Comments on: Michigan Dems rule out new vote http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/04/michigan-dems-rule-out-new-vote/ All politics, all the time Mon, 21 Dec 2009 22:07:36 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Michael http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/04/michigan-dems-rule-out-new-vote/#comment-838241 Michael Fri, 04 Apr 2008 19:20:57 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=6253#comment-838241 Obama is to blame because he is the one who refused to the terms of a re-vote in Michigan. Obama is to blame because he is the one who refused to the terms of a re-vote in Michigan.

]]> By: Helen, NY http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/04/michigan-dems-rule-out-new-vote/#comment-838240 Helen, NY Fri, 04 Apr 2008 19:20:53 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=6253#comment-838240 This is the party of liberals. Anything goes... Imagine Howard Dean is managing this party... Scream it Dean... You take all the states including Michigan in the coming General Election. Have a life... This is the party of liberals. Anything goes... Imagine Howard Dean is managing this party... Scream it Dean... You take all the states including Michigan in the coming General Election. Have a life...

]]> By: Michael http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/04/michigan-dems-rule-out-new-vote/#comment-838233 Michael Fri, 04 Apr 2008 19:20:37 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=6253#comment-838233 Jerry in Boston: I have a response for you. IF the situations were reversed, and Obama was NOT the leading Candidate, this race would have been long since over, as a matter of fact Clinton supporters would have been calling for him to quit the race for the "Good of the party" Jerry in Boston: I have a response for you. IF the situations were reversed, and Obama was NOT the leading Candidate, this race would have been long since over, as a matter of fact Clinton supporters would have been calling for him to quit the race for the "Good of the party"

]]> By: Kel http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/04/michigan-dems-rule-out-new-vote/#comment-838232 Kel Fri, 04 Apr 2008 19:20:31 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=6253#comment-838232 Wow, every hillary supporter that replies here has been doing the same thing. Quoting Sen. Clinton saying that these voters were "disenfranchised due to Obama". Do you even know what that word means? Seriously, every candidate knew these votes weren't going to count going into these primaries, and the only reason it's even up for discussion is because Clinton is losing, and as usual, she whines about it. Let's get past this junk and move on, there are better things to focus on, such as the issues at hand, or perhaps choosing the correct candidate. Seriously though, Obama 08 Wow, every hillary supporter that replies here has been doing the same thing. Quoting Sen. Clinton saying that these voters were "disenfranchised due to Obama". Do you even know what that word means?

Seriously, every candidate knew these votes weren't going to count going into these primaries, and the only reason it's even up for discussion is because Clinton is losing, and as usual, she whines about it. Let's get past this junk and move on, there are better things to focus on, such as the issues at hand, or perhaps choosing the correct candidate.

Seriously though, Obama 08

]]> By: vic nashville,Tn http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/04/michigan-dems-rule-out-new-vote/#comment-838230 vic nashville,Tn Fri, 04 Apr 2008 19:20:15 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=6253#comment-838230 I think Democratic party over confident they can win in November . Sorry if Hillary is not a nominee my vote for McCain I think Democratic party over confident they can win in November . Sorry if Hillary is not a nominee my vote for McCain

]]> By: BevC http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/04/michigan-dems-rule-out-new-vote/#comment-838229 BevC Fri, 04 Apr 2008 19:20:10 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=6253#comment-838229 Actually, I think the DNC is to blame for Florida & Michigan in that they allowed these two states to break the rules in the first place. If you are leading and setting the rules, then make sure those following are abiding by the rules in the first place - no exceptions. Obviously there is a loop-hole that needs closed. What were these states thinking in making the decision to go against party rules, knowing the consequences? I haven't heard anyone asking these questions...just blaming the candidates. Did the DNC get approval from the candidates for FL & MI to move their primaries and not have the votes count? I think the media should focus on the nit-wits that bucked party rules; and in turn, the voters should vote the responsible parties out of office. This is suppose to a "democratic society" - every vote should count and no one should be in a position to make decisions regarding the voting rights of an American citizen. Actually, I think the DNC is to blame for Florida & Michigan in that they allowed these two states to break the rules in the first place. If you are leading and setting the rules, then make sure those following are abiding by the rules in the first place – no exceptions. Obviously there is a loop-hole that needs closed. What were these states thinking in making the decision to go against party rules, knowing the consequences? I haven't heard anyone asking these questions...just blaming the candidates. Did the DNC get approval from the candidates for FL & MI to move their primaries and not have the votes count? I think the media should focus on the nit-wits that bucked party rules; and in turn, the voters should vote the responsible parties out of office. This is suppose to a "democratic society" – every vote should count and no one should be in a position to make decisions regarding the voting rights of an American citizen.

]]> By: Isaac http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/04/michigan-dems-rule-out-new-vote/#comment-838227 Isaac Fri, 04 Apr 2008 19:19:51 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=6253#comment-838227 Just remember, people: The way delegates are apportioned in the democratic primary, counting Florida and Michigan wouldn't do Hillary a bit of good. She would STILL be too far behind. However, the votes that Obama would receive from those two states would be enough to put him over the top. So please, Clintonites, PLEASE stop blaming Obama for not allowing their votes to count. It would only in HIS interest to allow them to count. Rules are rules. Florida and Michigan broke the rules. They shouldn't be rewarded. Just remember, people:

The way delegates are apportioned in the democratic primary, counting Florida and Michigan wouldn't do Hillary a bit of good. She would STILL be too far behind. However, the votes that Obama would receive from those two states would be enough to put him over the top.

