April 23rd, 2008
10:00 AM ET
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Analysis: Did Clinton victory come in time?

 Did Clinton's win come too late?
Did Clinton's win come too late?

(CNN) - Hillary Clinton scored a big victory in Pennsylvania on Tuesday to keep her hopes for the Democratic nomination alive. The question is whether the win came soon enough.

Barack Obama's loss in another big state and the margins by which he lost among blue-collar and rural voters on Tuesday, on the other hand, may raise questions about his electability.

Some polls had shown Clinton with a double-digit lead in Pennsylvania. But in the weeks between the last primaries in Ohio and Texas, Obama had whittled down Clinton's advantage.

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  1. Mike

    GO HILLARY...Why don't you people wake up and see that supporting OBAMA is STUPID. We REAGAN DEMOCRATS will definitely vote for MC CAIN over OBAMA.

    April 23, 2008 11:11 am at 11:11 am |
  2. hakeemsdad, Florida

    Did she say that she is ready to wipe out Iran (if Iran attacks Israel with nuclear weapons!)? Who has nuclear weapons Israel or Iran? Can't Israel protect itself with all the weapons (including the nuclear bombs) we gave them? Isn't strange that this comment came out right during the PA election? It seems people forgot that we are already at wars in 2 countries, and they don't mind having another one (after loosing thousands of soldiers and hundreds of thousands of Iraqes who don't even count).

    How about keeping all the fear in Americans daily life and forced to live with it? Will she continue as GW's 3rd term?
    Aren't these what McCain promising to do? So what is the difference between Hillary and McCain?

    I guess the race and gender are still big issues in US, since people are still voting for the white lady who is so negative and playing the war drums. And when it comes to Bill he claims that Obama is using the race card against him. How sad!

    It is strange that this negativity is brought up right after her win. What is the need for it anyway?

    I believe, Hillary will be given the nomination no matter what happens. You can see it, just look at the tactics used. Aren't these just like what Bush promised and then won.

    Welcome to the same politics and people you deserve it. You are happy to elect the lady who made over $100 million in 7 years while you are barely making it to the end of the month!

    Good luck.

    April 23, 2008 11:11 am at 11:11 am |
  3. hakeemsdad, Florida

    Hillary claims that Obama over spent her in her state PA . Poor her because she couldn't raise the money needed. However, she managed to get donations from big corporates to air negative and fear attacks.

    On the other hand, media talks about her big win inspite of overspent by Obama. What about the support she had from the governor and other 15 super delegates in PA. Who or what makes a bigger influence a TV ad or a governor, mayors and other super delegates campaigning for Hillary?
    Haven't 15 of the super delegates supporting Hillary in PA and been campaigning for Hillary made the outcomes?

    April 23, 2008 11:12 am at 11:12 am |
  4. Mark, Berwyn, PA

    Most white folks in my home state are bigots; that is how Hillary won last night. Check the scroecard if you don't beleive me. She and her hubby started playing the race card way back in SC in order to fire up those older and blue collar, white voters who would rather die than see a black man elected President. Dispicable? Absolutely. But it was the only way she could stay competitive. That being said, she cannot win this nomination. Not this year. Please, just do the math and save your energy. Her campaign is now only about making Obama a loser in November so she can run in 2012. If Obama wins in November, she (or anyone) cannot be the Dem nominee until 2016. She'll be nearing 70 and will NOT be the nominee at that age, with that baggage, and with her awful personality. So this is ALL ABOUT 2012 folks. Take that to the bank!!!!

    April 23, 2008 11:12 am at 11:12 am |
  5. Rick, NJ

    Ok. I don't know if I can get this to sink in to anyone's thick head however, I'd like to try.

    The comment made by AZM is fearfullly the opinion of most likely millions of Americans. The statement "Obama can't win the big states", is just untrue! If this were a matchup of Obama vs McCain, Obama would win big! The fact that Hilllary has all the big wigs in the big states riding on the Clinton machine should come as no suprise to anyone! Her money, the favors owed to Bill from the past etc., are the ONLY reason she is surviving in these primarys. I can't say it enough . . . EVERYONE take a deep breath and stop hating so much! We (Democrats), need to realize Obama is going to be nominee as Hillary will NOT win in North Carolina, or Indiana. The other remaining states give her NO advantage! Indiana understands Clinton's game and won't go for it. They are on to her rhetoric and nasty politics thus she will fail there. Some key points everyone needs to get:

    Obama is NOT a muslim.
    Obama DOES NOT hate the American Flag.
    Obama IS patriotic.
    Obama WILL win the big states in the General Election.
    Obama IS going to win the nomination!

