March 6, 2008
Posted: 08:46 AM ET
 Michigan's Democratic Gov. Jennifer Granholm, shown in 2006, called for her state's delegates to be seated.
Michigan's Democratic Gov. Jennifer Granholm, shown in 2006, called for her state's delegates to be seated.

MIAMI, Florida (CNN) — Will the recount state become the re-primary state? And will voters in Michigan have their say in picking a Democratic candidate for president?

Political leaders from Florida and Michigan were busy Wednesday talking about plans to make sure that voters in their states are heard in picking a Democratic nominee.

The discussions unfolded amid a grueling, delegate-by-delegate fight between Sen. Hillary Clinton of New York and Sen. Barack Obama of Illinois.

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MI and FL Democratic party causes havoc   March 6th, 2008 1:36 pm ET

You blew it MI and FL. They need to fire all of the Democratic heads in that state for causing this fiasco. They knew the rules and ignored it anyway, at the expense of the other 48 states that followed the rules and at the expense of their own electorate. Why should these two rouge states be rewarded for cutting in line? Especially FL, which seems to be the hotbed of all the election troubles.

Lindsy, Pennsylvania   March 6th, 2008 1:31 pm ET

Please, let's look at the facts:

The Michigan legislation asked their State Supreme Court whether or not their decision to move the date of their primary ahead was constituionally legal The Michigan Supreme Court answered a resounding "YES": No conflict with Constitutional law.

Incredulous, the DNC disenfranchises the people of Michigan and Florida: the 'rules' of the DNC trump the voting rights of the people of Michigan and Florida.

The DNC has 470+ members — 270+ of whom are Super Delegates.

There are 700+ Super Delegates and a Democratic Presidential Super Delegates may prove to be the decisive factor in this contest between Clinton and Obama.

In support the DNC's (270+ of the 400+ members are Super Delegates) disenfrachisement, Obama VOLUNTARILY removes his name from the ballot in Michigan and abandons a campaign in Florida altogether because to compaign in Florida now would be a waste of campaign money.

We know that Obama supports disenfranchisement.

Maybe Obama doesn't care to articulate his message of Hope and Change to Floridans.

We're all Americans, Obama, Michiganders and Floridans included.

Decide for yourself: why would you want to elect someone to the Oval Office who wants to be there so badly he will step on anyone do so?

Cindy   March 6th, 2008 1:28 pm ET

As Howard Dean stated the chairman of DNC " We MUST STICK TO THE RULES", Florida and Michigan agreed to these rules a year and a half ago and by asking to change them now in midstream goes completely against what is FAIR and JUST!!!!

A process isn't fair if the agreed upon rules are allowed to be re-written after it is seen that such a move would favor one candidate over another— NOT FAIR PLAY!!!!!

I support and back Howard Dean's stance!!!!! All democrats should!

RULES CANNOT BE CHANGED MIDSTREAM, THAT'S ONLY FAIR!

Darth Vadik, CA   March 6th, 2008 1:26 pm ET

Be carefull what you wish for Governor, if you hold caucases in Michigan, which I think you should, Obama will take the Michigan delegates.

and the only reason Hillary won there the first time is because she and Dennis Kusinich were the only ones on the ballot, and a lot of Obama supporters didn't bother to vote.

You want a re-do, lets do it.

Randy - Denver   March 6th, 2008 1:25 pm ET

One final note, there is NO RIGHT TO VOTE IN A PRIMARY IN THE CONSTITUTION.

the parties ahve the right to select a candidate in ANY MANNER THEY CHOSE! There is NO requiremetn for them to run primaries, the parties do it for the money they raise. There are parties in the U.S. that appoint their candidate, take the green party and Mr. nader (whatever party he is running under) have there been primaries for them? Nope so you are NOT LOSING A RIGHT you are jsut not being included in the choosing method this time, maybe if the rules ahd been followed you could ahve had a voice, they were not followed you lost your voice take it up with your local party.

barry   March 6th, 2008 1:24 pm ET

as an executive rules were meant to be broken.. smart people figure out how to get the rules to work for them… but following principle as oppose to not allowing the peoples vote to count is wrong..thats not democracy…

Randy - Denver   March 6th, 2008 1:22 pm ET

Folks the DNC ASKED ALL the candidates to remove their names from the Michigan ballot, Ms. Clinton decided to ignore that rule. the only reason they were NOT asked to remove their names from the FL ballot is because Fl law does not allow that. To claim that this was a fair election in Fl. since both the names were on the ballot is typical Hillarythink, the fact is in EVERY STATE where Mr. Obama has actually campaigned he has gained signifianct numbers from before he started campaigning there. Why? Well I believve that when people actually hear him speak they forget the Clinton and news bias and see him for what he really is, my opinion only. But the fact is by allowing one candidate who has better name recognition to run and one who has no name recognition, other than hearsay, is not a fair process.

All that being said ethically the votes should not count and there should be no revote. The rules were set, all the parties agreed to them, FL and MI violated the rules they should pay the penalty. real simple next time maybe those two states should follow the rules.

Basquale   March 6th, 2008 1:21 pm ET

If those votes although Florida and Michigan violated the rules are going to be counted it will be the biggest dirty game in the American politics since years! And it will have a huge damage to the Democratic Party! This will be disgusting and shameful. Drop Florida and Michigan!!! You can't change the rules during the race. And those Governors have to be gotten out of office immediately! Dirty politics!

wlkrngwds in Michigan   March 6th, 2008 1:21 pm ET

Michigan and Florida knew the rules going in and broke them. They knew the consequences. They blew it …Stop whining. Seating the delegates is completely unfair to Mr Obama, he wasn't even on the ballot in MI. Let the system as planned work. If it's tied going into the convention, think about the TV ratings! Everyone will be watching!

Bill   March 6th, 2008 1:19 pm ET

What a great way for Hillary to steal a nomination. I said months ago this would come back to haunt the democrats.

Matt   March 6th, 2008 1:18 pm ET

How would including the votes when there was only one name on the ballot be fair? Anyone? You would have to re-hold elections in these states with BOTH names on the ballot.

Disenfranchising of Voters   March 6th, 2008 1:18 pm ET

I know CNN likes Senator Obama but perhaps they will think about posting this.

Please just keep in mind that Senator Clinton is the ONLY candidate who did not turn her back on the voters of Michigan by taking her name off the ballot. She left her name there and then Senator Obama followed her lead to leave his name on the Florida ballot.

He wants them disenfranchised and she does not….hasn't for a long time now……..since right after the voting……..he doesn't want their votes because he lost. In Florida, both names were on the ballot, millions turned out, I am sure millions watched his ads on CNN and other airwaves. The Florida voters are not nor were they stupid at the time of the voting.

It was Senator Clintons experience and savy that led her to the decision to leave her name on all the ballots, because I am convinced she was willing to go to bat for the voters no matter what. She fights for all no matter what the consequences. Senator Obama does not. He would rather they be disenfranchised.

Michigan voters of course had Senator Obama people there who told them to vote non-conformed which was a vote against Senator Clinton. His camp did quite a bit of campaigning in Michigan before the vote. Because it was not how he may not like to do campaigning, it was campaigning anyway.

So although perhaps Senator Obama could not have gone into these states and spent 4 times more money than Senator Clinton - I suspect the results may have been the same. I say let the votes stand as they are and if Senator Obama needed Senator Clinton to teach him the way, I guess the results are just part of his learning curve.

Tim   March 6th, 2008 1:06 pm ET

The problem is that if you let those states have a "do-over" is that Clinton will be able to come in and say,

"Hey, I'm the only candidate that stayed on the ballot the first time, so I'm the only one who cares about Florida and Michigan."

And sorry, but Americans are just stupid enough to buy it.

There' s no way to do a "do-over" without giving one candidate an advantage over the other.

Sorry Florida and Michigan. You knew the rules. You chose to break them. Maybe next election.

Michael from South Carolina   March 6th, 2008 1:06 pm ET

Barack supporters won't like this. I for one think they should count AS IS! Nobody campaigned in either state- that was fair. Michigan, Obama made another ROOKIE MISTAKE. YOU NEVER LEAVE YOUR NAME OFF OF A BALLOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE! They didn't agree to leave their names off the ballot, but Obama did for whatever "silly season" reason that might be.

