April 2, 2008
Posted: 06:50 PM ET
 Rove said Obama will be viewed by many as an elitist.
Rove said Obama will be viewed by many as an elitist.

(CNN) — It was an issue that caused a stir last fall, and one that former Bush strategist Karl Rove predicts may plague Barack Obama in the general election.

In a newly-published interview with GQ magazine, Rove says Obama's reluctance to wear a flag pin on his lapel may translate as elitism to many blue collar democrats.

"There are Democrats, particularly blue-collar Democrats, who defect to McCain because they see McCain as a patriotic figure and they see Obama as an elitist who's looking down his nose at 'em, which he is," Rove told the magazine.

"That comment where he said, you know, 'After 9/11, I didn't wear a flag lapel pin because true patriotism consists of speaking out on the issues, not wearing a flag lapel pin?’ Well, to a lot of ordinary people, putting that flag lapel pin on is true patriotism. It's a statement of their patriotic love of the country. And for him to sit there and dismiss it as he did…" Rove added.

The Obama campaign declined to comment on Rove's remarks.

In early October, an Iowa reporter asked Obama why he was not wearing a flag pin on his lapel, as many politicians do. The Illinois senator said he wore one shortly after 9/11, but later decided to show his patriotism in other ways.

"After a while, you start noticing people wearing the lapel pin but not acting very patriotic,” he said then. “My attitude is that I'm less concerned with what you're wearing on your lapel than what's in your heart. You show your patriotism by how you treat your fellow Americans, especially those ones who serve."

His Democratic rivals at the time dismissed it as a non-issue, but the comments were posted on several conservative blogs, and sparked several anonymous e-mails that questioned Obama's patriotism.

In the new interview with GQ, Rove suggested the comments were among those that showed Obama is "coolly detached and very arrogant."

"I think he's very smart and knows he's smart, but as a result doesn't do his homework," Rove also said.

In the wide ranging interview, Rove also praised Clinton's now-famous 3 a.m. as "gutsy."

"It was a gutsy, dangerous move — She figured out that she had to do something to raise the issue of: Is he fit to be president? And this was a way to do it," he said. "I happened to be in Texas a week before the ad popped, and all of her surrogates were hitting him pretty hard on the thinness of his experience. They were pretty brutal. And this ad sort of fed into that."

– CNN Ticker Producer Alexander Mooney

Filed under: Barack Obama • Karl Rove


uchujin   April 2nd, 2008 8:03 pm ET

Spot on Andrew! Pretty much what I said that didn't get posted. I'd wager my patriotism (or that of Reverend Wright or Barack Obama) against Carl Rove's any day. I resent being made to feel like less of an American because I choose to criticize my government when its wrong, choose not to wear a lapel pin, recite the pledge of allegiance as an adult, sing the national anthem or put my hand over my heart when it plays, or fly the flag on every national holiday. This kind of BS jingoistic rhetoric leads to Fascism not freedom.

Southerner For Obama   April 2nd, 2008 8:02 pm ET

Good Grief!!! Who in his/her right mind would even entertain or respond to such a lying, deceitful, low life as Rove? I see the Obama campaign chose to not respond. This tells me Rove's comments didnt deserve a comment. Way to go Obama

Rove–Get a Life

kenny cole   April 2nd, 2008 8:02 pm ET

NEUTRAL or what do you call yourself stick your HATRED up for yourself take off the color blind off your face and be mature

justin   April 2nd, 2008 8:02 pm ET

hey look, ROVE ISN"T WEARING A FLAG PIN IN THAT PICTURE
HAHAHAHAH

Terry   April 2nd, 2008 8:00 pm ET

I would guess America relishes the opportunity to have their shot at Karl (Marx) Rove. Let's remember his brownshirt politics are a huge reason for our economic and worldly woes.

Louis   April 2nd, 2008 7:59 pm ET

Let me get this straight–if you don't wear a flag pin, you're unpatriotic. If you send 4,000 soldiers to their death in a war under false pretenses (no WMD, no link between Saddam and Al Quaida) you are a patriot. There will be a special place in hell for Rove and company.

58 old white ladies for OBAMA   April 2nd, 2008 7:56 pm ET

NOTHING THIS "MAN" SAYS, DOES OR THINKS MATTERS TO US.

YOU CAN FEEL FREE, NOT TO KEEP US INFORMED ABOUT

ANYTHING TO DO WITH HIM.

kenny cole   April 2nd, 2008 7:55 pm ET

Who cares who and what anyone wear,MR.ROVE you have no mouth in this one you are a disgrace to this country please shot up your mouth

B in NC   April 2nd, 2008 7:53 pm ET

How many of those people who complain about Obama not wearing a flag lapel pin wear one themselves? Hmmmmm? Not seeing one on Karl Rove in that picture…

Everyone should carry around a bag of lapel pins to hand out to the whiners who don't wear one themselves.

Larry from LA   April 2nd, 2008 7:52 pm ET

Mr. Rove please take your medication. I think we should not vote for Obama because he does not wear a flag pin. What are you kidding???

gabriel   April 2nd, 2008 7:51 pm ET

who asked you karl? i thought you retired. please disappear.
what is patriotism any way? blind adherence? flag pin. gimme a break.

AW NYer   April 2nd, 2008 7:50 pm ET

Karl Rove's brand of Patriotism should have him indicted and in jail. The smug, arrogant elitists are the cadre of Bushies in Office or who served in GW's Administrations who smirk at the Constitution, wrap themselves in the flag, devine their own truths, and then do whatever they think they can get away with.

