WASHINGTON (CNN) – In recent days, Hillary Clinton supporters have been pushing this notion that the Democratic presidential candidate who has won the states with the most Electoral College votes should get the party’s super delegates and the party’s eventual nomination. We’ve heard it from Democratic Senator Evan Bayh of Indiana and Democratic Governor Ed Rendell - among many others.
They make this argument because Barack Obama remains the leader so far in pledged delegates, the popular vote and the most states won.
Clinton’s supporters note that Obama may have won more states - 27 to 14, excluding both Michigan and Florida whose delegates so far are not being counted because those states moved up their primaries against Democratic party rules. But they argue that her 14 states have a total of 219 Electoral College votes and his 27 states have 202 - and insist that makes her more likely to win the general election in November.
Among the big states she has won are New York and California.
Obama supporters argue that any Democrat likely will capture those states if recent presidential elections are a model. That may be true but John McCain and his supporters are arguing that he might actually have a chance in California given his supposed “maverick” reputation and the strong support of the state’s popular Republican governor, Arnold Schwarzenegger.
Clinton supporters also argue that she has a better chance of beating McCain in swing states like Florida and Ohio - which they say Democrats would need to win in November. They say it’s all about the Electoral College - not the popular vote - as was made clear in 2000, when Al Gore won hundreds of thousands of more votes than winner George Bush.
It’s a controversial point that the Clinton camp makes.
Well I know for a simple fact, that if it's Clinton and McCain – I no longer have to worry about voting for either of those 2 factions. A woman voted the most corrupt politician of 2007, and a Man who has sold his integrity for a chance at the big chair. No Thanks to both. I pray for this nation that neither Clinton or McCain win. I have little hope for Obama, But little is better then despair.
its a controversial point her camp makes because she is desperate to win, Nothing more, nothing less.
Blitzer, I can't believe ypu can bring this as an issue- it is extremely funny. Just a joke for the media.
Every vote counts! Sometimes clinton's and supporters claim, we shouldn't supress people's vote and then they come around and say, small states don't count. The game is all about delegate lead. Otherwise Obama didn't need to compaign in 50 states. Unfortunately her compaign focused on big states. That doesn't mean the rules change by her compaign. The sad thing is the media picks nonsens and talk about
I am sorry she is finished. First they lowere the bar to popular vote and now to this.
Hillary is behind no matter how CNN or Hillary try to move the post!
If Hillary was ahead – I am sure that would be the news!
Just another spin on things from Clinton supporters. They are trying desperately to make the public see things their way. I think we the public are smarter than they think!
If this happens I'll switch to the republican party. Hillary better no try to STEAL this election from Barack Obama. How would it look if the democratic party took the nomination of a black man away because they don't think he is electable> Hillary should be ashamed for even proposing this absurd idea.
It's a stupid and moot point as well. The nominee is chosen based on delegates. Period.
Words of the deperate. Times running and and they are pulling on twigs not to be sucked in by the quick sand. Hopefully this latest evil move will not gain any ground.
Everytime I hear this argument from the Clinton camp I cringe. Just another example of the Clinton camp attempting to move the goal posts.
Does not matter Dems will win in 2008. Bush has wrecked the republican party. sadly I am a republican
Addition to comment above;
Polls in the "small"states Obama won show him leading McCain while Hillary lags behind McCain. If Hillary can not win these republican leading states in the primary how can she win them against McCain come November?
This is silly math. Recent polls show that Obama has a better chance of beating McCain in California than Hillary. I wish Clinton would stop perpetuating the idea that Obama will lose in November.
2000 is the reason we should have gotten rid of the Electoral College and go solely by popular vote.
Oh please! The Clinton's have tried to change this game whenever it’s convenient for them. They are loosing in every category, with the exception of super delegates and Obama is slowly overtaking Hillary in that category also. I’m just surprise people is still supporting this lying person who obviously would stop at nothing to win this election. She’s basically doing the same thing Bush did to Gore. . . no matter what, win at all cost. Even if you have to cheat, lie and deceive the American people. People wake up!
..and thats all the Clinton camp could come up with?
Its not like she won some of the states with a thumping majority..
Talk about clutching at straws.
The Clinton campaign will do anything to win, even if it means writing their own rule book. Amazing!
This argument incorrectly presupposes that Obama won't carry those states where Clinton won the primary – often by a small margin. It also presupposes that She will win in the general election in those states. I thought this strawman argument had lost steam a couple of week's ago because everyone knows the primary is not an indicator of the general election. Why has'nt BLitzer blogged on Penn? 109million? I think CNN is trying to hard to keep the Clintons' chances alive.
So there you go America. Clinton doesn't care about your vote. The popular vote doesn't count. They only thing that counts is whatever will get the Clintons back into office. Wake up America! You don't matter to them. In any given day, Hillary says she's not dropping out because she feels that every vote counts, while her campaign is making the argument that the popular vote doesn't count. And if the popular vote doesn't count, then your vote doesn't count. And once again we find Hillary lying to the American people.
Obama needs to prove (NOT BRAG!!!!) that he is able to win the states which he has lost to Mrs. Clinton as well as swing states, otherwise, be a MAN, for the sake of the Party, and step aside.
I am sick and tired of hearing these type of comments from the Clinton campaign. When Florida and Michigan held their primaries early, bot her and Obama said they wouldn't campaign in the state and their delegates would not count. Now that Hillary is loosing and unable to catch Obama she is trying to get that reversed. The RULES ARE THE RULES! it Michigan and Florida wanted their votes to count they shouldn't have moved up their primaries!
Do your numbers give the state of Texas to Hillary? It seems to me that giving her Texas would be a matter of debate because Obama actually ended up with more delegates coming out of Texas. Would that make a difference to your conclusion?
The argument maybe unusual but it would be correct. If the Electoral College makes the final choice of the president, they will do so again in the general election. Right now, I support Hillary but will vote McCain before I ever vote for Obama. Obama's record in the senate is weak and has no real showing of leadership. All I see is a good cheerleader at the game but no real offer of how he will fix the mess Bush got us into. McCain and Clinton do have strong records to back them up. The Electoral College in the end chooses the president based on each states votes.
Yes, Senator Clinton has won the big states. So what if Obama won more states? I really don't care. What is important is that Senator Clinton is the stronger candidate by far. Obama is all words but haven't seen much action. I think he has listened too long to tapes of famous people. He will NEVER measure up to them. Senator Hillary Clinton should be our nominee, period. GO HILLARY 08!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The argument is illogical; winning a primary is no indication of winning a general election.
A democrat will win in every state that holds a democrat primary because democrats are voting for democrats.
However, a democrat will not win in every state in a general election because democrats, republicans, and independents are voting for either the democrat candidate or the republican candidate.
For instance, a democrat will absolutely win in the democrat primary in Texas. And in fact, a democrat won in the Texas primary. However, the democrat who won in Texas is not guaranteed to win in Texas in a general election. Indeed, it is highly likely the democrat will lose in Texas during a general election because Texas voters overwhelmingly vote for the republican candidates on the state and national level.
It's a desperate point and said that you BUY into it.
I used to love the Clinton's, but if they can't win according to the rules, then Hillary is not worthy to be President or VP, so that leaves McCain't. C'mon Billary, you guys are destroying yourselves with your own narcissism. It's not at all becoming. Win the right way or lose gracefully and be the VP we need.