So please, Clintonites, PLEASE stop blaming Obama for not allowing their votes to count. It would only in HIS interest to allow them to count.

Rules are rules. Florida and Michigan broke the rules. They shouldn't be rewarded.

]]> By: Roger B from Portland, OR http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/04/michigan-dems-rule-out-new-vote/#comment-838223 Roger B from Portland, OR Fri, 04 Apr 2008 19:19:15 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=6253#comment-838223 “Those votes have been cast…. So the Democratic party is going to have to come to grips with whether or not we want to be like the Republicans and disenfranchise people or whether we will stay true to the voting-rights record of this party.” The truth comes out. She never wanted a revote! Of course, why would she. She doesn't want Michigan represented, she just wants the portion that voted for her! “Those votes have been cast…. So the Democratic party is going to have to come to grips with whether or not we want to be like the Republicans and disenfranchise people or whether we will stay true to the voting-rights record of this party.”

The truth comes out. She never wanted a revote! Of course, why would she. She doesn't want Michigan represented, she just wants the portion that voted for her!

]]> By: Adam http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/04/michigan-dems-rule-out-new-vote/#comment-838215 Adam Fri, 04 Apr 2008 19:18:40 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=6253#comment-838215 I would love for them to be counted, but it simply isn't going to happen. The state parties broke the rules and they knew it. As Public eye said, if you jump the gun in a race it doesn't matter if you finish 1st, you don't count. I really stinks for the people who did turn out to vote, but their votes were outside of party rules. What makes this even more amazing is that Senator Clinton AGREED to these rules and when the state parties moved their primaries/caucuses up she was totally ok that they were stripped of their delegates. Of course at the time she was expected to win things handily. Now that it is becoming a fight she wants to take that decision back by making this an emotional thing: "They are being disenfranchise." "You should be heard!" When really it's about her needed every delegate to stay alive. I would love for them to be counted, but it simply isn't going to happen. The state parties broke the rules and they knew it. As Public eye said, if you jump the gun in a race it doesn't matter if you finish 1st, you don't count. I really stinks for the people who did turn out to vote, but their votes were outside of party rules.

What makes this even more amazing is that Senator Clinton AGREED to these rules and when the state parties moved their primaries/caucuses up she was totally ok that they were stripped of their delegates. Of course at the time she was expected to win things handily. Now that it is becoming a fight she wants to take that decision back by making this an emotional thing: "They are being disenfranchise." "You should be heard!" When really it's about her needed every delegate to stay alive.

]]> By: Xavier of Saint Louis, MO http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/04/michigan-dems-rule-out-new-vote/#comment-838210 Xavier of Saint Louis, MO Fri, 04 Apr 2008 19:18:06 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=6253#comment-838210 Good! And neither should Florida be allowed to veto! The Obama and Clinton Campaigns agreed to follow the rules of the DNC before this race started and they should be made to stick to the rules. The Clintons have become so desperate that they are willing to break the rules they agreed to. . . .I don't think so! You don't change the rules of the game, once the game has started. Hillary do yourself, your supporters and the Democratic Party a favor; drop out now, while you at lease have some dignity left . . . a very small amount I might add. Good! And neither should Florida be allowed to veto! The Obama and Clinton Campaigns agreed to follow the rules of the DNC before this race started and they should be made to stick to the rules. The Clintons have become so desperate that they are willing to break the rules they agreed to. . . .I don't think so! You don't change the rules of the game, once the game has started. Hillary do yourself, your supporters and the Democratic Party a favor; drop out now, while you at lease have some dignity left . . . a very small amount I might add.

]]> By: B http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/04/michigan-dems-rule-out-new-vote/#comment-838208 B Fri, 04 Apr 2008 19:18:02 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=6253#comment-838208 HRC had this thing planned from the start: Act like she's going to go along with the DNC re: MI and FL. Then as soon as the results come in, all the sudden, she positions herself as the "Savior of the Voiceless" so as to look as if she's the champion of their cause. I ask this question: if she were truly committed to upholding the rules of the DNC, why then would she still put her name on ballots in each state, knowing the votes wouldn't count? The way that she has shape-shifted and moved the goal posts in her campaign is astounding. I also agree with other posters, that supporters from each camp need to tone it down a bit. To say you won't vote for the winning Dem candidate because that candidate is not yours, is simply ludicrous. BHO and HRC are 95% the same on the issues (the ones that MATTER)...come on folks...McCain??? No. HRC had this thing planned from the start: Act like she's going to go along with the DNC re: MI and FL. Then as soon as the results come in, all the sudden, she positions herself as the "Savior of the Voiceless" so as to look as if she's the champion of their cause. I ask this question: if she were truly committed to upholding the rules of the DNC, why then would she still put her name on ballots in each state, knowing the votes wouldn't count? The way that she has shape-shifted and moved the goal posts in her campaign is astounding.

I also agree with other posters, that supporters from each camp need to tone it down a bit. To say you won't vote for the winning Dem candidate because that candidate is not yours, is simply ludicrous. BHO and HRC are 95% the same on the issues (the ones that MATTER)...come on folks...McCain??? No.