I doubt that you'll print this, but it's true. That's why we're in the domestic, international and morale mess we're suffering.

Pat   April 2nd, 2008 7:49 pm ET

Rove…you're not even relevant. Go somewhere….sit down and SHUT UP!!!

Obama Supporter   April 2nd, 2008 7:49 pm ET

I guess Obama is above people like my grandfather who fought in the infantry in WWII. Fighting for your country vs "showing your patriotism in other ways"? I pick Grandpa. I wonder what alternate ways he has to express his faith in God.

Nicknas   April 2nd, 2008 7:48 pm ET

I and My family has served in combat for this nation for 3 generations with Honor and decorations. I DARE that fat pig to say to MY face that I am not patriotic because guess what? I have NEVER worn a flag pin in my LIFE. SO WHAT?

Ryan, Los Angeles   April 2nd, 2008 7:47 pm ET

I'm a Hillary supporter and rooting for her all the way….but statements like this from Rove will definitely help galvanize our party IF Obama should win.

Obama and Hillary supporters unite during the general election!! No more Rove and his buddies please.

Flag lapel??? Really???

Mike   April 2nd, 2008 7:46 pm ET

Ahh the bias of CNN people. Amazing. Take the issue for what it is, not for who is saying it. Put your juvenile demo/cons politics aside and realize that this isn't either. This is either an issue or not an issue, the fact of the matter is this: He think because OTHER people wear the pin and are 'hypocritical' that HE can't wear the pin. Set an example Obama.

For you psuedo-intellectual wannabe's, grow up. If you think political sides matter do us all a favor and slap yourself back to your desk jobs where you people actually need your opinion. Dissapointed that the majority of you are adults.

The issue at hand: Obama's choices. Not Karl Rove. Save it for something else.

Jeff Maurer   April 2nd, 2008 7:45 pm ET

I don't wear a flag pin either. Does that make me unpatriotic? I spent a year in Vietnam, and retired from the Marine Corps as a Lt. Colonel, so I would like to have some neocon tell me that I was not patriotic. Patriotism, as Barack says, is by doing not by simply wearing a lapel pin. Bush wears a flag pin, and he is not patriotic as far as I am concerned, as he lied in getting us into war, and he has failed to take care of our wounded troops coming home. Rove and Bush should be ashamed and I would have no problem standing face to face and telling them that they are not patriots, especially Bush who joined the National Guard during Nam, which was one way, besides going to Canada, for getting out of going over there. Give me a break….

Herman LA, CA   April 2nd, 2008 7:45 pm ET

Give me a darn break!!!

Wearing a dam flag pin on my collar is NOT going to put food on my table, nor is it going to lower gas prices, nor is it going to end this darn war, nor is it going end the foreclosure crises.

So give me a break….

End of story…

John in San Antonio   April 2nd, 2008 7:45 pm ET

"Rove says Obama's reluctance to wear a flag pin on his lapel may translate as elitism to many blue collar democrats."

Rove doesn't hold blue collar people in a very high regard if he thinks that wearing a pin will make a difference to them. Talk about elitism?

laura, CA   April 2nd, 2008 7:43 pm ET

wake up dems & supporters of obama especially, Rove is giving you a prelude of what is to come in November. These relatively baseless attacks are exactly what the GOP will use to blow over the empty suit aka Obama. They did it to Kerry and he actually has a resume, the lapel pin, wright, michelle's racist princeton thesis…this makes the proverbial GOP mouth water.

j   April 2nd, 2008 7:43 pm ET

Where is Karl Rove's flag pin? Fact is, he doesn't wear one. What a phony.

Anne B.   April 2nd, 2008 7:41 pm ET

I'm a Clinton supporter but I will not vote for McCain no matter what dirt Rove and other Republican morons try to dig up on Obama.

For me, either Clinton/Obama or Obama/Clinton will be fine.

Karl, please get back under the rock that you came from.

Carolyn (Dallas, TX)   April 2nd, 2008 7:35 pm ET

One of the great things about Obama is that he refuses to pay any attention to the non-issues.

Karl Rove's legacy is diversion. He diverts people from looking at the real issues at hand. Are you servious? Over 4000 dead in Iraq, a recession, torture and he's interested in questioning someone's patriotism over a pin?

I'd like to see a Republican talk about real issues for once. Issues that don't pander to fear and hatred. Karl Rove is one of the most significant players in turning the Congress and the Senate Democrat. Thank you Karl. Keep spewing hate and fear. The Democrats only win more.

Silly Season   April 2nd, 2008 7:35 pm ET

Rove and the Republicans will be exposed as the hypocrites they are. Karl, is it patriotic to send soldiers into battle without proper body armor and unprotected Humvees?

Jay   April 2nd, 2008 7:34 pm ET

Lana-

That is the most idiotic thing I've read in the last oh…20 minutes.

Get an education. Please. I'll chip in some $$$.

Jason Means   April 2nd, 2008 7:34 pm ET

Give me a break - I thought we got rid of Karl Rove months ago…. This guy will say anything - regardless of its validity - to pit one person against another. Karl Rove may have not invented the Dirty Republican Playbook, but he's sure added a few pages to it over the years. I trust nothing this man says, and would recommend others do the same.

