(CNN) - Illinois Sen. Barack Obama has won the Texas Democratic caucuses and will get more delegates out of the state than his rival, Sen. Hillary Clinton, who won the state's primary, according to CNN estimates.
Under the Texas Democratic Party's complex delegate selection plan, Texas voters participated in both a primary and caucuses on March 4. Two-thirds of the state's 193 delegates were at stake at the primary, while the remaining third were decided by the caucuses.
An additional 35 superdelegates were not tied to either contest. Clinton, of New York, defeated Obama in the primary by a 51-47 percent margin. But results of the caucuses were up in the air on election night and for several days afterward, due to state party rules that did not require local caucus officials to report their results to a centralized location.
Partial caucus results, representing 41 percent of all caucus precincts, showed Obama last week with 56 percent of the county-level delegates chosen at the caucuses to 44 percent for Clinton. The state party says it will not be able to provide a further breakdown of the caucus results from March 4.
After a comprehensive review of these results, CNN estimates that Obama won more support from Texas caucus-goers than Clinton. Based on the state party's tally, Obama's caucus victory translates into 38 national convention delegates, compared to 29 for Clinton.
And though Clinton won more delegates than Obama in the primary, 65 to 61, Obama's wider delegate margin in the caucuses gives him the overall statewide delegate lead, 99 to 94 - or once superdelegate endorsements are factored in, 109 to 106.
CNN's estimate is based on a statistical review, which combined the county-level results provided by the state party with data from the U.S. Census, exit polls and telephone surveys.
That analysis showed that the counties that reported data to the state party last week appear to be a representative cross-section of the Texas population. The analysis also indicates that areas that were won by Obama reported results at essentially the same rate as areas that were won by Clinton.
Every procedure used to statistically model the outcome of the caucuses indicated that Obama had more support than Clinton.
The next step in the delegate-selection process will occur on March 29, when the county-level delegates chosen at the March 4 caucuses will meet in county conventions held across the state. CNN will closely monitor those events and will adjust its delegate estimate for Obama and Clinton, if necessary, based on those results at that time.
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What did Bill Clinton say about winning both Ohio AND Texas?
Let's see those tax returns, or is that another statement that you are going to have to back away from Hillary?
SO when will you all retract her "BIG WIN!!!!!" Chants and Boasts??
(I am actually giggleing over here right now.)
3 words! YES WE CAN!
So, in other words Obama won Texas. Time for Hillary to be true to her words and drop out!
projections... give me a break... wait for the final count that will not be ready until 3/29... everyone counted her out during the primary and guess what she won... as you would say "too close to call"
I s this new...wikipedia has had the margin at 99-94 for days now.
So now that CNN have corrected their mistake on Texas will you get round to changing your primary scoreboard? It would be a shame to give hope to those poor delusional souls backing Hillary that they stand a chance without her breaking her promises on Michigan and Florida (being a Clinton of course being a two-faced liar comes naturally so it won't upset her too much but it might upset the fools backing her). It also debunks the myth that she wins the "Big" states. The main reason Ohio went to Clinton is a lot of Republicans voted tactically for Clinton to drag out the race for their benefit. Fortunately for the Democrats there aren't many states left where Clinton can get support from clever Republicans and her bubble will finally burst.
Thank you Texas!
C'mon Pennsylvania – Yes we can!
Obama '08
Proof again that caucuses are not representative of the will of the voters.
This reality should have a strong impact on superdelegates who have not selected a candidate to support.
A minority of voters in Texas gave Obama more delegates. The majority of voters in Texas voted for Hillary.
This was sooooooo stupid to begin with. If they could not handle a primary and a caucus then they need to stick with the primary results.
So Obama won Texas. Simple as that.
I hope CNN provides Fair coverage and gives Obama as much BIG WIN air time for Texas as they did for Hillary... Seems like something fishy is going on in the news media the last few weeks.... Keep HOPE alive.
Who cares we won the caucuses??
Is their cacuses in the General Election: NO WE CAN"T
Hhahah
MCCain or Bust in the Genral Election
All my Latinos will switch to MCCain..hahahah
No We Can't
Only in Texas where the Bushes and the Perrys, of course Republicans could mess this one up. I just ask you, why the cacus when you've had a primary. That sounds like what the Bushes are good at, CHEATING. Do you think you captured the will of the Texas people here. The Primary said different. Now you've caused Hillary to lose delegates. WHY? Because you know she will beat your butt's come November. HILLARY 08
This is infuriating, and final proof that unfair caucus results are one of the only reasons that Obama has the delegate lead that he has. I do hope that superdelegates weigh in this type of factor. Clinton won Texas' popular vote by 4 percentage points, and yet he comes out ahead in delegates. Now we'll hear all the Obama supporters saying how he "won" Texas. Yet when it comes to the convention they will want the person with the delegate lead to be the nominee, only when it works in their candidates favor, or else they'd want the popular vote.
This whole system needs to be fixed.
Yeah...by Bill Clinton and James Carville's own words, if she didn't win both Texas and Ohio, she can't win and Obama is the nominee.