    Stop hating and come together America. You can't stop the truth! You can spin it all day, but the truth is what it is! God bless you all!

    April 23, 2008 11:23 am at 11:23 am |
  6. Too Much Drama!!

    I agree – In time for what?
    Why can't Billary close the deal???
    the proverbial "fat lady" is warming up her vocal cords – she's gonna sing for Billary

    April 23, 2008 11:23 am at 11:23 am |
  7. Ramon Sison

    Hakeemsdad in Florida.......what? In case you haven't noticed other politicians endorse and campaign for other political candidates. That includes Governors, Senators, Congressional representatives, Mayors and yes even super-delegates that have also been campaigning day and night for Obama, its what politicians do. Welcome to the United States.

    April 23, 2008 11:34 am at 11:34 am |
  8. OR for Obama

    hakeemsdad,Florida...I like you and the way you think. GO OBAMA!

    April 23, 2008 11:34 am at 11:34 am |
  9. Dj

    2.5 Million... that means she only needs 7.5 million more to pay her debt and be even.

    April 23, 2008 11:34 am at 11:34 am |
  10. Joe - Wilmington, DE

    This whole thing is sickening. How can people vote for someone who lies so easily, voted FOR authorization of an ill-fated war and voted FOR lobbyist-led NAFTA. She is full of a well known substance when she tells you that she is for the average person. Just look at her voting record.

    Hillary Clinton cannot be trusted.

    America deserves far better.

    April 23, 2008 11:44 am at 11:44 am |
  11. David R. Pensacola,Fl

    Is it enough??? She had to win 100% off the state to catch up with Obama. She netted 12 delegates. Obama pulls one super delegate a day. He actually got one today despite the win by Hilary. With 14 days til N.C. and Indiana Obama will get 14 more superdelegates. So no it was not enough. She can not win. She needs to fall in behind the nominee and stop trying to Tonya Harding her way to the presidency.

    She says she is the one best suited to beat John Mccain yet cannot win her own party nomination. She says she can fix the economy but can't even keep her own campaign out of the red. Personally I'd rather vote for the guy with a 42 million dollar surplus not a deficit.

    April 23, 2008 11:44 am at 11:44 am |
  12. Smiley from Conyers, GA

    What is up with everyone's big concern over flag pins? Goodness gracious! Give me a break with that nonsense. Who cares about a stupid flag pin? We have real issues that needs to be discussed.

    Let's just stick to the issues!

    April 23, 2008 11:44 am at 11:44 am |
  13. Jo- Nebraska

    Hilary's win was not big-she had to be nasty to win what she did-
    Obama stays possitive for real change. Clinton does not want change-
    she likes to fight and only compromises when it benefits her (financially).
    The polls still show Obama wins against McCain. Clinton won big in
    2 count them 2 states-CA and NY - Obama won big in lots of smaller states
    and pretty even everywhere else. Look at the list- she needs to get out
    and support the party!!!

    April 23, 2008 11:44 am at 11:44 am |
  14. Tammy - KCMO

    If she was thinking about anyone but herself she would have dropped out by now. Instead I guess her mission is to destroy the democratic party. Anything to win, which makes me glad I'm an independent because I WILL NOT vote for her no matter what. It wouldn't surprise me if she loses if she runs as an independent. In which case I guess it will be 4 years of McCain and Bush tactics.

    April 23, 2008 11:47 am at 11:47 am |
  15. oldspice

    Dan from OK and any other Obama support equally as confused –

    As of last night – Hillary Clinton leads in the popular vote – thankyou – I know that you Kool–aid drinkers don't like to count Florida and Michigan – maybe you had the same Marxist professors Obama sought out in college – but in America we count all the votes – trust me – the Democratic party will not do the same thing to Hillary that was done to Al Gore. Superdelegates will not overturn the will of the people – it's just that simple – and I know you will whine that they didn't campaign in FL or that Obama 's name wasn't on the ballot in MI. But the truth is Obama did campaign in FL, running TV for 10 days prior to the election, breaking the rules of the campaigns agreement – and he took his name off the ballot in MI by his own accord – a political calculation that will come back to haunt him. Facts can be ugly things can't th – Oh, I'm sorry, time for your next dose of Kool-Aid.