If all of you complainers lived in either state you would want your votes to count and ANY who says they wouldn't is a LIAR!

Hillary won, but didn't win. That was a lose of momentum for her in key critcal states. Hillary DID NOT BREAK THE RULES BUT IS PAYING THE HIGHEST PENALTY OF ALL! If those states had counted then she would have went on to win some of the other states that Barak did, recieved many more endorsements and WE WOULDN'T even be here because the whole thing would be over by now. If you were Hillary you would be asking for the delgates to be seated. WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH THAT?

Lastly, if they count these, please don't get mad and go start a riot somewhere. Please?

Bison (Anchorage)   March 6th, 2008 1:06 pm ET

I can understand how Florida and Michigan voters are upset, but if the DNC goes back on the rules they established, chaos will ensue. MI anf FL were simply greedy. Those states wanted their primaries to be more "important." It is funny that if they had left them the way they were they would have been incredibly important.

And to those people who are arguing that they have a right to have their votes counted, you couldn't be more wrong. There is no constitutional right to vote in a primary.

Finally, the fact that hillary agreed to the rules, and couldn't have cared less about Florida and Michigan when she agreed to them, yet now wants the rules to change shows a lack of character. To anyone who acts like Hillary cares, you being fools. I would rather support a candidate who abides by the rules.

Beverly Williams   March 6th, 2008 1:05 pm ET

I'm from Michigan and Michigan didn't follow the rules. They don't deserve a say in who the Democratic nominee is.

Dennis   March 6th, 2008 1:02 pm ET

IS HOWARD DEAN SERIOUS??? THE SOLUTION IS SIMPLE!!! RUN THE PRIMARIES AGAIN!!! — NOT CAUCASES — PRIMARIES!! THEN BOTH OF THE CANDIDATES WILL NOT BE ABLE TO DISPUTE THE FINAL RESULTS. IF THIS DOES NOT HAPPEN WE WILL HAVE ANOTHER YEAR 2000 DEBACLE. WHAT WILL THE WORLD THINK OF US AGAIN?? THEY HAVE ALREADY HAD IT WITH G. W. BUSH. IF BARACK OBAMA IS SERIOUSLY INTERESTED IN CHANGING THINGS IN WASHINGTON, THEN HE WILL HAVE NO PROBLEM IN LETTING DEMOCRACY WORK BY LETTING THE PEOPLE
CHOOSE IN RE-RUN PRIMARIES.

HOWEVER, IT SEEMS THAT HE IS NOT ALL THAT HE SAYS HE IS AND IT ALSO SEEMS AS IF HE WANTS TO WIN AT ALL COSTS. — DID HE NOT BREAK THE RULES IN FLORIDA BY PLACING 2 ADS WHILE NO OTHER CANDIDATE WAS ACTIVELY CAMPAINING?? — ALL CANDIDATES WERE LISTED IN THE FLORIDA PRIMARY !!! — I WONDER IF HIS POSITION ON THE FLORIDA DELIGATES WOULD BE THE SAME IF THE SITUATION WERE REVERSED AND HILLARY CLINTON WAS IN THE LEAD. SHE WON BY 17% OVER OBAMA.

I AM SURE THAT HILLARY CLINTON ALTHOUGH HE WAS THE WINNER IN FLORIDA BUT DID NOT BREAK ANY RULES THERE WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF CLEARING UP THIS ISSUE. BUT HOWARD DEAN HAS ANOTHER SOLUTION — DIRECT THE SUPER DELEGATES TO SUPPORT BARACK OBAMA. LETS PAUSE HERE AND THINK ABOUT THIS !!! — HOWARD DEAN IS FROM VERMONT RIGHT!! VERMONT VOTED IN STRENGTH FOR OBAMA RIGHT!! IS HOWARD DEAN BEING OBJECTIVE WITH HIS SOLUTION TO THIS MESS??

eliz   March 6th, 2008 1:02 pm ET

Award the delegates?! Are you REWARDED for breaking rules you clearly understand? Do you reward your child for breaking rules they clearly understand? Think about it. There is right and there is wrong. Changing the rules just to benefit the Clintons or anyone is just plain WRONG. There was no talk of all this until the Clintons needed those delegates. DON'T BE FOOLED. The bad guys here are the leaders of the parties in Michigan and Florida…they should be fired. What the heck were they thinking when faced with purposefully "disenfranchising" voters?! They KNEW what the rules AND consequences were BEFORE they decided to move the dates up. Don't chastise the DNC…Howard Dean is right this time. You "disenfranchised" voters were screwed by your own state party leaders. And to top it off, these states want the DNC to PAY for their mistake?! This is amazing to watch…..

Obama supported the DNC rules and didn't even have his name on the ballot. Hillary KNEW this…had hers on there and got the votes. Talk about calculated stealing.

Funny how rules, laws, people don't matter when it comes to the Clintons achieving power. Pay attention people…. if she gets the nomination she will rule…and I MEAN rule…the country this way. That fake smile, tears, seeming concern for us is all smoke…. laws and rules don't matter to them if they get in their way of getting what they want. BIG OL RED FLAG HERE, PEOPLE

I am an undecided independent. Until Hillary gets the nomination. Then there is no question…I have to vote for McCain to save this country from four more years of destruction. The Clintons are angry evil calculating power hungry thieves. I cannot believe people don't see this.

Tim   March 6th, 2008 1:01 pm ET

I am absolutely DISGUSTED that the DNC is thinking of letting Florida and Michigan have "do-overs."

They were told BEFORE their primaries that if they didn't change, their delegates wouldn't count. They chose to break the rules anyway.

So what message does this send to candidates? To other states? "Don't like the way it turned out for you? Don't worry. We can do it again."

Absolutely disgusting.

walter McCullough   March 6th, 2008 1:01 pm ET

It seems America is no longer a country of laws and rules, the things that make it a democracy,. Instead it is becoming a country of Laws and rules breakers. The three branches of our government no longer work to our benefit, and, now Michigan and Florida want to lead the way in rules breaking.
what are our soldiers dying for?

DC   March 6th, 2008 1:00 pm ET

COUNT THE VOTES!!!!

Vig   March 6th, 2008 1:00 pm ET

Florida and Michigan voters should be outraged that their constitutional rights were denied them when their votes were considered moot. To penalize millions of voters because of the actions of a few morons is unAmerican. They should have figured out another way to enforce a rule - like a fine. Those votes should count.

Keith   March 6th, 2008 12:57 pm ET

To the person that wrote:

RULES ARE RULES!!!!!

RULES ARE RULES!!!!

RULES ARE RULE!!!!!!

RULES ARE RULES!!!!

RULES ARE RULES!!!!!

This does not appear to be very democratic to me. Flexibility is crucial.

James   March 6th, 2008 12:55 pm ET

FL - National ad played so he was not an unknown quantity. % of Clinton win was in proportion to the other states at that time. Obama was on the ballot.

MI - Obama not on the ballot. But how can you say he played by the rules of not campaigning win he and Edward's both with their supporters pushed very very hard for people to vote uncommitted to try to cut in to Clinton's win which was also in proportion of other states at that time. How can you say he did not campaign? Not for himself since he was not on the ballot but certainly against Clinton plain and simple.

NIC   March 6th, 2008 12:55 pm ET

CNN is funny, they wont allow certain posting on here. LOL. But, hey allow people to be crude and rude on here. They post some inappropriate messages that only disrespect and insult people, but they wont let you post something thats accourate and true. WOW CNN, when did you start blocking the truth? CNN = Big Brother. Good job guys, we know what your agenda is and where you lean.

Obama all the way....   March 6th, 2008 12:54 pm ET

YOU CAN"T CHANGE THE RULES AFTER THE GAME HAS BEEN PLAYED!!!!

Sounds like these idiots trained with Hillary on this!!!

The same people worried about this are the exact ones that screwed over their own voters by moving the Primaries up and not following the rules. They should have thought about their actions BEFORE they broke the rules.

It is too bad for the voters in those states…but they need to suck it up, live with it and not vote for these idiots that screwed them over when they are up for re-election!!! Their vote will count in the general election!

Case closed! Move on!!!