Lemme guess...they're backtracking again.
If Clinton wins every single contest that remains after today by a 55-45 margin, she's still behind in pledged delegates.
The Texas caucus results are not verified until March 29, and the CNN tracker here does not show more than 41% of the caucus vote having been processed. Is this a problem with CNN's updating or some incredibly impatient reporting? Let's not get ahead of ourselves.
This was a rigged caucas and caucuses are a worthless unfair way of getting votes and not being fair as in one side of voters intimidating the other at these so called election lynchings and is basically a way to steal the vote from the other.Yeah right let the voters fight it out.These are nasty tactics.And make it racist.
Clinton lost Texas, claiming that she actually won it, in order to stay in the race? What a surprise!
Hillary won the popular vote, she won the primary. This just goes to show how undemocratic caucuses are. Next time, we need to get rid of this old fashioned system, seriously. And anyone delusional enough to believe Obama won TX because he won a caucus that represents less than 10% of the people who turned out to vote on March 4th really needs to wake up from your "dreams".
Exactly – when will your late-breaking update (on a topic that has been well known for a week or so) get posted as a headline on CNN?
Hillary won the popular vote, she won the primary. This just goes to show how undemocratic caucuses are. Next time, we need to get rid of this old fashioned system, seriously. And anyone delusional enough to believe Obama won TX because he won a caucus that represents less than 10% of the people who turned out to vote on March 4th really needs to wake up from your "dreams".
Hillary 08!
FINALLY! For days I've read about the HUGE WIN Clinton had! And now – it's seen as the sheer propaganda it always was!
I'm SO GLAD to be an Obama supporter. As a life-long Democrat, I'd be MORTIFIED to be a Clinton support after her campaign's refusal to chastise Ferraro for her OBVIOUS bigotry.
Let the truth be told! Obama won more delegates in Texas so the count on March 4th is even...by the way...the story in Texas and Ohio is that Obama cut Clinton's lead in both states – where she held a big lead months before the primaries and she was supposed to win anyway. The last I checked the candidate with more delegates wins...enough of the double talk from Clinton on "popular vote" and "big states" and trying to "steal" votes from Florida and Michigan..Clinton know shw is going down and is desperately truing to change the rukes as she goes...typical Clinton...dirty tricks...same o' Washington politics!
Time for Obama to end this Election by March 29, otherwise, Hilary and Bill will squeeze the Democratic Party of every ounce of decency which will pave the way for a John McCain victory. What a shame?
Hillary won the popular vote, she won the primary. This just goes to show how undemocratic caucuses are. Next time, we need to get rid of this old fashioned system, seriously. And anyone delusional enough to believe Obama won TX because he won a caucus that represents less than 10% of the people who turned out to vote on March 4th really needs to wake up from your "dreams".
Clinton 08!
HILLARY and FERARRO 08 FIGHTERS FOR AMERICA!
Makes no sense.
Hillary will GO on and WIN.
TEXAS FOR OBAMA YESSSSSSSSSSSSS.
So, for the Texas Caucuses – are the numbers for delegates from the caucus in the current number listed on CNN of 1591 for Obama and 1467 for Clinton?
I am amazed how the Obama supporters seem to forget that their candidate does not have the 2025 delegates needed to win the nomination. Until he crosses that finish line, Senator Clinton has every right to stay in the race. If you think about it, Senator Clinton is actually doing exceptionally well, considering all of the road blocks that have been put in her way, especially by the press. The negative campaigning is done for Obama by the press. And yet, Senator Clinton is still standing and fighting. I would rather have a president who can fight the fight for herself. I don't want a president who has everything given to him on a silver platter.
Well we could be reasonable and wait for full results, but Clinton wasn't when she delivered victory speeches before caucus results were in so why not do this....
OBAMA WINS AND I DON'T HAVE TO MOVE TO CANADA, YES!!!!!!
Thanks for standing up for change Texas!
We love you!!!
Obama 08
Good for Texas! I hope that I can join with my American friends this November in celebrating the beginning of a new day in America. Yes you can!
This isn't new at all..smaller media outlets reported this a good four or five days ago.
Like it or not, the media isn't going to retract Hilary's non-existent 'big win.' The longer she's in the race, the more she has to report. Where is Cafferty or Blitzer, asking us all the ramifications of her loss? I'm having trouble understanding why everyone is so nonchalant about something presumably very important.
She said she needed to win both states, and she didn't–so why is she still in the race?
Hillary Clinton can no longer win the nomination fairly. If she manages to pull it off, she will go into the general election without the support of millions of young people and African-Americans. In short, she is doomed.
Just like in Wyoming, Hilary will put a spin on it and say that she is happy "to be in the top two winners." "TOP TWO": last time I checked that was in place. You can spin, spin, spin but the truth is the truth.
Booo Ya!!!! So who won Texas? It is all about the delegates. Go Obama '08!
Is this only thing Obama can do–win caucus with help from AA?
