April 23, 2008
Posted: 10:26 AM ET

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 Clinton celebrates her Pennsylvania victory with Gov. Ed Rendell.
Clinton celebrates her Pennsylvania victory with Gov. Ed Rendell.

(CNN) — Fresh off her victory in Pennsylvania, Hillary Clinton is facing a stinging rebuke of her campaign tactics from her hometown paper, The New York Times.

In the paper's Wednesday edition, the editorial board which endorsed Clinton's White House bid earlier this year says the New York senator's "negativity" is doing "harm to her, her opponent, her party and the 2008 election."

"The Pennsylvania campaign, which produced yet another inconclusive result on Tuesday, was even meaner, more vacuous, more desperate, and more filled with pandering than the mean, vacuous, desperate, pander-filled contests that preceded it," the board writes.

The paper finds fault in Clinton's latest campaign ad, which includes an image of Osama bin Laden, and asks, "Who do you think has what it takes?"

"Mrs Clinton became the first Democratic candidate to wave the bloody shirt of 9/11," they write, adding that it is a tactic that is "torn right from Karl Rove’s playbook."

"Mrs. Clinton does more than just turn off voters who don’t like negative campaigning," the editorial also states. "She undercuts the rationale for her candidacy that led this page and others to support her: that she is more qualified, right now, to be president than Mr. Obama."

The paper also says Barack Obama deserves some of the blame for the negative tone. "He is increasingly rising to Mrs. Clinton’s bait, undercutting his own claims that he is offering a higher more inclusive form of politics."

But the editorial makes clear the paper thinks most of the blames lies with Clinton. "If she is ever to have a hope of persuading [superdelegates] to come back to her side, let alone win over the larger body of voters, she has to call off the dogs."

Filed under: Barack Obama • Hillary Clinton


Bill W - PA   April 22nd, 2008 11:52 pm ET

With 97% reported, it looks like she stands to gain 3 whole delegates.
So what did she really win?

Again, I am sorry that so many in my state are so stupid.

NObama   April 22nd, 2008 11:53 pm ET

NY TIMES IS JUST TRYING TO PLAY FAIR SINCE THEY ENDORSED SENATOR CLINTON…

BUT THEY KNOW, LIKE EVERYONE ELSE….

MR. OBAMA'S "HOPE & CHANGE" IS JUST A FARCE
THE OBAMA CAMPAIGN SPENT MILLION$ & MILLION$ (IN SOME CASES 4 TO 1 ON NEGATIVE ATTACKS AGAINST HILLARY….

….AND WHAT HAPPENED?

HILLARY WON !!!!!

INDIANA
4
HILLARY

D. Stevenson   April 22nd, 2008 11:53 pm ET

Get over it CNN -Hillary Clinton has won by double digits. She is in. Remember what you said. DOUBLE DIGITS DOES It!! i AM NOW DONATING MY MONEY HER WAY!!!!!!!

Jay in Kansas   April 22nd, 2008 11:54 pm ET

CNN just can't wait to spin it.. she WON. Stop trying to bring her down!

Help wanted/ Experience required

PS.. did you know there are entire courses on diplomacy? Foreign experience is a must for ANY president. Treaties aren't negotiated on "hope and change"

mjaber   April 22nd, 2008 11:54 pm ET

Go New York Times!!!!!!!!!!!
You have a point, Clinton is very negative…

ALL THE WAY HILLARY!   April 22nd, 2008 11:54 pm ET

NY Times….. YOU missed the boat on your accusations. OBAMA spent 12million on ads, and he put his best foot forward and WE IN PA said NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, so stick your negative-spin to bed.

PS. your paper blows. The media is what is NEGATIVE and the republicans will KILL OBAMA if he is elected.

Ron R   April 22nd, 2008 11:56 pm ET

Her own state knows what Hillary is all about…WAKE UP AMERICA!!

Texican   April 22nd, 2008 11:56 pm ET

WOW, the Liberal Media couldn't wait to slam Our First Lady.
Wonder what she did to piss them off. Maybe they regret all the money they have put on Obama and have nothing to show for it.

SLO Bear   April 22nd, 2008 11:57 pm ET

I'm going to start buying the New York Times again. Superdelegates should show similar backbone.

Average Joe   April 22nd, 2008 11:57 pm ET

WEll written. It seems that all see can think about is beating Obama and not look ahead to the GE. All spin. All lies. An the press loves it as well.

Noah   April 22nd, 2008 11:59 pm ET

They did, and they are wrong…but CNN, they also had tough words for Obama, so why is that not the headline. I am so sick of the media,Obama supporters and the internet in general. Nothing but spin, with hypocrites around every corner.

Congrats Senator Clinton. Amazing victory..Guess 12 million could not buy PA.

DemocracyNow2008   April 22nd, 2008 11:59 pm ET

Clinton is the Dog and the Dogs around her are vicious.

Her whole campaign has been negative and her supporters follow her lead into the Trash can and Gutter Politics.

I hope the good people of Indiana and North Carolina really give to Clinton and like a Wrestling match knock her out once and for all.

The New York Times got it right .

To bad they endorsed such a Liar and vicious person for President.

Clinton needs to be put in the Dog Pound .

Obama Yes We can 08

Truthteller   April 22nd, 2008 11:59 pm ET

Man, that pantsuit is almost as unflattering as her character.

CHI   April 22nd, 2008 11:59 pm ET

We just made more donation to Hillary again.

I wonder how much NOBAMA paid to NY Times for today's editorial asking Hillary to dropout.

Shame on you NYT. This is why I don't subscribe NYT.

NOBAMA is so bitter loosing PA… I think he is clinging to his "GUN" and religion (getting advise from Rev Wright).

Go Hillary…..

After further review,Texas   April 22nd, 2008 11:59 pm ET

Shes a disgrace.She thinks she can get away with it and we will forget by nov. but she is WRONG.

Glenn   April 23rd, 2008 12:00 am ET

Hillary is a dark symptom in American politics. She attracts voters who place great value in dishonesty, lying, negativity and divisiveness. PA voters proved they were up to the task to sink to her low depths.They have wasted they votes and money on a losing cause in the end.

Peter Kavanagh   April 23rd, 2008 12:00 am ET

The New York Times needs to understand that it doesn't matter matter how much destruction they cause to the democratic party .
All that matters is that they get back into the white house . The rest of the human race serves them and the corporate interests they represent .

Please Indiana and North Carolina , won't you deliver us from our national nightmare .

Obama 08 !!!

Yes We Can !!!

Fishers IN   April 23rd, 2008 12:00 am ET

Barack Hussein Obama will never be President of the USA.

Hillary Clinton '08 & '12

Paul Mennen   April 23rd, 2008 12:00 am ET

The New York Times may be right — but guess what? It works!! I can't fault her for using every option available at her disposal. Hey, folks. Politics is a dirty business. She understands more than anyone how dirty politics can be — but Obama thinks this should be a genteel sport.

If she didn't try every possible thing, I would be disappointed in her. She's the only man in the running.

PCS / North Carolina   April 23rd, 2008 12:00 am ET

Jay in Kansas wrote April 22nd, 2008 11:54 pm ET

"PS.. did you know there are entire courses on diplomacy? Foreign experience is a must for ANY president. "

Foreign experience taking sniper fire ?

Ron R   April 23rd, 2008 12:00 am ET

The only winners tonight are the news stations. They get what they want which is 2 more weeks of good TV…..what a country!

