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Neither Obama or Clinton broke the rules regarding having the Florida and Michigan primary / caucus before Feb. 5, that was each of the states fault. They knew holding their primaries / caucuses was against the rules. Now they want their votes to be counted. The only way to fairly have these states count is to split them equally between the two candidates. If people in Florida and Michigan are complaining about not having their voices heard, they should be complaining to their own state because they are the ones who decided to break the rules. No other state or either of the candidates should have to foot the bill for these states to have a re-vote. Florida and Michigan's elected officials have silenced all of the voices in their states. Complain to them, not the DNC.

ALL OF YOU HAVE NOT GOT A CHANCE TO SEE HILLIARY FOR WHO SHE REALLY IS. SHE IS USING THE SAME OLD POLITICS TO GET WHAT SHE WANTS. EVERONE SAYS AND HAVE SAID THAT THEY WANT SOMETHING DIFFERENT AND BETTER FOR AMERICA AND THAT IS WHAT BARACK OBAMA HAS BEEN TALKING ABOUT. CHANGING THE WAY POLITICS IS DONE, APPARENTLY YOU ALL WANT THE SAME OLD POLITICS BECAUSE YOU THINKS HE'S WEAK. WELL I PUT IT LIKE THIS IF HILLIARY BECOMES THE NOMINEE I WILL BE CALLING ALL OF MY FRIENDS AND FAMILY AND ASK THEM NOT TO VOTE COME THE GENERAL ELECTION BECAUSE VOTING FOR HILLIARY IS LIKE VOTING FOR A REPUBLICAN. USE YOUR HEAD PEOPLE.

It's not fair to the voters to take away their votes. Obama is crying foul, but if he had won, there's no doubt in my mind he would be fighting tooth and nail to get these votes counted.
Obama's ads ran in Florida, and he was on the ballot. While he elected to take his name off the ballot (as did John Edwards) in Michigan, the other candidates did not, so I don't see how this is just Hillary Clinton "manipulating the system." It's bad enough with the electoral college that many voters don't feel they get their say; let their voices be heard.

This is turning out to be another 2000 and 2004 debacle. Fear brings brings desparation, desparate people do desparate things. Hillary is going to destroy the democratic party and we'll have to deal with another Republican in office. FAIR IS FAIR Hillary. Obama is whipping that behind in every way. Play fair and have some integrity Hillary. If she wins, I mean steel the nomination, I'LL WILL NEVER VOTE FOR A DEMOCRAT AGAIN! Go Barack, do your thing and keep your head up and stay on the high road!

Clinton has recently made a statement that pledged delegates do not have to vote with the popular vote of the district to which they were pledged. In theory true, but not a good practice.

Clinton's campaign is saying Florida and Michigan's delegates should be recognized, although they did not follow the rules.
She was previously in agreement with the DNC that the delegates should not be counted. That was when she thought she would have the election well in hand.

Now, that she is behind they should be seated. It will be interesting to see her position on a revote. My guess is she does not want that.

However, the most egregious statement that she has made to date is that John McCain and she have the experience on National Security to be Commander in Chief. Ignoring the fact that John McCain is saying to stay in Iraq as long as it takes, how could you feel comfortable as a democrat making that statement. Obama wants us out of the war, and presumably, she does. How could you feel comfortable making a statement like that, and putting the party at risk? That is not a statement of a person thinking about the good of the nation. Rather, it is self serving and speaks to her judgment and integrity.

By the way, although much older, Ronald Reagan (Gov Cal) had less experience than Barack Obama in dealing with international issues, yet he is probably the best president on foreign policy and relations of the last forty years. Economy, maybe a different question depending on who you talk, too.

If Michigan and Florida delegates are not seated then these Democrats should vote McCain on election day. There is already a group of over 10,000 ohioians that have pledged to do this and the citizens of these states should do it too. It is not the voters fault that the state establishment changed the primary date ahead. The democrat elected should be elected by ALL 50 states not 48.

"Therefore, for the democrats, please vote for Hillary Clinton, save the Party, and save the people from the mess!"

What mess? I thought the Party was just starting, LOL!!!!!

If Sen. Clinton were to have run a campaign ad in Florida, the Obama folks would have said she was breaking the rules. Why is Obama allowed to get away with this.. I mean.. rules are rules right? As far as Michigan goes.. why would anyone pull their name of the ballot in the first place?

Perfect No do overs I agree. That's opening a pandora's box. I want o run now in all the other states. Can I get a do over in all of them also?
Hillary is sounding like a replublican now!! Which doesn't surprise me. Maybe she never cheated on Bill but even at that should doesn't hold a candle to him. (Not to mention yuk) She's a win at all cost Clinton politician and will take the party down if that's what it atkes to win.

So, Let me see if I have this right. The Republican Governor and legislature changed the date of the democratic primary in Florida . Over a million Democrats took the time out of their busy day to go to the polls and make their choice. You all don’t think they should have the opportunity to cast their vote for the Democratic Candidate count? None of the candidates campaigned in Florida so they all had a level playing field. Why shouldn’t the results count? Because some didn’t like the results? Sure sounds like it to me.

Michigan and Florida knew the consequences when they made their decision.

If the DNC balks now, next election season it will be a free-for-all because nobody will believe the DNC will actually impose their punishments. We'll have Halloween primaries and an election cycle that's even longer and more expensive, making campaign reform that much more unlikely.

