PITTSBURGH, Pennsylvania (CNN) – Joining wife Hillary Clinton at a campaign rally on the eve of the Pennsylvania primary, former President Bill Clinton argued that if Democratic candidates were awarded delegates the same way as Republicans, his wife would be beating Barack Obama in the race for the 2,025 delegates needed to secure the Democratic nomination.
“If we were under the Republican system, which is more like the Electoral College, she'd have a 300 delegate lead here,” Clinton told the Washington Post. “I mean, Senator McCain is already the nominee because they chose a system to produce that result, and we don't have a nominee here, because the Democrats chose a system that prevents that result.”
Overall, Obama leads Hillary Clinton by 144 delegates - 1,648 to 1,504 - according to CNN's delegate count. However, Clinton still has 24 more superdelegates than Obama, leading 254 to 230.
Many states in the Republican primary race award delegates on a winner-take-all basis, whereas every state on the Democratic side uses a proportional system.
The former president has been shuttling back and forth between eastern and western Pennsylvania over the past few days, shoring up votes for his wife in this crucial primary contest.
He takes Obama to task for several of his recent television ads in Pennsylvania, calling a recent one – in which he says Sen. Clinton’s health care plan would force people to pay for health care plans they can't afford – “truly hilarious” and "bull.”
Hillary Clinton has maintained a consistent lead over Obama in Pennsylvania polls and needs to win Tuesday night to silence calls for her to drop out of the race.
At the end of each speech, the former president addresses those calls, introducing supporters to “Clinton’s rules of politics:" "If somebody tells you you ought to quit, it’s because they’re afraid you won’t, and there’s no quit in her ... and I’ll tell you something else, if somebody tells you you can’t win, it’s because you know you can.”
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Well Bill, you didn't seem to have a problem with those "Democratic" rules in 1992 and 1996. Now who's whining?
Dear Bill:
When I was a child and started wishing for outlandish things I remember her saying this
"If if's and but's were candy and nuts we'd all have a Merry Christmas" (for all of you Clinton expersts out there, I realize my quote might be slight off but y'all get my meaning)
Are you suggesting that we change the rules that the DNC put in place because your wife is behind? THAT REALLY DOES MAKE YOU ALL LOOK DESPERATE
this is such a good point. Hope you win Hillary!!!!!!
Bill did you talk about the $800,000 you got in 2005 from Columbia???
Oh NOOOOOO you wont talk about that and the thousands of American jobs that you and Hillary gonna ship overseas!
Please I've had enough of you trickry ahd LIES!
Obama! Rock on!
True, true.
And since the nomination process does not reflect the actual presidential election process the Obama camp gamed the system and the caucus system to secure their lead.
The Obama camp's strategy won't translate to the presidential election. He will lose big time.
Hillary 2012!
OMG......"if this" "if that"....are you kidding me? What about the results of the process that is in place???? THAT COUNTS FOR NOTHING?? The Clinton's are just soooooo old and out of touch with what Americans want these days.....PATHETIC.
But they're not playing by Republican rules and Hillary's losing. This is a stupid point to bring up.
Well Bill and Hillary if you don't like the Democrats system then become an Independent or change over to the Republicans. You are the biggest whiners of them all.
Don't go away mad just go away and the sooner the better..
Who is Bill Clinton to suggest Barack Obama take off his uniform? Mr macho sports analogies from a guy who refused to wear a uniform for his country. Now Hillary is horn tooting, and flag waving. What a sleazy campaign they run.
What President Clinton said is true...... you can't knock that.....
Sen. Obama does have a delegate lead b/c he's won many red Republican states, which won't go Democratic in November....
The key states to look at are the blue Democratic states and the purple swing states, and Hillary does have an edge in these contests
I BELIEVE THE VERY BEST DECISION THE CLINTONS COULD MAKE AT THIS TIME WOULD BE TO JOIN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY!! It seems to me they are always bring up the REPUBLICANS in some fashion!! It sure would be a RELIEF for those of us DEMOCRATS WHO ARE SICK AND TIRED OF THEM!!
Obama is a joke! His health care plan is the crappy one, not Hillary's. Hillary's plan covers EVERYONE where Obama's leaves out over 15 million American's. We need universal health care to lower prices. Obama's plan means we get to pay for those 15 million with our tax dollars. No thanks! Get lost Obama, we don't want you, your lies, or your racist ways.
Signed,
"a typical white person"
for
HILLARY CLINTON 2008!!!
PLEASE PA!!!! PUT THE CLINTONS OUT!!!! PLEASE!!!
Bill and Hillary, please just let it go. Let's go Pennsylvania...tomorrow is our day!
OBAMA -08!
Bill, that's great! Why don't you and your wife join the GOP? May be your wife can win the GOP nomination in 2012 because as far as I know, they have already settled for McCain this year.
What Slick Willy is saying is true. The dem pty's primary/caucus nomination process has some serious flaws.
Keep in mind that Uh uh bama has not won blue states nor any of the swing states. Most of the states won by Uh uh bama are red states which will easily be taken by McCain.
I thought Uhbama was going to stay away from neg campaigning. He is deriding Hillary on a daily basis. HRC's criticism of OB is to the point. Make the right decision PA!
Maybe Hillary should consider switching parties if the GOP suits her needs better.
Not the needs of the people, the needs of Hillary Clinton.
I do believe that Bill Clinton won his primaries under the same rules.
Tisk, tisk.
this is a product of the front loaded system that the Clintons designed while controlling the democratic party the last several years.
They had planned on Hillary being the nominee and cleaning up on super Tuesday thus making it impossible for any other candidate to catch them in pledged delegates. Their flunkies like Terry McCaluiff and Harold Ickes were the political architects that marched to the Clinton orders.
The real fly in the ointment was a person named Barack Obama. He figured it all out and galloped into the lead.
But, I really want all the people that follow this interesting political year.
Bill Clinton well knows this but he goes ahead and tell a flat out lie.
He writes the rules and then when those rules (Michigan and Florida) go against the Clintons he yells it is not fair. Everybody better take a long hard look at what the Clintons are about. You can be for or against whatever candidate you choose but the black and white fact is the Clintons lie about anything and everything and it would be the single worse thing that can happen is to introduce America into the 21st Century with these two toxic people.
"If somebody tells you you ought to quit, it’s because they’re afraid you won’t, and there’s no quit in her … and I’ll tell you something else, if somebody tells you you can’t win, it’s because you know you can.”
Math: terrified of Hillary.
Clinton play book:
1)say whatever you must in the moment even if it goes against your previously stated opinions.
2)first blame republicans, next blame your opponent, and finally blame your own party and its system of fairness rather than winner take all.
3)mis-handle your money, your staff, the media, your spouse... yet claim victory at each step.
4)have a sense of entitlement throughout the entire process.
Well she's definitely playing by GOP rules.
Okay, do I really have to be the one to say it? SOUNDS LIKE YOU ARE IN THE WRONG PARTY. Feel free to leave any time and good riddance. Don't let the door hit you where the good lord split you!
clintons PLEASE GO AWAY
You talk about whinning, these Clintons go from one thing to another, everything is unfair or wrong with everything pretaining them being behind Obama. Well Clinton in a perfect world where we all got what we want, when we want both you and your wife would have been gone months ago. that is as far as I'm concerned, but because we don't live in a perfect world there's no need in talking about what would, should have happened. Let's face things as they are now. Hillary IS BEHIND and the way the democratic Party IS she will STAY BEHIND. get over it and go home so we can move on.
So, she would be winning if only the rules were completely different?
That's funny. Bill Clinton didn't complain about the rules of the Democratic Party when they all were voting for him, and they certainly didn't have a problem with Moveon.org back then either, ESPECIALLY since the organization was created FOR him.
I have lost ALL respect for him. He is a known liar and has the NERVE to speak to the American public PERIOD. Every time I see his face on tv, I change the channel; same with that lying, evil monster, Hillary Clinton.
Yes Bill, if the Democrats had the same way of selecting a nominee, as the Gop, you would have never been elected to office. we never would have heard of Monica, impeachment, NAFTA, and no one would even know who Hillary is. What am I saying, I guess it would be a good thing.
The Democats have a system in which every vote counts. It's more...what is the word? DEMOCRATIC. If you like the whole winner take all, who cares about the popular vote stance, Bill, then take your wife and move to the GOP. You won't be missed.
And, as the old Saturday Night Live sketch had it, if Superman had landed in Germany instead of Smallville, USA he would be Übermann and the Nazis would have won the war.
Really?
So now you're going to argue the rules by which your own party awards delegates?
Is this really going to be your argument going forward?
You have got to be kidding me.
President Clinton is correct. Hillary has won the big blue states (except for Obama's home state of IL). The black vote has secured the southern red states for Obama. So who do you want for the Democratic nominee in the general? The general is winner take all. We better win the blue states. Obama will do well, but lose, in the red states. But he cannot carry the core Democratic voters. Too many blue states will be a toss-up. Say hello to President John McCain. Hillary has consistently carried the core voters of the Democratic Party. So do you want President Hillary Clinton or President John McCain? President Barack Obama will not happen.
see i knew the clintons where reps on the under, it's funny how when thing arent going their way, they wish it was in the other direction. hey billary since you think mcsame is more electable than obama, and since the republican primary system is better than the dems. why dont you become john mcsames running mate cause your doing a better job at being replubican than he is right now
What kind of statement is this from Bill? Didn't he and Hillary understand the way the democratic primaries worked?
Or , did they just become complacent and overconfident?
Sounds like Bill can't handle the heat. Hey Hillary, don't put on the uniform if you don't want to play by the rules!
Whatever rules favor the Clinton is the best rule!!!
This should make Hillary feel good then .... Hillary you can't win and you should quit. As soon as possible, because you're running out of time
Check out the beefs .....
http://whatsmybeef.wordpress.com/
bills right... SHE CAN WIN. obama? nope.
GO HILLARY. PA IS YOURS TOMORROW!
Can someone tell you is running for Prseident Bill or Hillary Clinton?
I can see women wanting a woman president. I most certainly understood! But is this case clearily we are not sure who is running the ship. When the phone rings at 3 am morining it will like be Bill wispering in her ear. Oh! Not Hillary another lady!
Would it not be more appropriate to look for a women who is not tied to her husband's political apron strings?
There are many strong women who can run on their own merit and don't have to rely on their husband like Hillary has.
REALLY? WHY DON'T YOU AND HILLARY JUST JOIN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY?? EVEN IF YOU BOTH DO, I WON'T BE SURPRISED.
THESE ARE THE DEMOCRATIC RULES - IF YOU CAN'T TAKE THE HEAT IN THE KITCHEN, YOU HAVE TO GET OUT.
haha Bill, i guess you got away from Hillary's choke chain on you?
Also Bill said in 2004 "Vote for HOPE before Fear"
If Hillary wasn't Bills wife he would be destroying her Bin Laden commericals.
remember one thing CLINTON WOULD GO TO NUCLEAR WAR IF IRAN attacked Syria!!!!!!! At 3am....we know clintons repsonse....NUKE!!!!! even McCain wouldnt go that far.
Clinton vote=nuke vote
So what Clinton is complaining about is that we do not have a voting system like the Republicans.
I see so he wants the Democratic Party to change our voting system and be more Republican so Hillary can win.
I suggest Bill and Hillary go join the Republican Party and run Hillary against Obama 4 years from now and she will still lose.
After all was not Hillary once a Republican years ago.