NMT   April 23rd, 2008 12:00 am ET

I sometimes wonder whether hilary voters are just plain ignorant..how can you not tell a lie, dirty politics, etc when it faces them so so clearly and openly???. How can they not understand integrity. This really buffles me voters…..people would rather support a liar, than a man with integrity???
I am from Canada and I am shocked at you Americans!!!Bring Obama here….we shalll vote for him!!!!

Chris Gibson   April 23rd, 2008 12:00 am ET

Hilary's comment on obliterating Iran shows her complete lack of experience and commonsense. All it would achieve would be no oil for 50 years, increased costs and political instability or did she just misspeak for effect knowing that what she said would never happen because wiser heads would stop her. This is not a person who should ever run a country.

Lewis   April 23rd, 2008 12:01 am ET

Word up, SLO Bear.

tired of the stupidity   April 23rd, 2008 12:01 am ET

and y does the money thing matter so much to everybody. shes broke he s not he can do whatever he wants because he has the means to so what get over it. If she was so great she would have 40 million dollars and be in the lead. lets see how she does every place else.

Dave   April 23rd, 2008 12:01 am ET

Ya, she did what needed to be done. If Obama and his cult can't handle the heat, go home to AFRICA!!!!!!!!
HILLARY 08

Janice Hough   April 23rd, 2008 12:01 am ET

Buyer's remorse from tne New York Times?

It's about time.

Tim in NY   April 23rd, 2008 12:01 am ET

Unfortunately, she is going to see this as a ringing endorsement of the Rovian tactics that eeked out a win for her in PA. I think we can expect nothing but more of the same and worse from Mrs Clinton.

Mr Obama needs to remember that staying above they fray and taking the high road brought a lot of voters to him in the first place. His 'new kind of politics' was a change for the better. Now he's sliding into the mire that Mrs Clinton feels so at home in.

In the end, if the negativity persists I think we will see voters who were inspired to come out for the Primary stay home. Whomever the Democratic Nominee is, they need to seem to be a new, kinder, smarter and more stable politician or we will see a 12 year Republican Reign.

That idea kinda puts it in perspective, doesn't it.

Bayou Joe   April 23rd, 2008 12:01 am ET

So much for non partisan reporting. The New York times owes the supporters of Hillary a big apology. The liberals don't get it, we don't want Obama in the whitehouse.

The next time NY gets hit by Osama Bin Laden call on the Obama crowd to come to your aid.

Heather, New Zealand   April 23rd, 2008 12:01 am ET

At some time in the past one of your Presidents decided to adopt the moniker of "Leader of the Free World". Now I hear that Hillary Clinton will "obliterate" another country. Those of us who live in the free world would like to be able to vote for Mr Obama. Unfortunately we can't so its up to you Americans to remember to look outside your borders when electing your next President. The incumbent has been a disaster for the free world.

KP in CA   April 23rd, 2008 12:01 am ET

Did you expect anything less from this tasteless lying candidate? Don't be fooled she wants to win no matter what the cost is. If she will slap the face of her home state with that commercial, what do you think she will do to the rest of USA? She will sell her soul to the devil to become President, if she hasn't already!

58 old white ladies for OBAMA   April 23rd, 2008 12:01 am ET

WHEN YOU LACK INTELLECT, HONESTY AND INTEGRITY,

NEGATIVITY FOR SOME WILL DO.

greenfun   April 23rd, 2008 12:02 am ET

He dumps unbelievable amounts of money in the state and loses by double digits–still can't pull off a big state. Pennsylvania chose SUBSTANCE over speeches. YIIPPPEEEEEEEEEEE

Dustin   April 23rd, 2008 12:02 am ET

Unfortunately, Senator Clinton has to focus on the bad things about him because the media won't. They point out every flaw she has, and seem to blow by the fact that his own supporters can't name legistlative accomplishments of his.

He out spent her in general 3 to 1 on advertisements (many of which were negative)

She still won.

Why can't he win?

We need a winner.

(PS Electorally she would have him beat in a general election)

Eugene   April 23rd, 2008 12:02 am ET

The editorial listened today…and chose…. their words well. The Times is probably now having serious buyers' remorse over their endorsement of Sen. Clinton.

Interesting   April 23rd, 2008 12:02 am ET

And they are important?

Please, they need to shut up and be quiet and let both of them rumble.

john a white man for truth, peace and harmony   April 23rd, 2008 12:02 am ET

Too late to call her on bluff you liberalistics paper! White racists Penn have made their minds known and I think they will lose. Penn can go to hell all those illiterate racists because they are evil.

Thank you Penn for making the race close though even when you have losers that are crazy not wanting a black man. We must WIN this WAr against racism and illiteracy. Thank God the Penn nightmare is over because Obama will make up the difference after IN and NC.

And please don't get me started on the money he spent for the Penn race because this is a man running against a well established name like the Clintons to make himself known.

USAF Sr. Airman   April 23rd, 2008 12:02 am ET

Well let's see… she is still lacking popular vote and delegates. How in her mind she feels she in entitled to the nomination even though she is behind is beyond me. Her tactics are career suicide.

Nick F.   April 23rd, 2008 12:02 am ET

Clinton wins by 10% in PA where the demographics favor her, but if she won every remaining contest by the same margin (fat chance) and the 311 undeclared superdelegates also go for her 55% to 45%, Obama still wins handily on the first ballot. Simple math. Her campaign is broke, and she faces Indiana (where she could at best win a close victory, and North Carolina where Obama has been ahead for months in the polls. She is a spent force. Its time to back Obama and win in November.

kingsley   April 23rd, 2008 12:02 am ET

Hilliary need to be investigated. maybe she is on Karl Rove payroll with Mcsame.. The super deligates are all bills friends who are waiting for her to multiply her wins so they can come out and endorse her.

Mike in PA   April 23rd, 2008 12:02 am ET

I can't believe people are still voting for her. I apologize for the poor judgment here in my state.

Kyu Reisch, Radcliff, Kentucky   April 23rd, 2008 12:03 am ET

Bill W PA, your State voters are smarter than Obama and his supporters, you are stupid and blind, they know what they are doing but Obama and his supporter, you don't know what are you doing.

Indiana Adrian   April 23rd, 2008 12:03 am ET

What about Obama's negative campaigning in PA?!?! of course if this were Obama's victory, CNN would not be posting this. The media will only acknowledge her win for so long before they remind us who they want to win.

KLJ   April 23rd, 2008 12:03 am ET

This is what I just wrote to the NYT:

I will be canceling my NYT subscription tomorrow. To pretend that Clinton is the one evading real discussion of the issues is almost too much to read…And to sustain the myth that the Obama campaign has not been equally negative, spare me! Can you really believe that the thought of an Obama presidency does not strike fear into many hearts? He's an inexperienced, arrogant, untried first-term senator with a clear aversion to making hard decisions. Sorry NYT you've lost me…(not because you're being "mean" to my candidate — boo-hoo — but because your journalistic/editorial instincts seem off-base)

HoMnn   April 23rd, 2008 12:03 am ET

If Hillary wins, then that could mean 8 yrs GBush Sr, 8 yrs Clinton, 8yrs Bush Jr. 8 Yrs Clinton II, thats 32 yrs of presidents from two families, Ridiculous , No,

MJ   April 23rd, 2008 12:03 am ET

The ad had nothing to do with scare tactics. What is it that the Republicans will use against the Democrats in November? They will make the statment that the Democrats are weak on National Security, and they will be right if we condemn Hillary Clinton for posting an ad such as this. We need to take a clear stand that the Democrats will not back down from these events. BTW, the ad had a quick glimpse of Osama bin Laden, it also had imageries of Katrina, etc. Let's start focusing on how to make the party stronger, than condemning one of our own. Stop whining, and grow a pair. What do you think the Republicans will do to you in the fall!!!! NY TIMES, no wonder the sales of your paper is down 26%.

