March 9, 2008
Posted: March 9th, 2008 03:04 PM ET

(CNN) – Hillary Clinton’s campaign responded Sunday to charges from rival Barack Obama that the New York senator “flip-flopped” on the issue of torture during her presidential campaign, saying she held strong positions against its use by government officials.

When President Bush vetoed a bill Saturday that would have prohibited the CIA from using harsh interrogation techniques, Obama used the occasion to criticize his Democratic presidential opponent.

"We need a Commander in Chief who has never wavered on whether or not it is acceptable for America to torture, because it is never acceptable,” said Obama. “While I have consistently opposed torture, in the course of this primary campaign Hillary Clinton has flip-flopped from her past position of tolerating torture. …

“When I am president, the American people and the world will be able to trust that I will outlaw torture, because unlike Senator Clinton I have never made an exception for torture and I never will."

Obama was making a reference to Clinton’s decision late last year to rule out any use of these techniques in interrogations, after a meting with a group of retired generals who opposed their use. Earlier, Clinton had said they might be an option if authorities suspected their use might help prevent an imminent attack – a position that was also held by her husband, former President Bill Clinton.

The Clinton campaign responded with a statement that said her “strong position opposing torture” had led to her endorsement by Gen. Antonio Taguba, who wrote the official report on the military’s Abu Ghraib scandal.

The release also included an excerpt of a recent letter Senator Clinton sent to President Bush in which she said strong opposition to torture was essential.

“I believe, as do the military leaders I have consulted, that any sign of wavering on this issue by the Commander-in-Chief ‘will drop down the chain of command like a stone, and the rare exception will fast become the rule,’” she wrote.

–CNN Associate Political Editor Rebecca Sinderbrand

Filed under: Barack Obama • Hillary Clinton


Randle Bate   March 9th, 2008 8:20 pm ET

Hillary Clinton gives monsters a bad name.

allxdreamer   March 9th, 2008 8:17 pm ET

I hear all the time that the democrats are making each other look bad but I think the republican party looks worse of all. There is not way John MCCain can beat Hillary. I look at John McCain and I don't know if the republican party can see it for just don't care, but John McCain is in bad shape. This man has started to look and act his age. The pressure is on and he doesn't look like he will be able to take this kind of pressure at his age and health. IT IS NOT WAY HILLARY WILL NOT BEAT JOHN MCCAIN. I wonder if McCain's mental status is taking the toll like his physical health has. I like John McCain, and five, ten years ago he would have been competition for any candidate. But now, he just needs to get somewhere and sit down. He is like when Bob Doyle tried to run at seventy yrs old and lost. No body wants someone who is seventy years old as president. Let's face it, at seventy years old, your mind is not as fresh and quick as it was when you are younger and we are talking the most important job in the USA, the COMMANDER AND CHIEF. With lots of love to John McCain, please withdraw. It comes a time in all of our lives when we know we need to retire. It looks like it is his time now. I know the truth hurts, and I am sorry. The republican party should have let Hucklebee have the nomination. HE would have been competition. We all liked Hucklebee and he had the ability and qualities to run. But John McCain is no competition for Hillary.

narcis   March 9th, 2008 8:16 pm ET

They are both pro death penalty so where are they talking about?

Mike   March 9th, 2008 8:10 pm ET

Vote Obama???

your comment is beyond words... everything you noted goes right back to the fact that Obama has little experience... I live in IL and it is sad that he is saying that his "present" vote is strategy... and he thinks that he has good judgement because he was not in the Senate during 911... to say he would vote against the war??? At that time I believe over 70% of the population wanted to go to war especially any Senator from New York...

I sure would have loved to been in a room with you right after the towers fell... I am pretty sure at that moment Obama and his supporters were thinking that I knew it was going to happen sooner or later... Oh Well!!!

Arthur-Texas   March 9th, 2008 8:08 pm ET

Obama is getting more desparate evey day.His campaign is falling apart so he is making charges that are way out in left field.
If I were he,I would not bring up issues of national security or defense becuase he cannot come close to matching Hillarys experience or knowledge.

Dcruz   March 9th, 2008 8:06 pm ET

Its ironic that we accuse the Clinton campaign of flip flopping but yet no one knows what the Obama campaign has been up to. He preaches transparency but yet no outline the the " change" he intends. He has not had a good voting record, he was against the war but yet he voted to fund it. Obama needs to do more work than talk. When Bill Clinton took office, the economy was at its peak in this country, then what happened? We made the wrong choice. Do we want to make that mistake again? Should we listen to one who talks a lot or the one who has more knowledge and experience in the senate seat. One last thing, the obama campaign accused Hilary Clinton of bad judgement, how about his judgement ? We dont know his judgement. I feel that he does not have the proper judgement to be Commander in chief. We the people of the United States of America must be wise and cautious with the choice that we make. Everyone should vote.

Charlotte   March 9th, 2008 8:04 pm ET

I hate to tell you Obama-bots this, but the Superdelegates will most likely determine the outcome of this election. With that in mind, they must look at which candidate won what states. They have no choice but to look at the states that are most likely to vote for a democrat and the ones that most likely go to the Republicans in November. Since Obama has not won a large democratic state, they will have no choice but to consider this in their decision. There are RED and BLUE states and that's a fact. JFK lost the popular vote but won the election, because he carried the BIG BLUE states. Hope you guys are at least prepared for the possibility

Judy   March 9th, 2008 8:04 pm ET

Once again Hillary wants it both ways,. Can she ever take a stand and stick with it,, She mocks Obama being an inspirational leader because she can't inspire anyone. And when is Hillary going to release her tax returns and foundation documents and other archives from the White House. Is it "soon" yet? She is a secretive candidate, was a secretive First Lady and don't kid yourself supporters that she won't be a secretive president,. we have one of those now and she apparently agrees with him on torture.

Nikole   March 9th, 2008 8:03 pm ET

Why is it ok to change your mind about torture? You are either for it, or against it. And saying you are "for some of it" and then changing to against it when running for President is NOT acceptable.

Randle Bate   March 9th, 2008 8:01 pm ET

Now we see that calling Hillary a monster was in fact a compliment.

narcis   March 9th, 2008 8:01 pm ET

Isn't Obama Pro Death penalty?Is he aware how many Innocent people are prosecuted in this process and according statistics most African American?
What about his mission to United THe World If his party is falling apart in this process.
And his refusal for the possibility to work together I don't read that as person how is capable to united people.

allxdreamer   March 9th, 2008 8:00 pm ET

M. S. Indiana: The only torture going on is Obama torturing Hillary by sending his senior advisor to other countries and calling poor Hillary a Monster! Then Obama blames Hillary for negative ads costing him votes. When the truth is the Obama campaign lost voters due to his own campaign; like when top advisor went to Canada and said Obama wasn't really against Nafta after they said he was.... and after Obama' Sr. advisor told the paper that she doubt if Obama would withdraw the troops like he had promised... and called Hillary a monster. The only negative going around is from the Obama campaign. Just like this supporter M.S. INdiana is taking about the Clintons torturing ppl. What the world is that? What levels the Obama campaign and supporters won't go to win is amazing. Obama is always talking about Hillary. Because he is scared to talk issues because everytime he does, like the Nafta and bringing the troops home, he is caught in a lie. So he is trying to brainwash the ppl into voting for him by trying to ruin Hillary's character. Talk issues Obama! Stop talking about what happened to you, or about Hillary and talk Issues. Hillary talks issues. There is a reason why Obama is not talking issues. Because the issues were discussed in Chicage before he ran for President by a few ppl. But he is not running for President of Chicago, or Africa, or wherever, he is running for President for all the ppl in the United states. So talk issues. The more Obama talks issues the more he gets caught in lies. Hillary is for all Americans. She is the answer to our economic trouble and ending the war in Iraq. Vote for Hillary!

onenibble   March 9th, 2008 8:00 pm ET

Of course Hillary is against torture. There are other ways to achieve the same results such as a long winded speech after a primary by Obama.

