Comments on: Florida's Dems reject mail-in primary plan

By: hkitty

hkitty — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 02:09:08 +0000

The Democrats of Florida want our votes counted. If not, we'll take them with us to the Republican camp in November. "You broke the rules, so you don't get to vote". Keep reciting that statement all you want, but your O'man will pay the price in November. Don't count on Florida for the Dems in November!

By: Ivory Tickler

Ivory Tickler — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 02:08:47 +0000

Florida is starting to leave a bad taste politically speaking. Florida was the problem in 2000, part of the problem in 2004, and now this. Florida should NOT be allowed to vote – PERIOD!

They knew what they were getting into when they turned thier back on the DNC, NOW they want the DNC's forgiveness? What type of example does that set for my son? Why type of example does that set for the United States? Haven't we broken or ignored enough rules in the past 8 years? Now, it's seeping over to the Democrats?

By: Sheila

Sheila — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 02:08:27 +0000

No re-vote, no delegates.. The people of Florida voted in these Republicans and DINO's and as far as I am concerned, they entrust those lawmakers to do what is right in their name. With enough pressure, the Gov could have veto'd the bill. All Dem primaries should be closed to avoid the shenanigans going on right now..

By: Mitty Coleman

Mitty Coleman — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 01:56:45 +0000

As a Florida voter I am pleased with the decision.

By: Joseph

Joseph — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 01:54:00 +0000

That's it, pack it in she meaning Hillary need to concede this thing, there is no way in the world she can catch him now. No revotes in Fl and MI doesn't want to do it either. Even if she gets a few delegates from PA it will all be erased by the next contest in IN and NC and then it's a long losing streak from there on out to PR where apperantly she believes she has an advantage because they are hispanics, well I don't know if someone told her this but Puerto ricans are NOT Mexicans and growing up with both in my neighborhood their's not a big difference between blacks and puerto ricans in other words don't look for a victory there.

By: LT

LT — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 01:51:27 +0000

Sorry Florida. You diserve to be heard, but you need to understand that if we don't play by the ruls, we must pay the consequenses.

By: Old Dave

Old Dave — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 01:46:18 +0000

And I don't want to hear them complaining about who won later!

By: Jay Ludke

Jay Ludke — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 01:45:23 +0000

It's sad when free political speech in this country is thwarted under the "racist" claim. Geraldine Ferraro is no racist and the Obama campaign and their supporters should be ashamed for making this accusation. Heck, Obama's own wife (Michelle) said worse things about his apparent "stinky" side in her interview earlier this year.

By: Albo

Albo — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 01:44:57 +0000

SUMMARY:

1) IF A RE-VOTE HAPPENS, IT CAN BE ONLY IF APPROVED BY BOTHCAMPAIGN. iF NOT, IT WOULD BE ILLEGAL AND REVERSABLE IN COURT

2) UNDER THE GIVEN CONDITIONS, A CREDIBLE MAIL-IN VOTE IS
IMPOSSIBLE, SUBJECT TO FRAUD AND ERRORS, AND THEREFORE EQUALLY REJECTABLE IN COURT

3) THERE IS NO FUNDING SOURCE IN SIGHT for ANY RE-VOTE

4) IT IS OBVIOUS THAT HILLARY IS REALLY NOT INTERESTED AT
ANY RE-VOTE. ALL THIS THEATER IS ONLY A INTENT TO SEAR THE
FLAWED DELEGATES VOTED IN JANUARY BOTH IN MICHIGAN AND FLORIDA, WHICH WOULD BE AGAIN EVEN MORE ILLEGAL

5) SHOULD A RE-VOTE HAPPEN, IT WOULD, GIVEN THE PERSPECTIVES SHOWN BY THE OPINION POLLS, RENDER A DELEGATE SHIFT OF MAXIMAL +/- 15 , THERFORE ALL SAID THEATER WOULD BE TOTALLY MEANINGLESS , AFTER MANY
MILLIONS $ SPENT !

ALBO

By: Old Dave

Old Dave — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 01:43:45 +0000

This is a simple case of the DNC in FLA being a bunch of sore losers and whining about doing it again. They should take their medicine and shut up.

By: BK

BK — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 01:40:25 +0000

Florida votes should have counted as is. I'm still looking for the headlines about Obama's racist preacher. He really hates white people.