The Democrats in these two states should rise up and toss their state party leaders out of office.

"No do overs" That's part of the problem in America today, no worried about the consequences of their decisions. To put it frankly they made their bed now they need to sleep in it.

NO DREAM TICKET. PERIOD.

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Michigan and Florida broke the rules. The rules were agreed to by both of the candidates still in the race. Hillary wants to change the rules after the game has been played. The FL/MI votes should not count and the blame for this should be laid on the state parties and not on the DNC. They should divide the delegates 50/50 that way the votes count for something. Maybe they should give Hillary one extra delegate so she won't cry.

Giving them a chance for a new vote tells FL and MI that breaking rules is the way to go. They wanted their votes to count more than the rest and by letting them have a do-over you are allowing just that.

If you punish someone, do you compensate them later for their troubles?

I am sorry that the voters lost their voice, but they can push their anger to their state. Tell them to vote for new people that will not make this mess again and learn from yoru mistakes. Counting these votes or allowing a 2nd election ensures that another state will do this in 2012.

For Florida, if your name is on the ballot, you are in, whether you campaign there or not. On the Republican side, as same as Democratic presidential contests in the past, there are many unknown, weak candidates that cannot campaign in all states. Obama should have removed his name in Florida to be absolutely clean.

For MIchigan, there is only one candidate, this not right for Obama. Revoting is required.

I agree with George in that " obama can not have a chance in hell of winning, since there will be no caucuses in the general election"
Therefore, for the democrats, please vote for Hillary Clinton, save the Party, and save the people from the mess!

wow this is what its come to the level of these so called educated Obama supporters is very low. can we talk about an issue that will benefit this nation pls.
QUESTION… DIDN'T OBAMA MAKE THE SAME 3am AD REPLY? AND WASN'T THAT ALSO FEAR MONGERING? To the changed America HE is proposing i hope DOUBLE STANDARDS are not a norm!!!!

1-Obama and camp throws dirt its ok, but hillary throws dirt she's washington as usually
2-Obama and camp call hillary a monster its ok and repeated by most supporter its ok, but she is acused of being the racist.
3-Hillary makes a 3am readyness add she's fear mongering, but Obama makes sAme 3am fear mongering response ad, SILENCE he's let of the hook for the same thing Hillary did WHAT CHANGED WORLD IS THIS!!!!!!!
All i want is lets have the same standard for everyone
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INSTEAD OF RAISING 30 MILLION TO CAST A RE-VOTE IN FLORIDA AND MICHIGAN I SAY SPLIT THE VOTE EQUALLY AND GET ON WITH IT. CLINTON DIDN'T PROTEST WHEN SHE SIGNED THE DOCUMENT EVERYONE ELSE DID. ANOTHER INTERESTING POINT IS HOW DO YOU KEEP REPUBLICANS FROM RE-REGISTERING AS DEMOCRATS AND THROWING THE RACE CLINTONS WAY. WE ALL KNOW THEY'D RATHER RUN AGAINST HER. THE CLINTONS DON'T NEED US TO RAISE 30 MILLION TO RIGG THE ELECTION. BUT I THINK WE SHOULD STILL RAISE THE 30 MILLION AND SEND IT TO THE GULF COAST STATES SO THAT AMERICAN CITIZENS HAVE A PLACE TO SLEEP AND FOOD TO EAT. JUST MAKE SURE YOU SEND PEOPLE WHO REALLY DO WANT CHANGE ALONG WITH THE MONEY.

Mr. Dean when will this flip-flopping rules madness end? Stand firm on the rules and Move On. The DNC had spoken on the issue before the primary season began. If you change the rules now, the Republicans will have a Flip-Flop party with you over this in November. Whichever candidate is pressuring you to change the DNC's rules, Be the adult in the DNC to end the spoiled brat's nonsense. FOLLOW THE AGREED RULES-GO Democrats, beat McCain!

The governors in both states should be thrown out of office. Both knew the rules. That’s like telling the state trooper who pulled you over that you knew the sign said 55 MPH speed limit, but you thought you were above the law and now you are appalled that he is giving you a ticket for doing 70 MPH. I can't imagine what example this is to our kids about being rewarded for not following the rules. Dividing up the delegates would accomplish what we need. First, it would allow for the delegates to be seated and second, it would be a reminder to states in the future that you cannot just knowingly and openly disobey the rules and then play the victim later. We cannot and must not reward this behavior!!!

How disturbing it’s 2008 and we are still dealing with you know what. The United States of America, home of the free, liberty and justice for all…..right! Hurdle after hurdle and Senator Barrack Obama still comes out on top but yet we find another way to say “no, no, no”, not yet. We need a do over in MI and FL because cry baby poo poo pants is not winning. If Barrack Obama was Brock O’Sullivan the DNC would tell Hillary to shut up and sit down, you agree to these rules in the first place and tell MI & FL the same, since they knew very well what they were doing, when they decided to move up their primaries. If reaching the required delegate count is impossible without these two states then there is no question who should pay for it. The two idiot states that cause this problem…duh! How pathetic and this is America……..????????

Whatever the DNC, Florida and Michigan decide to do, they need to open up a paper and see that last month 65,000 jobs were lost and the country is now in a recession, before they ask the people to pay for the re-vote.

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This is what Michelle Obama so eloquently stated as, "the ever moving and raising of the bar."