]]> By: tim http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/04/michigan-dems-rule-out-new-vote/#comment-838207 tim Fri, 04 Apr 2008 19:17:59 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=6253#comment-838207 Chris 2 writes: We can now stop talking about this"?? Why? The reasoning is pretty obvious: Since the voters expressed a clear preference for her on the first try, they might vote for her again in a re-vote. Therefore they cannot be trusted. Therefore we can't allow a re-vote, right? I don't think that's something we can stop talking about Wow, the things people say on here. The voters expressed a clear preference?? How do you figure, she was the only one on the ballot and only ended up with 55% of the vote, even if Obama had been on the ballot that would not be a "clear preference". Chris 2 writes:
We can now stop talking about this"?? Why?

The reasoning is pretty obvious: Since the voters expressed a clear preference for her on the first try, they might vote for her again in a re-vote. Therefore they cannot be trusted. Therefore we can't allow a re-vote, right?

I don't think that's something we can stop talking about

Wow, the things people say on here. The voters expressed a clear preference?? How do you figure, she was the only one on the ballot and only ended up with 55% of the vote, even if Obama had been on the ballot that would not be a "clear preference".

]]> By: 3 daughters who live in Michigan http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/04/michigan-dems-rule-out-new-vote/#comment-838206 3 daughters who live in Michigan Fri, 04 Apr 2008 19:17:56 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=6253#comment-838206 I keep reading comments about "you people in michigan decided". Well, the people of Michigan did NOT decide, the DNC did it for them. My daugters voted because it was unfathomable to them (and me) that their votes would be meaningless. Surely someone, somewhere would find a way for the millions iof votes in Michigan and Florida to count. This is DEMOCRACY?? Oh please! 50/50 is meaningless also. You might as well give each candidate ONE and get it over with. I keep reading comments about "you people in michigan decided". Well, the people of Michigan did NOT decide, the DNC did it for them. My daugters voted because it was unfathomable to them (and me) that their votes would be meaningless. Surely someone, somewhere would find a way for the millions iof votes in Michigan and Florida to count. This is DEMOCRACY?? Oh please! 50/50 is meaningless also. You might as well give each candidate ONE and get it over with.

]]> By: julie http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/04/michigan-dems-rule-out-new-vote/#comment-838202 julie Fri, 04 Apr 2008 19:17:35 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=6253#comment-838202 Yes! This democrate would take McCain over Obama, I'm pro America! Yes! This democrate would take McCain over Obama, I'm pro America!

]]> By: Jackie http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/04/michigan-dems-rule-out-new-vote/#comment-838200 Jackie Fri, 04 Apr 2008 19:17:32 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=6253#comment-838200 Hey Stuart Zechman.... The war will be on everyone else's heads when you throw a fit and choose not to vote against it. That is stupid beyond words. Hey Stuart Zechman....

The war will be on everyone else's heads when you throw a fit and choose not to vote against it.

That is stupid beyond words.

]]> By: Dudley http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/04/michigan-dems-rule-out-new-vote/#comment-838199 Dudley Fri, 04 Apr 2008 19:17:27 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=6253#comment-838199 This shouldnt even have been voted on. Michigan and Florida voters should be very upset that their elected officials do not have the best interest at heart. Instead of complaining and blaming others for their mistakes, the democrat leaders from each state should have been rallying their state. Michigan has some BIG time issues and they have been given alot of air time to discuss them, but they havent. Florida has been given the gold ticket. The Republicans knowing and willfully decided that millions of Florida votes wouldnt count. Florida democrats should be knocking on every door, signing up voters and getting people excited and angry about their mistreatment, but they didnt. But the worst thing the Florida and Michigan democrat leaders have done is "make me sound like a Republican". Stop whining and start winning!!!!! This shouldnt even have been voted on. Michigan and Florida voters should be very upset that their elected officials do not have the best interest at heart. Instead of complaining and blaming others for their mistakes, the democrat leaders from each state should have been rallying their state. Michigan has some BIG time issues and they have been given alot of air time to discuss them, but they havent. Florida has been given the gold ticket. The Republicans knowing and willfully decided that millions of Florida votes wouldnt count. Florida democrats should be knocking on every door, signing up voters and getting people excited and angry about their mistreatment, but they didnt.

But the worst thing the Florida and Michigan democrat leaders have done is "make me sound like a Republican".

Stop whining and start winning!!!!!

]]> By: Damian http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/04/michigan-dems-rule-out-new-vote/#comment-838197 Damian Fri, 04 Apr 2008 19:17:17 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=6253#comment-838197 I can not believe this is still being discussed and Michigan does not want to hold a revote. Michigan and the DNC need to get together and come up with a good proposal to seat the delegates, and the 50/50 plan is not a fair plan. I can not believe this is still being discussed and Michigan does not want to hold a revote. Michigan and the DNC need to get together and come up with a good proposal to seat the delegates, and the 50/50 plan is not a fair plan.

