "Yes we can". Crap like this will make McCain a shoe in in November. Wait and see!

Oddly enough, when you have been around as long as I have, and voted since 1952, you laugh at the way so many young people are following the Pied Piper," who really is tooting his own horn". It is all about the words isn't it? What we hear, what we want to hear, what we think we hear……..and that is ,we hear the same thing, same issues in every campaign, directed to John Q. Public. And we fall for it ! Do you really think in 4 short years much will be accomplished, or is it really that we just want someone else for a change never really caring whether these politicians can deliver or not. Just give us change !! Well, think again, in order for "change" to happen, we need someone who knows what to do, where to go, how to make it a happen, has ideas and spells it out for us, in other words we need Hillary.
She truly does have solutions, I have heard them time and time again, but on the other hand Obama just talks, he is boring, I don't care what or who he has seen, or who endorses him, I am not in awe of him, and Obama mania isn't any different than a bunch of teenagers chasing a "Rock Star". Time shows us what experience can do, we do not have "time " for any more mistakes, we have had 8 years of them. WE need substance behind those words, no matter what the words are, being able to put those words into action is what counts in the end for you and me. Never mind the Lobbyists, we need some of that Lobbying" to get things done,it will never go away, and Obama won't be able to live without them don't let him kid you into thinking that. ! So listen with your heads, not your hearts, because it won't last, Obama is still wearing training pants, while HIllary is already trained and ready to move on. If you don't have experience what do you have to draw from. Of course Obana with Kennedy, Kerry endorsements you have the "old establishment" to lead you, do you want more of that??? TAke caution, listen with your mind, and vote the right decision, because once it is done, it is done !!!! GO HILLARY !!!

This is SOOO much fun…! Hillary and Obama have the best reality show on TV. Top Chef and Project Runway have nothing on the Obama- Hillary Political Sideshow.

HOST
" Hillary –you are eliminated….!"
" Senator Obama, you go on to the final round."
AUDIENCE
Few tears for Hil : Lots of Cheers, OBAMA!

OBAMA 08– FELLS GREAT, OBAMA 09 We'll be fine! Go Obama!

BOTH KEVINS BAD ANNALOGIES!! PLAGARISM WAS COMMITED WATCH THE TAPE !!! WORD FOR WORD LINE FOR LINE THIS MAN SAID THIS IN 2006!! IT LOOKS AWRY I MIGHT AS WELL VOTE FOR PATRICK LOL…

Obama is exposed for the poser he is. He pretends to be an agent of change yet he can't even write his own words. So, what is left? He doesn't have experience, he hasn't been able to develop detailed policy plans to help our nation and he can't defend his opponents views with his own thoughts?

Here is the story with Deval Patrick in MA: ever since he took the office in January of 2007 he has been pushing for the three casinos to be developed in our state because he can't think of any other ways to fulfill his promises he made when he was running for Governor of MA. Believe it or not, to pay for these expensive programs he came up with, he has proposed his budget for 2009 already including the revenues state would get from the casinos knowing that the House may vote against his plan for developing casinos. This is what we are dealing with in MA. He is running the state into deficit faster than he talks.

Let these two battle over childish issues like this. All it does is show their true colors and proves that this country needs a proven leader like John McCain!

Hillary Diane Rodham Clinton is out of touch with the needs of most Americans. Obama plans to offer tax incentives for companies to operate here in the US. He also plans to streamline the IRS to make it easier to file taxes. We need change folks!
I predict that Obama takes Wisconsin by about 7 points tomorrow. On the street here, everyone is pumped for Obama.

Hillary will do anything to get air time. How pitiful… and rather funny….

Hillary, PAY FOR YOUR OWN AIR TIME AND STOP RIDING OFF OF OBAMA!

Desperate people often do desperate things. Clinton is really reaching the bottom of the barrel with this one! I have heard her more than once use Obama phases and he let it go because he knew it was trite! Obama has higher ethics or should I just say is ethical ! Shame on the Clintons! But who is really surprised!

Omg…Hillary claims to be a "proven commodity, tried and tested". What kind of nonsense is that? Proven? When? Tried and tested? By whom? She keeps tossing out this bogus resume of her's expecting us to believe this nonsense. In typical Clinton fashing….SHE'S LYING!

Come on Clintons!!! We've seen you "borrow" words from Obama on several occasions in the past month.

Hillary, if your campaign doesn't stop playing in the mud my pig farming friends in Iowa have a place for ya'll.

It's about time Obama is being exposed as lazy lazy lazy….he borrows more like steals from everyones speeches and calls them his owns….the worst is he is always stealing from Martin Luther King!!!

Obama create your own personality you are not MLK and you are more of the same contrary to what you want to make the public believe!! You are a hypocrite, Obama!!

Obama is… do as I say not as I do!!

Hillary for President, she is who she is!!! 2008

Do both of these candidates need some quiet time? Maybe a nap?

We need adults running the country, not quarreling cranky children.

Ok, ok, mamma is going to settle it…..No one owns the phrase "fired up" or "yes we can". These phrases were in use long before either of these candidates started their campain, so they don't belong to anyone.

We know that the candidates don't write their own speeches. Can we dispense with that discussion as well? Nobody is copying, nobody is cheating….it is an open book test.

As a voter, I want to elect someone who takes my problems seriously. A candidate consumes my time with such silliness - Not so much.

Where is John Edwards when we need him…. paging a serious, adult democrat….any serious, adult democrat……

Isn't Obama's "Yes we can" a direct ripoff from the California farm workers and Chavez from years ago?

Don't just read the article watch the videos of the two speeches. I did and must say I was shocked at the blatant plagiarism. It's much more than a simple use of a slogan here or there.

Right on Karen, Nobody seems to understand that there is so much red tape to go through before anyone can PUSH a program through,
why aren't we all standing up and taking notice. I saw Sen.Obama on screen thisafternoon at a Rally and he had a lady up there singing and whathave you. I think he should give in and go to his true calling of a Theatrical actor, the rally was ridiculous and he needs to get back to serious politics instead of the stupid things he is doing.

