April 23, 2008
Posted: April 23rd, 2008 10:26 AM ET

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 Clinton celebrates her Pennsylvania victory with Gov. Ed Rendell.
Clinton celebrates her Pennsylvania victory with Gov. Ed Rendell.

(CNN) - Fresh off her victory in Pennsylvania, Hillary Clinton is facing a stinging rebuke of her campaign tactics from her hometown paper, The New York Times.

In the paper's Wednesday edition, the editorial board which endorsed Clinton's White House bid earlier this year says the New York senator's "negativity" is doing "harm to her, her opponent, her party and the 2008 election."

"The Pennsylvania campaign, which produced yet another inconclusive result on Tuesday, was even meaner, more vacuous, more desperate, and more filled with pandering than the mean, vacuous, desperate, pander-filled contests that preceded it," the board writes.

The paper finds fault in Clinton's latest campaign ad, which includes an image of Osama bin Laden, and asks, "Who do you think has what it takes?"

"Mrs Clinton became the first Democratic candidate to wave the bloody shirt of 9/11," they write, adding that it is a tactic that is "torn right from Karl Rove’s playbook."

"Mrs. Clinton does more than just turn off voters who don’t like negative campaigning," the editorial also states. "She undercuts the rationale for her candidacy that led this page and others to support her: that she is more qualified, right now, to be president than Mr. Obama."

The paper also says Barack Obama deserves some of the blame for the negative tone. "He is increasingly rising to Mrs. Clinton’s bait, undercutting his own claims that he is offering a higher more inclusive form of politics."

But the editorial makes clear the paper thinks most of the blames lies with Clinton. "If she is ever to have a hope of persuading [superdelegates] to come back to her side, let alone win over the larger body of voters, she has to call off the dogs."

Filed under: Barack Obama • Hillary Clinton


PA VOTER   April 23rd, 2008 9:49 am ET

I voted for Obama...ok hillary won but barely.....she's going to gain what 5 delegates at the most. Don't forget Hillary supporters she needed LANDSLIDE VICTORIES for it to make it a difference.

I on the other hand did all i could to get people to vote for Obama, some white people(sorry for race card) just will not vote for a black man with a muslim name and I hate it.

OBAMA FOR PREZ 08!!!

P Graber   April 23rd, 2008 9:44 am ET

Hillary was just pointing out what the new President of the United States will have to handle, 9/11 just happened to be something that happened in the past. She did absolutely nothing wrong in bringing it up.

therealist   April 23rd, 2008 9:30 am ET

The true colors of hate from the left are coming out for of America to see.., and it ain't pretty.

R. Farina   April 23rd, 2008 9:01 am ET

What a waste of time and money this whole excersise by the Democrats will be!!! When the time comes for the general election, the majority of independents in middle America will not vote for a woman or an African-American with a Muslim name. Hopefully the Democrats will come to their senses at the Convention and draft Al Gore. Otherwise it will be John McCain easily.

Christy Delarber   April 23rd, 2008 8:29 am ET

I can't believe anyone would vote for Clinton. She is crooked politics revistied. Proven in 3 lies about dodging bullits is just the icing on the cake of her dishonesty.

Say no to the monarchy   April 23rd, 2008 8:29 am ET

Clinton will do anything to win and she cares nothing for the American people. She only cares about getting her and Bill back in the white house.

More importantly, why do older people continue to support her say anything and do anything ways, yet criticize Bush for the same tactics?

TL   April 23rd, 2008 8:28 am ET

Talk about outspending all you want. Obama had a six week presence in PA while Hillary has been campaigning there for quite some time now. Why don't you compare overall dollars people have spent campaigning in the state, not just this "primary?" Also he cut into her 10 percentage points in a state she was supposed to dominate.

The only thing this victory did was drag along her slim hope.

Mary - Independent   April 23rd, 2008 8:28 am ET

The New York Times is putting themselves in the "mud-siinging"
category. Just because Clinton won PA, this paper is all upset -
get over yourselves NEW YORK TIMES!

DEBRA GA   April 23rd, 2008 8:28 am ET

well people can say what they want she won 80 more delegates there are 23 supper dele in that state that should go to her by obamas claim that they should vote the way the state did that brings her 103 dele votes closer to him obama and we still have n c and ind and 7 more states to vote [if obama will let those states count] and not find an excuse not to like he did fl and mich i think she will win nominee

JC   April 23rd, 2008 8:27 am ET

When is all over and done, America will continue to rob her children of their rights and pretend that they care – we see the "wink" and ask why should we continue to press forward, when we have acknowledged the fact that America had many children of colors but is only concern with the one that steals, lies, betrays, provide injustice rather than the one that works the hardest to please and be accepted.

!! America shame on you for continuing to choose between your children!!!!

K   April 23rd, 2008 8:27 am ET

What a bunch of losers in pennsylvania. You got tricked, hoodwinked, and bamboozeld by hillary clinton, you bought what she was selling and you as a state will be worse off for it, all you did was prolong the cancer that is hillary clinton!

Jim in NYC   April 23rd, 2008 8:27 am ET

Glad to see that my "hometown" paper is not afraid to report the truth! I am baffled that there are some people in this country who cannot see through the spin of the Clinton circus. Her basking in her own victory, which was just over 50% of democrats in Pennsylvania fails to acknowledge that this was her home turf, of sorts, and that a year ago, she was expected to win the nomination hands down. Senator Clinton's calculating attempt to change the rules to her advantage are what compels me to continue giving my support to Obama, He appears to be light years ahead of her in wisdom, intellect and integrity. Don't fool yourself Senator Clinton into thinking that you have any advantage over Senator Obama.

Carol Kelly   April 23rd, 2008 8:15 am ET

If this country elects Hillary we will have sunk to a new political low. It seems she will do absolutely anything to get elected. Her campaign tactics disgust me. If she is on the Dem ticket, Mr. McCain gets my vote.

Former Clinton Supporter   April 23rd, 2008 8:15 am ET

These are the same kinds of scare tactics that turned me away from her. The Clintons have proven themselves to be very calculated and very low. Her newest ad is poor politics and in extremely poor taste, but look how it worked!

America needs to stand up to the fear that so many politicians breed.

OBAMA 08!!!

liz haque   April 23rd, 2008 8:15 am ET

We all know PA is conservative, but now I know voters in PA are stupid.

Phil   April 23rd, 2008 8:15 am ET

Then the Times should withdraw their endorsement.

Leo   April 23rd, 2008 8:15 am ET

Hillary is correct, Obama is the new Neville Chamberlain, stupid and naiive. There is nothing he has done in his life proving his capability.

John   April 23rd, 2008 8:14 am ET

Obama's supporters get over it!

Your candidate sucks! is incompetent! is delusional!

He outspent Clinton and still trailing 10%.

How can he win November election?!?!

