April 3rd, 2008
04:32 PM ET
3 years ago

Clinton backers: She must win popular vote

 Corzine and Murtha are supporters of Clinton.
Corzine and Murtha are supporters of Clinton.

(CNN) - Two prominent supporters of Hillary Clinton suggested Thursday the New York senator needs to best rival Barack Obama in the total popular vote to have any chance at winning her party's presidential nomination.

In separate media interviews, New Jersey Gov. Jon Corzine and Pennsylvania Rep. Jack Murtha both indicated they believed Clinton will be unable to convince enough superdelegates to support her if she finishes second to Obama in both the pledged delegate count and the popular vote.

Speaking on CNBC, Corzine suggested it won't be enough for Clinton to argue she deserves the nomination because she has won more crucial swing states than Obama - a talking point the senator's campaign has long argued.

"I think it would be a very hard argument to make," Corzine said of that position. "I'm a very aggressive supporter of Senator Clinton, but I think you need at least a popular vote."

Corzine also suggested he himself may cast his superdelegate vote for Obama should Clinton fail to win the popular vote, though the New Jersey governor insisted he thought Clinton would come out on top in that count if the Florida and Michigan contests were counted.

Murtha echoed Corzine's sentiments in an interview later Thursday, saying, "Clinton has to win Pennsylvania…She has to be ahead in the popular vote to have any chance at all of getting this nomination."

Clinton is heavily favored to win in the April 22 Pennsylvania primary, though recent polls suggest Obama may be narrowing the gap there.

Most estimates currently have Obama leading Clinton by approximately 700,000 votes in the popular vote. If the results of Michigan and Florida — the two states that were penalized for moving up its primary — are factored in, the gap is approximately half that.

Re-vote efforts in both states failed last month and it appears highly unlikely the results of either of the earlier contests will stand, meaning Clinton will need to achieve decisive wins in several of the 10 remaining primary contest to have a chance at overtaking Obama in the popular vote count.

– CNN Ticker Producer Alexander Mooney

soundoff (390 Responses)
  1. No Hillary

    Seems like these guys finally had time to set down and do the math.

    April 3, 2008 04:55 pm at 4:55 pm |
  2. Ben

    hillary clinton supported NAFTA when bill was president and so she is jointly responsible that thousands of good american people lost their jobs like in pennsylvania or ohio!

    April 3, 2008 04:55 pm at 4:55 pm |
  3. Brian

    Sounds like they're coming to terms with what we all already know... Hillary's goose is cooked.

    Democrats... let's get ready to mobilize behind the best candidate left in the field, and the next president of the United States of America...

    BARACK OBAMA '08!!!

    April 3, 2008 04:55 pm at 4:55 pm |
  4. Marc

    She will never win the popular vote and they will change there pledge to Obama.

    April 3, 2008 04:56 pm at 4:56 pm |
  5. Dan (TX)

    Go Hillary!! Stamp your feet and cry like a little girl!
    Go Hillary!!

    April 3, 2008 04:56 pm at 4:56 pm |
  6. CHERYL

    OBAMA IS A LIAR PLAIN AND SIMPLE!!!!!!

    HE DOES NOT WEAR OR SUPPORT OUR GREAT FLAG!!!!!!!

    HE DOESN'T LIKE WHITE PEOPLE!!!!!!!

    AND HE IS BLOCKING OUR VOTES!!!!!!!!!

    UNPATRIOTIC!!!!!!!!

    HE DOESN'T DESERVE OUR VOTES!!!!!!!!

    MINE GO TO HILLARY!!!!!!!!

    April 3, 2008 04:56 pm at 4:56 pm |
  7. thomasr@yahoo.com

    Beautiful Chuck. First you argue for the superdelegates voting for whomever they please, but they you turn around and say the caucus in Texas resulted in the delegates stealing the election. This is the problem with the clinton supporters; they are talking out of both sides of their mouth. It is amazing to me that they will repeat the hypocracy and lies that the campaign throws out and then also turn around and acuse everyone else of being blind sheep.