Obama 08   April 23rd, 2008 12:03 am ET

Congrats to Hillary. Still, I will never support her.

ABPA   April 23rd, 2008 12:04 am ET

GO!!! HILLARY!!! PA CAN SEE THAT OBAMAS "HOPE" IS NOTHING BUT A EMPTY SUIT . HILLARY 08 ALL THE WAY

matt   April 23rd, 2008 12:04 am ET

Clinton backers will cut off their nose to spite their face. They don't care if the democratic party goes down in flames in November if their candidate can't win. She has NO shot at the nomination - but that doesn't deter her or her supporters from slinging as much mud as they can. McCain and the repugs couldn't possibly be happier.

bertha   April 23rd, 2008 12:04 am ET

Hillary should quit. The media is in bed with clintons. From Texas to PA for six weeks, Obama had a very bad media coverage.
Go obama. You have all what you need. She netted small delegates win and the media is not saying this and it is not ready say she already lost.

Anonymous   April 23rd, 2008 12:04 am ET

She aint no lay!

matt   April 23rd, 2008 12:04 am ET

and the psycho farthest left liberals are at it again, trying to hurt the perfect democrat.

Obama filled my mailbox with EVIL FLIERS

Anthony   April 23rd, 2008 12:05 am ET

There was another President with just one term in Congress before he became President. Lincoln, it is life experience that is important.
Clinton's life experience is showing her true colors now, and it is a shame.

ND   April 23rd, 2008 12:05 am ET

Hillary's ads pale in comparison to those the Republicans hope to run against her this fall. Just look back to 1993 and you'll have a complete playbook: Travelgate, Whitewater, billing records, and other things that'll make Hillary's "heat" seem like a cool spring breeze.

George   April 23rd, 2008 12:05 am ET

The NY Times should just shut up. They have proven to everyone that they are not a journalist newspaper, just a political paper. They are so out of date.

Bruce TX   April 23rd, 2008 12:05 am ET

well after all CNN and the Electoral College , Gave us BUSH, Hum wonder if we can Hold them Liable, I say dissolve the Electoral College and Hold the Media Libel for there False reporting! and well after Primary CNN will be Pro McCain anyways!

Xanadude of Velen   April 23rd, 2008 12:05 am ET

The New York Times……..the original Waffel Press!

Hillary WILL be president!

John, Marietta, GA   April 23rd, 2008 12:05 am ET

Yes she won Penn, Uneducated white folks will never vote for Obama becasue "you know why", so to base a loss on some people's ignorance is unfair. We all know their Governor even said they would never vote for Obama. I am just glad 48 other states are different from penn and Ohio…..Two weeks to NC, and we have our nominee.

Chris in Va.   April 23rd, 2008 12:05 am ET

You had better watch out Hillary, the home crowd is on to you and you are going to need a job pretty soon. Then I guess you could always run for Senator from Pennsylvania, they have proved themselves worthy of Her Highness.

david goldmen for OBAMA   April 23rd, 2008 12:05 am ET

THIS IS A VICTORY FOE OBAMA, AS THIS GIVES HER

ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. SHE KNOWS SHE HAS LOST,

BUT SOME FORWARD MOVEMENT, HOWEVER SMALL ,

WILL GET SOME MORE MONEY FROM THOSE THAT HAVE

ALREADY PAID IN. THAT IS CALLED DEBT RETIREMENT.

Bomb Bomb Bomb Hillary   April 23rd, 2008 12:05 am ET

She seems a little to excited about this miniscule addtion to delegates. If she were really the woman she says she is why is she still behind? Why hasn't she got the nomination?
Doesn't look like she ever will.

N Kannan   April 23rd, 2008 12:05 am ET

Bill and Hillary have successfully turning this campaign into one of race. That never fails, does it?

HoMnn   April 23rd, 2008 12:05 am ET

Women outweigh men 59%-41%, 15% potential edge, she only won by 5%. And most democratic men are whipped anyway.

william pappas   April 23rd, 2008 12:05 am ET

the ultra left wing just can't stand a woman or a Clinton winning anywhere–the NYT is a has been paper and carries little reputation of any note–it best days are behind it and it should stand up for their editorial nominee instead of ripping on her –get into reality ,the enemy is bush not the Dems

Craig, Seattle, WA   April 23rd, 2008 12:06 am ET

Poor babies… Can't little Obama take the heat???…. If not, maybe he shouldn't RUN!

Andy   April 23rd, 2008 12:06 am ET

I can't wait to shop at the Manhattan Walmart in five years!

Mike from California   April 23rd, 2008 12:06 am ET

And when you donate to Hillary remember…..she is 10 million in the hole. HA HA HA!

s.b.   April 23rd, 2008 12:06 am ET

How exactly is a double digit victory inconclusive?

Michael G Ventura, CA   April 23rd, 2008 12:06 am ET

To say Obama has "nothing to show for it" (money spent in PA)-Are you serious? Look where he came from -33% down! The popular vote gains she had tonight in PA will be washed away in NC and IN–The delegate gain was minimal at best. Perhaps time spent slamming Obama should be used on a Math tutor!

ArtC   April 23rd, 2008 12:06 am ET

The NyTimes as well as other liberal media is so one sided in its critiques of Hillary and have become apostles of Obama. Mr. Obama is in some ways worse than Bush in that he's a bought and paid for politician and he's doing everything he can to win even tarnish the party and our once great leader Mr. Clinton. Obama can only wish he as one one hundreth of the leader that President Clinton was. But to his credit he's a great orator and he's at least not a dishonorable coward like Richardson is. His followers, are also delussional and unfortunately misguided.

john in sf   April 23rd, 2008 12:06 am ET

Hillary has become a member of the "Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy" and I am thankful that the NYTimes realized their error in endorsing her. CNN, ABC and FOX (also perhaps MSNBC) are jumping up and down, because their profit margins would soar if pro-business Hillary were elected.

Hillary is trying to get elected by exploiting low-information voters and some women who are voting based on gender. When Obama is elected, he will have won via African-Americans who are voting based on race, other African-Americans who are voting for the better candidate and the educated.

Obama is the leader of the real Democratic Party. The Party of Roosevelt and Kennedy. Clinton wants to lead the Reagan Democrats and kill our party, and thus our nation.

This whole process disgusts me. The country now rests on the shoulders of Indiana (because Hillary can't come back at all in NC like Obama did in PA, VA, DE, TX, OH, etc. etc. etc. This 9-10 point victory is one of the biggest of her campaigns and she got it via blatant misrepresentations of fact and calling Obama a Muslim.

I'm becoming an EU citizen. This is ridiculous.

J Williamson   April 23rd, 2008 12:07 am ET

Barack threw his own Grandmother under the bus to quell the "Rev" Wright controversy - using one's Grandmother as road-kill strikes me as the most negative campaign tactic in the history of American politics.

Traveling Writer   April 23rd, 2008 12:07 am ET

Why is this still even being called a race? If Clinton wins 68 - 32 percent in every remaining contest, she still loses by 4 delegates. That doesn't sound like a race to me!

ALL THE WAY HILLARY!   April 23rd, 2008 12:07 am ET

why don't you send a reporter to Florida and report on how they feel about NOT having their votes count!!!!!!!! Do something good for the nation vs. saying normal political sparring is wrong.

I am sooooooooooo upset with you to accuse ME and MY STATE of being NEGATIVE-LEAD around.

