(CNN) - In what may be bad news for Clinton, Democrats across all four states overwhelmingly say they want super delegates to vote based on which candidate finishes ahead in the pledged delegate count at the end of the primary season.
Majorities of Democrats in Texas (62 percent), Ohio (61 percent), Rhode Island (57 percent) and Vermont (66 percent) all said the super delegates should cast their vote for the primary winner, not for who they think can best win in November.
Why is this bad news for Clinton? As CNN's John King has made clear on his interactive delegate map, it is nearly impossible for Clinton to catch up to Obama's pledged delegate count. She would have to win the rest of the states convincingly to do so, given that the party allots delegates proportionally. Barring large blowouts in the remaining contests, its likely Clinton will finish behind Obama in pledged delegates.
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–CNN Senior Political Analyst Bill Schneider
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And Obama can't win either.........
This is what many of us have been saying all along. The democratic primaries end tonight...or should. Hillary Clinton cannot make up the numbers from this poing forward. She would need to win 60/40 in ALL REMAINING primaries just to draw even to Senator Obama. That won't happen. It's over. Bow our gracefully please.
She really should bow out gracefully. She will hurt the party big time if she doesn't. So many people will be insanely angered if Obama wins the popular vote but superdelegate croneys go for her.
re-do the vote with fla and mich added back in....hillary wins.
Rhetoric is not enough to lead this country during difficult times. Change, Hope – but how, how much will it cost.
He is way too liberal, too much of a fraud. No one bothered to check his record and frankly, I don't want a candidate who was put in primarily by young adults who for the record, rarely vote. I know, I'm a precint warden in my city and I can count on my hand how many people under 30 come in to vote.
My vote goes to McCain.
Would it not be cost effective if Senator Obama simply moved his campaign HQ over to CNN?
1 of the 2 needs to just drop out already. At this point, things are so screwed up I hope Obama drops out and let's Hillary self-destruct and lose by a landslide. At this rate, neither one will win if the petty arguing keeps going.
Michigan and Florida broke the rules. If your kids broke the rules don't you have to punish them. It is not some grand conspiracy they were warned repeated don't break the rules dont break the rules. What did they do? Broke the rules. If you have kids and they break the rules after you threatened to ground them you don't just let them out of being grounded... not if you're a good parent at least. Michigan and Florida broke the rules and should not be pardoned... an I am from Michigan originally with Obama supporters who still live in Mi.
Hillary is a FIGHTER!!! Typical of Obama supporters to suggest she just give in when MILLIONS of Americans still look forward to voting for her. Who knows what will happen when the Rezko slime really begins to rub off on Obama and his real estate shenanigans.
GO HILLARY!! You are AWESOME, baby!
Thanks Rhode Island!!!
When Obama was down by the same numbers no one was asking him to bow out. What's changed?
Obama is afraid of superdelagates, they're would not be able to be pegged into his base.
If I had voted my race, I would have been discarding everything that MLK stood for.... Luckily, I cast an educated ballot.
Hillary '08
the sooner those chubby cheeks are out of my face the better..
I'll vote for McCain .. COUNT ON IT!
ANYTHING would be better than a CLINTON!
OHIO
It looks bleak. Unfortunately, she's not going have enough time to become our Presidential candidate this year. I'm hoping Veep! Keep HOPE alive!
Obama/Clinton for Democratic President 2008!
SELFISH HILLARY
SELFISH HILLARY
SELFISH HILLARY
SELFISH HILLARY
SELFISH HILLARY
SELFISH HILLARY
One "co-presidency" is not enough for you.
Finally a non-pro Hillary article. Go Barack Obama!!!
IT'S A WIN-WIN EITHER WAY IF WE CAN KEEP MCAIN FROM WINNING!WE DON'T NEED ANOTHER BUSH IN THE WHITE HOUSE.
unless Hillary wins 70-30 from now on, even Michigan and Florida won't help her lead in the delegate count and she would have to get the super-delegates to go again st the will of the voters for her to become the nominee and if that happens, you have just shrunk the party by 20 to 30%...not good!!!
If Democrats are ignorant enough to give the nomination to Hillary Clinton, then they are handing the race to John McCain.
Hillary Clinton is not a uniter. She is not going to draw people into the party. For almost 2 years, I've listened to people moan and complain about the tactics of destruction, spin, and deceit. Don't fool yourselves: Hillary Clinton is just as bad as George Bush.
I'm sad that more people can't see it.
I would rather lose the election and play fair. Hillary Clinton might win, but Democrats will be the losers in the long run. It just proves that negativity and mud-slinging are winning tactics.
the sooner those chubby cheeks are out of my face the better..
I'll vote for McCain .. COUNT ON IT!
ANYTHING would be better than a CLINTON!
OHIO shame on you..
AFRAID of change..
well, it will come around the corner
might just mow you down
McCain is laughing right now because the Republican party is united. The democrats need to be just as much so if they're going to have a prayer of overcoming the Republican machine. Unfortunately, the longer these primaries go, the longer they will become divided against one another.
Democrats, stop arguing.
I agree Florida and Michigan voters do count!!!!
I second what Steve said. This should end tonight. Obama has won 13 or 14 to 1, maybe two. Oh, and Donald, Hillary knew the rules before Florida, no repeat of the Florida steal 4 years ago is going to happen today.
That's right...neither can Obama. Florida should count.
that wouldn't be fair Donald now would it? Both candidates were fully aware that those states held no delegates. The only way that it would be fair would be to hold the election again. In MI Obama's name wasn't even on the ballot so voters couldn't have voted for him if they wanted to. Now if you want to split the delegates down 50-50 then I could live with that.
she who laughs last, may have the last laugh?
Florida and Michigan BROKE the Party rules. Under NO circumstances should their delegates be allowed any votes. Rules are Rules. The idiots in those two States who decided to go ahead anyway and change the dates after they were warned have made their beds. Play by the rules or don't play at all! We here in Michigan who were Obama supporters did not vote as we were told it was'ent going to count anyway. The Democratic Party in Michigan is trying to shove Hillary down our throats ! NO WAY!!!
i cant believe this crazy mess. Dean should be fired as the head of the DNC. The dems had a prime and perfect opportunity to UNITE. ITS apparent to us an OBAMA/CLINTON or CLINTON/OBAMA ticket would unite the dems and potentially the country.
each will carry thier momentum and voters to the national election.
This was the ULTIMATE unification of the party and it appears as if the dems will squander it and the Republicans WILL recapture the white house and saddle us with another 4 years of George Bushes policies.
Reinstate and redo Florida and Michigan voters!!
ALso Hillary will win all the big states: New York, CAli, Texas and Ohio!
If Clinton wins RI, OH and TX tonight, Obama should consider dropping out. He had three opportunities to knock her out. He can't close the deal. So either he drops out or we stop talking about anyone dropping out.
Hillary can't win even if they re-do the primaries in Florida and Michigan. She is too far behind in pledged delegates.
If she stays in the race, she will only sling more mud Obama's way, and that will only push more people toward McCain.
She needs to bow out and support Obama. This would show she really is putting the Democratic party before her own selfish ambition.
And just who are these "democrats"?? Independents and Republicans disguising themselves as democrats? The superdelegates should perform their job the way it was originally intended......cast an independent vote based on their judgment of who would be the best president.
Anyone who says the superdelegates should vote based on the way their districts voted displays the thinking patterns of an adolescent......just follow the crowd because it's the "in" thing to do. Don't use your own brain to figure things out for yourself; simply allow other people to do your thinking for you. And if they can pressure you to vote their way, so much the better. Why isn't anyone talking about the Obama supporters who are THREATENING the superdelegates in an attempt to get them to vote for Obama?? Of course Obama knows this is being done, which speaks volumes to what this man is really about and what he's capable of. This is NOT a man of positive change or hope.......he is no better than the corrupt and/or terroristic people he says he is against.
Donald is right...we are missing two important states in the current delegate count. We need to win the election. Winning small states does not make you president.
DO WE want four more years of Republican leadership?
If the vote is redone in mich and fla. Obama will win, you must remember she only won because Obama did not campaign in those states.
well of course she'll lose texas because the republicans are out in droves voting for obama because they think he's an easy candidate to beat for mccain.
I am totally disgusted with Obama threatening to sue Ohio if they don't re open the polls. Poor baby... just cause he is loosing. Him and his wife are too sickening to even look at!
The press this evening, with the exception of Tom Brocaw, have tried their best to make Hillary out to be a villain for running a campaign designed to help her become the Democratic candidate. They have spent the evening castigating her. To all the media at MSNBC but Tom Brocaw, who is too much a gentleman to join in piling on her, I say, "shame on you!"
Having the superdelegates vote with the primary results works fine... in PRIMARY states. There is ABSOLUTELY no reason that superdelegates in caucus states should have to vote proportionally to the caucus results. It is not the will of the people. It's not a result of a fair, proportional vote. It's a loaded, political process no different than letting superdelegates vote their conscience.
Why on EARTH should she bow out? Almost half the democrats want her and suggesting that she should concede show incredible bias and a lack of respect for democracy.
The fact that as Floridians our votes don't matter to the Democrats, doesn't mean Clinton shouldn't get them.
Furthermore, if anyone thinks Obama can beat McCain, they misunderstand the voting public. Obama is the divisive candidate now and just like with Kerry the media are far too close to see it.
CNN – could you please just stop with the venom until people have finished voting? Are you so worried that Obama might lose?
Go Hillary – ignore this stuff.
The old world Democrat hold is losing grip and new world true liberal party roots grows back in power in Obama.
With the Texas delegate count, Obama's lead is substantial!
For the democratic process, bring on Florida and Michigan. Realize Obama didn't campaign there and there is a large African American pop there. He would do quite well in Florida and in Michigan I believe almost as many people there voted undecided than voted for Clinton.
Electability people. HRC's strengths of military support and experience compared to Obamas are smashed when you compare her to McCain. The right knows they can beat Clinton, but not Obama.
Vote Obama 2008
seriously CNN, this bias has got to stop, let her enjoy her victory night
It is time the Democratic race is done. Hillary will not catch up with Obama until June. If she chooses to continue, the Democrats will be divided. Hillary will continue to divide the party paving way for the Republicans to win the White House. The superdelegates and Democratic politicians should take part now or the Republicans will again take the White House.
Lol,she winning MI? Yeah right,I can see her winning in Detroit,NOT.
When the truth comes out about Barack, everyone will be wondering why the press didn't do their job sooner. Not only did we lose some terrific candidates early on, but McCain is really the stronger candidate. I'd rather have character and substance in a President.
I Say Again!!! A-way-to-go. John Mccain... Just a plain......
USA American Again.....
John King spoke words of truth! Mrs Clinton if you have dignity you would bow out. (because even with Michigan and Florida, you would still not have enough votes)
Why on EARTH should she bow out? Almost half the democrats want her and suggesting that she should concede show incredible bias and a lack of respect for democracy.
The fact that as Floridians our votes don't matter to the Democrats, doesn't mean Clinton shouldn't get them.
Furthermore, if anyone thinks Obama can beat McCain, they misunderstand the voting public. Obama is the divisive candidate now and just like with Kerry the media are far too close to see it.
