April 4th, 2008
03:32 PM ET
6 years ago

DNC returns funds to upset Florida donors

(CNN) – A Democratic National Committee spokeswoman confirms to CNN that the party has returned $45,000 to three Florida donors unhappy with the continuing uncertainty over the seating of that state's delegation at the party's presidential nominating convention this summer.

The move follows reports that some major Democratic donors from Florida and Michigan - the two states penalized by the party for moving their presidential primary votes to January - would look to have their donations returned if full delegations were not seated at the convention in Denver, or new votes held that would abide by DNC rules.

This week, Howard Dean met with Florida's Democratic congressional delegation and party leaders, and released joint statements with that group and with the Michigan committee looking to craft a resolution of the controversy in that state. Democratic state party leaders in both Florida and Michigan have announced that new votes are not logistically possible.


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  1. Lady in MN

    Hillary supprters. The Obamabots can have CNN and MSNBC to themselves, get off these pages and congregate on FOX. There are actual stories there that these two "in the pocket" news organizations refuse to cover. This is the most unpatriotic coverage of an election I have ever witnessed.

    Shame on you CNN

    April 4, 2008 06:41 pm at 6:41 pm |
  2. Well, OK then...

    Wait, I'm confused. Let me see if I have this straight.

    1. The DNC created rules for when primaries could be run.
    2. Michigan and Florida were involved in that rules-making process.
    3. Then they moved their primaries up, in violation of the rules.
    4. In breaking the rules, they got punished, by the DNC voiding their votes.
    5. They then tried to maneuver so they could get their votes counted.
    6. The DNC said, "No, you broke the rules. Suck it up."
    7. The states now want their money back.
    8. The DNC is giving them their money back (Michigan will get some soon, too)

    Man, I wish life in general was like that. I break the rules and get a speeding ticket. I whine that "it isn't fair." I get my money back.

    April 4, 2008 06:42 pm at 6:42 pm |
  3. Val

    If the voters in MI and FL wanted to cry foul , they should have done so when this decision was made by their STATE. TOO LATE , they knew when they voted that their votes WOULD NOT be counted many people did not vote as a result of this situation. Let's move past this nonsense about FL and MI voters being disenfranchised. Enough already!! FL, MI and the DNC needs to come together to figure out how the delegates can be seated at the convention. End of story. No one is trying to deny FL and MI their votes.

    April 4, 2008 06:42 pm at 6:42 pm |
  4. bob in LA

    Good for them! Politicains only understand the financial results of their actions. I hope this is a wake up call to the brain trust at the DNC.
    I hope more people follow suit.

    April 4, 2008 06:43 pm at 6:43 pm |
  5. Mary

    Stop blaming Obama for everything. Their vote will count in the election.
    Obama played by the rules. Hillary cheated. Informed Fla. voters did not vote because they were told it would not count. Obama is not responsible for your ignorance. Those who voted anyway knew it would not count. Now they are crying (again) Grow up! Impeach your state politicians who
    put you in this bind. And don't forget to blame Hillary who cheated. Mr Obama cannot change anything. He is not the boss of the party.
    Geez! Next you will be blaming him for the weather.

    April 4, 2008 06:50 pm at 6:50 pm |
  6. Not sleeping at the switch

    By the time I finish typeing this sentence Obama will have raised that RIGHT BACK for us so don't worry.

    Seriously///////no REALLY!!

    April 4, 2008 06:50 pm at 6:50 pm |
  7. Pato

    Howard Dean and all those who think that a new vote in Florida and Michigan is not possible should be held responsible if the Democrats fail to win the presidential election.
    The republicans have been suspiciously silent about the Obama issue. Wait until the battlefront is between the Democrats and the republicans, and you will see things that will leave the anti Kerry swift boat campaign in the dust. The attack will be brutal, no mercy, and since the republicans do not expect many votes from the black community, they will not be that afraid to hurt their feelings.
    Obama is not electable... and it is not me that said this first.

    April 4, 2008 06:51 pm at 6:51 pm |
  8. Gawania

    The return of the donations was a gesture by the DNC to the Clinton power house politics. It said we will not be bullied by your $$$ in fact take them back. THANKS BUT NO THANKS SINCE THEY WROTE TO THE DNC LEADER AND THREATENED THE LOSS OF CONTRIBUTIONS.

    April 4, 2008 06:51 pm at 6:51 pm |
  9. Susie

    Where was all this anger about disenfranchised voters when the DNC and every single Democratic candidate agreed not to seat the Florida and Michigan delegates in the first place?

    I was a Hillary supporter until I saw that she will say and do anything to win. Including a complete reversal on her stances and downright blatant lying.

    April 4, 2008 06:53 pm at 6:53 pm |
  10. Nunya

    1. The Democratic party is a private organization. As such, it has complete freedom in determining conducting its affairs, including how it selects its nominee. This means that they don't *have* to conduct one single primary or let any voter vote on the nominee. So those of you crying 'basic right to vote' or some such nonsense, learn the laws before you keep spouting off. If they want to tell Florida and Michigan (or any other state) to bug off, it is completely within their rights, and has absolutely nothing to do with whether the United States is a democracy or not. There would be no fundamental right of anything denied by choosing to not seat the two delegations.

