March 6, 2008
Posted: 08:00 PM ET
CNN

Watch Clinton's comments Thursday.

(CNN) Hillary Clinton repeated Thursday that delegates from Florida and Michigan be seated at the Democratic Party’s national convention this summer, and appeared to suggest she is open to the possibility of holding do-over contests in both states.

"I'm going to let the leadership of both states see what they think is the best approach," Clinton told reporters in Washington. "I think that it would be a grave disservice to the voters of Florida and Michigan to adopt any process that would disenfranchise anyone and I'm still committed to seating their delegations and I know that they're working with the Democratic party to determine how best to proceed."

Clinton's latest calls for the delegations to be seated come amid an increasingly heated back-and-forth between officials from both states and the national parties. Both the Republicans and Democrats sanctioned both states earlier this year for holding their primaries ahead of February 5 — the Democrats said Michigan and Florida's entire delegations would not be seated at the convention while the Republicans said only half of each state's delegates could be seated.

The Democrats’ decision on how to proceed with both states' delegates could have critical impact on the presidential nominating race — both Barack Obama and Clinton are locked in close contest for pledged delegates, and neither will be able to attain the needed 2,024 to clinch the nomination.

Obama's campaign has criticized Clinton for seeking to "change the rules" after Florida and Michigan voted, and said it will follow the party's leadership on the issue. Clinton came out on top of both states' meaningless contests in January. Neither candidate campaigned in the states, and Obama was not on the ballot in Michigan.

Clinton's comments come the same day Florida Sen. Bill Nelson, a supporter of the New York senator, formally wrote a letter to Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean, calling on him to pay for a re-vote in his state. (Read Nelson's Letter [PDF])

“With two outstanding candidates battling so closely for their party’s nomination, there’s no way you can tell nearly two million Florida voters they don’t count," he said.

Dean has said the party will not pay for do-over contests.

"[The DNC's] job now is to elect the President of the United States and we're not going to have the resources to run a primary in Michigan or Florida," Dean said on CNN's American Morning Thursday. "So we hope they can comply with the rules, but they're going to have to figure out how to pay for it."

Related: Florida Gov Charlie Crist discusses the potential of a second primary

– CNN Ticker Producer Alexander Mooney

Filed under: Barack Obama • Florida • Hillary Clinton


John   March 6th, 2008 6:50 pm ET

You guys want the Florida and Michigan votes to count? Well then, figure out a way to runa new election there, since majority of the candidates were not even on the ticket… if it is democracy you want. Otherwise this would be just a scam to support LCinton since she was the ONLY ONE on the ticket in Florida.

CJ   March 6th, 2008 6:50 pm ET

Democrats are going bonkers. They're using Democrat tactics against each other (even though they're still blaming Rove), and the base is going nuts.

It's amazing to see the reactions when they discover the Democrats AND Republicans are equally crooked…

Case   March 6th, 2008 6:49 pm ET

Hillary needs to have the foresight to get out now.

I know she will not but she has to know she can not draw independent or disenfranchised Republican votes. These votes are critical in November. Those votes will be the difference.

Hillary = McCain and more war, and more of the same.

Independent for Obama

Manuel TX   March 6th, 2008 6:40 pm ET

Ok.

Let's ignore the voters in MI and FL.

And let's make Obama the nominee.

And then let's see what the people who voted for Hillary in MI and FL do during the general.

Since Obama says that Hillary is McCain Lite, then it should be easy enough for them to vote for McCain.

Remember, in the general it's winner take all and MI and FL are swing states. Only a few votes are required to win.

I'm ready to concede the nomination to Obama and the Obama-bots, but it will be a Pyrrhic victory. They will lose the general.

:)

Miguel G   March 6th, 2008 6:25 pm ET

I agree 100% with Ken, CNN, please do a story on the "party leaders" that screwed the people of Florida and Michigan! Show their faces. List their positions and credentials. Note who voted for and who voted against (if any) moving their primaries up. The people have a right to know who caused all of this. Maybe then, people will stop blaming Dean or the DNC and put the blame squarely where it belongs!

It's always Party Leaders, party leaders, party leaders. No more ambiguous labels!

Randolph Smith - Charlotte, North Carolina   March 6th, 2008 6:24 pm ET

The Republicans want to have Hilary win because they can beat her easily. The Republicans in charge of Florida will not let a new election occur that could give Barak an advantage. Now they want to make sure to take money out of the Democrats coffers if there will be a re-do. This has everything to do with partisain politics and the political machines in Washington. If the delegates are seated as the votes are, Obama will win the rest of the primaries by landslides because it would expose the political inside machines to the people.

smb   March 6th, 2008 6:19 pm ET

Of course you have to count both states. The DNC can't possibly continue the foolishness of not allowing over 5,000,000 citizens votes to be heard as opposed to 10,000 in some caucus states where "victory " was heralded. Obama who seems to do well where party activists are the only ones who have the time or patience to attend a caucus has not done well in crucial fall states and was on the Florida ballot along with John Edwards. Hillary won Florida the first time and will do so again either now and/or in the fall election.Obama did not take Florida,will not take it in a second round,and is doubtfull to carry it in a general election.

GME   March 6th, 2008 6:19 pm ET

Hillary supporters:

Wonder why it is Hillary Clinton now and not Hillary Rodham Clinton?
Answer: Her brothers Tony and Hugh Rodham. Take a look at the Wikipedia articles. They received money from people in exchange for Pardons from Bill Clinton

What tax returns are people talking about releasing; it is not April 15 yet?
Answer: 2000 through 2006

What is with Obama and Rezko , go to factcheck.org. They have a very good article.

Question Hillary supporters should be asking? Who is Norman Hsu?
Answer: Wow, do a quick search and you will probably forget about Rezko, because you will have found the real thing.

Question Hillary supporters should be asking? What comprises the 8 years of experience you had as First Lady and the 6 years of experience you had as Arkansas first lady?
Answer: Well Hillary's schedule as First Lady while her husband was president won't be released until it is too late for democrats.

Question Hillary supporters should be asking: How were you an integral part of the team if you did not have a security clearance as first lady?
Question Hillary supporters should be asking: Are you voting for Hillary Rodham Clinton or Bill Clinton?
Answer: Bill Clinton

Jose'   March 6th, 2008 6:18 pm ET

Must. Have. Power

At. All. Costs.

Brent   March 6th, 2008 6:18 pm ET

This is what the U.S. election process is about….Hate all the candidates you don't want. I am so sick of politics.

anna   March 6th, 2008 6:18 pm ET

CNN investigated Hillary's qualifications to answer the red phone at 3:00 a.m. . . . but, I didn't hear any such report on Obama's qualifications.

Obama told us he has the better judgement. I hope when CNN gets around to investigating his judgement, that they examine his judgement in purchasing discounted Chicago real estate (and with whose help); his judgement in answering press inquires about NAFT and the Canadians before he knew the truth; his judgement in retaining a staff member who didn't brief him about a conversation with a foreign government and his judgement about meeting his responsibillities as chair of the committee with oversight for Afghanistan.

Grif   March 6th, 2008 6:05 pm ET

Yes Vanessa! If you don't mind my comment. But, was your vote negative, even if it was to you. Positive.

If somebody else win's. You can't go negative afterwards. If you lose, you lose.

Or at least you backed a loser. No winnings. Sorry.

WML   March 6th, 2008 6:05 pm ET

There should be a revote but I wouldn't be surprised if Hillary wins again and wins big. Then Obama will see that he can't win the big prizes which is important. Open your eyes: Hillary has the base voting for her and Obama has Republicans and Independents who have no intention of voting for him in Nov. Who will win then? I think he needs to realize that instead of whining that people are flocking to him. Only when he was winning because everyone loves a winner and they erroneously thought this would be over by now. There are too many superdelegates and too many states to just wipe everything away to someone who does not have a clear and decisive lead like McCain had over his competitors. Enough already.