Allan Larmont   April 23rd, 2008 8:14 am ET

To threaten Iran with nuclear weapons does not only generate fear in the minds of liberal Americans, those of us in Europe tremble at the very idea. We are conscious of the fact that Iran is much closer to the United Kingdom than it is to the United States. Senator Clinton should show some restraint.

Allan UK.

LifeLongDemocrat   April 23rd, 2008 8:14 am ET

I am tired of this race. Clinton is lame. Women power.

No logics just Women power.

Go ahead destroy the party.

Kate   April 23rd, 2008 8:14 am ET

I have to agree with the New York Times. I can't believe there are still Americans out there falling for this played out fear tactic. PA wake up!! You voted for a woman who voted FOR this war. She did not do any research of her own and went with the popular vote. She is in part to blame why Bin Ladan is still out there. If this woman becomes president, it will be Bush part 2 in a dress. We need change in America. Doesn't the thought of two families having control of this country for over 20 years frighten anyone else? Hillary does not represent change. Obama does. We need to show the rest of the world that we are progressing and picking leaders who work in the best interest of their country and not in the interest of lobbyists and corporations. OBAMA!!!

Laura Smith   April 23rd, 2008 8:13 am ET

NYT – You're wrong. Obama is arrogant and has no real plan for all those herds that are following him and his "message". Promises don't turn the country around. Action does and Pennsylvania proves it. Clinton vs. McCain. Get with the program. Obama can go back to Senate 101 and get some education.
HillarYES NObama.

Gail   April 23rd, 2008 8:13 am ET

Give it up Obama followers. He slams Hillary just as much as she does him, except he comes up smelling like roses. Pretty scary that he is untouchable as far as criticism goes, but the people are finally seeing it.

Indiana for Obama   April 23rd, 2008 8:12 am ET

and.......for those bloggers who said as women we should be proud of her! NOT this woman and many millions more! HRC is a disgrace to professional woman in government.....she is just another back room sell out!

Mary   April 23rd, 2008 8:12 am ET

As a staunch Republican and enthusiastic McCain supporter, all this negative stuff by the Democrats is music to my ears. There is also a part of me that, although I loathe what she stands for, hopes that our first serious woman candidate won't let her party chase her away. You go girl! Hillary, you have every right to be there. They're just scared you'll win.

Dee from Charlotte, NC   April 23rd, 2008 8:10 am ET

Again, the questions still remains that if Obama was that great, why has he yet to reached the magic number of 2025 and won a major primary? He certainly has the cash.

Robert Wiseman   April 23rd, 2008 8:10 am ET

That's right...it is the woman's fault.

Kris   April 23rd, 2008 8:10 am ET

Hillary throws out the big state argument, but what I notice is that in every big state she starts out with 20+ margins and blows it as people get to know her and Obama...what's up with that? Obama may have trouble closing but she has to fight like a barracuda to stay viable when people get to know her.

Indiana for Obama   April 23rd, 2008 8:09 am ET

Clinton the world yesterday she "would win at any cost".......she is divisive, a liar and if Obama was deceitful like her and Bill, he would have LOTS of dirt to dish on the these infamous imposter's!

Mary K   April 23rd, 2008 8:09 am ET

Thank you New York Times. The Clinton style is completely self-centered. It is all about her and her turn. She does not appear sincere about anything. I just don't fell I can believe anything she says.

Rick   April 23rd, 2008 8:03 am ET

What a piece of trash story...some of you people believe everything you read...why?

Chris Chance   April 23rd, 2008 8:02 am ET

she barely won by 10% ... thats not good for a woman that was up in some polls 30-40% at the start... that means 20-30% of people in the state all swung to obamas side in the last few weeks.

She gained a few delegates and still is a major looser in the overall popular vote... ya its a win but give me a break

shes won what 16-17 states to obama's 30!

Karl   April 23rd, 2008 8:02 am ET

Why is it that everyone says it is hurting the Democrats to let the process run through? Why do we have all these primaries into June if everyone is trying to get Hillary Clinton out of the race? I do not see where this is hurting the Democrats-I think it is just Obama propaganda to try and seal the deal through the media not by letting the voting process play out. LET THE PEOPLE HAVE THEIR SAY all across the US especially in MI and FL!

Hillary08

marie   April 23rd, 2008 8:02 am ET

Pennsylvania, What happened with you? We thought the negativity was bad from the Clintons before. Now, the silly season will take a turn for the stupidly ridiculous. KNOW when you're being duped, people!

Mr MVP   April 23rd, 2008 8:01 am ET

It's pretty sad when I read so may people againt Senator Obama. He wasn't suppose to win Pa (my home statet) but the last time I checked he was still in the lead. Don't worry all of you Hillary fan's she will read to you her "We Democrats need to all come together now and support Senator Obama speach" really really soon!

Dana Lowe   April 23rd, 2008 8:01 am ET

It's ironic that many white voters are rewarding Clinton with a victory based on her "by any means necessary to win" campaign: the strategy vocalized by Malcom X. The NY Times got it right. I only wish voters could follow suit. Until they do, the Clintons and other politicians will continue to use negative attacks in political campaigns because voters reward such tactics with victory. I expect the Clintons to continue to take the "low road". My true disappointment is with those voters who continue to reward Clinton with victory when she takes the negative path.

Steven McCain   April 23rd, 2008 8:01 am ET

The Times should be run out of town. They endorsed her now they wait till after the election to print this articule. Let Rupert Murdock by them now. they sickening

carolflowery   April 23rd, 2008 8:01 am ET

congratulations, Mrs. Clinton, outstanding victory

Floridian   April 23rd, 2008 8:00 am ET

It's all true. Hilary is doing everything she can to make Obama so unappealing that nobody will vote for him. That is the only way she can convince super delegates that she should be the nominee because she can't win by delegates, which is how everyone else has to win

Helene   April 23rd, 2008 8:00 am ET

Hillary C. is a monster, that's all. Someone who is ready to do anything, including "obliterating" Iran, using dirty old tricks and plain lies to grab power. She makes me deeply ashamed of being a woman.

Bridgitt   April 23rd, 2008 8:00 am ET

Sen. Clinton made a comment about her husband being in 3rd place behind George Bush and Ross Perot in 1992 but he kept going, well that situation was different since he was the only democrat in the race and he wasn't dividing the party. I think Sen. Clinton's pride is getting the best of her, and she is thinking more about herself than the democratic party or this country.

Foo Tam   April 23rd, 2008 8:00 am ET

Why you media gives her such a hard times? After all She and Obama are just playing their role. You think Obama is a saint? You are wrong he just a devil in disguise! You said negatively about her perseverance. You too have a mother, in hard time, I think it is your mother who can do better to carry through and hold the family together. When you attack her, you are attacking all the women including your own mother.

liz   April 23rd, 2008 7:59 am ET

I wonder were any of you Clinton Supporters even listening when she stated TWICE that she would take NUCLEAR ACTION against Iran if it attacked Isreal?????? That is more aggressive than Cheney, Rumsfeld and Buchanan Combined!!! Is that what you want from a supposed Experienced LOBBY Connected President??? Get real!! She LIED about so many things- SNIPER fire In BOsnia- not a misspeak- A repeated Lie- She was not involved in Establishing SCHIP and she did NOT hav e a Security Clearance as First Lady-!!