She and Bill sure act Republican .
Pennsylvania Yes You can Tuesday and I hope you will Obama all the way to the Whitehouse
Obama 08
Funny, the Clintons had no objections to the rules when they presumed she was "pre-ordained" to be the nominee. Now that it appears she may lose, they whine about those same rules? Give me a break!
Billiary, why do you like changing the rules of the game right in the middle of the game especially when you are losing. You have been in support of the delegate and superdelegate count since its insurgency. You started calling around on these delegates way back in July of last year.(Bear in mind many of those who agreed to support you are having doubts right now: the bold and beautiful ones have dumped you) If you didn't think it was a good idea why do you go after it then. Oh I remember, you were in the lead. You are now becoming more than an irritant just take your Ed Randel and Nutter or Nutty and go hide somewhere.
I supported you once but never again.
She acts like a Republican and now you want her to play by their system. Why not just run as a Republican? They are going out and voting for her anyway.
She talks like Republican
She attacks like Republican
She uses all Rove's tricks
One time she was a Republican and she is a Republican
What is she doing with Democrats?
Considering her ruthless, Rovian tactics she should be running for the GOP.
Enough already with these two idiots! What's the matter with them? They now are at a point where they are just so annoying, I can't take it any more!! How does he dare stating such "bull". The DNC really needs to tell them that it's enough and simply shut up!!
Both of them just make me gag....
Liars, words twisters, fear mongers.......
Hillary prob would have won the GOP nomination, should have switched parties.
Can someone tell us who is running for President, Bill or Hillary Clinton?
I can see women wanting a woman president. I most certainly understand! But is this case clearly we are not sure who is running the ship. When the phone rings at 3 am morning it will likely be Bill whispering in her ear. Oh! Not Hillary another lady!
Would it not be more appropriate to look for a woman who is not tied to her husband's political apron strings?
There are many strong women who can run on their own merit and don't have to rely on their husband like Hillary has.
AND IF SHE WAS SMARTER, NOT A LIER & HAD SOME INTEGRITY
AND IF PIGS COULD FLY, WE WOULD CALL THEM EAGLES.
IF BILL DOESN'T LIKE DNC RULES, HILLARY SHOULD HAVE RUN
AS A REPUBLICAN. SHE VOTES AS ONE. BOTH CAN TAKE THEIR
MISERABLE SELVES HOME & OUT OUR SIGHT.
Well you are playing by the DNC rules which I guess do not apply to you as you want the DNC to seat two states that violated the rules that your wifeypoo supported.
Bill is actually right. But there is more, she will be winning big time or/and the opponents would be different or nonexistant, if .....if the Wright, the Ayers, the Rezko, the million dollar march and who knows what else, had been known and not swept under the carpet.
Once again, we Americans put ourselves in this horrible situation, i.e having a leading contender for the Presidency based on charisma and personality vs. substance.
AND THE CLINTON SHAME GOES ON.
By the way why is she not part of the GOP then anyways? She already talks like them, uses their tactics, helps McCain etc.
Here's the perfect solution: Hillary switch the party, all the Democrats would be more than happy to get rid of you
Campaigning for his lesbian wife, as she allows him to score the honeys. What a joke, that couples is, Smoke some bongs and well... ya know.
Perhaps the Clintons have forgotten that they are part of the Democratic party. This might explain the Rovian tactics they have employed.
Bill,
I know you are a professional politician, but please pick a side... Are you GOP or Democrat.
As a Democrat, (which I hope Hillary is) we play by Democratic rules, which we all know you have a hard time understanding. All canidates which ran in this years primaries agreed to do, you wife included.
So please STOP trying to change the rules to suit you needs.
I hope this is not more or your "say anything, do anything" policies.
True, True
That is what sucks Bill.
The system during the election will be different.
In our current system small states have significantly more electoral power than in the GE
In the future we should adjust our system to look like the GE.
I still believe...
Hillary '08
Go Hillary! Here is your momentum. Run to Indiana and Guam! That will propel you to KY and Oregon... Then all we need is MI and FL to count as they should and you have the nomination! They counted you out. As you said, this is just the start! HRC 2008
Bill, give it up! I wonder if you really want Hillary to lose! Every time you open your mouth, you cost her votes.
He neglects to mention that her failure to plan beyond Super Tuesday is why she's losing in the first place, and that fact alone shows me she is unqualified to be President. If I wanted a President who had no plan B when something went wrong, I'd stick with the current one.
And pigs might fly if they had wings...
so get out
Please stop Bill. You would have losted under the Rep system. These Clintions are goods. People are going to be tricked again. We are not in a general election, this is the primary. Rules are Rules. Please rember that. I tell the truth. This is simple. Facts
Wow, I guess Bill an Hillary want to win "by any means necessary." To invoke Republican rules as a way in which to compare her race with Senator Obama and to say that she would be winning using their rules is kind of insane.
What world do they live in? Oh yeah, I forgot, they live in the world of "Clintonian Rules" and are able to change the rules and move the goal post whenever it suits them.
Shameful.
Hmm, so the Clinton machine who was in control of the DNC for at least a decade kept system that prevents results? Odd that it's just become a problem now.
in that case she should just be a republican.....
therefore since hillary said obama can't win, it stands to reason he can
So let's do what Bill wants and let's change the rules just before the game ends just like in MI and FL. After all, we owe it to them and they are entitled to it....Right???
I am black but my choice is Hilary. I feel just comfortable that america will be in secured leader when she becomes the commander in chief.
Come on, if they want to play by Republican rules, then RUN AS A REPUBLICAN!!!!
There goes Bill again...i love BC but he alway seems to see things in a very unique, selfish and twisted way..talk about moving the goalpost or trying to change the rules..if he's so concerned that his wife should have won by republican party rules, they should both go ahead and join the republicans.
THE CLINTONS REACH A NEW LOW WITH EVERY
THREAT TO THEIR ROYAL CORONATION.
UNFORTUNATELY FOR THEM, WE ARE GETTING
OUR COUNTRY BACK, ONCE AND FORE EVER.
OK, now I am really confused. Is Bill saying the popular vote (which Obama leads in) does not count. I'm OK if that is his/her position, but I'm really curious to see if that is their position should Hillary overtake Obama in the popular vote. My guess is that they will suddenly have a change of heart should that happen.
Why won't the Clintons play by the rules they agreed to? I give them credit. They are most ruthless campaigners of all time.
She certainly has been acting like a republican lately-but this isn't the party of bush-–it's the party of the PEOPLE.
Then I guess she should go back to the GOP!
Hey Bill,
She would win under republican rules, you are using republican attack tactics and saying that it is ok because that is what republicans do. Why don't you just have your wife join the republican party?
Do you know why the country has been so apathetic about our elections? Because of the "do anything" / "say anthing" to win tactics that the Clintons and the Republicans have been playing.
I wish... America would fight back. The undermining of a new movement, by someone within it's own party... how terribly, terribly sad. I always knew Bill had no shame. I didn't know it extended to his wife, too.
Bill is right. In fact Obama is ahead because of all his wins in those states that will undoubtedly vote Republican in the general election. In state by state match ups in the key swing states Hillary beats McCain whearas Obama doesn't. It will come back to bite the Dems in the general election if they nominate Obama. As a Democrat, I for one will not be voting for him.
Bill:
Hillary would be winning, if, Hillary would be winning, that! Get a clue! This is not the doggone GOP, so stop whining!
I don't care whether PA gets hoodwinked by all of your wife's lies and barking like a dog in heat! I don't want her for my President or you again for President!
Bill, your days of sexual intercourse with interns in our tax paid for White House are over!
Something new, something fresh! Obama for President!!! '08
Yeah Bill, let's change the rules mid-game since you're losing. That may as well be the campaign slogan.
Hillary is going to win anway!
Go Clintons! Go Experience!
That is correct - Hillary would be winning BIG. This is what the Super Delegates really have to look at - the states that Hillary has won - not those small states with caucasus where the Obamamiotes all screamed their heads off to the point of Hillary people just leaving. I know this is what happened as a friend of mine in Texas went to the Caucasus to vote for Hillary and he said the Obama people were RUDE and EXTREMELY VILE - that many of the older people just left and were completely offended. We in Michigan are for Hillary and our vote has not been counted yet also. The Super delegates had better take a real good look at Obama because he will not win in the General. Way, Way to many Democrats do not want Obama in the White House and will Vote for McCain just so Obama loses. Good Luck Super Delegates and the Big Boys in the Democratic Party.........
Well then, go run as a GOP candidate Hillary! This is truly silly season when this is brought up by the losing candidate.
Oh my god...Now Mr Lewinsky prefer the gop rules...because that would be suitable for "" his wife ""...Really ridiculous..
If we were under hte republican system,would you be president one day ?Hein Mr Lewinsky...? And your wife's name would be just Hillary Rodham...She would not be a Clinton because she would have left you since the Monica Lewinsky scandal...Please Bill ...shut up !..
This race is about electability. The democratic party leaders will choose the candidate with the best chance to win the white house and that means winning in the electoral college system. Hillary obviously has a better chance at suceeding in our system than Obama.
So do Bill and Hillary want every vote to count or not? I also think the attempt to link the Democratic primary method to the Electoral College method for Presidential elections is bunk. Whether a given Democratic nominee contender wins the larger portion of the primary doesn't necessarily translate into winning the same state in the actual presidential election – too many variable to consider.
Hillary would be winning if the DNC was fair to Floridia and Michigan. She'd also be winning if the media were fair and she matched him financially. It's amazing that she's in the race despite some major obstacles.
So do Bill and Hillary want every vote to count or not? I also think the attempt to link the Democratic primary method to the Electoral College method for Presidential elections is bunk. Whether a given Democratic nominee contender wins the larger portion of the primary doesn't necessarily translate into winning the same state in the actual presidential election – too many variables to consider.
Back to reality Clinton's, back to reality.......
Well then, go run as a GOP candidate Hillary. This is truly silly season when this is brought up by the losing candidate.
Bill – you have truly disgraced yourself as a former president and leader in the Democratic party
Unbelievable, if your team cannot win and score on the field that you need to play, just move the goal posts so that you can say you would have, could have, and should have won. These rules have been in place for several decades and were in place when he ran for office. I find it hard to believe that this clown was our president for 8 long years. His lies, deceptions, and self serving truths don't work anymore. Bill, please redefine what is meant by "is".
And yet Hillary would still be losing the popular vote even if you count Florida and Michigan. What happened to not disenfranchising voters?
Thats wishful thinking on Bills part,people are ready change in hte White House that means no more of the same tactics to get what is needed.So even though it is not the republicans way of getting tthe nomination we are tired of both Bushes and Clintons
Sounds like Hillary Clinton should switch to the GOP party. She would have an easier time beating McCain than Obama. Another option for her is to run as an Independent or start her own party like Ross Perot did back in the 90's.
Thanks for the lesson, Biil. Idiot.
Maybe President Clinton should urge his wife to join the republican party. She sure could fit in there.
Why is it news when Bill Clinton whines but when I whine everyone just tells me to stop whining?
If they were playing under the Republican rules, Obama would have employed a different strategy. He'd still be winning - just by different means.
IF ... IF ... IF ...
If we didn't have an electoral college, Al Gore would be President, we would never have invaded Iraq, and Joe Lieberman would be this year's Democratic nominee.