Wayne   March 6th, 2008 12:54 pm ET

to cnn editor: you just joined Fox, delete from computer, all TV channels

John in PA   March 6th, 2008 12:53 pm ET

How can any democratic candidate expect to win in November if the entire state of Florida (and Michigan!) is basically told "we don't want you"? Think about it. Those votes have to count. And shame on Obama for campaigning via the tv ads in Florida when he wasn't supposed to. That is cheating. He got his. He lost big in Florida. Now let those votes count. Seems like he will do anything to win.

Concerned Indepedent   March 6th, 2008 12:53 pm ET

So much for democracy working!

The governors of Florida and Michigan should tell the people of their states that they are to blame for this fiasco. They went and decided to change the rules a year ago before the primary/caucuses began. They knew what they were doing when they did it. The governors still haven't submitted a plan, within the guidelines defined by the DNC, to rectify this situation.

The fact that the Clinton campaign knew the rules, understood the rules, yet blatantly violated the rules, underscores the fact that they are politicians of the old guard. Had Sen. Edwards or Sen. Obama done something a dishonest as this, she would have sued them. I think it should be a hint of the audacity of her campaign, just because she was a first lady and her husband was a celebrated politician, doesn't mean that she is above the law. She doesn't have my vote.

andrewilson   March 6th, 2008 12:51 pm ET

well said vern ok let me get this right the market bleeds from Alabama that is the excuse ? but Floridians then did see the ads ? lol what a joke ..COUNT THE VOTES SIGN THE PETITON seatourdelegates.com ;no do overs!!!! in Florida or Michigan !!!people spoken and voted in record numbers count our vote or we will not vote in november!!HEY DNC what part of we voted for Hillary you can't understand?

Brianne   March 6th, 2008 12:47 pm ET

I am from Michigan and resent that they are trying to get that first vote to count. Many upon many people didn't even bother to vote since it wasn't going to count. I say hold a caucus or re-do the vote.

Paula, LA   March 6th, 2008 12:47 pm ET

I am a Democrat, who has not decided which candidate to support and so have no vested interest in the decision. However, changing the rules now, after both Michigan and Florida knew the consequences going in, would set a precedent that we don't want to set. If the delegates are seated, what is to stop other states, in the future, from moving up their primaries. Let's stick to the rules.

Mara   March 6th, 2008 12:46 pm ET

I'm not sure about how this process would work with Florida and Michigan. I do want to know if the total delegates from both states could be shaved off of the magic number of the 2,025 needed for the Democratic nomination. That way, there would be a new magic number and whichever candidate reaches that number first would get the nomination. Sure the people's vote should count in both those states, but because of the issues surrounding their primaries, the rest of the nation should be allowed to move forward without the process being any more costly.

Lydia   March 6th, 2008 12:45 pm ET

Florida Gov. Charlie Crist, a Republican and Michigan Gov. Jennifer Granholm, a Clinton supporter…. THAT says it all right there. Elections not going how they wish NOW they want to change the rules. They knew the rules going in so need to point the blame elsewhere (i.e., on themselves).

MIDDLE-GROUND   March 6th, 2008 12:45 pm ET

The solution is not "rocket science". The problem was created by politicians, not the voters (at least not directly). The most effective AND economical resolution is a) seat the equivalent number of "elected" delegates with 50% to each candidate; and b) DO NOT credential or seat super-delegates from either state (party leaders made the decision, they pay the price).

Also, GOP "unelected" delegates from both states should not be credentialed or seated.

Now, whether or not the DNC and the RNC have the "intestinal fortitude" to follow through is another issue.

Carlos E Matos   March 6th, 2008 12:45 pm ET

Save time and money. Seat the delegates awarding them equally 50 50. As in Texas, Hilary won't get more than that if new primaries are held. This is a win win win win win: FLorida, Michigan, CLinton, Obama, Dean.

Adam   March 6th, 2008 12:44 pm ET

Everyone seems to be missing the fact that even if there's a re-vote in Florida, a large group of people will still not have a say (the voters with no party affiliation). If there is a re-vote, it should be at least a semi-open primary so that people with no party affiliation can have their voice heard as far as who would be a better candidate.

Ted in Chicago   March 6th, 2008 12:43 pm ET

KINGS

Do you live in an alternative planet - or a bubble of self delusion

Sorry but watch the news - read the papers - BO has been winning the RED STATES and HRC has been winning the BLUE states all but IL –

Ohio and FL are key swing states and DEMS should want to run the person who does better there

RE FLORIDA what kind of DEM are you to say BUSH won there - no he did not - his lawyers and a bad court decision stole the election from Gore

Seems you decide something - somehow - then create facts that are wrong to back up opinions

You are not doing BO any favors

Elly   March 6th, 2008 12:43 pm ET

Seems like Charlie Crist has ulterior motives
Him backing John MCCain, it is to the republicans advantage if the results go to Hillary since she is the one they want to face in the general, because she is so disliked they feel they can beat her easily.
It also gives McCain an advantage to prepare for the general
dont be hood winked by Crist he has his own agenda and it was mostly his fault the primaries were moved up in the first place
to just let those votes count now would be UNFAIR!!!

teacher   March 6th, 2008 12:40 pm ET

Three weeks ago I would have been satisfied with Hillary being the person of choice if it came down to that. I would have supported her in the general election. However, with her behavior of negative attacks one after another on Obama she showed a different side. She showed me a side I do not like and as a result I have lost respect for her. If she does become the nominee I will vote for Mc Cain. I she and Obama in up on the same ticket and she is the on "Top" as she calls it. I will still vote for Mc Cain. If the Florida and Michigan vote are counted as is I will still for McCain.

As for the votes in Florida and Michigan the rules are the rules. They were put in place for a reason. If you are to break them The as a person who has voted for more than 25 years I don't think I can take part in any US. Election from here on. I have not forgotten the 2000 election we a few people handed over the nomination to GW. Bush. Look where we are today.

I would hate to have to try to explain to my students why the Democratic Party enforces rules and than broke the rules to their own game. Way to go, we are sending our youth and our young voters the wrong message.

The Clintons have been in bed with right people for years, little does Obama knows he does not stand a chance with WHITE AMERICA. In the eyes of those who are in charge he is no more than a shoe shinning cuffing…………………..

It is a sad thing, we have just handed McCain the next president seat. When it is all said and done many people are going to walk from this and not heal by the time the general election. Hilary going as negative as she did set the stage for John McCain, which is what she wanted. She figures because everyone allows her and her husband to do what they want Obama will be eliminated anyway. Why! Because WHITE AMERICA allows this type of behavior.

Lastly, to add I will start to planning as a demo crate to recruit other democrats to vote John McCain in the general election.

Ray   March 6th, 2008 12:40 pm ET

Florida and Michigan both States knew that by moving the dates they were going to be penalized. I understand that is not the people faults that cause the date to be moved, but at the same time that tells you a lot about the person or persons in charge of both States. It will be unconstitutional not to count all people vote is true, but it is also unconstitutional to do wrong or go against the law, and in this case that is what Florida and Michigan did, both States did not obey the rules.

tar   March 6th, 2008 12:40 pm ET

People lets ask ourselves why Sen. Hillary Clinton had her senior thesis at Wellesley College sealed? In the past 100 years all senior thesis's at Wellesley College have been made available except for Hillary Rodham Clinton. Also, how do Sen. Clinton go from the President of the Young Republican Organization at Wellesley College and an overwhelming supporter of Sen. Barry Goldwater, a known racist to an advocate of Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.? .

Will the real Hillary Clinton please stand up? People before you vote, ask yourself, what is Sen. Hiillary Rodham Clinton hiding and can she be trusted?

tar

Jose'   March 6th, 2008 12:40 pm ET

Nothing more fun than watching the democrat party implode!!

Gimme some popcorn and a beer. This is getting better every minute!!

Ted in Chicago   March 6th, 2008 12:39 pm ET

KINGS

ARE YOU KARL ROVE?

YOUR LOGIC I think - maybe not - is off

You note - Primary ….including Republican spoilers who want to see Clinton win the nomination because she'll be easy to beat against McCain….

HAS NOT EVERY SINGLE EXIT POLL BY EVERY NETWORK EVERY TIME SAID IINDEPENDENTS AND REPUBLICANS (CROSSOVERS) HAVE BEEN MAJORITY BO??