Hello, how can people project who won the caucas when the state states
Partial caucus results, representing 41 percent of all caucus precincts, showed Obama last week with 56 percent of the county-level delegates chosen at the caucuses to 44 percent for Clinton. The state party says it will not be able to provide a further breakdown of the caucus results from March 4.
Don't you have to have 100% to make the correct projection.
Ummmm Obama supporters, if you won why is Hillary still in the race and has not quit. Hmmmm!
Hmmm I am waiting for CNN to spin this to Obama's favor like they did when she BARELY & NARROWLY won TEXAS. Let's be fair CNN spin it baby spin it. OBAMA HAS MORE DELEGATE allotment that Hillary in Texas. This is where speech lessons comes in for CNN.
Oh, my God! This is getting interesting. If the Democratic party still nominates Hillary, then maybe they deserve one another. Meanwhile, outside the U.S, America is being scorned for possessing the judgement of a kindergatten: taking Hillary seriously, hahahaha.
. . . .Does this mean that Senator Obama actually won the big state?
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!WE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!CAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am a delegate for Obama in a place called Tom Green County. While conservative in many ways (pro-life, pro-guns, and VERY pro-military), I am very concerned about how George Bush has gotten us into this war, squandered not only treasure but the more valuable soldiers, marined and airmen who have perished as a direct result of lies we were told to get into this war. Obama is right in that he was against this war from the begining.
I am also concerned that under Bush and Clinton we started officially sactioning 'rendition' and torture. I am concerned about NAFTA and yes, blame the Clinton's for not even meeting with labor leaders when they wanted to discuss the harm NAFTA would cause American workers. I am concerned about illegal wire taps, searches and the loss of so many hard won civil and labor rights. It's time for a real sea change in American politics.
Yes, Obama has less experience in accepting money from special interests and the Chinese. Yes, he has less experience in saying one thing and doing another. Yes, he is maybe more innocent, less tainted by Washington, yes...he is different from Hillary, he is different from Bush, and finally, I have to say...he is my candidate.
God Bless America, God Bless the people of the United States of America!
James E. F. Riley, Sr.
CNN...finally on the ball...just a bit too slow....
well well well the worm begins to turn yet once ag next will PA and the undetermined college vote flip the boards after all cell phones arnt polled only old fashioned land lines....we shall see
This is totally absurd!
Hillary wins the popular vote by 100,000 voters and gets 4 more delegates than BO. Close to 3 million people voted in the primary.
The caucus awards BO 9 delegates more when not more than 100,000 of the very same primary voters showed up for the caucus to vote a second time and BO approximately 5,000 more votes than Hillary.
I attended our caucus and was not surprised that there were more Blacks than Whites/Latinos there. Give Obama campaigner's credit – they rallied the community to show up for the caucuses and HRC folks just sat on their butts thinking that the primaries were more important.
What you saw in Texas is a once in a lifetime deal. I'm chairing our delegation and will certainly work to get the caucus far away from Texas. Obviously the most unfair, undemocratic thing that I have ever witnessed.
I wonder what the score would be if the democrats were to emulate the Republican and National Election and have a 'winner take all' election. This would have been over with a long time ago!!
Obama has kept his cool. He's run amagnificent campaign and has not subcombed to the mean spirited racist politics Clinton has perpetrated.
Also have you heard. Obama is getting more delegates from California!!! they announced that on MSNBC
CNN is behind on this story.
It doesn't matter anymore. Clinton picked up momentum from the Primary that night... that's all that was required to energize her to carry on.
And the eroding of the Democratic Party continues...
Just goes to show that the democratic primary is a repeat of 2000, where Al Gore won the popular vote but lost because of the electoral college delegates. THe dems were up in arms back then, but now, it's fine because CNN et al paved the way for Obamamania.
That's right!! wolf make sure you keep telling us about how OBAMA has actually won TEXAS!!! Tell the TRUTH!!!!
We had 7 years of Bush. A guy who picked fights where we did not need them... I would much rather have a President with Judgement than another "fighter" who endorsed the Iraq War with her vote...
The caucus process is absurd. And Texas highlights this. In the same state, how could a person win the primary by a margin, but lose a caucus? How about because the caucus process does not represent the will of the majority of Dems in an area? It's funny to read what people say about the process who have never had to deal with it. In Colorado, we caucus. It is a lengthy, sometimes aggressive process, that not all voters want to be a part of, especially since a vote was already cast. It really does see to disenfranchise certain groups, like the elderly, single parents, and those in low socio-economic situations. I remember a time when Dems were gung-ho about making sure every last actual vote was counted!
And as for the Michigan/Florida comments... the candidates were told they couldn't campaign in Michigan and Florida, not that they had to remove their names from the ballots. Why else would Obama's still have been on the FL ballot if he thought he had to remove it? Also, Obama did air crossover ads in the state prior to the election in Florida. Stating the facts would be helpful when people post. And while name calling seems to be going on between the candidates, I don't see any reason for people to be calling others names in the comment section.