They sound more and more like Republicans every day..They ought to change parties. And to think that this Party supported them during the tough 90's when Richard Scaife, Fox News, Rush ( now proud endorsers ) ect.. were ripping them a new one for 8yrs non-stop. Well, what comes around, goes around as she will find out. The very party she is continually pandering to (her bitter remarks, like salt of the earth people can't think through what Obama's words meant without her or McCain having to explain it to them in plain salt of the earth terms) and the very process which helped Bill Clinton win in 92 and 96 all the sudden is broken. Always wanting to move the goal posts so to speak when the numbers are against them. And they call Obama the elitist? HA
GO HILLARY! President Hillary Clinton!
Clintons become more Republican every minute.
yeah, and then she'd be the Republican nominee.
Given the way the Clintons have been campaigning, that seems appropriate to me.
I am suprise that Bill Clinton is crittizing the democratic system of proportional representative at this point. It is the same system which nominated him to become the president of America and he did not criticize it. Now that it is going against his wife, the system is not good. Is this a fair politics?
Clinton campaign wished they can change the rules in the middle of the game to their advantage. This is unfair.
Then this is what Hillary should do. Join the Republican Party. If Bill and Hillary don't like the system in the Democractic Party, then get out!
Clinton would also be in a much closer race if Michigan and Florida voters had not been disenfranchised by the DNC and had not Obama's campaign blocked any revotes in those states. However, Obama has a history of dirty politics. ": From a story about how he first gained public office in the Illinois State Senate: (Chicago Tribune April 4, 2007): The day after New Year's 1996, operatives for Barack Obama filed into a barren hearing room of the Chicago Board of Election Commissioners. There they began the tedious process of challenging hundreds of signatures on the nominating petitions of state Sen. Alice Palmer, the longtime progressive activist from the city's South Side. And they kept challenging petitions until every one of Obama's four Democratic primary rivals was forced off the ballot. His overwhelming legal onslaught signaled his impatience to gain office, even if that meant elbowing aside an elder stateswoman like Palmer. A close examination of Obama's first campaign clouds the image he has cultivated throughout his political career: The man now running for president on a message of giving a voice to the voiceless first entered public office not by leveling the playing field, but by clearing it. One of the candidates he eliminated, long-shot contender Gha-is Askia, now says that Obama's petition challenges belied his image as a champion of the little guy and crusader for voter rights. "He talks about honor and democracy, but what honor is there in getting rid of every other candidate so you can run scot-free? Why not let the people decide?" Had Palmer survived the petition challenge, Obama would have faced the daunting task of taking on an incumbent senator. Palmer's elimination marked the first of several fortuitous political moments in Obama's electoral success: He won the 2004 primary and general elections for U.S. Senate after tough challengers imploded when their messy divorce files were unsealed. Hence, his rapid ascent to power…" Check it out!
There are of course those who do not want us to speak. I suspect even now, orders are being shouted into telephones, and men with guns will soon be on their way. Why? Because while the truncheon may be used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power. Words offer the means to meaning, and for those who will listen, the enunciation of truth. And the truth is, there is something terribly wrong with this country, isn't there? Cruelty and injustice, intolerance and oppression. And where once you had the freedom to object, to think and speak as you saw fit, you now have censors and systems of surveillance coercing your conformity and soliciting your submission. How did this happen? Who's to blame? Well certainly there are those more responsible than others, and they will be held accountable, but again truth be told, if you're looking for the guilty, you need only look into a mirror. I know why you did it. I know you were afraid. Who wouldn't be? War, terror, disease. There were a myriad of problems which conspired to corrupt your reason and rob you of your common sense. Fear got the best of you, and in your panic you turned to...
Sounds like wineing to me. Cant stand the heat get out of the kitchen. Maybe you should pay your people instead of stiffing them. This is the way she will run this country. Stiffing us like bush did.
Hmm, that's some rather revealing wishful thinking... Maybe he's suggesting that Hillary switch camps and join her buddy McCain's ticket. Then we can savor this ridiculous mess all the way to the general election. C'mon already, OBAMA BUMBAYE!
Anyway Obama going to lose in general election with John McCain. So, I
think Democratic should not support Obama no more and let Democratic
pick the nominee. Other thing Americans not going to let Obama have a
chance to change America to Islamic. America have to stay as America now. Look at William Ayers and Rev. Wright connection is the problem
that's he not going to win in general election. Still more to come watch out Obama it not done yet, drop out sooner is the better.
I may just be reading too far into this, but is Clinton looking for support from republicans?
also, if somebody tells you that if somebody tells you you can't win they mean to say that you can, that someone is trying to tell you how to think.
I can't understand people who say they're tired of the Bushes AND the Clintons. If I remember correctly the country was pretty well off when there was a CLINTON in the white house...
Oh yes...insinuate a change of rules at the eleventh hour. What a sideshow of desperation.
Using different rules than the general election to select the nominee is stupid. That's why they always lose. They'd better learn this time. If Obama is nominated and cannot win, DNC will come back and wonder. Republicans want Hillary Clinton as the opponents, do you believe them? DNC should really think about it.
Funny, I didnt hear BIll Clinton complaining about the democratic system when Hillary was leading Obama in delegates and the national polls.
besides that, she carries all the blue states. the states obama won are always republican in the GE. so basically he's a spoiler to the entire democratic party. thanks, spoiler.
Hillary 08, 12!
Watch that sniper fire bill
change the rules then you XXXXXX just like you do everything else. what i would love to see is a revote in all the states-billary would be working for NAFTA , oops-$800,000 from what billary is against is not bad pay,especially if you don't have a job because of NAFTA. all the scandals and all the lies and you still get print, un bee leaf a BILL.
stupid arguement....and Mitt Romney would stil be in GOP race if GOP used Democrats rules.....
Yeah right Bill. If we had wings, we could fly. But you know what, you might be right. If you had not let Osama go, we would not be in the mess we are right now. This Clinton campaign will go down in history as an example of how to lose a primary.
You Lying Crook. Nobody cares what you think anymore. Hillary people must have short memories or no intelligence.Are you really that naive or that big a racist? How can you want these disgusting liars back in office. Change the channel. Turn the page please. These 2 have helped get this country where it is today. EVERYTHING they say is a lie. Its no wonder Obama is getting the educated vote. The rest of you are too stupid to think for yourself. I did not have sex with that woman....remember that ??Remember the shame that the oval office was forced to endure.Go home Clintons....
I will vote for HRC when hell freezes over. If she is that good why is it so hard for her to beat Obama? If HC gets the nomination, I will switch party and vote Republican.
Bill you were in WH for 8 years and you are a superdelegate, party leader, what you are saying is Dems choose loosers like you????
Please change your and your family's party
Thanks
Annoyed voter
I used to like Bill.
Stop Whining Bill! You guys will change the rules in a heartbeat. Why didn't Hillary run for the GOP nomination? Bill you have been a disgrace throughout this campaign.
for all you who say... " i am a democrat but i i wont vote for (hillary/obama) if they get the nomination.... WAKE UP. is it really worth sour grapes to have john "my friends" mccain because you are acting like a bratty little child? if you DO abandon your party and vote mccain, i hope you are the first to get wiped out by a medical emergency... i really do. STUPIDS!!!
Does anyone realy pay attention to a disbarred former attorney??? snickering
What actually WOULD have happened, IF the rules were different, is you still would have been out smarted, out fund raised, and out voted by Obama because the American people, at least the educated ones, are tired of the Bush and Cinton polarization of the country. Your two dynastys are coming to an end and the Rovian political model will have to have its torch carried by that old Geezer McCain, who can't seem to remember what he is saying from sentence to sentence.(see latest gaffe) How come Bill is always campaigning hundreds or thousands of miles away from Hillary? Nice "marriage" of convenience. If these two can lie to each other they have no problem lying to the American people.
I smell HYPOCRISY at play here. Bill Clinton won with the present system in '92 and '96 and at that time it was good for us. Now his wife is not leading and the system somehow is not fair. What has happen to people sense of fairness? I guess in the Clinton's world the rules should be changed in the middle of the game to benefit the family. What a sad commentary? Florida and Michigan comes to mind. Everyone including Hillary agreed that those votes from FL and MI will be not honored beacuse they broke party rules. But since she is losing to Obama, she wants the results of those elections honored. What is wrong with these people? Is anybody listening? Democrats need to stand up to these people and tell them like it is. You higer ups need to forget about Clinton being a former president and educate these people that there are decent people in the party who respect the rule of law. The WH belongs to all and it is not an etitlement. Long live the Democratic Party.
I guess I don't understand Bill's dilemma. He's so used to making up the rules and then changing them when they don't suit him, I guess he's wishing he could do that here. Winning is all that there is for his kind, no matter whether it is fair, square or crooked as it comes–doesn't matter to white trash.
Wow, too bad she didn't run for the GOP nomination. The fact is, the Clinton campaign AGREED to the rules put forth by the Democratic National Committee. They didn't suggest changing the rules until it became clear that she couldn't win. Enough whining already. It is time for the both President and Senator Clinton to do what's best for the Democratic party and get out of the race and support the party's nominee.
Change the rules! Change the rules! Hillary can't win fairly, so change the rules to give HER the nomination!
WE ARE NOT TELLING THE CLINTONS TO QUIT.
WE ARE TELLING THEM TO CONDUCT THEMSELVES
WITH SOME SEMBLANCE OF DIGNITY & HONOR.
UNFORTUNATELY, ITS NOT SOMETHING THE CLINTONS
CAN DO. WE FOR CERTAIN, WILL NOT HAVE THEM IN OUR
WHITE HOUSE FOR THE NEXT 4 YEARS.
She is acting like a Republican, why doesn't she leave the Democratic Party and make herself at home with the Republican Party...and take Bill with her? She is helping the GOP with her negativity. She helping them with her war mongering. She is helping them with her anti- Democratic party tactics. Hillary and Bill, you should both be ashamed of yourselves. I, for one, am ashamed of both of you.
Bill and Hillary remind me of Pinky and the Brain. Hillary is always plotting a new way to conquer the election. Unfortunately it all falls flat, and the next day another scheme is hatched. Meanwhile Bill is always getting in the way and otherwise acting generally clueless. "Are you thinking what I'm thinking Billy... ?"
HRC/WJC and her/his campaign agreed to the rules regarding the Democratic Party primaries and how the delegates would be selected–now the HRC campaign is complaining about those very same rules–if HRC was in the same position that Obama is in today, I do not think there would be any whining about how unfair the system is–the Clintons are getting desperate and it is not a pretty picture.
NOW THE CLINTONS WANT TO CHANGE THE DEMOCATIC PROCESS TO BENIFIT THEM. SEN. CLINTON TOOK THIS ELECTION FOR GRANTED BECAUSE SHE WAS LEADING IN ALL THE POLLS BEFORE THE PRIMARY SEASON STARTED, SHE THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO BE AN EASY VICTORY FOR HER. HILLARYS HEALTHPLAN IS NOT FAIR TO PEOPLE WHO DONT WANT IT BUT SHE IS GOING TO TAKE FROM OUR PAYCHECK. I ALSO THINK THAT OBAMAS HEALTHPLAN ISNT GOOD. WHY DONT THEY IMPROVE THE PUBLIC HEALTHCARE SYSTEMS FOR LOW INCOME FAMILIES AND SINGLES NATION WIDE AND ITS TERRITORIES.
