Comments on: Caucus win gives Obama more Texas delegates than Clinton

By: Ruthless Rules « Ryan’s Rant

Ruthless Rules « Ryan’s Rant — Wed, 19 Nov 2008 05:56:35 +0000

[...] Obama's campaign. They understood the rules and worked them. At the end of the day, Hillary Clinton had won the popular vote and the primary....and again, lost the delegate [...]

By: Holly Maria

Holly Maria — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 01:31:28 +0000

As it should be, for the good of all mankind. Ha.

By: Scott

Scott — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 01:31:19 +0000

Why haven't we heard more of this? Why is CNN (not 10 minutes ago) still referring to "Hillary winning Texas" when they have this story on their own website?? Even so, I follow both candidates speaking fairly closely and neither of them reference this either. Now THAT is just weird.

By: R Cook

R Cook — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 01:27:09 +0000

CHANGE YOUR SCOREBOARD

By: Rick, Flowery Branch GA

Rick, Flowery Branch GA — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 01:25:23 +0000

OK, it's time for the Clinton clan to honor their words and pack up their bags and go home.
Hello Hillary and Bill, the phone is ringing for you to get out of the race. Texas is lost or are you going to try and redefine losing?

By: ds

ds — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 01:24:59 +0000

Hillary, keep your word and step down before you destroy your beloved party. Unlike Geraldine Ferraro, most of us do not believe that dirty politics-as-usual is helpful at this point–even if "that's the way our country is."

By: Obama 08

Obama 08 — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 01:20:10 +0000

Since Obama won tonight, this board she get ready for an onslaught of Obama haters.

I'm tuning out, putting my feet up, and having a late night toddy.

Go Obama 08

By: Cheryl

Cheryl — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 01:19:44 +0000

YES WE CAN!!!!!!!!!!
OBAMA '08

By: curtis in WI

curtis in WI — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 01:17:39 +0000

I was wondering if they were ever going to finish counting thos thing.

By: Michael Guinn Ventura, CA

Michael Guinn Ventura, CA — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 01:16:32 +0000

As we've been saying since that night! OBAMA ON TEXAS. – As Hillary used to say- it's about "delegates"!

By: unfair

unfair — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 01:16:32 +0000

This is simply not fair – how can obama feel good when he LOST THE POPULAR VOTE.

the general election is not a caucus so how is Obama going to do well. this is a real concern

By: Greg

Greg — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 01:13:36 +0000

All that Media talk about how Team Hillary made such an admirable comeback is now proven grossly inaccurate.

This proves that she LOST Texas (which she needed to win with a large margin).

Considering that Hillary had double digit leads 2 weeks prior to voting in both Ohio and Texas, there is absolutely NO WAY she can say that she won that day. She lost Texas and she hung on for a 10% win in Ohio. That is a split decision by ANYONE'S rules.

By: ben Davie, Fl

ben Davie, Fl — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 01:11:00 +0000

cnn you are almost as ridiculous as howard dean and the absurd texas caucus system. i cannot wait to support mccain if obama becomes the nominee.

By: Annamica, OH

Annamica, OH — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 01:09:08 +0000

uchujin:

Don't judge a book by it's cover. I am an activist, I am an on the ground volunteer for the Clinton campaign, so don't you dare judge me.

CNN post this please, thanks.

By: Eloise

Eloise — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 01:07:19 +0000

Yes We Can!!!!

WOW !!!!

Our Lord Jesus Christ is blessing Barack Obama.

Obama '08

By: Len

Len — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 01:07:05 +0000

So Obama won Texas too.
lmao at Hillarious Clinton

By: maxine

maxine — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 01:02:35 +0000

If Obama has more delegates in Texas, why isn't he considered the winner of texas? It was stated on NPR recently that whoever had won the most delegates would be in fact the winner of the state.

What's with the stripes?

Maxine Gold

By: Chaz

Chaz — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 01:00:47 +0000

So Obama actually won in Texas

Yes we can

By: Yes, DIM

Yes, DIM — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 00:57:48 +0000

Dear "Does It Matter",

Your words were beautifully said.

Obama 08

By: Philip

Philip — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 00:57:28 +0000

What wil be the next Clinton spin?
- First more popular votes didn't matter;
- More delegates, didn't matter;
- Winning more states didn't matter;
- Will it be now, that big states don't matter?

By: E.L.

E.L. — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 00:57:07 +0000

Interesting how Clinton supporters decry caucases as being undemocratic but at the same time you don't have a problem with the superdelegates overturning the will of the people. Obama leads in all catergories. That you can't deny. If you are going to be the guardians of democracy why don't you decry the superdelegate system also. Sounds like more doublespeak to me.

By: Emiel

Emiel — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 00:56:51 +0000

Remark to all Hillary supporters who for Texas suddenly started looking at the popular vote: fine with me! But then have the guts to admit your lady is not winning at all if you look at the complete USA.

By: joe

joe — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 00:56:07 +0000

a caucus process that was beyond repair where many were left

out or just left cuz of chaos..

those caucus votes are not a true picture

and should be taken to court!!!

