April 4th, 2008
02:05 PM ET
10 years ago

Michigan Dems rule out new vote

Michigan voters participated in the states primary on January 15.

Michigan voters participated in the states primary on January 15.

(CNN) - Michigan Democrats will not to go to the polls again to choose a presidential nominee, even though the national party has refused to recognize the results of their vote in January, the party announced Friday.

"We have concluded that it is not practical to conduct such a primary or caucus," the state party's executive committee said in a written statement. But they added they will continue to work with the Democratic National Committee and elected officials to ensure that the state is represented at the party convention in Denver this August.

Michigan Democrats held their primary earlier than national party rules allowed. The Democratic Party responded by refusing to seat Michigan’s delegates at the convention.

Many Democratic candidates, including Sen. Barack Obama, removed their names from the Michigan ballot after the DNC’s decision, leaving Sen. Hillary Clinton as the only major contender in the state.

Clinton got 55 percent, while 40 percent of the state's voters opted for "uncommitted.”

Clinton said Friday the party had to find a way to avoid “disenfranchising” 600,000 Michigan voters. “Those votes have been cast…. So the Democratic party is going to have to come to grips with whether or not we want to be like the Republicans and disenfranchise people or whether we will stay true to the voting-rights record of this party.”

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soundoff (358 Responses)
  1. we wanh hillary, not mccain...screw him.

    Go screw off... even a dummy knows Hillary is the obvious choice.
    All the way to the WHITE HOUSE.

    Hillary and Nader for America's future.

    April 4, 2008 02:42 pm at 2:42 pm |
  2. Mary Gray

    O.K., everyone, here's something I think we can all agree on.

    This is a totally no-win situation for ALL of the voters in both Mich. and Fla. The ones that voted, just in case their votes did count, AND the ones that stayed home, thinking that if they voted, their votes wouldn't.
    There is no way now, even with an appropriation of delegates, the voters will not be disenfranchised, because their voices WILL NOT BE HEARD. NO ONE is ever going to know how a TRUE vote in those states would have played out. Dividing the delegates, even straight down the middle 50-50, might be fair to the candidates BUT IT IS NOT FAIR TO THE VOTERS-which is what this should all be about!!!

    So without re-votes, the voters are left out of the process.


    April 4, 2008 02:42 pm at 2:42 pm |
  3. Jason Menz, CA

    Just so I understand correctly J. Spiekerman: Even though the state willfully violated the rules of the DNC, you believe their delegates should be seated at the convention. (No, I am not an Obama supporter nor a democrat for that matter). Personally I sit back in amusement and watch the follies unfold.

    April 4, 2008 02:42 pm at 2:42 pm |
  4. Eddie G

    Finally someone is taking responsibility for making a mistake. Political leaders made a mistake by moving the primary date ahead, the DNC made it clear that delegates from Michigan would not count, and they aren't going to....good!

    April 4, 2008 02:43 pm at 2:43 pm |
  5. Sandra, IL

    The continued dialogue on this non-issue is simply amazing. What about the people who didn't vote? And if Hillary doesn't get the nomination you stay home and don't vote – a vote not cast is a vote for the other party.

    Isn't it time to stop the Clinton and Bush dynasty's and get a fresh new start?

    Obama 08 & 12

    April 4, 2008 02:43 pm at 2:43 pm |
  6. we wanh hillary, not mccain...screw him.

    Hell no. We must fight. Fight we must!

    Hillary and Nader... all the way to th White house.

    April 4, 2008 02:43 pm at 2:43 pm |
  7. South Beach

    The Michigan Democrats who made this decision - I presume they are State Party democrats and elected Congressional and State Representatives, should be voted out of office. If the people went out and voted, their votes have to count. The idiots who voted to move up the primary and are now too cheap to pay for a new one need to pay the price anyway. As many as them that are up for re-election in November should be replaced by whatever Republican is running against them in November.

    Clinton did hot campaign in Florida, to answer somebody's question. Obama ran ads in Florida but Clinton did not. Clinton did come down to thank Florida for voting for her. We saw enough of both candidates in the endless debates and TV appearances to make a decision without them coming down here.

    April 4, 2008 02:44 pm at 2:44 pm |
  8. Concerned Canadian

    Well Michigan finally got fed up no thanks to Obama. This is more ammo for the GOP to use versus Barack if he's the Democratic nominee for President.