I'm so sick of hearing about FL and Michigan. Hillary agreed along with everyone else that the votes in those states wouldn't count. But of course, she couldn't resist going against the grain to campaign there, then have the gall to actually try to insist that the votes count. Doesn't everyone know by now that Obama wasn't even on the ballot? She doesn't deserve to be president, she's a lunatic.
It's time for Hillary to say good bye.
She was corronated the Nominee months ago and she got over confident. Now a better Orator has come along who seems to be able to capture the imagination of both Democrats and Republicans.
This is the Republican Party's worse nightmare.
Beating Hillary was no problem, but beating a Black Rock star Politician that has more charisma then John Kennedy is going to be tough. especially with an old crusty guy like McCain.
He is George Bush on laxatives. He hasn't a chance
My two cents,
Dave Arbuckle
Donald, you are the same kind of loser tha tthe Clintons, thiose two states screwed themselves out of where they are right now. So go re-do your brain! Onama wins and that is it.
New Yorkers are waiting for the wicked witch to come back home.....Good bye Hillary....
Yeah Schneider....only you and John kong believe in those lies...
SHE IS DONE...........There is just no way she can catch up period.
At this point it seem Hillary Clinton wants to pull the entire Democratic party down with her. If she doesn't win the nomination then the party should loose the general election. SHe has attacked Obama more than what the republicans would have done or do. She doesn't care about the American people, she keeps decieving people and herself that she is a fighter. ALl she fights for is her super ego. UNITE THE PARTY NOW OR RISK LOOSING THE GENERAL ELECTIONS TO THE REPUBLICANS
one drop out".one to go.guess who's next?i can tell you it's not obama.
Obama should drop now. LOOK, despite all his money coming from somewhere, despite of all the concerts, despite the negative media protrayal of Clinton, she has real supporters out there, the real democrats. Even if you call them older from 30 to infinity, these are the real people who thinks about issues that can affect their kids and their real life.
The Obama-bots are just partying, they dont know what real life is. OBama should give up now. He should just keep the money he has. Hillary is the clear winner on this if you count the odds against her.
Don't count her out, Schneider... She'll still spin it to her advantage. She's good at that stuff.
I really don't know how this is a question of who to vote for..... Hillary is going to continue to send jobs overseas. She was clearly for NAFTA.... which is fact. Since our economy is in the ditch, how is this a question? Blind leading the blind in Ohio? Vote for Obama!
This only works, if, as you say, superdelegates vote based on which candidate finishes ahead in the pledged delegate count at the end of the primary season. They DON"T always, though, and you can't make them, Bill, even if you're just itching for Obama to be the next nominee.
Donald:
I'm sick of people saying that. No candidate campaigned in those states. If you want to be fair, let's be the democratic country we are. Let them campaign and fight it fair. None of this, "well she won there so you should add it in." All the candidates (and voters) knew that there were no delegates being given to them. So either suck it up and accept it or just let it be fought democratically.
haha oh well Hillary, you tried. Follow Mike Huckabee's outstanding sportsmanship and drop out. Lets get this party united behind Obama and end this extremely scare long shot. Sure if this condition is right at this time in this place with these people, you MAY break even with Obama. But how many what-ifs will it take to justify you continuing your campaign Hillary?
I'm sorry, but I think you should grow up and drop out. I know it was your dream, but there are bigger things out there than you.
If the superdelegates vote against our vote ore change the rules of the game in mid play,we will vote for the Bush man McCain. You can take that to the bank.
Demo party creatively invented all these rules against general election, and that's why they only have Clinton as president in the last 28 years.
Winner take it all, use primary vote only, and count all states.Follow the rules of general election, that's the only way you can choose someone who will WIN eventually.
May take another 8 or 16 years for them to realize this, go GOP!
Hillary Clinton will not be the democratic nominee.
She knows it, but the pride of the Clintons is just too big.
She is using the politics of destruction on Obama. But the Clintons will never again have the special place they had in the Democratic Party.
I thought this meant they should vote for who won THEIR state they are from?
Except Hillary agreed that those shouldn't count. That decision stands by party rules (which don't need her support anyway).
At this point she really needs to think about the party and how people will start seeing her. The view of her is going to get increasingly negative as she fights to hold on to a losing battle. People may genuinely thing she is the best one for the job, but at this point it really is nigh on impossible for her to get that number of delegates. If she stays in, she will be viewed as in it for herself, not for the democratic ideals.
Hillary, please step down for the sake of the Democratic party. We need to unite so we won't fall! Of course she is going to continue because she'd rather her buddy McCain win.
Bill, it is not that simple as dictating the outcomes by a poll. If Hillary makes a comeback, as we see her beginning to do, and Obama begins weakening, as we see him starting to do, despite outspending her 3 to 1 in some cases, then the superdelegates are going to have to take a long hard look at what looks like a close race, and decide what is best for the party. In fact, we are seeing that the NAFTA wink and the REZKO fact-dodging are beginning to cut into the squeaky-clean image of Obama, and people are starting to realize it is busines as usual with him. I think much will ride on Pennsylvania still to come.
I was'nt able to vote in Fla,but sorry im backing Obama all the way.Let this thing end tonight.Please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
There is no way that Clinton can catch up to Obama. His message of bipartisanship, transparent politics, and shying away from the “politics as usual” campaign negativity make him a winner.
McCain starts his campaign for the presidential elections tomorrow. Come on Dems, we need to start or we'll be trounced in November. Clinton really should bow out, because in the end, it's very likely that Obama will win anyway. Let's not wait till the summer to start our presidential campaign. That spells trouble.
Obama has ~ 1387 delegates and Clinton hs ~ 1278 delegates. That's a difference of only 109 delegates. Aren't there ~ 600 delegates left? It ain't over til its over. And why do we have to know the nominee before the convention? Isn't that what the conventions are supposed to do – pick the nominee?
let's not forget CNN was wrong when they called FL in the last election. ANYTHING can happen and that's why we are a free willing and thinking country.
I also hope FL goes and does a redo in voting!
If anyone should bow out, it is Obama, leaving the race to the experienced candidate. Obama will have a chance again, in 8 years, when he has had the time to earn it!
Donald...added back in? You mean have real elections there? She's lost TWELVE primaries in a row...what makes you think she'd win EITHER of those states? She still doesn't catch Senator Obama!
This is over. Go to a website that has a delegate calculator. She cannot catch up. Hard as it might be to the Hillary Dolts who somehow have believed the spin of "Winning through losing," this race is over. She's lost.
You might believe she "deserves the nomination" but she's lost.
She may (or may not) have more experience, but she's lost.
Enough.
Delegates should vote the candidate of their choice along their party line. In this case, Democrat super delegates should vote for the candidate that has majority vote from the people.
Michigan and Florida won't get their votes back...They knew the consequences when they moved up their primaries...Please Hillary, maintain some dignity and bow out while you still can maintain your good name...
I hope she doesn't bow out. We don't vote til May and I hate to think I don't have a say in who I want on the ballot. I think it's rather pompous of all others who"ve already had that choice to think it should end tonite,that the rest of America has to settle, or that MI and FL shouldn't count. I want to see it go to the end and see Obama exposed more than than he already has been. We need a strong candidate. The Republicans will eat Obama up. The nicey nicey speeches end tonite from McCain.
Haven't know that she can't clinch the nomination, she should step aside with dignity just like Huckabee.
It will be unwise for Democrats to tear themselves down when the republican are organizing their bit for the whitehouse.
Lst the unity begins now Hillary, it is all over for you and for the sake of peace and unity step aside.
Thank Hillary and her supporters. It has been a tough race, many pouch were thrown, lots of negative campaign were label against Obama, but the sacrify is to uniting Democrats.
I would love to see Hillary loose by a landslide to McCain......I've been suffering for so long, what's 4 more years, lol.
She should but I dont think she will.The way she carried herself after losing the the last few times shows me that she will fight (shes a fighter remember)What I look for her to do is try to get the Florida and Michigan votes to count.
If you want Florida to count, then we should be able to re vote. Because I was told it would not count, I did not vote! So if you want it to count, then we should re vote! (although I still believe, that even with Florida and Michigan Mrs Clinton would not have enough for the nomination)
It's not about the democratic party it's all about the Clinton's winning at any cost.
Red phone add.
McCain and me Hillary have more experience.
Both those adds will be used against Hillary as she has no experience other than a few years as New York Senator.
Her vote on going to war was calculated that the war would be over by the time she would run for President.
Little did she know that Bush would bungle it for her.
and give a good reason why they should bow down.Because todays youth say so and there parents have always done what they where told thats why they really dont get it. Your schooling and childhood where brought to you buy the clintons
Obama isn't doing so well tonight because of HIM, not because of Hillary, the media, or McCain. It's reasonable that the media, and his opponents, are beginning to take a closer look at him; after all, he is "interviewing" for the most important job in America. It's not the media's or Hillary's fault Obama got involved with Rezko, and it's not their fault that his guy spoke to Canadian officials. Perhaps Obama supporters don't care about any of these issues; however, the rest of America has a right know. I have some news that might surprise everyone: Obama is a typical politician – no different than Hillary or McCain (they each say whatever they have to say to get elected)! The audacity of truth!
Wow Black Man for Hillary... in one sentence you've managed to disrespect and insult your race. If there are blacks out here feeling the way you do about blacks then I see why the black community is in the state it's in.
Bills word has not been that good in the past. I hope it has improved and Hillary will go home. She is definitely not going to win Texas and Ohio.
He should take her home.
TO THE DNC or ANYONE
YOU MUST GROW SOME AND END THIS !
Here is what is happening.
1. Hillary KNOWS she CANNOT win.
2. So she is willing to take Obama down enough for McCain to beat Obama in Nov.
3. So Hillary can then run against an even older McCain in 2012.
4. ARE YOU GOING TO STEP IN HERE AND END THIS SO THAT YOU CAN WIN IN 2008.
5. OMG can Democrats for just once grow some and make a GD!! Decision.
The straw was Hillary saying McCain has more experience then Obama. (HELLO) END IT TOMORROW!
A little deja vu ....
As I am walking down an icy street, I slip and break my arm. John Edwards picks me up and offers to sue the shopkeeper whose store I've fallen in front of. I respectively decline, however, Mr Edwards is kind enough to drive me to my preferred health care provider.
I step in and the receptionist says ... "The doctor's wife is ready to see you" I tell the receptionist I want to see the doctor, not his wife. The receptionist tells me "It's OK, they have been married 35 years, she has lots of experience ... he tells her about his cases each night.
The analogy ... what experience does Hillary really have over Senator Obama?
Please Barack, surrender to the experience of Hillary Rodham Clinton. Wait your turn, watch how it done. 8yrs from now, if you have some tough decisions behind you and we can scrutinize you, we will see. How many "Undecided" votes did you cast again?
Hillary '08
Both Hillary and Obama look so worn out, while McCain looks like he is having a ball. Where does this man get all his energy at his age? He is just like his 95 year old mother.
Hard to believe that there are poeple out there that actually support Hillary.
Considering that she fully supports NAFTA (despite her recent campaign claims), and has no interest in ending the Iraq war, Ohio is going to look very foolish for believing in her obvious lies.
Hillary cannot win a national election against a republican candidate, Republicans will not cross party lines to support her. However many Republicans, like myself, are willing to cross over to support Obama.