By: Barry

Barry — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 00:55:35 +0000

Two words: HA HA!

By: Mike

Mike — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 00:55:03 +0000

A great man said. Politics favors the wealthy, the shameless and the beautifull. Well the Hillary monster has the first two of these attributes.

By: Ade

Ade — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 00:54:58 +0000

To all you Hillary supporters who are crying about the Texas 'two-step' being unfair..... didn't Bill win Texas using this EXACT system when he was running???

Stop complaining!!! Obama got more delegates...deal with it!

By: THANK YOU TEXAS

THANK YOU TEXAS — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 00:54:53 +0000

THANKS TEXAS!!!!!!!!!!!

Obama 08

By: Pennsylvania for Obama

Pennsylvania for Obama — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 00:54:47 +0000

OBAMA WiNS TEXAS!!!!!!!!

By: Lucas, Nashville TN

Lucas, Nashville TN — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 00:54:11 +0000

I think this calls for a good, old-fashioned...

>>>>>> RETRACTION <<<<<<<

The media widely reported her the winner, and I think they should make public statements that they called it WRONG and too EARLY.

By: Jim in VA

Jim in VA — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 00:53:44 +0000

Anyone that thinks the caucus results are unfair, think of this...in a primary, you go vote without necessarily talking to other voters. In a caucus, you make a public declaration of support, which means that you will have to debate your position prior to your declaration. Obama has done well in the caucus states because as soon as people actually have to debate about the candidates, hillary supporters finally realize that Obama is the better candidate. The caucus results favoring Obama proves that more uninformed voters vote for Hillary, but once they actually are forced to learn about both candidates, they choose Obama

By: WY

WY — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 00:52:15 +0000

Hillary's campaign has been so disorganized. One would think that as long as she's been planning this, which I'm going to guess started at 12:01 p.m., January 20, 2001, that she would've planned for such contingencies as a caucus. If someone doesn't automatically rollover for her, they're going to complain about something being "not fair." The way her campaign has been run shows how her administration will run. Yikes and yowza.

By: BING

BING — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 00:52:05 +0000

sorry – the caucus process is not democratic and disenfranchises voters – how many people participated in the primary? the primary winner won the state and that is Hillary Clinton by 100,000 votes or 3.6%

This victory is when the "battle" between these two ended – victories in PA, IN, and Edwards endorsement + NC equal the end of the road for Obama.

By: Lolita

Lolita — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 00:52:04 +0000

You may be right except for one thing Mir, Obama is actually ahead in the popular vote. He is ahead in the popular vote, the delegate count, and number of states won.

By: Dave Williamson

Dave Williamson — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 00:51:16 +0000

I have been watching this 'dem' primary for awhile, and for the life of me cannot figure out why dem's would support a party that sanctions so called 'super-delegates' whose sole responsibility is to make sure the candidate of choice is that of the party boss wishes. Why should certain people have more 'voting' power than the people themselves. Sounds rigged to me. JMHO

By: Emiel

Emiel — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 00:51:08 +0000

Finally finally CNN discovered what was showing on their website in the Texas results page for a long time already: not at all a win for Clinton. In the meantime she has been spinning her 'big wins' big time. If she ever again complains about media being against her I will burst into uncontrollable laughter.

By: Evelyn New Jersey

Evelyn New Jersey — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 00:50:35 +0000

There are no caucus votes, and most of the Repulicans who voted for barack will vote their own party. He cannot win the General Election without their support.

By: bond

bond — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 00:49:36 +0000

Scoreboard Obama

By: westy

westy — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 00:49:22 +0000

If Clinton really thinks caucuses are unfair then why didn't she say something back in the beginning. Oh yah because she was supposed to have the nomination "wrapped up" by now.

By: We Really Can

We Really Can — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 00:47:27 +0000

I know we can make it work, I know we can make it if we try....

WE CAN, CAN, OH YES WE CAN CAN, WHY CAN"T WE IF WE WANT, Yeah!

O B A M A 08

By: Chris

Chris — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 00:47:04 +0000

Do people that vote in the primary also vote in the caucaus? If so, doesn't that mean they vote twice in one day? That sounds like complete stupidity to me.

By: Randy

Randy — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 00:46:54 +0000

Wow, Obama won Texas? Clinton really needs to rethink her staying in this....

By: Nancy, Oklahoma

Nancy, Oklahoma — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 00:46:49 +0000

It is time for Hillary to exit the race. TX was one by Obama! Let's watch out for pandering to prejudicial and racist persons now. Here we go PA. The Ferraro racial remarks are just the beginning. Superdelagates I hope you are taking note. Echo, Echo....do Richardson, Edwards and Gore have spines? Put her out!

By: Annamica, OH

Annamica, OH — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 00:46:26 +0000

Hillary Hater: "We had 7 years of Bush. A guy who picked fights where we did not need them… I would much rather have a President with Judgement than another "fighter" who endorsed the Iraq War with her vote…" Don't forget your golden boy's hypocrisy in voting to fund the war ever since he's been in the senate. Oh I forgot about the double standards you guys have for Sen. Obama and Sen. Clinton.

