April 3rd, 2008
04:32 PM ET
3 years ago

Clinton backers: She must win popular vote

 Corzine and Murtha are supporters of Clinton.
Corzine and Murtha are supporters of Clinton.

(CNN) - Two prominent supporters of Hillary Clinton suggested Thursday the New York senator needs to best rival Barack Obama in the total popular vote to have any chance at winning her party's presidential nomination.

In separate media interviews, New Jersey Gov. Jon Corzine and Pennsylvania Rep. Jack Murtha both indicated they believed Clinton will be unable to convince enough superdelegates to support her if she finishes second to Obama in both the pledged delegate count and the popular vote.

Speaking on CNBC, Corzine suggested it won't be enough for Clinton to argue she deserves the nomination because she has won more crucial swing states than Obama - a talking point the senator's campaign has long argued.

"I think it would be a very hard argument to make," Corzine said of that position. "I'm a very aggressive supporter of Senator Clinton, but I think you need at least a popular vote."

Corzine also suggested he himself may cast his superdelegate vote for Obama should Clinton fail to win the popular vote, though the New Jersey governor insisted he thought Clinton would come out on top in that count if the Florida and Michigan contests were counted.

Murtha echoed Corzine's sentiments in an interview later Thursday, saying, "Clinton has to win Pennsylvania…She has to be ahead in the popular vote to have any chance at all of getting this nomination."

Clinton is heavily favored to win in the April 22 Pennsylvania primary, though recent polls suggest Obama may be narrowing the gap there.

Most estimates currently have Obama leading Clinton by approximately 700,000 votes in the popular vote. If the results of Michigan and Florida — the two states that were penalized for moving up its primary — are factored in, the gap is approximately half that.

Re-vote efforts in both states failed last month and it appears highly unlikely the results of either of the earlier contests will stand, meaning Clinton will need to achieve decisive wins in several of the 10 remaining primary contest to have a chance at overtaking Obama in the popular vote count.

– CNN Ticker Producer Alexander Mooney

soundoff (390 Responses)
  1. Fred, MD

    I wonder how long until they further move the goal post and come up with some other reason why she should be the nominee... It seems like she has a very hard time coming it terms with reality, now who does that remind me of....

    April 3, 2008 04:11 pm at 4:11 pm |
  2. WallyWutMD

    Did you know that a chicken can run around, flapping her wings, with her head cut off for up to 8 MONTHS!... That's alright... we can wait. There's a dinner party scheduled for Obama in November; right around the time that chicken will finally die. The main course? Bosnian style Chicken a la Carte, served in a pant suite.

    April 3, 2008 04:11 pm at 4:11 pm |
  3. Sage Bill

    One more attempt to make it past the CNN censors. Why do these articles continue to raise the possibility of not counting the popular vote in Florida and Michigan? The delegate tally remains a hot topic, but I believe the rule of the land is one man one vote. How can the actual votes themselves be dismissed? A fair adjudication would show that the popular vote tally is extremely close between Clinton and Obama, which can easily be overcome in the next 10 contests. Thus, it would be quite premature to be making victory speeches or overtures to folks like Al Gore to serve on cabinet positions.

    April 3, 2008 04:12 pm at 4:12 pm |
  4. Matt from NY

    One problem with these Clinton supporters' theory....

    The nomination goes to the candidate who wins the delegate count.... NOT THE POPULAR VOTE!!! regardless of whether or not the magic number is hit, it has always been a delegate issue. This keeps someone from winning the nomination if they can only win Uber-large states.

    What HRC and company want you to believe is that NY and California mean more than the will of 25 other states. WRONG, Hillary!

    I am from NY and I have voted for both Hillary and Bill, but the HRC team needs to STOP trying to change the rules already!!!!!

    April 3, 2008 04:13 pm at 4:13 pm |
  5. Sylvia

    Hillary....PLEASE RUN AS AN INDEPENDENT!!!!!!