It is very sad that in 2008 a certain group of people still feel a subconcious previledge to be superior.

I feel as Michelle does. I want better for my daughter as well.

Listen up people......Terri McAuliffe was the DNC chairman when Fla & Mic. were stripped of their delegates. He enforced these rules......
Terri McAuliffe is now HRC's campaign manager and wants his rules reversed!!! This whole debacle is a sleazy, self-serving manuver. Why isn't any new media calling them on this????

FOR EVERY VOTE TO COUNT YOU HAVE TO COUNT EVERY VOTE!

Sorry Dean, you flubbed up. You can't play "tough guy" very well. When you do, you loose sight of the big picture.

Let the states decide what they are going to do. The created the problem, let them fix it and leave it at that.

It is also to refuse to disclose an active Fraud case that the Clintons are involved in California right now!!! She has not been vetted.

Yes, the hypocrisy is sickening and the Republicans use it against her if she steals the nomination, and Obama supporters will Vote for Ralph Nader if she steals it. Ralph Nader will have more votes than he has ever had in his history of running for President!

Clinton-Obama ticket:
Typical Clinton shameless arrogance, this is the only way she gets on the ticket when she looses the popular vote and has the Obama supporters not abandon her, AND puts herself on top too!!
I'll bet Obama never was on her list 6 months ago.
If you don't see this is all just to save her political aspirations, WAKE UP!
Either democrat will win, NY, NJ Calif, but he has demonstared that can flip some red states.
This is a slam dunk for Obama to refuse the "dream-ticket" and he does not need to share her tirades with Bill either!

By rule the superdelegates can also chose to vote for Hillary regardless of the pledged delegates that BO has.

The reality is that if MI and FL are blown off by the DNC the registered Democratic voters in those states will likely sit out the general. I know that I would.

This is absurd! The Hillary campaign has made it very clear that every state should get a vote. Every person should get their vote.

Hillary Clinton cares deeply about every single sta-... Oh what's that? She's in Pennsylvania on the eve of the Mississippi primary? Oh... MY MISTAKE! SHE ONLY CARES ABOUT STATES THAT SHE NEEDS TO WIN!

but obama doesnt have a chance in hell of winning.. there will be no caucuses in the nov election.
and i for one, will not let this election go to red states that voted for him just to push our real chance at the white house out dont be fooled again dems…Wake up people and get out there and fight for whats ours….im glad that Texas and Ohio dumped out the kool aid…

Democrats should be ashamed of the Hillary Clinton camp. If the Clintons keep this up, they will severely hurt any Democrat chances of being elected President in November.

Florida and Michigan broke the rules. Republican Florida Gov. Crist knew the rules had been broken but signed the legislation moving up the primary with the help of a Republican controlled state-legislature . There is more legitimacy in Florida's claim of counting delegates as is. Michigan doesn't have an excuse. Hillary's name was the only one on the ballot. A Clinton supporter, Democratic Michigan Gov. Granholm, signed the legislation moving up the primary. Gov. Granholm could have vetoed the primary move-up. Voters in the state of Michigan should be angry at Gov. Granholm!

Obama in 08!

She's trying to run a close second to George W. Bush on cheating to win. Sad. The Clintons USED to have a legacy... she has almost tarnished it beyond repair.

Hillary is not breaking the rules. The rules allow for Florida and Michigan to re-do their primaries, and the Obama campaign is not objecting - the DNC just doesn't want to pay for the re-dos. The people of Florida and Michigan had nothing to do with the decisions to move forward their primaries. If re-dos are possible, it seems pretty nuts and unfair to the people of Florida and Michigan not to have them - the only people objecting would be people like KJ and Gary, who just want their candidate to win, no matter how.

I think that the American people for Obama will boycott the system if let they Hillary get away with this election fraud. Okay enough is enought. While Hillary and her campaign can sit around and drum up ideas of how to attack Obama and overturn the Democrat household, why can't they overturn her tax returns? No because that is not what the Democrat Election is thinking about. Hillary don't have to follow rules like everyone else because she is special. So be it and when it comes to November and she is on the ballot for President, then the Democratic ticket will be sorry that the Republicans took the White House again because of stupidty of the election committee to have a voice in what Hillary is doing to the American People. Stop her now before we loose this race.

