March 4th, 2008
10:03 PM ET
5 years ago

Schneider: Clinton's delegate problem

(CNN) - In what may be bad news for Clinton, Democrats across all four states overwhelmingly say they want super delegates to vote based on which candidate finishes ahead in the pledged delegate count at the end of the primary season.

Majorities of Democrats in Texas (62 percent), Ohio (61 percent), Rhode Island (57 percent) and Vermont (66 percent) all said the super delegates should cast their vote for the primary winner, not for who they think can best win in November.

Why is this bad news for Clinton? As CNN's John King has made clear on his interactive delegate map, it is nearly impossible for Clinton to catch up to Obama's pledged delegate count. She would have to win the rest of the states convincingly to do so, given that the party allots delegates proportionally. Barring large blowouts in the remaining contests, its likely Clinton will finish behind Obama in pledged delegates.

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–CNN Senior Political Analyst Bill Schneider

soundoff (351 Responses)
  1. Will

    Well, if we're really going to go democratic, it should be the candidate with the most votes rather than delegates, but the Obamistas won't buy into that one, at least not until he's ahead there. Let the games continue, who knows what other terrorists and Rezko's have yet to shake out of the trees.

    March 4, 2008 10:26 pm at 10:26 pm |
  2. Obama win

    Rubbish , utter nonsense. How can you claim to be deomocratic by saying Mi and Fla should be seated? They did not campaign there , she broke the rules and so did the two states. The day that happens we will leave the party in droves. Come on now. This is America not Uganda under General Amin. Democracy and respect for the rule of law. Its like saying no one will run the 100meter race in this olympics.Then i go and run it anyway and demand i be given my gold medal. What nonsense is this. It only makes sense to do a run there with all runners doesnt it????????
    WHY ARE CLINTONIANS AFRAID OF A RUN IN MI AND FLA?
    Obama offers the best hope for this nation and we will all vote for him in the Dakotas. Its over for Hillary go home. We will not be run by the Council on Foreign relations and other demonic organizations.This time America will free itself because God is greater than Lucifer- the god Clintons worship and serve.

    March 4, 2008 10:27 pm at 10:27 pm |
  3. Nejdet Ucan

    This is government at it's best in many years. If Hillary stays and keeps running it shows how free we are to achieve in our system. If she wins by super delegates fair game. It is part of the rules. If Obama can't toughen up and accept that and strategize to win anyway, then he isn't made to be president. This is survival of the fittest.

    March 4, 2008 10:27 pm at 10:27 pm |
  4. Isaac

    Why all the evil talk that she is single-handedly bringing down the party and planning on stealing the election with super-delegates? Get it together people. By the way, Obama can't get the number of delegates needed either unless she drops out! Could that be why people are putting the pressure on her which, in my mind, is undemocratic and dispicable?

    The ugly truth of the matter is that they both need to stay in, AND the DNC is going to have to figure out what to do about MI and FL - we can't just ignore two huge states. I know that's what Clinton supporters say and Obama's say otherwise, but let's get real and realize that those votes need to be counted. Somehow.

    March 4, 2008 10:27 pm at 10:27 pm |
  5. Nicolas

    To all Clinton supporters, we can not ignore anymore the bias support of the media and unfair treatment of the other supporters to us. Hillary will win the nomination.

    March 4, 2008 10:28 pm at 10:28 pm |
  6. JL

    TX, OH, RI for Clinton
    the Texas primary is sooo close GO HILLARY !!!
    a few more votes and you will be in the lead in Texas =)

    March 4, 2008 10:28 pm at 10:28 pm |
  7. Bobbi FORMER lifelong liberal democrat

    Will of the PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    March 4, 2008 10:28 pm at 10:28 pm |
  8. Stop with the BS Hillary supporters

    I'm tired of Hillary people arguing 'substance over style' – ironically that's the only thing I've heard from Hillary. It's ironic, because there is NOTHING SUBSTANTIVE ABOUT THAT ARGUMENT!

    Obama's website is the best of the three at giving real information on the issues. I suggest you go there and look. Click on issues, 20 or so issues pop up. Click on one. Viola! Substance.

