April 3rd, 2008
04:32 PM ET
3 years ago

Clinton backers: She must win popular vote

 Corzine and Murtha are supporters of Clinton.
Corzine and Murtha are supporters of Clinton.

(CNN) - Two prominent supporters of Hillary Clinton suggested Thursday the New York senator needs to best rival Barack Obama in the total popular vote to have any chance at winning her party's presidential nomination.

In separate media interviews, New Jersey Gov. Jon Corzine and Pennsylvania Rep. Jack Murtha both indicated they believed Clinton will be unable to convince enough superdelegates to support her if she finishes second to Obama in both the pledged delegate count and the popular vote.

Speaking on CNBC, Corzine suggested it won't be enough for Clinton to argue she deserves the nomination because she has won more crucial swing states than Obama - a talking point the senator's campaign has long argued.

"I think it would be a very hard argument to make," Corzine said of that position. "I'm a very aggressive supporter of Senator Clinton, but I think you need at least a popular vote."

Corzine also suggested he himself may cast his superdelegate vote for Obama should Clinton fail to win the popular vote, though the New Jersey governor insisted he thought Clinton would come out on top in that count if the Florida and Michigan contests were counted.

Murtha echoed Corzine's sentiments in an interview later Thursday, saying, "Clinton has to win Pennsylvania…She has to be ahead in the popular vote to have any chance at all of getting this nomination."

Clinton is heavily favored to win in the April 22 Pennsylvania primary, though recent polls suggest Obama may be narrowing the gap there.

Most estimates currently have Obama leading Clinton by approximately 700,000 votes in the popular vote. If the results of Michigan and Florida — the two states that were penalized for moving up its primary — are factored in, the gap is approximately half that.

Re-vote efforts in both states failed last month and it appears highly unlikely the results of either of the earlier contests will stand, meaning Clinton will need to achieve decisive wins in several of the 10 remaining primary contest to have a chance at overtaking Obama in the popular vote count.

– CNN Ticker Producer Alexander Mooney

soundoff (390 Responses)
  1. maya

    It is beyond ridiculous that Hillary should now be penalized- actually penalized- for a DNC catastrophic blunder.

    I think that the superdelegates should act as if the delegates for Florida and Michigan were seated- regardless of whether they are or not- when making their decisions. Real votes were cast- we cannot deny this fact.

    I am ashamed of my party.

    April 3, 2008 03:44 pm at 3:44 pm |
  2. Mary - PA

    I'm glad to see that not all Clinton supporters have the same slash and burn mentality that Sen. and President Clinton have.

    April 3, 2008 03:44 pm at 3:44 pm |
  3. Prince

    she will win in PA...say something new

    April 3, 2008 03:45 pm at 3:45 pm |
  4. Brandy

    OBAMA 08! It's time for change!

    April 3, 2008 03:45 pm at 3:45 pm |
  5. Portland

    There will be a revote in both of those states. Otherwise the DUH DEMS are DOOMED in Novuhhmmmm'brrrrrrrrr

    April 3, 2008 03:45 pm at 3:45 pm |
  6. carol NC

    She is not going to win I don't know why she just don't bow out gracefully. Instead of making a mockery of herself.

    April 3, 2008 03:46 pm at 3:46 pm |
  7. JT in Dallas

    This is so sad. The Dems are throwing away the election. The republicans are already running against Obama. If you listen to the responses, T.V., radio, print media and blogs, not just what you hear in your personal cave's BHO supporters, American's are afraid of Barak and his lack of experience. This is not the time for training wheels and supporters with a chip on their shoulder about race issue. The republicans are talking about issues not wishes and the 60’s.
    So sad!

    April 3, 2008 03:46 pm at 3:46 pm |
  8. Adjetey

    These guys are joking ...

    The contest is over

    Where was Hillary when Obama was winning 13 in a row? She was busily Guillaning.

    April 3, 2008 03:47 pm at 3:47 pm |
  9. Brandy

    P.S. Pro-Hillary bloggers are going to be fired up now! It's going to be some angry blogging going on!

    Let's go to the White House Obama!

    April 3, 2008 03:47 pm at 3:47 pm |
  10. Abbey

    I personally will have a problem with Michigan or Florida delegates being seated at the convention. The democratic party put together the rules, everyone agreed, and the states did it anyway knowing the consequences. I have a hard time respecting a party that will give them a "get out of jail free" card. What are we really teaching people if we can't even follow simple rules? This is what makes me have a lack in faith for the democratic party. You set the rules, follow them. Period.

    April 3, 2008 03:48 pm at 3:48 pm |
  11. After further review,Texas

    About says it all.

