April 4th, 2008
03:32 PM ET
7 years ago

DNC returns funds to upset Florida donors

(CNN) – A Democratic National Committee spokeswoman confirms to CNN that the party has returned $45,000 to three Florida donors unhappy with the continuing uncertainty over the seating of that state's delegation at the party's presidential nominating convention this summer.

The move follows reports that some major Democratic donors from Florida and Michigan - the two states penalized by the party for moving their presidential primary votes to January - would look to have their donations returned if full delegations were not seated at the convention in Denver, or new votes held that would abide by DNC rules.

This week, Howard Dean met with Florida's Democratic congressional delegation and party leaders, and released joint statements with that group and with the Michigan committee looking to craft a resolution of the controversy in that state. Democratic state party leaders in both Florida and Michigan have announced that new votes are not logistically possible.


Filed under: DNC • Florida • Michigan
soundoff (188 Responses)
  1. OlvrWhit

    There votes should count. I would urge everyone in those states to demand their money back. Why support a party that refuses to count your vote and punishes you for something you had no control over. THIS IS NOT DEMOCRACY...Every vote should count. I have left the democratic party over this and the way they handled or mis-handled caucus elections. I will not support this party, even though I may support a democrat.

    April 4, 2008 06:24 pm at 6:24 pm |
  2. Millie

    FL and Michigan votes need to be counted. It's a matter of democracy. The people did not decide to change their primary. Not having a say on who will be one of the nominee's = not having a say on who we elect as President.
    If the DNC cannot solve the issue then both candidates should run for President. In the general election, if between both of them they get more votes than McCain then the Democratic Party wins and the democratic candidate with the most votes is elected President. This idea is unprecedented but aren't we all calling for change?

    April 4, 2008 06:24 pm at 6:24 pm |
  3. Gnosticman

    For crying out loud!!!!!!!! I am totally for a revote, but if its not possible then the delegates simply should not count. It's no longer a matter of fault for either Obama or Clinton, IT SIMPLY CAN"T HAPPEN! They just need to split them or move on without them. Dean has done a piss poor job managing these primaries through the DNC, and the democrats of both Michagan and Florida have done a piss poor job on their end. The DNC should certainly look at reforming the entire primary system for the democrats, maybe even go as far to put all the primary dates on one day. This dragging out of the primary process is riddled with nonsense and crippling to the party.

    April 4, 2008 06:24 pm at 6:24 pm |
  4. Chris in Va.

    Exactly when did Americans become illiterate? I am amazed when I read some of these posts. More amazing is that these people are not ashamed that they are illiterate. Typos are one thing, but most errors are just a lack of knowledge of basic English spelling. Better to remain silent and have people think you are an idiot than to post and leave no doubt. Most amazing of all is that these individuals will have a say in picking our next president.

    April 4, 2008 06:25 pm at 6:25 pm |
  5. Sophia, Los Angeles

    Ha Ha....

    Get your dirty money out of politics!!

    2007...the Year of the PEOPLE!!!

    Thank You DNC...Return that BRIBERY money.....the netroots can raises triple that in 24 hours.....

    THE POWER OF THE PEOPLE!!!

    P.S.
    I think Mich. and Florida should be seated with Hillary getting the majority of the Florida delegation and and the Michigan delegation should be split down the middle (His name was NOT on the ballot). The popular vote from both states should count with all of uncommitted (from Michigan (45%) going to Obama.

    Obviously, this plan is deeply flawed, but a revote is not feasible and and the democrats cannot afforded to lose Hillary's supports come Nov.......SO...they broke the rules and because they are such POOR SPORTS......just give them what they want.....

    BOTTOME LINE.....

    SHE STILL CAN"T WIN....

    So....SEAT THE DELEGATES AND OBAMA STILLS WINS AND HILLARY GETS WHAT SHE WANTS!!!

    WIN-WIN!

    April 4, 2008 06:28 pm at 6:28 pm |
  6. dorothy

    Dean, did the right things to return the donations, and that Florida, and Michigan will not have a Re-Do, because they violated the Rules. Hillary Clinton, is still claiming votes, when she already new the Rules. I find it very difficult to have a President, or Commander In Chief, who is a leader that Does not Follow the Rules herself. How can I tell my children, grandchildren or the next Generation, to Follow anything.