Ken   April 2nd, 2008 7:34 pm ET

Another fear mongering Republican trying to divert votes with trashy issues. Focus on the real issues, Mr. Rove. We as everyday Americans are a lot smarter than you may think.

cathy   April 2nd, 2008 7:34 pm ET

So the Republicans must be more afraid of Obama than Clinton to send Karl Rove out after him.

Jeff in WI   April 2nd, 2008 7:33 pm ET

McCain doesn't need conservatives. He can win the election just from independents and the bratty Democrats who don't get their candidate.

Dave   April 2nd, 2008 7:33 pm ET

Karl Rove wears a flag pin and look at the stuff he has done. He should be in prison right now but instead he is on the lecture circuit. George W. Bush wears a flag pin and sends thousands of our young men to Iraq to be killed and maimed in a war that he started for purely personal reasons. If Obama chooses not to wear a pin but instead chooses to demonstrate his patriotism by his actions, more power to him.

Neutral   April 2nd, 2008 7:32 pm ET

Obama hates USA like his spiritual advisor and campaigner WRIGHT! If you support Obama, you must hate America so much. Airport is not too far from where you live, you're FREE to LEAVE this country!

prakash chand   April 2nd, 2008 7:32 pm ET

Rove draft another bluprint and wipe Obama out of thi race.

You are the only one who can bring Obama down.

GO ROVE .

James   April 2nd, 2008 7:31 pm ET

Karl keep running your mouth, very soon you shall be brought to justice for all the corruption you did during the bush era!!!!!!

Mark   April 2nd, 2008 7:31 pm ET

OMG!!!! This is the most childish, stupid, argument I have ever heard. Do you think American's are idiots? Who cares about a stupid pin, your Republicans are not that stupid Karl, you moron…what kind of insane person equates wearing or not wearing an 'American flag pin' with loving or not loving your country. This may be the weakest argument I have heard in my entire life!!

Steve   April 2nd, 2008 7:30 pm ET

Let's make this very clear - if the flag lapel pin thing is an issue to you, then you are a complete idiot.

Dan   April 2nd, 2008 7:30 pm ET

Anyone who buys his argument is an idiot. Geezus you be smarter than to base somebody's patriotism on whether or not their wear a lapel pin.

janet   April 2nd, 2008 7:29 pm ET

Whenever I want to think good of McCain and vote for him- I see this Karl Rove and other Conservative Republicans.

Then I feel this Obama is much better than these people..

Sorry karl Rove- I am Hillary Supporter- but you won't get my vote based on this pin issue. I am a Democrat before anything else. My loyalty lies with democrat party.

D Maykowski   April 2nd, 2008 7:28 pm ET

Our you for real! we have so many problems right now in this country, and it is sad to hear that Karol Row is so petty ,that he would hang on to some thing we all have done. How many of us in this country even keep our flags out year round anymore. And to catorgies us blue collar works as dumb petty people that don't have the common since to look beyond a pin is truly insulting. I'm really tried of hearing the media and the republican decribe us as un educated ignorant people. Like we all just sit aroud watching wheel of fortune, yelling at the tv. Some of us Blue collar workers are college educated. We just can't find a job because they have been moved over seas. Why don't you stick to the issue. I'm beyond tired of the insults.

A BLUE COLLAR WORKER

windu   April 2nd, 2008 7:28 pm ET

So the architect behind the worst presidency in history is going to tell us that jewelry should be a campaign issue. Oooookay. If he's right, America deserves another George W Bush.

Mich   April 2nd, 2008 7:28 pm ET

C'mon Sen Obama, take back your words, "what's in heart…"

America now knows what you and your spiritual guru have in their hearts. The whole world saw it just recently.

Jar   April 2nd, 2008 7:27 pm ET

What, is Barak now Kramer in an that episode of Seinfeld about the AIDS walk?

"Why aren't you wearing the pin?"

"Everyone must wear the pin!"

Puhleez…

Dawn   April 2nd, 2008 7:27 pm ET

The only people who would ever consider not wearing a pin are the same people who wouldn't vote for Obama anyway.

No issue

Andrew   April 2nd, 2008 7:27 pm ET

Patriotism is fighting to make that nation true to its ideals, not blind worship of its symbols. People who don't understand that wearing a flag pin is not as important as voicing your dissent when your country is drifting from it's core values of liberty and equality, are not true patriots. Obama is much more patriotic than Bush, Cheney and Rove.

D.Kimbro OHIO   April 2nd, 2008 7:26 pm ET

Another lunatic for Clinton. That figures. Why isn't this creature extinct. You have lied so much to the country, why should anyone believe anything from you. My instincts tell me that if Rover agrees with something run the other way.

Sam   April 2nd, 2008 7:26 pm ET

Why isn't Rove in jail?

Polkovnik   April 2nd, 2008 7:26 pm ET

I am a Vietnam veteran and retired career Army officer. I no longer wear the flag pin.
For a time after 9/11 I did wear it, but no more. IMHO it's been co-opted by war wimps, and, disgracefully, has come to symbolize the "love of country" of summer soldiers and sunshine patriots. I prefer to wear the lapel pin of my senior Army decoration, or the Army Star.
I am with Sen. Obama. Mr. Rove, who never served America in the military, can wear the flag pin all he wants. It's a free country.
Dave

lies   April 2nd, 2008 7:25 pm ET

Since no attack or criticism sticks to teflon Obama, Carl is probably trying to damage Clinton and knock her out of the race to pave the way for a McCain win.

Shawn Smith   April 2nd, 2008 7:25 pm ET

If we close our eyes and hold our breath, this story will be gone by morning. It is just taking up space.