Mike   March 9th, 2008 7:59 pm ET

Obama you need to focus on real issues... You lost my vote last week when you started acting like every other politician... I can not believe you question NY Senator Clinton about her vote to go to war... It is obvious that you have no military background... I guess it depends on what you consider torture...

All I know is that its "torture" reading this story and all of these blogs!!!

Aussie Greg   March 9th, 2008 7:59 pm ET

How can America preach to the rest of the world on human rights when the President does not believe in them.

Shame on America, the end does not justify the means, ever fullstop.
The world needs you Obama, America needs you Obama.

nmt   March 9th, 2008 7:59 pm ET

HILARY
Has a lot of experience, 35 yrs, which she can bring to the wtihe house..
OBAMA
Has a speech

Americans..Lets think about this....

In the 2002 'speech'..Obama predicted that the war would lead America where it is now, Economically, socially, internationally.
therefore opposed it.

Hilary, in her experience, 2002, making it ...35-6 yrs.....which is still a lot of experience, used her experience and judgmenrt, knowledge and wits...to come to the decision to vote for the war???/

just a speech?

Arthur-Texas   March 9th, 2008 7:58 pm ET

Obama is getting more desparate evey day.His campaign is falling apart so he is making charges that are way out in left field.
If I were he,I would not bring up issues of national security or defense becuase he cannot he does not come close to matching Hillarys experience or knowledge.

Nate from Mpls   March 9th, 2008 7:58 pm ET

Sometimes there is only one way to get information from someone. Are you going to let some guy who has extensive knowledge of a potential attack just sit in a cell while the US is trying to figure out what to do? If someone is part of a terrorist organization, they deserve whatever treatment they get. If terrorist groups can kill hundreds or thousands of people, what's just one person getting tortured? I don't care, the safety of millions of people could depend upon it.

BNS   March 9th, 2008 7:57 pm ET

Both of these candidates believe in torture - torturing US!!

mary   March 9th, 2008 7:56 pm ET

This pretains to the College students who participated in state caucauses. Won't these same students have to vote in the precient/state that is their permanent address? I can't picture a college student giving up their permanent residence just to vote in the state where they attend college. So caucauses don't seem to show the actual votes per state.

Chris   March 9th, 2008 7:54 pm ET

When I read these comments it makes me very sad to be an American...

It sounds to me like all of you have forgotten 911 and the burning of the towers... it sounds like almost all of you do not support our troops and the dangers they encounter daily... I can not believe that Obama is winning votes because Clinton voted for the war... She is only a Senator from New York or "ground zero"... I guess I should have expected Obama supporters to try and take the high road and let people walk all over them... never stand up for what they believe in... and turn the ringer off at 3am...

I guess I wish I lived in the same dream world all of you live in... I know in the real world there are people out there that hate you for no reason... there are people out there that do not care if they kill thousands of innocent mothers, fathers, or children... right now two girls going to college were killed in random acts of violence...

I know reading all of these blogs is "torture"!!!

William   March 9th, 2008 7:52 pm ET

Democrats want mail in vote for Florida and Michigan Primary. From where the soft money come from. The corporate lobbyist. Why Obama does not object to this. He is our agent of change we beleive. He is rady to take soft money from big corps in return for favors. Same old politics. Birds of the same feather flock togather.

DC   March 9th, 2008 7:51 pm ET

You are 110 % correct Lois in CA.

ivor   March 9th, 2008 7:47 pm ET

ibelieve obama just do not know what he wants. go GO HILLARY

DC   March 9th, 2008 7:46 pm ET

Obama doens't know his foot from a hole in the ground!!!

bad idea   March 9th, 2008 7:46 pm ET

If people really going to listen to Obama talks but not the walk,my guess is you are such a naive.Theres an article about Obama on the internet,people said he risk his career by standing against the war and rally in Chicago and told the anti war rallies that it is still not to late to stop the wwar.By then US already invaded IRAQ.So where is this promises?
2ndly he's talking about immigration and how bad is Mccain for legalizing the illegal in Immigration.But he did co-sponsor "Secure America and Orderly Immigration Act' introduced by John Mccain.And he did added three admendments for the "Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act; which then failed the Senate of house representative.he really doesnt teach what he reach about illegal immigration.
3rdly in August 2007 he said this "it was a terrible mistake to fail to act" against a 2005 meeting of al-Qaeda leaders that U.S. intelligence had confirmed to be taking place in Pakistan's Federally Administered Tribal Areas. He said that as president he would not miss a similar opportunity, even without the support of the Pakistani government.[114]
For an anti war person who preach that Iraq war is wrong.What does he meant by above captions.Isnt invading a country of your ally and thus recreated misunderstand between the US and Parkistan.Isnt this creating war?
4thly,he's talking about diplomacy between iran,syria and middle eastern countries but he did vote for Iran santion enabling Act.And he did says this as well.At a meeting with Palestinian students two weeks before Hamas won the legislative election, Obama warned that "the U.S. will never recognize winning Hamas candidates unless the group renounces its fundamental mission to eliminate Israel.didn't he said that when he deal with Iran and hamas he will be diplomacy.So is he being lip flop again

Kevin   March 9th, 2008 7:46 pm ET

OhioVoter, are you insane? You're making your judgment calls based on the tv-drama, "24." ?!?!?

Wow, what a sad sad country we're living in if the vast majority can no longer comprehend real world scenarios, where all of our "knowledge" comes not from peer-reviewed journals, but from Hollywood. No wonder Ohio went to Clinton and the "un-educated." Smarten up, America.

allxdreamer   March 9th, 2008 7:46 pm ET

It is amazing to me everywhere you look you see Obama's face. He may be ahead in the delegates, but Hillary is ahead in the superdelegates. And although Obama won Wyoming of just 4,000, Hillary got 3,400 so not many ppl vote at these caucus. I have heard a lot of ppl say they have switched from Obama to Clinton which is good. I think ppl have seen Obama's real side. The side where he said he was against NaFTA and then sent his advisor to Canada and said not really. Then there was the senior advisor who told the scotish paper Hillary is a monster, and that Obama would not really start to withdraw the troops as he has promised the American ppl. So ppl all around this Country are starting to stop and say, if Obama can't LEAD his own campaign HOW CAN OBAMA LEAD OUR NATION that is already in trouble economically and in war. So I am glad to hear so many are now switching from obama to Hillary. Our country is in a great need an experienced leader, and Hillary has the experience and the backbone needed to stand up for the American ppl and make changes that will bring this Nation back up on TOP again. Vote for Hillary Rodham Clinton, for President!!

You've got to kidding!   March 9th, 2008 7:45 pm ET

Did anyone else notice that OhioVoter justified the position of a Presidential candidate on this issue based on a fictional TV show (“I've seen ‘24.’ As Jack Bauer has shown, sometimes a little torture goes a long way…”)? There are so many interesting books and articles regarding the military efficacy of torture, as well as the moral dilemma posed by its use. Yet, OhioVoter absurdly references the experiences of an imaginary TV character to make his point. What a moron!