By the way why is everyone on Chelsea's back because she wants to talk to the people which is as it should be, nobody should be speaking to the press, especiall CNN they turn everything inside out and give a total differen meaning to everything.

Let's stop playing around, what Obama has done is called PLAGIARISM !!!!! What a "trustworthy" guy !!!!!!

I agree Ian Tepoot

Well lets hope it doesnt come down to who we would rather sit and have a beer with or were really in trouble again.

i am so glad someone brought up the name: cesar chavez… people, be careful what you wish for, you may get it…. CESAR CHAVEZ / OBAMA.. Need I say more??? wake up people.. it's too late for venezuelan's now.

Heres from the New York Times today about Mrs. Clinton

Many of her applause lines reprise the rhetoric employed by former Senator John Edwards, who dropped out of the presidential contest late last month after running on an explicitly populist economic message.

Mrs. Clinton told her audience that the Wisconsin primary on Tuesday and subsequent contests are “a chance for all of you here to help take our country back.

The oil companies, the drug companies, have had seven years of a president who stands up for them,” she says, looking directly into the camera. “It’s time we had a president who stands up for all of you.”

If I didn't know better, she stole these lines from John Edwards and Barack Obama.

If I were in college, and I had a friend who wrote a paper, could I hand that same paper in too with his permission?

When you take someones ideas without giving them credit that is plagiarism, permission means nothing.

I knew it! I knew we were going to see the real Obama come out sooner or later! He is such a fake . The speech he said was the same as Deval Patrick. All this time people thinking how good of a speaker he is wiht his speeches. What a fake! He copied Hillary's economic plan and now he copied Deval Patrick's speech. He is nothing but a joke! Obama is calling on us to hire him as our next President, ask yourself, Do you really what to hire a person who is showing us how he can't think for himself. When you are caught coping or cheating in life that says a lot about yourself. You are seen as not being credible. He is not mentally mature to be our president at this time. There is to much at stake in our country at this time and i don't think i will be voting for him. I will be voting for Hillary or McCain.

Obama is absolutely phoney. The only thing awe inspiring about him is his ability to manipulate the minds of the young into voting for an empty politician.

Ian Teppot,
of course Obama would say it was not a big deal. He is the one who has been caught red-handed, plagiarizing the speech, not she.

SO DOES THIS MEAN OBAMA'S SHEEP AREN'T EVEN FOLLOWING THE RIGHT PERSON?

I'm voting with more depth. Speeches and chant–especially plagarized ones–won't matter to me and my family, my job, etc. in the future.

I'm voting smart…VOTING HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON

Have mercy God, she's left with no other choice!

Thank You Dennis… (quoted)

Most people seem to be forgetting that most, if not all, of Obama's rhetoric is borrowed from John Edwards' 2004 and early 2008 campaigns. That "YES WE CAN" slogan was used originally by Edwards, and he coined the whole "change" movement before Obama took off with it. So Obama, of all people, should keep quiet about who lifted whose speeches"

The point is this, Hillary states that she WILL do something. This statement indicates that action is going to follow. Obama says he "can" do something. This indicates that the action considered is possible, it can be done, but it may not be done. This is a typical, lackluster tackling of the issues we can expect from a senator who "votes" "present" 200 times on difficult issues.

SHAME ON YOU NATASHA/SUPPORTER OF OBAMA
It's bad enough when sexist men use the 'emotional' card on a woman, but coming from another woman!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am glad you support Obama, as the saying goes… 'birds of a feather flock together'

This childish accusation is the new version of "Hillary cries"…

Another "trick" she got out of the bag, just one day before the Wisconsin elections.

Dirty politics at its best…

This thing will hit Hillary back.

People may have thought that her New Hampshire tears were real…but now it's just too much…only a fool wouldn't understand that this is another desperate last hour "trick"…

Voting for W. was like ellecting "W., the idiot"

Voting for Hillary would be like ellecting "Hillary, the dodger"…

This is why I'm glad the Republicans have a clear nominee for the election.

Hey, Hillary, if words don't matter, why don't you do us all a favor and stop talking. While you're at it, why don't you start citing your staff, husband, rivals, colleagues, and pundits when you give your speeches– after all, you "borrow" from all of them quite heavily, particularly Obama.

This is the pettiest thing I've ever heard– Obama asked a friend and colleague for advice, and then he used that advice. He had Deval's consent.
Please, don't vote for Hillary– don't tell future polititions that this is the way to win.

If Obama is acting like this when Hillary attacks him, what is he going to do when the Republicans attack him? Cry like a baby? Oh wait he'll steal something from someone else and use as his own, and his Obamazombies will accept it

SB, there's a story behind "fired up" that far precedes the Iowa caucuses… The notion that Barack Obama somehow stole "fired up" from the dull, uninspiring, shrewish Clinton is risible and the argument tenuous at best. Face it: your candidate already lost… Even WITH Florida and Michigan, she'd still be behind by about a dozen delegates, and unless she won Texas and Ohio by overwhelming margins, she would still come up short.

Obama '08

I am finally g lad that the cult is out of the bag. This cult movemnt and momentum is exaclty what makes me not want any part of the Obama clan. HRC has the power, knowledge and experience to become or next commander in cheif. Preachers are meant for the church not for politics. I want a leader and an individual who can not only have dignity with her peers but with other nations as HRC has already done as First Lady.
Take a good look at what has just been exposed? We need change thats true, and HRC is Change, being a first woman in office will prove that initself. I was an advate CNN watcher but I am so turned off by its biased news that I look else where for facts.
Do they get paid royalties for backing Obama? Hmmmm makes you wonder, why they dont give eqaul air time for the First Lady.

Hillary Rodham Clinton "O8″

Wow, there really are *no* depths to which the Clinton camp isn't prepared to sink. This is disgraceful–absolutely a sign of their desperation. HRC will do *anything* to claw her way to victory, even if she has to pull down one of the best candidates we've seen in decades in the process. Shame on them. Every time I see Billary play these dirty tricks, I just send more money to the Obama camp.

I think Deval did a better job on the delivery of the speech.