OBAMA 08
Incredible – they will try anything to win... the Democrats were complaining about the Electoral College in 2000 when Gore won the popular vote, but lost the electoral vote, and now Bill wants to try to use a similar system to decide the primary – anything to win, I guess. How much longer are we going to have to listen to these two??? I am tired of this "win at any cost" strategy!
Have you check the Hufftington Post today? is very interesting to see Ed Randell at church with Farrahkan.
Well considering most of the country hates the electoral college, I am glad to be apart of a system that actually represents the views of the people, and not just the majority. The electoral college must be disbanded, if we are to have a true democracy. Its because of the electoral college that we got Bush in the first place. Our country might not be in the state that it is in if Gore was our president.
Obama Richardson 08!!
HAHA
If your afraid of the rules that come with the contact sport, keep your uniform off Mr. President.....OOPS! I guess you kinda did that already
Note to self: dont reference bill clinton and sports!!!
Right. Under Republican rules, we'd be hearing daily about Monica, Whitewater, Vince Foster, cattle futures, the vast right wing conspiracy, disbarment, eleventh hour pardons, theft of the White House silver, etc. ad nauseum. Because Obama is a gentleman and a party loyalist, we've heard nothing of the sort. The ONLY reason this nomination has taken so long is that Hillary is throwing every nasty she can conjure up at Obama, while he remains as gentle as possible in return. If Obama fought under the same Republican rules as Hillary, she would have been humiliated toast by Super Tuesday.
My suggestion- why does not she choose republican party in 2012..and run against Obama again???
If Obama people didn't know that, then that shows how out of touch they are. Obama would not even be in the running in the general election. The young Obamaians need to study how this systems works in the fall election. McCain vs. Obama will be a landslide for McCain. Hillary should win in the fall if she can carry Ohio and Florida. Remember people popular vote counts for nothing in the fall, only electoral votes. Obamaians think that he should be the winner, they need to look at the states that Hillary won, and add the electoral vote up, also the states that Hillary has won are the larger states and have more super delegates that the smaller one. Spilt the super’s up like they should be and Hillary is the winner, cry foul Obamaians but he just hasn’t done enough to win. If Hillary wins in Pa. Obama needs to just quit and go home.
But if we were going by GOP standards, she won't even be in the race.
but I see your point bill. the problem is those are the rules so let's make sure you reform this with hillary the next time around because it's going to be mccain for the next 4 years.
I used to have respect for Bill Clinton. Now, hearing him talk, he makes my stomach churn.
This man will spin, twist, manipulate, and distort reality to serves his means.
You're right, Mr. Clinton, if the DNC were operating by GOP rules, perhaps Hillary may have the nomination. But, and now here's the kick... the DNC is NOT operating by GOP rules – and so Hillary will have to work within the system that she agreed to at the onset of the primary race...
Or would ya'll like to try to change the rules mid way, eh, Mr. Clinton?
Stick to the issues, and stop your spin. The American people are getting repulsed by your actions, Bill.
Or better yet, Hillary, stop your scorched-Earth campaign and bow out with dignity.
Oh, that's right, you have no dignity...
Here it goes...what you are saying is if we were more like the GOP...okay stop there...do we really want to be like the GOP....and next so what you are saying is forget about what the people want...notice he did not mention the popular vote...lets let those that have run the country into the ground decide who should be president....I can not believe this statement even came out of his mouth....I am so sick of their whinning about everything....Please PA end the agony and put this women to bed....
Citizen Voter to Bill:
Hillary would be winning if you all had not discounted so many of the earlier races; states SHE has said, "dont' matter."
Will somebody make the Clintons go away? I'm so sick of them I could puke.
That's Bill's way of saying "we're outta here."
If the GOP's way is better why did he become a president with a Democratic party's stlye?
Now that it finally dawned on them that they can't win – no matter the Clintons loyalty factor, well, it's time to pack the bags and head home.
Good thinking Bill. You already have the Oval Office on your resume. Your wife can say she has somebody who has the Oval Office on his resume. At least one in the family got it.
Hit home.
Rules is rules ... what a jerk. Please oh please, can't these people just go away? They have all but ruined the Democrat party. He is responsible for what we have now with the neocons and Bush - think about it... The Clinton Presidency and its psychodrama is the reason this county is at this completely screwup point 8 years later. Hello PEOPLE - stop and think. The last thing we need is these two back in the white house. And I vote for this guy - twice!!! What a jerk. Please just go away! AAAUUUGGGHHH!!!!
Bill – I USED TO like you; but you have become a pathetic joke – Ex-Presidents are supposed to go off into the sunset with dignity – But you have become a laughing stock to many – very sad.
Hey Billiary – some words of advice – "if you tell the truth you never have to remember what you said."
But I know, the word "truth" is NOT in your vocabulary; very sad for an EX-president!
So go join the Republican party whiner. LOL
Who is Barack Obama? We don't know him? his 3 A is from his church. Remember when Obama answered John McCain about AlQaida, his answer just like his pastor comment about AlQaida.
I love Hillary Clinton, just first time I saw her. Why did she not run as a president.
Make Obama as a president just make more a problem for Americans poeple. We will not concern about the real issue but this country will talk about who is real Obama. It will never ending. Anerica will pay high price pay for choosing Obama
HILLARY THEN SHOULD HAVE RUN AS A REPUBLICAN.
SHE VOTES AS ONE & THEY ARE WELCOME TO HER.
It's good to know that ole' Bill and Hill will soon be gone.
Hillary It Is A Honor Voting For You !!!! , Thank You , For Supporting My Family , My Values And This Great Country . God Bless .
HILLARY 08"
I AM A DEMOCRAT
I JUST DONT UNDERSTAND WHY WE DONT USE THE SAME
FORMULA AS THE ELECTORAL MAP AND RNC IN SELECTING
OUR NOMINEE...
THE SILENT MAJORITY OF DEMOCRATS ARE UPSET WITH
FLORIDA AND MICHIGAN AND HOW OBAMA KEPT QUIET...
HE IS NOT OUR LEGIT NOMINEE AND HE CANT WIN IN NOV
BECUZ HIS VICTORIES ARE IN REPUBLICAN STATES EXCEPT
HIS HOME STATE OF ILLINOIS...
I WILL VOTE IN NOV FOR EITHER HILLARY OR MCCAIN
But this is not a gop contest. maybe hillary should join the gop.
Hillary wins "big states", but not by "big margins", and most of those states will vote Democratic anyway regardless of whose name is on the ticket, if Barack does get the nomination over her, when the General Election comes around and Hillary's name isn't there, most of them will vote for him. I myself will vote democratic this election no matter if Hillary or Barack is on the ballot. I think everybody just needs to chill out, this has turned into a popularity contest or sporting event, we should be having arguments about the candidates' issues, which in reality, aren't really that different.
moving those goal posts again?
RIGHT ON BILL-–YOU TELL IT LIKE IT IS -–WE NEED THE CLINTONS BACK IN THE WHITE HOUSE TO PUT OUR COUNTRY BACK WHERE IT BELONGS---OBAMA WOULD BE A STEP BACKWARDS--WE DON'T NEED A PRESIDENT STILL USING HIS TRAINING WHEELS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I guess Hillary should run for the Republican nomination. She'd fit in fine right Bill?
Yeah...and if Hillary Clinton was winning, he would accuse the republican system as un-democratic.
The truth is, Bill prefers a less democratic system that favors his wife.
Bill Clinton is an idiot. And so his his wife. And it seems they are teaching their daughter the Clinton playbook as well.
The Clintons = Pathetic
Sad
Thats why its the democratic party
He is trying to make up an exucse and a reason so the Super's can endorse her
They're just trying to break us all down so that we (Obama supporters) will go away. Guess what, Bill, we're not going away. In fact we're going to follow all of this with great scrutiny so you & your wife can't get back ito the white house unless it's done fairly.
You thought being the president aged you? Just wait til you've gotten through this summer!
I thought Hillary was a Republican.
Obama played by the rules that were set. Now the Clintons are complaining about the rules because they are LOSING. Werent they just talking about who can take the heat? Look, its like this. Before Iowa Hillary had everything on her side. Democratic money, former President, house hold name, the list goes on and on. A skinny black guy with a funny name was able to inspire millions to the cause. Now, the Dem party is inploding. They are using their former pres and first lady to bash their only hope for the nomination. Now how smart is that?
Who the heck cares? We all can do what if situations! If her last name wasn't CLINTON, Obama would already be the nominee! See how easy it is to manipulate the what if or if it was scenario!
Hillary Clinton
is a FIGHTER
Even with these distrous Howard Dean-DNC rules, she will still pull it off.
INDIANA
4
HILLARY
If the way we elected our delegates was different, then the campaigns would have been run differently. Don't insult my intelligence, Mr. Clinton.
And Bill, if we were in England, Hillary would be crowned Queen. The thing is we are the Democratic Party and these are our rules, the same rules that you won by. Hillary maybe should run as McCain's Republican Veep since both she and you prefer their ways. She seems to abide better to the dirty campaign tactics of the Republicans.
Has anybody wondered about Hillary's electability? She is considered not trustworthy by 58% of Americans – is that right? I love the argument that Obama is closing the gap in PA due to money. If I were a superdelegate and currently an elected figure, I would love to be on Obama's team and benefit from the same fundraising. Raising money is part of the game and Obama is winning that game – you don't think the superdelegates know come November that Obama will dominate McCain in spending? The Clintons already claim money is important in getting support so come November better vote Obama. Note I am an independent and undecided however listening to the Clinton logic is painful – no wonder Obama wins the intelligent vote.
I am voting for Abama. McCane scares me. He has the presence of all the thing my parents warn me to stay clear of. They say he has a temper. They wont release his medical records, he will most likely not make thru a full term. Hillary does play it any way she can do win, that’s also frightening to me. Abama seams to have been on the defensive, telling me if you need to attack, then there's something they are affaid of. i personally like Abama, I really think he for the people. From what I have herd, alot of the money for his campaign comes from a lot of supports. That says something. Here I have written the view of a simple carpenter.
Bill,
Do you even know what you say sometimes...any way you can spin this to make it look like your pathetic liar of a wife would win??? Wake up!!! this is the democratic party race...not the republican race that your wife has entered in to..how many votes does she need to become John McShame's VP???
I really hope shes loses tomorrow..what am I saying, she has already lost!!!
So, It was all peachy keen when it worked for YOU, but when it's not overwhelmingly tilting in your wife's favor...then it's a flawed system. Who's whining now? Mr.Clinton...stop.
And yet .... another metric !
Pathetic! If you don't like the rules, don't play.
Will this ever end?????????????????????? Let's face it we are doomed as a nation.
Anyone but Clinton or McCain
i had respect for mr. clinton up until his wifes campain that is. These "SUPER" delegates need to end this mess unless they want to keep all the huge tax breaks that mcain will continue, maybe those rich "SUPER" delegates want the tax breaks to continue
just to let the guy who made a comment about the caucus in Texas that he did not go to but his .. i qoute "friend" went to where all the obama supporters made his friend leave because they were yelling and rude and he goes on to say thats the only reason we won.....are you seriously making that comment... our caucus ran smooth despite the few out bursts from clinton supportes...when they realized they were loosing.....furthermore the caucus exisit so people who are truly involved with politics get a chance to be seen and heard!!!!
Well, heck, how would she be doing if she were running under the rules of the Green Party, or any other party. Confirms all my suspicions that Bill Clinton is secretly a blithering idiot.