Ann Delaney   March 9th, 2008 7:44 pm ET

Why was Hillary Clinton wavering regarding torture – it sounds like her public comments didn't match what she was writing to the President? Was this more back room dealing that Clinton likes to indulge in? Was she watching the polls that day?

Also, why did MSNBC pull the story that a Canadian newspaper ran stating that Bill Clinton had contacted Canadian government regarding NAFTA not Barack Obama? I saved the first read article. Why is the media not addressing the dirt on the Clintons? Such as a law suit against Bill Clinton for business fraud that will be heard by the Supreme Court of California. What was Hillary's involvement with Ron Paul?

YeahRight   March 9th, 2008 7:44 pm ET

CNN – PLEASE POST 1 OUT OF 100 OF MY COMMENTS...

I would urge people to read the entire ticker ONE MORE TIME. Senator Obama said Mrs. Clinton FLIP-FLOPPED. And the response from her is that she is against it (NOW?). Did she address the FLIP-FLOPPING part?
Someone should teach you people (that says Clinton is awesome) HOW TO READ.

MNDem   March 9th, 2008 7:43 pm ET

What Hillary is doing the Democratic Party should be considered torture.

McIntyre   March 9th, 2008 7:42 pm ET

You know what torture is..having to listen to Hillary bleat and squawk day after day.. she makes my head spin. I say put her in a room of suspected terrorits and they will sing like birds!!!! I can't imagine having to listen to that voice for four years.. GO Obama !!

Karen B.   March 9th, 2008 7:42 pm ET

I am pleased that Obama takes the moral high. Torture is wrong. If we don't come out against it, we have NO room to talk when OUR troops are tortured.

I do wish he would defend himself against more of Hillary's smears, but it is clear he is trying to keep the contest positive. The old saying stands true, wrestle with pigs and you'll only get muddy, and the pigs will love it!

Hillary, stop the negativity. You are only hurting the party and cheapening us as a nation in the eyes of the world.

Michael Mills   March 9th, 2008 7:40 pm ET

Hillarys' K-Street corporate friends and supporter Ruppert Murdock polled Democratic primary voters before she made her "decision" on torture. That's why she changed her mind. Amen Ron!

charles baiden   March 9th, 2008 7:39 pm ET

If torture will bring the anticipated result it must be considered as an option.Using a strong hand on evil people is a step in the right direction.

Ronald Peete   March 9th, 2008 7:38 pm ET

I have one simple question, WHY IS HILLARY CLINTON NOT REQUIRED TO DISCLOSE THAT SHE AND BILL CLINTON ARE BEING SUED IN THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA FOR CAMPAIGN FINANCE FRAUD?? THEIR TRIAL STARTS IN OCTOBER OF THIS YEAR AND THE DISCOVERY PHASE IS GOING ON THIS MONTH!! I FEEL THAT THIS MUST BE DISCLOSED TO THE VOTERS SO THAT EVERYTHING IS OUT IN THE OPEN!!!

nellie   March 9th, 2008 7:37 pm ET

MCNEIL. I THINK YOU NEED TO READ THE ORIGINL ARTICLE FROM IRELAND ITSELF. THE IRSH ARE AMUSED AT HILARY BEEFING HER RESUME. READ UK TELEGRAM FOR THURSDAY/WEDNESDAY LAST WEEK ON HILARY IRELAND CLAIMS.

After further review,Texas   March 9th, 2008 7:34 pm ET

American citizens can also be tortured in a domestic setting,they just dont tell you that now.

Ellie   March 9th, 2008 7:34 pm ET

What is Hillary Clinton's definition of torture?? is it: t o r t u r e ???
or is it: e r u t r o t???? She certainly has learned the real meaning from the Clinton machine!!! Talk from both sides of your mouth!! Flip-flop on your answers!! Project ugliness onto your opponent!! Gather the "general's army" together at the round table to make yourself look "like your ready on day one when the phone rings at 3:00 in the morning" when in fact the call goes to the Pentegon and you only served as First Lady in the White House!! (now that is REAL experience)!! Get BillyBoy, the Bull Dog out there to make his "mark" on the American voters and promote a "dream team"!! That will surely garner some votes. After all – Americans will get THREE PRESIDENTS FOR THE VOTE OF ONE!!

What is Hillary Clinton's definition of winning this election? GET THE NOMINATION!! GET THE NOMINATION!! GET IT ANY WAY YOU CAN!! AND BE SURE TO TEAR YOUR DEMOCRATIC PARTY APART WHILE YOU ARE DOING IT!! AND WHEN YOU HAVE ACCOMPLISHED THIS HISTORY-MAKING ENDEAVOR - HAVE AN INTERVIEW WITH THE MEDIA AND CRY CROCODILE TEARS!! SIMPLY EXPLAIN TO THEM: IT WASN'T ME - IT WASN'T ME - IT WAS A LEFT-WING CONSPIRACY!! YOU BETCHA!! THEY WILL BELIEVE YOU TOO!!

Thomas   March 9th, 2008 7:33 pm ET

Whats this discussion about ? Barack do have more votes (600.000), Barak do have more States and Barack do have more pledged Delegates.

Its time for Hillary to drop out the race, and beeing the running mate.

SHERYLANNE   March 9th, 2008 7:31 pm ET

Not surprised Obama got tired of the Iraq vote, so he moves on.

He doesn't have a voting record (the ones he does have is the same as Clinton) so he can voice "I didn't vote for/against a policy".

Try something new Obama, like informing all of us how you plan on changing things; give concrete directions. Oh, wait a minute, he won't because then he will be accused of flip-flopping and anyway, he doesn't have any plans.

Obamalites are leading us down a dangerous path. Thank G** that a lot of Clinton backers will switch to McCain should Obama become the Democratic nominee. He does not have a chance to become more than he is; a motivating speaker.

Joseph   March 9th, 2008 7:30 pm ET

Regarding Clinton wavering (and general untrustworthiness):

You can fool some of the people all of the time, all of the people some of the time, but the rest of the time you can let them make fools of themselves.

Don't be fooled by the Clinton lies.

Senator Obama is a man of the rarest integrity, and while he is not as seasoned as Clinton in slinging the mud, which this political sport requires on occasion, at least he got it right here:
"We need a Commander in Chief who has never wavered on whether or not it is acceptable for America to torture, because it is never acceptable,” PERIOD

Jack from WV   March 9th, 2008 7:29 pm ET

Being a retired Veteran and understanding a bit about interrogations using proven techniques is a must to gain the information required. There are several techniques used by the military and others. In a perfect world torture would not happen, however we don’t live in a perfect world and our adversaries use whatever techniques they have at their disposal to get their information short of death and sometime even death. It isn’t pretty but the end results out weigh no information.
Obama is showing his immaturity by saying he will outlaw torture techniques if he is elected President. First of all our adversaries use whatever they want to, there’s no Geneva Convention in the terrorists hand book to follow. So if we have a high level terrorist close to Osama Bin Ladin who was captured of coarse he will not talk. I would expect our government agencies to use whatever is required to get the information ie: Osama Bin Ladin.
I don’t agree with Hillary on anything but on this subject she is right on and Obama is looking at this in a perfect world which we don’t live in, he should know this better than most! Freshman Senator shows his limits once again.

changing times   March 9th, 2008 7:26 pm ET

Here it is folks:

Clinton backs off support for torture

"As a matter of policy it cannot be American policy, period," Clinton responded, seconding the clear positions of Senators Barack Obama (Ill.)and Joe Biden (Del.).