It's sort of ironic that those who support Obama's change message and his mission, are the ones who seem to throw the most stones at others. Try walking the talk.
Hillary won the primary by 4 percent and Obama won the caucuses by 11 percent. so, if you put all together Obama actually won Texas.
Obama has won one of the biggest state as well.
so please recognized that Obama has won big state with more delegate and percentages.
YES WE CAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So this means HILLARY IS OUT..as promised by the entire campaign!
I am awaiting your drop out speech monstrous lady!
She has to go along with her entire RACIST crew!..
Go Hillary, go. your image will be a little better now than waiting for more disgrace!
Can't you see that Democrats don't like you?
I wish Hillary would just drop out of the race. She is terrible and a manipulative politician. She goes after the poor and Latino vote, and yet she is NEITHER. She tries to pin the African Americans against the Latinos, and yet she enjoys the life of a woman of prosperity. She is not a minority and will never understand the struggles that minorities go through, no matter how many books she reads or how many Latinos or African Americans she hires. At least Obama can relate to everyone, he is a minority and can relate to the struggles that minorities of all nationalities go through, and as he has studied with the countries "majority" and most successful people, he can relate to their needs and understand their struggles. He is the American dream. No matter what Hillary does, she will never understand what it is like to be poor or a minority, yet she claims she understands their needs more than Obama. I can't stand her, she is not Bill Clinton and I wish that she would just drop out. Maybe if she ran a campaign from her heart versus firing her campaign manager and blaming everyone else for her mistakes, she'd be farther along. But the truth is, she is fake and only wants the nomination. I originally was not going to vote for Obama, but he is the only real ticket on the ballot. He has nothing to gain except change. Our country needs heart and that is not Hillary, no matter why lies she spreads.
Why is it just in this election that caucuses are not representative of the will of the people. Why hasn't Clinton rejected caucuses at the beginning of the campaign. Furthermore why hasn't any presidential complained about this before!!!!!
Because it's ridiculous and self serving for Hillary!!!!!!
Gee, I wonder if Hillary will take Texas out of her speeches about states won, considering her team said this race was all about "DELEGATES". Based on that, Obama won Texas. My hunch is she will still claim she won it. Why stop lying now???
Guess what? THERE ARE NO CAUCUS VOTES IN THE GENERAL ELECTION.
OBAMA'S GOING TO GET CREAMED IN TEXAS.
Let's hope the media stops reporting that Hillary "won" Texas when Obama actually picked up more delegates there. The Democratic party needs to unite and start thinking about beating McCain this Fall and repairing some of the damage done by Bush (alas, I don't know if we'll ever fully recover from him). If you look at the polls, the candidates and the issues at hand, it seems pretty Obvious that Obama is a stronger candidate who will get more people involved – which is what democracy is all about. It saddens me to see how negative and nasty Hillary has been to someone in her own party – particularly when she is deliberately misinforming people. That isn't leadership – it's deceit, and quite frankly, after 8 years of living with our president's lies and deception, I'm ready for something new and positive.
OBAMA '08 and '12!
Oh well we all make mistakes
A candidate can win a state even if he or she gets less delegates because of the complicated delegate distribution based on counties and regions. In another word, whoever got the most popular votes win the state.
During the Texas primary, Hillary got close to 100,000 more popular votes than Obama; therefore, she won Texas. That's the bottom line.
I'm actually excited about the hope for change. I admire both Hillary and Barack. I say change now – you may not like all the changes, but if we don't change our direction, now, dramatically – get ready you;ll be in a soup line unless your one of the luckier ones with a million dollars in your pocket. Any amount less you'll loose in the stockmarket or pay at the pumps so don't count on that. Look – the hand writing is already on the wall.
Good. Maybe now you guys will stop claiming that Clinton won Texas (because she did not). And, who knows, maybe before too long Clinton herself will stop claiming that she won Texas.
You guys should start reporting facts, not what you would like to have as facts... (this one is for you Wolf Blitzer who stopped being objective the moment Clinton's campaign started complaining about the media!)
So it's official. Texas is a HYBRID system and Obama won Texas. Simple as that.
Hillary has lost 14 of the last 16 states. 15/17 if Obama pulls out Mississippi tonight.
Think she should drop out yet, Hillary supporters?
Or should she keep slinging dirty filth everywhere and ruin the Dem nominee's chance in the general?
Obama won the Popular vote, primary and caucus. hes the man!
This is ridiculus! Already they are giving the Caucus to him before it's ever finished. We don't know the actual results until it's all counted. Just like they thought she was going to lose Texas in the Primary. They just knew he was gonna come back and go past her and he never did. They were so sure by his having 75,000 to start that he was going to win and they were shocked that she reigned victorious. I am so sick of this one sided reporting. I also agree with Ger Ferraro. If we say anything against a black we are considered racist but nothing is ever considered racist when it's said against a white. Whites are getting tired of being discrimnated against and it's being done more and more.