    April 23, 2008 11:47 am at 11:47 am |
  16. Mudslide

    I find it ironic that Obama was starting to win PA voters over until the remarks he made about guns and religion came out. The remarks were taken out of context and the meaning twisted so that rural Pennsylvania voters were made to believe that Obama was knocking their culture and beliefs. In reality they did exactly what he said they would do. They took a fringe issue that had been distorted and pushed on them by the opposition and cast their votes based on that instead of the issues. PA you just verified the very remarks you rebeled against.

    April 23, 2008 11:49 am at 11:49 am |
  17. ds

    Maybe. As long as she continues to deliver fearful messages to fearful people (like Jesse from San Antonio who refers to Obama as "uppity"–why don't you just finish the phrase?), she'll continue to do well.

    April 23, 2008 11:50 am at 11:50 am |
  18. Tim, Arkansas

    It's way past TIME for Hillary to drop out. That's what TIME it is!

    At this rate, Hillary would need 60-70 United States to just catch up! What, does she plan to annex Bosnia???

    April 23, 2008 11:50 am at 11:50 am |
  19. Rus in St. Paul, MN

    I noticed something last night while doing the analysis of PA. Hillary's arguement has been she's won the states that democrats need in November to carry the democratic ticket. This is true, she's won those states, I'll give her that.

    But, looking at the county by country breakdown map CNN had last night when Bush/Kerry, Bush/Gore, etc... Was it just me, or was all of her support coming from the counties that vote Republican in the fall? A majority of her support is in the more rural areas, which go much more Red in November. The metro areas has been the Democrats bread and butter for a long, long time.

    There's been the arguement back and forth that Obama wins republican states, Hillary is winning the democratic ones, etc.. But, Obama, overall in these states, are winning in all of the areas that carry the democratic tickets in the fall.

    Just an observation to point out, I'd love to see more analysis like this in Ohio and other contested states.

    April 23, 2008 11:50 am at 11:50 am |
  20. Question

    April 23rd, 2008 10:18 am ET

    Here is the official results from PA Secretary of State

    Clinton 54.3% 1,237,696

    Obama 45.7% 1,043,174

    Spread 8.6% 194,522

    The question is why is the media reporting double-digit?

    April 23, 2008 11:53 am at 11:53 am |
  21. tommy perkins (no fake name)

    You people her win was big it showed that their are some people out there that still want her to win. But for the life of me I cannot say why. Honestly I think this game has gone far enough. You people say economy is important this Lady cannot even manage her own finances. Yea let's see what she can do for our country can anyone say bankruptcy. Neither Mr. or Mrs. Clinton knows how to run the country. Yeah with Bill you guys were happy (not me). He opened the way for more people to own homes (remember that) even the ones that could not afford it. That was great he wanted by 2010 or 2012 that a certain percentage of blacks own homes. Look at us now. Go going Mr. Saxamaphone. You and your wife will get what you deserve. Karma is something else. And one last thing "Obama can't win". Only HRC can. Give me a break that's the dumbest argument I have ever heard. If she is losing to the person that cannot beat John McCain how does that make it make it that she can win against him. HMM sounds like more HRC bull.

    April 23, 2008 11:54 am at 11:54 am |
  22. Toyota

    Billary and Osama are both trouble......if either is elected this country has some worse days a comin. Be careful who you vote for, don't listen to all that useless propoganda.If you think it's bad now....things will only get worse.

    April 23, 2008 12:01 pm at 12:01 pm |
  23. Vince - Phoenix

    Jesse....

    DID YOU JUST CALL OBAMA..... "UPPITY"...

    THAT SAYS IT "ALL" , RIGHT THERE!!!

    April 23, 2008 12:01 pm at 12:01 pm |
  24. Support in PA

    It won't be too late if the superdelegates actually focus on the fact that Obama can not and will not win the general election. Look at what the exit polls are telling you....those that voted for Hillary will not support Obama. PA is a conservative/moderate state. McCain is a very tempting moderate and has solid experience. Obama is too untested/inexperienced to be trusted with leading the country in these troubling times. If you told me last year, that I would ever contemplate voting for a republican, I would have laughed. Now my choice is Hillary and if she isn't the nominee, it will be McCain.

    You can buy into all the DNC spin that our party will be "united" before the general election. Then watch on November 4th as states such as Ohio, Florida, and Pennsylvania turn red on the election map.

    April 23, 2008 12:01 pm at 12:01 pm |
  25. Susan Lester

    I've said it before, I'll say it again - never in a million years will I vote for Hillary Rodham Clinton for any office. She is a dirty liar and a war monger. Never, never, never.

    April 23, 2008 12:02 pm at 12:02 pm |
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