She will do and SAY anything to get elected!!
Her tyoe of Fake Change is not what we as anation or as the Democratic Party need- She is more of the same!!!

Wake up america!!!!

Corey's Corner   April 23rd, 2008 7:58 am ET

I simply do not trust Hillary Huckabee, oops I mean Hillary Clinton.

Heather Peterson   April 23rd, 2008 7:45 am ET

I have major Clinton-fatigue. Get out already. Let's gang up on the old guy.

Greg, NY   April 23rd, 2008 7:44 am ET

How can you all say the republicans are voting for hillary, they are clearly voting for obama, look at the county voting maps, PA's conservative T including lancaster and harrisburg heavily votes for obama, that is the only reason he caught up in the poles, they want him to win because they know there is no way he can win in the fall

tonyh   April 23rd, 2008 7:44 am ET

There is no doubt that last night's victory involved the race and sex factors. White men and women. The majority of them voted for Billary. Is that a coincidence? No. It is a fact. The Keystone State was taylor-made for her. Let's wait for the other primaries and caucauses. We'll see how the demographic factor plays there.
Obama still has the delegates and popular vote on his side, and that trend will continue til the end. NC will be a deciding factor.
Billary's was a phirric victory.

Ovechkin   April 23rd, 2008 7:43 am ET

She's like a cockroach. I really hope this extremely long democratic battle doesn't hurt them in the end. I honestly think Clinton would rather McCain win so that she could run in 2012.

wanda williams   April 23rd, 2008 7:43 am ET

What I can't get over is that the media just wants to say well look at all the money he spent and could not pull it off. Why don't we say this- her husband has called in every favor in the book, she had all the elected figures behind her and campaingning for her throughout the state (in addition to her ex-PResident husband) and the polls showed Obama with only 30% six weeks ago before and he finishes with 45%. I would ask what is wrong with HER campaign. I hate the spins you all make. Campbell Brown is not a good anchor person- she just repaeats the same questions all the time. Clinton brings up a slant on the results, and she uses that as a fact basis. No matter who you are for, let us present the facts – all the facts-just the facts.

nate   April 23rd, 2008 7:43 am ET

Unemployed shut-ins w no life continue to tell us on here how things really are...

MadBob   April 23rd, 2008 7:43 am ET

Senator Clinton should run as long as she wants to. However, logic dictates that she will remain behind in delegates at the end of the day. It seems unlikely that the superdelegates will overturn that result unless Senator Obama's campaign collapses completely. This is highly unlikely though.

As a european with an intrest in politics I have followed the race closely and Senator Obama seems the one with the personal integrity that we like on this side of the pond. I think he is the one who would restore the standing of the USA with its allies that was so badly damaged by the current administration. Our national politicians have made clear that the majority here would prefer dealing with Obama as well. Unfortunately that does not seem to be a factor in this election, allthough it is (or should be) an important factor as well I think.

Research   April 23rd, 2008 7:42 am ET

If the the state of PA look at its tradition with KKK its only right that they would vote for a white not a black person for president. Some of the counties and cities who have an KKK ties are Hunningdon and Franklin Counties, cities of Mercer, Brewerytown, Brentwood, PA, Gettysburg, PA.,Saint Thomas, PA , Creighton, PA, and the list goes so people Obama odds were against him even if he didn't out spend HRC.

Michael Williams   April 23rd, 2008 7:42 am ET

Hello to every Barack Obama supporter, I too am a supporter of the best candidate for president I have been following this race and I am a little confussed about what happened last night in Pennsylvania and very curious to know if our democratic party is in trouble by all of the negative back and forth actions from both sides to include the Media which blows every little thing into a monster problem especially when its against Barack.... but my question is for anyone who can or will respond even if it is our candidate himself... On 25 March 08 it had been reported everywhere to include this homepage of Barack Obama that there was a record turnout of OVER 4 million people who had registered as demoocratic voters, and with 99% reporting in we can only account for 2,300.542..... what happened???? where did the other 2 million people go??? did we loose them??? do we have any reason to be worried that our party is really being torn down and split apart and what can we do to make sure that this does not happen???

wanda williams   April 23rd, 2008 7:41 am ET

What I can't get over is that the media just wants to say well look at all the money he spent and could not pull it off. Why don't we say this- her husband has called in every favor in the book, she had all the elected figures behind her and campaingning for her throughout the state (in addition to her ex-PResident husband) and the polls showed Obama with only 30% six weeks ago before and he finishes with 45%. I would ask what is wrong with HER campaign. I hate the spins you all make. Campbell Brown is not a good anchor person- she just repaeats the same questions all the time. Clinton brings up a slant on the results, and she uses that as a fact basis. No matter who you are for, let us present the facts – all the facts-just the facts.

Dan   April 23rd, 2008 7:40 am ET

Bill W PA,

America shares your disgust.

drago   April 23rd, 2008 7:40 am ET

Clinton had poisoned her supporters against Obama, by going
Karl Rove way against him. Obama is not so negative about Clinton,
which is why his supporters are more willing to support Hillary
in the general election. Clinton supporters, wake up!

bernj   April 23rd, 2008 7:40 am ET

Let's see, uneducated folks gave Hillary a meaningless victory in PA. So what? It only shows that her appeal is to those who are less likely to see thru her cloud of lies and misrepresentations. Instead of raising the bar politically she lowers it. Clintons argument is amazing similar to George Bush's. Dumb down fear politics IS NOT what the people of America need.

Backlashg20   April 23rd, 2008 7:39 am ET

Hillary said in a speech to black voters "I can relate to the little man! It's tough out there making a living!!

Gross income: $109,175,175, which includes:

Senator Clinton's Senate Salary: $1,051,606

I wonder what that works out to per syllable?

Kris In PA   April 23rd, 2008 7:39 am ET

Get over it NYT and CNN – SHE WON!!! She beat the empty, arrogant one and she beat him big. It's on to victory and the White House becasue the American people have seen through Obama's teflon finally. This has been a very civil campaign compared to other campaigns in the past so your just being "bitter" and defensive because she beat him even with all his money. Plus he was just as if not more negative. So too bad. American patriots cannot be bought people. Wake up!

Martha   April 23rd, 2008 7:39 am ET

Amazing to me how Senator Clinton is held to a higher standard. I like Senator Obama but feel no one ever comments on his negative remarks. Also his body language is steeped in disdain for her. On several of their debates together, it was obvious by snide comments that he didn't think much of her and somehow no one seems to notice that. One of his (now fired) consultants called Ms. Clinton a MONSTER – isn't that incredibly harsh? Can you imagine if the situation were in reverse? Did he even repudiate that? The press just seems to give her a harder time. That said, I'm Canadian so cannot vote in this election, but I wish the best of luck to all 3 candidates – they all seem quite formidable and office-ready, so to speak.