But in a pair of interviews with the New York Daily News last October, Clinton outlined the same narrow exception that Russert described, and which had also been floated by former President Bill Clinton in an interview last year with National Public Radio.

"If we're going to be preparing for the kind of improbable but possible eventuality, then it has to be done within the rule of law," Clinton said at the time, in a telephone interview with this reporter, expanding on comments to the Daily News Editorial Board that there should be "lawful authority" for torture in some cases.

She said then that the "ticking time bomb" scenario would be a narrow exception to her opposition to torture.

joseph   March 9th, 2008 7:25 pm ET

Senator Obama is a man of the rarest integrity, which is why so many fanatical Clinton supporters can't seem to understand him. His exact perspective on the issue of torture is that a man of solid moral judgement will never allow the debate to begin with. This is what his statement says in clear detail: "We need a Commander in Chief who has never wavered on whether or not it is acceptable for America to torture, because it is never acceptable” PERIOD

Regarding the Clintons' wavering: "You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but most of the time you can let them make fools of themselves..."

Clinton is a chameleon.

Kate Foran   March 9th, 2008 7:24 pm ET

The Clintons were in the White House already for 8 years with a number of scandals.
They did and will do anything for their OWN survival and fame.

The election is NOT a question of candidates’ gender.
It is a question of their personalities, qualities, integrity and capabilities.

First of all, the power-hungry nasty Hillary does not represent WOMEN.
She insults all good, honest and intelligent women.

We should NOT allow the Clintons to go back to the White House to play dirty tricks again. Remember we had enough of them.

Theresa   March 9th, 2008 7:24 pm ET

what about NOT going negative...

change1   March 9th, 2008 7:24 pm ET

WHY DOES THE MEDIA FOCUS SO MUCH ON HILARY? HAVE THEY FORGOTTEN TO REPORT THAT THE CANADIANS SAID HER CAMPAIGN WAS THE ONE WHO CONTACTED THEM? THAT REPORT WAS IN MSNBC'S FIRST READ. I GUESS THEY WERE TO EAGER TO ATTACK BARACK THAT THEY COULD NOT EVEN WAIT TO GATHER THEIR FACTS. POTS CALLING KETTLE BLACK?

LEAVE OBAMA ALONE, NEVER IN THE HISTORY OF THIS NATION HAS ANYONE BEING SO POSITIVE AND RUN A RACE WITHOUT RACE ON HIS/HER SLEEVES......DON'T YOU SEE WHY THINGS ARE WORKING IN HIS FAVOR? AND FOR BILARY, DON'T EVEN TRY TO MENTION ANYTHING OF A JOINT TICKET...YOU GUYS ARE STILL ASLEEP, WAKE UP ITS 2008!!!!

Brian   March 9th, 2008 7:23 pm ET

You think with all the experience she has had torture would have been outlawed before Bush became president...... Oh yeah the kind of experience that lead to genocides in Bosnia, Rwanda and Kosovo.... That's the kind of experience to be proud of.

Black Man in Dixie   March 9th, 2008 7:23 pm ET

Think about all the Americans tortured by other countries in our history and then make a decision.

joe   March 9th, 2008 7:17 pm ET

BY THE WAY OBAMA I LIVE HERE IN FLORIDA

AND IF YOU DONT WANT TO HAVE OUR VOTES COUNT

ONE WORD...KHARMA..

WATCH OUT IN NOVEMBER...IT WILL COME BACK TO HAUNT YOU

king from toronto   March 9th, 2008 7:14 pm ET

obama is right.it's only when things get out.that's when she opposes.she was for it before. now she's running for president,all of a sudden she changes.we saw the same thing with the war!we was it with nafta.it's the clintons trend.deny" deny" deny,

Jonny   March 9th, 2008 7:14 pm ET

Hey look! HRC supporters are having it both ways!! Shocking!!

Bunch of hypocrites...

G.Brown   March 9th, 2008 7:14 pm ET

Her voice and speaking style is killing me. I must turn down my T.V.

That's Reality   March 9th, 2008 7:13 pm ET

You can be sure, either candidate will change their mind on the issue of torture if their child's life is at stake

PCS / North Carolina   March 9th, 2008 7:13 pm ET

Ron wrote March 9th, 2008 6:33 pm ET

'So the truth is before she decided to run: There might be times when it is OK. Now that she is running: It is not OK…This is typical Hillary. Most of her decisions are based on trying to get some kind of political advantage. WHY..can't more people see this???? "

You are absolutly right

Hal   March 9th, 2008 7:12 pm ET

Whatever the polls say I agree seems to be the Clinton line. Everyone should just look at the judicial record if they are worried about "imminent" attack. The law should say that it is illegal every time then it falls to the courts to decide whether or not the circumstances justified the actions. Truly patriotic Americans understand that with freedom comes the inherent risk and accept that. They are also willing to face the consequensces of their actions and act even when faced with the threat of retribution. Torture is for cowards.

robert   March 9th, 2008 7:11 pm ET

But is is important to speak wendy.

gary   March 9th, 2008 7:11 pm ET

Do you think other countries treat us with kid gloves? Give me a break. They torture the hell out of Americans. Thats war. Get real America

Daniel   March 9th, 2008 7:11 pm ET

We all know that the Clintons will say and do anything to win an election. These are some of the stuff Obama is running to change.
Obama all the way. Hillary can go bake some cookies.

Independent   March 9th, 2008 7:09 pm ET

Hillary says anything to get elected. Any New Yorker will tell you the same.

Lynn   March 9th, 2008 7:09 pm ET

!. other news sites are reporting that Clinton and her camp are also beneficiaries of Rezko money!!

2. There is a split on Clinton's involvement in Northern Ireland. Nobel Peace Prize winner and negotiator for peace has described Clinton's claim of helping to bring peace to his country is a "wee bit silly" and her role as a "cheerleader" rather than a principal player.

Funny how it is necessary to go onto other news websites to actually find out the news. CNN seems more intent on flaming conflict than responsibly reporting the news. I am an Obama supporter but think this goes for both candiddates.

UPDATE YOUR DELEGATE COUNT!!! OR DON"Y REPORT IT AS ACCURATE!!

robert   March 9th, 2008 7:09 pm ET

if obama is looking to question clintons credibility, he should make a refernce to their 8 years of scandals.

he has to say something like she brings a lifetime of scandals (she often says i bring a lifetime of experience)

this was rather low impact stuff but may be effective to people who really care about these issue.

gary   March 9th, 2008 7:08 pm ET

I wouldnt trust Obama as far as I could throw him.Obama voters are sold on excuses and smooth talked promises. His experience on foreign policies is Zero. You voters will get change ,but not what your expecting. Hillary always makes her own decisions.She's not like Obama ,a follower and copy cat. America will soon find out where this country will go if he makes office.Super deligates are not going to go with Obama at the end. They know America needs HRC and her caliber of know how to bring this world around.Just like the90s when Bill had this country doing better than anyone. We had no wars ,jobs were many,and life sure wasnt like it is now. You young voters wouldnt know that.You only listen to garbage from Clinton haters.you better start really thinking about your country before we have none to worry about. Even the U.S. Military endorses HRC. Go Hillary

Tom   March 9th, 2008 7:07 pm ET

Wake up Obama Torture is allready illegal here. What country do you live in. YOU are going to make it illegal. Get all your facts right. When Hillary is proved right on something you cant let it go. Grow up. All you Oammmabites, stay away from the poisoned Koolaid in Joneville
GO HILLARY

Angelene   March 9th, 2008 7:06 pm ET

The one thing Obama had better realize quick, Is that Hillary Clinton knows how to cover her butt. She knew this would come up and therefor has just recently put this in writing. She is good at this Obama.