Another thing we've been talking about is he kept himself on the ballot in FL but not MI. He lost there. Maybe Hillary had the foresight to know that this would happen and that the rule (stripping delegates was stupid). Obama could have kept his name on, too. She did nothing wrong by doing that. Maybe the whining is on the other side because they didn't win and if they are seated, or even redone, Obama may lose and then he will be the underdog.

I think the cries for Hillary to get out are absurd. The race is still close, truly. Obama simply doesn't want to fight for something he thinks he's entitled to. He wants no one to scrutinize or criticize him as we can see through how he behaves when he is and when he's the one who lost. Yeah, I want that attitude and arrogance in my president.

And, his fundraising couldn't buy him the elections in Texas, Ohio, and Rhode Island. I think people need to see Obama completely not just his sermon-like ways. Yes, this country could use some uplifting but we need real solutions and talk. And if he's turning negative (actually, he has already been negative), then he's going against his hope and change message. That's politics as usual, whether we like it or not, and by him doing the dance, he's no different and it takes a bite out of his slogan.

Tony   March 6th, 2008 6:04 pm ET

What about democracy? Don't we need rules and laws and should we allow to violate them if they do not favor the Clintons? The "Democratic" party has shown enough personal loyalty to the Clintons, and now the "superdelegates" disproportionally to the voters still push Hillary just based on some kind of personal loyalty to her family. The "Democratic" party should keep in mind the people are voting CHANGE in Washington and not CHANGE of their rules so that the party favors Clinton once more (this is how Bush was forced into office; don't do that or if you do it change your name).

Justin   March 6th, 2008 6:04 pm ET

Come on. The reality is that unless Florida and Michigan count neither candidate can win. If this wasn't the case there would be no debate, but it is the case. This question is an issue because of the numbers, not because Hillary is desperate (sp?), a whiner, a liar, a cheat, or a vain phony . Forgetting the reality of the numbers… If it were the other way around Barack supporters wouldn't have a problem. Excluding these two states threatens the legitamacy of the democratic process and of democratic principles. In a time where America is trying to show other countries that democracy works, it would be foolish to ignore the votes and voices of the people of two major states of this union.

P.S. Even though it keeps being said that Barrack is ahead in the popular vote, it is untrue. Hillary is ahead in the popular vote. More people, based on votes, not delegates, want Hillary Clinton to be the president of this country. Why is everyone ignoring this fact?

P.P.S. CNN, I find it hard to believe that the only people that have commented on this issue are Obama supporters. This is what SNL alluded to in the unfair treatment of Hillary in the media. Does anyone remember that the so-called negative direction of Hillary's campaign was in response to negative campaign ads from the Obama camp? Why isn't the media bringing that up? Furthermore, how is asking the questions that every American should be asking themselves when choosing a president a negative campaign tactic? The Obama supporters are getting so mad that Hillary has asked these questions because deep down they know the answer.

Kyle   March 6th, 2008 6:04 pm ET

One question: Would she make this argument if she lost in each state?

kb from Iowa   March 6th, 2008 6:04 pm ET

If they do it and she wins it…say good bye to Obama's supporters. They'll be so disheartened they won't show up Nov. 3rd. Try to win the general election without them.

chris, cedar rapids, iowa   March 6th, 2008 6:04 pm ET

I'm a Republican who was going to switch parites but this issue has me sticking to my side of the road. If the Democrats can't play by their own rules what is to say that Clinton or Obama will play by the rules as President. How can any sensible person with a 6 grade education NOT see this as clearly a Clinton side step to power…whatever..and you guys speak of change? Ya right…

One thing though..when did inspiration become a bad word Hillary Clinton. Don't we appreciate when our bosses allow us to do what we are capable of..only with their inspiration to succeed to be better ourselfs! Since when did America become so dependant on Government that who becomes President is more important than what we as individuals can achieve. Obama has it right . I'd rather listen to his inspiration than Clintons "anyway I can to get the presidents office" talk. Lets move on folks…it's not about her, it's about US!

Jay   March 6th, 2008 6:03 pm ET

I would bet that after the general election, Dean is out as DNC chair. This is a train-wreck and all his doing.

Terry in Texas   March 6th, 2008 6:03 pm ET

how can we as democrats, especially in a state like Florida, where we claim that Al Gore was robbed of the White House because every vote did not count..Now we are trying to stop votes from counting. I voted for Obama, but if Florida causes him to lose so be it. We just cannot tell that many people their vote does not count….The DNC cannot have legal right to do that. It is absolutely wrong in a free society such as ours.

Nadeem   March 6th, 2008 6:03 pm ET

Also, Hillary used the marketing spin of winning there. Remember her going to Forida for a victory party. Haw do you undo that.

This is a joke.

Wes   March 6th, 2008 6:03 pm ET

Obama followed the rules to his party for this process. Hillary didn't.

If Obama didn't the lead as the front runner from all those primaries I bet we wouldnt' be talking so much about Florida and Michigan.

Voters should vote but give credit where its due and where its not. The Republican governor of Florida messed it up for the Democrats in Florida. Another way should be figured out. Same for Michigan.

And ALL OF THE SUDDEN they're strongly advocating the voice of the voters.

HELLOOOO WE'RE INTO MARCH ALREADY. Where was your speaking for the people voice a month ago or before that?

Paul   March 6th, 2008 6:03 pm ET

I'm a Democrat in Michigan, and I don't think our delegates deserve to be sat at the convention. Our state's democratic leadership agreed to abide by rules in scheduling, and we broke those rules, even after we were told "If you break these rules, this is what will happen." Then we act shocked that the consequences that were spelled out for us occurred. No do-overs, No seating delegates, this should be a wake-up call to the state leadership that not adhering to something they agreed to is not a way to do business, to build a cohesive political party, or to have a fair and equitable democratic system.

And for people from other states who think this will affect how voters in Michigan will make their choice, you are wrong. The people of Michigan are not stupid enough to submit themselves to four years of John McCain because they feel snubbed. Myself and every other michigan dem I know will still be voting, and still be voting dem in November.

Fake it til you make it Hillary   March 6th, 2008 6:03 pm ET

HILLARY NEW SLOGAN IS:

FAKE

IT

TO

YOU

MAKE

IT!!!!!!!

OBAMA 08

G.L.   March 6th, 2008 6:03 pm ET

Does anyone hear how ridiculous it sounds to blame one person for the actions of the DNC, the MI Democratic Party, the FL Democratic Party and the FL state legislature (which is republican)?

Did it ever occur to you that the "Rules" made by the DNC were flawed from the start? …That the punishment for breaking those rules was made up by the DNC as it went along? …That the punishment doesn't fit the crime? …That disenfranchising the voting public who had no voice in the choices that all these parties made isn't an appropriate way to deal with "breaking the rules"?

The DNC is supposed to be the parent organisation here—obstensibly with its' wisest members making well thought out choices for all democrates…they blew it.

Seat the delegates, fire Howard Dean, and learn from the mistake.

Vera Shabazz   March 6th, 2008 6:03 pm ET

I have one question, will the CLINTONS PAY FOR THE DO OVER IN FLORIDA AND MICHIGAN!

David, Boca Raton, FL   March 6th, 2008 6:03 pm ET

Ahhh, us Republicans are loving this.

Alex   March 6th, 2008 6:03 pm ET

Typical radical leftist views from Obama people. The math is very simple in the general election. NO FLORIDA+NO MICHIGAN=NO GENERAL ELECTION WIN.