Most Votes
Most States
Most Delegates
Most Money
Get It silly Billiary!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Obama o8
I used to be Obama supporter, after I heard his comments about bitterness, his pastor, the way he handled these issues. First lieing that he never heard of those statements later agreed that he did. How can he lie, if he lies now how can we trust his presidency. His judgement in all these cases is very poor. We don't really know him, as time goes we are getting to know who really is. He can say rhetoric all he wants, all tis rhetoric sppech is alo borrowed, how can he manage our country & fix our issues.
Didn't she start out as a Republican?
Hilliary had the money, the demo estab and the exp of participating in her husband national campaign. Hillary's money is gone, the demo estab is leaving her and her husband participation is killing her campaign. Accept the fact that Hillary has ran a bad bankrupt campaign.
I used to respect the Linton's very much, but after what i have seen and heard since this elections started, it's very amazing how they think that they're entitled to the presidency. it's very vital now that it's either them or the republicans, and that's a very self-centered attitude. the rules are good only when they work in your favour? what a joke from Hillbillschesels. It's a shame and a disgrace for the american people.
Most Votes
Most States
Most Delegates
Most Money
Get It silly Billiary!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Obama o8
Post my comment Pleeezzzzzzzz
How about the popular vote? Obama is winning BIG in that category. The electoral college is a flawed system. It's the reason we have Bu**sh** as president. Obama has earned his spot as the front-runner and soon-to-be winner of this race. Now, Bill, if you would please just shut up.
Obama '08
Obama and his arrogant persona will turn away all the Independents and the college students with the youth vote are seeing this arrogance and are turning from him also.
Talking down to people seem to be the character that superceeds his intentions and maybe that in itself will be his downfall.
Jim said it best for me:
Jim April 21st, 2008 11:08 pm ET
Bill is right. In fact Obama is ahead because of all his wins in those states that will undoubtedly vote Republican in the general election. In state by state match ups in the key swing states Hillary beats McCain whearas Obama doesn't. It will come back to bite the Dems in the general election if they nominate Obama. As a Democrat, I for one will not be voting for him.
My friends that were for Obama are calling me daily to say how disappointed they are in Senator Obama...especially since he's gone more negative on Senator Clinton.
I can't believe it's come to this. Spin, spin, spin. Bottom line: Obama's ahead and we're not Republicans. Gee, Bill, what if the table were turned? Would you be so insightful then? Please, please, please, Pennsylvanians, vote for Obama so we can end this thing.
Yes Mr. Clinton, you are right. It seems rather interesting that all of a sudden you find the Republicans so intriguing. First it would be better to use their system, then airing a t.v. add playing to people's fears, just like Republicans do. Oh by the way Mr. Clinton, he would still be ahead in the popular vote. This all makes sense to me now. The Clinton's will do anything to win the election. 1) They said Obama couldn't beat McCain, then said he would be a good vice president, 2) Complained about the rules in regards to Michigan and Florida. 3) Lied to the American public(rings a bell dosen't it?) 4.) Laughs and jeers their fellow Democratic opponent. 5) Played the race card and now just recently the gender card to Ann Curry 6) Need I say more? Do the math all you disillusioned Clinton supporters. If she won every remaining state 60-40 and won over half the remaining super delegates she would just squeak by with a win and that is leaving out the fact that he would still have the popular vote. Enough of this, lets show her the door and come together to accomplish more than fear and division, which seems to be alright with Clintons as long as it means winning. He has my vote now and in November. To quote an old president (Bill Clinton), play to peoples hopes rather than their fears and you will win their vote. Well Mr. Obama you have my vote tomorrow in Philadelphia.
Ok Bill! Since Hillary would be winning if it was under Republican rules and since she seems to want to be a conservative why don't you both switch parties and maybe she can run on the Republican ticket in 2012. You hobnobbed with Republicans George W. and George H. Bush for awhile so since you both are in the elitist group now join them.
Then why the hell doesn't she be a Republican once and for all?! Make it official! We'll be more than happy with that switch. Thank you Billary!
OBAMA '08
For those that state Hillary is winning the states that the Republicans will win.... well, please take a break from that Clinton Kool-aid Pitcher, wipe the purple off your upper lip and actually read intelligent articles (of which there have been many – search engines can be your friend, honest) that have repeatedly debunked that claim.
As an example, who among you REALLY believe California will go Republican?
Well Bill, if your wife didn't have the Clinton name, and you were not a former President , oh wait, a former Impeached President. then Hillary may not be where she is in this race right now. Pretty much everyone in America knows you and your wife. The Democratic voting system worked for Bill when he ran. For him to say his wife would have already won if they voted like the GOP is a non-issue. They don't vote that way. The issue is Hillary, with the Clinton name, and riding on her hubby's coat-tails has NOT YET, probably cannot, lock in the nomination.
Then you take Obama, a virtually unknown 15 months ago, who has locked in more states won, more delegates won, and more of the popular vote.
Just going against the "Clinton" name alone and coming out ahead is a huge win. Now add in all the negativity from one's own party, ALL the Clinton's campaigning, and the spokes people for the Clinton campaign who can't seem to answer any direct questions, you take that all into consideration. and I think Obama is ahead in ways Hillary never will be.
This is to "Jim" . You are saying that if Obama becomes the Democratic nominee. That Democrats will abandon there party, and not vote for him. That is ludicrous. He has been honorable in the way he has run in this race. He has done nothing to tear down the party unlike his rival.
This is another STUPID thing said by our Ex-President!!
HELLO!!!!! Hillary IS NOT in the GOP, the Democrats have thier own rules and the Clintons are constantly trying to change/reinterpert them.
The fact of the matter is Hillary has had a POORLY ran campaign and in all likelihood going to LOSE...DEAL WITH IT!!!
Wow! According to Bill, Hillary would be winning if:
this were a republican race.
this was a primary and not a caucus
this was not sexist
this was not racist
this was counting the two states that didn't follow the rules
this was not negative
this was not unfair
this was not a media plot
this was decided by electoral votes
this was not decided by popular vote
this was not decided by delegates
this was not decided by traitors like Richardson
this was not people picking on Hillary
winning? Bill, it sounds an awful lot like whining to me.
HIllary is so full of hypocracy, she grew up in this rich suburb of Chicago. Went to one of the best High Schools in the State and pretty much grew with a silver spoon in her mouth. She grew up a Republican and she is now showing her true colors. Go and join the GOP that is where you and Bill belong.
Obama is winning the popular vote with Dems., yet, according to Bill, Hillary would win in the electoral battle. Sounds an awful lot like the 2000 presidential election, and I wasn't too pleased with that result.
To All Who Promise to Vote for McCain if their candidate of choice does not win: What does that really say about you?? Hillary and Barack are virtually the same on the issues. So what are you voting on? Do you want our sons and daughters in Iraq for years and years to come? Do you want everything to stay status quo? What will you be gaining by doing that? I think you know the answer..."nothing!" It will be 4 more years of the same Republican oppression.
It surpises me that people would vote for Clinton. After all of Bush's lies and how some many countries have lost respect for the States because of them, why would you want another liar in as president. She has been caught in so many lies its unbelieveable. Good Luck to Obama
I once had the greatest admiration for the clintons but with all their lies and dishonesty to the American people, I have lost all respect for them. At a time when America need honesty and real leadership, the Clintons are recklessly underming and exploiting the good of America for their own selfish political ambition.
Obama 08.
That's a pretty big "if"...
If the Democratic system was used to select the president, then Al Gore would be president. Gore won the popular vote. Think about that Bill
Would she do us all a favor and please switch to the GOP. She already has done enough for them for the next 20 years. Just think Bill you guys could make History once again. The Clinton's get impeached from both parties.
Please PA I beg of you to make us proud and don't be a miror image of the States on either side of you. The press is saying you can't think for yourself and can only follow not lead. This is your chance to make a difference.....unless Hillary has intimidated you to!!!
it is sick to see comments on the other article about Hillary launching ad with laden's images in it. Barak supporters are making vile comments because they think its a negative tactic! HAVE THEY ALL FORGOTTEN THAT THERE ARE TWO WARS ON AND THE PERPETRATOR OF 9/11- YES, LADEN- IS STILL OUT??? Since when did tracking and going after our enemies became bad politics? I tell you, the fluff has taken over and removed barak's supporters from reality and dumped them in the make-belief world of fluffy words! I hope CNN publish these comments- normally, it throws in a couple of pro-Hillary comments and closes the article for comments. It is the whole Bush-story again- that time it was the right media was blinded; this time its the looney left!
Democrats need to start acting like Republicans, unified and for the common good our the party. Democrats act like spoiled children, everybody wants their own way. Hillary should have had her turn and then Obama, but noooo, we had to pit one against the other and now we have this mess. Look how "Democrats" have turned against the Clintons, judging by reading these blogs, as good as they were for this country. Republicans would never villify Reagan or any other Republcan's legacy this way. You wonder why we can't win elections.
I noted with some dismay that all the experts gave hints today as to why people might not vote for Obama and what dirty tricks the GOP might use against him. Yet, it was Mrs. Clinton, who voted to race into Iraq and in effect, bring in al Qaeda, turn Iraq over to Iran on a silver platter, create a trillion dollar bill for the tax payers and create a black hole in Iraq from which America cannot escape. None of these things are being cited by any of you to remind the voters her huge mistakes. Her mistakes have caused people’s lives and livelihoods. She helped to create the bitter people, whose bitterness she now hopes to cash in on.
Additionally, she will never be able to overcome the specter, which the GOP will surely gender up run ceaselessly, of Bill Clinton chasing interns around the White House as well as surreptitiously answering that Red Phone, when it rings. With Mrs. Clinton, I fear, we will see a landslide of George McGovern’s experience. But, just maybe that ‘s the agenda.
Wake up–all of you people of hate. Can't you understand what he's saying? It may not be the GOP now, but in the General Election you will play with the NEW RULES. There will be a different way to select a winner. If this had been the General Election, she would have already won. Obama can't win in the General Election!!!!! It is far from a Caucus. Also, I refuse to bite the hand of the President who created so many jobs in the 90's, gave us the Family Leave Plan, turned the deficit into a surplus, supported equal pay for women, and finally, was the first to do something about deadbeat DADS. That's why every new employee has to be reported to the Dept of Human Services now. Maybe, this pertains to a lot of you angry men of hate. Bill Clinton was one of the best Presidents I have seen in my lifetime. I had a very hard time, as a single mother, until he became President. My daughter feels the same way. Most of you are probably African American or first time voters, but, I say "Walk a mile in my shoes or the shoes of most single mothers, and you will want results that will benefit your child or children. The color or age of the canditate won't matter. I believe that Obama is too arrogant and out of touch with older people in general, but especially older women. He hasn't shown that he even cares about their vote. He has mostly gone for the school age first-time voters that really haven't had a taste of life and how hard it is.
Oh come on! Okay Bill, I know this is hard for you to understand but the GOP rules are not the rules Hillary is running under! I know that you feel that rules don't really apply to you but the democratic party luckily doesn't agree with you. Too bad you can't influence your way out of the rules.
She should run as a republican in 2012!
Nice spin Bill!! After IA Hills campaign has come up with more spin, more negativism and more and more Karl Rove playback tactics. Boy the rich people are going to be unhappy when Obama gets the nomination and they see their TAXES going up. (Like it will really hurt them)..... I'm 61 and for Obama but this whole campaign is getting sickening. Drop out Clinton and lets get down to the real nitty – gritty.
