March 13th, 2008
05:10 PM ET
6 years ago

Florida's Dems reject mail-in primary plan

TALLAHASSEE, Florida (CNN) - Florida's Democrats in Congress rejected Thursday a plan for a combined mail-in and in-person primary election to let the state regain its 210 national convention delegates.

The plan, floated earlier by state party officials, would have set the combination vote for June 3 in an effort to replace delegates lost when Florida moved its primary ahead of the approved time frame.

"After reviewing the party's proposal and individually discussing this idea with state and local leaders and elections experts, we do not believe that this is a realistic option at this time and remain opposed to a mail-in ballot election or any new primary election in Florida of any kind," read a statement released Thursday afternoon by the states Democratic congressional delegation.

Under the state party's plan, fund-raising and public comment would begin immediately.

"The plan would be inclusive of all Democratic voters," according to a memo accompanying the draft plan that was sent Wednesday night to party leaders, including Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean and Sens. Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton, the party's candidates for the presidential nomination.

Any plan would need the blessings of the DNC and the Clinton and Obama campaigns.

"We really believe that all Floridians deserve to be heard," said state party Chairwoman Karen Thurman, but "if this is not what the people of Florida and our presidential candidates want, then we're not going to do it."

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  1. Jeff

    "Any plan would need the blessings of the DNC and the Clinton and Obama campaigns."

    – Obama does not want these votes counted, he will NEVER agree to it, sorry Clinton you lose!

    March 13, 2008 05:33 pm at 5:33 pm |
  2. Carlos

    Sounds to me like Florida's democrats are backing Clinton and just want the delegates seated as is so they will reject any proposal of a revote. FL and MI broke they rules. The votes should not count!

    Obama '08!

    March 13, 2008 05:34 pm at 5:34 pm |
  3. Joe

    Thank god they rejected it.. It was a stupid idea to begin with... On a side note, Hillary is a Monster...

    March 13, 2008 05:35 pm at 5:35 pm |
  4. bond

    Why can't Florida's leadership ever get their act together? Zero delegates as it should be. The rest of the country pays you no sympathy, boo hoo.

    March 13, 2008 05:37 pm at 5:37 pm |
  5. CHERYL

    WE DO NOT NEED IT!

    THERE WAS RECORD TURN OUT AT THE POLLS!

    EVERYONE CAME OUT AND VOTED THAT WAS GOING TO!

    JUST GIVE THE DELEGATES OUT AND BE DONE WITH IT!!!!!!

    FLORIDA IS FULL OF A BUNCH OF MORONS!!!!!!!

    THIS IS THE SECOND TIME THAT A REPUBLICAN CONTROLLED STATE HAS DONE THIS !

    AREN'T PEOPLE GETTING TIRED OF IT?

    GIVE SENATOR CLINTON HER DELEGATES!

    March 13, 2008 05:40 pm at 5:40 pm |
  6. Johnson

    Doesn't make much sense to me to have a mail-in-ballot. People often times throw away mail and some of them might not get back to them for quite some time. I would say that they redo the whole primary..or better yet have a caucus. Caucuses are easy and they can be held in peoples home so the amount of $ needed for that purpose would not be significant for the democratic party. I know caucuses take time..but those individuals who are truly devoted to politics SHOULD get preference in this election. Either way, people will have to count ballots so that price will be consistent irregardless of what the democrats do.

    March 13, 2008 05:40 pm at 5:40 pm |
  7. Yeswecan

    From 2 million voters point of view, they have already vote. Make their votes not count for is stupid. Make them vote again and again is ever worse.

    March 13, 2008 05:42 pm at 5:42 pm |
  8. joe m.

    if florida dem. party officials are not willing to consider what appears to be their best options, then their delegates could watch the convention in their homes in florida. it is bad enough that they are actually getting a re-do, despite willfully breaking the rules, now they want to dictate the absolute terms of how this re-do will be like. florida voters need to remember the actions of their leaders and make sure that they have their feelings and thoughts heard in their next state elections.

    March 13, 2008 05:43 pm at 5:43 pm |
  9. dlr

    Fantastic!