WE are smart hard working people who believe Hillary is the best candidate to beat McCain and run the country.

I don't believe negative ads work, or fear mongering. IF YOU don't believe these are scary times, then get your head out of the sand.

I'll never buy a NYTimes again~

dAnnE   April 23rd, 2008 12:07 am ET

Has anyone heard the phrase, you won the battle, but we are winning the war? How can the tide be turning we she was expected to win this battle? The bigger point is that Obama is STILL winning in every aspect. Hillary supporters, please think about this… would you really be happy if this was reversed and Obama was saying he is winning when he is in fact behind? Can we be rational for once?

Bitter Tommy in St. Louis   April 23rd, 2008 12:07 am ET

Well, the New York Times isn't saying anything we didn't already know.

libby   April 23rd, 2008 12:07 am ET

The NYT is actually posting an editorial letter from the Obama campaign. Why is the CNN reporting it is the "New York Times?"

Ryan   April 23rd, 2008 12:07 am ET

For everyone claiming that the NYT is just supporting their darling, remember that they endorsed CLINTON! But they have eyes like everyone else and are just calling it as they see it. Everyone but the Hillbots can tell that She has been the one interjecting negativity into every aspect of this race.

Richie,pa   April 23rd, 2008 12:07 am ET

I commend Obama. He didn't have the machine that Clintons had in Pa. Let's see if she will win with that margin in Kentuky, Indiana, and the rest of the contests. Obama should not allow them to destroy him. It shouldn't happen and shouldn't be give all the air time Hillary has been having. The democratic party is heading to a wreckage.
Someone gonna say I told you so. I don't know who gave Howard dean that job!

margie   April 23rd, 2008 12:07 am ET

The New York Times is irrelevant.

Austin TX   April 23rd, 2008 12:07 am ET

The best quality we should look for is personal "integrity." Clinton will do anything to win. I don't like her meanness and dishonesty.

Her lie about Bosnia was a "mistake"? Why a deliberate lie that was told three times is a "mistake"?

I know you want to continue your royalty status Bill and Hilary at all cost… I am concerned that so many people are fooled by your never delivered promise of free healthcare for all. I've read your lips enough.

Di   April 23rd, 2008 12:08 am ET

were the ny times this outraged when gwb and the republicans used fear tactics the last 2 general election campaigns? what she did was NOTHING compared to that…… what gives?

Richard   April 23rd, 2008 12:08 am ET

It's impossible for Clinton to gain on the delegate count Obama already has.

Get over it people.

Obama gets the nomination.

Brian   April 23rd, 2008 12:08 am ET

CNN should post the Wall Street Journal Editorial by Dorothy Rabinowitz as well.

Fair is fair CNN.

s.b.   April 23rd, 2008 12:08 am ET

Sorry, how exactly is a double digit victory inconclusive when your opponent outspends you 3:1 and shatters all campaign spending records?

Art from Texas   April 23rd, 2008 12:08 am ET

How is it that a 10 point win becomes a "thump"(CNN) when she lost 10 points off her lead? The Democratic leaders should finish this soon, or I'll take Hillary's hint and vote for McCain. Thanks "best political team"; you just lost my vote

Amy   April 23rd, 2008 12:08 am ET

Thank you, NY Times. No matter how she tries to spin it, she went very negative in this campaign and is hurting the party. Not that she cares about the party. She knows it's over, we all do. She's trying to keep it alive, but it's dead. Obama will win the nod, unless she steals it which would be a huge blow to the party. The supers need to step in.

fran   April 23rd, 2008 12:08 am ET

Just donated again to Hillary. The more the big guys…and I do mean guys, try to push her out of the race, the more they make me and others like me, support her even more than before. SHE WON by double digets and she's going to be our next president. And call me crazy, but let's hope the next president rolls up her sleeves and goes after the person who is responsible for 911. It's not fear tactics to remind this country that he's still out there and we have to make sure the person in charge this time around, goes after and gets him.
GO HILLARY!!! All the way.

mimi de la cruz for OBAMA   April 23rd, 2008 12:09 am ET

ALL HILLARY GOT IS 3 DELEGATES MORE THAN OBAMA.

THAT DOESN'T EVEN GET HER CLOSE TO AN IF.BUT

SHE HAS MANAGED TO DIVIDE THIS NATION EVEN MORE

THAN BUSH, TO THE DNC SHAME & INCOMPETENCE.

s.positive   April 23rd, 2008 12:09 am ET

LIARS WILL ALWAYS VOTE LIARS. A LIAR WILL NOT GO NEAR OUR WHITEHOUSE. WE DO NOT WANT IT STAINED AS IN THE 90S

Charles   April 23rd, 2008 12:09 am ET

A good win for Hillary. If she does get the nomination I will vote in November - for John McCain.

John in KY   April 23rd, 2008 12:09 am ET

Hey NYT politics are a bit negative at times so don't subject yourself to the negatives unless you also have quite a bit of positives on your side also! (Can't take the heat stay out of the FIRE!) leave the lady be!!!

Go Hillary 08!

Go get 'em Hillary!   April 23rd, 2008 12:09 am ET

Hillary Clinton won fair and square tonight and she's doing a fine job. Political advertisements are notoriously controversial and, well, if they get the job done, they are successful. Let's not focus on advertisements and the supposedly extreme negative tone of the campaigning. If either Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton is going to be the nominee they're going to have to take a lot of negativity and this is good practice and is NOTHING compared to what the Republicans are just waiting to unleash. Frankly, the fact that Sen. Clinton is still standing strong is truly impressive. When will these two brilliant candidates of historical proportions realize that the best bet for both of them is a Clinton-Obama ticket in '08 followed by an Obama presidency 8 years down the line! That's also our best bet to get this country its prestige, glory, and respect back! Democrats Unite! Clinton Obama!!! Hill-Bama '08!!!

Robert   April 23rd, 2008 12:09 am ET

Small win for HRC, its still a long road, and all this stuff she is bringing out, remember what goes around comes around.

Jane, NC   April 23rd, 2008 12:09 am ET

Senqtor Clinton has been no more negative than Senator Obama. Stop saying she has! You know, the public really does have minds of their own; we don't necessarily buy into something because you say it.

Sue   April 23rd, 2008 12:09 am ET

Spn all you want to folks but if you don't have the money it can't be spent. Or should I just say Hillary outspent Obama on Super Tuesday, that's why she is broke, but where did that money get her.

Brett   April 23rd, 2008 12:09 am ET

The reason she is viewed as so negative is the fact that the media refuses to talk about Obama's own negativity. Why? Because all Obama has to do is say something like "I don't play those type of politics" or "This is typical DC….we need to change this," and the media completely forgets that he ever said something negative in the first place. Essentially he just has to say "No I'm not negative" and the media eats it right up and leaves him alone. This election season has been chock full of amazingly horrible coverage. Its time for the media to drop favoritism and start reporting. Journalism 101 - Leave your bias out of your reporting!!!

A4Obama   April 23rd, 2008 12:10 am ET

Where is mayor Nutter in that picture…he's already irrelevant after delivering crucial black votes to Hillary? Nutter, fight for what is yours….you put your neck out for your girl, she owes you big time. I don't think you were doing it out of the goodness of your heart when 65% of your town residents were for Obama. You go Nutter!

dallasiteforhillary   April 23rd, 2008 12:10 am ET

Didn't someone hear say that a 10 point win and she has made it? She will net well over 200,000 in popular vote our of this ONE primary. THANK YOU PENNSYLVANIA!

I know for sure there are people from earlier primaries knowing what they know now about Obama would like to change their vote.