Obama should bow out since this last week it has become quite evident that he talks out of both sides of him mouth
nod nod wink wink
If they included Florida and Michigan, the only way to do it would be to run a caucus sometime in the next couple months. Giving both candidates time to campaign there. It'd be totally unfair to Senator Obama to just hand those states over to Clinton when neither of them got to campaign. Clinton's name is far more recognizable, I think she won those states based on that.
I truly believe that Bill and Hillary Clinton have paid people off to rig the election in Texas, Rhode Island, and Ohio. She had the Gall to say that Barak Obama was crooked while she has White Water, TravelGate, the so call suicide of one of her people and not handing over her TAX RECORDS.
I am truly ashamed of the Clintons and I feel that she is going to slide into the fold with Bush and McCain. It is a very SAD day in the U.S.A. and other countries are truly watching us.
Rochelle
clinton squeeks out win in RI and Ohio.
She threw the kitchen sink.
Her and her supporters called Obama every name
less the one they want to use.
The clintons really proved to me that I am sorry I voted
for them in 1992 and 1996.
And she still can not win.
Florida and Michigan- Clinton was suppose to not campaign
she did anyway.
If the states will do a do-over that is the only way
In all honesty Clinton is seeing she doesn't have as good as a chance to win. Before her and Obama weren't really attacking each other to much. She started to because shes afraid he is going to win. She sould leave the race because of the fact that way Obama would be able to start working on his race against McCain.
Hillary said in the beginning of the primary season BEFORE she was getting beat...it is about delegates.
Well, she is BEHIND on delegates because she lost 11 in a row in LARGE MARGINS! Clinton's LOSING streak was just stopped with her win in Rhode Island, where Obama STILL cut her momentum and they will probably split the delegates which will put her back to square one.
Look, the ONLY way she can win the nomination is if she STEALS the elections or relies on the SUPERDELEG. to STEAL it for her!! Bottom line.
OBAMA 2008!!!
The super delegates role is clearly understood by all. This is fair but it will not simply be a process which allows the party to move forward with ease. Unknown to Senator Clinton, if she is not the Democratic Presidential candidate many registered Democrats and Independent voters will support John McCain in the November election.
We are concerned and focused on the issues, so it's easy for us to cross over and support the GOP. We are not merely concerned about hope.
Perhaps bringing this to an end will give the final Presidential candidates the opportunity to show voters who they really are. This will allow us to understand what they will or can do as opposed to what they say to get the votes.
What a dumb ticker post- way to TRY and break Hillary's big momemtum tonight! Howard Dean was just on earlier on CNN and saying that rules are rules- even regarding superdelegates. So like it or not, they can choose to support whomever they want. Obama can't have it both ways- he can't say that Florida and Missouri don't count (rules are rules) and then say that superdelegates have to vote with their state–no they don't!
How is reporting that Hillary is behind in delegates biased? Typical.
Oh, you know Clinton is going to yell about Florida and Michigan. However, unless the primaries or at least caucases are re-done in those states, the votes cannot automatically go to Clinton. She agreed to the rules upfront; now she has to honor those rules. If Obama can hold onto Texas tonight, the pressure is going to be on her tomorrow and the superdelegates will start moving into Obama's camp. In the general election, Ohio is usually a Republican state. Even if Clinton wins in Ohio tonight, she will not be granted all of the delegates and Obama will take some with him. Clinton cannot overtake Obama's deledgate lead. For the good of the party she should bow out gracefully. But that is not the Clinton way – she will become downright dirty and destroy the party in the process. She has already given the Republicans ammunition to use in their campaign against the Democrats. I shudder to think what else she may have in her barrel.
Fla and Mi will have the last word. It is not over until the fat lady sings.
Tammi. You can start tomorrow and your Obama will still lose against McCain and anyone he chooses for a running mate. Hillary has the best chance of winning, but you people never gave her a chance. Go Hillary or McCain.
The last thing we need complaining about Florida and Michigan not being counted... even if they were, the best she would do is most likely 60-40 and so it would really not make a difference and just cause more headaches than anyone needs. Some times you have to call it what it is.
Well, it's clear who CNN supports. But I believe that Clinton WILL win the nomination AND the White House. If she does not, I will vote McCain. Obama is inexperienced and will destroy the country with his incompetence.
IT'S Time to say goodbye to Billery!!!!!
TO WestCoastMessenger: Yet the Clinton image seems to be forgotten too! How clean do you think the Clintons are?
I hate to break it to the Hillary supporters (not really), but with a 54/45 victory in RI but a 59/39 loss in Vermont....is an 18 to 18 delegate...when you're trailing by 160 pledged delegates. That doesn't get you ANY closer to catching up!
Are ALL Hillary supporters this bad with math???
schneider, quit trying to discourage Clinton voters. Obama doesn't have much needed experience and that counts for more than a college degree!!! We need gender change and I sense a lot of men being afraid of having a woman leader that's why we had to fight so hard to get to vote in the first place.
Superdelegates should vote in the best interests of the party and not according to the popular vote as the latter was determined in part by Independents and Republicans some which have voted to confound the results for Democrats.
Honestly no one considers MI or FL. I realize they aren't officially recognized but they will officially count in the Presidential nomination. Therefore Superdelagates should take this into consideration and vote for who they think can best win against McCain. That is clearly Clinton.
I agree with Denise. the delegate count is still very close. There is not a McCain front runner in the Dem party. It sounds like Bill Schneider may be Obama's campaign manager but there are still many of us voting for Hilliary. She's calm, smart and persistent.
Go Hilliary – don't give up the ship!
If they change the rules for this then they should change their decision regarding Michigan and Florida also. It is really not fair many that States don't get to weigh in on the decision at all. Everyones vote should count including Florida and Michigan. Isn't that what being a democracy is about?
yes sen. clinton. the at lady has sung....
IF OBAMA IS NOT THE NOMIENEE. FOR SURE, DEMOCRATE WILL LOSS THE POPULAR VOTE
Obama cannot win the nomination outright either and looking at teh early results, Clinton is having a strong night. The Democrats are going to nominate the person who will be competitive in NY, CA, PA< Ohio, Florida and Texas: Hillary Clinton.
If Obama wins the nomination, I will not vote for him. I don't trust him AT ALL.
lets she the Dems win general election w/o those 2 states.
Donald: You don't change the rules in the middle of the game. Michigan and Florida will not count. What would you be saying if Obama had won both of those states?
How, in any way, shape or form is the Democratic Race "over"? The race is still up in the air and to suggest that either Clinton or Obama should drop out at this point is shameful and disrespectful to the democratic process.
Why do we need supper delicates? This is america and when i vote i wont it to count, i dont wont the goverment telling me who my next president will be. if that happens we are no better thanif we were in a place like cuba or iran come on now dont we have any say anymore? Glenda .
Experience does not equal age and longevity in Washington...
So from now on, anybody who brings up Hillarys experience should actually say what experience they are talking about.. do you even know?
The super-delegates need to grow a set and end this now. If they don't, they'll show everyone how useless they are by allowing our candidates to slaughter each other for the next several weeks. McCain has won which means that conservative republicans can now select the weaker democratic candidate in upcoming elections and they have already identified who that is.
Hello! Half of the Democrats are voting for Hillary and that's why she is still in the race. Why does she have to quit? She is strong and we trust her. What make you all think that if she exits, we will vote for someone who we don't believe in...
I am Canadian!! Given the chance I would have voted for Hilary. The way it looks Obama will win. GO MCCAIN!!!!
Uhm no way hillary should bow out. count florida and michigan and if your gonna lean that direction otherwise shhhhhhhhhh let the system do its job.
Obama's the man, Yes he can! Vote Obama. Clinton, oh no, not again!
"Democrats across all four states overwhelmingly" – please, correct that. There are hell lot of republicans acting like democrats at least in Texas.
What a shame!!
I am a democrat but with the way Clinton is acting i am shocked and appalled. At least Mitt had the good sense to back out gracefully and not hurt his party even though he could have been a formidable opponent for McCain.
the party has to allow the florida and michigan delegations be seated or they will vote the other party. this will give the nomination to hilla and then we can beat mccain.
I'm with Donald – add in Florida and MI delegates – and watch the truth come forth!
If Barack is not so popular with the young voters that by the way because of media hype, HE will not be in this election and that's causing us this agony. HILLARY!
Hillary isn't taking both states. It's over for her. If she continues, it will be the end of the Democratic party.
If Hillary continues campaigning after the pledged delegates (the representatives of the popular vote) have made the winner obvious, she is relying upon the superdelegates. The superdelegates are the old people who have been around or managed to win the right elections or get the right appointments.
The instant the superdelegates have to decide a nominee, the Democratic party has failed. At that point, it will not be democracy that decides their course, but the infamous "smoke-filled rooms." The Democrats will have let their own clique-ish nature overcome the will of the people they claim to represent. It will permanently damage the credibility of the Democrats, and we will go from a bi-partisan system to a Republican system.
Hillary needs to bow out to preserve the integrity of the Democratic party.
And I'm a Republican.
WE WON RHODE ISLAND! GET READY OBAMA...THIS IS OUR NIGHT...THE TIME IS NOW...WE NEED HILLARY! WE NEED HILLARY! WE NEED HILLARY! WE NEED HILLARY! WE NEED HILLARY! WE NEED HILLARY!!
I love you Hillary!!! I am an immigrant (legal, 1998) and have seen you fight against for the real people. Just to let you know, I am a member of American Mensa so dont believe those idiots. I have been calling for you, campaigning for you.
Despite all the negative postings, please stay there. For us, the real people who are suffering from all of this mess. I pray for you everyday.
Why I don't vote Democrat...Florida & Michigan
Barrack Hussein of the Democrats has dictated to his servants that the people in these states have no voice in America.
Thanks to Rhode Island, Ohio, and Texas. The polls show that Hillary will win Texas. Obama is selling his supporter beach front property in North Dakota. Thanks to the media for exposing his dirt.
Hillary, Hillary, Hillary, Hillary, Hillary!
Hillary, please step down now. I know you've been selfish all your life but your time is running out. Obama has already earned his place as the Democratic nominee. You are just dragging it on and dividing our party.
Do you really think someone with the spunk to run for President of the United States is going to "bow out" when the race is this tight? Why would she? When she was ahead did anyone ask Obama to bow out?
Some of these comments are beyond laughable. You may be willing to be led around by the nose and buy into empty rhetoric but some are not. Get a grip.
Hillary Clinton 2008
There is no chance Michigan and Florida will get their votes back - that's what they get for wanting to be the first. Hillary may have more experience but she is not the person meant for the job. And furthermore, do we really want the same two families running the country for what would be (if she were to be elected) 24 years? No thank you. I'll take Obama.
For the sake of the party and a win in November, Clinton needs with withdraw tomorrow. She cannot pull ahead in pledged delegates nor is she the most electable.
Obamacans are such eloquent speakers =/
CNN (Wolf) must be competing with Fox to steal an election. Once again the media has cast a shadow on Senator Clinton. I thought "journalist's" had to be unbiased. Thank you Anderson for an honest effort in keeping your political lobbyist...ooopps reporters "honest" ! ( Hey Gloria, each time you say Obama you drool a little !)