I MEAN EVERY TIME - some reps may have voted BO thinking HRC is the tougher - or some may have voted cause of the message

But bottom line Primairies - open to crossover - allow a party to grow and expand and not be dependent on the old insiders and power brokers and cronies to keep control (Primaries in Theory would be the exact thing BO would want - the new - the ability to take control from the old ways) AND indeed he - BO - does better in open Primaries then closed ones…

Personally I want Primary over Caucus (sp? ) it is hard for many regular people to understand or devote the time to caucus and are disenfranchised - this preference favors HRC

Personally - I want OPEN primaries - they are tainted by crossovers but they do allow a party to grow and be more inclusive - and invite new people in during pivotol years like this year - this preference favors BHO

So OPEN primaries might be the balanced way to go

Barb   March 6th, 2008 12:38 pm ET

Two things are obvious. First, Michigan and Florida voters have the right to have their voices heard. Secondly, the current results cannot be utilized and therefore another primary and/or caucus is necessary. Can't say I'd want to pay for it, I'm having a tough enough time paying for gas and food!

tar   March 6th, 2008 12:37 pm ET

Michigan and Florida both broke the rules and knew the consequences of their action, therefore they should not be seated. It was determined that the outcome of their primary races were not going to be counted before they had the election. If the democratic party seat those delegates, I will definitely have to rethink my party affiliation. Michigan and Florida can't expect to be rewarded for doing wrong.

tar

4Real   March 6th, 2008 12:37 pm ET

Stop giving the Clinton's what they want. If you thought about the People in Florida and Michigan you would have played by the rules. This is why this country is so screwed up now. We do one thing and say another. You choose to do something different so be it and live with it.

Carole   March 6th, 2008 12:36 pm ET

Everytime CNN does not print my comment it will enforce my resolve to vote for McCain if Obama gets in. When I see what you do let in as far as Hlllary bashing it is just plain bias.

Concerned   March 6th, 2008 12:34 pm ET

"…A Bag of Chips March 6th, 2008 11:50 am ET

I think the desire to have the Florida and Michigan delegates count would be genuine if it was requested a lot earlier; not when you find yourself behind and are trying to do anything to catch up!!! …"

You probably not aware of millions of letters and phone calls to DNC and other organizations from Fla voters demanding that the results of the primary was respected. FROM DAY ONE!!!

Lynne   March 6th, 2008 12:33 pm ET

Let's remember that the voters never agreed to these rules and penalties. This was done by party leaders and legislators. Clearly the voters felt strongly about casting their votes as more than FIVE MILLION PEOPLE turned out to vote in Florida and Michigan. While there may have been some who stayed home, a huge number of folks cast their vote for the candidate they wanted in Florida. In Michigan, only Hillary and Kucinich were on the ballot, but leaders there, like Cong. Conyers, pushed to have "uncommitted" successfully added to the ballot. Uncommitted received close to 40% of the vote, while Hillary received 60%, so clearly voters were aware of their choices and made them. The voters should not be penalized for the short-sighted decisions of the their leaders and the DNC/RNC. A revote seems unfair as it would result in FL and MI getting to vote twice. Obama and his supporters are understandably scared because counting the votes and seating the delegates would hurt him and he's realizing that if they had counted in the first place, his momentum and trajectory probably never would have happened. Count the votes and seat the delegates.

chris   March 6th, 2008 12:33 pm ET

Rules are rules, they knew over a year ago not to change their primaries but they did. If they seat these delegates the way the vote stands and not re-vote or allow for a caucus and those delegates go to her favor to win the nomination then i will not vote democrat but will vote for Mccain.

Obama 08′

IA   March 6th, 2008 12:33 pm ET

I believe the superdelegates shouldn't be seated for these states because alot of them were the one's that chose to move the primary when they were warned not to move it. But I believe the pledged delegates should count because the people of these states have the right to have their voices heard.

No reprimary, no recount. If you didn't vote-SHAME ON YOU! If you took your name off the ticket-it's your loss & stop crying about it.

Rose   March 6th, 2008 12:31 pm ET

Split the delegates 50/50 in Florida and Michigan. Save the millions of Dollars for a redo and help the people save their homes from foreclosure.

Ted in Chicago   March 6th, 2008 12:31 pm ET

JUAN

Bad Math on my part - My sense is BO will have one more or two more delegates from Texas then HRC

Gore vs Bush

Sorry but if you said Gore won that election - and you are an Obama supporter how do you justify saying BO wins TX

Answer - in good faith you can not

Don't lose Florida & Michigan   March 6th, 2008 12:29 pm ET

"A Bag of Chips March 6th, 2008 11:50 am ET

I think the desire to have the Florida and Michigan delegates count would be genuine if it was requested a lot earlier; not when you find yourself behind and are trying to do anything to catch up!!!"

It was requested a lot earlier - BEFORE Super Tuesday.

Nganenu   March 6th, 2008 12:29 pm ET

Wolf Blitzer's secret wish is out. When you listen to and watch the key man of The Situation …, there is no doubt that Clinton is his choice. The Michigan and Florida open defiance of the Democratic leadership, this journalist has brought up the issue of disfranchising Michigan and Florida Democrats. The balistic finger of the Governor was in fact suggested by Blitzer. Let Florida vote and Mr. Blitzer would have "voted" another Clinton for the White House. The Dobbs can happily join the chorus to make Mrs. Clinton's case. The Supreme Court and other money power did the same thing for Bush.
Simply put, you can not use bias method to sove a bias case. Michigan and Florida defied the rule. Dems going to the polls knew the sanction. They are to blame not those who respect the role.
You talk of cheap road to the White House. Take it Mrs Clinton
Nganenu

Eric   March 6th, 2008 12:28 pm ET

Florida and Michigan people would have to pay for this. Cause if anything they will have to redo everything. Can you guys afford a 2-4% tax increase on everything to pay for it? Not me

andrewilson   March 6th, 2008 12:28 pm ET

Rules ? who rules ? did the people who actually pay their salaries choose these rules? cmon lets get real we the people should decide and we overwhelmingly voted now if you want to extend the vote find but a total do over ? no !!simple; have those disenfranchising caucuses but the primary votes should stand it wasn't the people fault so we shouldn't have to pay for it !! the dnc pays for caucuses anyway and the dnc need to pay for the one in Michigan but the rnc have to pay for the one in Florida then that will give obama and Hillary a fair chance more obama but he did break the rules and had an ad out hillary did not .. but we all know hillary have more votes in florida but with the caucus ? that format favors obama that should work…all superdelegates should vote now !!!your sight should have a special (super delegates ballots )that's the problems make them commit!!! vote and there vote should be like anyone else's private then there is reduce pressure to follow the wave…then after June and if no one reaches the total delegates add the superdel bam!! whoever win is the president whoever comes in second have the right to be on the ticket or the right to decline…nobody noes who voted for who ?nobody gets hurt.

Chip   March 6th, 2008 12:28 pm ET

In a self-serving money-grabbing move, these states moved up their primaries in complete disregard of party rules. The penalties imposed were understood and appropriate. The voters of these states should direct their ire at their state party officials and these sorry governors are disingenuous in their pleadings now.

The facts please.   March 6th, 2008 12:27 pm ET

Everyone wants a fair process which plays by the rules. The fact is that Hillary may have won big states. The fact is that Obama won more states. The fact is that Obama has more delegates than Hillary. The fact is that Michigan and Florida cannot seat it's delegates. The fact is that if Hillary wins the remaining primaries, the way the delegates are partioned out Obama will still lead in delegates. The fact is that Obama will be the Democratic nominee. Just the facts folks. I know it hurts.

Pondering   March 6th, 2008 12:27 pm ET

The majority of the Hispanic vote is funny to me. Okay, Obama people want to move forward but the Hillary people are stuck in the past and want to stay stuck. If the Hispanics are stuck in the past with the Clintonites and the Republicans with Bush, then why do they risk their lives to leave their countries? They are stuck with rulers for 20, 30 and 50 years, I'd say that is stuck alright. So why bring the stuck in the past mentality to the American primaries/cacusus?? They could of stayed home with that stuck in the past stuff….just a thought, that's all.

Amy   March 6th, 2008 12:27 pm ET

I think the officials from Florida and Michigan who decided to go against the rules, and have early primaries are the ones who should pay for this chaos!!! Hold THEM accountable, and fire them! This is the craziest decision ever made.