IT LOOKS LIKE THE DELEGATE RACE COULD BECOME VERY TIGHT. AND IF IT IS UNDER A HUNDRED DELEGATES COME CONVENTION TIME IT IS SO CLOSE THE SUPER DELEGATES WILL REALLY NOT BE LIMITED TO CHOSING ONE OR ANOTHER BASED ON THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE. IF SOMEONE HAS A DELGATE LEAD OF ABOUT 150 OR MORE LIKE 200 THEN IT IS MORE TELLING BUT IF NOT. LET THE SUPERS CHOSE WHO THEY THINK WILL WIN IN NOVEMBER.....OBAMA IS NOT A BAD PERSON, BUT BECAUSE OF HIS TOTAL LACK OF EXPERINCE HE IS NOT ABLE TO COUNTER THE ATTACKS (ALTHOUGH VERY LIGHT SO FAR) THAT HAVE COME HIS WAY. AND I DONT THINK THAT HE WILL STAND MUCH OF A CHANCE IF THE REPUBLICANS PUT FORTH ANY EFFORT ON PUSHING THE ISSUES AND QUESTION HIS EXPERIENCE, QUALIFICATIONS, OR HIS STANCE ON MANY TOUGH ISSUES THAT ARE OUT THERE. AND WITH HIS NAFTA-CANADA DEAL, AND THE FACT THAT SPEACHES ABOUT CHANGE AND HOPE WILL NOT DEFLECT EVERY OTHER POINT BROUGHT UP BY ANYONE WHO IS AGAINST HIM, I THINK HE IS A MUCH WEAKER CANNIDATE THAN MANY PEOPLE SEE HIM AS. EVEN WITH THE BIG BLOWS HE HAS TAKEN FROM HILLARY, AND HER NOT SEAMING TO WANT TO PUSH HIM TO MUCH ON IT. I THINK MCCAIN WILL BREAK HIM UNDER THE PRESSURE IF HE IS PUT THERE. SO LETS GET HILLARY THERE TO FIGHT IT OUT AGAINST MCCAIN, AND ASK OBAMA TO GIVE US SOME HOPE AS A V.P. AND THEN IN 4-8 YEARS WHEN HE CAN SEE WHAT IT TAKES TO GET THERE WE CAN PUT HIM UP AND EXPECT HIM TO WIN. AND A FURTHER NOTE. LETS RE-DO IF POSSIBLE THE MICHIGAN PRIMARY, IT WAS NOT FAIR THE FIRST TIME. AND AS FAR AS THE FLROIDA CONTEST, I DONT SEE HOW IT COULD HAVE BEEN ANY FAIRER. NO ONE CAMPAINGED, MADE APPEARENCES, OR HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT AND THE POEPLE VOTED. EVERYONES NAMES WERE ON THE BALLETS. SO LET THOSE VOTES AND DELEGATES STAND WHERE THEY WERE CAST!!! AND NO MATTER WHAT, WE HAVE TO SEAT ALL OF THE FLORIDA AND MICHIGAN DELEGATS EVEN IF THERE IS NO RE-DO. WE NEED THEM THERE TO SETTLE THIS OUT, AND THE QUICKER THE BETTER!! THANKS.

OBAMA DIDN'T ABIDE BY THE RULES!!!!

He ran a national campaign ad on CNN in the days leading up to the Florida primary. His ads appeared on televisions ALL OVER THE STATE OF FLORIDA!!!

Stop blaming Hillary for everything. This is getting stupid. Women are so much more hated than men in this country and it seems so much easier to blame the woman. Some men and women in this country do not want women to get ahead for their sexist reasons.

Please remember, Obama took his own name off the Michigan ballot. Hillary is smart, she left her name on the ballot. So, do not blame Hillary for that.

I also think most people complain about Hillary because she is a smart woman and will not be played. Good for her. Millions of people love Hillary and this race is not only about Obama. Read some of the articles from newspapers and you will see that a larger majority of Hillary supporters will vote for MicCain than Obama supporters will vote for McCain. We are moderates and Reagan Democrats. We appreciate the hardwork Hillary has performed for the Country over these many years, and we do not look kindly upon some newbie who gives good speeches and saying he is qualified to be commander-in-chief or has any knowledge about the economy. For Christ's sake, all he has been is a community organizer in a community that is still dysfunctional and a person who votes 'present' and has not even held one meeting of the committee his is the chairman of because he is too busy running for President.

America will not vote for Obama for President.

The Florida and Michigan voters have the right to have their vote heard just like the rest of us. Have a fair revote.

However, HILLARY DO NOT WANT ALL THE VOTES COUNTED! She is now saying that pledged delegates can and should change their vote if we want. You can't be on both sides of this issue Hillary.

We, the American people, have the right to have our vote counted! If Hillary believes that she can munipulate the fundamental principle of our country to gain power for herself, what else will she do?? How can we trust her to be our President?!?!?

Keep It Simple: Is my answer to the Florida, Michigan question
1. Simply award each canidate half of the delegates from each state.
2. Seat both states at the convention.
3. This seem to be a WIN/ WIN/WIN (CANIDATES, PARTY, & STATES)

People, when will we realize that there are consequences to our actions. I feel poorly for the voters of FL and MI but the states went ahead with their plans to move primaries up knowing that the DNC had ruled against such a move. Perhaps if all of these voters were more involved in in the actual political process, rather than simply casting a vote this would not have happened.

I believe that as a consequence of moving the elections up the delegates up for grabs in those two states should be null and void. What sort of example are we setting if we allow actions without consequences. There is a lesson to be learned here and its no different than the way that we function in society on a daily basis. Play by the rules and enjoy the fruits of the society in which we live.

Now let me see if I understand the Rules:
1) Delegate can only be counted from states holding primary style elections.
2) States holding primary elections, but do not support Hillary are automatically disregarded, marginalize and open to ridicule.
3) Candidate who receive the majority of the delegates win the nomination, unless of course that result renders a victory for Obama
4) In which case the candidate who receives the most popular votes wins (as long as we exclude voters from non-primary states) unless the result still favors Obama;
5) In which case, the DNC shall make every effort possible to redo Fla & MI primaries in such a way as to ensure a victory for Hillary;
6) And in the event that the above still does not render the desired results, the media outlets will take it upon themselves to work with the Clinton camp to secure the necessary super-delegate count to secure a FAIR victory for the Honorable Senator from New York.
7) And if in the unlikely event that the above rules still fail to secure a Clinton nomination, previously pledged delegates may (and should) be encouraged to overturn the will of their constituents and bow to the will of Her Highness.