So, instead of whining about it, why not just join the Republican Party? The Clintons have already been acting like it, anyway. Then in 2012, Obama can hand Hillary her butt on a platter all over again, this time in the general election when she runs against him as the Republican nominee, and he wins re-election in a landslide.
Mabye Hillary should become a freaking republican.
IF ifs and buts were candy and nuts, we would all have a merry christmas.
Face it, if they were running with GOP rules, Obama would have run a different strategic campaign. Obama has played by the rules put in place. Hillary has constantly acted like Karl Rove in trying to constantly change the rules after the fact when she didn't like the results.
She has continually lied, played the very same GW/Rove politics that we have bashed for 8 years, she has proven she will do anything for power including fantasizing about sniper fire that never happened in speeches, having people in her campaign spam emails that are full of lies trying to play on the fears and racism that we bashed GW for after 9/11 and in 2004, flip flopped like no one since I watched the IHOP cook sunday morning on trade while making $800k on it with Bill, $300k for her chief strategist, and sending a fundraiser to tell Canadians not to listen to her tough talk on trade.
If all the democrats want is a left wing GW/Rove who is only loyal to friends and special interests, corruption, lying to justify their actions, having no ethics, etc., then what is the point of voting for a major party? Might as well vote 3rd party rather than sell our souls against our own self-interests.
Then the Clintons should switch to the Republican party. I don't remember Bill whining about how Democratic primaries are counted when he was running.
And if I could design the game after I lost so that my score would put me ahead, I would be the nominee. How low can Bill take the office of Presidency ... I thought it was over when he got blown
"People suffering economically in small towns get bitter and cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment" to explain their frustration."
Barack Obama, "Unifier"
“Religious suffering is at the same time an expression of real suffering and a protest against real suffering. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the sentiment of a heartless world, and the soul of a soulless condition. It is the opium of the people.”
Carl Marx, Father of Socialism
Obama would just change his tactics to win again. What if doesn't count because both sides would change how they do things. How stupid do you think everyone is.
So go join the Republican Party and good luck!
Lol, you listen to more of Bill and Hil's stupidity and wonder again ...Why do so many Democrats bow down to them?
between the debt of her campaign and bills wishing we played by gop rules, i have had enough. my god i am a democrat, stop this insanity fellow dems. make a stand for sensibility and vote for our beliefs, not clintons rule changing BS.
Hillary would be willing if Democratic primaries were like the electoral college...because the electoral college seems to be such a logic powerhouse...
Yes and if frogs had wings they wouldn't bounce their butts on the ground. LOL
Well, well, well. The excuses have already begun and Hillary hasn't even lost yet. Maybe she should switch back to the GOP. If you can't take the heat then get out of the kitchen.
If Hillary would have sealed the deal by super Tuesday, she wouldn'
t have said nothing about the voters of Michigan and Florida. She only started wanting to count MI and FL votes when she fell behind. Just to think of it, Hill actually agreed to not campain MI and FL because both states moved their primary's up. So she was willing to disenfranchise voters then, so why all of sudden with the change of heart.
He's right. If you hold everything the same she'd be ahead right now. The problems here are, of course:
a) Obama has run a much better campaign than Clinton has. Does anyone really think that if the rules were different Obama and his campaign wouldn't have adapted to the different rules? It would be like saying "well if we only counted the states that went D in the last general election Hilary would be winning". Of course she would be but Obama would have campaigned much differently under a different set of rules.
b) Democrats were up in arms over the electoral college vs. popular vote screw up in 2000. What would it look like if the same party that complained so strongly ended up electing the candidate that had far fewer popular votes?
All of you people who are screaming "I'll vote for John McCain if my Democrat doesn't win!" should be ashamed of yourself. You say you want out of the war and want changes made to the economy? You think you'll get that with McCain? I doubt it.
Get over your egos. When it comes to the issues Barack and Hillary are pretty much on the same page. The execution may be different but they both seem to care about moving beyond what we are currently dealing with. An administration that thinks the Constitution is a piece of toilet paper and that the lives of the citizens (below the upper 3 percent) are disposable.
Hillary has too big a ego to step down gracefully. All she knows is to backstab and lie.Who would want that to lead a country
Bill Clinton sounds as if he would favor undemocratic rules. The fact is, the Republican system is unfair in many ways to voters who vote for the other guy. The rules the Democrats use aren't perfect for their nomination process, but to think someone winning by only 51% to 49% is somehow deserving of all the delegates from a state is hardly logical.
I guess that's the whole point though, if the Democratic primaries were winner-take-all, the people in small states and states that don't "matter," wouldn't matter as much as "big" states. That would have taken care of that troublemaker Obama, who had the nerve to come along and start winning the popular vote, electoral delegates, superdelegates and dominate the national poll numbers, total states won and campaign treasure chests while eating into her 20-30+ point advantages in her key states (Like PA).
Ask yourselves this question, if Hillary was still losing under the winner-take-all rules in an alternate world, would Bill Clinton still suggest winner-take-all states are better than porpotionate? Of course not.
As a Canadian, I think the Electoral College has its own issues as well. The artificial electoral votes (points) poorly represent the will of the people (popular vote) making candidates focus on swing states only. I know it was designed to off balance high density areas of population, but it's just too artificial causing even bigger problems.
By the way, I think it's deplorable how negative this campaign has become and how sad it is when people don't research anything. Sure both sides are getting negative, but I saw one side (Obama) try to keep above it for months and stay mostly factual and honest. If you do one ounce of research his arguments and explanations hold up. While on the other side, (HRC) they use arguments which are disproven or seen as hypocritical within three seconds of thinking back to previous statements made by them or blatant evidence. Unfortunately people take everything their candidate, the media or a close one says as truth without exploring things further.
Liar...They would eat her alive. Every lie would be exposed, they've been preparing for her for 6years and they're ready... but lovely barack threw the curve ball...so now they just don't know what to do. and bill get ready to go to jail this september, hillary won't be able to presidential pardon you for your financial corruption trial in september.
Lets see, Bill and Hi trash the prominent African American that the Democratic party has been boosting the profile of. They trash their party leadership. they trash the last two Democratic Pres nominee's (Gore/Kerry). They trash the caucus system they helped set up. Now they are trashing the rest of the Democratic party nomination system....WOW! And Democrats love em to death ...Lol
Let me guess; going to try to change the rules now? Obama still has the popular vote. I'm sure it's ticking you guys off that he is doing so well. Maybe it's time for someone other than a Clinton and Bush to be in the White House.
Now that the race is as close as it is, Obama is probably wishing he had convinced his surrogates to get PA to also move it's primary up earlier than what was initially permitted by the DNC. This would have permitted him to take a fully paid, free ride to the Convention without spending the gobs of cash he spent in PA. With FL, PA and MI having the most older voters (in QTY, not % as MI doesn't rank 3rd as percent), Obama doesn't want those states to count in the primary and likely hopes those voters won't make it to the polls in Nov.
But guess what, they're not getting any younger or any more liberal six months from now than they currently are! If he loses even one of these states, or Ohio, and I think he will lose at least 3 out of 4 of those states–possibly all 4–in the general election, he will become a statistic.... a leading candidate to almost become President. Yes, he'll get to appear on Oprah twice a year until 2012 as she helps him rebuild his war chest for the next race, but he will lose in 2008 against McCain.
Wake up America! I truly believe Obama is sincere, genuine and wants to bridge divided sides together. But he has been strongly endorsed by too many people that are out of touch with America. Elites of the Democratic Party who are VERY LIBERAL. John Kerry, his wife Theresa, Ed Kennedy, the Daley Machine, Jan Schakowsky, Nancy Pelosi, Jesse Jackson and the "neutral" DNC Chair Howard Dean. There are numerous others, whom the press downplays, instead focusing on central figures who also support him such as Sebelius and Richardson (that by the way was only strategic to benefit the party to not lose all Latinos in the general election if Obama wins–why do you think he waited to endorse until after his state was won by Clinton??? ) We need to give Obama a chance to prove himself in a different capacity that he actually achieves change on both sides of the aisle and change in WDC.... which by the way, you've got to wonder why he hasn't attempted any change since he's been in the U.S. Senate.... Why hasn't anyone asked this question?
HERE'S WHAT I PREDICT:
Once the general election begins and if Obama is the Democratic candidate, Republicans will multiply the dirt found thus far by the Clintons by 100 to offset McCain's gaffe comment about being in Iraq another 100 years. No American over 60 in states besides IL is going to vote for Obama and most over 40 will likely still choose McCain, especially Latinos in FL, TX, AZ, NM and CA. With Schwarzenegger being a popular Governor of CA, with McCain's moderate stance on tax issues and social issues, his superior stance on foreign policy and his renegade tactics even within his own party to question ill-thought policies or procedures, Obama might even lose the motherlode state of CA delegates! He'd get crushed in such an outcome.
McCain will win more of Hillary's supporters than Obama would win, which gives him the edge. And he would win less of Obama's supporters if he were to run against Clinton. You crunch the numbers. Only 5-10% in total aggregate votes is likely to be just enough to get Hillary to win states like FL, PA, OH and NJ against McCain, states in which he'd likely win by those margins or better against Obama. And she may even barely win states like AR, TN, MI and MO against McCain, ones Obama would lose. She might even win AZ (McCain's own homestate) and NM against McCain, which Obama would lose. Yes, she will lose AK, KS, UT, MT, ID, SD, ND, NE, MS, WY, AL, but so will Obama! Both will lose TX as well, although Hillary's pull on the Latino vote would force McCain to spend limited resources there to win TX, whereas, he'd need to spend no cash there to win against Obama. Yes, Obama may win CO, IA, WI and OR against McCain, states that Hillary would likely lose to McCain, but is that enough to make up his shortages?
These are very tough choices for superdelegates to make the ultimate decision. Do they continue to lose elections with elite, out-of-touch candidates like Al Gore, Howard Dean (we almost drank the kool-aid on that candidate!) and John Kerry? Or do superdelegates vote for the candidate who will win the general election? Yes, these former presidential candidates are all interesting, eccentric intellectuals, but Obama is just more packaged and polished. Will his new, fad-like appeal fade as buyer's remorse sits in over the summer? Can Democrats take this risk? Go ahead, but it will just push our country into further debt as McCain leads us into the next forest.
The DNC created this mess, now they want to end it early. If..they had allowed Florida and Michigan to have their primary when they wanted we wouldnt have that problem.
If they had said all Primaries had to be over by May 1, there wouldn't be a question where we are now. All states have the right to vote to select their candidate. Its not fair to change the rules in midstream.
The DNC has been so busy trying to control the outcome of this race we all have a real mess on our hands and its all their fault.
Poor leadership and stupid decisions on the part of the DNC,not either of the candidates that are still standing and all democrats will pay the price. Back off DNC and let it take the course you set for the selection of the candidate. If you feel you have to correct any of your mistakes, you better fix them all.
OBAMA LOVERS STOP HATING
the man has a point PERIOD!
you have to stop denying FACTS!
and another fact is after she wins PA and you count in every americans vote. SHES WINNING THE TOTAL POPULATION VOTE TOO
so if you want to keep on crying,
Go cry on Jeremiah Wrights shoulder,
How racist can someone be, and obama not even notice it.
If he is president, our country gets bombed.. would he notice it?
If Hillary is the right MAN for the job why is Bill campaigning for her.