She will waver, she will lie, she will cheat, she will attempt to destroy your very being just to become President.

We know the Clintons of the past and it would do you good to study their past behaviors, surely in this race, it will let you know the steps they will take to cover their butts.

Bill Clinton inherited a good budget when he came into office, it was his irresponsibility that has lead us into war. They knew about Osama, they were even given an opportunity to get Osama and did nothing, that is why we are in this situation today.

BARACK OBAMA , President of the United States of America!

Susan   March 9th, 2008 7:05 pm ET

Hillary Clinton was in favor of waterboarding as a method of torture. This technique dates back to the Middle Ages. Hillary flipped flopped again and now she says she opposes it. Obama outed her. That is smart politics. The president defines the agenda. Hillary's is defined my opinion polls and what plays well with the people. Note to Hillary: try telling the truth for one whole day.

Vig   March 9th, 2008 7:05 pm ET

Flip-flopper Obama. AOL has a post today giving a synopsis of Obama's time in the senate. He flip-flops when the winds of change.

Flip-flopper Obama. AOL has a post today givng a synoposis of Obama's time in the senate and it gives you some insight into what makes him tick. He flip-flops when the winds of change are not at his back. He politics are tailored to fit his ambitions – which are to be President. One senator described him as "folding like a cheap suit". Obama wants a free ride on the elevator. The article makes him come off looking as ambitious, lazy, and behaving in ways that would further his Presidential goals. Why am I not surprised?

joe   March 9th, 2008 7:04 pm ET

OBAMA SO MUCH FOR THE "NEW POLITICS"

OBAMA IS DESPERATE AND IT SHOWS...BIG LOSER

Another Iowa Voter   March 9th, 2008 7:04 pm ET

Hillary is such a liar. She has constatnly through her campaign complained about her opponent while doing the same thing she just complained about.

NAFTA-GATE is one expample, this is another.

PCS / North Carolina   March 9th, 2008 7:04 pm ET

Andy wrote March 9th, 2008 4:53 pm ET

"While Obama is criticizing his opponent, Hillary takes action to oppose President Bush's veto."
Fact: If Hillary voted against torture in the first place, then she doesn't need to take action to oppose the veto anyway!

"Yeah sure, he consistently opposed torture as he opposed the Iraq war for which he actually has continuously supported funding"
Fact: He opposed the war because it is the wrong decision. When our troops are in harms way in the front, WE HAVE TO SUPPORT THEM BY FUNDING ADEQUATELY. I do not see anything wrong here, Hillary is simply flip-flopping on every issue. Judgment is more important than artificial experience.

Mad in Texas   March 9th, 2008 7:03 pm ET

Don't be foolish people. Obama is a great deceiver. He claims to not have supported the Irag War. He may have in his mind. But, he certainly did not voice any complaints or vote against it. He could not even vote since he was not a U.S. Senator at the time. I am tired of Igornance. If the CIA hands are tied on doing a little pressure on prisoners then we are helpless in gaining information of terriost activity. If they know that we will do nothing then they have no incintive to talk. If you think thay're going to play paddy-cake with our people then you are fools. I spent 28 years in the U.S. Army and two Wars in finding out what our enemies will do. I will never vote for someone who is out to destroy our country. VOTE HILLARY 08

Larry   March 9th, 2008 7:01 pm ET

Obama has been on the right side of all the issues and Hillary has been on the side of what ever the polls say. Let's have a genuine leader in the White house and not some one who will say whatever they beleive the olls suggest they should say.

I have been a democrat all my life but I will never vote for Hillary because I truly beleive she will do and say anything to get elected. Too many lies from Hillary. Enough is enough.

Vote Obama   March 9th, 2008 6:59 pm ET

Hillary Stands for same old,same old!!!

Vote for A NEW VISION! Vote Obama!!!!!!

Shannon   March 9th, 2008 6:55 pm ET

Another issue that wll be brought in the general if Hilary is nominated. Even McCain has consistently opposed torture. He never once supported torture and it didn't matter if there was any information to be gained from it. I'll never vote for McCain, but I will stay home.

Anne   March 9th, 2008 6:55 pm ET

Senator Obama...you say you were against the war – yet you have voted identical to Sentor Clinton to fund the war....you could have voted no according to your so called conviction. So which is it???

And is this the best you have? Please. I am not sure she did a flip flop just like I am sure you had your staff go to Canada. I am not sure she has done alot of what you have accused her of, but I am sure you are in support of nuclear weapons.

I am not sure what your supporters see other than just your words, which of course they do not have a brain to question. I am sure I will vote for Clinton.

changing times   March 9th, 2008 6:52 pm ET

Here we go again with Hillary. Isn't she claiming her 35 years of experience as part of her husbands campaign. Isn't she taking credit for his decisions that were good for the country. She cherry picks what makes her look good from the clinton administration and rejects all the bad stuff. What a hypocrite.

If she takes credit for the good then take credit also for the bad. You can't have it both ways Hill!!!!

Bill authorized torture and so did she. period!!

An Agnostic Democrat   March 9th, 2008 6:52 pm ET

Big surprise! Hillary holding her finger in the wind to take the temperature of the moment, THEN makes a decision. Kinda like NAFTA, the war and anything else you can name. If this woman could take a firm stand on anything, it would be the first political miracle of her "35 years of (pseudo) experience." I wonder how many consultants she had to help her decide to have tea and cookies overseas and claim it as foreign policy and national security experience? Hmm ...

Mrs. America   March 9th, 2008 6:51 pm ET

I think Obama once again shows he's too naive to be president by completely ruling torture out.

Personally, I abhor torture, but If the threat is pointing right at me (or my daughter and grandchildren, etc.), and torture can prevent it, then I'm for torture.

Obama might change his mind if his wife and daughters were targets. He needs to think deeper.

I'm not anti-Obama. I think he's great for 2016.

Tony in NM   March 9th, 2008 6:51 pm ET

The Clintons want Barack Obama for vice president -or so we're told- even though Hillary says Barack is not ready yet to be commander in chief -even though being vice president is a heartbeat away from being commander in chief -even though he's not ready.

um. I get it. Hillary's rhetoric is self-serving, fear mongering garbage.

Joy   March 9th, 2008 6:47 pm ET

Another example of Clinton claiming the view of what's to her advantage at the moment. As far as her letter to Bush–have to agree she's conniving enough to know that Bush will veto, and she gets Brownies for sending a letter–a "letter" just words. I'm disgusted with her whole campaign.

Grif   March 9th, 2008 6:46 pm ET

So after all that, I wasted my time, and yours.... Still you just watch the Contracts Disappear if Obama is Elected.. Ive seen it happen at least four times, in my lifetime............

None so Blind, as thos that don't want to see.......................