By: Jerry of PA

Jerry of PA — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 01:39:36 +0000

Yes, but the pledged delegates of FL should be seated. Obama has said they should be and I agree. The only fair way is a 50-50 split.
As far as the superdelegates, that can be open for discussion. They should go with the candidate with the most pledged delegates. At present Obama is up at least 160 pledged delegates.
If everything was reversed, everyone would be asking Obama to drop out and rally the party around Hillary. The show is over. Lets just redo Michigan in April (without repeat Republican Primary voters) and crown Obama after he wins.

By: Doug in Orlando, Fla

Doug in Orlando, Fla — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 01:39:33 +0000

Ya think she made racists statements? She is just a person giving an opinion. Talking racism to obama or his supporters is like preaching to the quire, wait it is the preacher preaching to the quire. Obama yelling race foul is so freakin funny it is pathetic. He has been at a church for 20 years listening and supporting a rev. that says god d@@@ america. The good rev has also said our government feeds drug to black people, what a joke. And that we should not lock people up for the 3 strikes. 20 years with this man. To me it explains the Michelle Obama statement "for the first time I am proud of this country". Oh and the icing on the cake is he said(the rev) that we are responcible for 9/11. I think everyone needs to look at Obama's preachers teachings. The fruit doesn't fall from the tree.

By: Kaye

Kaye — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 01:39:01 +0000

Oh my god...I'm moving anywhere that isn't called "Florida". Our elected officials at the state and federal level are pathetic. State legislators moved the primary with Gov's blessing. Now, they cry "foul". Congressional House delegation says "No re-vote!". Well, this is another fine mess the politicians have gotten us into....don't blame the DNC, they've been clear from the get-go. Florida made it's bed in the prickle patch - now we can lay there and scream but no one should pity our "unheard voices"....we asked for it.

By: Trev

Trev — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 01:36:15 +0000

Wolf:

Who broke the rules? Was it the voters? Still waiting.......... Exactly.

By: MP- Pennsylvania

MP- Pennsylvania — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 01:35:33 +0000

Great!!! Thanks for Dems in Florida thinking about the party. We need to set examples for others. We cannot correct one mistake with another mistake. At least Florida taught a very good lesson for everybody about breaking rules. Especially for the young generation. I know republicans would have like to go for a revote or anykind that will be a disgrace for the party in november

By: WAKE UP!!!!

WAKE UP!!!! — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 01:28:36 +0000

They broke the rules and now they have to suffer the consequences!!!! Seat the delegates at the convention with neither candidate gaining an delegates.... FAIR IS FAIR....
For all those that will say the Floridan will be upset that their votes were not counted, you must remember it is there political party in Florida fault not Hillary or Obama so please keep the hating on the candidates to a minimum. Remember, we must unite as one whenever a nominee is named!!!!!!!
Thanks.

By: Bill, Covington,LA

Bill, Covington,LA — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 01:28:22 +0000

Please explain to me in simple terms so I can understand.

How could you give the people in Florida mail in ballots when they can't read a simple ballot or instructions. Think back to the 2000 election, then foreward to the 2004 election. Then you want them to vote on mail in ballots. They (democrats) dont have the brains to lick the envelope to seal it, and would probably neglect to enclose the ballot.

By: ICL

ICL — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 01:26:33 +0000

I submitted my comment but it was not posted. Can someone tell me why?

By: Sandy

Sandy — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 01:26:07 +0000

They are right to reject it. I wouldn't trust the Obama campaign or their Republican allies not to instill fraud in a mail-in vote.

But Obama would be very very very foolish to disenfranchise Florida.
He ran advertisements there, not HRC>

By: Nannie Turner

Nannie Turner — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 01:25:41 +0000

Good,now we will see if Dean and the DNC have the backbone to seat these delegates.

By: Lee

Lee — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 01:24:33 +0000

Seat the delegates that they have now, it's unamerican not to count an election that has already been held, it would be unamerican not to honor the will of the people, the people of Florida have already spoken, shame on Howard Dean.

By: 4 Obama NC

4 Obama NC — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 01:23:15 +0000

It's not a matter of a re-vote it's about the rules, FL an Mich broke them. I feel for the people but they too knew when they voted it would not count, and now you want them to pay for the politicians who jumped the gun. I seriously hope the people would wake to smell the coffee. There must be something in for them, not the people but for the politician. Well, better luck in four years, this time follow the rules.

By: John, Las Vegas, NV

John, Las Vegas, NV — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 01:22:10 +0000

When I was a kid in Wisconsin, at picnics in the summer they would have piles of sawdust with pennies in them, and kids would dive in to see how much they could dig out. How about if in Florida the Dems have a big pile of chad with 100 pennies in it, and Hillary and Barack dive in and however many pennies they find, that's the percent of the delegates they get. Would be almost as much fun watching that as watching the utter chaos in the Democratic primary season.