    The public officials of Florida, are finally using excellent 'Judgement"!!!

    Stop letting your GOP Governor manipulating you!!! He got you in this mess to begin with!!!

    March 13, 2008 05:43 pm at 5:43 pm |
  10. A.M. Saqib

    Come on it does not take 'Albert Einstien' to figure this out. No respect of rules and regulations of 'DNC', no vote. It is as simple as this. Florida official representatives knew this ruling of 'DNC" well ahead of time, so what were they thinking when they went ahead anyways. It is them that should suffer, not any another tax payer.

    Although I am a Democrat, and will agree 'Reagan' style – when he fired 12,000 Federal Employees (Air Controllers) on illegal strike issue.

    End of story!

    A.M. Saqib
    Houston, Texas

    March 13, 2008 05:44 pm at 5:44 pm |
  11. CHICANO ART, ARIZONA

    Those delegates will be seated. I cannot imagine a situation where they are not seated. Obama's idea that they be split is not only undemocratic it is outrageous. They should be willing to go and campaign. They have claimed that everywhere Obama goes he gains support. I wonder why he believes he will not be recieved warmly in Florida and Michigan. Maybe leading a fight to disenfranchise their votes and voice is probably the reason. I am sorry Obama Dramas, but you guys cannot win this augument. Anybody that says it is unfortunate that voters will be disenfrachised but it it the rules is not going to convince the American people, not including African Americans.
    GO HILLARY CLINTON
    FIGHT ON GIRL

    March 13, 2008 05:45 pm at 5:45 pm |
  12. Independent

    Good. These states must be made to understand that they will NOT play a bigger part in our presidentail election then everyone else. Follow the same rules or pay the consequences. Now, lets split the votes 50/50 and move on already.

    FL and MI voters can formally thank their state govenors for creating this mess during the next election.

    March 13, 2008 05:47 pm at 5:47 pm |
  13. Republican for Obama

    This is too rich, grow up Floridians. First you break the rules knowing what would happen then cry you aren't getting your way. Then when people try to plan a way for your votes to count you cry about not liking that plan. It appears you want it your way or no way. Well I think a lot of the states that followed the rules would be happy to send you packing. Will Florida ever be able to hold a fair election process while following the rules designed to keep things fair? At this rate it doesn't look like it :(

    March 13, 2008 05:47 pm at 5:47 pm |
  14. ScottC

    it looks like this road block isn't going to be resolved.

    Looks like they are either going to have to exclude the delegates or cut them up 50/50

    nobody can contend that the Florida primary was fair to both parties.

    Obama was unable to campaign, at the time he was a relative unknown next to Clinton (who DID hold several "fund raising" events before the primary)

    The results are completely skewed and are unacceptable "as-is"

    Even a re-vote is unfair to Obama. People may see Clinton's self serving crusade for a re-vote as a reason to give HER their vote instead of Obama.

    Florida's unwillingness to follow simple rules and a candidates ruthless attempt to steal an election should not be the reason for her to win a state.

    There is no way to hold a NEW impartial primary.

    So the original DNC ruling has to stand as is.

    March 13, 2008 05:48 pm at 5:48 pm |
  15. Philly Kid

    Florida Democrats can't agree on a solution, hence the DNC has only two responsible responses left and those are either to uphold their ruling and strip them of their many delegates or share them evenly between the two candidates. Either way Clinton ultimately loses. Sorry ol' gal, it's just not yours this time.

    March 13, 2008 05:49 pm at 5:49 pm |
  16. Hans - Atlanta

    Can someone explain to me why the Florida's Democratic congressional delegation is being so stubborn? Why won't they fix the problem they created? The officials in Florida only want to cry fowl to the problem they created. This is just more hipocracy in democracy.

    March 13, 2008 05:49 pm at 5:49 pm |
  17. Michael, North Carolina

    The best thing to do is to split the vote. This will be the fair way to do it.

    I MUST SAY THAT KEITH OLBERMANN WAS AWESOME LAST NIGHT WHEN HE TOLD SEN. CLINTON TO DENOUNCE, REJECT GERALDINE FERRARO.