Annamica,
This "antiquated process" is part of what protects our democracy from the tyranny of the status quo. Perhaps if you were more involved in the process you would understand that. Simply showing up to vote isn't enough. Activism is the vigilance that keeps us free and enables to recreate our government to reflect the wishes of the people. If you don't want to be owned by the PACs and special interests then caucusing is the answer. It is much more difficult to "buy" the outcome of a caucus than a vote. Put your "money" (read involvement/activism) where your mouth is.
LOL!!! So the TRUTH is ........OBAMA WON TEXAS!!!!!
What amazes me about Hillary is her absolute lack of humility. When she "won big" on March 4th, there was confetti and crowing and Hillary Clinton basking in her "win." As it turns out, she really didn't even win Texas, she has earned less states than Obama, less of the popular vote and less delegates. So why the confetti? I guess when you've had 12 straight losses, you'll take what you can get. Hillary's victories are all in her head.
I don't get what's taking so long w/ the counts. Almost get the sense these are being delayed intentionally... if they are still not done before the Penn primaries, then there is really something wrong.... Hillary is having a hard enough time trying to make people believe math is just make-believe and she is magically winning, I guess the truth about who won TX wouldn't help her cause here now would it?
I keep hearing the Obama sheep saying that if in the end, Obama has more of the popular primary vote overall, but Clinton manages to get enough super delagates to get her the nomination, this will be an outrage. Well, what do you think just happened in Texas? She took the popular vote, but Obama won more delagates on a minority of caucases. I don't hear any of them outraged over this!
If you listen closely, you can hear the sheep.
Ob-aaa-maa, Ob-aaa-maa.
Congrats Senator Obama on your big win in Texas.
Once again, Hillary and her followers have trouble with rules. Rules and ethics seem not to matter to the Clinton clan and their supporters as always.
The RULES in Texas was 2/3 for the primary and 1/3 for the caucus.
Those were the rules.
She barely squeaked out the primary. He destroyed her in the caucus.
Caucuses are all about organization and a strong belief in your chosen candidate.
This just proves, once again, that Obama supporters believe in their cnadidate. Hillary supporters...not so much.
attn all obamamaniacs you get dumber by the second:
your candidate is a politician like the rest of them his words don';t match his actions he talks big and it comes back to bite him every time. we know hillary's faults her positive outweighs her negative you no nothing about your candidate except he's like a drug that numbs you and makes you high listen up:
she won texas by 100,000 votes if that's not called winning I give up!! if she gets 4 more del for 100,000 and say he gets 10 more delegates for 2,000 votes I call that a shameful crime and a far cry from what your candidate speaks of change and fairness I don't hear him crying for Florida or Michigan because he's like the rest of them!!
You are fooling yourself and no matter what charm he tries he can't win us over we see through him and actually will stick with hillary's faults anytime over his wolves clothing and projecting this honest to god look when he's a sham a shame and a bluff. Bamboozle and hoodwinking all you nuts!!1
Wake up and smell the roses. If the Democrats keep fighting. We are looking at another 4-years of the Bush white house if Mc Caine wins.
All this fighting will split the party. Secondly, the only bubble that is going to burst is the Democratic Party. When they loose the White House.
Ok, Obama won the caucus. Hillary won the popular vote.
He's won 12 (incl Texas) caucuses to Hillary's 1. Let's keep in mind that there is no caucus in November. The fact that Hillary does better in large states with only popular votes doesn't bode well in Nov. for Obama.
Clinton keeps fighting that the rules are wrong...you should count MI and FL, caucuses don't matter, small states dont' matter, blah, blah, blah. What matters at the end of the day is delegate count pure and simple. Those are the rules they both started with. And don't even suggest Obama has wanted to change the rules of how superdelegates vote. While they have suggested it would be wise for the SDs to go along with the popular vote they have not asked for a rule change.
Bottom line, Obama is focused on getting the right result, and Clinton is focused on the fight. As usual.
Gee Hill. Guess Texas wasn't all you cracked it up to be. Sorry.:-)
Yes we can..........
I find it hard to beleive that American voters accepted as fact, Hillary
Rotten Clinton's claim that she's ready be president on day one.
everything she has was handed to her,By virtue of her name recognition.She pulled strings to become Senator of New York.
If the truth told, Barack Obama 's experience is more Valuable
He started from the lowest level as a Organizer, and worked to
become a United States Senator.Hillary Rotten Clinton had the
benifit of name recognition and masterful Mud slinging to reach
her goals.
GOD BLESS TEXAS!!!! Thank you for voting for our best candidate!!!!!!!
OBAMA 08!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Annamica, OH Are you a spambot or what?
Yes, Fran he does need 2025 delegates to become the nominee. No one is going to get 2025 pledged delegates thru the primaries or caucuses. It has been declared physically impossible.
The "experts" – not Obama supporters – have said that even if Clinton wins the rest of the elections, Obama will still beat her in delegates.
I used to be a Clinton supporter but she is one dirty fighter. The stuff that her campaign has done, I thought would only be done by repubs, never by a democrat against another democrat. She really has no integrity and no shame.