It is always a problem when you are losing the competion, Billary will want the ruls to favour them and when its doesn't it will be criticized.
Everything is wrong when his wife lost and every vote count when Hillary won, but when Barry Obama wins , its should not count or not important.
Typical Bill wants Hillary to win at all cost.
That is the reason I think Hillary will run for the Republican in the next election. She and Bill will destroy the democrats and switch to Republican.
And that's the reason we should either get rid of the electoral college or award it proportionally.
Al Gore lost with approx 500, 000 more votes
It Kerry would have won Ohio, Bush would have lost with approx 2.5 mil more votes.
If the DNC was using the winner takes all systems, Obama who is up in the popular votes would be losing the delegate vote.
How can we preach democracy to others when ours needs updating.
Bill, all the what "IF's" in the world would not resolve this right now. Only the facts sir and they are that she is not winning. If you want to play by the GOP rules then maybe you should join the GOP simple as that. But since this is not the GOP, put a sock in it will ya. You all can not seem to balance your nomination campaign budget (you have already run that into the red), what makes you think we want you messing with our National Budget. America has your (the Clinton) numbers and we really do not particularily care for the way they are adding up.
That's because Hillary is a Republican. I don't remember Bill whining about the rules in 92 and 96.
I guess that depends on what your definition of IF IS?! Oh the big IF. If the Clingons would go away we wouldn't have to listen to all their excuses day after day; if Mr. Clingon would shut his mount, maybe the earths temperature would go down some; if Mrs Clingon would put a bag over Mr Clingon's head she sure would do the world a big favor!
If your had the FL and MI Hillary would be ahead on all counts and the automatic delegates need to consider this fact.
Democrats will prove they are indeed the DUMBOCRATS if they put up Obama as their nominee.
Only DUMBOCRATS would think that you do not need EXPERIENCE or KNOWLEDGE to be the President of the United States.
Only DUMBOCRATS would think that all you need to be the President of the United States is a big mouth promising change that you have not done your entire life till you run for President.
Only DUMBOCRATS would think that the the Presidency of the United States is a job that does not require EXPERIENCE and KNOWLEDGE from its applicants.
DUMBOCRATS YOU ARE ALRIGHT.
AND DUMBOCRATS DESERVE TO LOSE THE GENERAL ELECTION IN NOVEMBER.
So wait, let me get this right. The argument I'm hearing in the posts is that Hillary can win against McCain in certain states because she has gotten more electoral votes there in the Democratic Primaries? And who is she running against currently, another Democrat?
Yeah, because beating another democrat in the same state = beating a republican in that state. How about we look past the system and look at what the people want.
Let's try this on for size, we should go with the candidate that has the biggest following, the better message and a chance at unifying the country, not tearing it apart? If we could pick one candidate and all the voters (new and old) can come together, then the GOP has no chance! Why are we fighting amongst ourselves?
Now, let's face facts. She is out of it! It is mathematically impossible that she wins. Do you really think the DNC is going to put her on the ticket if she has less electoral votes, less popular votes, is already having problems with campaign money, is not making friends with the "higher-ups", but happens to get the most superdelgates?
It's been a good battle, but it's over. The longer this goes on, the worse it is going to get. It's a shame really, we had a good chance at doing something good this election, but we can't even keep from tripping over our own feet.
Bill does have a point on how the dems need to look at the way they appoint delegates.
The Clintons have gone from being laughable to being downright pathetic. This all boils down to Hillary NOT being ready from day one.
She failed to win the most states, she failed to win the most delegates, she failed to win the popular vote, she failed to raise enough money to re-energize her campaign, she failed to run an organized campaign...she failed, she failed, she failed. Why would the American people want this person to run our country? Aren't we in bad enough shape as it is?
I'm backing a leader with a vision, new ideas who knows how to inspire a new generation to change the world. Thank God for the Democratic system.
Obama 2008!!!
This reminds me of the movie Big Daddy where the kid is playing cards with the adults, and every hand he screams "I win!" When quizzed, he explains the rules (that change every hand) and not surprisingly he wins! If only we could change the rules to suit our situation...
I guess Bill Clinton run under the same rule .This has shown that the Clintons are say anything ,do anything to win.Your time is over.
OBAMA 08
No, Bill, that's not the reason at all. You have to play by the rules given, and by the rules, Obama is way ahead so that she cannot catch up. Because of this, we need Hillary to drop out so we can start unifying the party and start fighting McCain. Winning big states in a primary does not mean anything in general election!!! Hillary is so full off "it."
OBAMA MAMA YO MAMA NOBAMA
Hillary should win the nomination regardless of what party!
This is why the Democrats keep losing and Republicans keep winning the White House. The Democratic party are idiots and they set up some idiotic system to pick a nominee. Why not pick the nominee in an easy winner take all like we conduct our Presidential nominees???? No...they have to use unfair methods that excluse certain groups of people. Then they disenfranchise two whole states. They they focus on the weakest candidate. Clinton SHOULD be the nominee by all accounts. THE DEMOCRATS DESERVE WHAT THEY GET IF THEY NOMINATE OBAMA BCEAUSE THEY ARE IDIOTS.
Is there any wonder why most americans are cynical of the older generation of politicians. Clintons, Bushs and McCains should all retire into the sunset and do us all a favour. Best wishes to Barack Obama and the next generation of political leaders.
THE ELECTORAL COLEGE IS THE DECIDING FACTOR IN THE ELECTION OF OUR PRESIDENT.
HILLARY HAS THE BIGGEST STATES WITH THE MOST ELECTORAL COLLEGE VOTES. GO FIGURE IT OUT.
IF THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE VOTES ARE IN THE MAJORITY FOR HILLARY. OBAMA CANNOT WIN THE ELECTION. HILLARY WILL NOT WANT THE VP SPOT UNDER OBAMA
What the ____?!? Every time that man opens his mouth, something other than his tongue falls out! And, they PAY this man big bucks to speak?
I'm confused. Didn't Bill Clinton run and win as a Democrat? Isn't Hillary running as a Democrat? Did they not understand and agree to play by the DNP rules? Are we supposed to change the DNP rules mid-stream to suit Bill and Hillary? Do we have time to start the campaign over, and bring back every Democratic candidate so that we can have a quick "do over" that will count, of course, only if Hillary comes out ahead?
Clintons = moronic and shameful disgrace to our country.
Hillary would better serve her country if she'd leave the Democratic Party (since it isn't being ABUSER – whoops! I meant USER – friendly to her). The sooner she leaves the party, the better for everyone involved.
Except the poor Republicans. I'm sure they can hardly wait....!
I am so tired of the hateful and angry and whining Obama supporters. PLEASE JUST SHUT UP!
Keep it up you Obama idiots. November is not that far out. And we will have the last laugh.
typical white male from MI:
Way, Way to many Democrats do not want Obama in the White House and will Vote for McCain just so Obama loses.
if that is true I am moving to Canada. If our country decides the outcome of the next four years out of spite, and votes for another warmonger over peace and prosperity, we deserve the hell we will become.
Hmmm, aren't these the same rules that got Bill the democratic nomination? He didn't seem to have a problem with the rules when he was winning. The Clinton's smell like a Hypocrites yet again.
I can't believe I used to like Bill Clinton! Now I just think he is as sneeky as his wife. I would think a former president would carry himself better. And the whole deal with their daughter campaigning but not answering the tough questions! Could you imagine this family living in your neighborhood let alone running the country! They are doing way too much damage to our democratic party by staying in. They would rather fight to the end and ensure that a republican wins rather than respectfully stand down to ensure a democrat takes office. Selfish!
Bill himself won the "DEMOCRATIC NOMINATION in 1992 " under these same rules.Now he thinks these rules should be change because they don't fit her wife.It seems all is about the Clinton
I named my new dog Hillary, but as soon as I called her name ,she bit me !
After tomorrow and after Clinton's win we will hear more whining and complaining from the Obama people. I am so tired of listening to them. No matter how close she gets and no matter how weak Obama is in the general election, the Dems would rather put up a weaker candidate. And we wonder why the Dems always lose the Whitehouse?
Hillary knows that she can't win and that she might be too old to run after Obama's two terms. An Obama loss to McCain would provide an opportunity for her to run in 2012. Look at everthing she's done since she realized that mathematically she couldn't win.
Remember total count of ELECTED delegates (those elected by the people in PRIMARY elections not caucuses) is Clinton 1073 Obama 1089. If Clinton wins 20 Delegates (89-69) tomorrow she will have the lead of delegates ELECTED by the voters, not picked by caucus attendees.
Obama's lead comes almost entirely from those able to go to precinct caucuses and sit there for 4 hours and if the delegates were given out in winner take all it would be all over she would be endorsed.
DickMorris.com:
UTS ON NUKES: HILLARY’S MAD NEW POLICY
By Dick Morris And Eileen McGann
04.21.2008
Published in the New York Post on April 21, 2008.
In last week’s Philadelphia debate, Hillary Clinton said she would commit the United States to a retaliatory attack against Iran, presumably with nuclear weapons, if it dropped the bomb on Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates or Kuwait.
Asked if “it should be US policy now to treat an Iranian attack on Israel as if it were an attack against the United States,” Clinton astonishingly responded that she’d use American nukes not just to defend Israel, our traditional strategic ally, but also other neighboring states such as the UAE, Saudi Arabia and Kuwait from an Iranian nuclear attack.
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Unfortunately for Obama and his bandwagon supporters, Montanta, North Dakota, Idaho and similar states that he toutes that he won, will NOT win him the presidency. They will more than likely not even vote Democrat!
New York, California, tomorrow, PA....and simliar sized states WILL win you the election and they ALL voted for Hillary.
The superdelegates need to realize that fact and put a candidate on the ticket that has a good opportunity to win ni November.
So now if the entire system was different, she would be winning? Note, add to list: caucuses, small states, latte sippers, activists, Richardson, Craig, AA, young people, old people, now the entire democratic primary system doesn't count. Funny that she was a Goldwater Republican back in the day. I'm waiting when Hillary herself says Bill doesn't coun't. Sigh.
Pennsylvania, lets end this.
Dan from Illinois and the other misinformed:
Hillary is tapped out in money because most of her donors are wealthy contributors who already donated the maximum amount. Obama has more supporters (and votes to match) who do not give the maximum amount in one lump sum that their candidate wastes on pizza and Dunk'n Donuts. Hillary's experience as first lady has not taught her how to run her campaign. Obama, as a former community organizer, knows how to bring people together for common goals and can balance his own finances – a hint at how he'll work as President.
Also, MI and FL disenfranchised themselves. Can we all put this to rest? They chose not to follow the rules they agreed on. The alternative is anarchy and a defunct political process. Think about this logically.
STOP!! Dems, be smart about this election- don't you want a dem in the White House no matter what? You would actually cross party lines and vote for McCain just because YOUR democratic candidate of choice does not win? You must not be voting on the issues as you claim. Don't cut your nose off to spite your face.
Well that settles it! It's time for Billary to just quit the Democratic party and join the Republicans where she belongs! I'm sure should would fit in really well there!!!
Isn't this about winning back the White House??? Shouldn't that be the main issue? Why nominate Obama (winning through idiotic Democratic process) if he cannot win...just because he is a few delegates ahead? Clinton is by far the superior candidate. Let's go with the stronger candidate. Even the polls are showing she can beat McCain better than Obama
GO HILLARY!!!!!!!