    April 3, 2008 04:56 pm at 4:56 pm |
  8. Kim 4 Hillary 08

    For Kenneth Woodward...here's my 3 now let's see if you can name 3 for Obama and it can't contain – RACE, CHANGE, or PATRIOTISM (Oh yea, you couldn't use that oneanyway could you)

    HILLARY
    1. She has a plan for all her policy ideas...does Obama? I've never heard it
    2. She will actually withdraw the troops unlike Obama who's own foreign policy advisor told reporters that he doesn't really have a plan...he'll have to wait and see what the folks on the ground tell him after he's elected
    3. Hillary doesn't tell the American people one thing and then have secret "wink, wink" meetings with foreign coutries, ie. Canada(NAFTA)
    4. HILLAY has always been PROUD OF HER COUNTRY!!!

    I know you only asked for 3 but I just had to throw that one in there...

    April 3, 2008 04:56 pm at 4:56 pm |
  9. Christina

    LISTEN UP PEOPLE.....

    Unless she can BLOW him out in SIZEABLE VICTORIES, it WON'T MATTER. I don't care if she manages to run up some popular vote total. I am FRUSTRATED WITH THIS BULL. That campaign and her supporters keep moving the goal post every single week almost. HERE IS SOMETHING YOU ALL DON'T WANT TO HEAR, SHE LOSS, get over it!

    If there were to reverse positions, there would be calls from all over AMERICA for him to give him! It's time her people told her to give the hell up.

    April 3, 2008 04:57 pm at 4:57 pm |
  10. Dora

    One of you ask for 3 reasons to vote for Hillary.
    1, Not Obama
    2.Not Obama
    3.Not Obama
    I will vote Hillary for the reasons you said not to answer but I will not vote for Obama for any reason. Hillary will win ,so please stop your negative mouthing. It does not make Obama any better. And the Republicans and the Independents who have voted for him will not vote for him in Nov. Get real people.

    April 3, 2008 04:57 pm at 4:57 pm |
  11. Hillary Supporter

    I am a Hillary supporter, but it's pretty obvious sen.Obama will win the nomination based on the math. Anyway, Sen. Obama will get my vote in the general election. I think it's time democrats & independents, and some republicans (who favor democrats) unite and help bring a new generation of leadership to this country. I love Hillary, but I also like Sen. Obama. We are democrats infact. Lets all unite. Obama 2008. Democrats 2008

    April 3, 2008 04:57 pm at 4:57 pm |
  12. LISSA-ST.LOUIS,MO.

    WHEN IS HILLARY GOING TO STOP LYING,WHEN IS SHE GOING TO ACCEPT DEFEAT YOU HAVE HER SUPERDELEGATES TURNING ON HER.PLEASE FOR THE SAKE OF THE PARTY GET OUT NOW.

    April 3, 2008 04:57 pm at 4:57 pm |
  13. Colie Brice

    ** NEWS FLASH **

    Obama is winning Hillary. Hang it up. The only thing "Rocky" about you is your marriage and your campaign..

    April 3, 2008 04:57 pm at 4:57 pm |
  14. Think - FL

    Hillary and Bill are fighting for their lives because they probably literally are. They might go the way of Vince Foster. Bill's silly foundation has taken in hundreds of millions of dollars from around the world with the guarantee that Hillary would get elected. That has been their ultimate goal for the last 30+ years when they got married. If she was able to make it into the White House it would elevate them to superstar status around the world and she could start handing out the millions (billions?!) due back to their supporters.

    When she gets beat there are going to be some very unhappy people. I honestly can't believe anyone supports these fools. I'd love to see a sampling of intelligence levels because rarely do I see an intelligent argument from anyone supporting her. Generally the people making intelligent arguments in favor of her stand to gain something from her being elected... and even then those arguments are usually based on deceptions, twists or flat-out lies.

    April 3, 2008 04:58 pm at 4:58 pm |
  15. NObama

    Here's the Three reason's to support Hilary

    1. She doesn't have Oprah's support.
    2. She has no support form the "business as usual/Old White Boys Club" Washington Crowd like her opponent.
    3. She doesn't belong to a Racial Seperatist Church.

    April 3, 2008 04:58 pm at 4:58 pm |
  16. CHERYL

    OBAMA IS BUSY SPENDING OPRAH'S MONEY TO SMEAR HILLARY!!!!!!