And please explain to me how Obama has had it all handed to him on a silver platter. Oh, that's right – African-American men in this country have really had it easy – I forgot. I guess those firehoses I remember seeing on tv being turned on full blast against black CHILDREN in the southern part of this country must have just been one of my nightmares – stuff like that couldn't have happened in this country in the 1960's, because African-Americans have had it handed to them on a silver platter.
Can anyone calculate the voters state by state? I do think Hillary won more voters but less delegates now. Because in the big state, a pledged delegate represents more voters than in the small state. And in the primary, a pledged delegate represents more voters than in the caucuse.
P.S. By the way, I will admit however, that the TX caucus has turned into a mess and should not be considered indicative of the process when administered correctly. Many caucus sites have been unbelievably underprepared for the response and involvement of the electorate this year. Earlier contests may be excused, but not TX, not this late in the game and there was no excuse for the disorganization and unpreparedness that was evidenced there.
About time you got it right CNN...
Obama more Texas delegates than Clinton...
Both Clinton and Obama knew (or should have known) going in to Texas that there is both a primary AND a caucus, This is nothing new: it has been that way in Texas for decades.
Although it is true that Clinton did win the Texas primary, the fact is that the Texas election consists of the caucus as well as the primary.
So, in effect, her winning the primary was like going into the locker room at halftime up by a field goal. Her losing the caucus is like giving up the winning touchdown in the fourth quarter. You don't get to whine that you were cheated or that the game was unfair if you agree to play the game and know the rules going in. You don't get the victory at the end of the second quarter, you get it at the end of the fourth quarter.
Since the name of the game in Texas is to get the most delegates under the rules established by the state of Texas, and Obama is likely to have the most delegates from Texas at the end of the caucus, Obama did in fact win Texas despite losing the popular vote. This stuff does happen (see Presidential Elections, 2000)
So? I didn't even read the article- just looked at the headline. I didn't read it because beyond the fact that it gives him a handful more delegates, it is NOT SIGNIFICANT. Why?
THE GENERAL ELECTION IS NOT A CAUCUS. Hillary won the popular vote in Texas.
THE KEY WILL BE THE SWING states like NEW JERSEY, NEW YORK, TEXAS, FLORIDA, etc-OBAMA HAS NOT SHOWN THAT he can secure a single one of these key states. HILLARY WON THESE. Period. This is why the superdelegates have not gone to Obama. It is that simple.
Finally CNN...now give it as much coverage as you have in making a case that Hillary "Won" Texas..........In my view neither won the state of Texas
Caucuses reward the candidate who has the better organizational structure. That seems like a quality that's going to be important when running against the Republicans.
Vote Obama
So... will Hillary Clintopn please step down now. Well if she doesnt then we all know she will do enough to ensure that Obama wont win and instead McCain will take the presidency.
Shame.
Hey guys, why don't we hold caucuses instead of a general election in the fall, if Obama wins the nomination? That will surely give him the win...and caucuses represent all of America, right?
She Still Won The Primary And Got One Less Delegate. So Really Obama Still Lost. She'll Win Pennsylvania And Win The Nomination. Go Hillary!
HILLARY and FERARRO 08FIGHTERS FOR AMERICA
So if Hillary had lost the primary, but won the caucus, you would all be saying, Hillary won? Well we all know things don't work both ways for Obama supporters. You guys would have raised hell and high water that if she lost the primary, she should drop out. Why is there a double-standard for Obama?
Why don't we hold caucuses instead of a general election in the fall, if Obama wins the nomination? That will surely give him the win…and caucuses represent all of America, right?
it shows the caucus system is a farce. In states with only caucuses the turnout was tiny. In texeas with both the ballot vote was nearly 10 times the caucus.
If you look at the person voting in a caucus, its party loyalist, people with a lot fo free time and those not afraid to ffend their neighbor by their opinion.
James E. F. Riley, Sr. – I take it your county voted for Senator Obama?
I too was around for the NAFTA discussions and I believe that there were discussions with numerous companies regarding the impact of NAFTA.......oh, and wasn't that done by Clinton predecessor? Think so.
So I can figure however that you are pro amnesty, pro nuclear weapons, and pro Senator Obama's view. Guess that too means that you support someone voted #1 in the Senate for having voted consistently for funding the war and regretting voting regarding the gal in Florida – even though he knew it was the wrong vote given your background as a Constitutional Law Professor.
Well, if that is all your standards....cool. Mine are alot higher.
Hey Obama supporters- they don't serve cocktails at a caucus! No need to get there so fast!
Seriously though, presidents do not get elected via a caucus- they get elected by popular vote. Having a good chunk of Hillary's base- seniors- be asked to go vote twice in one day or even twice in seperate days is not fair to them. Another important base for Hillary, women, probably couldn't make the caucus as the day after was a big standardized testing day for many children. That's why I didn't caucus but voted in the popular vote. Think about it, when you were a child, would your mother go sit at a caucus until 11pm the day before you had statewide testing or would she stay in and ensure you got to bed early? I know what every good mother would do!