Eric   April 23rd, 2008 7:39 am ET

Hillary Clinton shouldn't stop, the race is close and the delegate count needed for victory hasn't been reached. The majority of the people haven't been heard because Florida and Michigan aren't being heard. I am glad that this whole process is exposing the poor, poor primary system we have. No one gets a real choice but the few early states, mainly Iowa and New Hampshire. The rest of us are basically made to feel like we've had a say.

Legare   April 23rd, 2008 7:39 am ET

People fail to realize that Obama's goal was not to win but close a lead. She had a 20 plus lead against him and he closed it down to 10% so it was money well spent.

grappletail   April 23rd, 2008 7:38 am ET

Obama took it to a 10% spread. Amazing for a black man in an uneducated white woman`s state. Money well spent. Why can`t the Clinton machine take him out ? Hillary`s experience ? 8 years being a philandering presidents wife. Being one of walmarts corporate lawyers ? Defending a pedophile from rape charges against a 12 year old girl ? Super delegates please pry her dead fingers from around this primary.

Michael Ehst   April 23rd, 2008 7:38 am ET

When I was a child, I reasoned like a child, played in the dirt, teased and ridiculed my pears and pointed out there defects to others in order to make myself look better. As I mature, I am trying work with my pears, Learning from them and offering my support when they stumble and no longer play in thte dirt. Note to Senator Clinton. Our words tell of who we want to be, but our actions tell of who we are. I personally would like to have an adult holding the highest public post in this country.

MJC   April 23rd, 2008 7:23 am ET

NYT jumped the shark with the McCain debacle.

Jo   April 23rd, 2008 7:23 am ET

lies.No it is not. Old men.
The party is going to ruins if Obama wins.

He Liang   April 23rd, 2008 7:23 am ET

Reality Check-

Do we honestly value education? Yes, we do, and all the campaigns claim they do. Then, why Mrs. Clinton's has more supporters who are less educated? Why more educated people vote for Obama? Don't you see the truth there? - When you know how to think, how to make an educated comparison, you go for Obama, and you see the true color of the Clintons.

I am utterly surprised that Bill Clinton would be so hungary for more power that he doesn't mind to destroy his own legacy.

OKnolte   April 23rd, 2008 7:23 am ET

OK PEOPLE HOW BLIND ARE YOU..... the fact that the democractic party is allowing this to take place is just unbelievable... BUT also to believe that these candidates actually WANTING CHANGE to who's expence The government don't have money for all these promises being made it's going to come out of yours and my pocket. I don't know about you but I like having what little I have...At least someone in office spoke of a plan to lower gas prices even thou HIS PLAN was heard or followed up.... POLITICIAN ARE AGREED AND HAVE LOST ALL SITE OF WHO THERE WORKING FOR

Anonymous   April 23rd, 2008 7:23 am ET

YOU CAN TELL WHAT I HAVE TO SAY IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE IT IS IN ALL CAPS!

steve   April 23rd, 2008 7:22 am ET

Of course Obama outspent Clinton in PA; he was 26 points behind a short time ago and he needed to get his name/face out there. Also remember that the Clinton's have literally spent years campaigning in the northeastern part of the country and from that perspective, she probably outspent him in total dollars and time ultimately expended on PA. A 10 point difference is impressive for Obama, it means he gained 15-20 points on Clinton in a short while. She is the underdog now, and we all like underdogs

CC   April 23rd, 2008 7:21 am ET

God Bless them. I'm happy that they put to words what people have been thinking.

I hope PA take heed.

Marc Gendron   April 23rd, 2008 7:21 am ET

I disagree. This is a presidential campaign and anything is possible. What's wrong with the NYTimes.... have they loss the meaning of campaigning?
Go Hil!

changed mind   April 23rd, 2008 7:21 am ET

Obama was negative also . I am tired of this double standard. Call it like it is media. They both are running for the most important job in the U.S. His I am better than though is getting old. He says he does not go old politics but it shows up on the air waves and on tv. By the way if he followed his politics he should be in jail or fined 100,000. Look it up : Obama inrtroduces legislation to criminalize election day fraud. Nov 2006 look it up. Misleading fliers and robo calls.He has done both.

Matt   April 23rd, 2008 7:20 am ET

Hillary is playing softball compared to the hardball that Obama can face from the Republicans.

Roger Simon   April 23rd, 2008 7:20 am ET

She has essentially cost the democratic party the election before it has even begun.

DSB   April 23rd, 2008 7:17 am ET

4 + 8 + 8 = 20

Twenty years. Twenty years of Bush / Clinton, twenty!!!!!. Some of you want to make it twenty-four or possibly twenty-eight?

I loved Bill Clinton but it's time for a change people.

Joseph   April 23rd, 2008 7:17 am ET

To the 45% of PA that voted correctly - I congratulate you. Congratulations, Barack - on narrowing Clinton's 20 point margin.

To the 55% of PA that got it wrong, I pity you. No wonder the PA economy sucks and most of your young want to move out of that state.

"Forgive them, father, for they know not what they do..."

Jimmy   April 23rd, 2008 7:17 am ET

Haha, and look who is being negative now NY Times. Just further proof of the media's bias in favor of Obama.

Andy in PA   April 23rd, 2008 7:16 am ET

I'm just glad they are leaving Pennsylvania.
Go away, take your precious delegates and
annoying advertising to the next state

JED   April 23rd, 2008 7:16 am ET

Victory, victory for Clinton? At what cost?

Dishonesty and tearing down your opponent is Clinton politics! How can she win otherwise!

What is so disheartening is that media is her chief supporter!

Rob Bachorik   April 23rd, 2008 7:16 am ET

Hillarys plane is just 5 point from a crash. Question is,,,,when will she put on the chute and jump out!

Mike   April 23rd, 2008 7:15 am ET

Shame on Pennsylvania for voting for that backstabbing, two faced, hag. The dems have no hope for victory should Hillary get the nomination. Like many other moderate Americans out there, should Hillary actually receive the nomination – my vote will sway from Obama to McCain.

SJ Thornton   April 23rd, 2008 7:08 am ET

People don't you see she supports NAFTA? Don't you see she voted for the war?

Marlene   April 23rd, 2008 7:07 am ET

To bad the uneducated, easily swayed, country bumpkins of PA couldn't see what the shrill's supposed "home state" can see. Hillary brings nothing positive to the nation. She is a negative individual and if by some slim chance manages to bully more people and win the nomination we will see how much further she and Bill will sink. I honestly did not think he could sink lower than he did while President. Guess I was wrong.

Connie   April 23rd, 2008 7:06 am ET

Congratulations to the Archie Bunker voters in Pennsylvania. But too bad, you lose.