Dv   April 2nd, 2008 7:25 pm ET

If McCain is relying on Rove- then sorry old man- you are losing…

If ppl hate Bush- they hate Rove more.

Rosa   April 2nd, 2008 7:25 pm ET

Don't you just love the republicans? 4,000 plus dead in Iraq and yet they find more useless wedge issues to try to fool the Americans who are not paying attention. Oh gosh, you mean Rove you are through with God, gays and guns. Hopefully people will see that they are being used and vote the ticket which will help the economy for the rest of us.
Why is this flawed man even news? +

Darth Vadik, CA   April 2nd, 2008 7:23 pm ET

Just like every other parasite on earth, they first get fat off of their host before finally killing the host and in eventually themeselves.

Lanny Davis   April 2nd, 2008 7:23 pm ET

Wearing flag pin is a nod to Bush's concept of patriotism … if you want to wear one fine, but for this lying sack to say good old boys are patriots for wearing them is well worth its weight in salt

OBAMA FOR SURE WILL WIN PA. 2008   April 2nd, 2008 7:22 pm ET

What an idiot. And where is your pin, egghead?

DM Arlington Texas   April 2nd, 2008 7:21 pm ET

Karl Rowe, has fail to realize that president Bush will not be able to protect him in the future. There is a jail cell with his name on it. He needs to put a flag pin on his mouth.

Bebble   April 2nd, 2008 7:21 pm ET

I KNOW ALL YOU WHO ARE PART OF THE FOLLOWING OF SAINT OBAMA WILL SAY THIS IS STUPID TO BRING UP.

WHAT WOULD YOU BLOG IF THIS WAS CLINTON WHO WORE NO FLAG PIN???

GROW UP ALL OF YOU OBAMAITES, YOUR LEADER SCREWED UP.

THIS JUST THE BEGINNING OF HOW MCCAIN WITH SHRED OBAMA.

Dan, Idaho Falls, Idaho   April 2nd, 2008 7:21 pm ET

Where's Rove's pin? Did it get hooked on his panties when he tried to pull his head out of his……

Ric   April 2nd, 2008 7:21 pm ET

Democrats for Mc Cain '08

Jay   April 2nd, 2008 7:21 pm ET

This is so idiotic. When are we as a country going to focus on core issues that really affect our lives? When are Republicans like Karl Rove going to stop playing games about who is more patriotic than the other? We are all Americans, yet this man and his minions still cannot discuss any subtantial issues. Rove is such a national disgrace I can't even believe he is showing his face, let alone dictating what could be used in an upcoming election against a decent and honest individual. Barack Obama is just as patriotic as anyone else. Some of the most famous chickenhawks who never served our country put a lapel on, along with men and women who have served with dignity. Some of the same people don't wear a pin…and they love their country. Its your decision to wear what you want–case closed. Too many Republicans and some Democrats care more about fluffy non-issues like this…which is why I hope there will be a larger third-party movement in the future because this country needs to stay focused on REAL issues…for once.

Franky   April 2nd, 2008 7:20 pm ET

You know, I got some advice for Rove….

Hey, listen Rove, you could do whatever the heck you want, is your decision. But listen to yourself, let alone some people don't wanna see the Reps around this election, so all I'm saying is when you talk, you better make sure it don't come and bite you back. Plus, it does seem like you have a problem against my boy and that's fine, I mean, who doesn't??? All I'm saying Rove is if you guys wanna have a chance to win, then maybe you should do something instead of saying something…

By the way, don't say that I didn't warn you……

Michael from Seattle   April 2nd, 2008 7:20 pm ET

Obama is right on this one. If you think you can sum your pariotism up with a stupid flag pin then you have no idea what real patriotism is. This has got to be one of the silliest things I've ever heard.

If their grand scheme was to Swift-boat Obama on a pin then they are more desperate than I thought.

Do they think Americans are really this stupid?

Darth Vadik, CA   April 2nd, 2008 7:20 pm ET

If Carl Rove and Ann Coulter had a baby!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

that kid would be even more evil than the Prince of Darkness himself Dick Cheney.

Liz, Pittsburgh PA   April 2nd, 2008 7:20 pm ET

Who Cares !!!

I am not going to vote for Obama in '08 bc I dont like him but it has nothing to do with a stupid flag pin. I would vote for McCain over Obama bc he has more experience not bc of a stupid flag pin.

Women for Clinton '08 !!!

PA's got your back Hill !!!

philip   April 2nd, 2008 7:20 pm ET

What do you expect from a pig but a grunt. Rove is the biggest sow of them all!

Craig in Texas Democrat and supporter for Obama   April 2nd, 2008 7:19 pm ET

Oh yea and dont forget that to avoid be drafted to be a patriot for the US during the vietnam war he got a deferment and went to school and thats because he found out his draft number was highly likely to be drafted. Coward…….. patriots are our men and women dying and spilling blood to keep our flag red. Rove is a coward and should never question someone patriotism a pin wont do it for me. Thats like someone eating a can of spinach and saying they Popeye.

small potatoes   April 2nd, 2008 7:19 pm ET

The race card will be played in response to every honest criticism made.

If Obama is president, the entire USA will be labeled racist. Only the loudest thugs will have freedom of speech.

All the little people, and the frightened media will keep their silence.