Amy

Don't lose Florida & Michigan   March 6th, 2008 12:26 pm ET

The DNC have to do something because if they don't neither Clinton nor Obama will win those states in November.

davey   March 6th, 2008 12:26 pm ET

Maybe this is all about him losing in his bid 4 years back.
Howard dean is the one people should concentrating on.
He either needs to keep this party together, or get out of the way so
someone else can step in and unite us.
He can't just keep going on tv and saying - we did it to ourselves, nah nah nah, WE DID NOT. The voters had nothing to do with this.
Why not take away the superdelegate votes of the ones who ok'd moving the date, punish them.

anonymous   March 6th, 2008 12:26 pm ET

Laura and Deborah I totally agree with both of you. Obama has to release his records about Tony Rezko, but more than that why is he requesting for Hillary to disclose her records during her time in the White House? Has he had any experience in making foreign policy decisions unless of course he counts his vote against the war in Iraq as a foreign policy decision. What about his records while he was in the State Senate AND U.S. Senate? He was outraged when Hillary correctly stated that he has not held a single hearing. Well Obama people I think that being on the campaign trail should not withhold him from holding a hearing, and him not taking responsibility AND claiming that he was appointed in January of 2007 just before campaigning shows his lack of responsibility and how deeply he cares about our country. Thank you for wynning after you lost three states Senator Obama–is this how well you can attack Senator McCain in general election? If Obama is at the top of the ticket we will not see the white house for another 8 years. So, Obama supporters what will it be? Hillary or McCain?

Sweet P   March 6th, 2008 12:25 pm ET

Florida and Michnigan should not count. They knew what the consequences would be if they moved thier primary up earlier and yet they did it. My question is, why was there even an election, knowing that the votes would not be counted? I think it would be very unfair if the DNC allows those votes to count or even allow another primary. What lesson is being taught if they go back on their word? Being a high school teacher, I am constantly teaching my students that actions have consequences, what kind of message will I send if I don't follow through. It seems to me like the Republican govenors of those states are pushing for this because they know McCain can not beat Obama and so this will give Clinton the edge and she will be the nominee and they will win the white house again. As far as the voters in these two states feeling disenfranchised, blame that on your state, they are the ones who put you in this position. If the DNC seat those delegates, I believe our party will lose the white house in Nov and then we will have to endure 4 or 8 more years of the same old thing. Fair is fair and rules are rules. STICK TO THEM!!!!

anonymous   March 6th, 2008 12:25 pm ET

Laura and Deborah I totally agree with both of you. Obama has to release his records about Tony Rezko, but more than that why is he requesting for Hillary to disclose her records during her time in the White House? Has he had any experience in making foreign policy decisions unless of course he counts his vote against the war in Iraq as a foreign policy decision. What about his records while he was in the State Senate AND U.S. Senate? He was outraged when Hillary correctly stated that he has not held a single hearing. Well Obama people I think that being on the campaign trail should not withhold him from holding a hearing, and him not taking responsibility AND claiming that he was appointed in January of 2007 just before campaigning shows his lack of responsibility and how deeply he cares about our country. Thank you for wynning after you lost three states Senator Obama–is this how well you can attack Senator McCain in general election? If Obama is at the top of the ticket we will not see the white house for another 8 years. So, Obama supporters what will it be? Hillary or McCain?

Ruben Guzman   March 6th, 2008 12:24 pm ET

The vote stands as is….by my account. Mich. and Flor. voters have spoken just like every one has. I am sorry that the Obama camp does not like the out come, but there is no revoting because…. you don't like the outcome. If that is the case the Clinton camp would be requesting revotes in other States. No….the Mich. and Flor. counts stand as they are and when they are included then they count as they are. You say that Clinton was the only one on the ballot in Mich…….your are right. That ….I repeat… that is called Political Experience……and that is what she has been talking about all along…..Experience.!!!

William, Chicago IL   March 6th, 2008 12:23 pm ET

I'M DONE!

This all has become stupid. On one side we got George W. the third, and on the other we've got some elementary fight being played out to where either demorcrat is willing to stupidly tear down the other for the golden prize!

Why can't CLinton just state what she's good at and why she'd be a better president, and Obama do the same?

I mean she's changed her campaign slogan like 80 times. Obviously you were'nt ready on day one!!

+all of HER BS!

"ANy one who's ever faught hard for something and never quit, this is for you!"

"I'm honored by you" "Shame on you Obama"

"If we get any of the 4 primarys on Mar. 4th that means americans are having second thoughts"

give me a break! I mean you lost 11 straight states at one point!!
and don't even get me started on SNL.

And Obama, why do you keep buying into these silly political tactics, and then use them. Yeah, the same tactics you were so critical of???
hmm, I'll bet you want to debate again now that your on the flip side of things..

Americans aren't dumb. We pretty much know who we're gonna vote for. Because you send us a flyer in the mail, or publicy have a estrogen juiced tantrum on camera, or appear on SNL, or cry, or say your honored, or borrow lines from your friends/husbands, or get a "standing ovation" (the debate was concluding, people were not standing for her! stupid press) doesn't mean that we'll somehow become magically inlitend and vote 4 u! UGH..

Hans (Atlanta)   March 6th, 2008 12:23 pm ET

I lived in Florida all my life up until a year ago. I find it amusing that for at least 10 years now, Florida can not get an election right. I also find it amusing that Charlie Crist is the most outspoken person on this to seat the delegates. He's republican (possible ulterior motive?) and HE IS THE ONE WHO SIGNED THE BILL TO MOVE THE PRIMARY DATE. He says "common sense would dictate that every vote should count." Common sense would dictates to play by the rules. Why isn't anyone talking about this hipocracy?

People in Florida are complaining - it was the officials THEY elected who moved the date and caused this problem. If they want the delegates seated, stop whining and come up with a viable solution to revote for the canidates whether it be a primary or caucus that is fair to any and all canidates in the primary. If the tables were turned, Hillary would be screaming foul to try to seat the delegates without a revote.

Wayne, Greenville TX   March 6th, 2008 12:23 pm ET

laura March 6th, 2008 8:49 am ET

Florida and Michigan should have a mail in primary.

That makes sense. And since Clinton and Obama are the only candidates left, perhaps their campaigns could spilt the cost of a mail-in ballot in those two stateswith the DNC - each contributing one third.

In that way, the vote would be completely funded by Democrats, and the Republicans could not say that we're wasting taxpayer money.

David   March 6th, 2008 12:22 pm ET

they need to obey rules. that's the problem here. break rules and we go to jail. you made the rules so adhere to them. MI only had Clinton on ballot so those results are bogus.

butch   March 6th, 2008 12:21 pm ET

Go ahead Democrats, count Michigan and Florida, display your lack of integrity for your own self imposed rules. An organization that is not guided by a set of principles is destined to fail.

lb   March 6th, 2008 12:21 pm ET

For years the democrats worked to shake off the "touchy, feely" image. Finally the DNC showed some courage by warning these states of potential consequences should they violate the rules. Florida and Michigan chose to ignore the rules and now they are shouting "foul". If the DNC negotiates with these states, then all rules within the DNC are subject to challenge and once again the republican party can enjoy their ongoing sport of watching Democrats unseat themselves.

davey   March 6th, 2008 12:21 pm ET

That's catchy….billary, guess we'll have to start saying mobama too.
why not keep it to the issues and facts.
The only ones being punished in MI and FLA are the voters.
Punish the party boss's, not the voters.
Howard Dean is the real problem here….he should have had more insight
has this ever happened before….NO, Blame Howard Dean.
Is there a way we can impeach him as DNC, he is doing a lousy job.

Al C.   March 6th, 2008 12:21 pm ET

I absolutely think the votes should count, but it should be with a real vote. Obama wasn't on the ticket in Michigan and Florida was a beauty contest, they were both on the ticket, but neither campaigned there. Hold a primary like everyone else and see what happens.

sasha kando   March 6th, 2008 12:20 pm ET

Well governor Granholm, you played politics the way you govern. You tried to ensure your support of Hillary and ended up disenfranchising all of us!! You have also brought the state of MI down to its lowest level in decades. How can anyone trust you any more than we can trust Hillary? Thank god this is your final term. We need new leadership and that is not under Hillary. Both you and Hillary have inflicted more damage to the democrats than people will ever know. It's time for a change and that will be Obama.