OBAMA '08/'12

Peter   April 23rd, 2008 7:05 am ET

Im amazed at the emotions being vented in the comments coming from this primary campaign. Reading them is almost as good as watching professional wrestling. Americans really do love a good fight, to hell with the idea of working together for the betterment of all. What amazes me most is that after the fight is over people complain that they don't like the president they elected. I don't get it: you vote for professional wrestlers, you get professional wrestlers.

NY BLUEBIRD   April 23rd, 2008 7:05 am ET

Congratulations to Mrs. Clinton. Reality won over rhetoric and idealism, imagine that! If the NY Times thinks Hillary has been negative; what do they think the McCain campaign is going to do? They'd have had a field day with Mr. Obama. This is politics people!

frank ware   April 23rd, 2008 7:05 am ET

Ads with Ben Laden, threats to obliterate Iran if they attack countries under Hillary's magic umbrella – if this is the real Hillary there is enough to dislike without the attack adds. She seems shameless next we here that N.C. is not important and that Indiana is under some unique threat. Obama should ignor her – she is poison.

hilary supporter   April 23rd, 2008 7:05 am ET

I have to laugh at the racism charges–Last I heard, the African-Americans were voting 92% for Obama. This is after the Clintons supported their causes for many years. I won't charge racism, just disloyalty.

Jen   April 23rd, 2008 7:05 am ET

OBAMA HAS GIVEN THEM MONEY

Sue Z   April 23rd, 2008 7:04 am ET

I was at least pleased to hear Hillary talk about the historic possibility that the United States could have an African America President. If she would just continue to talk issues like she did in her speech last night, and spend less time trying to cut down her opponent, I would actually consider voting for her. But I am so turned off when she uses cheap tactics to try and distract Obama from delivering his message of hope, one we ALL need (and one, by the way, that got her husband elected when he was untested – remember the "man from Hope?").

Hillary, North Carolina is not just an African-American state. There are plenty of white, college-educated voters who would love to hear how you will fix this country and this world, not how much you dislike Obama. Change your tactics, and maybe, just maybe, we might listen to you.

caroline   April 23rd, 2008 7:04 am ET

if this nasty woman is elected, I will vote Mc Cain. he is more liberal and less nasty than her. She is not a winner.....no one who wins with nasty strategies is.

Brando   April 23rd, 2008 7:04 am ET

NYT: The lies you told, the secrets you keep.

9999   April 23rd, 2008 7:04 am ET

It's very unlikely this is going to end up being Hilary vs. McCain. Let's hope not. If you think Bush is bad, which most people do, Hilary will be ten times worse.

Nino   April 23rd, 2008 7:04 am ET

Double Digits Does It. What a good, no what a GREAT punchline.

Under the condition that you obtain a double digit lead, anything less would imply the end of your campaign.

Note, that Mrs. Clinton is the projected winner with a 9,4 percent lead.

Alison   April 23rd, 2008 7:04 am ET

Having knocked on doors for Obama in Pennsylvania, I can tell you from first hand experience that the majority of people who voted for Clinton had strong racist attitudes. One man flat out told me he was a racist.

Also, many Clinton supporters tended to be missing a lot of teeth.

I would be ashamed if I were she. But she's too shameless.

The New York Times should never have endorsed her but I am glad they are calling her out on this. She could lose her Senate seat.

Henry - New Zealand   April 23rd, 2008 7:03 am ET

It is hard to believe that the American people could possibly contemplate having for a president someone who is prepared to, in her own words, "obliterate" an entire nation i.e. Iran. I am sure this is rhetoric but it is the same kind of rhetoric that led Hillary Clinton to support the war in Iraq, something which she wants now, desperately, to back peddle on. Obama, on the other hand, is a person who is a tough listener. No knee jerk reactions from him. Come on Americans, the choice is obvious. Yes, if Clinton were the only choice is way ahead of anything the Republicans have to offer but she is not the only choice you have on offer.

Kevin   April 23rd, 2008 7:03 am ET

I find it amazing how many are so stupid as to believe that "Operation Chaos" is not behind much of this. This is going to destroy the Democratic party and won't have a chance come November. The only Democrat that will win will be McCain since he is such an incredible liberal. Almost more that Billary or Barrack Mohammed Hussein OBAMA. Cnn keeps on not printing stories as well as the drive by media continually denies that Operation Chaos is not behind. What a joke. The Clinton News Network turned Obama News Network doesn't surprise me anymore.

FYI   April 23rd, 2008 7:03 am ET

I like Hillary, but I saw on Youtube that her Pastor or ex-Pastor was convicted on a sex child abuse case. Shouldn't the news channels in this country have something to say about that?

S Callahan Captial District New York State   April 23rd, 2008 7:02 am ET

You can bet there are stories to be told of the connection between the Bush's dynasty and Clinton dynasty being interconnected. It is visually obvious. Shame on your Hillary, you sold us all out.

Joyce in Florida   April 23rd, 2008 7:01 am ET

Yeah!!!!! Hillary Clinton won Pennsylvania and she will win Indiana and others. I am so proud of her. I sincerely hope that she will be our nominee for President. She is the strongest candidate by far and she has shown she will bring our country around. Keep fighting Senator Clinton. It will be well worth it and I can't wait to see you in the White House again. GO HILLARY 08!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ken   April 23rd, 2008 7:00 am ET

To the NY Times Editorial board and to Obama

If you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen.

Politics is a contact sport. Good for her.

Frankie   April 23rd, 2008 6:59 am ET

The New York times makes a very important point. The negative campaining resembles what occurred under the Bush Campaigns.
That was fear. Under fear people cannot make decisions about what
matters internally in the US, economy, crime, and enviroment. Clinton's mainstream conservatism is not that different than Bush's.

godson   April 23rd, 2008 6:59 am ET

Americans do not know what they need. The war has driven the econmoy to the bush, and they are voting for another war. Yes another war as Hilary wants to obliterate Iran. Is it not time to change the perception of America all over the world?

Raymond Cocteau   April 23rd, 2008 6:58 am ET

For someone who is supposed to be educated, Hillary Clinton doesn't seem to understand the concept of a Pyhrric victory. Her net gain from her 'win' was 6 delegates, she STILL can't win.

It is clear now that her goal is to damage Senator Obama to the point where the Super Delegates deem in unelectable. When she creates a commercial that uses video of Osama Bin Laden, she has clearly demonstrated that she is willing to stoop to that level just to eek out a hollow victory.

The super delegates should reject this type of republican fear mongering and reject Hillary Clinton immediately. She MUST NOT profit from using gutter politics.

jorge thompson   April 23rd, 2008 6:58 am ET

I didn't notice the NYT complaining when Obama was chiding
her to reveal her income tax returns, and saying "what is she
hiding?"

Or when Obama (and the NYT) claimed that Clinton had
lied about the pregnant woman who lost her life because of
a bad health system.

Or the Obama memos pointing to framing Bill Clinton as a
racist.

Double standard going on at the NYT?