Tony   March 6th, 2008 6:01 pm ET

What about democracy? Don't we need rules and laws and should we allow to violate them if they do not favour the Clintons? The "Democratic" party has shown enough personal loyalty to the Clintons, and now the "superdelegates" disproportionaly to the voters still push Hillary just based on some kind of personal loyalty to her family. The "Democratic" party should keep in mind the people are voting CHANGE in Washington and not CHANGE of their rules so that the party favours Clinton once more (this is how Bush was forced into office; don't do that or if you do it change your name).

andy   March 6th, 2008 6:01 pm ET

If Hilary had respected the rules that the DNC and ALL 50 states had agreed to, she would have respected the well-publicized restriction on awarding delegates in Florida and Michigan and not campaigned there. There should have been NO ballot for democrats in those states to avoid this ridiculous argument in the first place.

If voters have a beef about this, they need to contact the state democratic committees in Florida and Michigan and demand that they pay for a primary…the DNC has MUCH better things to do with their money than bail out the idiots who moved the primaries in the first place. To do otherwise would be identical to allowing a football player to score a touchdown because he kept running well after the whistle was blown and everyone else stopped playing.

Steen   March 6th, 2008 6:01 pm ET

Change the rules: let the people vote! You cannot disenfranchise them.
Except when the convention comes and Clinton is trailing, then the superdelegates can overturn the will of those voters who voted for Obama.
They sure are tricky, dem Clintons…I give em dat much. But if I ever catch one of dem poking around in my backyard…

Kerry   March 6th, 2008 6:01 pm ET

She complains that Obama wants to "change the rules" when he suggests that superdelegates should vote the same way that their voeters voted but when it serves her she wants to "change the rules" herself.
Never thought I'd say it, but I think I would vote for McCain if she got the nomination without winning the most pledged delegates.

HD for Obama   March 6th, 2008 6:01 pm ET

A blatant attempt to steal election. Do you really want someone like this as President?

willowood   March 6th, 2008 6:00 pm ET

I have been feeling a little queasy lately with all this Florida/Michigan delegate poltergeist head spinning. Rules for the Clintons-oh, right, there are none. Rules for theDemocratic party-are there any? Rules for Obama and Edwards…they keep trying and Hillary keep's denying.

Bill   March 6th, 2008 6:00 pm ET

I can not stand you people anymore. First of all, Hillary has not lied or cheated. She has not changed her stance on either of these states from the beginning. This is being distorted all over the place by the media and bloggers.

What CLINTON has said. If she is the nominee, she would move to have Florida and Michigan seated. "if she is the nominee", not to get the nomination. She has also said that Michigna and Florida voters need to be counted because if they are not it will hurt the democratic party in the general election.

You guys buy into anything you hear and then do not pay attention to the facts. Its so easy to call this women names, so I guess thats easier than actually researching some facts.

Grow up. Yes, I am a Clinton supporter, only because people like you made me actually look into her record. She is solid, she is truthful. There is no skelton's or evil doings by the Clinton's. Also, the Obama supporters turned me off with their hateful tactics while their candidate was preaching for change.

Hillary Clinton is a honest, trustworthy women. She has dedicated her life to public service and you people should be ashamed of yoursleves.

Brian   March 6th, 2008 6:00 pm ET

Clinton is a sore loser. She is losing and the right person for the job is winning. She will strong arm her way into the White house. Florida and Michigan chose to ignore the rules of the game and now Clinton wants change the rules during the game. I DON'T THINK SO!!!!

Obama will be the nominee and Clinton needs to be quiet so she can be the VP nominee.

AJ / North Carolina   March 6th, 2008 6:00 pm ET

JC above is wrong. Hillary will win - those of us is states to come are contacting all of our super delegates to vote for her. :)

Obama = Loser
McCain = Loser (thanks to Bush backing him)
Hillary = Winner

Joyce, NY   March 6th, 2008 6:00 pm ET

Lots of Obama supporters in this board do not seem to read the whole story about this.

It was the republican legislature in Florida that decided to move their primaries despite opposition from the democrats. It wasn't the fault of Florida voters that it got moved! Why punish them? They are part of this country and should be counted.

The bigger picture is that Florida is a MUST win state in November. Obama should take heed and listen. Do not count the republican states in his column voting dems come GE.

Florida and Ohio are MUST win swing states - if we ever learn anything from 2000 and 2004.

So Obama and supporters, don't get so cocky. Dems need these states to win in Nov. along with Michigan. So don't tick them off!!!

Matt B   March 6th, 2008 6:00 pm ET

Absolutely not fair to change the rules when you're behind! Cheaters never win!

Dean   March 6th, 2008 5:59 pm ET

A similar thing happened with the governor election in Washington State. The loser of the election kept asking for a re-count until she got ahead in the election. Then, when she got the lead after the 3rd recount she told everyone to let it go because she won. Now we are stuck with a governor who has raised more taxes and wasted more money then any governor in our history. Can't wait to get her out of office next year.

How come when someone gets behind they just want everyone to change the rules to get ahead.

Lisa   March 6th, 2008 5:59 pm ET

Veronica in CA, that's only what she appears to be saying.

The delegates elected would necessarily be Clinton delegates because they got no competition because Obama was not competing, respecting the rules of OUR party. They're OUR rules.

She knows she'll get their votes. THAT's why she wants them seated.

Jay   March 6th, 2008 5:59 pm ET

Voters in Michigan and Florida will be crucial to the democrats winning in November. If they are disenfranchised in the primaries, you can forget about them showing up in November.

willard   March 6th, 2008 5:59 pm ET

Rules are rules and if you can't follow them there are always consequences. It would be unfair to Obama and his campaign when he played by the rules and as always the Clinton's want to make the rules up as they go along if it is in their interest only.

Annamica, OH   March 6th, 2008 5:59 pm ET

I can't believe the number of people here who would like to have FL and MI disinfranchised. Is it fear if there is a re-vote Sen. Obama would lose again?

Fil Romero   March 6th, 2008 5:59 pm ET

It's interesting to me that many people seem to be asking when will Hillary Clinton quit campaigning for the nomination and allow Barack Obama to win. Why does she have to quit? How come nobody is asking when will he quit and allow her to win? This is a race, a competition rather. Although he is ahead in pledged delgates Senator Obama isn't even close to securing the neccessary delegates to win. The Obama campaign and his supporters seems to feel like they're now entitled to the nomination. It's troubling to think the Obama campaign and it's supporters will feel "disenfranchised" if he doesn't win the nomination. What about the almost equal number of people who have voted for Senator Clinton? Why shouldn't they feel the same way. Is it because the vast majority of Obama supporters are black Americans who might "raise cain" if he doesn't win? Are we afraid of what they might do? Again, this is a competition that has proven to be very competetive so we have to continue on until someone actually wins. Let's also remember that superdelegates are allowed to use independent judgement when voting for a candidate. If this were a literal foot-race, and two people were neck and neck, we wouldn't expect one to just quit so the other could win. Obama and his supporters act like he's a handful of delegates away from the nomination and Hillary is just preventing him from crossing the finish line. GIVE ME A BREAK!

Jim   March 6th, 2008 5:59 pm ET

I wonder if Hillary would feel so strongly about the voices of the people of Florida and Michigan being heard if Obama had won the primaries?

Karen P   March 6th, 2008 5:58 pm ET

If they can afford to revote, fine…it's their own fault they didn't follow the rules. People in those states should be angry at their OWN officials. Let their officials pay for the election if they want one. If Obama can raise that kind of money…the Florida and Michigan figure out how to raise money to have an election.

Not following the DNC rules in the first place was just stupid!

Abha   March 6th, 2008 5:58 pm ET

Vote for Hillary, that would make Chelsea with 16 year of White House experience and a better experienced candidate in future.

Young Liberal   March 6th, 2008 5:58 pm ET

Should Hillary win the nomination, Nader gets my vote.