...and wo really is behind this nonsense? The one who wants her to go..
she must stay!
anderson , why somme democrate prefere voting for maccain rather than obama , if obama is the democtratic nominee?
according too paul begela
I agree Frank and that is exactly what Hillary will do. I realize she has no integrity or courage or honor. with all that hactred in her eyes and heart. It was for nothing. Did she actually think America would let her win the democratic nomination?
Drop out. Oh by the way HIllary, I dropped AFT.
Come On Dems. McCain won the GOP nom. We have to unite behind Barack Obama now. Hillary cannot win. Stop devisive civil war. We will lose the WH if dont stop.
REDO THE PRIMARY IN CALIFORNIA!!!!!
The California Democratic Party establishment unfairly agreed to move the California primary up to February. Barack Obama would win California if the primary were held today.
I demand that we redo the California primary.
Here they go again. This out right cheer leading for Obama is ridiculous. Schneider should have learned it's getting old. The press has wielded way to much influence in this election. This thing is going to the convention even if the Roland Martins and Schneiders wish it weren't so.
Hillary Clinton should be ashamed of herself for endorsing Mccain over Obama...I believe she is STILL a republican inside..yep gold water girl...If Obama lose to Mccain in november it would be partially her fault...she is dividing the democratic party because she dont know how to lose gracefully....If it's a two for two tonight–she gets RI and Ohio and he Texas and Vermont then SHE NEEDS TO STEP DOWN because her chances of winning the nom is slim to none and by prolonging this race she is only hurting and divideing our party.
As a Young Educated Latina, my vote goes to Hillary. It is true what I have heard that people have not looked well into Obama's profile. It is not all about words and promises that may or may not be possible. I want someone with experience. Think about if you would let your young teenager run your house. Hillary you have my vote.
Clinton originally supported the Iraq war. This shows lack of knowledge or foresight. We need somebody more intelligent than her.
AND?! neither candidates will have enough delegates to become the nominee, either with landslide wins from here on out.
It's about momentum, and superdelegates. Again.
GO HILLARY!
I will vote for mcain too and so will the african americans. we will never vote for hillary after the way she has demonstrated to us how she really feel about african amerians.
Use the latinos they dont know any better, yet.
I think Obama should drop out why shoud Hillary drop give me one she has 50% of vote
Hillary will disregard the fact that Obama has pulled in the popular vote thusfar - and will ask superdelegates to disregard the voice of the Democratic party.
That's just plain dirty politics - and if this is who you want as your nominee - you better prepare yourself for the McCain presidency.
Obama, please do us a favour and BOW OUT GRACEFULLY while you still can...YOU ARE ONLY HURTING THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY...you see, most of us DEMOCRATS would rather vote for HILLARY CLINTON...but thanks to you coming in here and BRAINWASHING the minds of young, dumb voters (This happens to be my first election I'm eligible to vote in...and my vote will go to Clinton) and Independents into voting for you. Step down now and let the REAL DEMOCRAT, SENATOR HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON FROM NEW YORK win this DEMOCRATIC primary!
Schneider & CNN – You are hacks, not journalists! Shame on you for trying to spin everything again Sen. Clinton. How do you sleep at night? Morons
Why would Florida or Michigan count when the party rules clearly stated they wouldn't? It would sure be a clever trick of Clinton and the Establishment to disenfranchise Obama voters by tricking him into thinking the party would be honest.
If either state counts, I will vote Republican simply because it will prove the party is just as corrupt as the neocons.
Hillary is going to win. To all those nay sayers and quitters, re-evaluate your own thoughts carefully. Look at the results now. SHE IS DOING VERY WELL. SHE WILL GO ALL THE WAY AND WIN. GO HILLARY. GO ALL THE WAY! THIS IS THE TIME TO HAVE A WOMAN PRESIDENT. AND A GREAT ONE TOO.
What about Florida and Michigan? Give these two states the opportunity to have their delegates count.
BOWING OUT WOULD BE STUPID. as long as theres news on the democratic side, we get the coverage and the excitement, even if it goes all the way to the convention. The notion that a protracted race will hurt the democrats, is in my opinion, overrated.
Why isnt there any talk about Hillary sitting on the board at WalMart......And supported the jobs going to china and knowing that walmart gives no real health care to its employees...but she is for health care.....
Black man for Hillary,
When Obama was down there were more than 20 contests remaining, so he had a legitimate shot at coming back to win the nomination, but at this point if Hilary does not win TX and OH by HUGE margins she has no chance in hell of winning the most pledged delegates. Put all the emotions aside and look at the hard, cold, unadulterated facts!
Obama 2008
p.s.
Hillary's Giuliani like campaign strategy was retarded. Why did she only focus on winning the big states? If she would run the country the way she ran this campaign into the ground, we really, really need Obama.
Peace, love and collard greens in the Whitehouse!
Go Obama
YES put Florida and Michigan back. Hillary fought for them to be back in action and if the future permits, WE WILL WIN! A strong candidate will never exit this election. If you think about it, if Obama is in her shoes I don't think he will give up either. All of you here who want's her down are selfish. Why don't you just wait and see.
Clinton needs to GET OUT now!
In reply to Aaron, this isn't children this is voting for our president. We are talking about moving ahead a week, this isn't about ballot fixing (like republicans were accused of in florida, yet they counted florida for the repubs).
So why should michigan and florida not be counted? Because obama would be losing, hence the fact you are an obama supporter, you don't want your states vote to go against your (bad) candidate.
Um Clinton morons?
Suggesting Obama drop out is like saying a football team that's winning a game 30 to 20 in the 4th quarter should quit the game because both teams have kicked a field goal this quarter. She can't win and she can't even tie the game.
Then again, what the heck am I doing, only women are voting for Hillary now anyway.
Lets see...Gore wins the popular vote but loses on delegates. Hillary loses the popular vote but wins on 'super delegates'. I can't wait for the spin on that if it happens. Sure wish we had a real leader to vote for...
Watching Hillary's speech when she finally gives it up is going to be better than ten Super Bowls. I'm so looking forward to it!
TO ALL THE CLINTON SUPPORTERS:
FACT: IF THERE WERE NO SUCH THING AS SUPERDELEGATES, CLINTON WOULD BE OVER...BUT THE DNC FEELS THAT PARTY BOSSES SHOULD HAVE MORE OF A SAY THAN THE AVERAGE PERSON....AND THAT ONLY FURTHER DRIVES A WEDGE BETWEEN THE PEOPLE AND THE POLITICIANS THAT SUPPOSEDLY REPRESENT THEM....
BUT IF SUPERDELEGATES DO FOLLOW WHO HAS THE POPULAR VOTE OR THE MOST PLEDGED DELEGATES OR BOTH, THEN THEY HAVE DONE THEIR JOB....
I can't believe Obama won't drop out. He is bringing the whole party down. He is unbelievable. WHAT A SELFISH MAN!!!!! TYPICAL MALE!! In the end , Obama will not beat McCain.
Republicans are just full of themselves. Mccain is a big fake. I'm all for Hillary this 2008 election. Obama has little experience i.e to liberal and needs to tread in more nuetral teritory, Clinton is therefore modrate and can sway in either party direction.
The longer this goes on, the greater people are digging in their heels to support their candidate. I don't see how the democratic party will be unified. I'm an Obama supporter, but I'm really disgusted with the behavior of Clinton supporters. You should have saved some of that venom for the Rebublican nominee. If Clinton wins the nomination, I'll have to give McCain a look. I'm sure I'm not the only young Democrat that feels this way.
If John MCain becomes PRESIDENT we will be in another war!!!
IRAN!!!!
Recall his Bomb Bomb Bomb, Bomb Bomb Iran!
I would like to remind the Hillary supporters that Florida and Michigan must hold another primary by pre-set deadlines for the delegates to be seated. She agreed with the rules laid forth when both states violated voting regulations by moving their primaries.
I'm FROM Michigan and I can tell you that Obama supporters chose not to vote "undecided" because the delegates didn't count. You better watch what you ask for in asking the "delegates be seated" - because you hold a legitimate and legal primary in both states and you will see similar results that you have seen in other states. Hillary will NOT blow out Obama in either state...and there is a great possibility that he will beat her. So, again, I just encourage you to watch what you ask for!
what I hear here is in fighting amost the party.....Rep will have a field day with us.
The voters have spoken. Drop out, Hillary. We need to patch up the party. Any Hillary voter that swings to McCain should grow up. Don't vote for someone out of spite for another. Be a better person and vote for the candidate with the same voting record as the one you just voted for. If you do vote for McCain, don't ever complain about the Bush Whitehouse again because you're voting to do the same thing over again (God help us).
And he can not win either
What is waiting for democrats in November if Hillary is the nominee?
I would like to remind you of the prophetic words of a dead man, late Rev. Jerry Falwell: “I certainly hope that Hillary is the candidate. I hope she's the candidate, because nothing will energize my (constituency) like Hillary Clinton. If Lucifer ran, he wouldn't”
If Hillary Rodham Clinton is the Democrats' presidential nominee in 2008, it will motivate republicans to oppose her more than if the devil himself were running.
because Florida And Michigan broke rules, the people of these states do not exist? How fair it is? They should be given another chance at least. this is outrageous.
I am really disgusted by this system now, it is not fair, it is not right the way the elections go. The smarter one -Hillary – is being pushed away with such a force from her opposition,
It is shocking,indeed, to realize there are still people in this country willing to ignore the serious character flaws plaguing Hillary Clinton. First, she is not a woman whose word can be trusted: witness her agreement that Michigan and Florida primary votes would not be counted . . .until she realized she could only pursue her ambitions if she abandoned her word, ignored her previous her comitment, and denied her earlier promises and agreements in order to include Florida and Michigan in her corner.
Second, she cannot admit she ever makes a mistake. And those who do not acknowledge their mistakes are doomed forever to repeat their errors. Witness her disengenuousness and lies about her vote on this foolish war. Witness next her failed universal health care plan from 1994. Hillary refused tthen o approach this enormous probelm is manageable segments , and she refuses now. Hillary has learned nothing from an experience that should have left her humbled and open to some new ideas. Unfortunately, she truly believes her judgment is superior to everyone else's.–go look in a mirror, Hillary. It's time for some serious introspection.
Fl and Mich broke the rules...
Many of Obama's wins & delegates come from states which held caucuses rather than primaries. It's hard to say that he's the democratic choice when his victory comes by such undemocratic methods.
Sources say Obama congratulates McCain and looks forward to running against him in the Fall?
Pardon us Lord Barack but perhaps thee would condescend to be crowned by someone other then CNN and your worshipful disciples before speaking as the Nominee to the GOP leader.
Hillary was the only candidate with the unscrupulous, desperate greed it took to run on the ballot in Michigan and Florida. She ran unopposed, due to the other candidates sense of playing by the rules. Based on this, it should be clearly impossible and unfair to count those votes.