Ronald   April 23rd, 2008 6:57 am ET

HOW COME THE MEDIA HAS NOTHING TO SAY REGARDING THE SEX CHILD ABUSE SITUATION WITH HILLARY's PASTOR.

jeremy   April 23rd, 2008 6:57 am ET

Ok people Clinton won! GOOD JOB, BUT BIG WHOOP ! Still no chance to catch up, She is slipping in the national polls, even lost support from her own people. No how much the negative adds, Us obama supporters are always going to be fired up and ready to go do what it takes, for Barack to be president. She is not trustworthy just like her husband. So she wanted to use osama bin laden in her commercial, thats pretty low! Especially when we had him in our sights but unfortunately Bill Was Playing with Monica at the time, and needed to take care of his own interest and he forgot about the american people and our safety. Why doesnt Hillary denounce Ed Rendell for his praise of Farrakhan? People of North Carolina/Indiana and the rest of the states that have primaries and caucause's left don't be blind by the negative ads/attacks. TOGETHER PEOPLE WE CAN GET THE COUNTRY TO WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE, AND IN THE END WE NEED TO ALL COME TO GETHER IN THE GENERAL AND GET THE REPUBLICANS OUT OF THE OFFICE.

jo   April 23rd, 2008 6:57 am ET

There are lots of reports now that voting machines in Philly were broken, turned off and voters' registrations were changed from Democratic to unafilliated.

Sounds like a law suit is brewing.

Kevin Morrison   April 23rd, 2008 6:56 am ET

Tactics of the desperate.

What else would be expected?

If you expect these two to "play nice," you are sadly mistaken and naive.

Rebecca   April 23rd, 2008 6:56 am ET

I agree with the NYTimes. I was truly in love with the Clintons...that is, until Billary started their antics. I have been a democrat all my life and for the first time since I've been old enough to vote, if they continue their antics and Obama loses, I will not vote...period. I'd rather see McCain in office knowing full well what he will do than to have Billary their lying and not ever knowing what they're up to or what they're capable of doing.

I'm finished with the Clintons and the democratic party if they let the republicans run the democratic party.

Janet   April 23rd, 2008 6:55 am ET

Hillary's new ad, evoking 9-11 with images of bin Laden, brought back memories of the old anti-Goldwater ad. All it was missing was the little girl picking daisies and the mushroom cloud. When did the Clinton's hire Karl Rove?

Guess if you overplay the gender card, you start dealing the fear card – hey, it worked for Dubya, so why change?

Let's have more footage of Hillary and Chelsea dodging that sniper fire in Bosnia!

Pistoff   April 23rd, 2008 6:55 am ET

It's pathetic that so many Americans support this self-serving, divisive figure. She's all set to bomb Iran and people just gobble it up. Pathetic.

James   April 23rd, 2008 6:55 am ET

KICK 'EM WHILE THEY'RE GETTING UP CNN.

THANK YOU PENN FOR VOTING SMART.

NOW INDIANA. I'M DONATING ANOTHER $350 TO HILLARY. ANY MATCHES?

HILLARY 08

Jennifer from Ohio   April 23rd, 2008 6:55 am ET

Wow – what a strategic move by the NY Times – she comes out winning by 10% and then you slam her. Her home state – shame on you.

The press is negative – everytime you turn on the tv or read something, the media has a new spin on everything. Its a continuously feeding, viscious cycle. Nothing is ever positive – there's always a "plot" created to sway and/or attract viewers. It seems like a soap opera – news isnt news anymore – its continuous drama and make believe.

Ralph   April 23rd, 2008 6:54 am ET

Universal Healthcare should include free lobotomys to all Liberals. Wait. Youve already had it done.

Tim   April 23rd, 2008 6:54 am ET

Hillary was always going to win Penn. She will now lose NC. And Indiana will be up in the air. She needs 80% of the rest of the pledged delegates and needs 75% of the superdelegates to make it a close race.

Arnold Schwarzenegger said it best in one of his movies:

YOU LOSE

Shay   April 23rd, 2008 6:54 am ET

I think that this whole election is a big farce! And we will find out how much of a farce it really is if Hillary comes away with the democratic nomination. I think that Hillary's whole campaign is a huge discredit to women and to the democratic party. That is why they have failed to put a presidential candidate in office for the last FEW years. I am a Republican who really does want CHANGE and HOPE; and that is why I voted for Obama. To me, he is the only candidate that keeps me from wanting to drive off of a bridge. It is a shame that this country is too naive and too color struck to see what this man has to offer. Perhaps, it is America's downfall...maybe it speaks to the beginning of an end...I tell you what any ELECTION that can literally mutilate a PASTOR to a point that he has to go into hiding cannot possibly be a good thing!

jph   April 23rd, 2008 6:52 am ET

Unfortunately we are going to end up with another republican president. Obamma can't win the general and Clinton can't win the nomination. I believe this is for two reasons. One the leadership of the party has failed and two the media herds us like sheep through the process. Our only hope is to go to the convention and look to someone else. My suggestion would be Joe Biden.

Kim   April 23rd, 2008 6:51 am ET

You don't have to wonder if Hillary is the come back kid. I think last night proved it. People are finally starting to wake up and elect our next president on experience not popularity. This is a real job it is not fun and games. You go Hillary!

FEDUP   April 23rd, 2008 6:51 am ET

I still don't know who Obama is? I don't trust him, that I do know. I cannot believe he spent 20 years in that hateful church and never heard or was influenced by that type of anti-American sentiments. don't understand what he means by change? Change what? This isn't like moving your furniture around. If you have people like Kennedy and Kerry leading you around, how is this change? Doesn't every candidate profess change? We will change who lives in the White House, that's a given. We will elect a new President, thank God. We will not change the way the wheels turn in Washington. We do need a person who knows which wheels to grease and how. We need Hillary Clinton. You can not just talk to your enemys, you must have a plan. You must carry a big stick.

Khan-Canada   April 23rd, 2008 6:51 am ET

Is negetivity the hall mark of American democracy? I compliment the NY Times for a somehwat honest article. I fear for Americans who believe that Hillary's visits to foreign countries constitute to foreign policy expereince? What did she negotiate. If she ever wins the nomination, the democrats will be loosers!! This is the kind of campaign that turns off non Americans as well. Its difficult to look up to the US after seeing their democracy in action. Its all about power,money, lies,fabrication,deciet,accustaions!! Wow, what a country. The democratic party has done more harm to their candidates then they will ever know by allowing such nonsense.

marshall   April 23rd, 2008 6:51 am ET

THIS IS THE FIRST TIME IN MY LIFE I FEEL ASHAMED TO BE CALLED a pennsylvanian !
I'M GLAD THE YOUNGER GENERATION HAS MOVED BEYOND THE COLOR DIVISIONS.
HILLARY ALWAYS WAS GOOD AT PRAYING ON A PERSONS WEAKNESS. Hillary cares about one thing and it's not "THE PEOPLE"
it's going in the history books as the first woman president ,
PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Wake up........