Kim, Los Angeles, CA   March 9th, 2008 6:46 pm ET

For the good of the party and our country, Hillary should be President and Obama should be Vice President. Hillary is more experienced and knowledgeable about the issues, especially foreign affairs, the economy, and health care. With his recent lies on Nafta/Canada and
his advisers telling the British Press that he is "only taking a hard line on withdrawl through the election", it is quite obvious Obama lacks the leadership and judgment skills to be Commander in Chief.
Plus, McCain will demolish him on those issues in the Fall. Obama is not even in command of the troops on his campaign. It really is the best of both worlds, Hillary is President for 8 years; and then Obama, who will be ready by then, will be president for 8 years. We will have
16 years of Democrat leadership in the White House.

NC   March 9th, 2008 6:44 pm ET

Here comes the Hillary supporters again complaing about Obama being honest about Hillary. Now you guys are saying it's okay for her to "change her mind"......

Torture has no place in a free world.

Jay   March 9th, 2008 6:42 pm ET

Poor Obama, Nothing? This is all you can try and pull? Sad.

Tyler! Clinton 2008   March 9th, 2008 6:38 pm ET

Makes sense. When Hillary attacks Obama CNN does a TV special and there are millions of comments against her. Barack does that and one comment and no news about it.

GO HILLARY!

Hopefully this comment will show up, and CNN won't delete it. xD

JSH   March 9th, 2008 6:38 pm ET

"it is never acceptable"

The ticking time bomb scenerio. Millions of people's lives at stake. Waterboard one man. Anyone who would let a million people die rather than waterboard the person who could prevent that is guilty of criminal homicide and unfit to be President. Anyone who speaks in absolutes like never is naive. I hate Hillary and her corrupt scummy husband, but she has far more of a clue than this kid running for president.

Learn more about Obama and his message o'BS.

Obama and Me
Dallas Observer ^ | 3/9/8 | Todd SpivaK

gerald paddock   March 9th, 2008 6:36 pm ET

hi to whom this may concern again i see no barack obama on your main page where john macain and hillary have a spot but not borack kind of racial isnt it .other hand maybe you just like them and dont give a -- about the process . here is an idea figure all the delegates the way it has gone so far and guess who wins barack abama so i guess this news just likes to mess with the people and not tell it like it should be told .thanks jerry

Ron   March 9th, 2008 6:33 pm ET

So the truth is before she decided to run: There might be times when it is OK. Now that she is running: It is not OK...This is typical Hillary. Most of her decisions are based on trying to get some kind of political advantage. WHY..can't more people see this???? To elect her President is saying the way politics in America has been the last 12 years has been OK....It has been a CANCER people and we need to get rid of it ASAP.

Wendy   March 9th, 2008 6:33 pm ET

Once again this is an example of Obama distorting the truth and not taking any action of his own. Where are the letters that he has written? Why hasn't he held any meetings to address the problems in Afghanistan? Actions speak louder than words!! We need to see some action from Obama other than words so that we will have an idea of what kind of President we will get if we elect him President.

johnkennedy anyanwu   March 9th, 2008 6:32 pm ET

I think tortune is quite an inhumane thing to do , i like sen. barack obama stand on it and this shows his extent of leadership and the ideas he has, i keep saying that hillary and macane are birds of the same feather , same tradition in washington .

Hans-Erik Iken   March 9th, 2008 6:31 pm ET

“I believe, as do the military leaders I have consulted, that any sign of wavering on this issue by the Commander-in-Chief ‘will drop down the chain of command like a stone, and the rare exception will fast become the rule,’” she wrote.

This implies she WOULD condone the use of torture unlike senator Obama who would outlaw it.

Seems to me the Obama campaign made the correct observation and it only seems to confirm that senator Clinton is willing to sacrifice principle when it suits her.

Alex van den Bergh   March 9th, 2008 6:28 pm ET

Obama: "...unlike Senator Clinton I have never made an exception for torture and I never will."

True? Yes, it is. Until recently the new Hampshire debate, Hillary (like her husband) condoned the use of torture in "ticking bomb" scenarios. Google it; it's indisputable. She flip-flopped round about the New Hampshire debate..

Obama, on the other hand, has been consistent in his condemnation of torture in any circumstance.

Make of that what you will, but those are the facts.

Barbara   March 9th, 2008 6:27 pm ET

We are voting on what the candidates are saying they will do or try to do if they are elected President. If Obama is not going to "rely upon some plan that he crafted as a presidential candidate or U.S. senetor" than what is he telling us? We can not rely on anything he says? He also said at one point that he was a blank screen and we could put on it anything we wanted but he was going to dissapoint all of us? He reminds me of the commercial that asks"Whats in your Wallet"! Makes me wonder what his REAL plan and Agenda comes down too.

DoveSong   March 9th, 2008 6:26 pm ET

She is such a hypocrite. Anyone can see that she changed her position to get those endorsemnts. That is why she will NEVER be president.

shobha   March 9th, 2008 6:20 pm ET

Senator Obama will soon start to grate on people's nerves if he doesn't stop this rhetoric on his so called sound judgement on Iraq. Not serving in armed forces and not actively doing his senatorial duties, he has no right weighing in on these issues much less criticize others. Where was he when the vote on Iran took place?

Juan   March 9th, 2008 6:18 pm ET

Isnt Mcain also against waterboarding and torture?

Yet again another area where Obama can claim advantage over the GOP nominee where it seems Mrs. Clinton can't.

Go Obama

Vote Obama   March 9th, 2008 6:18 pm ET

That is correct Obama has not wavered on many fronts.... Obama hasn't embellished his foreign affairs experience.... Obama hasn't mismanaged his campaign.... Obama hasn't had in-fighting multi times in his campaign.... Obama hasn't used fearmongering in order to get votes!!!

Americe need I say more!!!!! Now who do you think will have the BEST judgement if that 3am were to ever become a reality- Obama of course!!!

Vote Obama!!!! Vote for change for for hope!!! Vote for a differently run government NOT the same old, same old!!!

Corey, Maryland   March 9th, 2008 6:16 pm ET

Right now I'm starting to think both of them believe in torture because this race is going on for much to long and it pains me to have to watch the same stuff over and over. If Hillary really wants to show that she doesn't believe in torture then she will get out of the race now, and save her the humiliation and it will save me from getting a few more headaches!!

Obama Richardson 08!!!

Lisa in Cincy   March 9th, 2008 6:14 pm ET

Hillary will say whatever is told to her or whatever will get her endorsements. Read carefully the reply by her camp.

Does she make any decisions on her own – that she could stand on?

Male 4 Hill- Yes I am a HILLRAISER   March 9th, 2008 6:14 pm ET

Gosh, Senator Obama is desperate to get some digs in. I feel sorry for him, he is too weak to attack. He says he will be more aggressive, but this is petty. Senator Obama, if you are gonna throw punches, throw them where they hurt.

Hillary 2008

Cosmic Comedy Queen - Hillary is the Change!   March 9th, 2008 6:13 pm ET

Saturday Night Live was as real as can be. So you are going to not stick up for yourself because you are so a such a white glove guy. Polleeeze! I do not feel safe as an American citizen with even the mere thought of your unrealistic delusional thinking.

Hillary is the only man for the job.

Mary True   March 9th, 2008 6:13 pm ET

I don't understand why Hillary Clinton is even mentioned in the debate re: torture. She is against it!!!!! Can we take a moment here and reflect on her capabilities and strengths as opposed to the" press speak". She is a very hard worker, she crosses the aisle with ease. He does not have the finesse or the stature that she brings to the table. Her work ethic in the senate is legend and enormous. Poll anyone she has actually worked with and you will find the truth. She is so very capable and "with it" how can the press ignore this, how can the general electorate ignore this. I am afraid to write this, however I think Obama is getting votes from the African American and college educated because he is black. We need a strong woman elected to the office of President. American people will then see great things happening. Mary True

Lois in CA   March 9th, 2008 6:12 pm ET

Yo, Obama, you're not the president. Considering that you've been a senator, what, 3 years?, you weren't there to vote either way about the war. You can shoot your mouth off about your opposition, but you didn't vote one way or the other where it counted in the US Senate.