    2. Any of you who read #1 above and starting fuming about how stupid they would be to make people in some states mad by telling them to bug off, to some extent you're right. They can choose to conduct their nomination process however they want. But just because they could choose to conduct a lottery to let a randomly selected six-year-old choose their presidential candidate doesn't mean it's a good idea.

    3. The DNC set rules governing the selection process. The rules were not made in a vacuum – Florida and Michigan representatives were included along with everyone else in the process of setting those rules.

    4. Florida and Michigan have made a power play, expecting that they would be considered too vital for the national party to risk making them mad. In all likelihood, they will be successful in this power play, inasmuch as getting their delegates into the convention, as well as having had early influence on the selection of the candidate.

    5. As the situation has developed, the party now finds itself in a situation where whatever they do, there will be many unhappy people. They can refuse to seat the delegates and make Hillary supporters and some people in Florida and Michigan unhappy. Or they can seat the donors and make the people who believe in following rules and some people in other states who didn't get to do their own do-overs unhappy.

    At root at this point, it's not about right and wrong. It's about politics and power.

    April 4, 2008 06:56 pm at 6:56 pm |
  11. Michael

    Ok Stop already people!

    This is rediculous, neither Clinton nor Obama had anything to do with the DNC telling MI and FL what would happen if they held ther contests in defiance of party rules.

    Clinton nor Obama Had anything to do with these states willfully and wantonly ignore these rules.

    But you, the people of MI and FL and those around the country who say you will vote GOP rather than the Dem, that is not your "Favorite".

    Ever heard the saying" Cutting off your nose, to spite your face"

    Anyone, either Clinton or Obama suppoorters who say, and worse follow through on that threat are the real Judas'!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Obama '08

    By the way, If Sen. Clinton somehow wins the nomination, she is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy better choice than John McBus.. I mean McCain

    April 4, 2008 06:57 pm at 6:57 pm |
  12. Mary

    Everyone better be concerned about Florida and Michigan not getting their votes to count. You talk about not breaking a rule that would not allow their votes to count, think about this rule not letting two of our states votes. I believe that rule would over ride any other rule that was made by the DNC, Howard Dean or anyone in this country.

    Cafferty you make me sick. Obama, Obama, Obama you have a one track mind that is distrubing. You should try a little harder to not show your bias so much. Many of us are in in love with the Hillary Clinton's Nomination 08. Take a deep breath and suck that in. HUH

    April 4, 2008 06:57 pm at 6:57 pm |
  13. Harvard Alumni for Obama

    I understand that HRC supporters want her to win, and the only way she has a chance is to seat the delegates as they are. But fair is fair. Her saying that Obama wants to disenfranchise voters is unfair and inaccurate.

    Is this whole situation a problem? Yes

    Should the delegates be seated? Yes, but not as they are.

    Is it Obama's fault? No, all he did was follow the rules.

    Is it the DNC's fault? No, they put the rules in place for EVERYONE to follow.

    Is HRC being disingenuous? Yes, she didn't seem to think it was a issue until she fell behind. How else can you explain that her earlier claim that "we know the votes won't count"?

    Who's fault is it? The governors of Michigan and Florida for thinking they are above the rules, and knowing full well what the consequences would be if the rules weren't followed.

    So stop hating on BO's campaign for wanting this dealt with fairly. Place blame where it should be... but then again look at who I'm asking to be rational....

    April 4, 2008 06:58 pm at 6:58 pm |
  14. skylark

    Cheaters never win and winners never cheat.
    Stop blaming Obama for everything Hillary and the states did. Fla voters knew their vote would not count. Most voters stayed home because they knew this. Why blame the DNC for Fla's mess ups and Hillarys cheating. They will all be able to vote in the election. Good grief people. Grow up!

    April 4, 2008 07:00 pm at 7:00 pm |
  15. An American in Canada

    IF, AND THAT IS A BIG IF;

    OBAMA WINS THE DEMOCRATIC NOMINATION HE WILL BE

    CONSIDERED BY A MAJORITY OF DEMOCTRATS AS AN

    ILLEGITIMATE NOMINEE AND HE WILL NOT BE ACCEPTED.

    BECAUSE HE IS ALSO RESPONSIBLE FOR NOT PERMITTING FLORIDA AND MICHIGAN TO HAVE A REDO.

    AND THESE TWO VERY IMPORTANT STATES WILL NOT HAVE THEIR VOTES COUNTED..

    BECAUSE HE WAS PART OF THE PROBLEM OF NOT HAVING THEIR VOTES COUNTED HE IS ILLEGITIMATE.

    THESE TWO STATES DEFINITELY WOULD HAVE GIVEN HILLARY R. CLINTON THE MAJORITY OF THEIR VOTES AND THAT IS WHY OBAMA'S CAMPAIGN FOUGHT LONG AND HARD TO DISENFRANCHISE THESE CITIZENS OF AMERICA.

    THIS WILL NEVER DO!