    McCain's site is harder to use, but his issues are pretty clear and have been for some time.

    Clinton has yet to really say anything other than attacking Obama. Hell, anyone can do that. Her website is harder to navigate and more vague on the issues.

    If you're going to argue that your opponent has no substance, you need to – in the same breath – give examples of your candidate's substance.

    Saying something over and over again until it becomes true is the Karl Rove-George Bush way of doing things.

    I pray we have McCain Obama so that real issues can be discussed. I'm tired of Rovian politics, whether done by Bush or Clinton.

    March 4, 2008 10:28 pm at 10:28 pm |
  9. Tony

    People are realizing that experience is more important than gambling and nice talk....."blue states, red states, the United States...bla bla bla ! And let's not forget Florida's votes.....people's will is more important than committee's rules.... Hillary will eventually win. Clinton II will be better than Clinton I because Bill will be on her side + the experience that both have gained since then. America will win!

    March 4, 2008 10:29 pm at 10:29 pm |
  10. John

    Sim,

    Barack Obama needs to be ashame of himself, he is pulling the Okey Doak of your eyes and all else who voted for him. He just called John McCain and congradulated him. Wake up, check out your canidate plan for ending the war, listen to what he says. The result will be that he will weaken our military, and do a lot of things to make the U.S. more vernable.

    March 4, 2008 10:29 pm at 10:29 pm |
  11. hillary 08:

    FLORIDA AND MICHIGAN SHOULD BE COUNTED!

    obama is not ahead fairly!
    and he's an empty promise to America!!!!

    March 4, 2008 10:29 pm at 10:29 pm |
  12. RobJohnson

    Even though I'm not a Hillary supporter, I agree that the country can handle another few months of primaries. As much as I support Obama, he needs to prove he can finish off Hillary before he will truly "deserve" the nomination.

    I'm amazed at how many people think the Democratic Party will fall apart if they don't have their nominee before June. Just a few elections ago, the primaries wouldn't have even STARTED yet by now, and we seemed to survive just fine.

    March 4, 2008 10:30 pm at 10:30 pm |
  13. betsy

    The coverage now (9:23 central) is very biased re Obama, as a 48 Clinton 52 obama is interpreted as "they are all voting for Obama" and "Clinton is losing" Within the next 2 minutes a vote (I think it was women, not sure) it is said that in a 66% Clinton, 32 Obama split , it is said "Obama is getting 32% of the vote". I would think that a 48-52 would be interpreted as a tie, and since it is a suprise that Clinton is getting this many, I would think that would be "a lot of people are voting for Clinton". Re the big bad news heading of this column, it is not so!–neither Obama nor Clinton can win without superdelegates. So I would think that maybe they would vote as the popular vote goes, which Clinton clearly still has a chance at!! plus she will have momentum if she indeed gets this majority.

    March 4, 2008 10:30 pm at 10:30 pm |
  14. chandp

    Superdelegates are set aside for a specific reason. Pledged deligates are oncs chosen by popular vote and cacus process and not the superdegegates. Rules cannot be changed by the whims of candidates or their campaigns for their advantage. Obama campaign is lawless.

    March 4, 2008 10:30 pm at 10:30 pm |
  15. cc

    The ONLY way Florida and Michigan should be considered is if each state holds another primary, with BOTH names on the ballot in Michigan and with the understanding that the vote COUNTS.

    March 4, 2008 10:31 pm at 10:31 pm |
  16. Sharon

    Obama should move his HQ to CNN. How they forget to report that she won Michigan and Florida. Even without Michigan, she would be even or ahead with Florida. Why does CNN want her to bow out? Is that the only way Obama can get the votes? Why cant he take it to the end and prove he deserves the nomination. He even had the nerve to call McCain and tell him he looks forward to running against him. Don't count your chickens before they hatch.

    March 4, 2008 10:31 pm at 10:31 pm |
  17. Floridian

    Headlines "Clinton's Experience Matters with Voter Concerns about the Economy. The voters realize experience does really matter"

    America shows intelligence by sifting through speeches to see no actual substance. You can hear the sigh of America as the close call of the a great speaker, of which his only experience is the skills he's learned in Toastmasters, is not going beat Hilary afteral, as Voters in Florida and Michigan take their votes to Supreme Court to make their vote count.