Lisa   March 6th, 2008 5:58 pm ET

LIE, CHEAT AND STEAL… WIN THE NOMINATION BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY……. THIS IS THE MANTRA OF THE CLINTON CAMPAIGN.

WAY TO GO HILLARY!!!

Chuck   March 6th, 2008 5:58 pm ET

Would Hillary be so adamant about the Floirida / Michigan delegates being seated (because it is their right as citizens) if Obama gained more delegates then she in these States? Yeah, right. If you think Hillary is most concerned with your right to be seated Florida and Michigan rather then for her own self-benefit then ask her if she would agree that both States delegates be seated and that both split their delegates equally betrween her and Obama. See what she says then and listen to the spin. Obama's name was not even on the ballot in Michigan and they should be seated so it benefits her? No way… The Obama camp would never agree to that and I don't blame them one bit.

Angela   March 6th, 2008 5:58 pm ET

This fight needs to end or Democrats will lose a considerable number of votes in the general election because it will seem like no candidate in that party can resolve small issues therefore national issues.

Lynn   March 6th, 2008 5:58 pm ET

Did anyone say CHANGE? This is NOT change we believe in. LOL
She does like change though. She changed her slogans, advertisements, campaign manager, tactics, etc. Give it up HRC you have lost this battle and still are playing dirty. We have had enough of you.

I do feel bad for FL and MI. They won't get the experiences we have had on the Obama team. Go Obama! YES WE CAN! and WE CAN'T WAIT!

Sara   March 6th, 2008 5:57 pm ET

A blatant attempt to steal election. Do you really want someone like this as President?

Bobby   March 6th, 2008 5:56 pm ET

Democratic Party, DNC, Howard Dean, Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton all at the a little crow/take responsibility, for Michigan and Florida delegates/voters.
1. Florida primary states as it was voted, all parties were present on the ballot and 1.7 million voters turned out.

2. Michigan primary, 40% were uncommitted, give Mr. obama 90% of the uncommitted voter, as Obama or Edwards did not appear on the ballot.

3. Hillary Clinton, receives 10% of the uncommitted vote, because it would be a certainty that Edwards would have received at least 50% of the uncommitted vote if his name had been on the ballot.

4. Democratic Party and DNC/Mr.Howard Dean, has to live with the results, Michigan and Florida have voted Hillary won. DNC and the organizing committees from Florida and Michigan must live with the results also, to have taxpayers/voters pay for this mess created by the organizing committees is unconscionable, the players have to step up and be accountable, it’s an easy fix when you take responsibility for this stupid attempt at limiting democracy. To think that voting out to states, how many states would a Democratic Party be allowed to eliminate 2, may be 4, lets go 18, yes where does it end, remember “no taxation without representation”. Mr. Dean and Mr. Obama and all players concerned might want to think about that.

5. Mr. Obama, stop crying about the rules, your election platforms clearly stated, that the delegates would determine a candidate for the Democratic Party. Mr. Obama, voted on the rules to disenfranchise voters/delegates from Michigan and Florida this is a fact, the above statement is totally contradictory to what you are saying in your speeches. This was a backdoor/old boys solution to Michigan and Florida and Mr. Obama voted right with the establishment and not part of the solution but part of the problem. Mr. Obama,your personal gains have been in momentum as a result of Hillary wins in Michigan and Florida but no delegate count. The solution allows you 90% of the uncommitted vote and you should think of this as a gift, this costs you nothing in money or time, plus you’ll be able to spin this any number of ways.

6. Ms. Hillary Clinton, won Florida and Michigan and has had significant negative/hurtful/bias media coverage pertaining to Florida and Michigan. Meanwhile Republican governor fight for the delegates/voters not to be disenfranchised but is unwilling to pay for a new primer, some $18 million. The momentum gains for Obama from Michigan and Florida were huge and continue this day as Hillary fights for her delegates.

7. This cheap/inexpensive solution suits Michigan and Florida it puts delegates/voters first, before it Hillary and Obama. The DNC and Florida and Michigan’s organizing committees be accountable to the disenfranchised voter/delegate, no one is changing the rules, we’re getting the job done. The players have to remember, that they made this stupid mess and they have to clean it up! Without costing the taxpayers anymore money.

Mr. Howard Dean, DNC, Ms. Clinton, Mr. obama, Florida and Michigan’s organizing committee. The solution is simple if all the players stand up and eat some crow. Or let this all go to lawyers, going to the convention, and just make one hellish mess of it’s all. Your educated people, stop trying to blame everyone for all this stuff, make it easy for all of us, yes the taxpayers are people who pay for your temporary jobs. To Howard Dean, if you are unable to champion this fight/solution, just get a new job and quit.

Bobby
Canada

RachelBSW   March 6th, 2008 5:56 pm ET

I honestly feel sorry for the Florida and Michigan voters, but YOUR elected officials let you down with this. They knew the rules and voted to break them anyway. Only the Clintons would find it fair to change the rules in middle of the game.
There have to be consequences when the rules aren't followed. I'm sorry that it hurts the people, but you guys need to take it out on you legislators.

Obama 08

La Raza   March 6th, 2008 5:56 pm ET

The people in Ohio are all fools. No wonder your economy is in the toilet. You actually bought in to Clintonitis. What a shame you are!

Don M.   March 6th, 2008 5:56 pm ET

The Rules did not apply to Hillary when she hid the Rose law firm records from subpoena for two years in the White House living quarters. Why should they apply to her now?

We little people would be staring at a grand jury if we did what she did. But she is a Clinton, after all.

Dave near Buffalo NY   March 6th, 2008 5:56 pm ET

What an absolutely shameless example they (she and everyone who supports her) set for others. Make no mistake, supporting her is a vote for the sort of standards she is displaying right now.

Leo   March 6th, 2008 5:55 pm ET

Using her own words:

It's pathetic.

Talk about flip-flopping. Kerry is a rock compared to her.

Laura   March 6th, 2008 5:55 pm ET

If Hillary really meant it when she said she doesn't want to disenfranchise anyone in the primary process, she wouldn't tolerate or even suggest that Michigan's delegates be seated as things currently stand. Obama and Edwards followed the bizarre "rules" and left their names off the ballot. Seating her delegates for Michigan without anyone in Michigan being given the opportunity to vote for Obama in the primary is unethical, unfair, and against the whole idea of a democracy. Seems like we have a new dirty-tricks politician on the rise. She'd be a better leader if she learned something about "taking the high road."

SAW   March 6th, 2008 5:55 pm ET

If ANY ONE OF US had our vote stifled, I'm sure we'd feel pretty upset about it. It is NOT the citizens of Michigan and Florida who are to blame. It is the fault of the leaders of the Democratic Party ….. Howard Dean and his sidekicks. It is our Constitutional right to have our voices heard and our party has denied it to those two states and also to all the states who hold caucuses. Many senior citizens and physically challenged adults who need wheelchairs could not participate in caucuses because of physical limitations. Yell and Scream and Demand changes from the party but don't deny american citizens the right to have their votes counted. Personally I think the fairest way is to have primaries held or reheld in both states …. again, caucuses discriminate and OUR PARTY is one of INCLUSIVENESS so let's not advocate to EXCLUDE! It's the simple old saying …. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. GoooooooOOOOOO, DEMOCRATS!

moderate dem   March 6th, 2008 5:55 pm ET

FIRE HOWARD DEAN,

THE MASTERMIND OF THIS WHOLE MESS

Mary   March 6th, 2008 5:55 pm ET

You all are right - no surprise that Hillary wants a re-do. I wonder if she would agree to holding caucuses in both states - which would be a cheaper way to go.

David   March 6th, 2008 5:55 pm ET

Hillary is doing the right thing! Obama could have gone and "campaigned" there even though the media is doing it free for him EVERYWHERE! So, cnn, msnbc, fox and other networks reach Michangan and Floirda so he did in a sense campain in those states.