    April 3, 2008 04:13 pm at 4:13 pm |
  6. Alison B

    If she was in the lead I am willing to bet money she would not care about Floriday or Michigan but it is only because she is behind that she is insisting t hat they get counted. Also if the tables were turned around and Obama was the one who was behind also she would be the one wanting him to exit the race.

    Anything she wants is only for her own interest ONLY.

    WHERE ARE YOUR TAXES HILARY!!!! WHAT ARE YOU WAITING FOR IF THERE IS NOTHING TO HIDE WHY IS THERE SUCH A DELAY IN SHOWING THEM COME ON NOW THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WANT TO SEE

    April 3, 2008 04:16 pm at 4:16 pm |
  7. Gary

    GOVERNOR Corzine

    April 3, 2008 04:16 pm at 4:16 pm |
  8. mndharmas

    the american election is not by popular vote. we would not have had 8 yrs of bush.

    April 3, 2008 04:18 pm at 4:18 pm |
  9. Grant

    You cannot add in MI to the mix, Obama was not even on the ticket there!! Clinton left her name on it though, although she lead every one to believe she would not, on the advice of her good friend and supporter the GOV!

    Another underhanded move from the Clintons....makes you think this was their plan all along....hmmmm, good back up stategy in case things go off the rails, which they did!

    Same thing in Florida, but both were on the ballot, although no one campaigned their but the Clintons

    April 3, 2008 04:21 pm at 4:21 pm |
  10. American Girl

    I have a suggestion:

    Divide FL & MI votes in half. Give each Candidate half of the half. Once the popular votes across the nations are tallied, split the remaining votes based on teh popular votes.

    In essence 366/2 =183 or round up to 184
    Clinton: 92 and Obama 92

    After the final tally of popular votes, divide the 182 based on the overall country's popular vote.

    April 3, 2008 04:22 pm at 4:22 pm |
  11. Jeff Radun

    In the end the super deligates will look at a few items.
    Obama
    1) Total states he won in demicratic nomination race
    2) States he won in demicratic nomination race that will be blue in general election
    3) States he won in demicratic nomination race that will be red in general election regardless of he or Hillary won in their nomination battle
    4) States he won in the demicratic nomination race that are purple states
    5) Most deligates
    6) Popular vote
    7) Can he beat McCain
    8) What the supers think the Mr Wright issue will do to their chances of getting the white house in the general
    9) What the supers think the Mr Rezko issue will do to their chances of getting the white house in the general

    Hillary
    1) Total states she won in demicratic nomination race
    2) States she won in demicratic nomination race that will be blue in general election
    3) States she won in demicratic nomination race that will be red in general election regardless of if she or Obama won their nomination battle
    4) States won in the demicratic nomination race that are purple states
    5) Most deligates
    6) Popular vote (If they count votes only Florida and Michigan not deligates
    7) Can he beat McCain

    April 3, 2008 04:23 pm at 4:23 pm |
  12. Samantha

    One can only hope the superdelegates will be so thoughtful as to consider the choice made by the people!

    April 3, 2008 04:24 pm at 4:24 pm |
  13. Noble Man

    Good once are not to be hidden and the Bible said that the light of the Lord cannot been hidden ın his city Amen
    Noble from Europe
    OBAMA 2008 come on stand for Changs and we believe that their will be Change in the World too

    April 3, 2008 04:26 pm at 4:26 pm |
  14. df

    Can you state 3 reasons why Obama should not be slected President.
    Answer
    Liar
    Big talk/no action
    Rev Wright

    April 3, 2008 04:26 pm at 4:26 pm |
  15. Amos

    Go go go go go go go! Hillary!

    April 3, 2008 04:27 pm at 4:27 pm |
  16. Ivy league?

    I wan people to know one thing

    Caucus states do not count in the popular vote. So this shows hows well Obama does out side Caucuses. If you counted the caucases vote for the states without primaries the lead would be much diffrent.

