(CNN) - Two prominent supporters of Hillary Clinton suggested Thursday the New York senator needs to best rival Barack Obama in the total popular vote to have any chance at winning her party's presidential nomination.
In separate media interviews, New Jersey Gov. Jon Corzine and Pennsylvania Rep. Jack Murtha both indicated they believed Clinton will be unable to convince enough superdelegates to support her if she finishes second to Obama in both the pledged delegate count and the popular vote.
Speaking on CNBC, Corzine suggested it won't be enough for Clinton to argue she deserves the nomination because she has won more crucial swing states than Obama - a talking point the senator's campaign has long argued.
"I think it would be a very hard argument to make," Corzine said of that position. "I'm a very aggressive supporter of Senator Clinton, but I think you need at least a popular vote."
Corzine also suggested he himself may cast his superdelegate vote for Obama should Clinton fail to win the popular vote, though the New Jersey governor insisted he thought Clinton would come out on top in that count if the Florida and Michigan contests were counted.
Murtha echoed Corzine's sentiments in an interview later Thursday, saying, "Clinton has to win Pennsylvania…She has to be ahead in the popular vote to have any chance at all of getting this nomination."
Clinton is heavily favored to win in the April 22 Pennsylvania primary, though recent polls suggest Obama may be narrowing the gap there.
Most estimates currently have Obama leading Clinton by approximately 700,000 votes in the popular vote. If the results of Michigan and Florida — the two states that were penalized for moving up its primary — are factored in, the gap is approximately half that.
Re-vote efforts in both states failed last month and it appears highly unlikely the results of either of the earlier contests will stand, meaning Clinton will need to achieve decisive wins in several of the 10 remaining primary contest to have a chance at overtaking Obama in the popular vote count.
– CNN Ticker Producer Alexander Mooney
Obama supporters need to get real. He will NOT beat McCain. If you think anything Hillary has done has been negative, then Obama is in no way ready for the Big Bad Republican Attack Machine, he's too much of a wimp. And to be honest with you, I don't trust someone who isn't a bit negative...negatives are just as important as positives. What are you hiding Mr. Obama that the Republicans will surely find?! I swore I'd vote for McCain if Obama won the nomination but have since recanted because, and ONLY because, I don't want someone like McCain nominating 2 or more Supreme Court Justices. Hope, dream, "can" all you want, if Obama runs against McCain then all you Obama backers have only yourselves to blame.
Bill don't take this so hard.....but you got to chill out and get out before you and Hill get booted out .
Hillary will continue to fight for the nomination to the bitter end. There is no doubt. It disgusts me that Floridian voters were told their vote won't count yet Clinton's name was the only one on the ballot.
The laughable part of that is that she still could not capture 60% of democrats votes even when there was no-one else to vote for!!
What would be more disgusting is if the people of America vote for Obama and Hillary gets nominated do to the superdelegate vote. Can you imagine what would happen? I could see the LA riots all over again...Nationwide....
Hillary is a gutsy fighter! This is a first contest when people discount experience because they are charmed by S. Obama's talk of change! I want to see him change his church first!
Let FL and MI count. Or tell them to skip the GE at all once.
Obama is winning because a bunch of white people without pride are voting for him. Wait till more of his racist past comes out and see how you are going to feel.
I can see it now... Obama calling Pastor Wright for advise... afterall he is his mentor and that was his exact word "mentor".
Also, how happy the black panters are Louis Farrakan are going to feel just as happy as they did on 911. Maybe a lot of American have forgotten how sad that day was, but I haven't.
No for Obama!!!
Out of all the tricks and sneakiness of the Clintons, i admire her persistance even if it is for a selfish reason. I watch CNN everyday and I used to think.. what great momentum our two democratic nominees have, but HILLARY!!!!! started playing dirty and that is why she is in the mess she is in now. No one believes in Hilalry any more and that her downfall. At least it was with me!
Hillary all the way. YEA!!!
Summer's over... Time to go home campers...
Viva Presidente Obama! Viva America! Si se puede!
Obama has won the red states only so far. He lost all big blue states. Of course, Dem can just give this election to the Rep. again.
Winning the popular vote would not be enough for Clinton since, using racial dog whistle, she is appealing to republicans who, at the end of the day, will vote for McCain. Obama is attracting people from all venues of life and ideologies because he is a new kind of politician, not because he is frigthening the public with 3 am events. This election is not only about winning, but about changing manners and dialoguing with regular citizens, most of them in need of new approaches to public life.
D.W.; Miami, FL
YOU SAID IT BEST!!!
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[b]2) Rules are useless and Obama should be penalized for following them.[/b]
And why doesn't the media every ask her
[b]"Then Hillary, why did you sign the DNC's agreement if you felt it would disenfranchise voters?[/b]
To Kenneth Woodard's three reasons:
You're a moron; You're a moron and you're a moron.
even pop. vote is misleading, how do you count the pop vote in a caucus vs. a primary? The caucus, by nature, will have less "votes" then a primary. The clinton logic is that not giving each state their due is a disenfranchisement so counting states that had primaries more than caucuses is a similar disenfranchisement.