The Democratic party delegates have a clear and pressing obligation to support the peoples nomination. That's what democracy means; the people decide, not representatives. How can a Democrat act like a Republican? Remember this???After 45 years of Democratic party leadership on the hill, people got tired of false promises and gave the majority to the GOP. Now after 8 years of Bush, the Dems have this huge opportunity to prove they are the peoples party. If they give the Nomination to her in spite of the popular vote, the party will be destroyed, mad Dems, Independants and swing Republicans will flood over to support McCain, and we will be continuing backwards another 4 years.
oh plz...stop it...florida and MI knew the rules before they voted-rules are rules, cant go back on that-besides i dont think they care about they votes not counted, they knew the rules but just just wanted to vote anyway, no harm in that....it's seems the only ones who did'nt complain about it were the michigans and floridans--It's OVER bow out gracefully hillary so we can move on to the stragegy of beating the republicans
Go Hillary! Great showing tonight-keep the faith and keep going. Your message is being heard, and Obama is FINALLY coming under scrutiny. I'm not as concerned about the super-delgates as I am about Michigan and Florida being COUNTED! The DNC should be ashamed of itself. Had you counted our votes. this WOULD be over, because Hillary would be far ahead. She won Florida even with him on the ballot, and she won a HUGE victory in Michigan. So count us, already!
And Steve, it doesn't look to me that she's lost. She's WAY ahead in Ohio, and catching up in Texas...sorry, but this ain't over yet, folks! Run Hillary, RUN!
Clinton won the BIG states but CNN didn't think that was news.
Kennedy backs Obama and Clinton wins his state... again CNN didn't think that was newsworthy.
It's far from over; the fat lady ain't gonna sing tonight.............
sooooooo...
why doesn't she drop out again?
oh bc she thinks she can win via superdelegates and split the democratic party in half, that way the democrats are so divided mccain wins on a political year it was GIFT WRAPPED FOR THE DEMOCRATS!!!
sigh...
I am sick and tired of this icon Obama.
We need sober, sane, normal president, steady one, strong one. Not this never ending "oh, I did not mean that or that"
Her being on the board of walmart ages ago has nothing to do with anything. Under her plan employees of walmart WILL get healthcare. Obviously, her experience there has showed her how much they suffer, and she has consequently decided to help them out, along with millions of other americans.
Who believes this blog is uncensored or neutral?
SO MUCH FOR SO CALLED DEMOCRACY IN US.
I don't know what the good folks in Michigan will do but I know a goodly handful of Floridians that will cross over and vote Republican if our delegates aren't seated at the Democratic Convention. If we don't count there, don't count on us in the general election.
And so we will have Obama the Cheerleader and not -so-honest presidential nominee.
Way to go, young America!
My Democratic vote will go to someone other than Obama. I just don't trust him.
Thanks for the censorship – CNN does not post any criticism of the coverage
Why not ask Obama to bow out, Hillary has won most of the BIG Democratic states?
Don't like that? Didn't think you would.
Until we have a clear winner neither should drop out. Grow up, this is an election. We will eventually have a nominee, don't be so impatient.
Didnt Tom Brokaw this morning say that Obama had 50 new superdelegates behind him he was ready to announce? If thats true, it shows that the superdelegates are starting to lean towards the candidate the country wants as a whole.
I'm an Ohioan and voted Democrat for the first time in my life and it wasn't because of Rush Limbaugh. I supported McCain in 2000 and also this year until he accepted the endorsement of pastor Hagee. Hagee is a known anti- catholic and there is no room for him in any party that I belong to. I'd rather vote for Obama or Clinton (which I did) than support someone who accepts this type of endorsement. It flies in the face of the independence that attracted me to Senator McCain in the first place. The religious right does not represent all of us, particularly Catholic Americans.
After the 2000 election, which saw the Democratic candidate win the general election and lose the presidency, dems are in no mood for anything but transparency and straight up democracy. Superdelegates are deluded if they think they have a real choice as to whom they should support. They MUST follow the will of the people of each of their respective states. This nomination will not be won by a landslide for either candidate and so nothing but transparency and majority rule will give the mantle of legitimacy to the winner.
This is absolutely double standards for Obama to judge if superdelegate is important or not.
When superdelegates go to Hillary, CNN and OBAMA doubt this election rule is fair or not; when superdelegates go to Obama, CNN and OBAMA say it will be bad news for Hillary, which means she would have no chance to catch up OBAMA!
How ridiculous of this logics?
Shame on you-CNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Look at now, RI, OH and TX will be Hillary's momentumn!!!
GO Hillary 2008!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
FROM MY POINT OF VIEW THE MEDIA IN GENERAL SHOULD BE ASHAMED ON THEIR COVERAGE OF THIS ELECTION. OF ALL BROADCASTS AND FOLLOW UPS THE MEDIA IN GENERAL HAVE DOWN PLAYED HILLARY'S CAMPAIGN AND BELITTLED HER EVERY MOVE AND SPOKE WORD. ON THE SAME TOKEN HAVE PRAISED OBAMMA IN EVERYTHING HE HAS SAID OR DONE. EACH PERSON HAS A MIND OF THEIR OWN AND IS ENTITLED TO CHOICE OF OPPINION, AS I RESPECT THAT, HOWEVER THE MEDIA AND ITS COVERAGE IS ALMOST SUBLIMINALLY SWAYING THE VOTE IN FAVOR OF OBAMMA. LET THE CANDIDATES RUN THE RACE FOR THEMSELVES AND THE VOICE OF EVERY VOTER WILL BE HEARD!
What about Florida and Michigan?? Its easy said redo FL primary – but its us taxpayer's money going for the rerun drama. Hilary won fairly here in FL and she deserves to be given credit for it. MI is another story cos Obama was not in the ballot. Its makes sense to go by popular votes if all the states had primaries.Most states Obama won are caucuses and that is the opinion of select few , not the majority of the democrats in those states. Won't it be great if democrats changed their confusin ways atleast by 2012 ?????
Either way, I have this gut feeling Mccain is going to walk into the Whitehouse in Novemeber cos Democrats are so messed up .
Lets hope and pray whatever happens ,happens for the best of the country and come Novemeber, we can all go back to living lives hoping we are safe and happy.
If one looks at the time track of comments, why is it Pro-Obama posters pop up seconds after they comment and Pro-Clinton posts are twenty minutes out of cue?
We can beat McCain anyway. Don't give in to his and Limbaugh's fear and gloom strategies, trying to scare the American people. America is always stronger with courage and vision, and both Barack and Hillary offer more courage and vision than McCain.
as a latina pollster, Hillary will never make it to the white house is she is dependent on my vote.
I WILL VOTE REPUBLICAN!
If Hillary is on the ticket, Democratic supporters of Obama will sway to McCain, and the Dems lose the election. There is no way Hillary can defeat McCain, because Dems who don't support her, don't trust her.
According to the latest results, Hillary is winning Ohio and by a good lead. I am so sick and tired of "the best political team on television" trying to throw this race to Obama. Between the unfair and unbalanced news on Fox and the liberal side of CNN that wants Obama to win the nomination, there is no truly fair or balanced reporting anywhere on television.
I miss the days when CNN provided the news without bias and lived up to their reputation.
I think we are seeing the end of CNN as being a credible news source. This Shneider piece (manufactured news) is so thinly veiled it will be studied in history books 20 years from now on when journalism died.
The backlash to the media is occurring and they are sweating bullets
Donald, you should work for the media. Add in Michigan (where he wasn't on the ballot) and Florida (both agreed not to campaign) and it is still an even race. Good try.
Could happen if the wheels keep falling off the Obama train.
Senator Obama has not won the parties votes. Delgates or no delegates. He can't unite the party. He won't unite the country. This needs to go to the end. We have never had such interest in a campaign. This will get out the voters and help the Dems. Obama needs a new pillow. The one he has is worn out.
I think that the Super Delegates ought to feel obligated to vote in a way that is consistent with the popular vote. Even if that means voting for the candidate who may NOT beat Mcain. I am an Obama supporter and I think that he has the better chance of beating Mccain in the general election, but I think that the popular vote should not be overturned by the super delegates. Either way, the super delegate should represent the people...At large delegates, could possibly balance things out by voting for the candidate who they feel is best, but if both at large and super delegates voted based on their opinion on who can win the general election, than that is not fair to the people.
The voters don't know that Obama is cheating. In many of his states (the primaries Obama has won where they allow cross-over voting or caucuses) about 40% of Obama's voters are treacherous crazed 'anti-hillary' republicans who will mostly vote for McCain in November.
The super delegates will remember that both Florida and Michigan will have Hillary Clinton on their ballots unless their delegations are seated and counted in Denver. Obama cannot win unless Florida and Michigan are seated, because he will not be allowed on their ballots. Hillary is ahead if cheating is not allowed. Not rule cheating, voter cheating. Hillary won both Florida and Michigan by landslide margins.
it's all the media fault... trying to shove Obama down our throats... only the young and stupid would believe in the media.
SENATOR HILLARY CLINTON PROJECTED WINNER OF RHODE ISLAND! .........GO HILLARY!!! HILLARY 08!!!
The superdelegates will want to see the person nominated that will have the best chance to beat John McCain in Nov. All you Dem's' out there should understand this. Hillary Clinton is the one to do this. Neither Obama nor Clinton can will have the 2025 needed when this is over. Superdelegates will vote for the person that can WIN..
Hillary= experience=The Next Democratic President of The United States of America!!!!!
In MI and FL , the DNC rules should prevail, even though consequently my vote as a Michigan resident will not count. It is the only just way. But next time around EVERY vote should be counted irrelevent of whether or not the states choose to hold their primarys early. FLORIDA AND MICHIGAN SHOULD NOT BE SEATED...PERIOD!!
GO McCain!
The Million Dollar March
The Million Dollar March Review
We Just been through 16-years of LIES! It's time to wake up and vote for an honest President!!!
Go President Barack Obama!!!!!!
Denise is right – it is not over yet !!!!Hillary is showing the kind of focus and persistence she will demonstrate in getting healthcare untangled , stopping this war and working on both sides of the aisle. Barach come back in 8 years..
Obama hasn't unleashed ANY of his bag of tricks on Hillary. Now that she has proven to be the instigator of division, look for Obama to attack much more proficiently and intensely.
I'm from Mich and HIGHLY disappointed in what my states Supreme Court did and what position they left us in. If, by some slim chance, the delegates count – how would it be showing the democratic process?? Obama wasnt even on the ballot! We had a campaign to make sure those who didnt want hilary to vote uncommitted – and that was was 40% of the vote. She only got 55%...and that's against an uncommitted. Imagine if she had gone against a true candidate who really could speak to the people of Michigan who want change!
I'd rather vote republican than for another clinton....hands down.
i am a registered democrat and its simple for me, if Obama wins, i vote McCain for he has the experience and the wisdom to carry us forward.
Obama is a smooth talker and I dont trust him (maybe the Canadians do)
thank you all for the open dialog on florida and michigan.
to those of you who made intelllegentcomments on either side....you showed the kind of debate we should have.
to you with less than intellegent comments......sry for you'
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Hillary will stop at nothing to win, including destroying the party. What a selfish, hateful person she is.
While everyone is debating here – anyone listening to McCain's acceptance speech? He is already laying out his campaign strategy while we Democrats are still in-fighting. The simple matter is – if you have the brains to do the math – Clinton has no chance of catching up to Obama in the delegate count. The superdelegates will move to Obama. Hilliarites – give it up already.
PS even stating that I want Hillary... just to make things fair on the counting FL and MI fine do a re vote in MI due to Obama not being on the ballot, but how could anyone want a president that didn't even get himself on the ballot... Either way it turns out though I am a Democrate and I will vote Democrate.
"well of course she'll lose texas because the republicans are out in droves voting for obama because they think he's an easy candidate to beat for mccain."