By: segun

segun — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 01:21:43 +0000

If we cannot trust florida with in person vote count how can we trust them with mail in vote. Let us remember 2000 election. We shouldn't be changing rule in the middle of the game. there should be no re-do

By: Chuck

Chuck — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 01:18:12 +0000

"We didn't mess up the primary, the REPUBLICANS did." "Vote for me, I'm a DEMOCRAT!" Think these folks are screwing the voters just so they can get votes come election time... SAD

By: karen hussein

karen hussein — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 01:16:38 +0000

Why is florida always causing trouble with elections

By: Jeanne Beans

Jeanne Beans — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 01:16:32 +0000

Thank you God! There are actually some people in Fl with some common sense! Now we can close this chapter.

Next time, pay attention to the rules and follow them instead of whining and expecting special treatment later.

We are beyond allowing even the possibility of corrupt voting procedures...even in FL!

By: voice of reason, us Virgin Islands

voice of reason, us Virgin Islands — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 01:15:40 +0000

SPLIT THE VOTES IN HALF! Give half of MI + FL to each of the remaining candidates and then seat their delegates. That way everybody wins...

Thank you Gov Dean for your FAIRNESS, WISDOM, and non-partisanship – you are truly the election doctor. I especially appreciate that you voted for neither candidate. Keep it honest, the whole world, again, is watching. Dean didn't make the rules: Florida Mich signed off on them, together with Obama and Clinton. Rules are rules

To Florida and Michigan: Fire your elected officials the next time they are up for hire. Everybody I know personally stayed home because we thought it wouldn't count. What's next? Going to the supreme court to have them decide a state matter like 2000?

By: Dave in Florida

Dave in Florida — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 01:15:29 +0000

I voted knowing my vote would'nt count because of them breaking the DNC rules. I do not want a revote in my state. What's done is done....The only reason why it's being brought up now is that Hilary needs us.

Many people that were going to vote that day stayed home because of the vote not counting including my wife...Alot of Obama supporters stayed home because of the vote not counting.

By: ascencioncastaneda

ascencioncastaneda — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 01:09:56 +0000

Thanks God now we do not have to hear your stuipid demand for revote. Case Closed no more barking from the Wolf. You Break the rule you pay the price.
NOT , IN FIRST PLACE THIS PENALITY IS ABSURD. FOR OWN PARTY TO IMPOSE THIS TYPE OF CRAP ON ITS OWN PEOPLE SHOULD BE CRIMINAL. TO DISFRANCHISE IN THIS MANNER. ALL THEY ARE DOING IS ALLOWING REPUB'S TO WIN IN NOVEMBER GENERAL ELECTION.

By: Teresa in Kansas

Teresa in Kansas — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 01:07:32 +0000

Just split the delegates 50/50 and move on!!!

By: Ben

Ben — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 01:06:22 +0000

Indeed. Imagine next primary season when all the other states realize they do not have to follow the rules.

By: annie

annie — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 01:05:34 +0000

Why do we need a 'do-over'? Why not let the orignal vote count and be done with it?

By: lynette

lynette — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 01:00:20 +0000

everyone should have the right to vote! last time i checked i thought this was the USA?????? where do you live at wolf????

By: Ronald, Patriotic expat

Ronald, Patriotic expat — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 01:00:19 +0000

Blitzer should apologize to Wexler for how rude he was yesterday in their interview. FL & MI knowingly broke the rules . . . in a Spitzer world, you pay the price. Only in the Clinton world do you get away with breaking the rules.

Oh, and CNN needs to be a little more consistent in how they censor, sorry "moderate", these comments. You let a lot of comments through which are horribly offensive personal attacks. Shame on you.

By: Darryl,

Darryl, — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 00:56:42 +0000

So, what will Hillary do now?

Hillary may now want to threaten to go to court.

The rules don't apply to her.

By: ron

ron — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 00:53:13 +0000

I'm an Obama supporter and I do support a recount. But whoever dreamed up the idea for a mail-in vote needs to be fired. The states that do have a mail-in ballot developed it over the course of 10 years not 10 minutes....

By: Audbrey, Florida

Audbrey, Florida — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 00:50:17 +0000

I have voted democrat for over 10yrs but if my vote does not count than I will definently vote for McCain (not a bad choice anyway). I know there are many like me. Can the democrats afford to lose are swing state?