The caucus does not represent the will of the general population as Texas has shown.
Actually the Texas votes are not finalized until June 6 at the State level convention.
March 29 is the county/senate district convention date and will determine which delegates go to the June 6 convention.
Since none of you apparently know what you're talking about, I thought I'd help you out. The amount of ignorance spread across these boards is quite disheartening.
I find it curious that the same Hillary supporters who tout her 51-47 Texas "win" and rail against the idea that caucus delegates would "overturn" that "democratic" result are perfectly fine with superdelegates overturning Obama's similar 51-47 lead nationally to select her as the nominee.
We need to face facts. Obama has more votes, more pledged delegates, more total delegates and more states, and the none of that will change between now and June unless Hillary starts winning 80-20, which ain't gonna happen. I find it amazing that the media does not report that, and I think the primary reason for it is that the media, like the Clinton campaign, wants to cultivate the perception that this is still somehow a horse race. It's not, and it hasn't been since way before Texas and Ohio.
For all you ardent Hillary supporters, consider this. After the debacle of Florida in 2000, do you really want to get your nominee in there through more undemocratic shenanigans? Do you really think superdelegates should overturn the results of the popular vote? Is that the Democratic party you signed up to support? Is that the ideal you want to put out there to the nation and to our children watching this race – that any tactic is acceptable so long as your team wins? I thought that's what we hated the most about the Bush/Cheney/Rove menatlity these past 8 years. I have no problem with Hillary playing out the string and seeing what happens, but if you think a vicious contest filled with more personal/race/gender attacks every day (which will be increasingly necessary given how lilttle these two differ on actual policies) is somehow "good" for the party, you're kidding yourself. The groups on the receiving end of those attacks will not just forget them come general election time, and it WILL have an impact on support for the eventual nominee.
No matter who you support, please try to remember that the goal is to put someone in the nominee spot and, hopefully, the White House who embodies all the best principles we believe in as members of the party. So it's not just the result that matters, but the means we use to get there.
So what. No matter how you crunch the numbers Clinton still wins Texas because even if Obama wins all 1/3 caucus delegate (which he won't) he still loses Texas overall because 2/3 is a bigger number than 1/3 and I can't believe how far CNN will go to throw positive spin Obama's way misrepresenting results to make it look like he is an "Equal" winner and their was some sort of split decision in Texas when the Texas voters indicated very clearly which candidate they prefered...C L I N T O N ! ! !
Although you have reported that Senator Clinton did not win Texas, the talking heads on CNN are still claiming that she won Texas.
THANK YOU, Donna Brazile, for stating that Senator Obama's votes are not just from African-Americans. He has energized and provide hope for a diverse group. I have attended every Obama rally in Houston, TX and the mixture of people was amazing. We do need change.
The only reason Hillary "won" the popular vote in Texas is because of the ditto-head republicans who voted for her in the open primary. They have so much dirt on Bill and his wife that they will do anything to ensure that she is the candidate against McCain. Plus, it's so unfair that Hillary would be expected to be organized enough to actually get her act together in the caucases. Is this a good example her her executive skills?
Hillary Hater: "We had 7 years of Bush. A guy who picked fights where we did not need them… I would much rather have a President with Judgement than another "fighter" who endorsed the Iraq War with her vote…"
Don't forget your golden boy's hypocrisy in voting to fund the war ever since he's been in the senate. Oh I forgot about the double standards you guys have for Sen. Obama and Sen. Clinton.
It is time for Hillary to exit the race. TX was one by Obama! Let's watch out for pandering to prejudicial and racist persons now. Here we go PA. The Ferraro racial remarks are just the beginning. Superdelagates I hope you are taking note. Echo, Echo....do Richardson, Edwards and Gore have spines? Put her out!
Wow, Obama won Texas? Clinton really needs to rethink her staying in this....
Do people that vote in the primary also vote in the caucaus? If so, doesn't that mean they vote twice in one day? That sounds like complete stupidity to me.
I know we can make it work, I know we can make it if we try....
WE CAN, CAN, OH YES WE CAN CAN, WHY CAN"T WE IF WE WANT, Yeah!
O B A M A 08
If Clinton really thinks caucuses are unfair then why didn't she say something back in the beginning. Oh yah because she was supposed to have the nomination "wrapped up" by now.
Scoreboard Obama
There are no caucus votes, and most of the Repulicans who voted for barack will vote their own party. He cannot win the General Election without their support.
Finally finally CNN discovered what was showing on their website in the Texas results page for a long time already: not at all a win for Clinton. In the meantime she has been spinning her 'big wins' big time. If she ever again complains about media being against her I will burst into uncontrollable laughter.
I have been watching this 'dem' primary for awhile, and for the life of me cannot figure out why dem's would support a party that sanctions so called 'super-delegates' whose sole responsibility is to make sure the candidate of choice is that of the party boss wishes. Why should certain people have more 'voting' power than the people themselves. Sounds rigged to me. JMHO
You may be right except for one thing Mir, Obama is actually ahead in the popular vote. He is ahead in the popular vote, the delegate count, and number of states won.
sorry – the caucus process is not democratic and disenfranchises voters – how many people participated in the primary? the primary winner won the state and that is Hillary Clinton by 100,000 votes or 3.6%
This victory is when the "battle" between these two ended – victories in PA, IN, and Edwards endorsement + NC equal the end of the road for Obama.