]]> By: jfs Memhis, Tn http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/04/michigan-dems-rule-out-new-vote/#comment-838194 jfs Memhis, Tn Fri, 04 Apr 2008 19:17:00 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=6253#comment-838194 Okay Hillary people ... I was one during Super Tuesday and voted for her....Obama had NOTHING to do with the DNC RULES ....NOR....The STATE OF MICHIGAN'S RULES. Seems we have a lot of uninformed and immature folks responding to the posting. If you would step back and look at this objectively , Hillary through her desire to be the nominee has given you all false hopes. I am truely sorry......I am also sorry to advise you of the reality of this situation. STOP the bleeding and realize you are going to have to work together with the PARTY"S NOMINEE.....or vote for more of the Bush years...or stay home and pout rather than support Hillary's Party. She will support the Party no matter what. Let's end this silliness now. Obama will be the choice. I voted for Hillary and can deal with this .... get over it !!! Okay Hillary people ... I was one during Super Tuesday and voted for her....Obama had NOTHING to do with the DNC RULES ....NOR....The STATE OF MICHIGAN'S RULES. Seems we have a lot of uninformed and immature folks responding to the posting. If you would step back and look at this objectively , Hillary through her desire to be the nominee has given you all false hopes. I am truely sorry......I am also sorry to advise you of the reality of this situation. STOP the bleeding and realize you are going to have to work together with the PARTY"S NOMINEE.....or vote for more of the Bush years...or stay home and pout rather than support Hillary's Party. She will support the Party no matter what. Let's end this silliness now. Obama will be the choice. I voted for Hillary and can deal with this .... get over it !!!

]]> By: john http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/04/michigan-dems-rule-out-new-vote/#comment-838193 john Fri, 04 Apr 2008 19:16:55 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=6253#comment-838193 AND REMEMBER HARRY REED CALLING ILLEGALS UNDOCUMENTED AMERICANS. THIS IS THE DEM PARTY TODAY. AND REMEMBER HARRY REED CALLING ILLEGALS UNDOCUMENTED AMERICANS. THIS IS THE DEM PARTY TODAY.

]]> By: Report ALL the news! http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/04/michigan-dems-rule-out-new-vote/#comment-838191 Report ALL the news! Fri, 04 Apr 2008 19:16:50 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=6253#comment-838191 Where's the BREAKING NEWS coverage about an Obama aide saying he'll leave 80,000 troops in Iraq until 2010? Where's the BREAKING NEWS coverage about an Obama aide
saying he'll leave 80,000 troops in Iraq until 2010?

]]> By: dance http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/04/michigan-dems-rule-out-new-vote/#comment-838184 dance Fri, 04 Apr 2008 19:16:26 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=6253#comment-838184 NO 50-50 G HILLARY COULD GET HER DELEGETS NO 50-50 G HILLARY COULD GET HER DELEGETS

]]> By: Tara http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/04/michigan-dems-rule-out-new-vote/#comment-838175 Tara Fri, 04 Apr 2008 19:16:01 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=6253#comment-838175 Michigan broke the rules and that's neither candidates' fault. 50/50 split end of story! Michigan broke the rules and that's neither candidates' fault. 50/50 split end of story!

]]> By: Al http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/04/michigan-dems-rule-out-new-vote/#comment-838169 Al Fri, 04 Apr 2008 19:15:46 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=6253#comment-838169 The only fair thing to do would be to allow all the voters in Fl & MI to revote. Since both states aren't willing to pay for this, it's not gonna happen. Voters in those two states should be mad at their elected officials and nobody else. Neither candidate had anything to do with the date being moved up or the consequences of that move. The next time those officials are up for re-election, VOTE THEM OUT OF OFFICE!! And can you blame Obama for not wanting the votes to count as is? If you were up by 20 points in the 4th quarter of the SuperBowl, would you agree to just give 10 points to the other team? Of course not. You'd still probably win, but why risk it? Especially when the other team just scored and is driving on you again. And Hillary didn't care in the least that those votes wouldn't count until she started losing. Anyone who thinks otherwise is either kidding themselves, or just plain stupid. The only fair thing to do would be to allow all the voters in Fl & MI to revote. Since both states aren't willing to pay for this, it's not gonna happen. Voters in those two states should be mad at their elected officials and nobody else. Neither candidate had anything to do with the date being moved up or the consequences of that move. The next time those officials are up for re-election, VOTE THEM OUT OF OFFICE!!

And can you blame Obama for not wanting the votes to count as is? If you were up by 20 points in the 4th quarter of the SuperBowl, would you agree to just give 10 points to the other team? Of course not. You'd still probably win, but why risk it? Especially when the other team just scored and is driving on you again. And Hillary didn't care in the least that those votes wouldn't count until she started losing. Anyone who thinks otherwise is either kidding themselves, or just plain stupid.

]]> By: Emma http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/04/michigan-dems-rule-out-new-vote/#comment-838168 Emma Fri, 04 Apr 2008 19:15:43 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=6253#comment-838168 One decision down three decisions to go: 1. Florida 2. Superdelegates 3.Credential committee - seating members from Florida and Michigan One decision down three decisions to go:
1. Florida
2. Superdelegates
3.Credential committee – seating members from Florida and Michigan

]]> By: MovingOn http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/04/michigan-dems-rule-out-new-vote/#comment-838160 MovingOn Fri, 04 Apr 2008 19:15:05 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=6253#comment-838160 It's easy to pick out the Clinton supporters they whine and moan that FL and MI votes aren't counting because their dishonest leader knows she is fighting a losing game. Clinton agreed to the same rules as Obama when this started. She only wanted to change them after her coronation went bust. Obama said a re-vote would be fine if the didn't try to exclude all the people that voted Republican the first time around because that would favor Clinton since she was the only one on the ticket. Lastly, do the math, even if FL and MI counted she would still be behind in delegates and popular vote. Clinton lacks integrity and this spectacle just serves to illustrate that point. It's easy to pick out the Clinton supporters they whine and moan that FL and MI votes aren't counting because their dishonest leader knows she is fighting a losing game. Clinton agreed to the same rules as Obama when this started. She only wanted to change them after her coronation went bust. Obama said a re-vote would be fine if the didn't try to exclude all the people that voted Republican the first time around because that would favor Clinton since she was the only one on the ticket. Lastly, do the math, even if FL and MI counted she would still be behind in delegates and popular vote. Clinton lacks integrity and this spectacle just serves to illustrate that point.