Roger   March 6th, 2008 12:20 pm ET

Rules are rules and everyone knew the rules before voting began so I don't understand how anyone's vote is being left out. They went to the polling station knowing their vote didn't count and are now complaining about it after the vote. The candidates weren't involved in the states either aside from Hillary remaining on the Michigan ballot, probably for this very reason.

The rules were set along time ago and should be enforced as such. If Hillary keeps pushing this issue, it will push my vote away from here should she win the nomination because of it.

Kay   March 6th, 2008 12:20 pm ET

Florida and MIchigan elected to hold their primaries early knowing that they woudn't have delagates, but that public opinion might be changed by their election results. That was enough for these states when they made their decision. Senator Clinton potentially did much better on Super Tuesday because of these primaries influenced public opinion. Letting Florida and Michigan vote again with full delegates to be awarded would actually be unfair to the 48 other States who only can vote once.
Also just counting the held primaries would be unfair to Senator Obama, because he was the less well known candidate and had he campained in these states he would have done much better.
I am sure that Senator Obama would now do much better in Florida (and Michigan) since he is much better know and he would campain.

scott in bismarck   March 6th, 2008 12:19 pm ET

IF Obama was so concerned with the country over his ego, he would agree to be VP, discontinue the campaigning and cutting each other, and win this election. This is just seniority. He will be a shoe-in after eight years and be president for eight more. Sixteen years in the White House compared to possibly (or Not) four or eight! It will only work this way and he could come out "the better MAN."

truth   March 6th, 2008 12:19 pm ET

Iam a Floridian, and I did not go out to vote because they told us it would NOT COUNT….What about me and the thousands of people like me….HILARY did not when our state….I am ok with not seating those delegates…rules our rules…WE need to get rid of our Governor

nursevic   March 6th, 2008 12:18 pm ET

You can't disenfranchise two entire states just because the good old boys from the Democratic party conspire to prevent the people's voice from being heard. Clinton '08!

Lorraine   March 6th, 2008 12:16 pm ET

I voted in Florida, however, what Charlie Crist is not saying is that those who turned out to vote in Florida did so because of a property tax bill, which would lower the extremely high cost of property taxes across the state. That's why Florida voters turned out to vote in record numbers. I didn't even know the candidates would be on the ballot…so when I went to vote I didn't expect to vote for a presidential candidate. I had to just make up my mind on the spot. That is not fair to me as a voter or to the candidates. I also spoke to a friend on my way to vote and she said she was not going to vote because "our vote" didn't count.

I wish someone would answer this question for me…who made the decision to put the names of the candidates on the ballot if the votes did not count? And why was their only one name on the ballot in Michigan?

It would make sense NOT to put any names on the ballot if the votes would not count. If the DNC had ordered the states NOT to put the names of candidates on the ballot we would not be in this situation. Or if the states had used COMMON SENSE and NOT put the names on the ballot we would not be in this situation.

I'm just saying…

Rules are rules.....   March 6th, 2008 12:15 pm ET

So, I guess Senator Obama forgot about the rules of not misleading voters when he had his campaign officials do their thing in Canada? And if he didn't know about it - well - dang - how is he expecting to run more than a campaign?

And what about what he learned being a Constitutional Law Professor and all, and still voting for what he knew was wrong. Was there a broken rule there?

Oh ya, and Senator Obama's rules of fair play regarding his great deal on the house and his buddy of 17 years? Oh - those rules..

No one is above the rules for sure…….but when gross errors occur - the strong will stand up for what is the correct thing to do. In this case - don't disenfranchise the voters……let the votes stand.

Jose Card - Independent   March 6th, 2008 12:14 pm ET

It seems to me these Dems involved are very emotional people.
It's like parenting. Do not say you will give the kids certain punishment unless you can keep your words.

I cannot feel safe trusting my country to this bunch of emotional people. McCain has a temper but he has the character I can trust.

Anonymous   March 6th, 2008 12:13 pm ET

Isn't it strange that the Florida Republicans including the Govenor pushed and signed the legislation to move the Primary up, with the full Knowledge that the Delegates would not be counted (Democrats) only (50 % Reps). I've seen this before "2000 Gore". Yet the say redo, the 18 million could better be used by education and health care in the State.which has decreased funding for these social services. Rules are Rulesand should not changed for political expedience. I believe that Michigan & Florida should not count and that the Candidate with the most pledged delegates should be the Democratic Party's nominee and then send the Florida and Michigan delegates to the convention to be heard. Right is Right & Fair is Fair

Jayne   March 6th, 2008 12:13 pm ET

Rules don't mean anything to the corrupt Clintons, this plan to another primary is her doing, she will do anything to win. She thinks she is entitled, therefore she can change the rules to suit her. I live in Fl and I will protest to the end about this. The rules were made by Hillarys own party, so get over it. The woman is hiding so much in her records, i say she should be forced to reveal so the world gets to know the REAL hillary, evil corrupt, phony, she wants to be another Chevez.

Kathryn Irby   March 6th, 2008 12:13 pm ET

Those delegates SHOULD be seated!

Carlos E Matos   March 6th, 2008 12:12 pm ET

The simplest and least expensive solution is to split the delegates 50 50 and allow them to be seated. Clinton supporters may initially claim that that is not fair because they believe their candidate won more delegates, but there actually was not a contest. Additionally, the way things are progressing, to have a real contest and a vote today would allow Barack to catch and eclipse Hillary as he did in Texas. So the Clinton Camp is better off splitting the delegates.
It may not be reported, but I believe that Obama will win the delegate count in Texas.

Austin   March 6th, 2008 12:12 pm ET

I agree w/ Mark , and AJ, IL and disagree w/ CG News and Jed in Texas. It's the type of politics and thinking that will never go away or improve unless you make a change. As for the primaries Howard Dean said it best on all the news shows this morning. They new the rules a year and half ago and decided this year not to abide by it. They are trying to use the media to spin it that the DNC is bad but Ohio, TX, and PA didn't move their primaries so why did Michigan and Florida. We teach our children you have to abide by the rules. You can't just make them up as you go along. An by the way Florida disenfranchised voter if you tell me that my votes not going to count then I'm not going to vote. In Michigan Obama's name wasn't even on the ballot.

justobserve   March 6th, 2008 12:11 pm ET

Daisy, Bill & Hill are a disgrace to the Democratic party with their scandal-prone presidency. Now they want a third term presidency against the constitution. Go figure!

Paul Ahrens   March 6th, 2008 12:11 pm ET

Unless our delegates are seated, Florida will remove the Democratic nominee from the ticket in November. Michigan should consider that too.

Enrique   March 6th, 2008 12:10 pm ET

Michigan and Florida should not be seated, the states broke the Democratic rules and did that knowingly. Why is it that when it is convenient in this country to make adjustments in laws and rules for the wealthy and powerful it is ok. If the people of Florida and Michigan are upset then they should elect different political officials to run their state from top to bottom, because it is partially their fault very electing these idiots.

Disenfranchising voters.......   March 6th, 2008 12:09 pm ET

Please just keep in mind that Senator Clinton is the ONLY candidate who did not turn her back on the voters of Michigan by taking her name off the ballot. She left her name there and then Senator Obama followed her lead to leave his name on the Florida ballot.

He wants them disenfranchised and she does not….hasn't for a long time now……..since right after the voting……..he doesn't want their votes because he lost. In Florida, both names were on the ballot, millions turned out, I am sure millions watched his ads on CNN and other airwaves. The Florida voters are not nor were they stupid at the time of the voting.

It was Senator Clintons experience and savy that led her to the decision to leave her name on all the ballots, because I am convinced she was willing to go to bat for the voters no matter what. She fights for all no matter what the consequences. Senator Obama does not. He would rather they be disenfranchised.

Michigan voters of course had Senator Obama people there who told them to vote non-conformed which was a vote against Senator Clinton. His camp did quite a bit of campaigning in Michigan before the vote. Because it was not how he may not like to do campaigning, it was campaigning anyway.