Going to donate to Hillary Clinton.

NO NO NOBAMA   April 23rd, 2008 12:10 am ET

Cnn Stop
We love Hillary
We love Clinton
Go Hillary
No more NoBama

J Williamson   April 23rd, 2008 12:10 am ET

Bill W. from PA - do the math. How many delegates have been chosen, thus far, out of the 158 which will come as a direct result of this primary (?) Seems that there are many more to be decided and with a 55-45 split (it's 12;10a.m. Wed) our girl Hillary will get more.

Michael Eastman   April 23rd, 2008 12:10 am ET

How does Clinton staying in this race, a race which she CAN NOT WIN, help the country? democratic party? This constant negative campaign of hers is dragging this thing out, when it should have been over weeks ago. Unreal. Everyone say it with me, "Congratulations President McCain."

Ted From Edmonton   April 23rd, 2008 12:10 am ET

No more negative than Obama. The New York Times is not the paper it used to be. Who cares!

Willus   April 23rd, 2008 12:10 am ET

Bill,

I'm sorry that so many in your state are so stupid too. HRC's shameless pandering should be offensive to those at whom it's directed. Pennsylvanians could have done us all a favor and ended the misery by voting Obama, even if they weren't crazy about him. The Clintons' disdain for the truth and win-at-all-costs approach are the most unsettling things I've ever witnessed from anyone on the national stage in the Democratic party. Americans will all be better off once she's finally knocked out of the race. I just hope the "pundits" recognize that HRC's victory has done nothing to enhance her chances at the nomination due to the minimal delgate gain it afforded her.

Let's go Indiana and North Carolina!

A.M. Saqib   April 23rd, 2008 12:10 am ET

Great informative and very acurate comment by New York Times, perhaps they are re-thinking their endorsement.

Pennsylvania victory gave her so far a six delegate vote edge over 'Obama'.

'Obama' for ..08!

A.M. Saqib
Houston, Texas

JIm   April 23rd, 2008 12:11 am ET

Looks like the SP far lefters at the NY Times want the far left Golden Boy Obama to win. Obama voted the most liberal in the Senate and spoke about posiotively about the changes in the immigration bill but then did not vote for the compromises. Looks like Obama is a unifier of the Democratic party but will not unite us as a whole. He will be more of a wedge for this country than GWB.

deidre   April 23rd, 2008 12:11 am ET

She gained over 200,000 in the popular vote Bill in PA.

NYT, isn't that the newspaper that threw smut at McCain with no real proof???????????????????

Jennsie   April 23rd, 2008 12:11 am ET

It's time for the media to step aside and let the candidates run their campaigns. Pundits don't have crystal balls, are not better than anyone else, and this is no land of Oz.

My vote is for Hillary.

Jim K   April 23rd, 2008 12:11 am ET

Everyone seems to forget why Obama has so much more money than the entrenched Clinton machine- because he has so much more nationwide support than she does, much better organization, and he has always planned to campaign for voters in all 50 states. Pennsylvania voters were duped since Clinton never had any intention of campaigning there until she suddenly found herself behind. And why is it that educated voters- ie, smarter people- vote for Obama? Do we really want a president who is the choice of the dumber half of America? Isn't that how we got George Bush?

Mike from California   April 23rd, 2008 12:11 am ET

35 years of experience and she can't beat a 2nd year senator. What does that tell you. What people fail to realize is Obama is and always has been the underdog. Clinton had a 20 point lead going into PA. Obama narrowed it to 10. Now we have NC and IN coming up. Clinton will not win either of those. Then she will move the goal post again. What will her excuse be then. She is out of money, Obama still has more delegates and has won twice as many states.

IT'S OVER HILLARY SUPPORTERS SAVE YOUR MONEY!!!!!!!

edith mcneill   April 23rd, 2008 12:12 am ET

Reality check, Clinton won PA. I am glad that's over. Now we can wrap this up. We have Guam, NC and IN within the next two weeks.

Clinton really wants to win, I cna respect that. But we will not allow her to steal the nomination. We will turn this out if she gets the nomination over the votes we have cast collectively. She does not lead in delegates nor the popular vote. FL and MI do not count, she agreed to that.

We need to move on so the dems can win in Nov

OBAMA '08   April 23rd, 2008 12:12 am ET

What constitutes a win? Clinton argues that she is more electable because she can win the large states that "actually matter". Apparently, small states count for nothing, even though that's what put Obama in the lead. And a very important point - many of these large states are states which are traditionally democratic and would vote democrat even if the democratic candidate were a hamster. Would the more electable person be behind in every respect - popular vote, number of states won, and delegate count?

The Democratic party has an enormous problem. If the party chooses Clinton as the nominee despite her being the overall loser, I guarantee that the democratic party would lose me as a member.

Joe   April 23rd, 2008 12:12 am ET

Wow, it seems that I'm not the only one who thinks Clinton's campaign has adopted the politics of fear that has become a signature of Karl Rove.

Drillbit   April 23rd, 2008 12:12 am ET

Get over it NYTimes. Let freedom ring and report the news. Hillary won PA. Obama did not.

What joy! The small towns in Pennsylvania proved tonight that every vote counts and they voted for Hillary Rodman Clinton. I think we still live in America.

Dionis   April 23rd, 2008 12:12 am ET

He spent 12 million talking about REAL issues and defending himself against attack ads Hillary seems to thrive on. You people in PA are dense. You are just dragging this on longer than it needs to. For the first time throughout this primary I'm scared that the Republicans might actually win the presidency in '08. Hillary is hurting the party… if she quit a long time ago, she would've been guaranteed the VP spot. Now most democrats see her as a petty, arrogant fool who would do anything to win… even bring down her own party!

Andrew   April 23rd, 2008 12:12 am ET

Everything they said is true. Clinton supporters say Obama supporters need to take off the blinders, I think it's also time you do as well. For those who talk about her being outspent or Obama spending $12 million; if she had the money, she would've spent the same if not more, so quit falling for that nonsense coming out of her mouth.

Shrill-arry   April 23rd, 2008 12:12 am ET

She changes the goal posts like her friend George. All of them are the same, seems like Obama is the only break away from the rut of the last 10 years. But I wonder how he will break our hearts too. Hey you want to make the world better folks, ride your bike to work one day every week this spring, summer, and fall.

Kyu Reisch, Radcliff, Kentucky   April 23rd, 2008 12:12 am ET

Nobama, INDIANA 4 HILLARY.
Kyu, KENTUCKY 4 HILLARY,
Kyu, WEST VIRGINIA 4 HILLARY,
Kyu, OREGON 4 HILLARY,
Kyu, MONTANA 4 HILLARY,
and Kyu, SOUTH DAKOTA 4 HILLARY.
HILLARY FOR THE 44TH PRESIDENT.

D Montoya, El Paso, TX   April 23rd, 2008 12:12 am ET

She won a primary that she was expected to win. Who cares. Its just going to flip back the other way on the 6th….

Chris in Va.   April 23rd, 2008 12:13 am ET

To ALL THE WAY HILLARY- And theRepublicans WON'T have a field day with Hillary? Is that what you are implying? God, you people are more delusional than we thought. It's almost worth a vote for Hil-liar-y to watch that movie. You have been crying that Obama has been too harsh, he hasn't even scratched the surface out of respect for the party, the Republicans will not be so kind. VOTE FOR HILLARY!!! When I think of it I would love to see them shine their boots on her arse.

Sure   April 23rd, 2008 12:13 am ET

GO HILLARY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Clinton or McCain, but NEVER obama   April 23rd, 2008 12:13 am ET

NY Times…………….you are so wrong. Obama is rotten!