The Majority has got to unite against this man

John van Hooff   April 2nd, 2008 7:19 pm ET

If Obama can be accused of distorting what Mc Cain has said regarding his"100 years" than one can certainly say that Obama's stance regarding the flagpin is being distorted. Pretty simple and clear what the guy means. Personally, I see it as more patriotic to speak out against a war that should never have been waged, while not wearing a flagpin…than it is to be a politician who struts with a flagpin, while at the same time sending ill equipped 18 year old American soldiers to fight a war that is "un American" . That is if patriotism can be defined as a love of one's country.

American at heart.

Niky Ring   April 2nd, 2008 7:19 pm ET

A pin is not a substantive issue. Karl Rove is flailing wildly.

cnn rocks   April 2nd, 2008 7:19 pm ET

karl rove get a life!

Rob   April 2nd, 2008 7:18 pm ET

I honestly don't understand some people's obsession with the flag pin. Do you see Russians, or Canadians, or Brittons, or Germans, or anybody else on planet earth wearing their flag on their lapel? I am glad someone is willing to put an end to the lapel pin. Neither Obama nor Clinton wear one.

Ralph V., AZ   April 2nd, 2008 7:18 pm ET

How can anybody believe this guy, now he's an expert on psychological human behavior. Is Carl Rove trying to be Carl Young? Owe, but that's an insult to Carl Young.

This is a joke! What you wear, doesn't define what you believe in.

Instead of making issues about nothing, he should be worried about his indictment on charges of perjury for lying to investigators related to his role in the CIA leak case.

Go Obama!

Joe   April 2nd, 2008 7:17 pm ET

The size of Karl Roves head is enormous almost big as Hillarys.

I hope they don't where hats !

Zoraida from Michigan   April 2nd, 2008 7:17 pm ET

Its ok, Rove, you wear a flag pin and you are disgrace for our politics. The pin to me, is just that; a pin, His actions have been speaking louder than that and anyone who would just jugde someone by a pin needs to go back to school; Hey, Bush and the VP wear one all the time and to this point they have killed way too many americans in this war… the pin means nothing.

Darth Vadik, CA   April 2nd, 2008 7:17 pm ET

I hate thos made in china flag pins too, only fake and insecure people wear them.

John   April 2nd, 2008 7:16 pm ET

Rove no longer has credibility in this country. Clearly he is one of the most disliked political figures of the day. Why does CNN continue to lend his opinions credibility?

True Patriotism   April 2nd, 2008 7:15 pm ET

I believe that wear a flag lapel pin does not in any way shape or form suggest that a person is truly patriotic about their country. Now as Mr. Obama has stated showing your patriotism consists of speaking out against the bad and supporting those who serve. That is true patriotism.

Susan MO   April 2nd, 2008 7:15 pm ET

I agree with Rove. We were first for Obama, but not now. Obama is critical, and often offensive. Not good for a president.

Kelly   April 2nd, 2008 7:15 pm ET

I wonder what he's trying to do? Its pretty obvious he doesn't want McCain running against Obama.

Ready for a new day   April 2nd, 2008 7:14 pm ET

I'm pretty sick of "Karl Rove" politics. Give it up. That dog don't hunt.

Chuck in Oregon   April 2nd, 2008 7:14 pm ET

Very interesting I must admit. However, I would like to point out that I do NOT see a lapel pin on Rove, Clinton, McCain, Gore, Dobbson, and the list goes on. So what is your point Rove. Are you using this as a way to again on the Behalf of the Clintons to question Obama's Patriotism? I would think that MR Rove would get his stuff in order before questioning the Patriotism of anyone.

Michael   April 2nd, 2008 7:14 pm ET

Why isnt Karl Rove in jail?

Sharon Tonkin   April 2nd, 2008 7:14 pm ET

I feel Obama is only loyal to himself. I have a son in the military and whether I did or not it's not just Iraq it's all the other wars that our men and women have fault for freedon and what their famlies have had to sacrefice for our freedon. Ofcourse it's more than wearing a pin but when we see that pin being worn it's a reminder of how pround we are as a nation standing together and if he thinks he is too good for that well then I have no use for him and no respect for him.

vince - phoenix   April 2nd, 2008 7:13 pm ET

BECAUSE ROVE WILL MAKE SURE OF IT!!!

YEAH. THE FLAG PIN…

THAT'S MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE WAR, THE RECESSION, IMMIGRATION, AND DOMESTIC ISSUES…

THE FLAG - PIN…

OBAMA FOR SURE WILL WIN PA. 2008   April 2nd, 2008 7:13 pm ET

AND FOX NEWS HIRED HIM. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHY?
FOX NEWS ACTUALLY PAYS THIS MAN A SALARY???

sacto joe   April 2nd, 2008 7:13 pm ET

Yeah, and I remember all the flags on cars by all the airheads supporting Bush's Iraq blunder. I had a flag on my car too - until those idiots commandeered the flag as a "symbol" of support for Bush's war policies! Then the flag came down….

This administration and Rove are always wrapping themselves in the flag.

Pretty darned disgusting - patriotism abused for political ends. If you're a vet, write Rove a letter and tell him you're tired of the flag being manipulated by him.

If you have to manipulate someone or something, go manipulate yourself, Rove!

Mk   April 2nd, 2008 7:12 pm ET

Karl Rove's obsession with commercialzed symbols of patriotisim can only mean one thing. He and Bush must own stock in the flag pin company

drew   April 2nd, 2008 7:12 pm ET

i could be wrong but in the photo "old turkey neck" seems to missing his lapel pin.
so he should shut his pie-hole.
and since when does get off calling people "elitist and arrogant"

Why?   April 2nd, 2008 7:12 pm ET

Why are we listening to Rove, the architect of Bush's administration and policies? He has demonstrated his lack of ethics, his lack of decency, and his lack of understanding of the political landscape as it stands today. Even Bush, who also has demonstrated and incredible naivete, pushed Rove out. If Bush can't stand him, why should anyone else listen to him? Oh. Wait. I get it. It's comic relief!

