April 3rd, 2008
04:32 PM ET
3 years ago

Clinton backers: She must win popular vote

 Corzine and Murtha are supporters of Clinton.
Corzine and Murtha are supporters of Clinton.

(CNN) - Two prominent supporters of Hillary Clinton suggested Thursday the New York senator needs to best rival Barack Obama in the total popular vote to have any chance at winning her party's presidential nomination.

In separate media interviews, New Jersey Gov. Jon Corzine and Pennsylvania Rep. Jack Murtha both indicated they believed Clinton will be unable to convince enough superdelegates to support her if she finishes second to Obama in both the pledged delegate count and the popular vote.

Speaking on CNBC, Corzine suggested it won't be enough for Clinton to argue she deserves the nomination because she has won more crucial swing states than Obama - a talking point the senator's campaign has long argued.

"I think it would be a very hard argument to make," Corzine said of that position. "I'm a very aggressive supporter of Senator Clinton, but I think you need at least a popular vote."

Corzine also suggested he himself may cast his superdelegate vote for Obama should Clinton fail to win the popular vote, though the New Jersey governor insisted he thought Clinton would come out on top in that count if the Florida and Michigan contests were counted.

Murtha echoed Corzine's sentiments in an interview later Thursday, saying, "Clinton has to win Pennsylvania…She has to be ahead in the popular vote to have any chance at all of getting this nomination."

Clinton is heavily favored to win in the April 22 Pennsylvania primary, though recent polls suggest Obama may be narrowing the gap there.

Most estimates currently have Obama leading Clinton by approximately 700,000 votes in the popular vote. If the results of Michigan and Florida — the two states that were penalized for moving up its primary — are factored in, the gap is approximately half that.

Re-vote efforts in both states failed last month and it appears highly unlikely the results of either of the earlier contests will stand, meaning Clinton will need to achieve decisive wins in several of the 10 remaining primary contest to have a chance at overtaking Obama in the popular vote count.

– CNN Ticker Producer Alexander Mooney

soundoff (390 Responses)
  1. BenNow

    Looks to me like the wheels are falling off the Clinton kitchen-sink campaign pretty fast.

    April 3, 2008 03:10 pm at 3:10 pm |
  2. Madison , PA

    Great ..!!! Say it to Hillary and Bill. They need to be realistic.

    April 3, 2008 03:10 pm at 3:10 pm |
  3. Maxine

    Who are they kidding. Clinton is in this through the end. They are going to have to pull her off the stage at the convention, she is not giving up. Get real people, you have already allowed her to go longer than you would have Obama if the numbers were refersed. So get real.

    If the Dems think the Clintons are going to go easy, you better think again.

    Superdelegates better start making up their minds now, because she is hurting the party. I thought I would have voted for her, but not with the things that have come out to remind me of all the grud during the Clintons era, the high handed attitudes they all have. Give me a BREAK.

    April 3, 2008 03:11 pm at 3:11 pm |
  4. D.W.; Miami, FL

    Take Home Message:

    1) She would STILL be behind if MI and FL were counted.

    2) Rules are useless and Obama should be penalized for following them.

    We all know Clinton's numbers drop when she campaigns in a state. Are we are supposed to hand her two give-me's in states that didn't get the midas touch of her winning personality and friednly campaign?

    April 3, 2008 03:11 pm at 3:11 pm |
  5. Celia Ann in Michigan

    Well, he endorsed a year ago alot has changed.

    My dad always said, Sweet Pea, you always have the right to change your mind. You may have to walk out the consequences for it, but be true to yourself. If the Clinton's don't understand that, tough.

    April 3, 2008 03:11 pm at 3:11 pm |
  6. Me

    Corzine is the Governor of NJ, not the Senator.

    April 3, 2008 03:11 pm at 3:11 pm |
  7. k. Mendleson, CA

    . . . .It will be the the Delegate count that matters, even though Senator
    Obama is leading also in popular votes.

    April 3, 2008 03:13 pm at 3:13 pm |
  8. chuck

    If Clinton wins Pennsylvania by 11% she would get an 89-69 split in the delegates and that would give Clinton 1162 and Obama 1158 delegates "elected" by the public vote in PRIMARY elections.

    If people don't like superdelegates, they ought to hate caucus delegates because as we saw in Texas to don't represent the will of the voters in the election. In Texas those caucus delegate voted against how the public voted and stole that election.

    April 3, 2008 03:13 pm at 3:13 pm |
  9. Kelley

    flip flop

    April 3, 2008 03:14 pm at 3:14 pm |
  10. Sharon

    Your right......but she WILL win the Popular Vote....and the dems will not take this one away from her like they took it from Gore.......

    April 3, 2008 03:14 pm at 3:14 pm |
  11. seektruth

    she have to win 56% on the remain 10 tests! that is really impossible! she have to win 65% in order to close the delegate gap (167) ! THAT IS ABOSULETLY IMPOSSIBLE!