ESTHER   April 23rd, 2008 6:51 am ET

OKAY, YOU HILLARY HATE-MONGERS, YOU STILL DON'T GET IT? EVEN WITH CLINTON'S LAST 3 LARGE STATE WINS AND YOU STILL DON'T ADMIT SHE IS A WINNER? SHAME ON YOU!

HOW CAN YOU POSSIBLY THINK THAT A FRESHMAN SENATOR WHO HAS ONLY BEEN IN OFFICE LESS THAN 3 YEARS IS READY TO BE PRESIDENT? OBAMA STARTED CAMPAIGNING 3 WEEKS AFTER BEING ELECTED SENATOR. HAHA....WHAT A GUY... HE REMINDS ME OF A TODDLER WHO WANTS THE LATEST TOY.

WAKE UP AND SMELL THE ROSES!

GO HILLARY CLINTON...YOU'VE GOT WHAT IT TAKES!!!

story   April 23rd, 2008 6:50 am ET

as newspaper said this morning
obama´s army media
it is disgrace
it looks like
a lot of the media
is on hussein´s payroll
1.- media has been bias
2.-media has not done the job.of lletting people know who this guys is & that is what journalism should be about
3.-if one gets sick;one wants to go at least to a certified physician, NOT TO A MEDICAL STUDENT, well with hussein the same , this fast race smell really bad,he has not been a politician enough to be a president, he came in the senate monday, & tuesday he was running x president, sort of speak

Rick   April 23rd, 2008 6:50 am ET

Interesting posts today. I live in PA and am ashamed Clinton won. But I have to admit that the reason she won had everything to do with race. All you have to do is listen to the remarks of Govenor Rendell who said in Feb, that PA is not ready to vote for a Black man. He is right. Very sad we do not have more progressive minded individuals living in this state. The "outspent" remark by Clinton is stupid – if she had the money she would have used it to saturate the airwaves with her hate. I think the money Obama spent was well worth it to cut her lead from the 25 point advantage down to the final 9.4% she got. The arguement that she has won all the major states is misplaced. Look at the polls today and see that Obama is leading McCain in CA and NY will never vote republican. Texas was so close, and I think so many who voted for Clinton have since wished they hadn't, that I think Obama can put that in play for the dems. I do not think this changes anything. Will Clinton get major donations from this after winning so few delegates? With the odds stacked so much much in Obama's favor, why not flush the cash down the toilet rather than donating it to Clinton. Clinton in is 2012 mode right now. She is trying to ensure Obama will fail in November so she is ready to try this again in 2012. The people who are following her blindly, and would rather see McCain in the White House better not have young kids – in case he brings back the draft to support his Iraq war.

Amal, Bahrain   April 23rd, 2008 6:50 am ET

Looks like America forgot about everyone OUTSIDE the US who looks up to your 'democratic' ways. Is your system broken? Do you not see genuine anymore?

All you have are scare tactics and endless threats. What have we learnt since dubya threatened Saddam? Now Hilary with Iran? Where will the WOMD be next? Venezuella? or god forbid your new nemisis China?

Obama has a point, reek havoc in a region that supplies your oil, prices will go up! I am still waiting for the day that Americans show gratitude for those of us on this side of the world that are eternally in love with anything American... Want ur shares of Citigroup or Merril back anyone??

What would we know though, even with an American accent, American clothing, American car, still have a lot to learn on American politics, and your need to elect those who manipulate the press.

PS Obama (or Clinton) has yet to mention that his Revrend counceled the Clintons after their marital problems in the White House. He didnt mention it in the debate because he has integrity. Make the educated choice!

Kevin   April 23rd, 2008 6:50 am ET

I have to agree with mark on that one. Old,poor, racist, uneducated, white people love hillary.

justjoe   April 23rd, 2008 6:50 am ET

Over ninety percent of blacks voted for Obama and over 70 percent of whites voted for Clinton. Are we afraid to say this has become a contest about race. Perhaps I did the Bill Clinton thing. Do you think it might also be a gender thing?
After last night's thrashing, if she did the "right" thing and got out today, Obama would not stand a chance. She would be see as too big a "man" and he vanquished.

Joe S.   April 23rd, 2008 6:50 am ET

Look what's happened.

McCain will be our next president.

This extended primary has damaged both Democratic candidates to the point that neither will be able to beat McCain in the Fall.

This is a sad day for the Democrats.

And nothing can be done about it at this point. The damage is done.

Thank you Hillary Clinton.

not a superdelegate   April 23rd, 2008 6:49 am ET

So Hillary won, but look how low she had to go to get her win.
Her conduct has been shameful.
I prefer Obama.

rj   April 23rd, 2008 6:49 am ET

i think everyone sees that she's negative. even the polls in PA showed that people thought she was way more negative than Obama. I think the Chief KKK member of PA, Ed Rendell, called it when he said White People in PA would never vote for a Black President. So, obviously if they think she's more negative but still vote for her, it must be because they can't vote for a Black person and she was the only other option. I think the media is biased toward Clinton because if she gets in they know they're guaranteed four more years of scandals which is what keeps them in business.

Maryann   April 23rd, 2008 6:48 am ET

You are completely ridiculous CNN; your so-called “best political panel” last night was stumbling as usual when Clinton wins, it’s shameful that you are selling out your viewers/American voters. It’s childish that a station like CNN cannot give credit where credit is due! Senator Clinton WON BUY DOUBLE DIGITS! Outstanding after all the months of bashing YOU HAVE DONE and the 12million dollars Obama spent on negative politics and STILL OBAMA LOST BIG! THAT’S THE NEWS!!! How can you continue to claim you’re the best political news when it obvious to viewers and the public that your not, your clearly one sided with your continued coronation of a man who openly supports white hate and refuses to explain why he surrounds himself with those who hate Americans and you push him to be the President of our great but troubled country. You are risking our country’s security! Stop the stupid biased pushing of Obama, you have lost credibility with viewers, it’s very apparent that you are on Obama payroll.
DEMOCRATES NEED CLINTON, OBAMA WOULD MOST CERTINALLY LOSE IN A GENERAL ELECTION

GO HILLARY!

Miguel   April 23rd, 2008 6:48 am ET

The NY Times is right on. Clinton has a win at all costs strategy. The strategy appears to be to undermine Obama for this election so that she has another shot at it in 4 years. Despite winning in Pennsylvania (a place she should have won by a landslide, since she has deep roots here), she is no closer to the nomination now than she was before the PA primary. The democratic nominee will be Barack Obama, and she is using tactics right out of the Republican playbook. From a practical standpoint, the General election has already begun, and Obama is running against two Republicans.

Chip- Ont Canada   April 23rd, 2008 6:48 am ET

Only in America...LOL

Andrea   April 23rd, 2008 6:48 am ET

A big disappointment for me in this election, aside from the lack of objectivity on the part of some "journalists", is the call for halting the democratic process. Neither democratic candidate has won the number of delegates yet to secure the nomination. We as a nation must be mature enough to allow the process to conclude. Let each vote count. We know what happened in 2000 when democracy was subverted. This is not an election for high school president, folks. Please grow up.

