April 3rd, 2008
04:32 PM ET
3 years ago

Clinton backers: She must win popular vote

 Corzine and Murtha are supporters of Clinton.
Corzine and Murtha are supporters of Clinton.

(CNN) - Two prominent supporters of Hillary Clinton suggested Thursday the New York senator needs to best rival Barack Obama in the total popular vote to have any chance at winning her party's presidential nomination.

In separate media interviews, New Jersey Gov. Jon Corzine and Pennsylvania Rep. Jack Murtha both indicated they believed Clinton will be unable to convince enough superdelegates to support her if she finishes second to Obama in both the pledged delegate count and the popular vote.

Speaking on CNBC, Corzine suggested it won't be enough for Clinton to argue she deserves the nomination because she has won more crucial swing states than Obama - a talking point the senator's campaign has long argued.

"I think it would be a very hard argument to make," Corzine said of that position. "I'm a very aggressive supporter of Senator Clinton, but I think you need at least a popular vote."

Corzine also suggested he himself may cast his superdelegate vote for Obama should Clinton fail to win the popular vote, though the New Jersey governor insisted he thought Clinton would come out on top in that count if the Florida and Michigan contests were counted.

Murtha echoed Corzine's sentiments in an interview later Thursday, saying, "Clinton has to win Pennsylvania…She has to be ahead in the popular vote to have any chance at all of getting this nomination."

Clinton is heavily favored to win in the April 22 Pennsylvania primary, though recent polls suggest Obama may be narrowing the gap there.

Most estimates currently have Obama leading Clinton by approximately 700,000 votes in the popular vote. If the results of Michigan and Florida — the two states that were penalized for moving up its primary — are factored in, the gap is approximately half that.

Re-vote efforts in both states failed last month and it appears highly unlikely the results of either of the earlier contests will stand, meaning Clinton will need to achieve decisive wins in several of the 10 remaining primary contest to have a chance at overtaking Obama in the popular vote count.

– CNN Ticker Producer Alexander Mooney

soundoff (390 Responses)
  1. April S. Reyna

    I really don't understand how this election is fair or how some say it's the people who choose who is elected. If Florida and Michigan voters we not cheated out of their votes by politicians, then Hillary Clinton would be in the lead and probably win this election.

    April 3, 2008 05:21 pm at 5:21 pm |
  2. kw

    we'll never fairly know the popular vote!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Dem party is ridiculous!

    Jesse Ventura 08

    April 3, 2008 05:21 pm at 5:21 pm |
  3. Erick

    Re: Kenneth Woodard

    Name three reasons why you are for Obama without using the words change or Washington Outsider. Obama was such a great state senator from 96-2000 that he lost re-election to Bill Rush in 2000. If Obama is the uniter, problem solving- outsider...Why the defeat?

    Obama or Mccain? This six-time democratic presidential nominee voter has only one choice...vote straight Republican ticket.

    April 3, 2008 05:22 pm at 5:22 pm |
  4. sally, new york

    this is all fine, but what about the superdelegates that have pledged their support to a particular candidate that their constituency voted against??????????????? there's so much hipocracy!!!

    April 3, 2008 05:22 pm at 5:22 pm |
  5. Nasty Nasty

    And I'm not talking about the candidates, I'm talking about the supporters.

    April 3, 2008 05:22 pm at 5:22 pm |
  6. Tjaye

    Obama should just let her have Michigan and Florida JUST to show that she STILL can't win even WITH them. Then lets see what she comes up with as her new excuse.

    April 3, 2008 05:22 pm at 5:22 pm |
  7. Tim in Arkansas

    Was tired of the Clintons when they were in Arkansas.

    Even more tired of them while Bill was in the Whitehouse.

    Completely fed-up with Hillary and her supportors crying over her not winning.

    Will be very happy to see the end of the Clintons and their politics.

    April 3, 2008 05:24 pm at 5:24 pm |
  8. Nikita

    Why don't we just linch Hillary Clinton since demoralizing is not sufficient. I have never witnessed a more biased campaign, super delegates included. This is an outrage. We will be a nation divided with Obama. We will not have audacity of hope but rather the audacity of mistakes and economic woes. We, the people, are now divided: a strong message to super delegates!

    April 3, 2008 05:24 pm at 5:24 pm |
  9. Eric

    The only thing to due is for the Hillary supporters to stop acting like babies and endorse Obama. Do not let the media turn the party against each other. A unify party we can win.

    April 3, 2008 05:24 pm at 5:24 pm |
  10. Independent

    who cares about the popular vote – americans cant be trusted to decide on their government – its up to those already in government to decide...and the pledged delgates dont matter! do they? I thought that everybody could just do whatever they wanted? Why cant we just listen to whose is yelling the loudest? Isnt that what makes the most sense?

    April 3, 2008 05:25 pm at 5:25 pm |
  11. Elana, Melbourne Florida

    Why dosn't anyone ask hillary about the PLEDGE SHE SIGNED about not counting the florida and michigan votes. Oh yeah- that only mattered if she was winning. What a loser. by the way, I live in florida and knew my vote wasn't going to count...it will in November though, and its counting for OBAMA!