]]> By: Neutral http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/04/michigan-dems-rule-out-new-vote/#comment-838158 Neutral Fri, 04 Apr 2008 19:14:58 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=6253#comment-838158 Obama withdrew his name from the Michigan ballot; like Hillary, he had the option to leave it there. Obama later on wanted his name reinstated in the ballot, but was too late to do so. Hillary did the right thing, she did not withdrew her name from the ballot, she STAND UP for the voters of Michigan in spite of the fact those votes might not earn her any delegates, it was the PRINCIPLE INVOLVED. Obama withdrew his name due to the FACT their might be NONE for him to gain. In Florida, all candidates had their name in the ballot, the ONLY RESTRICTION, they're NOT allowed to campaign in Florida, BUT they're allowed to go there to raise campaign FUNDS. Obama broke the PLEDGE he signed together with Hillary and Edwards, OBAMA RAN CAMPAIGN ADS IN FLORIDA IN TV NETWORKS LIKE CNN! When the result of the primary showed Obama lost against Hillary, OBAMA CALLED DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY IN FLORIDA A BEAUTY CONTEST; YET HE SPENT MONEY TO RAN TV ADS FOR HIS CAMPAIGN. What does it say Obama? Obama is an OPPORTUNIST! If he has something to gain, he will break EVERY RULES to get his objective. OBAMA IS WORSE THAN BUSH!!!! Obama withdrew his name from the Michigan ballot; like Hillary, he had the option to leave it there. Obama later on wanted his name reinstated in the ballot, but was too late to do so. Hillary did the right thing, she did not withdrew her name from the ballot, she STAND UP for the voters of Michigan in spite of the fact those votes might not earn her any delegates, it was the PRINCIPLE INVOLVED. Obama withdrew his name due to the FACT their might be NONE for him to gain.

In Florida, all candidates had their name in the ballot, the ONLY RESTRICTION, they're NOT allowed to campaign in Florida, BUT they're allowed to go there to raise campaign FUNDS. Obama broke the PLEDGE he signed together with Hillary and Edwards, OBAMA RAN CAMPAIGN ADS IN FLORIDA IN TV NETWORKS LIKE CNN!

When the result of the primary showed Obama lost against Hillary, OBAMA CALLED DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY IN FLORIDA A BEAUTY CONTEST; YET HE SPENT MONEY TO RAN TV ADS FOR HIS CAMPAIGN.

What does it say Obama? Obama is an OPPORTUNIST! If he has something to gain, he will break EVERY RULES to get his objective.

OBAMA IS WORSE THAN BUSH!!!!

]]> By: john http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/04/michigan-dems-rule-out-new-vote/#comment-838156 john Fri, 04 Apr 2008 19:14:56 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=6253#comment-838156 I USED TO BE A DEMOCRAT BUT NOW I WENT TO INDEPENDENT. THE PARTY HAS BECOME A HATE FILLED, RACIST SEXIST PARTY JUST LOOK AT THE KOS, HUFFINGTON POST, MOVEON, AIR SOCIALIST AMERICA.. THEY MAKE THE REPUBS LOOK LIKE THE DALI LAMA I USED TO BE A DEMOCRAT BUT NOW I WENT TO INDEPENDENT. THE PARTY HAS BECOME A HATE FILLED, RACIST SEXIST PARTY JUST LOOK AT THE KOS, HUFFINGTON POST, MOVEON, AIR SOCIALIST AMERICA.. THEY MAKE THE REPUBS LOOK LIKE THE DALI LAMA

]]> By: Lydia http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/04/michigan-dems-rule-out-new-vote/#comment-838154 Lydia Fri, 04 Apr 2008 19:14:50 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=6253#comment-838154 Why wasn't she concerned about the disenfranchisement of the voters in Florida and Michigan last year BEFORE this debacle was set in motion. I cannot believe the Democratic party could let this happen. A compromise should have been reached prior to stripping people of their votes. This is too crazy and Hillary's protestations at the 11th hour attests to her blind self-interest and will to win at all costs. She has no concern for the voters of Michigan or Florida. She cares about winning the White House. Period. End of story. Why wasn't she concerned about the disenfranchisement of the voters in Florida and Michigan last year BEFORE this debacle was set in motion. I cannot believe the Democratic party could let this happen. A compromise should have been reached prior to stripping people of their votes.

This is too crazy and Hillary's protestations at the 11th hour attests to her blind self-interest and will to win at all costs. She has no concern for the voters of Michigan or Florida. She cares about winning the White House. Period. End of story.