Kenneth Woodard asked:
"Can you state three reasons why you support Hillary Clinton. The reasons can not contain the following three words: Experience, Solutions or Female."
1. Bill Clinton will be the real president.
2. Bill Clinton will be the real president.
3. Bill Clinton will be the real president.
The question isn't whether she will win the popular vote: if all votes are counted, then she likely will do so. The question is, Will she be Perceived as having won the popular vote? If the delegates of Fl and Mi are seated disproportionate to the vote, then she will look as though she has not. This is why DNC's monkeying around with the delegates should not be allowed. This is why the DNC is suddenly desirous of "seating" the delegates. They will seat them, but not fairly apportion them.
"Hillary is in this to the end." That's what we hear over and over and over. What endgame does she accept? If she doesn't end up getting the nomination, do her supporters accept this? Realize, Hillary's not following the rules in MI and FL does not make her a "Campion of Democracy." HRC's making such a claim is tanamount to supression and disenfranchisement. Catch a clue folks.
She says every vote should be counted every voice heard. Then her campaign suggests going to the superdels if she is BEHIND in the popular vote? How can you possibly trust this woman?
what is it with hillary we are working on the papers for my white house days then their was little imformation tells obama to produce us tax returns but you have to wait for mine and you have to two weeks for my march donation then she gets a3am phone call telling her we are under attack well call me back in 2 weeks
Hahaha that's hilarious. I can guarantee you this, more than 65% of Obama supporters had either drop out of school or can't even spell "Judiciary." Thank you.
Obama supporters need to snap out of his dream world fantasy. United States will NEVER change under his administration. After we get a few laughs of his inexperience, we'll see the Vice-President step up, whoever that poor sap would be. I can't want to see United States fall in the hands of a "pop star" icon.
It's like would you prefer Chocolate that would in the end cause you teeth decay orrrr you could have vegetables that would help you in many ways.
I TOTALLY BELIEVE THAT SHE CAN DO IT!!!!!!!!
THE ONLY REASON THAT OBAMA IS STILL IN THIS RACE IS BECAUSE HE IS TREATED LIKE THE GOLDEN BOY IN THE PRESS!!!!!!
EVERY RACIAL COMMENT HE OR HIS WIFE MAKE IS COVERED UP WITH GOOD PRESS!!!!!!
EVERY LIE (NAFTA) MORE GOOD PRESS!!!!!!!
REVEREND WRIGHT AND TOM REZKO LAND DEALS?
COVERED WITH GOOD PRESS!!!!!!!
THE WORST IS THE SUPPRESSION OF OUR VOTES IN FL AND MI!!
HILLARY ISN'T DOING THESE THINGS!
I TRUST HER! GO HILLARY WE SUPPORT YOU!!!!!!
What ever Chuck. The Caucus in Texas are votes by the people. The media called the election too soon. To use your rationale I can say if we only count the States that Obama won he wins by a landslide. You can't change the rules and discredit the caucus because HRC is bad at them. ...But I guess that is Clinton logic.
I am still a big Clinton supporter and I absolutely agree with this statement. This is another scenario where you can't just discount MI & FL however. Those people did in fact vote and the votes for Clinton should count for just that - a vote for Clinton. I do believe that with MI & FL in the mix, she will come out on top of the popular vote. That is if the media actually did their job, which they are not.
I watch these news channels a LOT, and all I hear all day long are people talking about the way She needs to get out, how She is tearing the party apart, how She is hurting the democratic party. I think these things are patently false and are fueling anti-Clinton sentiment among the average voter that has yet to vote. I truly do not think it is fair. In addition, the dragging of the DNC's and everyone else's feet in respect to MI & FL has hurt her campaign tremendously. If those votes, even just added into the popular total, would be reported on as actual votes (which they were), then these conversations would be happening much less if at all.
Additionally, I just don't get why everyone is calling on her now and tearing her to pieces now. If it was so impossible then they wouldn't bother. It is also ridiculous in terms of the time-frame of this primary season, given the fact that she just won OH, TX, RI and is favored to win in PA. Why all the superdelegate additions and calling on her to quit now? What are people scared of? What is Obama and his campaign scared of?
In the media and Obama supporters eyes, Clinton can do nothing right. It is a disgusting double-standard that they are applying to this campaign.
hillary can win the popular vote, there is still time for her to do it. She can then argue that she carries the must win big states, and with the popular vote she will get the nomination. Hillary 08!
This isn't rocket science....Count the pledged delegates, popular vote, more states won and ladies and gentlemen the winner is.........................................................................................Senator Barack Obama!!!! Yahoo!!!!!
How many more Billary supporters will come out now to say she is so over!!! Haven't heard any new super delegates joining her camp...Jump on the Obama train...it's pulling out April 23rd and heading straight for Denver!!!! Choo Choo!!!!