So although perhaps Senator Obama could not have gone into these states and spent 4 times more money than Senator Clinton - I suspect the results may have been the same. I say let the votes stand as they are and if Senator Obama needed Senator Clinton to teach him the way, I guess the results are just part of his learning curve.

hari   March 6th, 2008 12:08 pm ET

if they vote again, it should be a primary & not caucuses. Texas results clearly shows that caucuses are not reflecting the true picture.

justobserve   March 6th, 2008 12:07 pm ET

What is this about counting the votes when all the candidates knew that they will not be counted? Did Billary plan ahead to fight to get those votes counted after other candidates followed the rules and didn 't campaign there? It should be : either they are not counted or a revote is required.

Channell   March 6th, 2008 12:06 pm ET

Way to cheat DNC. Hip, Hip Hooray for the USA!

Floridians and Michigan voters need to blame their officials for not following the rules and not the DNC…but we obviously live in a world where rules mean nothing and anything goes.

What a joke!

KJ, CA   March 6th, 2008 12:06 pm ET

Obama did not run ads in Florida - they were market bleed overs from Alabama and Georgia.

suzy   March 6th, 2008 12:04 pm ET

THE CLINTON CAMPAIGN IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS REQUEST FOR VOTERS OF FLORIDA AND MICHIGAN WANTING THERE VOTES TO BE COUNTED. THIS IS COMING DIRECTLY FROM THE STATES AND THE VOTERS OF THOSE STATES. MANY PETITIONS HAVE BBEN FILED BY GROUPS ACROSS FLORIDA.
DON'T BLAME THE CLINTON CAMP FOR THIS - EVEN IF IT DOES FAVOR HER. OF COURSE I KNOW THAT'S A LOT TO ASK FROM SOME OF YOU.

Desiree   March 6th, 2008 12:04 pm ET

You can not punish the people of Florida & Michigan for something that the admistration did. The more than 5 million people in those states are not responsible for changing the date. The states have agreed to hold another election I say let the people vote and be heard what is any one afraid of, the state of Michigan did not have Sen Obama's name on the ballot so it is clear that they should have a revote. A caucus does not allow everyone to be heard, there are no absentee ballots in a caucus for the people who are unable to attend due to medical problems, serving in the war or other reasons. If those delegates are not seated I thiink Florida and Michigan should leave the democrat off the November ballots. Rules are made to be broken, if this country followed the rules we would still be paying taxes to England. For a canidate to run on a change platform and then insist on staying to the rules is nonsense.

denise   March 6th, 2008 12:03 pm ET

One more comment. The delegate numbers were worked over 2-3 times in each ones favors by CNN….without Michigan and Florida, neither one of them can win…THEY BOTH FALL SHORT OF THE 2025 delegates. We have no choice.

To Tim in Boston   March 6th, 2008 12:03 pm ET

Tim in Boston,

I am glad to know i was not the only one expecting the 'staged and fake terrorist attacks' to suddenly start once McCain was the nominee.

Nothing works to get votes more than fear in America. I have never seen a country with such a brave military and yet cowardly electorate as ours. Fear works all the time.

The Clinton's are so manipulative. Florida and Michigan broke the rules, and yet do not want to pay the price. The Dems would be setting a really bad precedent by even allowing those states to vote again.
Sen Clinton, Edward, and Obama, agreed not to participate in those states, yet Sen Clinton wants us to forget that she signed an agreement. Are people so easily fooled?

For us, rules are rules.
For the Clintons, rules are made to be broken. That is their life testimony and Americans are falling for it, YET AGAIN.

Yes, BRAVE MILITARY, Cowardly electorate! What a shame.

Sarah L, Fayetteville, AR   March 6th, 2008 12:01 pm ET

MIchigan should have another primary or caucus and the original results should not count.

Florida's delegation should be split with 35%-40% allotted for the original results. The remainder of the delegates should be apportioned on the basis of a new caucus.

Everyone could stop their complaining. However, personally, I believe that a new primary would be the most fair. Everyone could vote a second time. No one would be denied the right to vote for any reason.

Polly   March 6th, 2008 12:00 pm ET

I am unclear as to why CNN keeps stirring this issue. I realize that the Clinton Clan would benefit the most, however, all states agreed on the rules and they have to abide by those they agree to. Now, given that Hillary agrees to one thing and says one thing one day and that later if that which she agreed to does not benefit her, then she immediately complains and says rules and agreements do not apply _ why do we all have to follow her way of doign things, which is not different from what Bush has been doing?

I would say send your letters to the DNC_ or the DNC should put out for the whole country to see, what was agreed upon, and WHO agreed to it..

dj   March 6th, 2008 11:57 am ET

ok first of all this is about HILLARY!!! not Bill. However, all of you complaing about Bill. Your life and mine was alot happy and easier when Bill was in office.. From taxes to jobs to family life.. NO ONE can ever dispute that..!!!!!!!!
Hillary is not Bill. All need to get a clue on that. Even the Media.
They pick on Hillary because of Bill. HELLO!!! Hill is not Bill.

vern in Mi.   March 6th, 2008 11:57 am ET

obama says he's a canidate of change . that the old politics should end . then if he truly belives this he should at least argue on floridas voters behalf . after all he did campainge by running his ad in florida .
all canidates were on the ballot . so basicly his voice was not silenced . yet, he want's thier's to be !

Paul TX   March 6th, 2008 11:56 am ET

Most of the people that do not want Florida and Michigan votes to count are Obama supporters. Hillary won both Michigan and Florida and they know that if the delegates were counted then that would put Hillary in the lead again. They are scared to have their votes counted.

People must realize that by NOT allowing these votes to count, you are denying the people in these states their right to vote. The only option is to allow their votes to count. I am a democrat and believe the DNC should pay for the re-vote. How can a group deny peoples right to vote. That is ridiculous.

Anyone saying no seriously needs to read the Constitution.

chris jones, cedar rapids, iowa   March 6th, 2008 11:56 am ET

Is this what we can expect from a democratic candidate? If you can't win..cheat? Suddenly my vision is of one of these governors giving a wrapped lollypop to a baby and then seeing the baby tear off the wrapper and find the flavor they want they rip it right out of the kids hands. If the democrates want to show the country how they will govern then try sticking to the rules. I can't believe the people of Michigan and Florida aren't kicking these two buzzards out of the governors offices after this sort of nation wide sit-com.

Bewitched   March 6th, 2008 11:56 am ET

Are you guys totally pro Billary CNN?

Bob, Lyons Oregon   March 6th, 2008 11:56 am ET

Florida and Michagan don't have anyone to blame but themselves for not telling their party officials, not to go against the rules that were set up. In order to be fair to both, they should split the delegates in half, in both states, half to Obama, and half to clinton since there was not any campaigning done in either state. Clinton didn't follow the rules in this issue either. Clinton has an unfair advantage because of her name. Obama was not known very well at the time, and his name was not even on the ballot. In order to be fair, there should be a new primary or caucus, giving both candidates time to campaign in both states.

denise   March 6th, 2008 11:55 am ET

Thank you Mark for your comment….That is the point that everyone is missing….The DNC objected and it was the republican governor and his cohorts that changed the date…it didn't hurt the republicans at all…they had no rules on this. It was deliberately done to screw up the democrats.
Again…remember the track record ….Florida is a Republican run state.

CB   March 6th, 2008 11:55 am ET

It's ridiculous that Howard Deen is going to make the states pay for a revote! They are saying the revote could cost up to 25 milllion or more.

I think that money could be spent on something else better than a revote. Like healthcare, feeding the homeless, etcc.. Anyone else with me?

Bill W - PA   March 6th, 2008 11:55 am ET

Next year, PA should thumb thiern ose at the party, too, and jump ahead and vote first, ahead of Iowa. I'm sick of casting a meaningless vote. When the races is decided, they tell us that we will be the deciders in a close race. Now the race is close, and they want to move 2 states ahead of us. How about the system work the way it is supposed to, just once?

Valerie   March 6th, 2008 11:55 am ET

I doubt this comment makes the cut, since my last three attempts failed. But this is fun anyway!

To all Obama supporters pushing the whole angle of "WHERE ARE YOUR TAX RETURNS AND WHITEHOUSE DOCUMNTS?"

GIVE ME A BREAK! What a complete bunch of jokers you are, including your ringleader OB. Is this the best you have got? What exactly are you hoping to gain from this fishing expedition? This is starting to get comical! A scant amount of pressure on OB and he starts crying, all the while accusing Clinton of being the one going negative.