I think Obama and his camp are trying to pull a sneaky on the America people!

Good thing youtube is here you no by the people for the people!!

To all of you saying that "Obama complains about Hillary using his rhetoric?…"

I think your logic circuits are switched to the off position. He was not the one to bring it up, he says clearly about her chameleon-like use of his themes "I don't think its a big deal…"

The clear and obvious reason he is bringing it up in response is because it highlights the HYPOCRISY of Clinton's arguments. Much the same way her Reagan praise highlighted that hypocrisy.

Btw, both Deval and Obama share and discuss their similar vision and movement, and freely exchange ideas, as Deval himself pointed out (and added that he had riffed on themes from Obama also).

Senator Obama didn't say " Senator Clinton copied too" CNN is at it again manipulating and twisting his words to try and make him sound childish. CNN should just come out and endorse Senator Clinton, but that isn't as effective, is it. It works much better and you get more credibility when you pose as a legitimate news organization.

OBAMA NEVER SAID " CLINTON COPIED TOO" Senator Obama said he collaborated with is supporter and friend on this. Senator Obama then said Senator Clinton stole his campaign lines, he never used the childish line " copied too"

There needs to be an investigation with the FCC on CNN. This is getting too bizzare, with twisting words.

All I have to say is that the debate on Thursday is going to be a hot, ghetto mess. Why? Because Hillary is a hot ghetto mess. So petty and uncalled for.

Notice how Hillary copies off of Barack–but yet he hasn't used a single ideology from her. Why? Because she hasn't said anything worth quoting.

Why I despise the Clintons? Oh 'give me a break' do I really have to explain it at this point? The fact remains Hillary cannot win the general election. Only about half the democrats will support her since she ran such a lying, cheating, nasty campaign against Obama. The rest will hold their noses and vote for McCain. Obama brings in Republicans, like myself, and independents as well. So 1/2 the dems vs. the other half, some Republicans, and some independents. It realy is that simply but go ahead and live in denial and put Hillary in there and watch teh next Republican get elected. Wait, depising the Clintons is not a strong enough word…hate comes to mind. The Clintons suck. (or in Bill's case the opposite is true).

Obama leads an inspirational, positive, optimistic campaign.

Hillary leads a negative, sarcastic, cynical campaign.

Which attributes would you rather be lead by??????

and YES WE CAN isn't Obama's line … he stole it from the little engine that could !!!

Hahaha. Howard Wolfson is a joke. Chris Matthews pointed out to Wolfson on Hardball for stealing Obama's line, "Kick the tires." Wolfson used the line and said didn't even know that it was Obama's line. Hillary uses "Yes we can" all the time.

Just search "Howard Wolfson Steals Barack Obama Line" on Youtube.

I don't care who borrowed phrases. I just wish we had a candidate who cared about what real Americans need. We need to save our homes, jobs, affordable health care and a good education for our children.

Dear Clinton campaign members, GROW UP! I'm sure if Hillary or Bill's speeches were looked at, a little borrowing of words took place as well. Either Hillary has nothing left to help her losing position or simply likes slinging any dirt no matter how petty. Both candidates will rely on their advisors if elected anyhow to help in decision making. IN THE END THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE…MAY IT BE SENATOR OBAMA! Yeah I borrowed that line.

We need to know the truth about Obama. After all, he has not been subjected to the srutiny that Hillary has over her career. It is best to find out about him now before it is too late. Sometimes the truth hurts!

oh really the Clinton campaign is grasping at straws and this latest dust-up is just silly.

Has anyone seen a list of the lines that Hillary has borrowed from both Obama and Edwards?

Additionally, Obama's friend Patrick, suggested he use the lines!

Just more tempest in a teapot.

I can not believe that I ever considered voting for Hillary.

is it plagarism to say, "why can't we all just get along?"……

I can't wait for Obama to go to Texas and remind the Texans and the rest of the country what Ross Porot said in the 1992 debates when Bill Clinton was backing NAFTA. It was something like this "That swoshing sound you hear will be all of those manufacturing jobs being suck across the border to Mexico" My husband's sister lived in Texas after that and the economy sunk and lot's of jobs were lost and the housing market bottomed out. Ohio is suffering from it still today. How can they possibly support someone that was so for the exact thing that hurt them so badly?

We also lost the House and Senate in 1994 because the Democrats were so sick of the Clintons (Bill-NAFTA, and Hillary-health care). The unions refused to get out the vote, and most Americans refused to go to the election poll, because these two had turn their back to us.

Hillary is already showing America that she is turning her back to all of the supporters in the states that she didn't win. Just wait till she is in the White House, and 3/4 of the American people will no longer matter to her.

Can someone please explain to me what experience Hillary has? My husband has been in advertising for 20 years, can I put that I have advertising experience on my resume? Bill was president, her time in the White house was as a "wife". And she created enemies and her health care plan was a disaster. I only see that she has a few more years senatorial experience over Obama.

I also think Bill will always be a distraction and can't see her really leading this coutnry and working with middle eastern leaders on her own.

Obama is fresh and inspiring, those petty comments about his name or his religion show how desperate Clintonites have become.

A campaign is a war of sorts and "The Art of War," dictates that one does not let a tiny ember smolder into a blazing inferno and burn you in the process. Senator Obama is wise to respond to the slightest Clinton attack before it takes on a life of it's on. It may seem childish to some , however, the bottom line is this: Defend your reputation with your life; it's all you really have. Go Obama.

what words Obama uses matter.. Sure, why not? because that is what his campaign is based on…. big speeches!!!

Get real Obama-whiners….

He did it…no she did it!! I really want to vote for some change in government, but if these two keep acting like they are 5 fighting over who knocked over a vase….. I will place my vote somewhere else

Is this plagiarism? Well, I guess that depends on what the meaning of the word "is" is.

What should concern people is that a nominee for President is borrowing a line from Bob the Builder.

Sounds to me like someone was listening closely and trying to pick out something they could go with and this is so pathetic. Is this the best your campaign people can do Mrs.Clinton? Sounds like same ole Clinton politics to me.