April in Texas   April 2nd, 2008 7:11 pm ET

Is it in the politicians handbook that a flag pin is required? I doubt it seriously so get off your high horse Carl Rove and crawl back to the hole in which you came.

Obama 08

Sue   April 2nd, 2008 7:11 pm ET

Rove sounds like he is really afraid of Obama and he's definitely reaching. I truly hope people are smarter that Rove thinks they are. I'm a republican, I'll be voting for Obama and I totally understand what he's saying about a flag lapel pin. It's like wearing a cross–if you don't believe in what it represents, it's just a hunk of metal. But if you do understand and believe in the concepts and meaning behind the symbols-you don't need the symbol; the underlying belief is the important thing.

Mike   April 2nd, 2008 7:11 pm ET

"especially one's that serve" Unlike you, right?

Sharon, Seattle   April 2nd, 2008 7:11 pm ET

Oh for gawds sake. Since when is a lapel pin mandatory and a sign of whether you are an elitist or a patriotic or not? People that have to wear something to prove who they are, usually aren't.

Go to hell Rove. If anyone is an elitist, it's you and the Republicans who don't give a rats arse about the working people of this country.

Gary Little   April 2nd, 2008 7:11 pm ET

Am I missing something in the picture of Karl Rove that is attached to this story? Where is Karl's pin? How can the Pot call the Kettle…

Rove, let's talk about real issues for a change.

gil   April 2nd, 2008 7:11 pm ET

Rove, I really doubt that it will be an issue. You having your head firmly planted up your butt doesn't seem to be one, so why should the flag flap. (Although, you may want to take care that you don't leave it there too long, it will cut off the blood supply to your brain, and you may get smarter)

08-Dem   April 2nd, 2008 7:10 pm ET

As the saying goes…Consider the source. Karl Rove? Give me a break.

Mr. Coffey, Raleigh, NC   April 2nd, 2008 7:10 pm ET

I can buy my patriotism with a 25 cent pin from China? That will give me free reign to kick the little guy. Sign me up.

I think I'd rather earn my patriotism by looking out for my fellow American and stand up for truth, justice and liberty for all.

brandon   April 2nd, 2008 7:09 pm ET

Why are you giving this SOB iar time. He was the one who directed the demise of the USA under that gutless Pres. and destroyed too meny good honest poeple.
He has his nerve to take about enyone other than himself.
Why hasn't he been commited

D Grant   April 2nd, 2008 7:09 pm ET

I’m pretty sure that Rove is on Hillary’s payroll.

CG Houston, TX   April 2nd, 2008 7:09 pm ET

If a flag lapel pin is a measure of patriotism, then the 10's of millions of Americans who go through life each and every day without ever wearing a flag pin are out for the count.

Maybe the 10's of millions of non-flag wears should throw our support behind only those candidates who, like ourselves, do not wear flag lapel pins.

The Tax Man Commeth...   April 2nd, 2008 7:09 pm ET

Shut up Rove…you're about to go to jail!

kathy in ohio   April 2nd, 2008 7:09 pm ET

Oh yes it will be an issue, and so will everything else he has done that the media has blown off. Well i will be voting McCain like many other dem. Oh Cnn you have not even mentioned once today that Hillary is beating McCain in all the poles for the General Election and OBAMA is not.
But you have mentioned at least 15x that he is up 2pts in PA polls. Well when we have a rep. in the white house again, it is the media that elected them because they wouldnt go after their golden boy so everyone could see he has major flaws. YOU NEED TO TAKE SOME LESSONS FROM LOU DOBBS. The rep. are licking their chops.

Tony From Michigan   April 2nd, 2008 7:08 pm ET

Last time I looked no one cared what Rove had to say.
Karl Rove is not the person who should be talking about if a person is patriotic or not after all the things he has done to other people in the name of patriotism. Can everyone say CRIMINAL

Gnomepark   April 2nd, 2008 7:08 pm ET

Petty…..irrelevent…Hey Rove! Crawl under a rock and stay.

Stop Rove   April 2nd, 2008 7:08 pm ET

Hey Rove, you were not able even to keep you little post in the Bush admin. Who the heck asked you for advise? Go and enjoy you retirement with you bloody hands.

WhiteWoman for Obama   April 2nd, 2008 7:07 pm ET

Are your words hold credibility? I think not, give it up Rove (fat honkie)

zina   April 2nd, 2008 7:07 pm ET

Wow…if they're going to focus on his patriotism. We have this in the bag. I know the American public are way too smart to fall for this B.S.

Thanks, Karl!

Obama '08

Eric from Boston   April 2nd, 2008 7:07 pm ET

How is it unpatriotic to believe that it is more important to fight for what you believe in than merely say it?

If this "issue" affects any voters' perspectives, it's not a failing of Senator Obama, it's a failing of the voters.

Karl Rove's name has lost a lot of weight since his publicity works last made a difference.

Angel   April 2nd, 2008 7:07 pm ET

Dems should listen to what Rove has to say!

He has constructed the two best railroading presidential campaigns to seat one of the worst presidents in modern history. This man knows how to WIN…he's succeeded TWICE and we should listen to his formula so we don't give this one away, too.