I just got back from the Caucusing with my neighbors in Austin. I knew some of the people in the (small, very small) Hilary line and I know for a fact they're Republican
she who laughs last, may have the last laugh
Mr. Schneider, Hillary Does Not Have Delegate Count Problem.
You do.
CNN tonight must be desperate, if they have allowed such article on the election night. Count delegates already and stop speculating.
SHAME ON YOU, CNN.
Hi,
I am from Sri Lanka watching the CNN coverage. It is hopelessly one sided pushing Obama. I thought this happens on in developing countries.
CNN is campaigning hard for Obama...
If this Democratic party is to suceed, we have to unite behind Barack Obama.
Illinois – The superdelegates should follow the crowd because the crowd is supposed to elect the president – not a few elite politicians. I would love to know how the whole concept of superdelegates was conceived because I'm sure the story make a better metaphor for high school than those calling them to vote with some form of the popular vote would.
Being an independent and having followed the Democratic campaign every step of the way, I believe if Hillary gets the party nomination, most independents including me will probably vote for McCain. Hillary cannot unite the country, Obama and McCain can, [in that order]
I am a Florida voter and according to our governor Charlie Christ he is willing to hold another primary so that Florida's delagates count and if it turns out like the first primary Hillary Clinton will be able to make up alot of the delegates needed to catch up to Obama.
As an Independent, I'm very heartened that finally young people are interested and energized by these political races. However, if the Superdelegates overturn the popular vote I'm sure that this will turn off yet another generation of young people, as this will look like more of the same old s__t.
It's time again for a younger President with ideas and the ability to unite people...Obama is able to connect with the people of our country. Call it rhetoric if you will – I call it a rare ability to engage. I respect a lot of what Hillary wants to do, but I feel she is more of a polarizing force. We don't need that right now. We need a President who can unite our country and engage the young voters. Why should all the decisions be left up to the 40+ demographic? It's nice to see young voters getting out and getting interested in politics. The future belongs to our young citizens – why not let the 18-39 demographic have a major hand in who leads our country for the next 4-8 years?
As sit here Listening to McCain ican see Usa going down the toilet !!Some choice an arrogant old fart & an ignorant Inexperience incompetent. Mexico already owns you & you all are to stupid to seeit.
Is it because he's black Kimberly (responding to your post that he and his wife are too sickening to look at)
If they want to change the rules with regards to the superdelegates then they should also do the same with Florida & Michigan.
Howard Dean already gave an interview today saying that the superdelegates should vote independently as that has always been the rule. And he also said that Florida & Michigan are not counted as that would bend the rules already applied before the contest started.
barrack supporters are naive! they think fancy phrases can make a president. let's see what these young people think when they are standing in the unemployment line after barack screw the economy!
for sake of our children, our future, Hillary, do not bow out! We do need you! I will vote only for Hillary. Only for her.
Well.. Hillary very much won RI, OH (regarless court oder to keep open) , and possibly TX
Why Barack's supporters ask Hillary to drop out?....have you think that Both of them still along way to win..
OK, so does that mean the superdelegates should follow the national superdelegate total or the individual state totals? I suspect that there could be a signficant difference here, since a lot more of the superdelegates come from big states (which Clinton has won). If Dems really want to win in Nov. they should be looking at the electoral college, which is allocated by state.
There are other ways to parse this too, since it's quite possible that the pledged delegate count may be different than the total vote count.
"Tough time never last but tough people do"
"Winners don't quit and quiters don't win"
"It's not over until it's over"
Sen. Hillary clinton campaign continue... this is how to be a fighter and a winner in democracy.
Nicolas March 4th, 2008 9:46 pm ET
If Barack is not so popular with the young voters that by the way because of media hype, HE will not be in this election and that's causing us this agony. HILLARY!
Darn those young people!!!!
There is such a thing as honor, and Hillary Clinton has none. I'm not suggesting that she should drop out of this race, I simply urge her to attempt to to win her party's nomination in a more honorable manner (as did Mike Huckabee). By the end of this election she would have sealed her fate as a power-hungry politician whose scorched earth tactics were motivated by a desperate attempt to return to the white house, divided her party, cost a decent man an opportunity to change the way Washington works, and focused the crux of her campaign on portraying Obama in a manner that she KNOWS is misleading. Good luck, because no democracy deserves a self-serving politician like this
Bill: Another example of the most over-hyped commentator on today's American political stage. Could you give us a little in depth analysis to go along with that so called punditry. So, because Obama wins the most states he wins the most super-delegates? Or is it possible that the larger states Clinton has won have more super delegates? No wait, don't bother to give informed analysis; just throw out something with your name on it. Quick!
America brace yourselves for another 8 years of Republican rule – and this time, they'll be overwhelmingly supported than in the Bush era. McCain will have a landslide, but if Clinton is nominated she will have a 'mudslide'. She can't talk 'experience' before McCain, she can't criticize the war she willingly voted for before McCain. She can't talk foreign policy before McCain.
The Democrats are on the brink of a costly MISTAKE. Nominate Clinton and lose in November – period.
one person on here got it right - obama IS a uniter. i consider myself a conservative and am disallusioned big time with mccain. if it is mccain vs obama, i will likely not vote (although i am struggling with maybe...voting for obama). if it is mccain vs hillary, i WILL vote...my vote will be against hillary....
Nonsense. Super Delegates have a lot more experience and knowledge on what it takes to win a general election. The future of the country is at stake. If after everything said and done it looks like there won't be a clear winner, the party has to look at where the wins were and where the wins are needed to beat the Republicans. It is that simple. Look at the big picture folks. Don't get hung up on a name – win the Presidency and then worry about who is who. Enough of the Republicans.
What exactly are you Obama voters so scared of? Why would you even suggest Hillary quit when she sitll has the support of millions. She just won Rhode Island and it looks like Ohio and maybe Texas. To ask her to quit now means you're afraid she just might pull the biggest come back ever. Look at what McCain just did, he came from nowhere and is now the winner. Never, ever count out a Clinton. I like Obama and if he wins I have no problem voting for him over McCain, but I think Hillary just may do what everyone said she could not do.
And don't forget this.. the Governor of Florida said he is willing to pay for another election and if Hillary comes back to town with the big states under her belt, she will most likely win there again and then who has the most deligates.
GO OBAMA!!!!!!
Its unbelievable!!!
What is up with the media bias.
They are so pro Obama its scary!!!!
Yes, you too CNN!!!!!!
It's insulting.
She is killing the party! I like what analysts are saying that she is doing the dirty work for the republicans and all McPain is doing is sitting back and laughing!
Everyone remember.... she has been going negative for weeks now! Shes grasping to see what negative attack sticks.
I would bet that the nomination is going to Obama on the Democratic side. Anytime that the media goes to great lengths to explain that an event is interesting or exciting, then look again. Its cut and dry, Obama has the numbers, Hillary doesn't. Please step aside, "Hildog."
For what it's worth, I apologize to those Americans that truly want a positive change for America.
I did my best to educate people in my State about Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton, but to no avail. See, Ohioans for the most part fall right into the Clinton demographic.
However, although Ohio decided that they couldn't care less about the rest of the country, doesn't mean that Obama doesn't have this locked up. He does. Will Clinton drop out? Nope, she sure won't.
Watching from Canada ,on C.N.N .
I'm not voting in your country ,but surely hope Obama, will be your next president .
WHAT DELEGATE PROBLEM? Remember, the media and the pollsters agree, it's what the people want...........right?
First of all, for all of you non-readers, the article says that the primary winner should be the nominee. Meaning, whoever ends up with the most pledged delegates. All of your wishing and stupid remarks about Barack Obama does not change that fact. The Hillary supporters are almost as mean as she is. Get over yourselves. Yes, there is a black man running for President and yes, he is a credible and viable candidate. Can you handle the truth? I didn't think so.
I now see exactly why the Democrats can't win for trying. I didn't see a snowball chance for a Republican to get back to the White House. I sure wasn't going to vote for one.
But when it comes to Obama againist McCain, I'll be voting on McCain. Being in the military not a snowball chance in heck would I vote for Obama. The man says he's like JFK, would that mean I'd have to watch him make the same mistakes, with the Bay of Pigs, or Vietnam. LBJ just got straddled with what Kennedy started.
If anyone else had of made the nomination, I'd have voted Democrat. What a waste.
Hilary is out to win at all costs and it's plain to see by the dirty politics she's playing. It's nothing new. She still insists she did the right thing by voting for the war even tho there were plenty of us "dumb" citizens out here who knew by then that it was the wrong thing to do!!
She will say anything to get elected, and now she is destroying the democratic party. I will have a VERY hard time voting for her if she gets the nomination.... and I USED to like her!! I'm a 52 year old woman, and I feel she's sold us out.
Michigan and Florida should count ONLY if there is NEW race in those states.... Is it fair to count delegates when a candidate who DID play by the rules didn't invest the time there that she did? I do not trust Hilary...I'd rather have McCain answer that phone at night than her!! (But I'm still hoping for a chance to vote for Obama)
Clinton will Rap this up. Clinton will get Florida delegates soon enough.
Wow, This is a victory for Clinton where she is at now, screw this article. Your not going to difuse this flame.
if the people from michigan and florida dont get counted , they will not vote for the democract in november especially for obama because they will remenber that he said florida those not count and the republican party will remind it to then ..... so that have to be careful how they want to take this , think people think..
If Sen. Hillary did`t win in the big margin in Texas and Ohio, that is a good indication that she should drop out for the sake of Democratic party.
Can your candidate punch as much as they can take a punch and still keep fighting?
No retreat, no surrender when you face the GOP
Shocker.
A Clinton putting their own political interests ahead of those of the party.
The wheels are not going to fall off the Obama Train.
I am a 45 year old white woman. Trust me when I say I would have loved to have voted for Hillary.
However, I will not vote for a candidate based only on the subject of gender.
Hillary has disgusted me with her negative campainging. Had I been an undecided voter, that alone would have pushed me over the edge to voting for Obama. But I looked at the facts with more of a critical eye. I went to Obama's website. I read about his ideas, and, yes, his rhetoric, and then made my decision: at the age of 45, I'm too young to be a cynic.
My vote goes to the overwhelmingly new challenge to 'politics as usual. My vote goes to Obama.'
Don't count Hillary out at all. If Obama had to endure the beating that the media has given Hillary, he would have folded his tent and cried wee wee wee all the way home. She is a strong woman, you know, the kind that macho men are scared to death of. When men (I use that term lightly) like Tim Russert uses on his show a poll that gave an opinion on "rhymes with rich" (check Sunday's Meet the Press) for Hillary's qualities, you know why the media is skewed toward Obama. These opinion show host must be held accountable for sexist discrimination.
We must have someone that is going to stop our jobs leaving the USA. How are we going to continue if other states get the jobs?
JR
I'm sorry, but for me Barack Obama is the only decent person left in the Presidential race. If Hillary wins, I simply will not vote. She is tearing the Democratic party apart by staying in this race and helping her buddy McCain win. It makes me feel disgusted.
HILLARY IS SO SELFISH!!!
It matters not. The only thing John McCain can win for Presidency is for AARP. I feel sorry for any Republican who tries to follow the absolute disaster that have been the Bush years.