    Michigan is all but guaranteed to go to the Republicans in November.
    Thank you Mr. Uniter...and 'Yes We Can'...and Mister 'Change'....Barack ...every dog wil have their day and your day is coming in the next few months.

    April 4, 2008 02:44 pm at 2:44 pm |
  9. Michael MO

    Until the issue of Michigan and Florida is resolved, this campaign is alive and well, regardless of outcome. The gaul of Dean and the DNC to disenfranchise millions in these 2 States! A slap on the wrists over a primary calendar debate, and two of the most influencial States in the Union are effectively taken out of the equation? This should be deemed not only illegal and unconstitutional, but grounds for Dean's immediate dismissal. The argument that candidates knew the situation going into primary season is irrelevant – THIS IS NOT ABOUT THE CANDIDATES. IT IS ABOUT MUTING THE VOICES AND RIGHTS OF AMERICAN VOTERS IN THESE TWO STATES! Until their voices are counted, the democratic candidate race is effectively null and void. I am independent, but Hillary Clinton is spot-on with the her intention to pursue this to Colorado if necessary until the issue of Michigan and Florida is resolved. Apparently the only candidate willing to support the idea.

    April 4, 2008 02:44 pm at 2:44 pm |
  10. Mike

    Actually, for those folks who criticize Obama for "blocking" a revote.... it was actually Clinton that blocked it.

    Obama was willing for a revote, but with the expectation that all voters revote. Hillary's camp refused to back off of the demand that anyone who voted in the Republican primary would be barred from participating in the revote. Many Obama voters had chosen the Republican ballot because their candidate's name wasn't on the Democratic ballot, and the Republican primary counted for something whereas the Democratic primary was not supposed to count. By insisting that these folks should not be allowed to participate in the revote, that simply stacked the deck unfairly for Clinton. Clinton's refusal to back off of this demand was why the revote in Michigan went down. So don't blame Obama.

    April 4, 2008 02:44 pm at 2:44 pm |
  11. Deana

    That's it! The party's over. Just remember..VOTE DEMOCRAT in November.

    April 4, 2008 02:45 pm at 2:45 pm |
  12. Ryan Indy

    hillary supporters are starting to make me sick...they are so blind to reality from listening to her that they have lost all hope. if you think hillary will win the general election, pick up a newspaper and realize that more than half of democrats can't stand her and republicans hate her...i'm independent and don't like her either (most of us don't). she is sleazy for keeping her name on the ballot and campaigning in florida (i was down there when she did) and if obama had done this it would have been the worst thing in the world....but he didn't so don't try to blaim him for YOUR candidates sleaziness. HILLARY SUPPORTERS GET REAL!

    April 4, 2008 02:45 pm at 2:45 pm |
  13. Dan in CO

    ""My question is this……..What about all of those people who did not go out to vote because they were told that their votes would not count because these two places broke the rules??? Am I missing something here?""

    Nope you did not missing a thing.

    In fact, you nailed the very heart of the matter.

    April 4, 2008 02:45 pm at 2:45 pm |
  14. Sharon Minnesota

    The Michigan delegates should throw their support to Clinton since she was the only one with the forsight to put her name on the ballot. If she hadn't, the people of Michigan would have had no voice at all.

    Will the delegates be forced to giving up their right to choose the nominee they support by the DNC? This would be totally un-American.

    No fifty – fifty split!!!

    April 4, 2008 02:45 pm at 2:45 pm |
  15. ross

    April 4th, 2008 12:18 pm ET

    Indiana's lates Primary Polls (April 2)

    Obama Clinton
    RCP Average 45.5 42.7 Obama +2.8
    Gallup 49 46 Obama +3.0
    Rasmussen 46 43 Obama +3.0
    CBS/NY Times 46 43 Obama+3.0
    NBC/WSJ 45 45 Tie
    Pew Research 49 39 Obama +10.0
    FOX News 38 40 Clinton +2.0

    Based on Real Clear Politics

    Obama 08!

    April 4, 2008 02:45 pm at 2:45 pm |
  16. Glenn, Cary, NC

    Senator Obama (and others) removed their names from the Michigan ballot only because they wanted to pander to the crybabies in Iowa and New Hampshire who have distorted American politics for far too long. Only Senator Clinton had the good sense (and good judgement) to give Michigan voters a chance to voice their preference. Senator Clinton should get 55% of the delegates and the other 45% should not be seated (you know, to punish Michigan for breaking the rules). That should make both campaigns happy.