]]> By: Joseph Casagrabde http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/04/michigan-dems-rule-out-new-vote/#comment-838152 Joseph Casagrabde Fri, 04 Apr 2008 19:14:46 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=6253#comment-838152 The reponse from Hillary is typical Clinton Family. She wants to count these delegates just like she does the Florida delegates. That is the only way she came overcome Obama. Funny that when it was announced that both states would not count she agreed. She has no more concern about desenfranchisng the voters in either state. All she cares about is herself and will never care about anyone else including the American people. When she looked like a lock for the nomination, she never mentioned that not counting the results was 'disenfranching' the voters of those states. Typical double talk not only for her but for Billy Boy also. We do not need any more Clintons or Bushes in the White Houe. We need a breath of fresh air The reponse from Hillary is typical Clinton Family. She wants to count these delegates just like she does the Florida delegates. That is the only way she came overcome Obama. Funny that when it was announced that both states would not count she agreed. She has no more concern about desenfranchisng the voters in either state. All she cares about is herself and will never care about anyone else including the American people. When she looked like a lock for the nomination, she never mentioned that not counting the results was 'disenfranching' the voters of those states. Typical double talk not only for her but for Billy Boy also. We do not need any more Clintons or Bushes in the White Houe. We need a breath of fresh air

]]> By: Indiana for Hillary http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/04/michigan-dems-rule-out-new-vote/#comment-838151 Indiana for Hillary Fri, 04 Apr 2008 19:14:44 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=6253#comment-838151 Oh I'm sure it will eventually come out that Obama and his campaign had something to do with this. The good ol' boys will do anything when they are threatened by a very educated and experienced woman. This decision just solidified McCain the winner in November. Hillary's supporters wil NOT vote for BO. Oh I'm sure it will eventually come out that Obama and his campaign had something to do with this. The good ol' boys will do anything when they are threatened by a very educated and experienced woman. This decision just solidified McCain the winner in November. Hillary's supporters wil NOT vote for BO.

]]> By: Tracy http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/04/michigan-dems-rule-out-new-vote/#comment-838144 Tracy Fri, 04 Apr 2008 19:14:25 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=6253#comment-838144 Why doe's Obama get blamed for this? Hillary didn't follow the rules and it smacked her in the face, like everything else is around her. That's what she gets..................... Obama 2008 Why doe's Obama get blamed for this? Hillary didn't follow the rules and it smacked her in the face, like everything else is around her. That's what she gets.....................

Obama 2008

]]> By: fred http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/04/michigan-dems-rule-out-new-vote/#comment-838140 fred Fri, 04 Apr 2008 19:14:09 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=6253#comment-838140 No Nader....Hillary as an Independant!!! The DNC is saying screw the people!! No Nader....Hillary as an Independant!!!

The DNC is saying screw the people!!

]]> By: Caryle - http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/04/michigan-dems-rule-out-new-vote/#comment-838137 Caryle - Fri, 04 Apr 2008 19:13:53 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=6253#comment-838137 Way to go MI .... 50/50 split for PLEDGED delegates .... No super delegates from either state should be seated..... Former Edwards supporter..... Will vote for the best candidate in Nov.... Oregon has Yet to vote because "we played by the rules" Way to go MI .... 50/50 split for PLEDGED delegates .... No super delegates from either state should be seated.....
Former Edwards supporter..... Will vote for the best candidate in Nov....
Oregon has Yet to vote because "we played by the rules"

]]> By: JERRY http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/04/michigan-dems-rule-out-new-vote/#comment-838138 JERRY Fri, 04 Apr 2008 19:13:53 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=6253#comment-838138 EVEN BACK THEN HILLARY WAS CONIVING!!! SHE DISRESPECTED THE RULES OF THE DNC BY LEAVING HER NAME ON. SHE WAS LOOKING FOR HER ACE IN THE HOLD EVEN BACK THEN. THE RULES ARE THE RULES. EVEN BACK THEN HILLARY WAS CONIVING!!! SHE DISRESPECTED THE RULES OF THE DNC BY LEAVING HER NAME ON. SHE WAS LOOKING FOR HER ACE IN THE HOLD EVEN BACK THEN. THE RULES ARE THE RULES.

]]> By: Hispanics now for Obama http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/04/michigan-dems-rule-out-new-vote/#comment-838135 Hispanics now for Obama Fri, 04 Apr 2008 19:13:48 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=6253#comment-838135 Looks like the only ones holding Michigan back is Michigan! Looks like the only ones holding Michigan back is Michigan!

]]> By: Jeff in WI http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/04/michigan-dems-rule-out-new-vote/#comment-838133 Jeff in WI Fri, 04 Apr 2008 19:13:42 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=6253#comment-838133 ""or that of any other moderate Democrat or Independent"" boy are you in for a surprise... ""or that of any other moderate Democrat or Independent""

boy are you in for a surprise...

]]> By: kathleen http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/04/michigan-dems-rule-out-new-vote/#comment-838132 kathleen Fri, 04 Apr 2008 19:13:41 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=6253#comment-838132 Thank you Michigan. Brings a little dignity to the Dem. Party. But since "the rules were all botched up", I think they should be seated 50-50- because you give Hillary an inch and she will take 10 miles. And , really how many more would have shown up specifically for Obama, my man. Fla. should bring dignity to the party by doing the same thing. And those that blame Obama are all wrong and you know it. Hillary, put you up to believing a lie. Obama 2008 Thank you Michigan. Brings a little dignity to the Dem. Party.
But since "the rules were all botched up", I think they should be
seated 50-50- because you give Hillary an inch and she will take 10 miles. And , really how many more would have shown up specifically
for Obama, my man.