    April 4, 2008 07:02 pm at 7:02 pm |
  16. Brian

    Just more of the Clinton politics at play. If you don't do what we want, even if we cheat, then we will take out toys and go home.
    Just like this Popular vote stink that the Clintopns are trying to spread around. It won't work of course but it was in the kitchen sink so they will throw it too.
    The democratic primary is based on elected delegates. Period. The popular vote can can always be tweeked so that is where Clinton has ran (with her 109 mil and interest the donars are paying on her 5 mil loan) and so she is not screaming like a mad woman that the popular vote MUST count. LOLOLOL AFTER SHE disenfranchised FL now they MUST count because SHE needs them. What a freeking joke but I have faith in the system and feel that when it is all said and done there is no way that a KNOWN disliked LIAR will be allowed back into the WH to steal more WH gifts...they did make her bring them back after Bill left office but hey, she wants another shot at them!

    April 4, 2008 07:02 pm at 7:02 pm |
  17. Bubba

    I get the distinct feeling that the DNC is as crooked as a dogs hind leg...a surprise every single day ! ! !

    April 4, 2008 07:03 pm at 7:03 pm |
  18. Brian

    Get over it FL and MI.
    You guys did not play by the rules and now the price is a faulty election number that cannot count.
    Granted it's not the people's fault but your recourse is to not support those that did make that decision to begin with!
    Your vote will count in the general so it's not like it won't be heard and even if the DNC DID give Hilalry those delegates she will still not catch Obama and the popular vote did not help Gore and won't help her because it goes on the elected delegate count. Period., More cheathing may change that but it falls under your faulty election once again.

    April 4, 2008 07:05 pm at 7:05 pm |
  19. skylark

    Just a reminder, Florida cost us the last election too. They just can't seem to get it right.

    April 4, 2008 07:05 pm at 7:05 pm |
  20. Sgt David A Tartaglia, USAF Retired

    Again Obama's words are different than his actions. While he publically claims that he wants all votes to be counted and that he wii support any arrangement to accomdate Florida and Michigan as long as it is agreed to by the DNC, but when Michigan was on the verge of a do over paid for by private donations the only hold out was Obama.
    The DNC said the plan fit into it's criteria for a do over and Hillary agreed to it but Obama held off making a decision until it fell apart and the voters were disenfranchised by Obama's refusal to do as he
    stated he would. Let's face it Obama does not want florida or Michigan voters to coiunt since they most likely will vote for Hillary again in do overs. In Florida with both their names on the ballots, and Obama being the only one to run ads against the rules, Hillary still won by a good margin. The Florida vote should stand as is since Obama's name was on the ballot and he lost because voters just did not want him.

    April 4, 2008 07:06 pm at 7:06 pm |
  21. SUE, Michigan

    Tex,
    Obama left his name on the ballot in Florida, so I guess he "cheated" too. He also ran ads there, which was against the idiotic rules, too. So who is the bigger cheater, and does it matter?
    Well, it matters to me, who voted in a legal election in Michigan. The DNC does not make laws, and CANNOT disenfranchise us, legally. We may have to sue, but we will be counted.

    April 4, 2008 07:08 pm at 7:08 pm |
  22. Gender Bias

    I have given to the DNC in the past, but the DNC asked me to contribute this year and I refused because of the mess the DNC has made of Florida and Michigan. Seat those delegates! The voters have spoken. The only fair and democratic thing to do is to seat the delegates consistent with the votes cast in Florida and Michigan. If delegates are seated in any way that is not wholly consistent with the votes in those two states, then the voters are being disenfranchised because their voices (and votes) are being ignored. This is America- votes should matter and votes should decide delegates. No money for the DNC until the Florida and Michigan delegates are seated in accordance with the votes cast on their respective primary days. Shame on the DNC and the Obama camp for disenfranchising American voters.

    April 4, 2008 07:09 pm at 7:09 pm |
  23. Ernesto TX

    Good for them. What a distraction. I am glad for the money they made, but they sure are sneaky. GO OBAMA. 08

    April 4, 2008 07:10 pm at 7:10 pm |
  24. Josh from FL

    Everyone keeps talking about their right to vote, the DNC is a private corperation. They do not have the "right" to vote for the DNC. The DNC has the right to do whatever they please within the realm of the law and do not have to offer the ability to vote to anyone.

    I live in Tampa and am a democrat and although i am upset about having no say i realize that it is not the DNC or either canidate that nullified my vote. It was our state legislation, they are the real enemy.

    I do not think we deserve a vote!

    April 4, 2008 07:11 pm at 7:11 pm |
  25. M.S. Indiana

    Wh yis this Obama's fault ?? the leaders of MI and FL are at fault, they could not come up with any thing, MI leaders flat out gave up.
    Obama have always said he will stand behind DNC ruling... So yell at FL and MI for not being able to step up to the plate.
    Unlike HC who thinks she is to special to follow rules, even to she agreed to them before the campaigning started... Now that she is loosing they need to be counted....

    btw. finding a nominee is not a right by voting, could be done in different ways....
    The general election on the other hand is a right.

    April 4, 2008 07:12 pm at 7:12 pm |
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