    April 3, 2008 03:48 pm at 3:48 pm |
  12. Black Male in Support of Hillary

    I agree. As a Hillary supporter I would agree this is the only arguement we have left. I would prefer that she wins but if she doesn't I would hope that she would do whatever it takes to make sure she unites the party. Otherwise I probably will not vote and take pride in not being one of the many taking part in this childish back and forth bickering that is going on. I can honestly say that the candidates might be better than the actual people voting for them. Wow

    April 3, 2008 03:50 pm at 3:50 pm |
  13. Mike

    she needs to finish strong and win the popular vote... the whole reason Obama does not want a revote in MI and FL... he would most likely lose both and the popular vote for sure...

    my question is if they count the vote in Florida does she get the popular vote numbers??? I think she would be ahead or just a little behind...

    April 3, 2008 03:50 pm at 3:50 pm |
  14. Ray

    It doersn't matter. Both Obama and Clinton will lose to McCain.

    April 3, 2008 03:51 pm at 3:51 pm |
  15. Chuck in Oregon

    This is nothing new, I have been saying this for a long time. You can't buy or agrue the election from the people, you must earn it through legal votes.

    April 3, 2008 03:52 pm at 3:52 pm |
  16. ariel

    The tide is inexorable.The Wall Street Journal suggested today that Harry Reid seriously consider offering his postion as Majority Leader to Hillary in return for the suspension of her campaign.This might well appeal to a candidate who has proven that she would need just such an outsized inducement to offset the bitterness of steppimg aside.i hope Reid will carefully and selflessly consider this suggestion..

    April 3, 2008 03:53 pm at 3:53 pm |
  17. Bill

    Obama should quit before being humiliated this fall

    April 3, 2008 03:53 pm at 3:53 pm |
  18. kim portland, oregon

    there's NO WAY she'll get the popular vote, obama is absolutely smoking her there.

    this makes me very happy cuz i was nervous about the superdelegates, but if these insiders dont think she'll get enough of them, i feel better about it.

    OBAMA/??? 08

    April 3, 2008 03:54 pm at 3:54 pm |
  19. Paul

    Hillary will NOT win the popular vote unless she rigs the remaining elections or Obama falls off a cliff. Good luck with that.

    April 3, 2008 03:54 pm at 3:54 pm |
  20. Dina Phila., Pa

    Finally!! Hillary supporters come out and tell the truth about this situation. Will the other Hillary supporters stop saying that Barack Obama is not going to win the nomination? Or will they stop saying that the media is favoring Obama? The facts are, there are more people in this country that believe that Barack Obama would make a better President then Hillary Clinton. We voted, and the #'s reflect his supporters.

    April 3, 2008 03:54 pm at 3:54 pm |
  21. ron wahahachie Texas

    Why wait for a pot of Gold. Drop out now. It cant be done. This is tmore bad news that she instructed her staff not to bring her. Its like the witch on the Wizard of Oz, "dont bring me no bad news". Then drop out or prepare for lots of bad news.

    April 3, 2008 03:55 pm at 3:55 pm |
  22. sophia nyc

    NO SHE MUSN"T.
    NO MORE CLINTONS.
    NO MORE BUSHES.

    April 3, 2008 03:55 pm at 3:55 pm |
  23. Steve

    It is not gonna happen. She will not win the popular vote, she will not get more votes than Obama. She has no support, cannot raise any money. She's done.

    Obama Bumper Sticker – $2.00
    Obama Campaign Contribution – $100
    Gas tank fill upon way to polls – $40
    Hillary Clinton's Concession Speech – Priceless

    April 3, 2008 03:56 pm at 3:56 pm |
  24. Dennis

    ANYTHING FOR HILLARY.
    THE RULES STATE IT'S A DELEGATE RACE, BUT LET'S CHANGE THEM FOR HILLARY.
    THEY AGREED NOT TO COUNT FLORIDAY AND MICHIGAN, BUT LET'S CHANGE THAT RULE FOR HILLARY.

    WHY HAVE PRIMARIES. WE COULD HAVE SAVED 100S OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS BY JUST GIVING IT TO HER IN THE FIRST PLACE.

    April 3, 2008 03:56 pm at 3:56 pm |
  25. Scott C

    It is good to see some of her people aren't warm to the idea of taking the nomination even if they are in second place in every regard... unlike the Candidate herself.

    It is worth pointing out that polling now gives her a 3-5% lead in Pennsylvania, down from 10%+ one week ago.

    She can't and wont catch up in the popular vote with a win in those margins. If her numbers continue to decrease she may in fact lose Pennsylvania.

    Penn. is her last hope to gain traction, it is the biggest state left and her last real shot to narrow Obama's lead, it looks like that isn't going to happen.

    If she loses Penn. she is toast, and I believe that she will drop out... at least I hope she has the decency to do that.

    April 3, 2008 03:56 pm at 3:56 pm |
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