    April 3, 2008 05:25 pm at 5:25 pm |
  12. Dora

    In Missouri only St. Louis and Kansas City voted for Obama the rest of the state voted for Hillary. So I wonder how the kool aid drinkers can say he won Missouri.

    April 3, 2008 05:27 pm at 5:27 pm |
  13. Bayou Joe

    Too bad you Obama supporters can't see the forest for the trees. Clinton may not have a chance to catch up, but she is the better candidate. 3 reasons . Supports America, Her husband supports America and her followers do too. That is why Hillary Democrats see
    McCain as their only alternative.

    So get ready to lose in November.

    April 3, 2008 05:27 pm at 5:27 pm |
  14. Jeff Daniels

    It appears to me that the only people who still beleive that Hillary can win over Senator Obama is Hillary, Bill and Chelsea.

    Senator Clinton is quickly becoming a very lonely women; and she must do the honourable thing and concede defeat!

    April 3, 2008 05:27 pm at 5:27 pm |
  15. becky

    i'm getting a little sick of super what evers, this the [united states of america,this the greaest country in all this planet,i as an american i a'm very proud to be one,i if around will never let anyone disgrace her or condiumn her in anyway shape or form,i have never been so ashamed of how the people of american have treated her we cut down her trees we plute her waters,we poison her air,we destory her wild life that was here before we were.it's now time that we pay her back and treat her like the beaitful country that is ,protect her ,build her back to the wonder she is and put her states and cities back to the way they use to be,and praise her because that why everyone wants to be here,but we still need to keep in mind that people in the past and the future will always want to hurt her ,we as her children need to make sure this never happens again,we need to make sure whomever we put in office can and will protect this wonderful [lace we call america home sweet home and i as an american believe that hillary clinton would be the best person for this job. god bless america!

    April 3, 2008 05:28 pm at 5:28 pm |
  16. Nando, Florida

    The Hillary Dream is like the Black and White Western Movie when I was a kid . When the Cowboys get shot and they Bleed for like 3days walking in the Desert with there canteen out of water. A slow long bleeding death is what America is watching.

    April 3, 2008 05:28 pm at 5:28 pm |
  17. yns

    HILLARY FOR PRESIDENT! You go! I am behind you all the way! Don't let the "good ole boys" try to chase you out of this one! You are the ONE for PRESIDENT! You get my vote, or I don't vote!

    April 3, 2008 05:28 pm at 5:28 pm |
  18. Jesse

    Kenneth Woodard

    1. Rev. Wright!!!!!!!!
    2. Rev Wright!!!!!!!!
    3. Rev. Wright!!!!!!!

    April 3, 2008 05:30 pm at 5:30 pm |
  19. David, it's still snowing in Des Moines

    Let us unite around Barack Obama!

    Clinton supporters, I thank you but now it is time to come back home. We will leave the light on for you and the door is always open. Your support for Mrs. Clinton has been un wavering.

    Thank you-
    A true democrat
    and Obama supporter

    April 3, 2008 05:30 pm at 5:30 pm |
  20. John

    Obama supporters,have you read the latest National poll on what voters think of the three presidential contenders? Ok,here is the bombshell- 37% Nationally,say Obama is inexprienced. – 24% rate Hillary untrustworthy – 27% just don't want McCain in the White House because of the Iraqi war.It does not take a rocket scientist to interprate where the voters are coming from!

    April 3, 2008 05:30 pm at 5:30 pm |
  21. sally, new york

    there's a great article on realclearpolitics today showing how easily she can win the popular vote – all you nay-sayers should check it out.

    April 3, 2008 05:31 pm at 5:31 pm |
  22. Matt K

    After she loses the nomination, she'll run as an independant. As absurd as her campaign has been, would anyone put that past her?

    April 3, 2008 05:32 pm at 5:32 pm |
  23. Scott C

    She has to win by 10%+ in EVERY remaining state to gain the popular vote lead.

    We can plainly see she wont get that in Pennsylvania, and see will lose North Carolina, meaning she will need to win the other remaining states by 80%+ to gain the popular vote lead.

    She CAN NOT win now.

    Even with Florida and Michigan seated as is... which will not happen anyway.

    April 3, 2008 05:32 pm at 5:32 pm |
  24. H

    DEB
    I AGREE WITH YOU. ONLY THING BO HAS IS MONEY AND YOU KNOW MONEY IS THE ROOT TO ALL EVILS. HE DOES NOT DESERVE THE VOTES BUT CAN BUY THEM.

    April 3, 2008 05:32 pm at 5:32 pm |
  25. RF

    Wow! Latest PA poll has OB down two points. Wait! He just took the lead. No wait. It's Tied. No Wait. He just took the lead!.
    You would think this is basketball.
    Change for the sake of changing. Not worth it.

    April 3, 2008 05:32 pm at 5:32 pm |
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