By: Deirdre

Deirdre — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 22:46:26 +0000

Oh for God's sake, stop anguishing over what to do. Just distribute the delegates according to the already held, fair and legitimate election. It was an even playing field for all contestants (except that Obama ran an ad there in defiance of an earlier agreement). No one should complain about that. . . just let it go. Let the voices and votes of the Floridians be heard.

By: phillip, monterey ca

phillip, monterey ca — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 22:46:21 +0000

THANK GOODNESS!!!! SO WE CAN MOVE ON !!!!!
1 OF 2 OPTIONS REMAIN

1. EITHER ENFORCE THE RULES AND DONT SIT THEM. ( I AGREE WITH THIS ONE)

2. SPLIT THEM 50/50 AND SEAT THEM

YES WE CAN OBAMA 08 !!!!!!!!!!!

By: James

James — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 22:46:15 +0000

Thank god. However this fight is not over. Hillary is going to file lawsuit after lawsuit to get the super delegates seated.

By: helena

helena — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 22:45:43 +0000

I don't know if anyone is seeing what game Hillary clinton is playing at here, when they agreed to sign that the florida and Michigan votes would not count , it was because she was so sure beyond any reasonable duobt that by february super tuesday she would be the nominee, things did,nt quite work out that way so now she is desparate and ambitious enough to pull out any stunts to win this election because she feel entitled to it, that is just my opinionshe did not realize that she would be fighting for the president and that is why she is trying to pull in the florida and michigan votes not because she cares about the voters voices counting, but because she wants to win this race no matter what

By: dj

dj — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 22:44:09 +0000

what exactly is it that the florida voters just aren't getting? here it is, once again, plain and simple.

a) in late 2006 the rules were agreed to by all parties, including state party officials.

b) state party officials were informed at that time, that if they moved up their primaries, they would be punished. half the delegates for republicans, all delegates for democrats.

c) florida and michigan moved their primaries up, in violation to the agreed rules, and were sanctioned.

d) no voters were disenfranchised, as they were able to freely vote/not vote in primaries that were in violation of scheduling rules.

e) for violating the rules, both parties were officially sanctioned by their respective parties.

as the primaries were held, the results should stand as well as the sanctions levied against both states. voters voted/not voted freely, so no one was disenfranchised. if anyone is to be blamed, blame the local party officials, who knew full well the consequences of moving up the primaries, not the candidates or national party officials.

By: Peg

Peg — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 22:43:35 +0000

It's really impossible for either of the candidates to agree with any sort of "do-over" at this point in time. Someone will feel cheated.

Mr. Dean should have seen this as a possible result and prevented it from happening as it now has the potential to screw everything up, even splitting the democratic party. If a nominee isn't decided BEFORE May or June......we have a real problem both with our party (splitting, as they seem to be doing now) and with the Republicans being in a stronger position to win in the fall. He should get his body in gear and get those super delegates to swing over to the leader at this point, so it will be very clear who the nominee really is.

By: no primary election

no primary election — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 22:41:45 +0000

RULES ARE RULES! IF YOU BREAK THEM, YOU PAY THE PRICE!

By: Matthew

Matthew — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 22:40:46 +0000

The delegates are going to be seated one way or another, wolf.

By: Jenny from IN

Jenny from IN — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 22:40:34 +0000

I don't think anyone should be disenfranchised, but these states were warned.

They broke the rules.

If you seat them at the convention, you're telling every other state that in the future they can try to move up their primaries. What they really need is a system where they rotate the dates of each states primary vote so every state gets an opportunity every few years to have a say.

But we can't seat these delegates.

By: MJG, Castle Rock, CO

MJG, Castle Rock, CO — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 22:36:55 +0000

Dear Mrs. Chairwoman Karen Thurman,

You acted very irresponsible. You should not blame the DNC or the candidates. You are the one to blame!

The rules are the rules. You knew the consequences upfront when you broke the rule.

MJG

By: Mary Z Thorsen

Mary Z Thorsen — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 22:36:40 +0000

No plan will be percieved as fair to all parties, including the rest of the states [ those other than Florida and Michigan] who just want to go forward. Any attempt to fix this is digging a deeper hole. A very expensive hole. And while the Dems are digging MCCain is digg'in it! Is our party unable to compremise to win in November? The rules were broke the consequences are as they stand. We don't have the resources of time and money to undo the broken system during this important race. I would like to see voters of these states stand for the good of the party and let this go. It would be an honorable sacrifice. Then we need to repair the problems before this happens again. None of this is right or fair. We can only do what is best. Follow the plan. Make sure this never happens again, Just because Dems cut off their nose to spite their face is no reason to now shoot themselves in the foot.