I am really sick of cnn posting such negativities about Senator Clinton — Obama supporters are really hostile people!
So much for a better world with unity and such.

Hillary all the way!

Fake it til you make it Hillary   March 6th, 2008 5:55 pm ET

Hillary wouldn't have this problem if she was a fair hearted person.

Obama 08

Kim   March 6th, 2008 5:54 pm ET

This really is a no brainer. People vote and the votes should count. The fact that the Democratic Party can't get its act together is no fault of the voters themselves who have little to say on when a primary or caucus is held. If the Democratic Party wants to risk the wrath of the Florida and Michigan voters, so be it. John McCain will be very happy.

Heather Peterson   March 6th, 2008 5:54 pm ET

This Michigander would like the opportunity for my voice to be heard…for OBAMA.

Jan Collins   March 6th, 2008 5:54 pm ET

Only if they re-do the vote and just do caucuses.

pd4hillary   March 6th, 2008 5:54 pm ET

Just a couple of quick pts.

Florida Dems, if we are not counted in this contested election, we should change our political party. Let the Democrats know that they cannot disenfranchise 1.7 milion voters. I for one will do so.

A suggestion of splitting the delegates 50/50 is the equivalent of not counting the votes, since that is not the way Florida Dems voted.

No, it was not the FL Dems fault that the primary was moved up, it was the Republican legislature and Rep governor that did so.
Obama may win on technicality on this issue, but he will lose the war on principle. Florida will not go for him in the GE, especially if the FL Dems had no say in the nomination process. That is just a cold hard fact, so don't blame Hillary for stating what should have been obvious to all at the beginning. You don't win elections by negating elections. All Dems should demand Dean's resignation for letting this issue get out of hand. This will lose the election for the Dems in NOV.

jenn   March 6th, 2008 5:54 pm ET

somebody needs to let mrs clinton know that she needs to play the game by the rules and that she cant go changing the rules in the middle of the game even if they dont suit her… poor poor hillary - not getting her way!

HD for Obama   March 6th, 2008 5:53 pm ET

I am from Kentucky and am tired of people putting down our state so I understand how voters in Mississippi feel when they are being put down. This is not a negative ad…….it is a quote of what she said a few months ago you poor Clinton supporters. Simple.

You should not put down a community or state because they are not as educated as the prominent families that Hillary comes from. Everyone is not dealt the same hand. The biggest surprise I see in this campaign is that the Clintons are winning votes among the so-called "wal mart democrats", which by the way is offenssive to me because this is the largest store in my hometown of 6,000 people. Why do voters want a candidate who feels this way about the poor and less educated? Why would they not want a candidate who struggled and fought his way to where he is now instead of being born into wealth and then marrying well?

If John Edwards wants to see real change in Washington, then why hasn't he endorsed Obama yet? Edwards said that Clinton was the status quo candidate and if real change is needed to help poor, rural areas like my hometown, then we need real change in Washington. Not another Clinton administration.

HG   March 6th, 2008 5:53 pm ET

If Obama lost 12 in a row. He would of been out of this race. But since it is a Clinton we must always give them another chance. I dont how people can call the media bias when they are keeping her pitiful campaign afloat. Think before you vote do we really want BUSH-CLINTON-BUSH-CLINTON. I think its time for the Clitons and Bushs to go off into the sunset.

Obama Supporters.....   March 6th, 2008 5:53 pm ET

At minimum seat the delegates….but otherwise - just do a vote - no caucus! Done - and then perhaps we can see again that the great states of Michigan and Florida will bring another winner in for Senator Clinton - even though we already know that Senator Obama will spend dilligently for all those votes.

He did it in Texas - Ohio - Vermont - Rhode Island and he will try it in Florida and Michigan……..

Prove him wrong - that all the money in the world will not take away your good senses of who will be the next great President - Senator Clinton!

Lindsay   March 6th, 2008 5:53 pm ET

Funny…because she wasn't so worried about disenfranchising voters a year and a half ago when the decision to take away the delegates was made. She will change her mind when it suits her. Of course this is all part of her "endgame" to try to steal the nomination. First, she will try to change the rules that everyone agreed upon, then she will try to get taxpayers or the DNC to pay for another primary (seriously crippling the party's funds going into the general election), and finally, she will try to sway the superdelegates to vote AGAINST their constituents. Meanwhile, she will unfairly attack Obama and hope she can fool people into believing she is the candidate of "experience." Take note…she has only held an elected office since 2000. By contrast, Obama has held an elected office since 1996. Being the spouse of a politician does not equate the same experience! Don't think that the Republicans won't jump all over her "experience" argument in the general election.

Simona Continente   March 6th, 2008 5:53 pm ET

Erm…Who is Obama? Hillary for President please. Thank you

Len Arenas   March 6th, 2008 5:53 pm ET

Forget that it is obvious that Hillary is desperate to rob, steal, cry for, or plead for delegates. Does't it occur to everyone that this means that she is a situational moralist. Forget that for a moment, but isn't it indicative of just how she would conduct foreign policy if elected. Gee, I can't see how she would be able to colloborate with half the Democrats in Congress, much less the Republicans. Just remember, she was not able to push through health care reforms because she was not able to build a team playing partnership. Now, what makes anyone think that she can do it now. I'd say that having Hillary for President is just begging for America's continued downfall economically, diplomatically, morally, and all at the expense of the working poor.-Wake up America!-Len

Cindy   March 6th, 2008 5:53 pm ET

What is even funnier is that in Michigan a full 41% voted undecided rather than vote for Hillary. What does that tell you.

Be careful what you wish for, you just may get it.

At this point the democratic party must tread very carefully. Anything they do that gives the appearance of pandering to HRC's wishes and that does not give Obama a fair shot at winning delegates in these two states will be looked at as an attempt to steal the nomination away from Obama. If that happens, there will be hell to pay…. now and for the next 15 to 20 years.

As to you outraged voters in Michigan and Florida…. why don't you spend time venting at the bozo's who made the decision to ignore the DNC and move up the primaries. It is not the fault of either HRC or Obama but you are the ones who are having to bare the brunt of their decision. That's OK, I'm sure the DNC will let you vote in the general election.

Chris, Denver CO   March 6th, 2008 5:52 pm ET

If they want to count, all they need to do is schedule a new vote that complies with the rules. Simplest thing in the world.

Jake NY   March 6th, 2008 5:52 pm ET

Forget about some stupid rules and who agree to what and where. Didn't Obama pledged to abide by public financing and now he has no clue about this "pledge". Fact is…this is a democracy and if people desire to vote, then they should be allowed to vote and have their vote count. It's bad enough that Florida already had a scandel with the voting in the last Presidential election, do we want to follow that debacle again by not making their vote count? Just have the election and whoever wins, wins. You can't tell the voters in Michigan and Florida they are citizens but they can't vote? What kind of nonsense is this, especially from the party that is supposed to be "for the people"?.