If this is all you can get, that he copied someones words. Well, I say things like that all the time, I didn't know I was stealing words.

In fact when I first heard it, I thought about Dr. King, ~I have a dream~ not the governor.

Sounds like Hillary's campaign is struggling and looking for anything and Obama's campaign is replying…
I would never vote for Hillary because of the Clinton dirty politics. I am a white female in the middle income range from TEXAS.

Anyone for her should remember everything she and her husband have done in their policital lives. Lets remember her having to bring back items from the White House that were taken when they left, and Hillary supporters want her back in OUR White House, I don't think so.

Texans for OBAMA 08

So now Obama is reduced to, "Hillary did it, too.". Is that the best this mighty orator, who's campain seems to largely be about his campaign, can muster? Wow! Impressive!

I do think the Media brought this up first, not Clinton.

Let's get back to issues that the voters really are interested in. For example, why Hillary Clinton will not release her tax returns. Why does she refuse to release them? Is there something in there she does not want the voters to know about. If there is nothing to hide, why not release them. Far more important than what is said, is what is done. Witholding pertinent information from the American people is problematic. The people deserve to know how the Clintons earn their money. Transparency plese.

I am so tired of people saying that Clinton supporters are not informed.

I am very imformed and I support Hillary. Those who are so imformed about Hillary that hate her have yet to give any real reason why I should not. Everyone talks about these things Hillary and her campaign have done, but I find no evidence.

So when someone can give me facts, I will become more informed. FYI, going to web-site and claiming its factual is stupid. I can create a web-site and claim its fact, so don't send me to one that has no basis in fact.

If Hillary did not have the last name Clinton, you guys would have little to talk about.

If this is the only charge that Billary can claim, what a desperate move. This charge is so petty and shows what this ganster of a woman will resort to. She is scared to death because she literally felt the sense of entitlement and now is trying to save face. She is a loser, the country knows it and so does she. If per chance that suspected backroom deal is orchestrated as so many of us suspect, I declare….I will vote for McCain. Never will I vote for a Clinton or a Bush. really is there any difference. Change is on its way and she knows it better than anyone else. As I have commented before, Billary will do ANYTHING to get into the WhiteHouse including the breaking of your kneecap. She is desperado at this point. I pray that Barack wins by landslide so that this witch will hang up her shoes and go back where she belongs in Arkansas. What a disgrace to the Democratic party. When you are an imposter you can not run your racket over extended periods of time. The real evil spirit is rearing its ugly head again. That last debate was not a debate at all. Polite ans anything. Watch how nasty and attacking she will be on Thursday's debate..just watch. She will lie, lie, lie. Go Barack. maintain your dignity and integrity which your oppent has never known. Yes, we can!!!!! Yes we can!!!!! Yes we can!!!!!.

Plagiarism ended Joe Biden's 1992 campaign. Its a serious thing that would have gotten Obama expelled from college. Has Obama plagiarized before? If so, when?

This is silly on both parts. Although if Clinton says words don't matter, then why should she care? I also find it humorous that in her last few stump speeches she has unsuccessfully tried to get her crowd to chant "Yes We Will"….hmmmm sound familiar ? If she accuses him of copying , then why is she copying him?

Hillary is so desperate and clutching at straws.

I agree with Obama that this is not a big deal. Friends share words all the time. My question is why are the Clintons making such an uproar if "words "are empty. I thnk anything to be negative is their point .

O BITER IS NOT ORIGINAL AND HILLARY DOESNT CLAIM TO BE THE MESSIAH. AND I'VE HEARD ALOT OF POLITICIANS IN MY 35 YEARS SAY THE SAME CRAP HE DOES

First Hillary says that words don't matter. In response Obama uses the most famous phrases in U.S. history which many people use including Gov. Patrick. Now Hillary is critisizing Obama for using famous words of past U.S. Leaders. So, which is it Hillary? Do words matter or not?

I find it hard to believe this is getting so much attention.

One Democrat Attacking another Democrat for using famous phrases of past Democratic leaders. I can't wait for this Primary to be over.

Jeez!

Clinton's blatantly borrowed everything from "Change" to "Yes she will"!
If Patrick doesn't think it's a concern that his friend borrowed some words, I don't think the Clintonites should make such a big deal of a non-issue!

Enough of this crap!

If I have to keep reading about the kindergarteners, Obama and Clinton, with more childish antics, I just WON'T VOTE!

Who has there own words,they all have writers?????? What is the big deal and if you have friends so what. Clinton camp are you serious????

Is that that the kind of President you want dirty

Obama 08/12

Bill and Hillary Clintons will go as the DIRTIEST POLITICIANS of all time. Once again, they have resolved to DIRTY and NEGATIVE campaigning having realized there was no way both of them could beat this articulate, fresh and amazing politician called Obama.

They will end up stealing the nomination, but will be put to shame in the general election.

THIS COUPLE IS BAD FOR OUR DEMOCRACY !

hkitty wrote:

"The problem is not that one candidate is co-opting the words of another. It is that Obama is presenting his words as the center-piece of his election, rather than policy. As a result, his words have to be his own. As he has said, words matter. Well, they matter less when they are not your own and you have nothing of substance to back it up. Besides, we could also give credit to Bob the Builder for "yes we can" as well as Cesar Chavez. So ," yes we can" does not belong to Obama, he coopted from others and it is being co-opted from him. The problem is then there is nothing left."

Obama has never said his words are the centerpiece of his campaign. The media said so, not Obama. It is the media who branded Obama as te great speaker (when the truth is that Hillary is just as good a speaker). And by branding him the great speaker and orator. The centerpiece of Obama's campaign are his policies and plans, not his words.