Herman   March 9th, 2008 6:06 pm ET

Thank you, Senator Barack Obama for standing up against torture yet making another right choice in your decision to stand firm on the tough issues.

That leads me to believe that when the phone rings at 3:00 AM or at any other time during the day that you will most certainly always make the right choice in handling any crises that America faces.

You sir are what America needs at this point in time in this country great history to stand up and say America is BACK…

Obama 08   March 9th, 2008 5:58 pm ET

So, she did flip flop...just admit it!!

Jack   March 9th, 2008 5:57 pm ET

THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE WANT FROM OBAMA.

START HITTING HER THE SAME WAY SHE DOES!

Dee   March 9th, 2008 5:55 pm ET

Obama claims the high ground on judgment, but sought out involvement with a man who was known to be under federal investigation (Tony Reszco.) How good is his judgment after all?

spirit of america   March 9th, 2008 5:53 pm ET

Obama's going to outlaw torture?? It is already outlawed and has been so for decades. See Article 5 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Why not just enforce the international law and bring those who use torture to justice?

k.s. allin   March 9th, 2008 5:51 pm ET

Bill clinton supported rendition during his tenure. since hellery was part of clinton's reign, then was she for rendition? hellery seems to agree and say she was part of her husbands reign when it is good for her, but when it comes to nafta and rendition, she had no part-isn't that interesting?

no-no   March 9th, 2008 5:50 pm ET

The democrats really want to lose this thing come November. Obama likes to point at only Clinton being nasty toward him but it really is going both ways. I think I am going to vote Republican come november anyway bc I am sick of seeing the two of them bicker. I cant believe the democrats are even thinking of nominating Obama as candidate. He is SOOOOOOOOO inexperienced and I would never want him in charge of my safety. I would probably vote for Clinton if she won bc I think she could at least restore the economy.

Rich Levins   March 9th, 2008 5:49 pm ET

Has any one noticed that the Democratic Party looks like a Train Wreck waiting to happen?

While both the Clinton and Obama camps have become so entrenched in the battle to win the Democratic nomination, few seem to be able to see the forest from the trees. The bigger picture is that after a heated battle for the Democratic nomination that seems likely to end up in an all out fight at the Democratic Convention, many supporters of the losing Democratic candidate may Not vote for the winning Democratic nominee, with many already indicating that if their candidate loses they will feel abandoned by their party.

In the end, more than anything else, it may come down to the willingness and ability of the losing Democratic candidate to restore party unity that will decide the 2008 Presidential election.

Clinton/Obama2008   March 9th, 2008 5:49 pm ET

Thes attacks are entirely unnecessary!!

Let's focus on how the American people will be able to prosper and be safe again!

How often will this ever become an issue that touches the average person?

Seriously, it seems that all Mr. Obama wants to do is pick a fight.

At some point he is going to have work with Hillary and he needs her supporters if he wins the nominations.

This is childish and unbecoming of a Democrat. I becomeing les and less impressed with Barack everyday. the more he goes on the negative attack the more Hillary will come back ten fold in defense. To what end is this helpful.

This is destroy the Democrats chance of regaining the White HOue and to extending the majority in Congress. I mean come on already. GROW UP PEOPLE!

Anonymous   March 9th, 2008 5:48 pm ET

Obama once again shows his opportunistic and hollow speech. And his supporters still don't see it. Well like my granmother used to say: " There is no worst blind than the one that does not want to see"

julie   March 9th, 2008 5:46 pm ET

Obama has never consistently done anything! Cnn and Obama are starting to get really old. Enough already! And the CHANGE is to FOX! where we can get more than one side of any story.

Eliah   March 9th, 2008 5:43 pm ET

I say both candidates pledge to outlaw torture with no exceptions.

Brandon from WI   March 9th, 2008 5:40 pm ET

Politcal Expediancy.
According to Clinton it's not just for breakfast anymore. When she needed to be tough, Hillary was ambivilant on "enhanced interrorgation techniques" aka torture. Now she needs to be liberal she's always been strongly against it.
We need to have a women be in the White House. However, the wrong women may actually hurt the future for other women. If Hillary gets into office and behaves like a tyrant, in the future when other women run (and they will) people will point to them and say you don't want another Hillary.

Lee   March 9th, 2008 5:37 pm ET

Can we say Obama has gone negative YET????? This sounds very NEGATIVE to me – Im just sayin'.... he was not just responding to something he thought was aimed at him – yep I believe

OBAMA HAS GONE NEGATIVE

stacy   March 9th, 2008 5:36 pm ET

Hillary is quite eloquent with words, uses very intelligent language
in all that she does, rather than just two words, change and hope every other sentence.

Anthony   March 9th, 2008 5:33 pm ET

I'm sorry, but if people never changed their opinions, racism would still be prevalent, torture would be legal, the Whig party would still be around, etc. etc. I would hate for my political representative to hold their beliefs as unchangeable and entirely correct. So what if Hillary has changed her position. I believe that the president of the United States should be open to changing their positions on key issues, especially if the American people strongly believe something different.

Elizabeth   March 9th, 2008 5:32 pm ET

She will say whatever the public opinion is, and she changes with the wind; Will the real Hillary please come forward or did we see who you really are in Ohio!

American citizens, I urge you, take a look at how these campaigns have been managed. Hillary, I, as a woman, will not allow you to manipulate this electoral process. And, as a woman, did not vote for you. You make women look like victims.

David Minneapolis   March 9th, 2008 5:25 pm ET

Not unlike the question of NAFTA, which neither Obama or Clinton is going to change, no president is going to allow Americans to be harmed on American soil without doing whatever they can to get the information to protect them, period.

They are playing politics. They will both allow torture in limited situations if it is deemed necessary. They will both support free trade agreements wherever and whenever they can get them with lots of 'labor and environmental' standards attached (read labor and liberal voters support).

With Obama and Clinton the question is whether or not you want to elect someone who will eventually be corrupted by power or someone who already has been.

Wake Up America   March 9th, 2008 5:22 pm ET

Americans need to wake up before it is too late! It is okay to change your mind on an issue. If we are being honest with ourselves, there are instances in which we all have changed our mind on a political issue. Our Independents reserve that right every 4 years. The only reason Obama may look so "unwavering" to you "new comers" in his deicision making is because he has not been around long enough, that's scary. Be realistic, he is just another politician and in time he too will show his true political side. Do you really think we should put our country in the hands of a man with only 4 years as an Illinois Senator. Lets look at what he has accomplished as a senator.... When he was there to vote, highest absenteeism of all three candidates, he is always playing it safe. 130 times as Senator he did not/would not pick a side. Do you think he was being "primed" to run for the presidency? Hum... If he does not pick a side, he can wait to see what we the people want and then say he never wavered in his deicision making when in fact he made no decision at all. Do your homework America, it is unthinkable that we would elect a democratic nominee or the President without doing some research first....you may be surprised.