    April 3, 2008 03:14 pm at 3:14 pm |
  12. Rich

    It will be difficult for Clinton to catch up in the popular vote, she will win PA in low single digits and after that without counting the popular vote in FL & MI their is little hope to gain on Obama.

    And I agree with the Cintonites that claim Obama can't win, if they don't vote for him he can't. But the reverse is also true. Stop spinning everything so that it favors your candidate and start standing up for the Democratic party. The GOP is going to make this ugly and we all need to stay strong, believe and fight for our parties candidate regardless of who that is.

    April 3, 2008 03:14 pm at 3:14 pm |
  13. Susan MO

    GO HILLARY!!!!!!

    April 3, 2008 03:15 pm at 3:15 pm |
  14. tips

    corzine and murtha do you still believe that clinton can make it ?
    endorse obama .....

    April 3, 2008 03:15 pm at 3:15 pm |
  15. matthew

    Why everyone has sullied their good names with Hillary Clinton, I will never understand.

    Hillary supporters, at this point, your best bet is to change the rules and cheat??? Thats what your best bet is???

    Dont you get it, you needed a better female candidate. The African American community put out the best it had and the womens movement put out Hillary Clinton....

    Welcome to the future, I am sorry you didnt get any in high school and werent cool. The rest of us that "get it" are all aboard the Obama train to the future.

    OBAMA 08!!!!!!!!!!!

    April 3, 2008 03:15 pm at 3:15 pm |
  16. Shirley, Silicon Valley, CA

    Only in the Clinton fantasy land that rules don't count unless it is favorable to her! All those votes in the "small" states didn't mean anything to her until now she is so far behind on everything and Hillary wants to count those illigimate votes! It's amazing how many people fell into her trap. Those bakboneless politicians have no guts to stand up for rules!

    Hillary is such disgrace!

    April 3, 2008 03:16 pm at 3:16 pm |
  17. Matt

    The writing on the wall is loud and clear Billary. You lost.

    April 3, 2008 03:16 pm at 3:16 pm |
  18. jfs Memhis, Tn

    These gentlemen are already softening to what the enevitable will be.........I really think that the Pa voters need to end this thing. It really does not make sense to split donations between these candidates any longer. There's a real battle ahead in Nov folks..........its not a shoe- in by any means. Senator Clinton is not going to make it.............in Dec she had over $100 million Dollars in her coffers, She had most of the Major Democratic Support, She Had Huge Name Recognition. NOBODY even knew who Obama was.............if she was going to have won Folks it would have been during Super Tuesday. Since she has gone negative it has become even worse for her chances. I really think that the people of PA. need to end this thing so we can elect Obama in Nov..........

    April 3, 2008 03:16 pm at 3:16 pm |
  19. uchujin

    As "pawns" of the Clinton campaign machine they may be stalwarts but they can't change the game....Checkmate!

    April 3, 2008 03:17 pm at 3:17 pm |
  20. alaska1125

    "Sigh"...Can the Clinton's not see the handwriting on the wall? They've thrown every dirty trick they can at Obama and still she sheds supporters on a daily basis. Pull the plug now so we can unify this party.

    April 3, 2008 03:17 pm at 3:17 pm |
  21. JERRY

    CORZINE DID NOT GET WHERE HE IS BY TAKING RISKS THAT HAD NO CHANCE OF PAYING OFF.

    April 3, 2008 03:17 pm at 3:17 pm |
  22. Farrell, Houston, Tx

    The parties over, Hillary's key supporters are circling Obama. I've said it once and I'll say it again, Hillary will created her own demise for the nomination. It's hard to continue supporting Hillary when she, Bill and Chelsea constantly attack people. I'd say they pissed off a lot of important people and really it's too bad.

    April 3, 2008 03:18 pm at 3:18 pm |
  23. Obama08

    Jimmy Carter to endose Obama. Hillary, please stop giving the Republicans a reason to smile. GET OUT AND HELP OBAMA WIN IN NOVEMBER. HE WOULD DO IT FOR YOU!!! STOP BEING A SELFISH PIG!!!

    April 3, 2008 03:18 pm at 3:18 pm |
  24. HP Boston

    We CANNOT win the GE with only half or even 2/3 of our number voting for our candidate.

    Therefore, we must wait until the process is completed and every state is allowed to participate in order to make sure they don't feel alienated, and of course, because we are a DEMOCRACY, people. EVERYONE's vote must be counted!!!

    With such a close race, the Clinton camp could just as easily call on Obama to step down "for the good of the party."

    April 3, 2008 03:18 pm at 3:18 pm |
  25. Deb

    What this article didn't mention is that most of the votes BO has where obtained before we found out that he is a Liar, Racist, Anti-American with really poor judgment and no experience!

    Hillary is the only viable candidate left!

    Where BO the nominee we would be handing the White House to McCain!

    April 3, 2008 03:18 pm at 3:18 pm |
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