If the superdelegate process is going to be questioned then the caucus process needs to be questioned. Both give a few powerful voices the right to make decisions for the many. Caucuses are a relic of the past and should be done away with. One person, one vote is only way to try to be fair.
"Would it not be cost effective if Senator Obama simply moved his campaign HQ over to CNN?"
CNN is shamelessly pushing Obama and leaving behind their hard earned credibility. This is a disgrace!
Cnn, what about she stopped obama's lead. Hillary is coming through. What a winner, get real people!
Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton
This is what America calls change?
Some democracy.
Hillary should go all the way. Neither of them will have 2025 regardless, she has come back well and should not quit now. It is interesting how Bo suporters want her to just throw in the towel. You guys have lost your marbles.
Hillary should bow out gracefully, but she will not. The Clinton's have never done anything gracefully. She is destroying the Democratic party by staying in.
How dare anyone tell Hillary what to do. Had I contributed money and worked on her campaign I would be angry if she threw in the towel before rthen end when it is so close. We shouldn't obsess over the super delegates. The rules are the rules we should let the battle run its course and let us all hope for who we want to win.
i'm a graduate student living in Asia but i've been closely following the primaries there in the states and here's something that i (and my colleagues) have noticed:
when there's something good happening in clinton's campaign, CNN quickly has something "negative" to say about it. when somethign good about obama comes out, it's always on the front page.
and for crying out loud, look at your cnn.com/politics page right now: the news headline about obama winning vermont has been there all the time while Clinton winning Rhode Island is nowhere to be found.
if you think about it, neither obama nor hillary would clinch the magic number with only the pledged delegates.. and that's nothing new, right? so why do you guys have to pound hillary so bad on this issue?
just a little FAIRNESS please.
Obama supporters please read your posts and tell me your proud of your writings. Vile to the core and this is supposed to be a "party of unity"? Since Obama is in the lead your entire position has changed. Suddenly the popular vote isn't so important to you as you believe Florida and Michigan made their beds. How would you like to be the average voter in those states who had no say and whos vote now will not count? Since you started you argued that all the people should be heard, yet you now want 50% silenced Two months ago you screamed over the unfair dispursment of superdelagates. Which superdelagates are you now willing to release based on your new found position....Kerry, Kennedy......?
Hi
My question to this group...Why the DNC chose to leave to states out of the primary. What message are they sending to Americans...some of you voters mean something to us and well some of you dont.
Hillary should follow Huckabee's sentiment..until the numbers say you are the nominee- then I am in the fight....
Go America...keep your voices strong in memory of those Americans preceding us that fought and died for this great nation.
To be fair to CNN, they do a decent job with general news, but for some reason all the networks are behaving like teenage girls around the Beatles when it comes to Barack, Still even if Hillary is not the nominee, P.S. Burton's children and grand children win no matter which democrat becomes the next President.
disappointed, something in your comment makes me think they should be sending lawyers to your precint to check for voter fraud. no matter their age (as long as they're 18 or older, of course), no matter whether they've voted before or not, their vote counts just as much as yours does- just because they don't share your opinion doesn't make them any less valuable. i do want to share my sympathy with you, however, that your candidate wasn't able to inspire young voters enough for them to come out to the polls.
Hillary cannot catch Barack now. She needs to drop out. But she won't. Hillary is the Democrats worst nightmare and the Republicans best friend. It will be interesting to see how many superdelegates switch Wednesday.
Steve and Aaron, the second and third names on this comment list, show they do not have a brain and do not have a knowledge of the election. People who have voted for Obama do not have a brain. They only voted for a "Sexy Man" as they chanted, but not a president of the United States. Barack Hussein Obama should quit. He should not be in the race from the very first begining. Even El Gore and John Carry did not join the race because Hillary was in, Obama's joining was totally stupit.
I was expecting to see Clinton going to leave foot prints on Obama's back at the rate she moving throuh the Obama Hype. Where is that headline.
Where is the Article that Floridian go to court to make their vote count just when you thought it wouldn't.
And most people think we should get rid of the electoral college too...
The purpose of the superdelegate is not to parrot the vote of their constituents. If it was – why have them at all? I don't necessarily agree with this system, but the fact is less a million votes separate these two candidates throughout all of the primaries. Few reporters actually point this out. If either one of these candidates is forced out, many voters will feel disenfranchised. The party leaders need to figure out how to handle this diplomatically.
It was Obama who wanted to bomb Iran
Not sure about MI but it was FL government that changed the law (state law) and moved the primary date. It was very foolish in my opinion for Democrats not to count at least some of the votes like Republicans did. The whole mess about votes and leaving very important state's voters out would have been avoided.
Hillary still has the option to sue for Michigan and Florida. And she can rightfully say the other candidates had the opportunity to stay on the ballot just like she did. Now that makes it a whole different delegate count my friends.
What say you now Mr. Schneider?
If Sen. Clinton stays in the race and the super delegates go against the will of the pledged delegates I will never vote for a Democrat again.
I just returned from my caucus in Nederland, TX – it was overwhelmingly Clinton.
We voted 90 for Clinton, 16 for Obama. Four years ago, 8 people showed up for the caucus!
What about the popular vote? The way some of these delegates have been awarded seems patently unfair. One candidate wins the popular vote and the other garners more delegates! That is not democratic. The Superdelegates should be awarded in line with the popular vote!
She was the only person on the ballot in MI retards and I didn't think Obama set foot on FL soil, so of course she won those votes...duh. Many FL residents didn't vote b/c they knew the votes would not count. My mom and father are Obama supporters and they live in Ft. Lauderdale, but they stayed home on primary night.
Florida and Michigan!
2 million democratic voters. How about they get to decide.
To Hillary Clinton
You will never be the president of the United States. For your hatred, the African American will see to it that you never ever mind the white house. The closet you get will be in the senate and guess what this is your last run.
As a consultant to Fortune 500 clients, I have learned not to ask a question if I do not want to hear the answer.
If you had the slightest interest in playing it fair, this question should not even have been asked since most voters would give the expected answer (as they want their vote to prevail). If the Super delegates HAVE to reflect the view of the popular vote, then there is no need to have superdelegates.
If we want to play fair (as in eliminate the possibility of superdelegates not reflecting the popular vote), let's change the rules of the game (by getting rid of the superdelegates) BUT for the NEXT game (meaning 4 years from now) and NOT at half time.
If Obama gets the nomination, I am voting for John McCain. Plain and simple.
Believe it or not, those of us who are supporting Hillary Clinton may not faint at rallies or even attend them, but we are no less staunch in our support of her. We support her because we believe she will make a great president. We are not about to give our votes to a person who has spent his entire 3 year Senate career running for the presidency.
What's wrong with you people? Ever hear of Jim Jones and his followers who drank the Kool-Aid? Give me a break.
The media is largely responsible for the possibility of our putting a guy in the White House with little or no experience. And don't even bring up Abraham Lincoln. Those were very different times and certainly the population is a fraction of what it is today – and the problems were internal.
To me – what's been happening is disgraceful. It smacks of the public lack of knowledge of how Congress works and instead points to the culture's fascination with celebrity culture and all that is new. Never mind logic or how dumb this whole thing has been.
Hillary, please exit while it is still honorable! You keep making it to hard for democratic party and acutally hurting Bill's legacy. Please quit!
If Obama wins tonight, then our next president in November would be McCain. There is no chance for Obama to win against him. He has no expirience for that kind of job. Besides, a lot of Clinton voters will vote for McCain in that case. he will loose.
This is stupid. These people don't even know what superdelegates are for! Superdelegates were instated in the first place so that someone who was popular in the primaries but ultimately unelectable in the general didn't win the nomination, to protect the party's best interests. If superdelegates should vote how the people vote... why do they exist at all?
I'm a Clinton supporter, but if Obama was trailing, I would say the exact same thing. Superdelegates are there to exert their judgement on the candidates just as we do.
janet glazier, this showdown between clinton and obama will not help the party, especially if the current trend continues and she has less of a chance of getting the required number of delegates- it will only fracture the democratic party and make it more vulnerable to mccain in nov. please, please, know what you're talking about. it's been all over the news that if clinton continues as long as she says she's going to, it'll only hurt the party, not help it.
Why shouldn't super delegates consider Florida and Mcihigan in their choice? Its not like Obama can wave a magic wand and make Florida and Michigan disappear.
Isn't this sort of thing exactly what these delegates were designed for?
Why do people keep forgetting about Michigan and Florida????/
So because they moved their primaries up early , the voters there shouldn't count.
So their votes shouldn't count in the National Election either?
SLAX YOU MUST BE CRAZY , ANYONE WHO DOESNT SEE HILLARY IS THE EASIER CHOICE FOR THE REPS ARE SILLY.
IF HILLARY WANTS TO WIN, OBAMA WOULD HAVE TO BE HER VP, OTHERWISE SHE WILL LOSE BADLY
I will vote for McCain if Obama gets the nomination. It is selfish enough of his supporters to ask Hillary to back off. In the start of the election campaign, Hillary was the first choice after those media and actors including singers poisoned the young voters who do not care!
" I think what we as americans should think about if MRS. Clinton couldn,t take care of her own house what make us think she could take care of the WHITE HOUSE!!!!!
Let Obama wins the Democratic race, so he'll challenge John McCain. If this happens, my wish is for Al Gore to enter the race as an Independent candidate. Am sure Americans need one alternative candidate, and who else is more appropriate than Al Gore?
If the super delegates must vote the way their states voted then what is the point of super delegates anyway???? Might as well just do away with the super delegates!
For all of the Hillary supporters who keep saying she's won all the big states, big deal. Those states are democratic states. Obama will win them handily for sure. His margins and the turnout in the predominantly white, Republican states are much more impressive.
The bottom line is that we are screwed as a party if this goes on any further. Hillary can only win by going negative and all it does is fracture our unity even more. And the fact that she is so smug and happy about going negative and whiny about the press makes her a terribly unattractive candidate for President, even if Obama wasn't her opponent.
Say no to dynastic politics people!!
Why doesn't CNN just say they want Obama to win...?
Put some credablilty back in the news...
If Hillary wins this, I vote Mccain. I'm gonna take her advice and go with the most experienced.
One democrat vote lost for Hillary.
Mccain 08
How dare anyone tell Hillary what to do. Had I contributed money and worked on her campaign I would be angry if she threw in the towel before rthen end when it is so close. We shouldn't obsess over the super delegates. The rules are the rules we should let the battle run its course and let us all hope for who we want to win.
It seems like Obama supporters think she should be a polite little girl and step down. How old fashioned sexist. If she has the steam she should fight for those of us who want her in. She is not a distant second. The media should not encourage an early quit because it has anxiety about nothing else to talk about.
If the primary used to begin so much later in the year we are way ahead in terms of time to plan strategy against McCain and
Kimberly, you are obviously Hillary's ah. The reason they had to keep those polling stations open later is because they ran out of ballots so they had to ask a judge to give the order to have stations stay open.
You should get your facts straight b4 submitting your stupid ignorant comments on any blog.
THE POLLS ARE ALL OVER THE PLACES - THEY'RE INCONSISTENT. TAKE A FEW MORE AND YOU'LL SEE DIFFERENT RESULTS.
Could someone explain if Texas voters can vote in both the primary and the Caucus? Please do it on the air. How can they prevent people voting in both?
could it be that Sen. Clinton does not want to release their joint tax return because questions would have to be answered about the income from China speeches. Close tie in to NAFTA?