My this is some discussion! Frankly, whoever gets elected — I have a long laundry list of "changes" I want her/him to implement from day one. To begin with — I want universal health care (good, quality, affordable care for all, with no exceptions). Second, I want the U.S. out of Iraq with intelligence, honor, and as much speed as possible. Three, I want billions of dollars spent in infrastructure improvements/updates. Fourth, I want a real 21st century green energy policy. Fifth, I want a true global effort to end poverty and terrorism. Sixth, I want public policy that recognizes we need to develop a job base where everyone isn't expected to be a doctor, lawyer, politician, lobbyist, or investor to own a home and send their children to college. Seventh, I want a "public" school system that actually works. Eighth, I want a foreign policy that protects us from our enemies, helps our friends, and has enough common sense to know the difference. Ninth, I want our export policy NOT to include arming the world with weapons (which are then purchased by our enemies and pointed in our direction). Tenth, I want some common courtesy extended to people who have opposing political views. Hey — get the message folks.

What a pathetic tactic by Clinton's. First they make allegations on Obama for copying the words and then when Obama responds to her, its all Obama's fault. He is the one who is childish. Clintons supporter please do some research and find out who start the fire first. Blame Clintons camp not Obama. She is being doing these things from start. Before any primary or caucus she will pick up the small mistakes from Obama and try to do the damage. She says words dont count then why are you fighting about who's words? She came with that Obama's weakest point is that he is not organized. He was very truthful in answering that. She made a point out of it. Now she says those red states and caucases dont count at all. Then why is she happy about winning New Mexico and Nevada. See Nevada people what she thinks about you. You guys dont count at all.

Overall she is the most polarizing figure and everyone can see it.

For all her small childish allegations there is only one answer

SO WHAT?????????

Karen-
Bill is NOT the Clinton that's running for president….

OK PEOPLE: PUT THE TOYS AWAY AND STICK WITH THE ISSUES, ISSUES, ISSUES. THANK YOU!!

You can get an F for plagiarism in college. This is serious Obama. You need to stop using other people speeches.

HILLARY STOP DIVIDING AMERICA

Your employer wouldn't hire you if you walked in with someone else's resume. Why should we vote for a President who's entire support is based on what others said and did?

Experiences has no value when you do not have good judgment. That only blind people's eyes. When people's eyes are blind, they make wrong judgment and choose the wrong president.!!

Check the Update: Obama is now playing it down as a not a big deal.

This is called BAIT N' SWITCH.

UPDATE: Obama Robbed in NY??….. what happened in NY?… why are they reporting 116 ( Obama) to 118 ( Clinton) and a recount under way… far more NEWS worthy than the Clinton camp Grasping at straws for headlines!!!!!!!!!!

are we really resorting to petty issues of "he said" "she said"? seriously, this is pathetic. this is a miniscule issue in comparison to everything else going on in this country right now. i'm glad obama realizes how ridiculous this is.

OBAMA '08!

After reading these comments, I weep for America. Both camps are off their rockers…

That's why he doesn't want to debate. It's hard to improve plagiarism.

"BLUE COLLAR WORKERS FOR HILLARY"??????

WOW!!!! I guess her support of NAFTA has really helped workers!!!!

Or doesn't the blue collar workers know about this!!!

Oh poor Obama and his cult disciples are facing the heat for once.Sometimes you can't hide behing the coat tails of your media buddies and the truth gets through.HE CLEARLY LACKS EXPERIENCE,HE IS THE OLD POLITICS AS USUAL BUT SAY IT WITH A SMILE CANDIDATE.HONESTLY OUTRAGEOUS PLAGARISM.

In the typical display of bias towards Obama - which CNN is becoming more and more guilty of - the headline reads: "Clinton copies too." There is a reluctance to attach Obama's name to anything negative on CNN. The headline as it reads attaches Clinton's good name to plagiarism while there is no headline doing the same for Obama. Let's not forget that whether or not Clinton "did it too," it was Obama's plagiarism that made news first. Where is the headline on CNN? Nowhere to be found. Precious.

Who cares?!?

Seriously…….

Is this really the biggest problem facing the country???
no? Then lets move on….

This latest smear campaign launched by Clinton is just further evidence that this unholy duo of Hilary and Bill needs to be removed from our political process once and for all. How desperate and pathetic is this woman.

I guess Obama and Paris Hilton have one thing in common…..claiming they invented a common phrase…

Now…whats the word for this personality…..hmmm….

Donovan -

I'm sure CNN is quaking at the thought of your "demands".

As for Clinton and Obama - c'mon guys, you're starting to sound like Republicans here. Soon you'll be demanding apologies for everything!

how will Obama deal with problems ( if president) without Hillary ideas around? We will hear all the time : yes we can, and other slogans, but what will be done really?
The new generation is troubling with all those shootings in Universities, all the drugs etc. How is Barack planning to deal with this? Does he have any idea? How is he thinking to deal with media -where everything is exposed, talked about but the real values? Like value of life, tolerance, education, morals, self control, global warming, respect to parents, school, older ones, nutrition and many many others?
Hillary 08!

You can't copyright these spoken words.
Anybody has the right to say them.

All the talking points are for gullible people that don't know how to think for themselves.

Same ol same ol. Save it for the Republicans.

Curb the bitterness, unless you want McCain go win.

Best post yet … Good question.

This is pretty petty on both candidates part…I just wonder if too much damage has not already been done.
Clinton supporters, if Obama wins the nomination will you choose to vote for McCain? If not, how can you support someone that you villify so readily?
Obama supporters, what if Hillary comes back to win, whether thru the popular vote or due to superdelegates support? Will you find it possible to campaign as vigorously for her as you have for Obama?
If you can't answer yes to these questions, then I think Mccain is a shoe in and you can all blame yourselves for that

Fired Up and ready to go - ok they both stole that one, neither one of them is the original on that phrase, and the "can we do it, Yes we can" is a complete bootleg of "Bob The Builder" so Nickelodeon is really the only one who can claim that phrase so for him to defend a slogan he stole from a cartoon is pathetic. But to compare catch phrases to almost an entire speech is an absurdity. I truly wish they would get past slogans and speeches and actually give us a substantive comparison on what they will do as leader of this country, John McCaine is looking like the "Grown Up" candidate.

This election is becoming uglier and more disappointing …
I really hope that Obama is a true leader. This country desperately needs one. However, I have to say that Obama, in his personal life, has a good dream, and in politics, is just another politician. I have not been following McCain because I don't like Bush and his team — a bunch of Republicans who have dragged this country into mud. Maybe McCain is worth considering.

