WASHINGTON (CNN) – In recent days, Hillary Clinton supporters have been pushing this notion that the Democratic presidential candidate who has won the states with the most Electoral College votes should get the party’s super delegates and the party’s eventual nomination. We’ve heard it from Democratic Senator Evan Bayh of Indiana and Democratic Governor Ed Rendell - among many others.
They make this argument because Barack Obama remains the leader so far in pledged delegates, the popular vote and the most states won.
Clinton’s supporters note that Obama may have won more states - 27 to 14, excluding both Michigan and Florida whose delegates so far are not being counted because those states moved up their primaries against Democratic party rules. But they argue that her 14 states have a total of 219 Electoral College votes and his 27 states have 202 - and insist that makes her more likely to win the general election in November.
Among the big states she has won are New York and California.
Obama supporters argue that any Democrat likely will capture those states if recent presidential elections are a model. That may be true but John McCain and his supporters are arguing that he might actually have a chance in California given his supposed “maverick” reputation and the strong support of the state’s popular Republican governor, Arnold Schwarzenegger.
Clinton supporters also argue that she has a better chance of beating McCain in swing states like Florida and Ohio - which they say Democrats would need to win in November. They say it’s all about the Electoral College - not the popular vote - as was made clear in 2000, when Al Gore won hundreds of thousands of more votes than winner George Bush.
It’s a controversial point that the Clinton camp makes.
I suggest you go back to Civics 101. This is a primary election, and the only count that matters is the delegate count. Once again, Barack is following the rules and Clinton and her supporters, like you Wolf, are hedging.
And stop talking about a dream ticket. The only person a dream ticket helps is Hillary and why should we help her, she supported McCain. We want her out of our site because she bad news. Send her to China, she has more in common with their government than ours.
America & Barack 08
China & Hillary 0-Never
Another way for Clinton and her cronies to steal this election.
Right on! Hillary is ahead in the only count that matters while Obama is ahead in the only count that doesn't matter.
How does Obama expect to win in November against a Republican, when he can't even win any big states against another Democrat?
Cnn...post my comments!
Wolf you are one low life stupid man. Last month you were talking about the Florida and Michgan untile people were sick hearing it. Now here you go agiain with you stupid baias Electoral College votes crap
who do you think will listen to your stupid report, American people are way smart than that. I just hope some day you and Lou Dobbs fired form CNN.
Wolf, the Clinton camp will find all kinds of excuses and reasons. Even if you want to decide it by electoral votes, as she ignorantly argues, who actually won Texas? She is counting Texas as if she won Texas. Texas had a two-step approach. Overall, Obama won Texas. Would she count that as part of the electoral college delegates for Obama and not hers? She is a liar and a big cheat indeed.
Please! That is just plain silly, I don't know how else to describe it! It is the ONE way to look at it, where she may hold an advantage, and that is to say that states like New York would ONLY choose Clinton over McCain, because New York & McCain obviously go togther like peas & carrots. Give me break. At this point she is trying everything to justify victory by the super-delegate elite w/in the party of the people. Almost as disgusting as her right of entitlement. Even if she does get the nod, it will be severly tainted.
After all is said and done, the November election needs to be won. people lose sight of that. Hillary is the one to do just that. That is how the general election works.
Thank you Mr.Blitzer for going beyond petty fighting and bowling photo-ops. Now this is a real dicussion! Very brave of you also to go against the formula of simple Hillary bashing.
LMFAO.. sorry to say, Electorial College don't matter in the primary. Nice argument though.
If that was the case, the superdelegates would be going for Clinton not Obama right now. But funny how Obama has picked up around 69 supers since February and Clinton a net loss of 2 supers.
Hillary's rural city supporters hvae noone to blame but them selfs if John MCcain becomes the President. If they do not vote for OBAMA in the General Elections. Just becuase Hillary lost. You will see more jobs lost more soldiers killed and maybe A war In Iraq, Which we don't need
WAKE UP PEOPLE
She'll just try anything...lies, making up "rules" and excuses as the wind shifts. There was a time I felt sorry for her- now all I feel is disqust!