Goodheart   March 6th, 2008 5:52 pm ET

How can anyone be against this re-vote? It was not the Florida and Michigan voters fault that they were mis-represented. They don't deserve to be left out of this historic primary. Whatever their representatives did to them, now they should not be dis-infranchised.
Let their voices be heard… they are a big part of this country and important states in the general election.

sam   March 6th, 2008 5:52 pm ET

Sen. Obama’s decision to go explicitly negative suggests that he is unable to make an affirmative case for his candidacy beyond ad hominem attacks. Why isn’t he discussing the hearings that he held on the Foreign Affairs subcommittee that he chairs? Why isn’t he talking about his travel through Latin America? Why isn’t he briefing the public on his comprehensive plan to address the foreclosure crisis now? Why isn’t he stumping on his universal plan health care plan? Because he can’t and so he is advancing a campaign strategy premised on process and personal attacks.

abby   March 6th, 2008 5:52 pm ET

what a lady.. she is never to be trusted. she says something today and the next day its something else… so what are the rules for? and why did she agree to it… on the other hand I think democrats must not anger these states despite the fact that they choose to break the rules.. to make it fair Just split the delegates.. Re -do will cost so much. I believe we have better things to spend this money on.

doug   March 6th, 2008 5:51 pm ET

Go Hillary, to the moon and do'nt come back.

democrate in LA   March 6th, 2008 5:51 pm ET

I feel better now after watching this clip. Howard Dean will NEVER authorize DNC money ($18M!) to pay for a 2nd primary due to a Republican tactic to disenfranchise hundreds of thousands of Florida Democrats. It was a brilliant strategy on the part of the Florida Republicans, and it will surely gain Crist front-runner status to become McCain's running mate. Brilliant, absolutely brilliant.

If Crist sticks to this position in Florida, Floridian delegates can plan to watch the convention on TV with the rest of us. Unbelievable. If the DNC caves in, there will be mayhem in the streets. This very tactic will motivate the DNC to broker a nominee with the superdelegates sooner rather than later. All the better for Mr. Obama.

SV   March 6th, 2008 5:51 pm ET

Shame on Hillary. Clintons are known for their lies and fraud.

All these days she was dreaming about someone and suddenly she is misleading everyone.

DNC Chairman Howard Dean shouldnt bow down to these cheapos. They should stick to the rules.

Shame on people of Florida and Michigan also. If they are too keen on showing their support to any of their candidate they should have voiced their opinions in January itself.

Michael, North Carolina   March 6th, 2008 5:50 pm ET

Sen. Clinton will destroy the Democratic Party if she tries to get those delegates seated. Michigan and Florida will clearly be favorited for her. It would be different if Sen. Clinton said in the begining that she was against not seating the delegates, but SHE WAS NOT, RULES ARE RULES. I can not imagine what Sen. Clinton would do and say if she was in the position of Sen. Obama. Bill Clinton would raise all kind of sand if Sen. Obama wanted to change the rules in the middle of the game. Sen. Clinton should just save face, and bow out of the race for the sake of the Democratic Party.

YES WE CAN
OBAMA/EDWARDS "08

TKS   March 6th, 2008 5:50 pm ET

Isn't the "The Bushesque…I'm above the rules" thinking what we were all trying to get rid of? Yet, here we are again. What is it about the AMerican people that makes us say one thing and then do another?

We say we want change in Washington…yet so many of us are still voting for the same old people hoping to get a new result. We say we want to have people who are not so arrogant to think they are above the law, yet here we are saying that we are considering letting the states that CHOSE to forgo seating their delegates so they could move up their primaries have another go at it AND we are considering it because Hillary keeps calling for it?

Wake up people. Where was Mrs. Clinton's indignation when the decision was made? Why is she only vocal now that she feels that she is going to benefit? Examine the motives of all the parties. And then we question why we are in the state we are in as a country.

Tyler   March 6th, 2008 5:50 pm ET

Well its sounds like the Obama fans… excuse me… supporters, are getting a little scared!

Hillary 08′

Alexandra   March 6th, 2008 5:50 pm ET

I can tell from the posted comments that everyone belives Hillary is a fraud. But what i don't understand is why everyone keeps falling for her dirty tricks?
How is it that Ohio and Texas voted for her despite her negatives?
I think America is not ready for a change at all.
America wants the same old corruption and enpeachment scandals of the 90's.
If Hillary wins the nomination Obama's supporters should vote for McCain. He has run an honest and positive campaign just like Obama
Obama/Edwards '08 or McCain/Huckabee '08

Neil   March 6th, 2008 5:49 pm ET

“With two outstanding candidates battling so closely for their party’s nomination, there’s no way you can tell nearly two million Florida voters they don’t count," he said in a statement.

We just did.

SONIA   March 6th, 2008 5:49 pm ET

Sen. Obama’s decision to go explicitly negative suggests that he is unable to make an affirmative case for his candidacy beyond ad hominem attacks. Why isn’t he discussing the hearings that he held on the Foreign Affairs subcommittee that he chairs? Why isn’t he talking about his travel through Latin America? Why isn’t he briefing the public on his comprehensive plan to address the foreclosure crisis now? Why isn’t he stumping on his universal plan health care plan? Because he can’t and so he is advancing a campaign strategy premised on process and personal attacks.

andrea, Illinois   March 6th, 2008 5:48 pm ET

This woman just makes me sick!!!
Rules are rules, ALSO FOR HILARY!!!
It's pretty obvious that now that she needs the delegates, she wants to change the rules. Didn't she and everybody else agree to the rules before?At that point she probably didn't expect that in March she would not only not be the nominee, but also trailing. Her way of politics are just disgusting and that's why we need CHANGE!

uchujin   March 6th, 2008 5:48 pm ET

How about this:

If the candidates want Florida or Michigan delegates, let them fund the primary redo by turning over $10M apiece to each to state to re-administer the process. Their fundraising machines are quite capable of raising the $20M each would require. That way no one is disenfranchised even though they deserve to be.

PF- Florida   March 6th, 2008 5:48 pm ET

Did she not agree, months ago, with the Democratic Committee, not to allow them because Florida wanted to vote early…does she not realize that MANY people in Florida, like myself, DID NOT go out and vote because we knew the votes were not going to be counted! Also, Obama was not on the Michigan ticket. Desperate times call for desperate measures.

Lucas lederer   March 6th, 2008 5:47 pm ET

the delegates should be seated I have idea why to we tell Wisconsin and conneticut and Georgia there votes dont count and see how they like it. Obama supporters should go by the structure of a democracy and let everyone have a say.

Ric   March 6th, 2008 5:47 pm ET

ha ha ha. Dems are gonna lose…. ha ha ha!

Mc Cain - Lieberman '08

** funny how John Mc Cain will be the one to unite the parties.
poor Dems… busy fightin each other. Took your eyes off the ball.
Thanks Obama and Clinton. Couldn't have done it without you!!!!

Joel, VA   March 6th, 2008 5:47 pm ET

This is a clear indication of the lack of character on the part of Hillary. As a parent she is sending a very destructive message to children that "rules are meant to be broken."

I would have thought that Americans with ethical standards would come out in droves to condemn this practice. Rules that were set by all participants should be honored in order to validiate the integrity of the process.

Attempting to change the rules in the middle of the game because it suits you is a disgrace to democracy and begs the question, "WHAT OTHER UNDERHANDED APPROACH HAS HILLARY USED TO GET HER THIS FAR IN THE RACE?"

Sacramento   March 6th, 2008 5:47 pm ET

I'm all for a do-over, but if they give unearned and undeserved delegates to this desperate, cheating woman, then I'm moving to Canada.

Ed   March 6th, 2008 5:46 pm ET

If the votes had gone Obama's way she wouldn't be saying this.
THE CLINTONS ARE CORRUPT TO THE BONE!!

LA-Ann Arbor   March 6th, 2008 5:46 pm ET

I think the delegates should be allocated in proportion to the popular vote for Florida and Michigan. Senator Obama took his name off the ballot in Michigan, a seldom mentioned detail by him or his campaign. It probably wasn't the best judgment.

Florida should be allocated as is, since the vote to move the primary was requested by a Governor and legislature led by the other party.

Garba   March 6th, 2008 5:46 pm ET

I give in. Let us seat the FL and MI delegates but since the election was not fair or conducted normally, then the seating should rectify that.

Half the FL and MI delegates go to Obama and the other half to Hillary.