Karen in Ohio   April 23rd, 2008 12:13 am ET

You blame her for what happened? Where were you when you endorsed her months ago? You and her suppoters are backing her for what she does. Face it!

The Patriot   April 23rd, 2008 12:13 am ET

The HRC supporters listenend and chose to support and/or turn a blind eye to the special influences. They listened and chose another candidate with family ties to the White House. They heard the politicized, exploited, and media induced controversies rather than listening to the voice that speaks to heal a corrupt and special intrest infested Washington. If HRC wins the nomination after having only won 14 of 44 contests, the US democracy will be viewed by the world as a big joke. I know…I see it first hand.

D. Riley   April 23rd, 2008 12:13 am ET

I absolutely agree with the NY times commentary. Her "Carl Rovian" tactics and pandering to the racist elements of our society will indeed devide the democratic party. Any other candidates political aspirations would have been destroyed after being so completely exposed (caught) in a lie, ie Bosnia, but apparently those who live in fear and bigotery are willing to overlook the obvious. The republicans owe this hateful woman a great deal of thanks….what was almost a sure thing for the democratic party has been reduced to a "maybe." She's campaigning on the wrong ticket.

Jose Anguiano   April 23rd, 2008 12:13 am ET

You have the right to your individual opinion and personal preferences, but not to the facts and ideas to are out there universally and are the property of not one human being, male or female.

Dee   April 23rd, 2008 12:13 am ET

Apparently it is working for her. It will get hotter than hades now and Obama will have to drop publicly his Mr. Nice persona and demonstrate himself as a typical politican or decide to be honest and nice and hold on for the tidal wave. He really does not understand religion. He needs to get a NIV BIBLE and read. He also needs a spiritual advisor to teach him THE WORD. If he really knew…
He could had depicted himself as Joseph in Eqypt but you have t know the story to get it. Joseph was there at the right time and the right moment to change the course of history. He must know too one can't praise the Lord and curse out of the same 'mouth'.
There is a change coming and he will lead it but he had better get that BIBLE an get some Understanding.

Roberta, NC   April 23rd, 2008 12:13 am ET

Senator Obama said it, and I quote…"50% plus 1 is a win!" Congratulations Hillary, our next President! She has proven once again that you can knock her down but she will not stay down. The polls are already narrowing in North Carolina! We are going to deliver for Hillary on May 6!

v.ananthan   April 23rd, 2008 12:13 am ET

If democrats are smart they will elect a candidate who can beat Mccain and that is "Hillary Clinton".
CONGRATULATIONS HILLARY, GREAT WIN IN PENNSYLVANIA WITH 10 POINTS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
-Hillary 08.

Montana is Obama Country   April 23rd, 2008 12:13 am ET

NOT IN MONTANA…

She cannot be trusted for her ethics.. She was expected to win PA.. So that is no surprise.. only to the people how voted for her because she is sooo untrust-worthy..

The couple of delegates she wins will be easy for her to count. HA!

Yes… We.. Can.. is the Best for the Rest………..

Paul Thornhill   April 23rd, 2008 12:13 am ET

The reality is that she was ahead by 30 points a few months ago, a win by 10, and Clinton will not win the majority of reaming contests.
I just finished watching Obama's speech, he inspires all Americans from the heart, soul and mind to be a forward thing country again, first time in 40 years. Clinton was ol time politics, it is time to change the way Washington works, only Obama is trying to do so.

John   April 23rd, 2008 12:14 am ET

Just because Obama spent 2 or 3 to 1 on ads means nothing, she was leading by 30% at the start of the race at the end she might win by maybe 10% what happen to the other 20% support she had. So by Obama ads he showed their was another choice other then Clinton. Her negative comments on him will not help her either, Why did she laugh when the media asked her about why President Clinton received $800g from Columbia. I would have ran that as a negative ad against her. From where I sit I think she is hurting the Dem party, but then why should it matter to me I live in Canada. Good luck in electing a GOOD President. (She is she provoking Iran with a treat of nuclear attack?)

Noncorrupted Illinoisan   April 23rd, 2008 12:14 am ET

Yes, Obama's campaign spent lots in PA BUT most importantly he didn't pay "street money" which likely cost him a lot of votes.

From what I understand, the Clinton machine did pay out "street money," To Noah's point the, $12M in legitimate money could not buy PA but apparently "street money" did. If Clinton becomes President you'll see more of that in Washington … more of the same. It'll be even uglier than it is now.

Misty   April 23rd, 2008 12:14 am ET

At least somebody gets it right. New York Times– you have my support and I will buy you over LA Times– which is turning into a useless newspaper.
Hillary Clinton is SLEAZE

Meave   April 23rd, 2008 12:14 am ET

Noah, 12 million wasn't enough to educate PA!

Pradeep   April 23rd, 2008 12:14 am ET

There is considerable meanness against Sen. Obama in the right wing media. It is not difficult to see they are busy making a mountain out of a moe hill and tearing Obama apart. Naturally, some of it is making its way into Hillary camp. At the end of the day the democratic party will be the big loser, so big it would alienate a whole segment of voters for a long time to come. Hillary needs to quit if she must rely on such negativity to win a few delegates amounting to nothing important.

Il Teacher   April 23rd, 2008 12:15 am ET

Does anybody really care what the media has to say anymore?

blake   April 23rd, 2008 12:15 am ET

Hillary is a strong woman, yet a very desperate one. She has done and will continue to do whatever it takes to win the nomination. The Clintons care more about their ego than the country's well being. She is a bitter OLD woman who feels we owe her the Presidency. She is a whinning, OLD fool who has to win because she will not have another chance to try if she looses. Hillary is pathetic

Hillary for president   April 23rd, 2008 12:15 am ET

When Obama was asked about what he would have done about the Iraq war, his answer at the time was "I don't know". All he knows is to preach about hope and change. I guess that did not get him PA nor will it get him the nomination. So people for NOBAMA, say AYE.

elyce ellington   April 23rd, 2008 12:15 am ET

Hilary is self serving and evil.
She's willing to embed her bloody nails in the face of the democratic party and overturn our democratically nominated candidate by calling in favors. Obama 08

Unbelievable he got so close with just about the entire democratic machine in pennsylvania foisting her on the undeucated blindly trusting voters. PHENOMINAL Barrack! He is beating the machine, because…
Barrack has the people behind him $100 at a time.

Justin   April 23rd, 2008 12:15 am ET

Finally the Times grows a sack. Maybe you should retract the endorsement of Clinton. Oh wait nm the Republicans would love that.

apple   April 23rd, 2008 12:16 am ET

Q: How can you tell when Hillary is lying? A: Her lips are moving. We can only hope the people of Indiana & N. Carolina are smart enough to see this.

Dan from Illinois   April 23rd, 2008 12:16 am ET

Clinton won by 10%. How is that inconclusive? How did they COMPLETELY ignore Obama's negative tactics? What is up with that? They are so going to get a lot of hate mail for this one, and rightfully so!

DemocraticBaron   April 23rd, 2008 12:16 am ET

O wow, SENSE!

And please, to all clinton supporters- yes she WON– in a state she was EXPECTED to win - by a margin that did NOTHING to the delegate count, NOTHING to the popular vote, NOTHING to the margins of victory for either candidate in the upcoming primaries. All she did use a Kitchen-sink strategy to belittle Obama and twist his words and use the very tactics she as a Democrat should vehemently oppose.

A democrat charging another as elite?
A democrat waving the bloody shirt of 9/11?