Did I miss anything?

Some nerve Hilary has...If she was ahead right now Michigan and Florida would not be an issue. I am sick and tired of how the Clinton campaign keeps redefining this process to suit their needs. Oh no, momentum does not matter, only delgates do, so said the Clinton campaign. Then she fell behind, won two States and all of a sudden momentum matters, delegates don't. Give me a break. When she thought she might lose Texas, Texas was no longer important. Once she won Texas, (not delegates mind you) then Texas suddenly became important.

And what is up with that? Barack Obama as Hilary's Vice President??? Excuse me but who is ahead right now? I guess the Clintons believe that if you say it enough times it will stick. I am not understanding their argument. He is not experienced enough to be Commander-in-Chief but he IS qualified enough to be number #2. And if anything happens to her as President, who should take over? Oh I forgot, the same guy who is not good enough to be President. Hilary's personal quest to be President is sickening. She cares about the Clinton's and the Clinton's only.

Also, in the begining it seemed to be accepted knowledge that the Florida and Michigan delgates were out, this was common knowledge and no one, even Clinton was making a fuss going into those primary's; now that they want to try and steal the notmination it's become such a huge issue.

If she was so concerned about the voters in these states why did she not bring this up in the begining when they were orignally stripped of the delegates; why did she agree to support the DNC decision at that time?

Can someone say flip-flop. . .

Rules might be rules, but they have to change, this is a close election and these states are swing states. They don't go to democrats, they don't go to republicans, they can go either way. Not including them in a close race would only make certain the republicans win these states in the GE. In an election so close, sometimes you have to bend the rules. The only reason why you Obama supporters don't want the rules to change now, is because it might not benefit your candidate, if it did, you would be yelling for them to be counted.

Again democrats can't be the party that in 2000 complains when voters are disenfrachised and then do the same in 2008.

Both candidates agreed to these rules from day one. Hillary said in her victory speeches that she knows that these delegates will not count so she is now trying to change the rules because it will boost her tally for she is behind. I t will be very unfair to the Obama tally, and if this is to be done split it in half to both candidates. This goes to show what kind of president she will be, will do anything to get her way even if she has to break the rules. Not good example for a president, wife and mother. Democrats wake up and take the scales off your eyes and open your ears

It seems to me that the Clinton campaign keeps throwing out the idea of a "Dream Ticket" lately. . .

This seems to be an acknowledgment that they can't win the general election without him, the states that she won are likely to end up as blue states in a general election regardless, Obama has the ability to flip the key purple and even some red states in his favor.

He is the strongest contender in the general election, the GOP is just itching for a chance to run against her. . . why don't people get it?

My problem is this I understand what both Fla. and Mich. did was a violation of the rules but at the same time you can not fault the voters who went out and made their voices heard, only to turn around and say your voice doesn't count because your gov. screwed up. Fla. votes should stay as is and be counted because all political nominees were on the ballot with that said Mich. should have a do over only because not all the canidates were are on the ballot. Every voice should count including Fla. and Mich. It is your right as an American to have your vote count and in a race this close it is only fair!!

It always amazes me how people will fight to be rewarded for barking the rules. am sorry fro the democrats in these two states, but they were warned that if they break the rules their delegates will not be sited at the convention. What the Clinton campaign is fighting for now?
How i see it is like this. A man was told that if he sexually molested his child it is against the law and that the child will be taken away from him. He goes right ahead and sexually molest the child. the child has been taken away from him and now he if fighting to get the child back in his house.

Whats the point of this?
when you break the rules there are consequences to be faced. these two states must now face the consequences of their actions. what type of president will Hillary be if she supports breaking the rules.

hillary did not campaign in either state also, what rule did she exactly break? even tho some snicky politicians ran television ads in florida.

People, please take note of the fact that more Republicans turned out to vote in both of these states than Democrats. There are only two other states where that was the case. Many people didn't vote because the believed it would not count. Counting that vote would disenfranchise these MI and FL people.

A do-over is fair, but agreeing to rules and then trying to change them is not.

Also, if those votes were counted, what happens next primary season when states decide when to hold their primary? Are we going to have a national primary–all on the same day?

I was going to comment but Gary in Toronto has said everything I'd like to say.

major candidate – play on words – kucinich was on the ballot in michigan and he only mentioned michigan because obama was on the ballot in florida. they push no politics of old, obama supporters don't get offended and lash back at me just be open minded.

The states knew they were committing illegal primaries and they knew what the penalty would be for doing so. Therefore, there should not be any re-vote and the delegates should not count. That is what is suppose to happen in this country when you do something illegal you get punished. Or at least that is what suppose to happen.

Side note: if Obama had won those states, would Clinton still want those states to count? I doubt it!

There is absolutely no good argument for seating the delegates as apportioned by the primaries that already occured in Florida and Michigan, so let's put that idea to rest.

1. Our states (I'm a Floridian) were well aware of the consequences, yet our legislatures chose to move our primaries up anyway. We can't fight for the rules to be changed after the fact. Don't be upset with the Democrat Party, people, be upset with the state legislature. And now Charlie "Conflict of Interest" Crist is fighting for the votes to count - while at the same time campaigning across the country for John McCain. In fact, he's at the top of the list for likely McCain running mates. So why is he trying so hard to influence the Democrat race? Why are Hillary Clinton and Charlie Crist fighting so hard for the same goal?