1. They get seated
2. Their votes count
3. They are not alienated
4. Everyone is included

Anything else is not acceptable.

ted   March 6th, 2008 5:45 pm ET

This lady is really getting on my nerves. HC says she did'nt campaign in florida - maybe not officailly but she was there fund raising and i'm sure she said a few words in her behalf while she was there. Some floridians have said that she had been pormising them their votes would count, and to please go out and vote well before the election day. If that's not campaigning - i dont know what is, especially when trying to play the ' im the only one who respects your vote' card.

ray   March 6th, 2008 5:45 pm ET

clinton is a parasite living large off of hard working americans, just type in clinton scandal and and look at all of the federal investigations,lies & dirty deals.
clintons are so corrupt anyone who would put them back in the whitehouse is very stupid. people forget the clintons were impeached pretty much kicked out of the whitehouse.

James   March 6th, 2008 5:45 pm ET

Hillary, this sound like fraud to me.

Dena NJ   March 6th, 2008 5:45 pm ET

The rules were clearly set now Hillary is saying too bad let's ignore the rules and do what is good for me !!
What does this say for the type of leadership she represents?
Out with the old style politics full of deals and connections etc etc..

How unfair to those who did not show up to vote because they were following the rules!

It's clear the Clintons have no values and will let nothing get in the way of their personal gain.
What kind of country will we have is we start to ignore all rules??
Why is Hillary sending such a bad message, once again thank sto a Clinton parents will have to explain to their children that the Clintons live by their own rules and set of values and morals!

If Florida and Mich want to be seated just have a re-do

Jeff - Illinois   March 6th, 2008 5:45 pm ET

Now we know why Hillary spent the time and effort she did on those states. She figured she could slither in and get the delegates to count in states where she basically ran uncontested.

Hillary's attitude on this issue has helped me to finally make up my mind on whether I would vote for her should she get the nomination, and the answer is clearly, no.

This is disgusting.

Ty   March 6th, 2008 5:45 pm ET

Barack should take Hillary's offer and agree to have an election do-over. We the way the math works even if he loses Both FL and MI by less than 20% She will still be toast way b4 Puerto Rico….trust me do tha math game….

Arlene NY   March 6th, 2008 5:45 pm ET

To the people of Florida and Michigan:The DNC refuses to let your votes count. Yet, come November they fully expect you to vote for the Democratic nominee? Well, in protest of the way the DNC are not being democratic to the citizens of Florida and Michigan, I for one, will not be voteing come November.

HD for Obama   March 6th, 2008 5:45 pm ET

Did Wolfe vote for Hillary? I heard this but can't confirm this…..his reporting has been so biased in the past few weeks when it appeared his candidate would lose out.

Sue   March 6th, 2008 5:44 pm ET

Hillary is pathetic and she makes me sick !

Everyone knows the name "Clinton" means nothing but corruption and scandle.

Hillary, just go away !

Ardnuas   March 6th, 2008 5:44 pm ET

This is unfair to all the other states that played by the rules!!!!!!!!!!
George Bush stole the 2000 election, and the Clintons are TRYING to steal the 2008 election. If they STEAL this election, I will NEVER vote for another Democrat !!!!

Wyoming Dem   March 6th, 2008 5:44 pm ET

Hillary aside…I feel for the voters in those states. Sure, there states choose to buck the DNC but few if any of the voters understood that when they went and cast their ballot it counted for NOTHING! Their leadership in FLorida and Michigan are the ones to blame. Problem is…"How do you punish FLorida & Michigan without punishing the Democratic electorate in those States?" I guess I am in favor of cutting the amount of dlegates awarded in half? I don't know. No easy answer.

Hillary friends in MA   March 6th, 2008 5:44 pm ET

i hope somebody tells those first time Obama voters that its not a good idea to disenfranchise Florida, just before a General Election.

Do the few hundred caucus goers in Alaska deserve more of a voice than the Millions in Florida and Michigan?

steinway   March 6th, 2008 5:44 pm ET

Obviously the neophytes who think these states aren't important haven't paid attention to the electoral process in the last twenty years.

Michigan and Florida are crucial for the same reason most of the states Mrs. Clinton has won are, they are populous states with electoral clout which makes them pivotal to winning a national election ie. any candidate that can't win Ohio, Texas, Florida, Michigan, etc. cannot be president of this country.

Also, I find it ironic that Mr. Obama characterizes this as attempting to "change the rules" when he has over and over again pressured the superdelegates to follow the votes of their constituents when they were expressly created to decide using their own best judgement in order to negate any influence from Independents and Republicans who crossed the lines and voted in states where this is allowed.

Michelle   March 6th, 2008 5:44 pm ET

If they just want to seat the delegates . then 50-50 so it does not really influence the outcome.

Why weren't all the FLORIDA people OUTRAGED in 2000 ? Thanks for giving the rest of us President Bush for 8 years.

2 wars
3 trillion dollar debt from one of those wars
Has done not one positive thing for America
KATRINA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Where was this kind of OUTRAGE in 2000 ? I just didn't see it .

BLACKMAN for HILLARY   March 6th, 2008 5:44 pm ET

GO HILLARY GO!! KEEP FIGTHING FOR WHAT THE PEOPLE BELIEVE IN!! WE CAN DO THIS!!

HILLARY 08

HIllary 08

Hillary 08

michele valentino   March 6th, 2008 5:43 pm ET

You can't get what you want at the expense of other people. What about all the voters who stayed home and didn't vote because they thought their vote wouldn't count. Aren't their voices as valuable as the ones who voted in a non sanctioned election? Hold new primaries in both states and let everyone vote this time. It should be paid for by those who broke the rules including candidates who broke their promise.

Michele Valentino
Dallas, Texas

jarryd   March 6th, 2008 5:43 pm ET

its funny if it was other way around you wouldn't be saying that mr Ryan along with all other Clinton supporters . We mideas well just change all the rules to fit who ever needs to win . Just like bush Did to win

jp/michigan   March 6th, 2008 5:43 pm ET

I voted in Michigan. It isn't my fault that the power to be decided to move up the date. I want my vote to count. Obama and Edwards made the choice no to have their names on the ballot, even after ask by the Michigan democratic party to leave their names on. You can split the uncommitted voted in half for Obama and Edwards. Florida all candidates were on the ballot so devide the delagates according to the election out come.

Kevin- PA   March 6th, 2008 5:43 pm ET

Oh Hillary you want to change the rules in the middle of the race! How pathetic !!!…
Hillary does not care about rules..America…all she wants is to "WIN" Hillary this is America, last I checked we dont have jungle rule over here!

HD for Obama   March 6th, 2008 5:42 pm ET

Obama won 13 straight contests before the Clintons were able to hold off their large leads in Ohio and Texas. Now Obama will win the next two battles. I want to see democrats in Pennsylvania rise up and vote to end this election by voting for Obama. She should not try to "steal" this election like Bush did in 2000 by allowing Florida and Michigan count when they obviously did not count prior to starting this election because their leadership broke the rules.

Clinton is trying to "steal" this election like George Bush did in 2000. Democrats will not stand for this and there will be consequences if this happens again as voters will leave the party and not trust the DNC.

K.Celina IL   March 6th, 2008 5:42 pm ET

Voters, You all need to hear that:
"Obama was a teenager, living in South Carolina.
One of the property owner hired Young Obama to do some garden work. The boy was lazy, needed to be remined that the job needs to be done (three or more times). Finaly the owner let him go with words.
Boy, you better stick with Politics, you are unable to keep any job, you are lazy" This wards come from doughter of the propery owner.
Her father wa stired of the teenager, reminding him, that the job has to be done !!!!!
I can't picture this with Obama going in to Presidency.!!!! Sorry !!!

Tou, Minnesota   March 6th, 2008 5:42 pm ET

Like the Iraq War, I bet you Hillary won't admit that she made a 'mistake' when she agreed to rules. Pointing the finger at someone else as usual.