Hillary's campaign has been so disorganized. One would think that as long as she's been planning this, which I'm going to guess started at 12:01 p.m., January 20, 2001, that she would've planned for such contingencies as a caucus. If someone doesn't automatically rollover for her, they're going to complain about something being "not fair."
The way her campaign has been run shows how her administration will run. Yikes and yowza.
Anyone that thinks the caucus results are unfair, think of this...in a primary, you go vote without necessarily talking to other voters. In a caucus, you make a public declaration of support, which means that you will have to debate your position prior to your declaration. Obama has done well in the caucus states because as soon as people actually have to debate about the candidates, hillary supporters finally realize that Obama is the better candidate. The caucus results favoring Obama proves that more uninformed voters vote for Hillary, but once they actually are forced to learn about both candidates, they choose Obama
I think this calls for a good, old-fashioned...
>>>>>> RETRACTION <<<<<<<
The media widely reported her the winner, and I think they should make public statements that they called it WRONG and too EARLY.
OBAMA WiNS TEXAS!!!!!!!!
THANKS TEXAS!!!!!!!!!!!
Obama 08
To all you Hillary supporters who are crying about the Texas 'two-step' being unfair..... didn't Bill win Texas using this EXACT system when he was running???
Stop complaining!!! Obama got more delegates...deal with it!
A great man said. Politics favors the wealthy, the shameless and the beautifull. Well the Hillary monster has the first two of these attributes.
Two words: HA HA!
a caucus process that was beyond repair where many were left
out or just left cuz of chaos..
those caucus votes are not a true picture
and should be taken to court!!!
Remark to all Hillary supporters who for Texas suddenly started looking at the popular vote: fine with me! But then have the guts to admit your lady is not winning at all if you look at the complete USA.
Interesting how Clinton supporters decry caucases as being undemocratic but at the same time you don't have a problem with the superdelegates overturning the will of the people. Obama leads in all catergories. That you can't deny. If you are going to be the guardians of democracy why don't you decry the superdelegate system also. Sounds like more doublespeak to me.
What wil be the next Clinton spin?
- First more popular votes didn't matter;
- More delegates, didn't matter;
- Winning more states didn't matter;
- Will it be now, that big states don't matter?
Dear "Does It Matter",
Your words were beautifully said.
Obama 08
So Obama actually won in Texas
Yes we can
If Obama has more delegates in Texas, why isn't he considered the winner of texas? It was stated on NPR recently that whoever had won the most delegates would be in fact the winner of the state.
What's with the stripes?
Maxine Gold
So Obama won Texas too.
lmao at Hillarious Clinton
Yes We Can!!!!
WOW !!!!
Our Lord Jesus Christ is blessing Barack Obama.
Obama '08
uchujin:
Don't judge a book by it's cover. I am an activist, I am an on the ground volunteer for the Clinton campaign, so don't you dare judge me.
CNN post this please, thanks.
cnn you are almost as ridiculous as howard dean and the absurd texas caucus system. i cannot wait to support mccain if obama becomes the nominee.
All that Media talk about how Team Hillary made such an admirable comeback is now proven grossly inaccurate.
This proves that she LOST Texas (which she needed to win with a large margin).
Considering that Hillary had double digit leads 2 weeks prior to voting in both Ohio and Texas, there is absolutely NO WAY she can say that she won that day. She lost Texas and she hung on for a 10% win in Ohio. That is a split decision by ANYONE'S rules.
As we've been saying since that night! OBAMA ON TEXAS. – As Hillary used to say- it's about "delegates"!
This is simply not fair – how can obama feel good when he LOST THE POPULAR VOTE.
the general election is not a caucus so how is Obama going to do well. this is a real concern
I was wondering if they were ever going to finish counting thos thing.
YES WE CAN!!!!!!!!!!
OBAMA '08
Since Obama won tonight, this board she get ready for an onslaught of Obama haters.
I'm tuning out, putting my feet up, and having a late night toddy.
Go Obama 08
Hillary, keep your word and step down before you destroy your beloved party. Unlike Geraldine Ferraro, most of us do not believe that dirty politics-as-usual is helpful at this point–even if "that's the way our country is."
OK, it's time for the Clinton clan to honor their words and pack up their bags and go home.
Hello Hillary and Bill, the phone is ringing for you to get out of the race. Texas is lost or are you going to try and redefine losing?
CHANGE YOUR SCOREBOARD
Why haven't we heard more of this? Why is CNN (not 10 minutes ago) still referring to "Hillary winning Texas" when they have this story on their own website?? Even so, I follow both candidates speaking fairly closely and neither of them reference this either. Now THAT is just weird.
As it should be, for the good of all mankind. Ha.