    THEIR IS GOOD NEWS FOR SEN. OBAMA HERE IN NORTH CAROLINA. DALE EARNHEART JR. JUST ENDORSED SEN. OBAMA THAT IS GREAT. SEN. OBAMA AN AMERICAN HERO.

    YES WE CAN
    OBAMA/EDWARDS '08

    March 13, 2008 05:49 pm at 5:49 pm |
  18. republican voter

    What about the 48 states that obeyed the rules?? We think it is very unfair to allow FL and MI to have a do over. If we allow these two this year what can we expect in four years. As adults we teach our children (at least I hope we teach them) that when you break the rules you must face the consequences. O.K. FL and MI you knew what the consequences would be. Sit down and take your punishment. The best way to seat those delegates are to allow them to be at the convention but, the votes will be split equally!!!! Nice people of FL and MI when your elected officials come up for office again you may then show your displeasure by not voting for them, That will send a message loud and clear.

    March 13, 2008 05:50 pm at 5:50 pm |
  19. Rick Aucoin

    They believe all Floridians deserve to be heard, but are against the proposed mail in primary vote. Brilliant. Thank you, Florida, for yet again jacking up a presidential election. Your state has to be the worst of all 50 for corruption and incompetence.

    March 13, 2008 05:51 pm at 5:51 pm |
  20. Jack, Michigan

    The situation is even worse in Michigan, where the Michigan governor (Jennifer Granholm), an ardent supporter of Hillary Clinton, conducted a bogus election in which Senator Obama was not even on the ballot. This sort of "Russian election" is not tolerable. Granholm created the problem. Ask her how she is going to fix it. Both of these states need to revote, or it simply isn't fair. The politicians in these states that screwed it up need to fix it.

    March 13, 2008 05:51 pm at 5:51 pm |
  21. Jason

    Florida and Michigan broke the rules. Why are we still discussing this? If the big deal is that neither can get the 2025 (which is not true – do the math) than adust the 2025. Whoever has the most delegates when its all said and done gets the nomination. We dont need FL or MI. They will still be able to vote in November – just dont mess it up a second time.

    March 13, 2008 05:52 pm at 5:52 pm |
  22. Paul

    Bravo to the Florida Democrats for standing up for what is right. I do not support disenfranchising voters at any time, but frankly I think that Florida and Michigan both knew what they were doing when they moved up their elections. Personally, I believe that Florida has caused enough problems in this country over the past 8 years – between hanging chads in 2000 and this fiasco now, the people of Florida need to recognize that their lawmakers and their election process is broken and they need to just not be seated this year, period. Perhaps that will send a message to the Florida lawmakers to fix their system and quit trying to tamper with elections. So, I apologize to Florida voters who were let down by their elected officials, but there is no fair way to let Florida revote; those delegates should not be seated. If they are, it is a travesty and a sham.

    March 13, 2008 05:52 pm at 5:52 pm |
  23. Alexandria, VA

    Very misleading post: "Florida's Dems" is not the same as Florida's Democratic House Delegation. This is a group of Congressman from FL. Last I heard they are not the final arbiters of whether this happens or not.

    March 13, 2008 05:52 pm at 5:52 pm |
  24. Dan (TX)

    Give it up folks! You guys thought you were more important than the other 48 states, broke the party's rules and now you should just sit this one out and think about what you've done to your state's voters.

    This nomination process is going to come down to the superdelegates anyway – so why bother. Spend your limited funds to make sure the November election works correctly for a change.

    This is like having a football team score a touchdown before the game started (without the other team on the field) and then asking the referees to count those points. Come on – enough already.

    Like I commented months ago: FL and MI voters – you're just wasting your time. Time you can't get back. Hope you didn't waste all day doing it! :)

    March 13, 2008 05:52 pm at 5:52 pm |
  25. Darth Vadik, CA

    Good, hold a caucus that way Republicans can't mess with it.

    March 13, 2008 05:52 pm at 5:52 pm |
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