I agree with the other posters who have commented on the CNN bias towards Obama. This article is a good example. It is a sad state of affairs–I trust what I read here as little as I trust what I hear on Fox news.
"Yes we can take sides."
Super delegates are free to vote how they want. Those are the rules in this primary. If people don't like that, they should change the rules before the next election starts.
I SURE WISH SOMEONE LIKE YOU IN THE CLINTONS CAMPAIGN WOULD EXPLAIN THIS TO HILLARY!! SHE IS IMATURE AND UNREASONABLE. SHE REALLY IS THE PERFECT PRINCESS. SHE IS THE ONE LIVING IN A FAIRY TALE!!
Are you sure Senator Hillary Clinton will be answering that phone in the White House at 3:00am or will it be liar, cheating Bill? If Hillary wins the nomination I refuse to vote in the November General Election, I'll stay home and that will be a first for me in 35 years.
so when shillary tries to steal florida and michigan votes, will it be called "deleGATE" or "DelegateGATE"?
Why should Hilary drop out because that bozo Huckabee stayed in much longer than he should have? The Republican race was never close. The Democratic race is still so close either one could still take it. Wouldn't it be great for a change if the people in the last few states could make a real difference rather than be superfluous. More people could be interested in actually voting this year.
Do over in Florida and Michigan so we can end the bickering. This is the only fair way to declare a winner. This time both dems will be allowed to campaign.
ANYTHING BUT MCCAIN. (100 YEAR WAR)
The delegates in Florida and Mich should not be seated. Those state legislatures agreed to hold the primaries early and those are the people who should be held accountable when they campaign for re-election. Both states would have had a much bigger role in nominating the next Dem for President had they just held their primaries when scheduled. I also resent some of the Hillary supporters who laugh us off as groupies and concert goers. I did my homework and decided for myself that Obama is by far the better candidate. Should Hillary win the nomination, don't forget that Hillary will need our votes to beat McCain in Nov. I would never suggest that Hillary or Obama just pull out for the good of the party, but this mudslinging by Hillary must stop or she will lose Obama supporters in the end. Remember, the GOP aren't just going to roll over and hand Hillary the keys to the WH cause she's been vetted already.
Well, if we're really going to go democratic, it should be the candidate with the most votes rather than delegates, but the Obamistas won't buy into that one, at least not until he's ahead there. Let the games continue, who knows what other terrorists and Rezko's have yet to shake out of the trees.
Rubbish , utter nonsense. How can you claim to be deomocratic by saying Mi and Fla should be seated? They did not campaign there , she broke the rules and so did the two states. The day that happens we will leave the party in droves. Come on now. This is America not Uganda under General Amin. Democracy and respect for the rule of law. Its like saying no one will run the 100meter race in this olympics.Then i go and run it anyway and demand i be given my gold medal. What nonsense is this. It only makes sense to do a run there with all runners doesnt it????????
WHY ARE CLINTONIANS AFRAID OF A RUN IN MI AND FLA?
Obama offers the best hope for this nation and we will all vote for him in the Dakotas. Its over for Hillary go home. We will not be run by the Council on Foreign relations and other demonic organizations.This time America will free itself because God is greater than Lucifer- the god Clintons worship and serve.
This is government at it's best in many years. If Hillary stays and keeps running it shows how free we are to achieve in our system. If she wins by super delegates fair game. It is part of the rules. If Obama can't toughen up and accept that and strategize to win anyway, then he isn't made to be president. This is survival of the fittest.
Why all the evil talk that she is single-handedly bringing down the party and planning on stealing the election with super-delegates? Get it together people. By the way, Obama can't get the number of delegates needed either unless she drops out! Could that be why people are putting the pressure on her which, in my mind, is undemocratic and dispicable?
The ugly truth of the matter is that they both need to stay in, AND the DNC is going to have to figure out what to do about MI and FL - we can't just ignore two huge states. I know that's what Clinton supporters say and Obama's say otherwise, but let's get real and realize that those votes need to be counted. Somehow.
To all Clinton supporters, we can not ignore anymore the bias support of the media and unfair treatment of the other supporters to us. Hillary will win the nomination.
TX, OH, RI for Clinton
the Texas primary is sooo close GO HILLARY !!!
a few more votes and you will be in the lead in Texas =)
Will of the PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm tired of Hillary people arguing 'substance over style' – ironically that's the only thing I've heard from Hillary. It's ironic, because there is NOTHING SUBSTANTIVE ABOUT THAT ARGUMENT!
Obama's website is the best of the three at giving real information on the issues. I suggest you go there and look. Click on issues, 20 or so issues pop up. Click on one. Viola! Substance.
McCain's site is harder to use, but his issues are pretty clear and have been for some time.
Clinton has yet to really say anything other than attacking Obama. Hell, anyone can do that. Her website is harder to navigate and more vague on the issues.
If you're going to argue that your opponent has no substance, you need to – in the same breath – give examples of your candidate's substance.
Saying something over and over again until it becomes true is the Karl Rove-George Bush way of doing things.
I pray we have McCain Obama so that real issues can be discussed. I'm tired of Rovian politics, whether done by Bush or Clinton.
People are realizing that experience is more important than gambling and nice talk....."blue states, red states, the United States...bla bla bla ! And let's not forget Florida's votes.....people's will is more important than committee's rules.... Hillary will eventually win. Clinton II will be better than Clinton I because Bill will be on her side + the experience that both have gained since then. America will win!
Sim,
Barack Obama needs to be ashame of himself, he is pulling the Okey Doak of your eyes and all else who voted for him. He just called John McCain and congradulated him. Wake up, check out your canidate plan for ending the war, listen to what he says. The result will be that he will weaken our military, and do a lot of things to make the U.S. more vernable.
FLORIDA AND MICHIGAN SHOULD BE COUNTED!
obama is not ahead fairly!
and he's an empty promise to America!!!!
Even though I'm not a Hillary supporter, I agree that the country can handle another few months of primaries. As much as I support Obama, he needs to prove he can finish off Hillary before he will truly "deserve" the nomination.
I'm amazed at how many people think the Democratic Party will fall apart if they don't have their nominee before June. Just a few elections ago, the primaries wouldn't have even STARTED yet by now, and we seemed to survive just fine.
The coverage now (9:23 central) is very biased re Obama, as a 48 Clinton 52 obama is interpreted as "they are all voting for Obama" and "Clinton is losing" Within the next 2 minutes a vote (I think it was women, not sure) it is said that in a 66% Clinton, 32 Obama split , it is said "Obama is getting 32% of the vote". I would think that a 48-52 would be interpreted as a tie, and since it is a suprise that Clinton is getting this many, I would think that would be "a lot of people are voting for Clinton". Re the big bad news heading of this column, it is not so!–neither Obama nor Clinton can win without superdelegates. So I would think that maybe they would vote as the popular vote goes, which Clinton clearly still has a chance at!! plus she will have momentum if she indeed gets this majority.
Superdelegates are set aside for a specific reason. Pledged deligates are oncs chosen by popular vote and cacus process and not the superdegegates. Rules cannot be changed by the whims of candidates or their campaigns for their advantage. Obama campaign is lawless.
The ONLY way Florida and Michigan should be considered is if each state holds another primary, with BOTH names on the ballot in Michigan and with the understanding that the vote COUNTS.
Obama should move his HQ to CNN. How they forget to report that she won Michigan and Florida. Even without Michigan, she would be even or ahead with Florida. Why does CNN want her to bow out? Is that the only way Obama can get the votes? Why cant he take it to the end and prove he deserves the nomination. He even had the nerve to call McCain and tell him he looks forward to running against him. Don't count your chickens before they hatch.
Headlines "Clinton's Experience Matters with Voter Concerns about the Economy. The voters realize experience does really matter"
America shows intelligence by sifting through speeches to see no actual substance. You can hear the sigh of America as the close call of the a great speaker, of which his only experience is the skills he's learned in Toastmasters, is not going beat Hilary afteral, as Voters in Florida and Michigan take their votes to Supreme Court to make their vote count.
I have to agree with Michiel... superdelegates should vote with the popular vote. I don't understand how one canidate can win a state but the losing canidate get more delagets... I don't like that. It should represent our votes not what they think.
We can split along gender, we can split along race. Lets have some reporting that gets to the heart of this. This has turned out to be a race not for skill, experience and next best Democratic hopeful. Nope, can't say I saw much of that. More like a media circus that has created a whirlwind of confusion for those who couldn't cite either candidates positions. The media tore down Hillary, elevated Obama and did the American people wrong. How about records and accompishments...nope race/gender has come to roost. Sad day.
Bet you Hal's comment gets trashed since he mentioned Baracks middle name....You know my son mentioned they had an election at school and he thought he looked like Curious George !!
Time for Mrs. Clinton to Quit. Time to put the party together behind Mr. Obama. Mrs. Clinton is still paying for White Water – no one wants another 8 years of watching the Republican Special Council go after her for what Susan MacD took the fall already. If she really cares what the voters think she would stop saying I I I I I and start saying WE. Mr. Obama has it right. He can beat McCain and she can not. I will vote for Obama or McCain but never Hillary and I am a Dem.
Conservative Christian Democrates are underestimated. Time for HER to QUIT.
WOW !!!
Look at Pickaway County Ohio thoses numbers are skewed. The Clinton Margin of Victory was a gift by the Ohio republican Party who rather face her than John McCain in the fall.
Ditto in Madison, Ross and Highland counties.
It's in the details.
To those of you who think Fla and Mi should be counted what about all the folks from those 2 states who obeyed the rules and did not vote.
Shouldn' t they have a say. I think the only fair thing to do is to have
Clinton and Obama campaign in those states and hold either a primary or a caucus. I think the Governor Crist? in Fla offered to pay for the campaign from public funds.
What about Florida? How can the Democratic party decide the nomination without including Florida.
On another note, CNN continues to state Obama has 80% of the African American vote and Clinton does not have the same percentages for the Latino vote. Just to remind you, Clinton is not a Latina. The Latino voters are not voting for her because of her race. The Obama 89% of voters are voting on RACE and not policy issues.
Reading all these comments makes me sad. Regardless of who you support, there is one self-evident truth: The party is fractured, whoever is to blame, and fractured parties lose elections. How many times do the Republicans have to demonstrate how powerful a unified party can be? How ridiculous are we to be in this state after 8 executive and 14 legislative years of Republican mismanagement??? THIS ISN'T a football game, this is the future of our NATION! These two candidates have kept it relatively clean up until the contests that really counted, and it's to be expected that they try everything near the end. Those of you paying attention for the first time, maybe some of you born and bred during these years of divisive politics may be excused, it's all you've known, unfortunately. But for the rest of you, for shame, because all this back and forth foolishness and immature sloganeering only serves to aliennate us from ourselves, when we should be standing in solidarity against the failed policies of the GOP.
We're in a horrible war with a horrible economy, it's the GOP's fault, and we're yelling at each other. RIDICULOUS! Grow up and heal this rift. OBAMA/CLINTON or CLINTON/OBAMA in 08! (though I doubt Hillary would accept the Veep role, unfortunately)
Yup...Saw it did !...Shows how "Fair" CNN is to offer opinions....NOT !!