_____Jim April 21st, 2008 11:08 pm ET
Bill is right. In fact Obama is ahead because of all his wins in those states that will undoubtedly vote Republican in the general election. In state by state match ups in the key swing states Hillary beats McCain whearas Obama doesn't. It will come back to bite the Dems in the general election if they nominate Obama. As a Democrat, I for one will not be voting for him._____
Jim, you're you're saying is totally stupid, you're saying that because your candidate is losing, if she were winning you're wouldn't be saying that. The reality is that Barack is strong, he's been fighting against the 3 Clinton: Hillary, Bill and Chelsea Clinton and he's winning, period !!!
Why Bill's complainning ? When he ran for prez it was the same rules, these are the rules that enabled him to become prez and now is complaining about the same rules because his wife is losing, if she were winning he wouldn't be saying that, so you guys make me sick, you're pittyful, it's not the rules, it's your campaign tha has been the nastier, the more stupid, the most liar campaign ever in the history of the Democratic Party, period !!! don't blame the rules, Jimmy Carter became Prez under the same rules, Bill became Prez under the same rules, who's Hillary to be over the rules ???
Hillary has said that the elections are like the Superbowl. So where does that leave us now. Hmm, Hillary's like oh but if all my yards gained on certain parts of the field could count as more- I would be winning. And how is she the underdog now?! During the game when the underdog pulls ahead they are still the underdog. And in this race the underdog WILL win.
DickMorris.com:
BILL & HILL’S GAME: GOOD COP, BAD COP ON TRADE
By Dick Morris And Eileen McGann
04.16.2008
Published in the New York Post on April 16, 2008.
People have always accused Bill Clinton of wanting to be all things to all people. Now he and Hillary have found a way to do it in her campaign.
The former first couple has a carefully choreographed pas-de-deux in which they take opposite sides of an issue, depending on Hillary’s political needs of the moment.
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Yes Bill and if the outfield in Baseball were only 30 feet from home plate EVRYONE would hit a HOMERUN TOO!
How many Hillary people just twitched when they read his statement. How does it feel to worship such a man? A sad desperate pitiful man. That is what he has become.
DickMorris.com:
HILLARY CYNICAL ON NAFTA
By Dick Morris
04.13.2008
Nothing is as hypocritical as Hillary’s attempts to persuade us that she always opposed NAFTA. Her official schedule includes several meetings to back ratification and participants recall that she was strongly in favor. There is nothing in her memoirs to suggest anything other than strong support for one of her husband’s major achievements. And, in our personal phone conversations throughout 1993 we discussed the need to get NAFTA approved to boost Bill’s reputation for effectiveness, somewhat tattered after the defeat of his stimulus package.
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Speaking about democratic superdelegates, some of them reason that they should follow their electorate. Some of the have even gone as far as defecting from Hillary to Obama on these grounds.
I wonder what would the superdelegate count in this race be if ALL superdelegates were consistently sticking in their decision between Hillary/Barack to their electorate choices? Like if Ted Kennedy, Bill Richardson, and Bob Casey honored their voters' choice and threw their support behind Clinton?
Has anybody made such a estimate?
So, Republican = Good (as demonstrated by the last ~8 years). Thanks Bill, I was having trouble with that one. You couldn't stand by your wife when you were president, why bother to stand by her sunk ship now?
When will these people just go away... that is when will the Clintons go away?
All Hillary supporters should donate more money so Hillary can pay off super-delegates . Barack Obama has been buying the vote's from the super-delegates, Patrick Murphy for one. How low must he stoop too win. Bill tell Hillary to hire someone from Chicago Political Machine. They wrote the book on bribery. Obama is good at this. Look at his land deal and his house. Look how he got into office, bribes, lawyers and alot of the Race card .
For all the Obama supporters yall will be very disapionted when he looses. Don't yall get it,He's just getting a little fame until the end when he looses to Hillary or Mc Cain cause he will not beat one or the other.It all comes down to a fair chance,thats why he's doing good for now lol... We need a woman like Hillary thats been in the front seat before.She knows her stuff & will get this country back the way it was before Bush took office.Ask yourself,whould you get in a car with a un experiance person who never drove before? Or would you get into a car with a experiance peron?Also get off the Lewinsky thing.What ever happen between them doesn't have anything wrong with how Bill ran this country.He still ran it well.It sounds like to me that people are mad cause they didn't get a something from Lewinsky like he did or didnt get licked.Get over it.I know he left office with a smile which yall didn't lol..Either way he got the job done twice lol.. & one last thing he don't need anyone else to forgive him,as long as his wife does is what matters.So when Obama looses, just say you was warned.
Clintons 08
Sweet mother of mercy, how many different BS ways can the Clintons invent to try to prop up the fiction that Hillary should really be winning?
Funny that Hillary & Bill are admitting that they can’t win.
Even funnier is how they always try to change the rules and the goal posts.
That goes to show you that the only CHANGE Hillary can give America is to try to change the rules in the middle of the game.
Sorry Hillary but America wants REAL CHANGE!
Why is it that President Bill Clinton is campaining at one end of the state while his wife is at the other end, and then they complain that Mr. Obama is out spending her on advert's. Maybe if they travelled together as husband and wife they would have the extra cash to spend on advertizing. Maybe she does not want him near her? Or maybe he thinks he is running for office again? Either way two people campaining against one who is the underdog?
So Jim, all those states (like Georgia, Alabama, South Carolina, Virginia, Nebraska, .....the list goes on and on) that voted for Obama but mostly vote Republican in the General Election, shouldn't count in the Democratic Primary contest? So the millions of people who cast their ballots, many die-hard Democrats, should just be neglected because their state more often than not votes for a Republican candidate. Well, shoot, John McCain won New York and California and they overwhelmingly vote for a Democrat so sounds like Romney or Huckabee have a new argument to make. Oh wait, they actually know how to lose graciously. Grrr, I wish Penn would just end this nonsense....but looks like we'll be waiting for NC.
Yes, isn't it silly how the Obamites get excited about their candidate's winning the Dem primaries ( a nice thing, no doubt) in states with very few Electoral College votes and/or states with big Republican majorities that will go GOP in November? Not very realistic, is it?
Yea, but let's go rah rah rah over Obama's 30-14 majority of states won and demand that the candidate who won the states that the Dems can and must win.
Because I am a patriotic American if HRC wins the Democratic nomination, I will campaign and vote for McCain.
Here's why.
The Clintons have taken $15 million (w/ ano 20 on account) from the Emir of Dubai. This occured while HRC sat in the US Senate. Dubai is a repressive antiSemitic anti Israel oligarchy and no friend of the US. Nor does the Emir give away money out of the goodness of his heart. He owns the Clintons. This is not influence peddling. It's treason.
I really think she IS in the wrong party, except she's burned too many bridges to admit it. And the Republicans would never have even her brand of BS on their side.
Well Mr. President, the 2000 presidential election showed us that the electoral college isn't the best system. Barack Obama has received MORE votes than Hillary Clinton, so the delegate math shows that accurately. Even with Michigan AND Hillary Clinton's Florida votes counted, Barack Obama still leads. So the system the way it is now is pretty accurate and representative of the electorate.
No one really cares about the people.....you all think its a game...if our pick doesnt make it...we'd rather vote for McCain because we aren't real democrats...we're use to not sticking to our party because we have no idea what it means to be a liberal..you all are sheep. I don't care who gets in..I'm voting for the democrat...even if it is Hillary..wake up...it;s called loyalty to the party.
PA the big decision is in you hand, vote for Hillary. Bin "L" is watching, Hamas is also watching and remember Iran with "NUKE". Think about jobs, healthcare etc. We have a lot at stake and we can't afford Mr. Obama the Orator in the white house. PA make sure Hillary wins with a big bang.
Bill is right
on the money.
Remeber the REAL election is the general election;
the general election is the winner-take-all system;
the winner-take-all system delivers Hillary Clinton as the clear winner
over Obama.
We need to win the REAL election - not a "practice" election as in
the Democratic primaries.
I love it when the Obama and Clinton supporters use such intelligent arguments to substantiate their support for their candidates. You can tell the Obama ones by their lack of respect for anyone who is not in favor of Obama. You can tell the Clinton ones by how they focus on
Obama's ties to Rev. Wright and his whining when challenged by the media.
This is a fight between the left wing and the extreme left wing of the Democratic party. Whomever wins will lose in November.
The major loser is the Party itself. It took 40 years for the McGovern peaceniks to take over, but now they are in control.
Another truly ridiculous comment by Bill, he is so pathetic it's almost comical !!! If, If, If------ IF I HAD A FIFTH ID BE DRUNK RIGHT NOW TOO. CLINTON'S PLEASE GO AWAY AND STOP WHINNING, YOU LOST UNDER THE RULES YOU AGREED TO, ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!!!!! YOU'LL GO DOWN AS THE BIGGEST POLITICAL CRY BABIES IN HISTORY.
I absolutely agree. I believe Bill is just saying this because Hillary is losing. If it were the other way around (Hillary leading in delegates), then he wouldn't be saying a word. Besides, the way the democrats distribute the delegates is done a lot more fairly. For instance, if one candidate wins a state by let's say 52 percent, why should they automatically win the delegates of the other 48 percent who voted against them? Bill is just digging for anything at this point to stop Obama's delegate count from rising, which most likely will not happen.
Here's the MATH!!! Do Democrats really want to lose AGAIN?
McCain vs. Obama:
McCain – AK, ID, MT, UT, CO, WY, SD, ND, TX, OK, KS, NE, AL, LA, IN, AR and TN.
Leaning McCain – MO, IN, KY, CT, ME, NH, KY, VA, NC, GA, MS, FL, PA, NJ, OH, OR and WV.
Leaning Obama – WI, RI, MD, MI, IA, NM, SC and CA.
Obama – IL, NY, MA, WA, VT, DE, HI, MN and DC.
McCain vs. Clinton:
McCain – AK, ID, MT, UT, CO, WY, SD, ND, TX, OK, KS, NE, MS, AL, GA, NC, SC, VA and LA.
Leaning McCain – WI, NV, OR, MO, IN, KY, AZ, CT and ME.
Leaning Clinton – AR, NM, TN, NH, MD, OH, PA, MI and IA.
Clinton – CA, WA, HI, IL, MN, FL, NY, MA, NJ, VT, DE, DC, RI and WV.
Clinton has the best Delegate Chance to win in November.
I never new that experience on the Clinton camp means stupidity and childishness. They still not understand what is happening to them in these elections. I think Jack was right when he ones said on CNN'S situation room that some months behind be4 the elections started she was seeing herself as president. She was not complaining and we were not hearing all these rubbish.
Years to come daughter Chelsea will be running for president. She has been campaigning for MUMMY. To the Clintons, that is experience.
Bill has every right to bemoan the current system that got him elected in '92 and '96; if it weren't for that woman he didn't have relations with he could of sought repeal of the 22nd Amendment and extended his monarchy, you know the one that told us that the genocide in Rwanda wasn't genocide, the first World Trade Center bombing, Oklahoma City, don't ask, don't tell; now he won't have the chance to sit on the Supreme Court.
As for Jim and others who, as Democrats(?) state that if Barak Obama wins the nomination (news flash, he's going to win the nomination) "I for one won't be voting for him" this makes you either a Republicrat or a demogogue, not a Democrat. Primaries are fights, not coronations, its the only way to ensure a tested contender ready to withstand the rigors of the office. Please take your ball, go home and leave my party, we don't need you!