    Remember though Clinton cares about voters voting unless she doesn't win and then wants the superdelgates to go over voters head.

    April 3, 2008 04:28 pm at 4:28 pm |
  17. Sara from Arizona

    Go Obama!!! No more Clintons!!!

    April 3, 2008 04:30 pm at 4:30 pm |
  18. Evan

    I find it very hypocritical of Clinton supporters to whine about disenfranchisement in Florida and Michigan, while at the same time saying the popular vote should pick the nominee. How do they plan to reconcile the difference in voter turnout in caucus states compared to primary states? Or should caucus states just count three fifths as much as a primary state? Delegates are designed to offset this difference, so if does come down to who has more votes, going by pledged delegates is inherently more accurate than a national popular vote count.

    April 3, 2008 04:31 pm at 4:31 pm |
  19. Bebble

    CLINTON MAY HAVE LOST THE NOMINATION, BUT IT WILL BE OBAMA WHO WILL LOSE THE ELECTION.

    LIVE IN THE REAL WORLD OBAMAITES ENJOY THE FANTISY NOW.

    THIS CLINTON SUPPORTER WILL BE VOTING FOR MCCAIN.

    April 3, 2008 04:32 pm at 4:32 pm |
  20. Brandy

    Hillary WILL NOT win the popular vote! Hillary supporters are so delusional! It's unbelievable! I can't believe someone implied that she would!

    April 3, 2008 04:33 pm at 4:33 pm |
  21. Sara from Arizona

    I am convinced if Obama wins the nomination and election, Clinton will be there at the signing in and demand that the job is hers. They will have to drad her off.

    April 3, 2008 04:33 pm at 4:33 pm |
  22. Raum

    trouble is near for Hillary.

    April 3, 2008 04:33 pm at 4:33 pm |
  23. Tom

    Kenneth Woodward, what is wrong with having experience or solutions? Take away the word "change" and you would have nothing to say about Obama.

    You know what happens if this country gets worse? Change.
    You know what happens if this country gets better? Change.

    Change isn't enough. It has to be the RIGHT change.

    April 3, 2008 04:34 pm at 4:34 pm |
  24. Jane L.

    If Senator Clinton does not win the primary election, it will be the American people who lose. Instead, we'll have an amateur in the White House at a time when we desperately need the great leadership this capable, intelligent woman, who has a great deal of insight into the issues, could provide.

    April 3, 2008 04:34 pm at 4:34 pm |
  25. ERICA, Ohio

    YOU KNOW WHATS SO FUNNY ABOUT ALL THE OBAMA SUPPORTERS REMARKS IS THE FACT THAT IF OBAMA DOES GET THE NOM, HE'S GOING TO NEED ALL THE MILLIONS OF LOYAL HILLARY SUPPORTERS VOTES. YOU CANNOT WIN AN ELECTION WITH JUST THE YOUNG VOTE AND AFRICAN-AMERICANS. AS OF RIGHT NOW ALMOST 40% OF HILLARY SUPPORTERS SAY THEY WILL NOT VOTE FOR OBAMA IN THE GENERAL ELECTION. WHY? BECAUSE OF ARROGANT COCKY REMARKS JUST LIKE THESE. IM A HILLARY SUPPORTER AND SO ARE ALL MY FRIENDS, FAMILY AND CO-WORKERS WHOM ARE HRC SUPPORTERS SAY THEY WILL NOT VOTE BO IF GETTING THE NOM AND I WILL NOT EITHER. SO KEEP YOUR SNOTTY REMARKS GOING SO YOU CAN PUSH THE HILLARY SUPPORTERS FARTHER INTO JOHN MCCAINS CORNER AND I GUARANTEE YOUR PRESIDENT OBAMA DREAMS ARE GOING RIGHT OUT THE WINDOW!

    April 3, 2008 04:35 pm at 4:35 pm |
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