Bill   April 2nd, 2008 7:07 pm ET

More desperation from Karl Rove - a man to whose goal in life is to divide America. Does anyone take this man seriously anymore?

Jason, San Diego   April 2nd, 2008 7:06 pm ET

The man worked for the state of Illinois, and now represents them in the Senate. He busting his back-side to be the next president of the USA. Isn't that patriotism? This obsession with empty symbols is such a clear marker of the Bush Administration's "with us or against us" policy. When will Bush, Rove, and the rest of those fat-cats realize that they work for me and you, and they should have absolutely zero expectations of us, or anyone else they are supposed to serve. I don't care if Bush wants to wear a flag pin, a Love It or Leave It t-shirt, or a red-white-and-blue leather body suit: Bush has done a crummy job, and that's what matters.

Obama will do the best job, lapel pin or not.

Go Obama 08!

Philip   April 2nd, 2008 7:06 pm ET

Rove is trying to start a forest fire in the middle of the ocean. Serving as Obama has as a United States senator is more than sufficient patriotism.
It is possible to wear a flag pin while refusing to vote, or pay taxes. Both are prime examples of what average citizens do for their country. Your clothes can be red white and blue, but they are an empty statement without actual participation.

Lana   April 2nd, 2008 7:06 pm ET

So Obama won't wear a flag button, but he offers to kiss a girl to get her to wear his button. Shows which button he thinks is more important. Shows very poor judgment, too.

JB   April 2nd, 2008 7:05 pm ET

Obama's supposedly infamous flag pin comments were that he doesn't think patriotism should be bound up in whether you wear a pin or not. Which is true. It's utter nonsense, and if this is the best the republicans can do, they will be toast in the fall

Grif   April 2nd, 2008 7:05 pm ET

Obama! The All "None American" Judge for yourself..

You don't get a second chance, Think Big!!
Before you Vote for this Man???

Just another "Third World Country" could be you're Destiny.

Scare Tactics??? You Bet…….

Larry   April 2nd, 2008 7:05 pm ET

Karl Rove is one of the most unpatriotic and cynical persons ever to serve? this country. His kind of detestible rubbish doesn't deserve the attention of CNN. Please let him wallow unnoticed in his brutish darkness.

Tyler - OK   April 2nd, 2008 7:04 pm ET

Why is anyone listening to or even observing what Karl Rove is saying? The man is nothing short of a criminal. When did this whole American flag lapel thing become such a big issue. I would never consider wearing one, simply because in my eyes it trivializes the flag. Something, which so much blood has been shed over should receive more reverence than to be simply touted about on a lapel.

Elitism, I would argue not; I'm sure many people just don't want to jump on the lapel pin band wagon. Just another attack on Obama, a virtually unblemished candidate.

ohhh he is so afraid of Obama   April 2nd, 2008 7:04 pm ET

just like Rush, Ann Coulter and also like Hillary, so they will say anything…
face it…………. you all listd above, you all fear Senator Obama will be our next president…
since you all three can not agree to disagree but you like to impose on people i can see you all making issue of the tie the senator wears………

very sad the state of politics in our country.

at least Senator McCain can have a civil debate with Senator Obama
this is why the three of you: clinton, Rush, Coulter and Rove are so ugly not just physically but as human beings.

You don't say   April 2nd, 2008 7:04 pm ET

It came out of Carl Rove's mouth and we are supposed to care. Keep working at FOX News trying to convince people your really not a criminal. We all know you were a major player in severly damaging our country (Bush's brain). If that's patriotism, give me whatever is the opposite of you. Oh, wait, that would be Obama. He is so hated by anyone WITH a brain, his words can only end up garnering support for the Dems.

marcus   April 2nd, 2008 7:04 pm ET

Silence…… (head bows in shame)….. (tear)……Please God don't let them actually make a issue out of that.
It seriously would mean the end of the world

George, Los Angeles   April 2nd, 2008 7:03 pm ET

For the first time ever - I agree with Karl Rove.

Kmp;   April 2nd, 2008 7:03 pm ET

Hey Rove go check out your buddy McCain he isn't wearing a pin either.

You can show your patriotism without having to adorn yourself with a mere flag pin. And personally I find it insulting as a wife of a military man that is showing he doesn't support us, well personally if Bush hadn't enter into this war we wouldn't be having this arguement now would we.

Carrie PA   April 2nd, 2008 7:03 pm ET

John McCain doesn't even wear a flag pin. Who cares!

CaliforniaGold   April 2nd, 2008 7:03 pm ET

Hmm, I wonder why Karl Rove seems to be complimenting Hillary Clinton, and denigrating Barack Obama. Who wants the devil on their side?

TiminLA   April 2nd, 2008 7:02 pm ET

That's funny, Rove calling Obama arrogant. Doesn't thinking you're above the law qualify as arrogance?

Andrew in Long Beach, CA   April 2nd, 2008 7:02 pm ET

Rove is a ciminal and shouldn't be allowed to express his criticism through the media at all. His idea of patriotism is whatever helps line his own pockets.