Know Hillary - No Hillary   March 6th, 2008 5:42 pm ET

Hillary beat the New York Yankees in the T-ball World Series - she did so by not telling them there was a contest. Now she thinks she a champion. Grow up.

Jen   March 6th, 2008 5:41 pm ET

Thats Hillary a Rule Breaker.. but if they do agree to this it would have to be a revote.. cant take it like it is. Too many didnt vote due to they knew their vote would not make a difference at the time. Cant take a win if its not a TRUE WIN!!!

BYE BYE HILLARY!!

Go Obama!!

kerry d   March 6th, 2008 5:40 pm ET

as a republican i hope that the dems keep at each other. mccain is not going to drag all of the nasty stuff out against clinton and obama, but these two dems will do each other in without a doubt unless a major statesman in the party tells them to knock it off, if they can find a major statesman that does not have a dog in this fight.

kb13   March 6th, 2008 5:40 pm ET

Every American's vote should count. Seat the delegates!

Nick   March 6th, 2008 5:40 pm ET

Go Hilldog!! You're allowed to change your mind on the issue of delegates, all women can change their mind!

Just Miss   March 6th, 2008 5:40 pm ET

I really wish Hillary would stop with the dirty politics. If she was ahead right now Hillary would not want these two states to count. She has issues and really needs to get over them…..

Hillary - Give it up!!!! Seriously, mathmatically it is impossible for you to win. You decided every vote wasn't important enough for you to try and get. "Only the big states matter…" You said! Well, guess what? The little states matter too!!! We all need a president….not just they few you decide are worth your time.

G.N. Penley   March 6th, 2008 5:40 pm ET

Hillary wants to change the rules in the middle of the game, of course. Typical Clintonesque maneuver. If she had lost those states, I wonder what she'd be saying. Just kidding; I don't wonder at all. Here's wishing her the worst.

Daid   March 6th, 2008 5:40 pm ET

I can’t believe we are still talking about this issue. Hilary herself propagated and promoted this rule. How then can she then turn around to fight against it just because it is not going in her favor? She probably thinks she is above the law and can pick and choose which one to abide by at her appropriate time. America does this sound familiar? If you let the women win, you are putting another George W. Bush in the White House. I can’t imagine myself living, even for a second, under another Bush like administration.

SoreLoser   March 6th, 2008 5:39 pm ET

Ryan - Next time, remember to bring the other half of your brain before you make such STUPID comments.
The local politicians in both states KNEW the consequences and they still did it. IT ABSOLUTELY doesn't make sense to talk about these 2 states and people's voice now. Thats the price they pay for having such STUPID politicians like Sen. Bill Nelson. My 5 year old can explain this to you if you wish.

Stephen   March 6th, 2008 5:39 pm ET

If you are not able to play by the rule you are out! No body changes the rule in between a game. As I understand everyone knew and understood that FL and MI don’t count so I don’t see why they should change anything now.

Buddy, OR   March 6th, 2008 5:39 pm ET

Look at the big picture people!! We Dems cannot afford to have dissident voters in battle ground states like FL and MI. The state have and will play a vital role in the Presidental elections. We have to figure out a way to have these voters voices herd. As for FL I feel it should be hers. Niether of them campaigned there, both names were on the ballot, as for MI… I don't know. Give her hers and give him the uncommitted. Obama should have never taken his name of the ballot. Call it a lapse in gudgement, inexperience, rookie mistake, what ever, his bad. Live and learn.
The point still is these people have to be herd.

The Decider   March 6th, 2008 5:39 pm ET

This needs to be put to rest. It was decided by the DNC and the candidates (all of them) that there delegates would NOT be seated if they moved their primaries up. Now that she is scratching for delegates, she is BEGGING for them to be seated.

I agree with Roland Martin…. Just split them down the middle and let them be seated. That will put them both closer to the magic number and make these last few states extremely important. I have seen the Obama campaign in most states where she picks and chooses. Beings from a midwest state it would of been nice if she could of spent a little time with us nobodies????? I won't vote for her.. Just keep crying and you will probably get your wish Hilly!!!! This is getting pretty sickening. Press loves it and I think it is going to tear the party apart……

Steve   March 6th, 2008 5:39 pm ET

Ryan, Please explain to me why it's ok for Hillary to vote FOR banning the delegates, then attempt to get them un-banned. This is nothing more than typical Clinton politics, trying to change the rules as they go.

Sheri   March 6th, 2008 5:39 pm ET

The public was privy to the transparency of poor tactics used by Hillary when she made a dash for Florida, and it has become clear that she did not plan on playing by the rules in the first place.
Nice guys may finish last (obama) but at least they finish…
The leaders of Michigan and Florida need to cough up the money and play by the rules. It appears that Hillary, Michigan and Florida think they are bigger than the DNC or rules of the contest.
Such a tiring story see over and over again in the movies. Don't they know that when you cheat you end up losing?

Mad in Texas   March 6th, 2008 5:39 pm ET

Why shouldn't all the votes and delegates count. Obama had the same chance as Hillary. He campaigned in Florida, she didn't, and his name was still on the ticket. He had a choice in Michigan but was too dumb to take it. Why should the people of Florida and Michigan be punished. DEAN says because of their rules. They don't have any rules. The rules of elections lay with the states. They have the right to hold an election at any time. This should be taken to the Supreme Court. Obama, Dean, and Puloski are trying to pull a Bush on Hillary at Kennedys bidding. How could anybody listen to that murderer. He should be tried. Like OJ he was another great American injustice. When you get to be President Hillary please go after him and try him. Also go after Bob Novak. Try him for treason. He gave up the name of the lady CIA Agent endangering her life, at Bush and Cheney's request. Bush and Cheney also need to be tried for treason. GO HILLARY 08

Sara   March 6th, 2008 5:38 pm ET

BS, great post and how true. Why can't more people see this?

Efrain Hernandez Sr.   March 6th, 2008 5:38 pm ET

I am a Florida registered Democrat voting on each local, county, state and national election since 1974. I have never seen something like the actual situation regarding my Democrat Party at the State and National level ignoring the power of the constitutional voting rights of the registered voters in Florida. If the NDC had to penalize someone for moving ahead the primaries in Florida, Dr. Dean took the easy but dangerous decision not to allow the Florida delegates to be seated at the National Convention. Why he did not penalize the leaders of the Florida State Democrat Committee instead. We, the voters in Florida will have the power in our hands to penalize Senator Obama and the NDC on the general election in November 2008, because Florida will be the State who will take the decision about which party will win the Presidency of our Nation. Today I perfectly knew who is the real Mr. Obama, when he and Dr Dean refused to allow the Florida delegates to be seated at the National Convention. Mr. Obama, no delegates seated, no votes for for you in November 2008.

Henry   March 6th, 2008 5:38 pm ET

The rules for Florida and Michigan were set before the process and the Clintons agreed. The Democratic National Committee should put a stop to the underhanded acts of the Clintons.

If the DCN allows the Clintons/Super Delagets to go against the will of the people I and many will change political parties.

Dmocratic National Commitee (DCN) needs to step in against the tactics of the Clinton Campaign. It is obvious the Clintons have no shame.

BS   March 6th, 2008 5:38 pm ET

You can't change the rules half way through the fight.

Is Carl Rove Hillary's campaign manager!!!!!

d   March 6th, 2008 5:38 pm ET

Being from Michigan, I know for a fact that our State cannot spare such an expense. I, being a taxpayer, do not want my taxes raised once again to have a "revote" period. Our Govenor KNEW this was against the DNC rules, and she went ahead with it anyways. Furthermore, the revoting for Michigan and Florida WAS NOT looked at until now???? Come on……………guess it will ALWAYS be dirty Politics as usual with these candidates.