I think those who doesn't see true Billary is either so naive or may something lack in their upstairs. I've been a political junkie ever since I realized that I made a big mistake in 2000 election. Yes! I watch more than two hours of C-SPAN everyday and I've watched almost every debates during this primary so far. Yeh! I was really tired of Bill's lies about that "I didn't inhale" or " I did not have sexual relationship with that women". So I voted for Bush because I thought that he was an honest man. But after 7 years of watching his arrogance, I really regret that I voted for him 8 years ago. I also regret that I wasn't actively involved in politics to promote not to reelect Bush in 2004 election. Now, I'm not that naive in politics and I can tell when somebody lies or avoiding to answer the facts. Initially, I thought Hillary is different. So I tried to separate her from Bill. She seemed to be very smart and caring person. Yeh! That's what I thought before I really known her better. She seem to be really honest and nice person. But then I discovered some other things about her and reevaluated her. I now know that what's really behind all those pretty face covered with smile.

To make my point: 1) think about her voting on Iraq war and what she says about it now. 2) think about her voting "Yes" on energy bill and what she said about during the debates ("I vote for it but I was hoping it didn't go through"). 3)think about her voting for the bankruptcy reform bill and now what she says about it? Does she really care about low income family who loses their home and suffers financial burden from hefty credit card charges? If she really does care, then she shouldn't voted for these bills. So I know all that promises she makes for low income people are empty promises.

On the other hand, I think Barack Obama is honest man at least. Who care about words? What we really care about is that what's behind those pretty words. I like his honesty, vision and hope. I think he is truly gifted with wisdom. Just being smart and having some dirty political experiences are not enough to be a good leader. Wisdom! That's it! I think Barack Obama has WISDOM.

To all the die-hard Hillary fans, have you seen The Hillary Movie? This woman is full of tricks– this is one of them to try to dis-credit Obama. Bill has been making plenty of money "making speeches" since he left the white house.

To all my fellow Obama supporters; just "consider the source" and it becomes clear why Hilliary is trying to make this a big issue. She is "scared" .

OBAMA 08

Hillary's campaign is in disseray. If she cannot manage a campaign, how can she manage the country.?

kevin from alaska.

the phrase "audacity of hope" is not Obama's. And he has admitted this in speeches and conversations. He, essentially, lifted it — but he credited the person (whose name escapes me now).

learn your facts, indeed!

As an Obama supporter, I wish he wouldn't even respond to such frivolous and distracting claims… is this what the Clinton campaign has been reduced to? How petty.

Iv'e told you guys before —Hillary is a chameleon. As soon as she hit
Texas she adopted Obama's style and even started using the word
"folks" which Obama has always used!! Right now she's VERY
DESPERATE. This is just the beginning. HOLD ON TO YOUR HATS.

slow news day……tomorrow will be better!

shes back to the same old games as in early january when she tried to shy away his support from white voters when she tried to bring his race to the fore-front.

when she gets backed into a corner, desperate begats petty for Mrs. Clinton and her camp.

This is not the way to win in November, Republicans will wipe the floor with her if she tries to nit-pick their campaigns.

she's always talking about how she can fight back against the republicans…i sure hope this B.S. isn't what she's referring to.

As an european watching the election hype I am a bit confused by the whole process.I am no fan of hilary but I fail to understand the "magic" of Obama.No doubt he is a good speaker but he has not had one single achievement in political life!
HE calls himself(!!!!) visionary and that is a bit like someone asking for people''s vote saying he''s brilliant! You do things brilliantly and then people should say you are brilliant.In the same way you cannot claim to be a visionary when you have no vision at all about the future of USA and have very similar proposals as clinton! Pray tell me what Mr Obama''s visons are?!! He reminds me of the britney,lohan celebrity culture where anyone who speaks well(now we know even the words were borrowed) and presents himself well can be your next president.The media loves to jump on the bandwagon just to show it can create celebrities out of nothing!If so how about making Scarlett Johansson the next president atleast we europeans will keep the her picture in our offices!

It is amazing that Obama compares his words to those of MLK and others. What an ego he has.

Why does the media not call him out for such claims.

He calls his election bid a movement - the Civil Rights Movement was and still is a movement. His election bid is NOT a movement.

Considering that all of the rest of the candidates have been stealing Dr. Ron Paul's lines for years, this isn't surprising if true.

It's also a "who cares?" non-story, and shows how desperate the Clinton camp truly is.

Obama should give Bob the Builder credit for "Yes, we can!"

Miss June-Hillary had a great deal of experience as a lawyer, as an advocate for children's right-a group MOST politicians even recognize because they lack the power to vote-women's and the poor's rights. It is there if you choose to acknowledge it.

At the very least, people should be reading the information on the websites of the candidates. If you aren't informed

Clinton's obviously desperate. If this is all they can come up with against Obama, then maybe its time to think about backing out graciously

I just watched the videos on youtube, Obama didn't just make it sound like somebody else, he copied word for word and pause for pause. And the other guy actually was a better speaker putting them side by side.

George,

That is plagiarism. . . .you are stealing from a Hillary speech. . . .where was the attribution.

Look ,,
If you have someone out their destorting your record you bet he has to answer that, just as long as he doesn't dwell on it. Barrack did that, and that was all that needed to be said. Hillary is trying to drag him into the mud with her because she has dished out all of her cards. If any of you know how to play spades she has thrown all her trumph cards out on the table. All she is doing know is throwing out 4 of clubs 6 of dimonds hoping that he will engage in a mud fest.. The jack of spades was played when she played the Gender card crying about everyone is picking on me because i'm a women.. The Qween of spades was played when she had to fire one of her campaign managers for using the Race Card, Her King of spades came when after she lost Iowa when she almost had a melt down on national tv, the ACE of spades came with the fear card basically saying vote for me or the boggie man is gonna get you, using the Dick Chaney play book, and she ran it step by step..She only has the Jocker left, and some say he is out there waggin his finger. America we need a change!!!!!