    IT WOULD BE NICE IF HE GAVE A LITTLE TO THE POOR!!!!!!!

    WHO DO YOU WANT?

    SOMEONE ON YOUR LEVEL OR AN ELITIST THAT LOOKS DOWN HIS NOSE AT YOU!!!!!!

    I WANT THE ONE I CAN TRUST!

    SENATOR CLINTON!!!!!!!!!!

    April 3, 2008 04:59 pm at 4:59 pm |
  17. Ceci

    I hope the superdelegates have better sense than to jump ship. Stand up for what you believe and what is right! You cannot be double minded and be a leader.
    Go Clintons!!!!

    April 3, 2008 04:59 pm at 4:59 pm |
  18. Tim

    What an awful talking point. Many of the caucus states don't even report the popular vote, so how are they supposed to be taken into consideration? Oh yes, I forgot, they don't count (except for Nevada).

    April 3, 2008 05:00 pm at 5:00 pm |
  19. frank wynne

    I am not necessarily a clinton fan, but after what happened in the 2000 election, I think it is absolutely outrageous that people continue to suggest that she drop out of the race before the primaries are over. After all, aren't we(democrats) supposed to be for counting ALL of the votes? To suggest that she drop out means you are disenfranchising millions of her supporters in the remaining primaries(I know, because as a resident of florida our votes may not count either). And as far as the florida vote goes, it should be divided according to the votes won by either candidate in florida with the winner getting the greater number of delegates. Michigan should not count since Obama's name was not on the ballot.

    April 3, 2008 05:00 pm at 5:00 pm |
  20. Ginky

    I hear too many people here voting on likeability, We are voting for the President of the US. I for one favor someone with more years experience. The same mistake the Country made with Bush is about to be repeated unless these Obamanation voters wake up and see the handwritung on the wall.

    April 3, 2008 05:00 pm at 5:00 pm |
  21. I'm just sayin....

    Math is hard! Just ask Barbie!

    Popular vote (gone to Obama). Pledged delegates (gone to Obama). Superdelegates (slip slidin' away toward Obama).

    Shopping, now that's easy! New hat, new shoes, new attitude!

    Sadly, if only it were true. Hillary needs a new attitude 'cause the old one ain't workin'.

    Two snaps, Barack!

    April 3, 2008 05:00 pm at 5:00 pm |
  22. Kenneth

    I am a strong supporter of Senator Clinton and do agree that she must make a better stand in the coming primaries. Moreover, I also think that the media has unfairly villified she and (former) President Bill Clinton. Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton essentially have the same ideologies; however, she has the most amount of experience between the two of them. Given that fact I think that it should be a foregone conclusion that she prevail as the nominee of the Democratic party in July.

    Last of all, Jon Corzine is Governor of New Jersey....he is not a "senator".

    April 3, 2008 05:00 pm at 5:00 pm |
  23. CHERYL

    OBAMA STRUTS AROUND LIKE HE HAS IT IN THE BAG!!!!!!

    IN REALITY HE HAS A BAG OF DOO DOO!!!!!!!

    LETS PUT HIM IN HIS PLACE ON APRIL 22!

    VOTE FOR HILLARY!!!!!!!!!!

    April 3, 2008 05:00 pm at 5:00 pm |
  24. Tre

    With Obama surging in Pennsylvania, it's about that time for Team Clinton to start spinning Hillary as the underdog. I would love to support America's first woman President, but I insist that it shouldn't be a woman as disgraceful as Hillary Clinton. There are so many other women, other than Hillary, with distinguished service who would bring much more dignity to integrity to the table than either Clinton.

    April 3, 2008 05:01 pm at 5:01 pm |
  25. Rob - Canada

    We are talking about Hill and Bill........I am betting they have a little more spin left in them yet.Should be fun to see what angle they come up with next.Get ready for the mud to fly right before the Pennsylvania vote.Hey Hillary ,see if you can come up with something new this time.The Reverend Wright thing just don't fly anymore.By the way,how are the tax returns coming.We will see them soon ,right.These two mega-ego's just don't get it nor will they ever.

    April 3, 2008 05:01 pm at 5:01 pm |
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