Wow, and you call this a win….and WHAT expense?? and with WHAT gains

Mike   April 23rd, 2008 12:16 am ET

You guys are crazy here. Obama only needed to minimize the loss since everyone knew she would win and she did win. Maybe she picked up what? 10 more delegates? Oh big deal. She is bankrupt now and entering territory in IN and ND that will teach her a lesson. All her gains in PA will be zero there.

The needed to win by MORE than 10 points, just10 points does not cut it. Hillary is only campaigning now to to raise more money to pay of her debt, not to win. She does not want to spend her own money.

And when she loses, perhaps Mr Wright will make her happy again….just like he did after Monica!

Ostriches burying our heads in the sand   April 23rd, 2008 12:16 am ET

So what will Clinton campaign's Terry McAuliffe say now about NY Times?

This evening McAuliffe said about Fox, "You were the first ones to call it for Hillary Clinton….Fair and balanced Fox. You beat them all."

What's next- praising Karl Rove for his intelligence!!!!!!!!

wolfsbane   April 23rd, 2008 12:16 am ET

So Hillary wins PA, but Obama is still the front runner, and it is nigh impossible that she can overtake him.

Sure, the DNC can go insane and choose Hillary, but that is as likely (or less likely) than Hillary spitting off and forming her own party. Call it Party Clinton…which is the party she's been running for all along.

Daniel   April 23rd, 2008 12:16 am ET

We democrats need to realise how badly her negative attacks is dragging us down.Its like "its gonna be HILL or nobody else"
If your child behaves this way u will chastise/ground and do all sorts, how much more a supposes Presidential Candidiate.

Most of the people urging her on are Republicans in disguise.

McCain's Pastor,Bhudist, and Voodoo men are all praying for Dean & Co to overturn the trend and give the nomination to Clinton because that means GOP wins.

bad idea   April 23rd, 2008 12:16 am ET

Isnt this the same newspaper that said Mccain as have affair with that lobbyist lady in 2000 without a shed proof on it?So,what gave them a creditble right to said anything…
My,my,my Obamaites are sure a loser huh.If you guys think that Hillary will not make it,remember Obama cant be a nominee without that number.After all the states has vote,he is still havent reach that magic number so thats why the superdelegates comes.So dont try and try and try to discredit Hillary.She won by 10% tonite eat your heart out baby.

sfgirl   April 23rd, 2008 12:16 am ET

Tonight before the results CNN showed the primary popular votes counts with Senator Obama leading by 1-2% (48-49% to 47%). With a 1-2% different — a near tie! — we keep hearing that Senator Clinton "should drop out" and that she's "dividing the party." Tonight she wins by nearly 10% and CNN describes the vote as "competitive" and focus on Senator Obama's "closing the gap" from a 20% lead she held weeks ago (in a poll decried as innaccurate.) Guys, this Democratic party is split about 50%-50% over which candidate they think is best. Let the people decide without these ridiculous headlines!

Sharon   April 23rd, 2008 12:16 am ET

Hillary even your own city newspaper does not like your tactics. You are the biggest hypocrite I have seen in politics. One day you are dogging Barack, the next day you are praising him. He has more integrity that you have in your little finger. In the end you will see that Barack will win. More states won, more of the popular vote, more pledged delegates, creeping up on superdelegates. What does that equal = WINNER!!!!!! Go back to New York, work as a senator and then take your retirement in Scranton, Arkansas or wherever you come from with the millions of dollars you and Bill have.

MARYANN Oswego IL   April 23rd, 2008 12:16 am ET

GO Hillary I knew you would win..I am so glad I 'm on your side…. Hillary 08

Em   April 23rd, 2008 12:16 am ET

Go Hillary!! Ed Rendell for VP!!

And btw, CNN - you suck!

Jaded   April 23rd, 2008 12:16 am ET

CNN: Whatever happened to objective and unbiased journalism? I swear, ever since this primary started, CNN has been nothing but disparaging to Hillary Clinton. So CNN likes Obama, I like Obama too, but no one can deny the fact that Clinton is still a great candidate. I am starting to suspect that CNN reporters/bloggers/editors are a bunch of sexist elitists.

andanotherthing   April 23rd, 2008 12:18 am ET

This is bogus. Must be a turncoat on staff.

clarlune   April 23rd, 2008 12:18 am ET

note to BILL W. who obviously thinks he is soooo much more intelligent than so many in "his" state… it must be soooo lonely up there in the rarified air, sipping wine and eating fondue with your friends in Pacific Palisades. lmao

kimberly of Seattle   April 23rd, 2008 12:19 am ET

Make no mistake about it I will not vote for Hillary Clinton ….I am a single african american female. I do not like the negative campaining being initiated by the clinton campaign - Bill and Hillary will do anything to win and they are not that much different from the republican party and their tactics. I am a lifelong democrat, however, I will not support the clintons.

Luke   April 23rd, 2008 12:19 am ET

We've all known that she couldn't statistically win for months, Hilary, and her supporters need to give it up for the good of the party, and the country. She's been grasping for straws for a while now, this is why she's gone so negative, and it's the reason no one is donating money to her campaign. Yes, she won Pennsylvania, and gained a whole 3 delegates. No one in the media, or in the Hilary camp, is being honest about the fact that she can't statistically win without going against the will of the people with superdels. This is all a tremendous waste of time, and party solidarity.

Rhonda in KY   April 23rd, 2008 12:19 am ET

There is no question that her negativity is guaranteeing a McCain victory in the fall. I would never vote for her if she were the nominee but she will destroy Obama and the party on her way down. I'm not surprised by PA voters but so very disappointed that they bought into her ridiculous fear mongering.

Daniel, Loganville Ga   April 23rd, 2008 12:19 am ET

Congrats Sen. Clinton, Operation Chaos was a success I guess…PA got it wrong tonight…We need a change in this country from the old politics. THis country is in trouble and we are playing games. Wake up America before it's too late.

OBAMA '08

hillary is brilliant   April 23rd, 2008 12:19 am ET

haters….. she is the strongest candidate…if the dems want to lose this fall they can keep being negative against the best candidate…we will lose this election. HIllary 08

Joey   April 23rd, 2008 12:19 am ET

Despite him outspending Hillary 3 to 1 in ads, He still lost. Tonight really raised questions about Obama's electability. The democrats need to win Pennsylvania in November and Obama can't seem to win these battleground states like Ohio, Pennsylvania. Also, Hillary is winning in double digits and over 200,000 in popular votes!

who cares!   April 23rd, 2008 12:19 am ET

Who cares? look at the readership of this paper- down, down and soon will be gone! any extreme media outlet would lose out in the end- be it looney right or looney left. this george soros-kind of crowd brings a poor name to this country and berates all moderates! ALL FOR HILLARY!

CStroud   April 23rd, 2008 12:19 am ET

I will be resubscribing to the NYT tomorrow!

SFinKorea   April 23rd, 2008 12:20 am ET

Even the comments on this blog are negative. Stop talking about why the other candidate is bad. Just talk about why yours is good. This primary has become a travesty.

BTW, nobody like sore winners.

Educated voters wanted   April 23rd, 2008 12:20 am ET

It would be nice if folks actually read the NY Times editorial. It was accurately report by CNN, so quit bashing CNN. Also, the NY Times editorial, while very critical of Clinton, still backs her, claiming that she needs to "call off the dogs" if she is to convince superdelegates that she deserves their votes because, as the NY Times continues to insist, she is the most qualified. There is so much foolishness posted here one has to wonder about the basic smarts of Dem voters.

kari   April 23rd, 2008 12:20 am ET

Why is it that people in this country think that only two families can run this country? (the Bush's and The Clinton's) I am tired of these names. They offer the same old politics and both are bullies. The Clinton's left the White House in shame and the Bush's will leave in shame and not caring about the damage he has done to America.