KENNY

If Barrack never said anything you same people would be saying he is too SOFT, and wouldn't be able to handle the republicans or any other country. So with some of you he will never win your vote However, there are many, many other Americans that would like to know that he will be a strong man.

This is not a big deal…. he used lines with permission from the writer, Patrick.

Let's not make a mountain out of a mole-hill.

NEXT topic please.

This is another pathetic attempt at discrediting Obama. I just don't understand why the Clinton supporters don't see her for the hypocrite she is. Case in point…do you really think she's worried about the "pour voters" in Florida and Michigan? Think again! She will do whatever it takes to win. If the democratic party agreed to split the delegates evenly, she would change her tune. The people in Ohio need to know how she really feels about outsourcing. they should google Tata Consultancy. Instead of "ready on day one", her campaign slogan should be "what's in it for me?"

The majority of the Obama supporters seem to forget that Senator Clinton did not make these allegations first, another news source, ABC broke the story, and CNN as well as others followed it up. Do your research/reading if you intend to bash another candidate (which I don't support).

I have been saying all along that Obama is nothing but hot air, and this is a great example.

If he get the Democratic nomination over Hillary I will vote for John McCain. I WILL NEVER VOTE for false hope and the con artist tendencies of Obama!

Hillary 2008 - A candidate with a real brain, not just speech writers!

I just want to thank Hillary and Bill for all they are saying and doing to help get Obama into the White House. Sincerely, An Obama Supporter

DefiantRican, Not sure what you meant by this comment, but I want you to help me understand what you meant. I'm not racist, but just want to understand.

All I can say is Hillary in 08. Barack is a cry baby and a whiner. He will lose ultimately. Once his "people" forget how to vote.

Go Hillary in 08

Felipe….

Speaches is spelled SPEECHES!

You are allowed to take from my post if you would like. I give permission!

THIS IS REDICULOUS! WHEN I WAS YOUNG I WAS A DEMOCRAT NOW MY VEIWS ARE MORE IN LINE WITH REPUBLICANS FOR THIS VERY REASON. THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY IS FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE LOOKING FOR GOVERNMENT TO PARENT THIER EVERY MOVE, AND ARE LOOKING FOR A SOCIAL HANDOUT INSTEAD OF TAKING PERSON RESPONSIBILITY FOR THEM SELVES AND ACTIONS. THEY TEND TO ALWAYS LIVE IN THE GREY OR SAFE ZONE INSTEAD OF LOOKING DOWN THE GUN BARREL ON TOUGH ISSUES. SOMETIMES PEOPLE HAVE TO SUFFER OR DIE THATS LIFE. tAKE THE MORGTGAGE CRISIS, IM SORRY THOSE 480,000 PEOPLE SHOULD JUST EAT IT BECUASE THE PUBLIC SHOULDN'T FOOT THE BILL FOR YOU BAD CHOICES.SOME THINGS YOU JUST HAVE TO LIVE WITH AND GET OVER. DONT BUY THINGS YOU DONT HAVE THE CASH TO PAY FOR.THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY IS FOR CHILDREN OR LIKE MINDED ADULTS WITH A CHILDLIKE COMPLEX. BOTTOM LINE…GROW UP

Recess is over. Let's get back to the election. Both of you.

This is just sad.

I'm starting to understand all the "Kool Aid" references to Obama supporters - no matter how you twist it, you cannot say he has the experience and success that Hillary has had. And experience will be necessary to dig us out of this hole Bush has put us in.

And to those of you who don't know the difference between Bush and Clinton - get a CLUE! Bush and Clinton are NOT the same and never have been. And as I recall when Bill Clinton left office we did not have a monsterous deficit, a rapidly shrinking pool of allies and a terrible reputation for our International relations! You can thank Bush for those lovely items that the next President will have to deal with. You want to blame Hillary for not being able to push though some of her healthcare changes? Since when can the First Lady just "DECIDE" to push through a bill? There are a lot of other fingers in the pot every time there is a vote so get a clue before you throw that around.

Absolutely no way are either of these people getting my vote. I am a long time Democrat turned, just this year, Republican.

McCain '08

Cyrille

If you are going to quote somebody, please spell their name correctly or look it up.

Gandhi is the correct spelling.

OK, even though I am a supporter of Hillary Clinton, I will give Obama the benefit of the doubt since the media does have a way of distorting and dramatizing things. With that said, I will also say Obama "GROW UP!" I certainly hope that this finger pointing mentality and the shrugging off of personal accountability is not a preview to your foreign policy, because we already had 7 years of that mentality and guess what it didn't work. Tit for tat politics or foreign policy isn't generally that effective. So fess up, be mature and move on.

I tried sending an E-Mail to my Illinois Senators during the attempt to get a marriage amendment. The messages I received back were almost word for word exactly the same thing. You could tell that the Democratic party had sent the senators involved the response they wanted them to respond with. So this type of thing happens all the time. It is just the repitition of the party-line marching orders.

Hillary Clinton is perceived to be a looser after Barack racked up eight state win. As a result, she started negative attack. The problem with this tactics is not new and it has failed time after time.

The desire is to elect someone from the Democratic party. Therefore, party internal fighting over petty, insignificant matters turn people off.

If Hillary really wants to replace Bush with someone from the Democratic party. Running a fair and balance campaign is essential.

As an independent voter in Texas, I will cast my vote to Barack simply based on my dislike of dirty tactics.

Seriously, and this is why I'd never vote for a slick snake like Clinton, I'm sick of these knee jerk reaction attacks from the Clinton campaign and supporters.

First they throw out these accusations with words that are meant to invoke instant tag line emotional responses from voters without acknowledging the whole concept. Like "Obama wants to disenfranchise the voters in Florida" … somehow this is his fault that they broke the rules and he wasn't allowed to campaign there? It's a cheap trick to use language like "plagiarism" and "disenfranchised voters" to get these knee jerk reactions from voters that don't pay close enough attention to politics to know that they are petty and hollow accusations from that camp.