2. None of the candidates campaigned in Florida and Michigan leading up to the primaries, and only Hillary Clinton's name was on the ballot in Michigan. Any person who is truly being honest with him/herself knows that the situation rendered the votes fundamentally unfair.

3. No one was pushing so hard for the delegates to be seated prior to the primaries, especially not Hillary Clinton. If the concern was truly about the voters being disenfranchised, then she would have been fighting for it since September. But she has a pattern of trying to have the rules changed at the last minute when it benefits her and claiming she's doing for the good of the people - remember the Nevada caucus? And the Texas caucus?

If there is a "do-over" vote, I will gladly participate. But there is NO WAY that the votes should count from the primaries that already occured.

KJ...of ....CA .....I'm with you on all that you said and MI and FL should be up set with their State Parties......but then again they should be upset themself..... because they pick the people and put them in that party for their State....maybe they will start to think who they are putting into their State Parties the next time they vote for their state......So they what have this problem the next time....FL it dont pay to take do it ........remember what happen in FL a few election ago(Bush)........So like you told America to deal with it then.....Well America is saying Deal with what happen NOW!

If Hillary Clinton were ahead in the pledged delegates right now, this wouldn't be an issue. I do feel that the states should pay for their own re-election, since their own party leaders broke the rules.

MAIL IN VOTES! Who are the voters! DOes that mean anybody
who owns a pen can vote. What about the dearly missed
DECEASED? Do they get to vote? Or maybe their relatives
can vote for THEM. A REAL PRIMARY with NO counting the
previous absentee votes. Because opinions have changed
about Hillary and Bill drastically!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OBAMA FOR PRESIDENT NEVER VICE PRESIDENT FOR
A LIAR, WE TWO LIARS IF YOU INCLUDE BILL.

Obama's hypocrisy is the one that is sickening. He flip flops on the role of superdelegates, with the current decision that since they won't help his candidacy they are undemocratic and will disinfranchise the votes of countless americans. Sorry, but last time I checked FL and MI voters were Americans too. Why is it ok to disinfranchise them, because yes that is exactly what his campaign is saying! "Rules are rules" only apply when they help a candidate. And I would bet my last dollar had Obama won MI and FL he would be fighting with his life for those votes.

Also, FL and MI voters should wisen up: Sen. Obama appears not to want your voices heard, otherwise he would be agreeing with Hillary that your votes need to be counted. Vote for the person who wants your voice heard, not the one who only wants some voices heard!

Hillary 08

KJ of CA: the superdelegates can change their vote...ever hear of a floor fight? Obama ran ads in Florida contrary to the agreement. He was on the ballot. HE REMOVED HIMSELF from the Michigan ballot...not sure why but he did!

Count Florida as is and do over the primary in MI>

Michigan and Florida leaders decided to break the rules and now we are going to reward them for doing so, not only are they going to get the reward but they are going to have the HORNOR of essentially choosing the nominee. How is this fair to the other states the followed the RULES? This is a JOKE, but I am not surprised fairness in a democratic process, HA!!! And we want to be an example to other nations on how Democracy works, Right. The voters of these states need to be angry with their local officials and should have stood up at the time they were told that they would not be seated if they moved their primary dates. Just plan crazy what and example of justice….Rules why do we have them. Now (some/most/all) the voters and local officials in these states are going to BULLY the DNC to have a do over when it was their local officials that put them in this situation.

~Frustrated

People like those above must be closet Republicans. If Michigan and Florida delegates are not seated at the convention and or counted, the Democratic party can kiss their candidate Good bye.Somehow they even try to blame Hillary Clinton. This is America, not Kenya, we don't settle our election by revolutions, we do it by votes. The Reublican lesgislature set the election date for Florida and Democrats tried to amend it, but they are in a minority and they failed. The Republican Govenor signed the bill. So don't blame Florida voters, they had no other choice.

It's possible HIllary will win the popular vote...will the Obama people accept that? Hardly...they create the rules according to where their candidate is. Look at the Newsweek poll: the race is neck and neck with McCain and the second choice for many Hillary supporters is McCain.

The only reason why Michigan only had Clinton's name on it was because all the candidates made THEIR OWN CHOICE to withdraw their names. This was not part of the agreement that Clinton made but something the others did on their own. Stop buying the Obama spin that somehow he honored the pledge in Michigan and Hillary did not. As for Florida they were all on equal footing, all stated that they would not campaign and did not (except for some fundraisers and Obama's national TV ad) and all had an equal chance to get voters to support them and more chose to support Hillary.

This has voter fraud written all over it! These two states have already shown that they have no respect for the rules so I wouldn't trust the results. Why would the republicans be pushing so hard for this? They already have a Nominee. Obama needs to stop playing nice with these Mafioso Clintons and start being a little more aggressive.

By the way...Can someone please mention the results for the Texas Caucuses or are they still trying to find a way to give that to Hillary too.

OBAMA '08

Yes, if Obama won Michigan and Florida, you'd see Obama still saying the same thing: play by the rules that were set. And you'd see Hillary's position flip to the polar opposite: rules are rules.

And that is one major negative that tarnishes Hillary's career. Doing the opportunistic, self-serving thing instead of the right and/or prudent thing.