I hope that Sen. Obama will not let Sen. Clinton pull him down to her level of dirty or gutter politics. We need someone like Sen. Obama. He will bring back family values, honesty, respect. He will bring this country together and restore the dignity that America deserve from the rest of the world.

Michael   April 23rd, 2008 12:20 am ET

Thank you NY Times. It is about time someone in the media has the courage to point out the obvious.

Brian   April 23rd, 2008 12:20 am ET

PA has once again shown that they will vote for a loser. Hilldog can't win the national election and will resort to the Rovarian style politics that Slick Willie condemed. Indiana and Kentucky better look close at what happened here in PA. Hillary and her merry band of dividers have pushed a new generation of voters to the curb. Sleep tight !!

Bruce M.   April 23rd, 2008 12:20 am ET

Spin this–there is no way she can win the popular vote. There is no way she can win in pledged delegates. Her own people are conceding this.

And there is no way the Democratic party is going to select someone who won neither the popular vote nor the pledged delegate race.

She is going to lose. It's a matter of time. The question is how much of the party she's going to bring down with her.

Joe   April 23rd, 2008 12:20 am ET

Iron out your hoods boys

Hillary 08

TiffIn in Ohio   April 23rd, 2008 12:20 am ET

Congrats to Hillary! The NY Times is right. She has been very negative. It's sad to think that she would bring down the Democratic party to have her way. I heard a commentator state "Hillary will burn down the village and call it saving the people." No matter what she does Obama must stay on point and not be swayed by her negative distractions. It's time for him to push up his sleeves and give the people what they want….deal with the issues, show case solutions, and reignite the flame of HOPE. It ain't over until it's over.

Obama 08!!

Rj   April 23rd, 2008 12:20 am ET

Obama spent:

$22,000.00 - Spent to Racists J. Wright Jr. Church

$12Million??? - Spent to buy PA voters

Senator Clinton Wins Pennsylvania - PRICELESS!!!

RICKY   April 23rd, 2008 12:20 am ET

I'm pretty sure the Democratic is going to lose the election. I stopped caring tonight after I realized that this campaign is going to get uglier and divide the party even further. I will vote democrat no matter what just because I don't want 4 more years of Bush type politics and war-mongering. But %10+ of democratic voters say they will vote McCain if thier Dem candidate doesnt win. Another large percentage say they won't vote at all. SAD

Joan, Kentucky   April 23rd, 2008 12:20 am ET

If Pennsylvania voters had read the late Barbara Olson`s two books, maybe the election results would have been different. Also, what about the Presidential pardons that were given before Bill Clinton left office? Some had questionable reasons behind them.

Sure, the Clinton years were good for most of us, but President Bush didn`t create all our problems by himself.

eric   April 23rd, 2008 12:20 am ET

Its a lost race for the Clintons… I hope she would get up this time at 3 am and not forget to answer the phone as she did with the Bosnia issue.. At 60 we tend to forget things and contracdict ourselves.. just like Bill and Hill.
I would not trust anyone for President who can confuse snipers shots three times when she recounts the story to make a judgmental call at three am. Would she have to lie or what……?

Clinton .. pleave drop out… John Mccain may just charge you and your husband for perjury… your trade mark or MO/..

Chad from NYC   April 23rd, 2008 12:23 am ET

she won…a whole 6 delegates….well wake the children and call the neighbors! (read : sarcasm)

raul   April 23rd, 2008 12:23 am ET

I am not trying to downplay the fact that Hillary won a significant state; however, can anybody even mention Obama is having to fight Hillary and McCain at the same time? Do you even remember the last time McCain said anything negative about Clinton? I don't think so.

Joe   April 23rd, 2008 12:23 am ET

and she did all this under sniper fire in bosnia while Bill met with interns…

Hillary 08

Michael   April 23rd, 2008 12:23 am ET

Foreign experience is a must for ANY president. Treaties aren't negotiated on "hope and change"

Well, I hope George H. W. Bush is listening, because on that logic he should have absolutely trounced Bill Clinton in '92. I have to imagine that every time he hears the Clintons extol the virtues of experience over hope, he thinks he's crossed over into the Twilight Zone.

JWK   April 23rd, 2008 12:23 am ET

I am born and raised Western PA, I am sorry for the voters in this area, they are uneducated, small minded and bend to the sway of fear. Clinton is the only president in the history of this country to be FULLY IMPEACHED for being a liar…..it's a shame that they give the guy clout running around drumming up fear and making up accusations… my apologies for my ignorant fellow citizens.

Michael   April 23rd, 2008 12:23 am ET

"Mrs Clinton became the first Democratic candidate to wave the bloody shirt of 9/11," they write, adding that it is a tactic that is "torn right from Karl Rove’s playbook."

That proves it, Hillary IS a terrorist.

mike   April 23rd, 2008 12:23 am ET

The Times is so right. While she deserves credit for a hard fought win, it is clear that she will stoop to any depth to try to win. This means tearing down her opponent and party if necessary. Using 9/11 and images of Bin Laden is a disgusting display. Her willingness to use dirty tactics has been exposed and will no got over well in next two states.

FHD   April 23rd, 2008 12:23 am ET

looks like the one stupid in PA is Bill W.
PA people showed how smart they are. They saw substance and they vote for it.
Go Hillary, you will win!

Pablo   April 23rd, 2008 12:24 am ET

Jay in Kansas, you do know that treaties are negotiated by "sniper fire and standing next to your husband for 8 years as he shook the hands of world leaders."

Karen   April 23rd, 2008 12:24 am ET

New York Times is right. And the reason she got so many votes-one word, PREJUDICE.

lt   April 23rd, 2008 12:24 am ET

She had a big advantage from the beginnig , but did she realy won? Even her dirty slamy mouth did not damage Obama hard enough. He is still standing strong. Last year he had only 14-20% in PA and now jumped to 45%. I don't know about you, but to me it looks like a victory.

The problem is that those who vote for Billary are less educated so they don't know better. It is easy to maniupulate them and she is good at that. Those voter don't make an efford to find out who that woman behind cute smile realy is. They are ready to believe any crap she says.

jayjayaye   April 23rd, 2008 12:24 am ET

An old French saying translates as, "God says, take what you want, but pay for it." Take heed, Mrs. Clinton.

Jane   April 23rd, 2008 12:24 am ET

National Polls Barack Obama 51% Hillary Clinton 41%

She will get her butt kicked in NC. Good for the NY Times!

Chuck   April 23rd, 2008 12:25 am ET

Talk about "silly season!" Pretty darn bad when the media starts to whine because they can't have their way.

Hill Yeah!!!

NEBRASKA   April 23rd, 2008 12:25 am ET

There is no way Clinton will win! Keep dreaming. Many Americans will vote for MCCain over Clinton.

Tobias   April 23rd, 2008 12:25 am ET

The negativity was started by the Obama camp from the very beginning. It is unbelievable that the press hasn't caught on to this but they have always been for Obama so it's really not surprising. But the people know the people know what's going on and that is why Senator Clinton won tonight. She is the far superior candidate and she is the only one who can win in November. Vote smart, vote Clinton.

arv sinha   April 23rd, 2008 12:25 am ET

I am a registered democrat. But recent tactics by Hillary Clinton, make me want to vote for McCain, if Obama does not get the nomination. What a shame.

paddylou   April 23rd, 2008 12:25 am ET

I am glad that the New York