    April 4, 2008 06:29 pm at 6:29 pm |
  7. ALBO

    I repeat as stated in the former blog regarding this issue:

    - THE CAMPAIGN AGREES ON 4 OR 5 POLLSTERS to perform an
    opinion poll on a large base of 2000 samples during 1 week,
    immediately after May 12.
    - Delegates from FLORIDA and MICHIGAN WILL BE SEATED BASING
    ON THE AVERAGE OF SAID POLLS
    - candidates will be allowed to campaign there only from May 5 to 11
    - After PENN Apr.22, if candidates are able to agree so, these polls
    could be forfeited and the Delegates distributed 50/50%

    This would be fair, inexpensive and SATISFACTORY FOR BOTH STATES.

    iF A CANDIDATE REFUSES TO ACCEPT SUCH, THIS WOULD MEAN THAT ALL THE NOISE ABOUT DISENFRANCHISEMENT WAS PURE
    HYPOCRESY !!

    ALBO

    April 4, 2008 06:30 pm at 6:30 pm |
  8. A. Davis

    I think it is so ironic that the Clinton campaign claims to be concerned that the rules of the DNC be followed when it comes to how the super delegates vote at the convention. But on the other hand, she is willing to possibly override the pledged delegates and popular vote when it suits her. When Michican and Florida moved their primary up, were they following the rules of the DNC then?

    April 4, 2008 06:30 pm at 6:30 pm |
  9. This is why Obama will lose

    Obama not supporting a revote in MI = losing MI in GE if he is nominee

    Obama not supporting FL delegates seated = losing FL in GE if he is nominee

    Obama not supporting FL & MI = Obama is Stupid

    Not Winning FL's Electoral College = Losing GE

    THIS is why Clinton should be the Nominee

    April 4, 2008 06:32 pm at 6:32 pm |
  10. Jeff in WI

    ""Seems to me like the 45,000.00 would have paid for another revote. Did the DNC get greedy?""

    You think you can conduct a statewide primary for $45,000?

    I'd love to see you try,.

    April 4, 2008 06:32 pm at 6:32 pm |
  11. Bayou Joe

    What's the problem? Seat the Delegates. You are going to lose in November anyway so what's the problem. Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha.

    April 4, 2008 06:33 pm at 6:33 pm |
  12. rod

    Perhaps The DNC is in cahoots with The Democratic Caucus Committee, Delegates, and Super – Delegates which want to forget the Typical American Voter in Michigan and Florida. The DNC has muscel to change the allegiance toward the American Voter in Michigan and Florida and to retract those votes with a reprimand.

    April 4, 2008 06:33 pm at 6:33 pm |
  13. sam

    Obama doesnt want revote. This is pathetic. Obama had on his website a petition to get people to sign to get Hillary to release her tax records!! I dont see how this is change, Mr. Obama???Now quit complaining and release yours, you coward!!

    April 4, 2008 06:33 pm at 6:33 pm |
  14. VOTER FOR TRUTH AND DIGNITY IN AMERICA

    Folks, OBAMA had nothing to do with making the R-U-L-E-S.
    You people keep blaming him because Hillary blamed Him.
    Get over it, Florida. Michigan got over it and they were "bigger"
    than you. It was what it was and Hillary tries to break the rules
    or change them. That is evil on her behalf.Hillary is trying to
    break the rules because she is losing. Who wants a sore loser
    for President. America craves and deserves the TRUTH. Wonder Why???????????????????????????????????????????????

    Obama 2008

    Retired Professional White Woman for Obama from Day 1.

    April 4, 2008 06:34 pm at 6:34 pm |
  15. ginny bell j.b.n.ga.

    THERE YOU GO FLA. IS TRYING TO GIVE IT TO A REP. AGAIN...
    DEAN YOU ARE A WIMP...
    HILLARY WON AND SHOULD GET THESE VOTES,
    IF THEY WANTED OBOMA,THEY WROTE HIS NAME IN....
    HE LOST FAIR AND SQUAR, OBOMA WAKE UP. THE MEDIA GOES AGAINST HILL. BECAUSE THEY KNOW MCCAIN CAN NOT BEAT

    HER.
    YOU ARE A WIMP AND A SUCKER...OBOMA.....ALONE.....
    ALL THAT MONEY YOU HAVE PAID THEM TO BE ON YOUR SIDE....
    NOW YOU REALLY DO HAVE SOMETHING TO CRY ABOUT.....
    CNN YOU CAN SHUT UP NOW....SHE HAS RELEASED HER TAX PAPERS...
    YOU CAN TALK FOR DAYS...REMENBER HOW MUCH REGAN MADE...
    YOU CAN HAVE A FIELD DAY WITH HER TAXES.....
    BUSH HAS LIED ABOUT WHAT HE HAS MADE ON GAS...ALONE...CHECK IT OUT

    April 4, 2008 06:34 pm at 6:34 pm |
  16. Jim in Michigan

    I am glad to see so many people from other than Michigan and Florida concerning themselves with OUR disenfranchisement. I am a Democrat and I fully support the DNC decision not to seat our delegates. My complaint is not with them, rather the legislators in Michigan that thought that the rules that were agreed on by all concerned should not apply to them. If the DNC changes their decision, not only will I not vote for the democratic nominee I will, for the first time in my life, vote a straight Republican ballot. At least I know they believe the rules, or laws, don't apply to them.

    Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.

    April 4, 2008 06:34 pm at 6:34 pm |
  17. NickNas

    ATTENTION EVERYBODY PLEASE!

    I ask you ALL to read the posts by some person who calls themselves GRIF They ALL are either Blatantly Racist or rediculously false. HE OR SHE GOES BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN THE CANDIDATES. Even though we are at eachother right now KNOW that there are people out there who are TRYING to fan the flames to keep this up to disrupt what is sure to be a LANDSLIDE victory for the Dems. DON'T FALL FOR IT!!!

    If CNN posts this then my faith that they are just reporting the news and not just EATING this all up for profit will be stronger.

    April 4, 2008 06:35 pm at 6:35 pm |
  18. Tom Wilson, Boulder, CO

    Hillary 2012
    When FL and MI primaries were denied, Hillary did not speak out – and of course, neither did Barack. However, at that time, those states would not have played a critical role in the nomination; furthermore, both candidates surely knew that FL and MI would be critical in November, and that some resolution of the issue, acceptable to the voters, would become critical several months prior to the end of primary season.
    If Obama supporters are unable to cry "foul" about this issue, and only cry "foul" at _anything_ said or done by Clinton, and if Barack does not offer Hillary a place on the ticket as she has done for him, then our Democratic party will once again see a terrific candidate lose – this time not to a simpleton – but a man of experience and integrity – in other words, without a united Party, we don't stand a chance. The insults that fly at Clinton from Obama supporters gave been so nonsensical for so long, that Obama doesn't stand a chance! Remember, it's not just Clinton that you insult – it's all of us who support her as strongly as we supported Bill Clinton, the most popular President in his last two years in the last 50 years.

    Of course they are rich! So are Bush 1 and 2, and nearly every other President, either by birth, by industry, by marriage, or by fame and appearances or books afterward. Obamaites! Start using your brains if you have any. Have you lost every ability for critical thinking?

    April 4, 2008 06:36 pm at 6:36 pm |
  19. sam

    Obama doesnt want revote!! How sad. Thats what they told me when I called the DNC!

    April 4, 2008 06:36 pm at 6:36 pm |
  20. Paul, Ohio

    I am glad that our party is following the rules it made itself.

    April 4, 2008 06:36 pm at 6:36 pm |
  21. kenyze

    You people are nuts... Hillary folks are out of their mind... Changing the rules in the middle of the game is nonsense. Can you imagine if the shoe was on the other foot!?! They would crucify Obama if he had the AUDACITY to ask for the rules to be changed! Now the Hillary clan is trying to buy their way into the White House. Maybe Bill's oil buddies the Saudi's can grant that wish for them because they own more than a 1/4 of the US economy! This whole election is a bunch of CROCK! Democracy is dead as we know it! 2012 can't get here fast enough!

    April 4, 2008 06:38 pm at 6:38 pm |
  22. Darrel

    I just missed the comment submission regarding Clinton's tax returns, so....

    Haven't we all had enough, Bush / Clinton administrations? Besides, Hillary has already shown her true colors and many of you still want to vote for her? HELLO!! And, if you are voting for her just because you are the same gender, then please go and educate yourself. I do not have any issues with electing a female president, but NOT this one! It will happen eventually, just give it some time.

    And by-the-way, when you make that amount of money per year (even in a dishonest fashion), donating $10 million dollars to charity over an 8 year period is NOTHING – You should be donating much more. Many people pay tithing to their church; definition of "TITHE" – A tenth part of one's annual income (10%). The key word here is, "ANNUAL". DO THE MATH!

    April 4, 2008 06:38 pm at 6:38 pm |
  23. Gnosticman

    also, love the comments by John G and Independent! you tell them fellows!

    April 4, 2008 06:39 pm at 6:39 pm |
  24. julie

    Thanks to Dean and his sidekick Obama , McCain wins FL and MI, The price they pay for rigging this election.

    April 4, 2008 06:39 pm at 6:39 pm |
  25. Well, OK then...

    Wait, I'm confused. Let me see if I have this straight.

    1. The DNC created rules for when primaries could be run.
    2. Michigan and Florida were involved in that rules-making process. 3. Then they moved their primaries up, in violation of the rules.
    4. In breaking the rules, they got punished, by the DNC voiding their votes.

    April 4, 2008 06:40 pm at 6:40 pm |
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