Gary of El Centro, Ca   April 2nd, 2008 7:02 pm ET

I think trying to make an issue out of whether or not someone wears a lapel pin is just silly. If someone chooses to wear one, that's fine, more power to them. If someone chooses not to wear one, that's fine too, it doesn't make them any less patriotic. Just like all those little flags flying from people's car antennas after 9/11, many that flew them then are not flying them now…..does that mean they lost their patriotic standing? Are they less of an American now? Patriotic is as patriotic does……many people have draped themselves in the flag and then gone on to do very unpatriotic things. Get a life Rove.

history repeats   April 2nd, 2008 7:02 pm ET

thats absolutely ridiculous i think all that is, is karl rove trying to make an issue of it. trying to say something to make the people who are easily influenced in this country say "well heck yea hes right!!!" if you think wearing a flag lapel is patriotism then plain and simple you are shallow. this is just a dumb comment from someone, that i cant understand why, is not behind bars!

MB   April 2nd, 2008 7:02 pm ET

Obama's response is very true. Rove is irrelevant.

dzyjne   April 2nd, 2008 7:01 pm ET

Give me a break! Get a life! Go bother Ann Coulter!

kim portland, oregon   April 2nd, 2008 7:00 pm ET

oh shut up you bloated maniac troublemaker! you are a SMART man, and all the people in this country who form their own thoughts know EXACTLY what he was saying.

there was sooo much FALSE patriotism with the yellow ribbon magnets and lapel pins. it made lazy, small-minded people feel better about themselves.

if you criminals TRULY respect our troops, you wouldnt have lied to send them into an unwinnable war that you DIDNT EVEN HAVE AN EXIT STRATEGY FOR!!!!!! YOU creeps are the unpatriotic, unamerican people in this country. using OUR men and women to line YOUR pockets. you are filthy, vile "people" and i CANNOT WAIT to see how karma returns the favor. at a minimum, i would LOVE to see all of you in front of The Hague being tried for the war criminals you are!!!

Sham   April 2nd, 2008 6:59 pm ET

I haven't seen Mccain wear one yet, and in fact, why isn't Rove wearing one in the picture???? Can you say hypocrite????

David, SC   April 2nd, 2008 6:59 pm ET

Any democrat who listens to Karl Rove is doing himself a great disservice. Rove has been a diehard Republican and remains so no matter what. There are books written about the dirty, underhanded, sneaky, lying, and outright false tactics that this man has used in the name of politics. This is no different. Who hired this guy, and why is he even speaking? By-the-way, where is Roves flag lapel pin in this picture? Talk about the pot calling the kettle BLACK!

Cam   April 2nd, 2008 6:58 pm ET

Why does he still talk…. EVERYONE knows that this guy can not be trusted… he's a typical washington that doesn't care for the American people…. get a life and do something that is more constructive rove!

OBAMA FOR SURE WILL WIN PA. 2008   April 2nd, 2008 6:58 pm ET

Rove trashed Obama at a college this weekend-hardly mentioning
Clinton. What are his motives?
Rove is an employee of FOX NEWS-who idolizes Rove's every word.
WHY DID FOX HIRE HIM????
Rove was on Greta on FOX last evening making mistatements about Obama.
One was that Obama is not a professor. To clear that up, the College
said that Obama is a "SENIOR LECTURER" there, which is equivalant to a professor. That is the truth.
Rove is and will do and say anything to make McCain look good. But
he is very tricky about it. Watch for the "dirt" from this man. He is
relentless.

OBAMA 2008

Democratic no matter who wins   April 2nd, 2008 6:58 pm ET

Hey Carl do us all a favor and shut that pie hole! Has someone paid you to try and wreck the democrats? I wouldn't be surprised.

jhs   April 2nd, 2008 6:57 pm ET

I find it more appalling that he doesn't place his hand over his heart during the pledge or anthem. I was taught to do both in grade school!

His wife doesn't seem to like America much either.

glhf   April 2nd, 2008 6:57 pm ET

Isn't this the same man who said the republicans would hold in 2006…?

Mr. Bomb Iran Bomb Bomb Bomb…isn't winning any democratic votes except for the die-hard racists. Sorry to break it to you Rove.

Sherri   April 2nd, 2008 6:57 pm ET

Let's focus on things that matter, like Clinton's tax returns!

Yosemite Sam   April 2nd, 2008 6:56 pm ET

More hogwash from the lamest of partisan chicken hawks. This guy gets a lot of press for not saying anything.

vanchava   April 2nd, 2008 6:55 pm ET

THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WON'T CARE

YOU HAVE AN UNPOPULAR WAR

OUR ECONOMY IS IN RECESSION

THE REPUBLICAN PARTY HAS NO PLAN FOR HEALTH CARE

THAT IS WHAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WANT TO TALK ABOUT

NOT FLAG PINS

DEMS/OBAMA/EDWARDS 08

Jay   April 2nd, 2008 6:55 pm ET

Barack has it right. Rove is just pandering.

Its True   April 2nd, 2008 6:55 pm ET

Rove, is this all you got? a stupid lapel pin. The only pin I see is on your shoulders you "Pin Head". If you had it your way, a burning cross would signify patriotism. Karl is an idiot, if this is all you have on Obama then Republicans are done.

HH   April 2nd, 2008 6:55 pm ET

Give me a break Karl Rove.
Wearing a FLAG PIN. I didnt know you had to stoop to the Republican level and put fear in people. And to wear your patriotism on your lapel.

WHAT A JOKE, the Republican party is. Another way to use 9/11 to share up votes.

Jeff in WI   April 2nd, 2008 6:54 pm ET

Two things

[1] Karl carries no weight among independents, so his comments here will not cost Obama many, if any, votes.

[2] His praise of CLinton demonstrates Karl is on board with Operation Chaos.

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