    April 4, 2008 02:45 pm at 2:45 pm |
  17. MP


    Everyone needs to take a step back. To both supporters. You would really give this country four more years of Bush just to spite the other canidate? Thats great. I love this war in Iraq, I love these gas prices, I love being dead last in the world when it comes to education. I love losing my house through no fault of my own and have McCain tell t me to deal with it. I love the tax breaks the richest people in country get. I love seeing all our jobs go to India. I love that people in New Orleans still don't have homes. Please vote for McCain and I will love you too.



    April 4, 2008 02:45 pm at 2:45 pm |
  18. Anonymous

    ignorant people rules,rules,rules,rules, if adults are behaving like this I wonder what are they teaching their kids, its ok to break the rules. Get real and stop behaving worst than children do and respect the law of the land RULES!!!!!

    From Canada

    April 4, 2008 02:46 pm at 2:46 pm |
  19. Kevin

    If Michigan revoted now, Obama would probably win there so Clinton should be happy about this

    April 4, 2008 02:46 pm at 2:46 pm |
  20. White folks please coming from a white man

    We as a people haven't overcome the term stupid. Why should Michigan recount? Obama and Edwards name were taken off, now all of a sudden it's a big issue for Hillary and her supporters. This goes to show that Obama is the man to be our next President, and we all seen how the Clinton's like to break rules for their advantage.

    Go Obama '08 & '12

    April 4, 2008 02:46 pm at 2:46 pm |
  21. Alex k

    ha ha ha ha ha ha. The Democrats are going to lose this election so badly. As an Independent you had me with Clinton as your candidate, but now that it's Obama and after the way all the Obama supporters have conducted themselves (as well as the true Obama that's starting to emerge) the Democrats have NO CHANCE of getting my vote or that of any other moderate Democrat or Independent. I wonder if Obama can take any states other than CA, IL and NY in the GE? In fact, maybe CA will go red this year, we did after all elect Arnold.

    April 4, 2008 02:47 pm at 2:47 pm |
  22. Public eye

    Voters in Michigan were NOT disenfranchised. They were lied to. By Michigan and Florida moving their dates up, they were disqualified, but yet many uninformed people decided to go and vote anyway. What about the word disqualify don't you people understand? If you jump the gun in a race, your finish doesn't count. Stop hoping these votes are going to count, because they never will, ever. And if Obama has the power to manipulate votes as you say, then why couldn't he turn the tables on the outcome in California? Stop making excuses and focus on the issues.

    April 4, 2008 02:47 pm at 2:47 pm |
  23. Rick, PA

    I really find it odd that so many people are so blind to Hillary that they blame Obama for MI/FL. But, I guess they, like her, do not care if someone breaks the rules, and if the rules are broken there should be no consequences. I guess that means that if I want to break into any one of your houses you would all forgive me since rules don't matter and there should be no punnishment! If you want to talk about disenfranchisement, let's talk about Hillary now asking PLEDGED delegates to switch to her from Obama. What about the people that voted for those pledges delegates – again, I guess for her that does not matter. You really can't have it both ways. The country would really be an ugly place without rules, but if that is what you all are advocating, please send me your addresses!

    April 4, 2008 02:47 pm at 2:47 pm |
  24. Hubert Schmitter

    You Democrats DO NOT KEEP YOUR WORD!!!!!!

    You were told that the Michigan and Florida votes would not count. So here you are trying to count them.

    What about the voters that did not vote because THEY BELIEVED YOU and thought their vote WOULD NOT COUNT????


    April 4, 2008 02:47 pm at 2:47 pm |
  25. John, Las Vegas, NV

    This should be easy to sort out. According to Queen Hillary, states that vote in primaries count if they voted for her. States that voted against her are not important and do not matter. States that hold caucuses disenfranchise voters and should not count and/or do not matter unless she won that state. States that have a combination of voting and caucuses such as Texas only count for the popular vote but do not count for delegates. States such as Michigan and Florida which broke party rules did not matter when she thought she would have it wrapped up by Super Tuesday, but now they are the shining beacon of freedom and democracy and must be counted. Now, even though all of these rules have been in place for years, except for the Michigan and Florida fiasco rulings by the DNC, it seems the simplest thing is to go along with all of Queen Hillary's edicts, and then she is ahead of Obama by a landslide now.

    April 4, 2008 02:47 pm at 2:47 pm |
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