Fla. should bring dignity to the party by doing the same thing. And those that blame Obama are all wrong and you know it. Hillary, put
you up to believing a lie.

Obama 2008

]]> By: Go Obama! http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/04/michigan-dems-rule-out-new-vote/#comment-838127 Go Obama! Fri, 04 Apr 2008 19:13:26 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=6253#comment-838127 How would it be fair to give 55 % to Hillary? 1. Obama didn't even campaign there as he promised DNC, and without campaigning how would people get to know how wonderful this new guy is? As we have seen in all other states where both campaigned, Obama always pulled up his percentage from initial prediction. 2. A lot of people who liked both Obama, Hillary or Hillary, Edwards voted for Hillary, since only her name was there on the ballot. But, given all 3 names, a lof of the people from that 55% would have voted for Obama or Edwards. For those of you who say leaving the name on the ballot was optional, my answer to you is no! They all agreed with DNC to take off their names. The only difference is that some kept their words and played by the rules and some didn't . 3. A lot of Obama supporters didn't even go to vote since they thought their votes won't count and Obama's name wasn't even on the ballot. Now, DNC shouldn't really reward the one who broke the rules for doing so and punish the ones who stuck to the rules for doing so, just because it's a convenient way to bring an end to the mess created by the Michigan democrats! The only plausible solution is 50:50 if revote can't take place. How would it be fair to give 55 % to Hillary?

1. Obama didn't even campaign there as he promised DNC, and without campaigning how would people get to know how wonderful this new guy is? As we have seen in all other states where both campaigned, Obama always pulled up his percentage from initial prediction.

2. A lot of people who liked both Obama, Hillary or Hillary, Edwards voted for Hillary, since only her name was there on the ballot. But, given all 3 names, a lof of the people from that 55% would have voted for Obama or Edwards. For those of you who say leaving the name on the ballot was optional, my answer to you is no! They all agreed with DNC to take off their names. The only difference is that some kept their words and played by the rules and some didn't .

3. A lot of Obama supporters didn't even go to vote since they thought their votes won't count and Obama's name wasn't even on the ballot.

Now, DNC shouldn't really reward the one who broke the rules for doing so and punish the ones who stuck to the rules for doing so, just because it's a convenient way to bring an end to the mess created by the Michigan democrats! The only plausible solution is 50:50 if revote can't take place.

]]> By: Hillary Supporters...Democrats or Republicans??? http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/04/michigan-dems-rule-out-new-vote/#comment-838126 Hillary Supporters...Democrats or Republicans??? Fri, 04 Apr 2008 19:13:25 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=6253#comment-838126 Hillary Flip Floppers, You are just as childish as the candidate you support with your threats of, "If Clinton doesn't get the nomination, I will vote McCain" and further proof that if Hillary becomes our next President that this type of behavior will become acceptable. It is not seen as loyalty so much as stupidity. Much like Hillary's "loyalty" to stick with her husband. If spite is what you base your vote on then please do change your political affiliation to the correct party. The Democratic Party needs to be rid of the likes you anyway...You're making us look bad! OBAMA '08! THERE IS NO OTHER CHOICE. Hillary Flip Floppers,

You are just as childish as the candidate you support with your threats of, "If Clinton doesn't get the nomination, I will vote McCain" and further proof that if Hillary becomes our next President that this type of behavior will become acceptable. It is not seen as loyalty so much as stupidity. Much like Hillary's "loyalty" to stick with her husband.

If spite is what you base your vote on then please do change your political affiliation to the correct party. The Democratic Party needs to be rid of the likes you anyway...You're making us look bad!

OBAMA '08!
THERE IS NO OTHER CHOICE.

]]> By: dAnnE http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/04/michigan-dems-rule-out-new-vote/#comment-838123 dAnnE Fri, 04 Apr 2008 19:13:14 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=6253#comment-838123 RH...you are right on. I see someone took an Intro to American Government course seriously. Maybe that should be a requirement to comment on this blog. RH...you are right on. I see someone took an Intro to American Government course seriously. Maybe that should be a requirement to comment on this blog.

]]> By: JackNC http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/04/michigan-dems-rule-out-new-vote/#comment-838121 JackNC Fri, 04 Apr 2008 19:13:06 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=6253#comment-838121 Did anyone hear the latest from Hillary? She said, she was invited by Taleban to talk, but she refused because she thought she would not look good in a burkha(veil). Can some one please tell her not to open her mouth. The distinction between fact and fiction in Clinton world has ceased to exist. Did anyone hear the latest from Hillary? She said, she was invited by Taleban to talk, but she refused because she thought she would not look good in a burkha(veil). Can some one please tell her not to open her mouth. The distinction between fact and fiction in Clinton world has ceased to exist.

]]> By: J.S. http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/04/michigan-dems-rule-out-new-vote/#comment-838119 J.S. Fri, 04 Apr 2008 19:12:58 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=6253#comment-838119 I just hope Democrats as a whole remember the old saying--"If it sounds too good to be true" We need to take long and closer looks at bi-racial Obama and Clinton before picking a nominee. I just hope Democrats as a whole remember the old saying–"If it sounds too good to be true" We need to take long and closer looks at bi-racial Obama and Clinton before picking a nominee.