Kat, Huntington, West Virginia   March 9th, 2008 5:22 pm ET

Wrong again Barack! Keep trying. The generals and other military experts that back Hillary support her for a reason, because she is right, decisive and experienced. Stay with what you know, nice speeches.
Hillary 08!

last dog   March 9th, 2008 5:22 pm ET

Now we are going to see what Obama is made of. Here is just one example, there will be more. It is going to be very difficult to challenge Clinton on national security - everytime he goes after her there, another general is going to pop up in her defense. Mr. Peace & Love is going to have to think of something else. He's been hanging out with Teddy Kennedy and thinks he's the annointed one, but I have a feeling Jack would be voting for Hillary. In November, what will the median voting age be? That is what the superdelegates are thinking about now.

Ted in Chicago   March 9th, 2008 5:20 pm ET

I am surprised BO knew the position of HRC - per the NYT cover story today (and we are all liberal DEMS on BO and HRC sides and we give credit to the NYT) -BO was not there enough to know

I guess his staff gave him a note ....

Credit to Obama though – he finally is starting to fight his own battles
vs using fliers – Axelrod and female subordinates and advisers.

Pesonally I think our US position must be never to torture – never never never is our policy and law. Then I recognize that a General or a high up at the CIA or the Pres or VP could on an exception basis give the green light for some form of torture -- if they felt it would help the defense of this nation (knowing it usually does not work). That is executive leeway – - but if they break the law then they should face the music of the DPJ or Congress – and if say its a WH person face possible impeachment and even jail

So policy is never – reality is reality – some one over the next twenty years will break the rule and may well save lives – but it can not be policy – even the exception can not be policy – and anyone for whatever reason authorizing some form of torture should face the wrath of the DOJ or Congress.

Farrell, Houston, Tx   March 9th, 2008 5:13 pm ET

Enough of Hillary's lies. Hillary lies so much she doesn't know the truth from a lie. Hillary is very good at throwing a stone then hiding her hand and that's exactly what she'll do if she were Commander in Chief, remember WMD's that weren't there, she's the making of the same administration.

Pia   March 9th, 2008 5:12 pm ET

Can we trust anything Hillary Clinton says? Her lies, deceit and flip flopping will no longer be of importance since she is now on her way out thanks to the smart voters who said NO to her. No Madam president. I suggest another profession where she can be the Madam.

Next agenda for the American people- to help her lose her NY senate seat as well. Do the right thing NY state.

Robert   March 9th, 2008 5:10 pm ET

There goes Obama twisting Hillary's words again! Can you say "REJECT" or "DENOUNCE"? Just because Obama can use vague words to mean whatever it is suitable to benefit himself doesn't mean that others are doing the same!

OhioVoter   March 9th, 2008 5:09 pm ET

I think that this is another example of OHB being unrealistic. I am not in anyway condoning systematic torture, including waterboarding. But, I must admit, I've seen "24." As Jack Bauer has shown, sometimes a little torture goes a long way. OHB is pandering and trying to draw false differences between HRC and himself.

If OHB is unwilling to consider that torture may be necessary - then I question whether he is capable of protecting America from imminent threats.

Roy   March 9th, 2008 5:08 pm ET

Obama says "While I have consistently opposed torture....." . He also says "I have consistently opposed the war in Irak...", Is his present position in American politics weak? He has never introduced CONCRETE PROPOSALS how to end the war/torture as far as I know. Is he always opposing and talking about difficult matters – not trying to act himself as a politician? European

cc   March 9th, 2008 5:05 pm ET

I can't believe this is even a debate in the USA.

If you have to ask "is this torture", it is.

I sure don't want any of our people in uniform subjected to any of these "techniques".

joanne   March 9th, 2008 5:01 pm ET

I find it amazing that a person in this country cannot change their point of view on issues even when it is their job to help shape our gov't policy. Is Obama actually suggesting that once he has made up his mind on an issue he will be so inmflexible that given new input he would not change his mind? I don't want that kind of president. I also don't want a candidate who claims the othere is secretive as if he is not. I am not so concerned about Hilary's tax returns as I am about what Michelle Obama wrote in her thesis that now has to be under lock and key.

M. S. Indiana   March 9th, 2008 5:00 pm ET

Looks like the Clinton's wanna keep torture open, so she can use it on her own people...

Darryl   March 9th, 2008 5:00 pm ET

We must leader in the free world and not allow such action to take place I am retired military personnel this act endorse by President Bush should not be allowed to continue. This send the wrong message to the the rest of the free world. We need to change the course and bebuild relationship with the rest of the world and still at the same time protect ourselves. We have the technology .

Now Hillary may just say continue with the Bush doctorine I say stop it now..

MCNEIL   March 9th, 2008 5:00 pm ET

SO OBAMA DID NOT DO HIS HOMEWORK BEFORE HE SPOKE ....ANOTHER BLUNDER...............EVERYONE GO TO MSNBC UNDER FIRST READ AND THE PIECE ON THE DREAM TICKET AND READ WHAT SHTUEY HAD TO WRITE ABOUT HILARYS HELP IN BRING PEACE TO NORTHERN IRELAND NO DISPUTING THIS ARTICLE SO OBAMA CAMP DO YOUR HOME WORK BEFORE YOU SPEAK...COME ON CNN TALK ABOUT THIS ON YOUR BALLETBOWL.... I GUESS NOT ..THIS IS A GLOWING REPORT ON HILARY...................IT WOULD TAKE THAT GRIN OFF GLORIAS FACE EVERY TIME SHE TALKS ABOUT HILARY................

Maisie08   March 9th, 2008 4:59 pm ET

Clinton only gets strong on torture when the political winds change and it becomes a campaign issue–no more flip-flopping Hillary. Stand up against torture from the get-go instead of wavering and half-heartedness.

rb   March 9th, 2008 4:56 pm ET

It looks like Obama is a great supporter of media manipulation.

Go Hillary!

Andy   March 9th, 2008 4:53 pm ET

While Obama is criticizing his opponent, Hillary takes action to oppose President Bush's veto. Learn Obama, learn because all you know now is to go on the campaign trail and give speeches, criticize everyone and everything, and make empty promises.

Yeah sure, he consistently opposed torture as he opposed the Iraq war for which he actually has continuously supported funding. Twisted logic a la Obama on both issues.

Jeff - Illinois   March 9th, 2008 4:52 pm ET

There is no way torture should be legal under US Law. If, through torture, the CIA can prevent an imminent attack, then the CIA should go ahead and torture. If its important enough to do, its worth an agent risking taking the fall if things go bad. We can't send the international message that we condone torture.

Torture is normally only condoned by world leaders whom we would risk thousands of American lives and hundreds of billions of dollars in order to unseat. Let's leave the torture covert.

Kathy   March 9th, 2008 4:48 pm ET

It is my opinion that Hillary and Barak should do what's best for the Democratic Party. At this point they need to agree to give the nod to Barak for democratic nominee with Hillary as Vice President. The momentum can then forge ahead and get the Republicans out of the White House, there are no guarantees that either one can defeat Mccain on their own and they need to combine their resources and focus on winning the Presidency.

Cris in Florida   March 9th, 2008 4:45 pm ET

Is this all you have Obama? and why are you night fighting for our vote in FLORIDA? Because you did not win our delegetes in Florida so we don't count?? I will never vote for you and never will.

An   March 9th, 2008 4:36 pm ET

What? did the clinton campaign respond to an attack from obama with just facts, void of any anger?? Thank you Hillary! Hopefully this will lead to these two candidates running on just facts an issues.

If not Obama then Hillary 2008 (the voice of a true democrat)

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