By: Leftie

Leftie — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 00:46:03 +0000

The only reason Hillary "won" the popular vote in Texas is because of the ditto-head republicans who voted for her in the open primary. They have so much dirt on Bill and his wife that they will do anything to ensure that she is the candidate against McCain. Plus, it's so unfair that Hillary would be expected to be organized enough to actually get her act together in the caucases. Is this a good example her her executive skills?

By: Camilla

Camilla — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 00:45:32 +0000

Although you have reported that Senator Clinton did not win Texas, the talking heads on CNN are still claiming that she won Texas.

THANK YOU, Donna Brazile, for stating that Senator Obama's votes are not just from African-Americans. He has energized and provide hope for a diverse group. I have attended every Obama rally in Houston, TX and the mixture of people was amazing. We do need change.

By: Johnny Birchfield

Johnny Birchfield — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 00:45:16 +0000

So what. No matter how you crunch the numbers Clinton still wins Texas because even if Obama wins all 1/3 caucus delegate (which he won't) he still loses Texas overall because 2/3 is a bigger number than 1/3 and I can't believe how far CNN will go to throw positive spin Obama's way misrepresenting results to make it look like he is an "Equal" winner and their was some sort of split decision in Texas when the Texas voters indicated very clearly which candidate they prefered...C L I N T O N ! ! !

By: Ind

Ind — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 00:43:57 +0000

I find it curious that the same Hillary supporters who tout her 51-47 Texas "win" and rail against the idea that caucus delegates would "overturn" that "democratic" result are perfectly fine with superdelegates overturning Obama's similar 51-47 lead nationally to select her as the nominee. We need to face facts. Obama has more votes, more pledged delegates, more total delegates and more states, and the none of that will change between now and June unless Hillary starts winning 80-20, which ain't gonna happen. I find it amazing that the media does not report that, and I think the primary reason for it is that the media, like the Clinton campaign, wants to cultivate the perception that this is still somehow a horse race. It's not, and it hasn't been since way before Texas and Ohio. For all you ardent Hillary supporters, consider this. After the debacle of Florida in 2000, do you really want to get your nominee in there through more undemocratic shenanigans? Do you really think superdelegates should overturn the results of the popular vote? Is that the Democratic party you signed up to support? Is that the ideal you want to put out there to the nation and to our children watching this race - that any tactic is acceptable so long as your team wins? I thought that's what we hated the most about the Bush/Cheney/Rove menatlity these past 8 years. I have no problem with Hillary playing out the string and seeing what happens, but if you think a vicious contest filled with more personal/race/gender attacks every day (which will be increasingly necessary given how lilttle these two differ on actual policies) is somehow "good" for the party, you're kidding yourself. The groups on the receiving end of those attacks will not just forget them come general election time, and it WILL have an impact on support for the eventual nominee. No matter who you support, please try to remember that the goal is to put someone in the nominee spot and, hopefully, the White House who embodies all the best principles we believe in as members of the party. So it's not just the result that matters, but the means we use to get there.

By: C Kopcho

C Kopcho — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 00:40:35 +0000

Actually the Texas votes are not finalized until June 6 at the State level convention.

March 29 is the county/senate district convention date and will determine which delegates go to the June 6 convention.

Since none of you apparently know what you're talking about, I thought I'd help you out. The amount of ignorance spread across these boards is quite disheartening.

By: Good Moms For Hillary

Good Moms For Hillary — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 00:39:35 +0000

Hey Obama supporters- they don't serve cocktails at a caucus! No need to get there so fast!
Seriously though, presidents do not get elected via a caucus- they get elected by popular vote. Having a good chunk of Hillary's base- seniors- be asked to go vote twice in one day or even twice in seperate days is not fair to them. Another important base for Hillary, women, probably couldn't make the caucus as the day after was a big standardized testing day for many children. That's why I didn't caucus but voted in the popular vote. Think about it, when you were a child, would your mother go sit at a caucus until 11pm the day before you had statewide testing or would she stay in and ensure you got to bed early? I know what every good mother would do!
The caucus does not represent the will of the general population as Texas has shown.

By: Obama Supporters.....

Obama Supporters..... — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 00:39:24 +0000

James E. F. Riley, Sr. – I take it your county voted for Senator Obama?

I too was around for the NAFTA discussions and I believe that there were discussions with numerous companies regarding the impact of NAFTA.......oh, and wasn't that done by Clinton predecessor? Think so.

So I can figure however that you are pro amnesty, pro nuclear weapons, and pro Senator Obama's view. Guess that too means that you support someone voted #1 in the Senate for having voted consistently for funding the war and regretting voting regarding the gal in Florida – even though he knew it was the wrong vote given your background as a Constitutional Law Professor.

Well, if that is all your standards....cool. Mine are alot higher.