Way to play dirty pool Hillary. I have news for you, the American people are not as dumb as you think. That's why Obama is beating you now, every time you do something like this, most of us see it for what it is. I was on the fence between Obama and Hillary for the longest time, but the minute Hillary and Bill started acting like petty children, the decision wasn't hard after that. They continue to make me realize I made the right choice every time they spew a petty line of attack or act like a spoiled child attacking their own party for the sake of their own political power moves. The Clinton's are clearly not interested in what's best for the Democratic party or America, they are interested in what can get them another 8 years in the White House.

Obama is for change, a lousy change. When I have to choose between a lousy change and the proven experience, I would go for the experience. I believe in change but the change has to be for better, not for worse and Obama's idea of change is so lousy that I am almost getting sick of hearing the word CHANGE.

Obama should continue to play it smart, give Edwards the VP slot
for his endorment.

Arland/Baltimore, Md.

Okay,

So when Barack cited his estimates for troop withdrawal in South Carolina, and Hillary said she wasn't sure how many units and in what time frame she would withdraw, then in California she cited Barack's exact statements from South Carolina, that wasn't plagiarism. gotcha!

With respect to this issue, there aren't but so many ways to quote statesmen and founding fathers in this particular context. Those particular words, when used, will be precisely the same. Obviously, Deval Patrick was consulted here, which would explain why he takes no issue with the similarity and scope of what has been said.

The most perplexing and germane thing to this whole line of criticism placing and diminished value on one's words is what really concerns me. I am curious if Mrs. Clinton really means to tell the American people that what people say doesn't matter? Obviously Mr. Obama has healthy doses of substance to his words; his plans in each category of his platform have been reduced to writing and published via his website, just as her's have. So that argument is tacitly baseless from the start.

And if what people say means nothing, then why is she speaking so much?

So should Obama be siting sources at the end of every speech?

Can we expect Clinton to do the same?

Yeah but even his "Yes we can" line came from a 10 year old Wesley Snipes movie. My friend happened to be watching it last week and there was Snipes yelling to people "Yes we Can". Can't this guy even come up with his own "catch phrase"? If he can't even do something simple like that then how do you supporters expect him to run your country. He has no experience. Go Hillary

I was a Hilliary supporter until she allowed Bill to degrade Obama prior to the South Carolinia primary. Bill's rhetoric was disrespectful to the African American community by implying that he knew exactly how they think. Citing Obama's campaign was a 'fairytale' adventure and full of criminal elements was a huge and unfortunate mistake for the Clinton campaign. Now anyone who didn't know the real Clintons have a good idea of what they currently represent. Hilliary's message had a center approach, now that she is competing with Obama it has a more conservative tone, a tone that keeps this country divided. The time is right for electing someone who wants progress for human beings regardless of race creed or culture.

Yeah but even his "Yes we can" line came from a 10 year old Wesley Snipes movie. My friend happened to be watching it last week and there was Snipes yelling to people "Yes we Can". Can't this guy even come up with his own "catch phrase"? If he can't even do something simple like that then how do you supporters expect him to run your country. He has no experience. Go Hillary

Fools for Hillary—she doesn't even write her own books, and Bubba writes her speeches.

No politicians write their own speeches. (That's why they have the position of "speechwriter"!)

Do you think W. ever wrote one of his own? (Even the thought of it makes me chuckle…)

Who really cares? At least he was not borrowing lines from W's speaches….

Wow! How much lower can we go? Who cares who uses what rhetoric. Guess it shows just how low the Clinton's will go to get what they want.

Where has politics in the U.S. gone?

The Dem campaign is is crash and burn mode. They will squander another gimme. They never learn. John McCain will be the next prez .

Here is an idea people, stop listening to the media, friends, family, actually do some research, and learn how to think for yourself… this is the reason why it does not matter who is in office next… the damage has been done and it is going to take a lot more then one president to right the ship.

This is stupid. The Clintons are attempting to use a non-issue to put a cloud in the minds of people when it comes to Obama's character. Making this about character is a personal attack. And the most absurd thing… in using the language of Kerry Healey (a Republican), Hillary Clinton attacked Obama as lacking substance (pretty speech vs "real" action). He responded with a line that he may very well have helped formulate in conjunction with Deval Patrick (who defeated Healey).

So, isn't this a case where Clinton took (stole/plagiarized/etc) an attack line from a Republican and Obama responded with something that he likely helped come up with to counter that same stale attack?

I think CNN is pro-Obama. For instance, the mailer he used in Utah and Nevada was ignored by almost all news media including CNN. When Hillary Clinton says something it is a "negative" ad. When Obama does the same thing it is called "jabs". "Fired up" and "ready to go" were not uttered by Obama for the first time. McCain said it last week. The "just words" speech is huge suspect in my opinion because it was delivered by Obama as though it was his own to make an important point. He could have said as my friend D. Patrick stressed in his 06 campaign speech…something like that. It is also beside the point whether D. Patrick gives Obama the right to use his material, the point being people actually thought Obama was different and not a typical politician with original, sound and inspirational ideas. I am very disappointed.

B.t.W. no mistake in MSNBC, but did anyone of you read MSNBC with Obama admiting the borroing? Did CNN by any chance read the article? or maybe they did notlisten to the very same Mr Obama….
Antoher one: Yes, we can is not from Mr Obama is from Venezuelan president Mr Hugo Chavez (see the consecuences Venezuela is paying for that use), and you arefired is…TRUMP!!!

This is not news - that Clinton copied! She doesn't have a line that is original!

As for issues, she has been borrowing Barack's and embellishing from day one.

I DISTINCTLY remember her almost totally plagiarizing his healthcare policy! It is SO irritating. I would hate to deal with such a competitor. This kind is clinging, like a leech. She sucks the blood out of one or tries to.

Even now, every speech of his is followed by something very similar from her, every slogan, everything. It's maddening.

However, it's also so transparent! The whole world can see how ridiculous this is, I wouldn't dignify her campaign with responses or any defensive stance. They are simply trying to turn the tables, as with the race issue, and so many others.

He is an "Obamanation" being pused by the liberal media because they want a colored President they can manage