That's the stupidest argument yet. The Clinton campaign is dabling in prophecy now. Good luck with that.
Why are we changing the rules in teh middle of the game?
Why are we giving the Clinton campaign the authority to even suggests new rules in the middle fo the game?
What is the next Clinton metric for electabilty? Who lies the most?
Keep moving the goal post Clintons!
Blitzer; you are not serious for bringging this nonsense up.
There are more newsworthy news.
And stop talking about a dream ticket. The only person a dream ticket helps is Hillary and why should we help her, she supported McCain. We want her out of our sight because she's bad news. Send her to China, she has more in common with their government than ours.
In the General, it's the Electoral College votes that count. However, in the Primary (which we are in) it's the DELEGATES that count! How many times and how many ways is Mrs. Clinton going to try to change the rules of the party?
Now to FL and MI, Sen. Obama AND Mrs. Clinton "SIGNED" a Pledge that the FL and MI votes would Not count. I guess this shows how much it means when Mrs. Clinton puts her Signature on a Pledge, Nothing!
There is no low those crooks won't sink to. And Blitzer is just as bad for so consistently being such a weasel to their talking points. Call it for what it is – they will make any claim they can to win the nomination, even if it means trying to steal delegates Obama already won.
It's speculation to say Obama can't win in Florida or Ohio....besides, if it is based on electoral the candidates wouldn't need to campaign around the nation, nor would we need to await the people's vote.
Simply have a 4 state runoff-New York, California, Florida, Texas...
I'm sure the Clinton supporters will cry that they won 3 of the 4...but ANY Democrat will win New York, and maverick moniker or not, I'd say Obama has the edge over McCain in California...
Yet more scrambling by the Clinton supporters...trying to find a way to squeeze into the white house...evenwhile not being the people's vote.
Why is Michigan lumped with Florida? Obama wasn't even on the ballot.
George Bush won that election because he clearly stole it from Al Gore. Does McCain plan on doing the same to Obama? Or does Clinton think that she is a bigger crook than McCain. This may be why she is making this argument that only she can beat McCain. This year is going to be a revolution and I am hoping that America is ready for it. This dirty politics will no longer work.
That's just ridiculous. Pledged delegates are what counts. Enough with the Clintons moving the goal posts.
Clinton."s argument is a last ditch effort to influence those super delegates who have not as yet jumped on the Obama ship. Previously Democratic states, such as New York will vote Democratic no matter who the candidate is. Obama, however, has made inroads into those "Red States' and may., indeed, carry them in November. Thus, he will lead in the presumed Electoral votes, popular vote and pledged delegate vote. Hillary needs to brush up on her math skills!
I am amazed daily by the new "count theories" the Clinton campaign comes up with! The Europeans are laughing at (us)her and scratching their heads asking themselves how can we possibly go around to other countries trying to force the very same democracy down their throats; that we ourselves cannot seem to follow!
She is behind in every count that matters! Including what "counts" to the American people in general.....honesty, integrity and loyalty within and to ones party!
The left wing of the dem party has a hard time acknowledging that Obama, for all his virtues, is unelectable due to Rev Wright. Sad but true that this friendship that was so necessary for Obama to win over black support for his state senate bid should make him unelectable in a national election. Obama may get 50% of the dem primary vote and the nomination but he'll lose 35 to 40 states to McCain. I'll be ther to say I told you so too. Another dem for McCain or Hillary.
This is ludicrous. The Clinton campaign changes its mind about what is “crucial” to being elected whenever it suits them. Pretty soon they will say that it's the number of primaries won on Thursdays that should decide the primaries.
What other D-E-S-P-E-R-A-T-E argument are they going to try? This woman can't even run a decent campaign or manage her campaign finances and we're supposed to trust her in the general and potentially to run our country?! That is one big, fat NO!!! She's the most underqualified (and dishonest) candidate that just happens to be female.
I am 53 years old and have never voted for a Democrat in a presidential election. If Hillary is the nominee, that string will be intact. If Obama is nominated, sorry Mcain, I have to go the other way. Multiply that by a lot of other like minded voters and tell me what that does to "the only count that matters"