Another major negative is the incredible hypocrasy that she emanates. The plagiarism charges that she's more guilty of than Obama is. The Canadian wink-nod charges that she's more guilt of than Obama is. The "monster" condemnation despite swift, decisive denouncement by the Obama campaign itself, compared with her comparing Obama to "Karl Rove". The list goes on and on.

The final major negative is her lack of grace when losing. After how many primaries and caucuses had she chosen not to congratulate the people of those states as well as her opponent? Nothing shows her lack of character more.

I wish the Clinton campaign would stop sending messages as if I support her. I wrote to her at the beginning of the race telling her how she did not convince me and to prove why I should vote for her. The only thing I have received back is " donate, donate, donate". Well Hillary, instead of inspiring my, you dessilutioned me and now I am a woman. latino, and senior for Obama. He is more straightforward and serious than you. He gives me hope, and you may claim he is not experienced, but the only thing you have showed me is a curriculum vitae. Besides, you are so arrogant!!!!

Obama gave a great answer "fair and reasonable".......to bad hillary can't muster up a seed of honor, integrity or character.

Hillar Clinton is a "monster", she'll stoop to anything to get elected!

All this conversation about playing by the rules is so boring. If Baraka Obama becomes president, does that mean he's going to be giving us lectures us on fairness for the next 4 years (or 8).

The rules were set over a year ago. Why is it such an issue now? I'll tell you why, Hillary Clinton. She didn't object then, why now? because she needs the delegates. Split the delegates 50/50; and please let's move on.

everyone knew what the rules were going in. both the campaigns, the republican controlled state legislature (who asked that the primary be moved up) and the DNC. both clinton and obama followed the rules. neither campaigned in florida or michigan. obama and edwards chose to remove their names from the michigan ballot and asked their constituents to cast their vote as uncommitted. clinton chose to leave her name on the michigan ballot. all of the candidates chose to have their names on the florida ballot.

the voters in both states voted. everyone in the country is entitled to one vote. to hold a "do over" would mean changing the rules in the middle of the game. it is a shame that these votes will not count in the primary, but again all parties knew this from the beginning.

I do not think they should hold another election. It is costly and the opportunity for voter fraud is high. they should either count the votes as they are or don't count them at all. As heidi klum would say on Project Runway, "either you are in or you are out".

I was impressed with the following post in another thread:
"I say give Hillary her 55% of the Florida delegates that she won (115) and give Obama the rest (95). Give Hillary the 50% she won in Michigan (78) and Obama the rest (78). She's still never going to catch him." I makes perfect sense to me, and avoids the possibility of Republicans making mischief in an open Democratic primary.

CNN: What dos it take to get a comment posted around here?

I now know what her 35 years of experience under Bill includes

Deception
Trickery
Lying
Stealing
Concealing
Double Talk
Cheating
Belittling
Pandering
Win at All Cost
Cry when you Must seem vunerable
Yell when you must seem like a fighter
Be Sarcastic when you must seem Superior

Just a very bad list of On the Job Training!

OBAMA '08

Is anyone going to blame the governors for this mess? Democrats in Fla should be outraged with their state not the party.

Split the delegates 50/50 and let's keep it moving in Michigan. Florida's delegates aren't going to help Clinton overtake the pledged delegate lead based on the proportions. It would however be unfair to Obama who didn't campaign in Florida when Hillary made several trips to the state and mentioned that state several times after she was demolished in South Carolina. She indirectly campaigned in the state.

Stop letting Clinton dictate the rules of the game. She is a junior senator from New York with 7 years of elected experience, who is unelectable in a national race. She is either 1 or 1a when it comes to most polarizing person in this country. Stop pandering to her. She will bring the party down one way or another. Either by destroying the credibility of Obama or getting blown out in the general election.

Hillary is so evil and dishonest . She will work to change the rules when she is down. If she was leading this race right now these petty issues would be non-issues. This evil woman is desperate!!!
Very desperate!!!!

She has sacrified a lot and she feels entitled to the Presidency.
If Hillary cared at all about the democrat party she would go away.

It is clear that the majority of the American people do not want her.
I wish she would stop with her hateful dishonest tactics.

Obama is an honorable man. He could have gone negative on Hillary at the beginning of the campaign. I respect his integrity and his ability to stay above the bar on this negative campaign that Hillary is trying to wage against him. Hillary is sucking on lemons.

Smart People for OBAMA

OBAMA for PRESIDENT 2008!!!!!!

I would just like to say that as much as Obama claims that Hillary was the one who kept her name on the Michigan ballot (personally, they all should have), let us not forget that Obama made it a point to have HIS NAME on the Florida ballot. He can't cry about it.

MI and FLA have only their governors and state legislatures to blame. He doesn't want to say anything because he doesn't want to risk the fact that he may lose. So stop blaming everything on Hillary.

The problem is that it has to be Democratic voters only, not the unenrolled voters who could cross over to either side.

If I were living in those two states, I would make it a point to vote in the next election and get rid of your own state government who did this to you.

Obama has lost New York, California, Ohio, and Texas. He's going to lose Florida and Michigan. Oh.... but he won Wyoming, Hawaii and a bunch of small states where they held caucuses( where not everyone votes). He will get crushed in a general election against McCain.

Obama broke the rules in Florida and lost anyway, he ran ads. Hillary did not break the rules in Michigan. There wasn't a rule about removing your name from the ballot. Edwards and Obama removed their names, Hillary and the others did not. Obama did campaign for the uncommited vote to be cast in lieu of his name. Sounds like he is crying over spilled milk.