I breathed a long but joyful sigh of relief after Tuesday night when at last, common sense prevailed in Ohio, Texas, and Rhode Island. FIGHT ON HILLARY!! You are fighting for us and we appreciate all that you have endured.

Allen   March 6th, 2008 11:54 am ET

Cnn… your moderators are just as crooked…. Why have a place to voice your opinion… When your opinion is being ingnored… Just as the americans are being ignored by the powerful… I've been an avid follower of CNN. But I'm losing faith in you guys to…. Perhaps you'll get you clinton in the whitehouse against peoples vote…. You guys are a piece of work….

AMEN Bewitched…. You tell them…

Valerie   March 6th, 2008 11:53 am ET

I doubt this comment makes the cut, since my last three attempts failed. But this is fun anyway!

To all Obama supporters pushing the whole angle of "WHERE ARE YOUR TAX RETURNS AND WHITEHOUSE DOCUMNTS?"

GIVE ME A BREAK! What a complete bunch of jokers you are, including your ringleader OB. Is this the best you have got? What exactly are you hoping to gain from this fishing expedition? This is starting to get comical! A scant amount of pressure on OB and he starts crying, all the while accusing Clinton of being the one going negative.

I breathed a long but joyful sigh of relief after Tuesday night when at last, common sense prevailed in Ohio, Texas, and Rhode Island. FIGHT ON HILLARY!! You are fighting for us and we appreciate all that you have endured.

Dee from Florida   March 6th, 2008 11:52 am ET

Rose, the ads that ran in Florida were ads from the Obama camp. They were national ads that ran in Florida. They ran all the time… I can't remember how many times I myself saw them on t.v.

Point is, if there was to be no campaigning in Florida, yet whenever I turned on the t.v. I saw Obama ads running - to me that is campaigning. Edwards wasn't running ads, Clinton wasn't running ads…..

A lot of people I know who voted and are now being told their vote will not be counted are upset to the point to where they are considering voting Republican - no matter who the Democratic nominee is. I'm not saying that is right but thats the buzz I am hearing where I live.

Pam   March 6th, 2008 11:52 am ET

I am concerned about the message to society that teaches one to break ta rule or law, because it can always be changed in your favor after the fact.

Policy makers shake their head at the difficulties with enforcing laws equitably. Perhaps it is those that follow the rules that suffer most in our society.

I am disturbed, not by this as a political issue, but as a moral issue.

SR in TX   March 6th, 2008 11:52 am ET

To: CG News

"YOU GOTTA BE KIDDING???? Obama/Edwards ticket!?? Talk about losing the White House! Neither one of those guys are qualified. And that's not a ticket that will win against the old geezer. Get real people.
"

So are you saying the last 7 yrs has been a demonstration of qualifications? If so, I'll vote for Obama/Edwards ticket without question.

Decline to State - San Francisco   March 6th, 2008 11:52 am ET

Question: What about being fair to Edwards and the other candidates who were in the race for Florida and Michigan? What if one of them had done well in one or both of those states? Would the dynamics have changed? There is no way to turn back the clock and be absolutely fair.

Bewitched   March 6th, 2008 11:52 am ET

Cnn… your moderators are just as crooked…. Why have a place to voice your opinion… When your opinion is being ingnored… Just as the americans are being ignored by the powerful… I've been an avid follower of CNN. But I'm losing faith in you guys to…. Perhaps you'll get you clinton in the whitehouse against peoples vote…. You guys are a piece of work….

Keith P. CA   March 6th, 2008 11:52 am ET

Here we go again… If I am not mistaken Florida once again not playing by the rules. Hanging Chads anyone? Florida, you cheated to put Elmer Fudd in office, now you want to cheat for Hillary.

Get a grip, play by the rules!

Obama 08

Chris   March 6th, 2008 11:51 am ET

The only thing I do not understand is that Clinton put out there she is willing to compromise or talk about it… According to all of you she is evil and the worst thing for this country… Obama claims to be different and a uniter… Why does he not want to unite the party and win the White House??? It is obvious that neither he nor Clinton will win this with out the other one dropping out… Democratic Party has really created a mess here because the longer this goes on it is going to cause a split in the party… All ready in the blogs threats of not voting are being posted!!!

A Bag of Chips   March 6th, 2008 11:50 am ET

I think the desire to have the Florida and Michigan delegates count would be genuine if it was requested a lot earlier; not when you find yourself behind and are trying to do anything to catch up!!!

Grif   March 6th, 2008 11:48 am ET

It all depends on who supports, Who!

Why all the complaining, Everybody has a reason for doing, or undoing The's Delegates…

Tell the truth… Obama supporters, Your frightened you'll lose now.

Hillary has got the momentum!!! Nothing to do with Taxpayers….

Really.

Mike, Arkansas   March 6th, 2008 11:48 am ET

CG News… Hillary cannot win on a ticket when she has too much scandals in her past and present that will come out in a real election. ON top of that she cannot handle any negativity toward her or to lose a little bit. She gets very bitter. Her smear tatics and her making up of things to hurt someones reputation with lies is going to turn more and more people off. She will end up on the Republican McCain level (since many are wanting to end the Republican rule after the Bush Reign) IT will be more even.. vs Obama that has more of a clean slate. She has pages upon pages of scandals, yet Obama has none. Edwards is a good hearted guy. He can do alot of good as a VP. McCain will be seen as OLD compared to Obama Vs.. Clinton. When you weight the positives and negatives of both Democrats running Vs McCain/Bush supporter… you will have more positives with Obama/Edwards.

SORRY!

GO OBAMA!!

Patrick, Baltimore, MD   March 6th, 2008 11:47 am ET

Revote

It's the only way to make it a fair process.

Bewitched   March 6th, 2008 11:46 am ET

To me I don't understand the delegates/Superdelegates… These peoples votes should not be more important that the average americans vote.The states that the superdelegates are from should vote the way the people of the state they are from… This seems to be a election thats going to be another not what the people wants situation… Why are we voting? If it's not counting…..

Kathy   March 6th, 2008 11:46 am ET

Does anyone else find it a bit hypocritical that Obama supporters are saying "rules is rules" in terms of the primary (since it would give Hilary an edge) but trying to change the rules of the superdelegates by saying they should follow the popular vote, which is not their job? Does anyone else find it disturbing that black superdelegates are reporting that they are being strong-armed into voting for Obama when race should not be an issue in this campaign? Does anyone believe that Obama wouldn't be screaming to have those FL and MI delegates counted if he had won?

Val in PA   March 6th, 2008 11:45 am ET

First, these govenors agreed to this arrangement. So, the people of their respective states need to remember that come time to re-elect them. Secondly, because of these two states agreeing to be penalized if they moved their primary dates (which was originally March 4th) candidates campaigned differently than the would have. I do not believe the DNC should have to foot the bill of another primary or caucus, the DNC did exactly what it said it would. Unfortunately, these govenors cannot say the same. Finally, I find it hard to believe the people of the state are asking for delegates, most people don't even know about delegates. Florida and Michigan being omitted from the process is no different than when the primaries end early and remaining states don't participate. If they repeat these primaries or caucus in these states, I believe it would be unconstitutional, especially Michigan which elected to put only one candidate on the ballot, thereby tainting the process. They should not be included this term.

Sandy   March 6th, 2008 11:45 am ET

Florida especially should not have to re-vote, Clinton and Obama's names were both on the ballot. I also feel Michigan should not have to re-vote, after all Obama chose to remove his name from the ballot himself and ask the people who wanted to vote for him to vote uncommitted. Excuse me, they voted and chose Clinton.

It's not right that some party bosses in Washington decides who votes when. We are the taxpayers and we all deserve our say, its time the government and the media listens to the people.

denise   March 6th, 2008 11:45 am ET

It was a republican that changed the date in the first place….why am I not surprised ! I think with the track record of the republican stunts pulled in Florida during any election would, in itself, justify a re do for the democrats. I say …enough of the republican snakes and their voodoo.

Wes Richter   March 6th, 2008 11:45 am ET

These candidates have raised how much money to buy the White House??? I say let them come to florida and buy our revote…I feel like my vote doesn't count, and I know many people tha