]]> By: Frank, Dayton, Ohio http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/04/michigan-dems-rule-out-new-vote/#comment-838116 Frank, Dayton, Ohio Fri, 04 Apr 2008 19:12:44 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=6253#comment-838116 The dictionary says a "demagogue" is "a person who appeals to the emotions of people om prder to arouse discontent and advance his or her own political purposes." That term exactly describes Hillary Clinton in relation to this issue. "Opportunist" is the other word that describes her. She is cementing my desire to not vote for her if she manages to "steal" the nomination from Obama. The dictionary says a "demagogue" is "a person who appeals to the emotions of people om prder to arouse discontent and advance his or her own political purposes." That term exactly describes Hillary Clinton in relation to this issue.

"Opportunist" is the other word that describes her. She is cementing my desire to not vote for her if she manages to "steal" the nomination from Obama.

]]> By: Celia Ann in Michigan http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/04/michigan-dems-rule-out-new-vote/#comment-838114 Celia Ann in Michigan Fri, 04 Apr 2008 19:12:39 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=6253#comment-838114 GOD!!! Follow the rules that ALL the candidates ageers to. Funny, no voters were being disenfranchised when they all signed it. It is very curious that suddenly months late the person in second place is concerned about voters. I have contacted every law maker I could in my state and asked that they just move on and not make more of a mess, we have enough people here in office who are bending and breaking rules and lying under oath!!! Enough!!! GOD!!! Follow the rules that ALL the candidates ageers to. Funny, no voters were being disenfranchised when they all signed it. It is very curious that suddenly months late the person in second place is concerned about voters.

I have contacted every law maker I could in my state and asked that they just move on and not make more of a mess, we have enough people here in office who are bending and breaking rules and lying under oath!!! Enough!!!

]]> By: Ifeanyi Azubike Houston Texas http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/04/michigan-dems-rule-out-new-vote/#comment-838113 Ifeanyi Azubike Houston Texas Fri, 04 Apr 2008 19:12:34 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=6253#comment-838113 I have a problem knowing where she stands on issues. I am getting old and all these position changes confuse me. I thought she said that those votes wont count and now she is saying that they have to count. I believe that the democrtiac party should plead with Obama to quit the race and save us from Hillary's desparation. I have a problem knowing where she stands on issues. I am getting old and all these position changes confuse me. I thought she said that those votes wont count and now she is saying that they have to count. I believe that the democrtiac party should plead with Obama to quit the race and save us from Hillary's desparation.

]]> By: WFK http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/04/michigan-dems-rule-out-new-vote/#comment-838111 WFK Fri, 04 Apr 2008 19:12:25 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=6253#comment-838111 Michigan and Florida agreed to play by an agreed upon set of rules. Then Michigan and Florida violated those rules. Then Michigan and Florida expected the Democratic Party to reward their behavior. I tell them what I told my children growing up: When you agree to play by the rules, you had better stick to those rules. My children grew up nicely. Now it is time for Michigan and Florida to do likewise. Period. Michigan and Florida agreed to play by an agreed upon set of rules.
Then Michigan and Florida violated those rules.
Then Michigan and Florida expected the Democratic Party to reward their behavior.
I tell them what I told my children growing up:
When you agree to play by the rules, you had better stick to those rules.
My children grew up nicely.
Now it is time for Michigan and Florida to do likewise.
Period.

]]> By: Chris http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/04/michigan-dems-rule-out-new-vote/#comment-838108 Chris Fri, 04 Apr 2008 19:12:14 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=6253#comment-838108 Remember everyone that Barack Obama has people on the legislature. Thank you Obama for disenfranchising them through your people. It's another way you can skirt responsibility. Remember everyone that Barack Obama has people on the legislature. Thank you Obama for disenfranchising them through your people. It's another way you can skirt responsibility.

]]> By: Robin http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/04/michigan-dems-rule-out-new-vote/#comment-838107 Robin Fri, 04 Apr 2008 19:12:10 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=6253#comment-838107 An entire state is disenfranchised and your proud and happy about this. This a glaring example of the juvenile behavior of Obama and his supporters. One among many reasons why I will not vote for this man. An entire state is disenfranchised and your proud and happy about this. This a glaring example of the juvenile behavior of Obama and his supporters. One among many reasons why I will not vote for this man.

]]> By: Reid http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/04/michigan-dems-rule-out-new-vote/#comment-838096 Reid Fri, 04 Apr 2008 19:11:18 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=6253#comment-838096 Alex K, You are obviously a Republican in disguise. Arnold is pro choice and a democrat in all but name. McCain is NOTHING like Arnold and the conservative wing of your party already hates him. Good luck continuing "Operation Chaos". Alex K,
You are obviously a Republican in disguise. Arnold is pro choice and a democrat in all but name. McCain is NOTHING like Arnold and the conservative wing of your party already hates him. Good luck continuing "Operation Chaos".

]]> By: riad http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/04/michigan-dems-rule-out-new-vote/#comment-838094 riad Fri, 04 Apr 2008 19:11:05 +0000 http://cnnpoliticalticker.wordpress.com/?p=6253#comment-838094 Hilary uis the true leader Obama needs to concede before his true stories with Rezko come out and then he will be forever shamed, ill Gov was mentioned yesterday now we are waiting for Obama to be next. Hilary uis the true leader Obama needs to concede before his true stories with Rezko come out and then he will be forever shamed,
ill Gov was mentioned yesterday now we are waiting for Obama to be next.

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