I want a do-over vote too!!

I know all the Obama people think that Clinton is just looking out for herself, but here's the shocker, she is actually looking out for the better good of the party as well as herself. We can't have two huge states democrats left out and then come November not vote, or worse vote for McCain. They have to be heard, and if it tilts Hillary to the win or Barak, at least all voices were heard. The people of Florida and Michigan were not at fault, we are the United States Of America where all voices should be heard. If it is the fault of their elected officials, all that will be sorted out when they come up for re-election. Let the re-vote happen, and accept it. Either way Hillary or Barrack will be better than Bush..

As a Michigan voter. I want my vote to count. I recall in Jan, 2008, in the Detroit papers Debbie Dingell ask voters to vote uncommitted for Obama or Edwards. Since, no matter how hard she tried they kept their names off the ballot. Seeing how the Michigan vote went, Obama and Edwards decided to keep their names on the ballot in Florida. Florida and Michigan votes should stand, and delegates proportional divided according to the vote. Why waste more tax payers money.

Obama's hypocrisy is the one that is sickening. He flip flops on the role of superdelegates, with the current decision that since they won't help his candidacy they are undemocratic and will disinfranchise the votes of countless americans. Sorry, but last time I checked FL and MI voters were Americans too. Why is it ok to disinfranchise them, because yes that is exactly what his campaign is saying! "Rules are rules" only apply when they help a candidate. And I would bet my last dollar had Obama won MI and FL he would be fighting with his life for those votes. Get over it.

Also, FL and MI voters should wisen up: Sen. Obama appears not to want your voices heard, otherwise he would be agreeing with Hillary that your votes need to be counted. Vote for the person who wants your voice heard, not the one who only wants some voices heard!

This party needs to get the primaries over with, not extend them.

Obama's hypocrisy is the one that is sickening. He flip flops on the role of superdelegates, with the current decision that since they won't help his candidacy they are undemocratic and will disinfranchise the votes of countless americans. Sorry, but last time I checked FL and MI voters were Americans too. Why is it ok to disinfranchise them, because yes that is exactly what his campaign is saying! "Rules are rules" only apply when they help a candidate. And I would bet my last dollar had Obama won MI and FL he would be fighting with his life for those votes. Get over it.

Also, FL and MI voters should wisen up: Sen. Obama appears not to want your voices heard, otherwise he would be agreeing with Hillary that your votes need to be counted.

Obama's hypocrisy is the one that is sickening. He flip flops on the role of superdelegates, with the current decision that since they won't help his candidacy they are undemocratic and will disinfranchise the votes of countless americans. Sorry, but last time I checked FL and MI voters were Americans too. Why is it ok to disinfranchise them, because yes that is exactly what his campaign is saying! "Rules are rules" only when they help a candidate. And I would bet my last dollar had Obama won MI and FL he would be fighting with his life for those votes. Get over it.

Also, FL and MI voters should wisen up: Sen. Obama appears not to want your voices heard, otherwise he would be agreeing with Hillary that your votes need to be counted.

RULES ARE RULES. TO REVOTE WOULD BE COSTLY AND STILL NOT FAIR! I SUGGEST THE DELEGATES BE SEATED AT CONVENTION WITH NEITHER CANDIDATE GETTING ANY DELEGATES OR SPLITTING THE DELEGATES RIGHT DOWN THE MIDDLE. HILLARY'S CAMP IS PUSHING SO HARD FOR THIS FOR THEIR OWN BENEFIT AND HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE VOTERS OF FL OR MI. SHE AND THE GOVERNORS OF THOSE STATES ARE NOT LOOKING OUT FOR THEIR VOTERS' INTEREST; SIMPLY TRYING TO GET HILLARY TO WIN!!!!!!!!!!!
IF SHE WAS AHEAD, I SERIOUSLY DON'T THINK SHE WOULD BE PUSHING SO HARD FOR THIS. FAIR IS FAIR AND RULES ARE RULES. THE GOVERNORS OF THOSE STATES CAUSE THIS PROBLEM AND THEY WERE AWARE OF THE CONSEQUENCES OF THEIR ACTIONS AND NOW THEY ARE SAYING THEY HAVE THE VOTERS' BEST INTEREST AT HEART. ANY PERSON CAN SEE THE ISSUE BEHIND THIS. HILLARY'S CAMP IS STILL USING THE WIN BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY STRATEGY!

All things were equal in Florida, count them. Re-do Michigan since Obama was too stupid to leave his name on the ballot. Hillary was not the only democrat on the ballot in Michigan, only Obama and Edwards were off.

It would be nice to bookend the Clinton campaigns comments about how awful it would be to disenfranchise voters in these specific states (where she feels it would help her) with her new tack that those elected pledged delegates from other states who support her opponent are "free to change their votes". Apparently she isn't that concerned about disenfranchising Obama supporters.

I find the hypocrisy sickening...

The rules are the rules are the rules are the rules – beginning and end of story. This wouldn't even be an issue if Hillary were ahead right now but because she isn't she has to stir up a hornets nest.

The parties of Michigan and Florida knew what was up when they made their decisions. The two candidates knew what was up – Barack Obama followed the rules, Hillary Clinton did not. It is a shame that the voters of those two states have been put in the middle of this – but the candidates didn't do it, their state parties did.