    March 4, 2008 10:31 pm at 10:31 pm |
  18. KC

    I have to agree with Michiel... superdelegates should vote with the popular vote. I don't understand how one canidate can win a state but the losing canidate get more delagets... I don't like that. It should represent our votes not what they think.

    March 4, 2008 10:31 pm at 10:31 pm |
  19. Deb R

    We can split along gender, we can split along race. Lets have some reporting that gets to the heart of this. This has turned out to be a race not for skill, experience and next best Democratic hopeful. Nope, can't say I saw much of that. More like a media circus that has created a whirlwind of confusion for those who couldn't cite either candidates positions. The media tore down Hillary, elevated Obama and did the American people wrong. How about records and accompishments...nope race/gender has come to roost. Sad day.

    March 4, 2008 10:31 pm at 10:31 pm |
  20. Joe Johnson

    Bet you Hal's comment gets trashed since he mentioned Baracks middle name....You know my son mentioned they had an election at school and he thought he looked like Curious George !!

    March 4, 2008 10:32 pm at 10:32 pm |
  21. marjorie

    Time for Mrs. Clinton to Quit. Time to put the party together behind Mr. Obama. Mrs. Clinton is still paying for White Water – no one wants another 8 years of watching the Republican Special Council go after her for what Susan MacD took the fall already. If she really cares what the voters think she would stop saying I I I I I and start saying WE. Mr. Obama has it right. He can beat McCain and she can not. I will vote for Obama or McCain but never Hillary and I am a Dem.
    Conservative Christian Democrates are underestimated. Time for HER to QUIT.

    March 4, 2008 10:32 pm at 10:32 pm |
  22. e nottap

    WOW !!!

    Look at Pickaway County Ohio thoses numbers are skewed. The Clinton Margin of Victory was a gift by the Ohio republican Party who rather face her than John McCain in the fall.

    Ditto in Madison, Ross and Highland counties.

    It's in the details.

    March 4, 2008 10:32 pm at 10:32 pm |
  23. Sandra

    To those of you who think Fla and Mi should be counted what about all the folks from those 2 states who obeyed the rules and did not vote.
    Shouldn' t they have a say. I think the only fair thing to do is to have
    Clinton and Obama campaign in those states and hold either a primary or a caucus. I think the Governor Crist? in Fla offered to pay for the campaign from public funds.

    March 4, 2008 10:32 pm at 10:32 pm |
  24. Melanie

    What about Florida? How can the Democratic party decide the nomination without including Florida.

    On another note, CNN continues to state Obama has 80% of the African American vote and Clinton does not have the same percentages for the Latino vote. Just to remind you, Clinton is not a Latina. The Latino voters are not voting for her because of her race. The Obama 89% of voters are voting on RACE and not policy issues.

    March 4, 2008 10:32 pm at 10:32 pm |
  25. Jeff

    Reading all these comments makes me sad. Regardless of who you support, there is one self-evident truth: The party is fractured, whoever is to blame, and fractured parties lose elections. How many times do the Republicans have to demonstrate how powerful a unified party can be? How ridiculous are we to be in this state after 8 executive and 14 legislative years of Republican mismanagement??? THIS ISN'T a football game, this is the future of our NATION! These two candidates have kept it relatively clean up until the contests that really counted, and it's to be expected that they try everything near the end. Those of you paying attention for the first time, maybe some of you born and bred during these years of divisive politics may be excused, it's all you've known, unfortunately. But for the rest of you, for shame, because all this back and forth foolishness and immature sloganeering only serves to aliennate us from ourselves, when we should be standing in solidarity against the failed policies of the GOP.

    We're in a horrible war with a horrible economy, it's the GOP's fault, and we're yelling at each other. RIDICULOUS! Grow up and heal this rift. OBAMA/CLINTON or CLINTON/OBAMA in 08! (though I doubt Hillary would accept the Veep role, unfortunately)

    March 4, 2008 10:33 pm at 10:33 pm |
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