NoBama   April 23rd, 2008 6:47 am ET

"The Pennsylvania campaign, which produced yet another inconclusive result on Tuesday..."

Huh??? How is winning a state by 10 points an "inconclusive result"?

Remember, this is from the paper that printed a pandering, dishonest story above the fold allegeding an affair John McCain had with a lobbyist.

And they call Clinton negative?

Keep losing subscribers and money NY Times.

lol   April 23rd, 2008 6:47 am ET

all of us "bitter" people in PA sent obama a message and that is drop out of the race, hillary is smarter, tougher, and offers solutions. obama outspent her again, and still lost by double digits, he can't carry big must win states. wake up dnc, hillary can beat mccain, obama can't.

Richard Ward (ex-pat), Paris, France   April 23rd, 2008 6:46 am ET

So it seems that we will have to get used to the idea of President McCain for 4 years. What a shame! We had no one to blame but ourselves for the elections in 2004 but in 2008 we will have no one to blame but self-centered, power hungry politicians.

Ron   April 23rd, 2008 6:46 am ET

Wow you would think that Hillary won but she can't beat Obama. Frankly she doesn't make sense. It is about time we changed for the better and I agree with kathy on this issue. Obama is a fresh and energetic candidate who would go the distance. He is very diverse. Hillary might be college educated with some experience but that is only because her hubby is helping her out, and you would think he was running instead of Hillary. Don't care how much experience you have or what family you came from the american people need an african american president. We need to show the world that americans can change and vote for someone who will not do what Clinton suggests, like her war mongering comment about going to war if Iran hits Isreal. At least Obama isn't like the "OLE hats" as Clinton and MCCAIN!I know Obama can win because he can turn out more younger population and lets face it the youn ger generation decides our country future so good bye to the older generation like Clinton & MCCain.

Dr. AmyJai Knowles   April 23rd, 2008 6:45 am ET

Mirror, Mirror on the wall who is the fairest of them all? And, the Mirror replies, "Try as hard as you can, but Omaba remains the Nation's man." Now let's move on to the true business of the day.

CAROLYN   April 23rd, 2008 6:43 am ET

THANK YOU FOR A HONEST ARTICLE ON HILLARY CLINTON. I AM VERY HAPPY TO HEAR SOME ONE WHO SUPPORTS HER HAVING THE COURAGE TO SPEAK TO WHAT IS EVIL. I AM NOT SAYING HILLARY IS EVIL, HOWEVER, USING ANY REFERENCE OF SEPTEMBER 11, TO MAKE A POINT IS JUST LOW.

Shaun   April 23rd, 2008 6:43 am ET

I was living in Bangladesh some years ago when Hilary clinton's biography was released. Everyone rushed to buy the book. It was clear that Hilary Clinton is very much admired around the world as someone who cares and who has the experience and ability to lead the American people. She is a strong fantastic woman who deserves the support of her people to be the first woman President of the US.

The women of the world and progressive men and women around. She has the ability to turn around the American economy and world view. We congratulate her on her well deserved win in Piladelphia.

Nicolas Smith   April 23rd, 2008 6:42 am ET

Race and gender decided that election, competition for limited resources plays big in PA, OH, TX. Bitterness is not the word it is the Conflict sociological theory off course the PA clinton voters didn't do sociology 101.

Lea Wakeman   April 23rd, 2008 6:42 am ET

I totally agree with the NYT's analysis on Mrs. Clinton's attitude. I was a Hillary supporter earlier. But throughout her campaign process, she proved to be untrustworthy. She tarnishes the Democratic Party, she brings the campaign in an ugly and low moral level. Her so called victory in Pennsylvanian only sets up a further dirty example for the society: don't stand high, play any dirty tactics if you can to get where you want to be. She also corners her rival in an unfair way: if you try to be noble and rightful, and ignore her dirty tricks, then you'll be hit repeatedely, and you are weak; if you finally hit her back, then you play old politics.

Let me tell you, Mrs. Clinton: when no body dare to vote against the Iraq war, Senetor Obama stood all alone and voted against it. This is a real toughness that you never had!

Stephen   April 23rd, 2008 6:41 am ET

Why does she stay in the race even though she cannot win?

McCain is old. It will be tough for him to win two terms. Beat on Obama now, make him vulnerable. If she can't win this time, she will be back in 2012. But she can only be back in 2012, if McCain beats Obama now.

It's all about Hillary. It's all about ambition.

Glen Wilson   April 23rd, 2008 6:41 am ET

I find this newspapers's stand on this matter to be amusing. The Democratic Party has waged a seven year "war" against the Bush administration. Their tactics have included personal attacks, half truths, name calling etc.... Why would the New York Times expect anything different in the campaign. As an aside, the reference to Karl Rove is nonsense. The Democratic Party has their fair share of "Karl Rove's". The fact is that the state of American politics is poor. If the media outlets quit giving airtime to sound bites, half truths and personal smears, in other word once again became news organizations, maybe the nonsense would stop.

Anthony   April 23rd, 2008 6:38 am ET

It's funny how Sen Clinton can go negative so quickly, but when she makes a mistake it is written off. Has anyone noticed that her excuse for not correctly remembering her "hail of sniper fire" fiasco was that it was late (11pm)? However, one of her ad campaigns was "Who do you want answering the White House phone at 3am?" Based off of her reasoning, if 11pm is late, then she clearly isn't qualified to make decisions at 3am.

tina   April 23rd, 2008 6:36 am ET

this is the most painful debate i ever seen every one so worried about the black and white vote when this election is over what about the black and spanish people will they come together this is a question people wonder why most of the spanish race is voting for hillary why alright spanish people i smell a big fat rat

TJ   April 23rd, 2008 6:36 am ET

I love the intelligence these readers have. Do they really think Clinton
won. (Ever heard winning the battle but loosing the war?) Obama did exactly what he set out to do in Pa, (do not let Clinton win with an overwhelming victory..).She gains what? A net gain of 3 delegates.?
She is sinking, and she knows it..The longer this draws out, the better
the Republicans look. They don't even have to spend their own money
on negative ads, The Dems are doing a good job.

Ryan   April 23rd, 2008 6:36 am ET

It's NOT 10% victory...it's single digit . Do the math 9.3%!

Disgusted with democrats   April 23rd, 2008 6:34 am ET

She's just too desperate for a female role model.

I'm a woman who'ld love to see a woman become president but I just can't stand her scheming!

Soon she'll toss us her divorce from Bill if she can't justify her next choke up.

Jane   April 23rd, 2008 6:34 am ET

THANK YOU! PA. NOW ON TO INDIANA! GO HILLARY!

Joe Green   April 23rd, 2008 6:33 am ET

OMG! The NYT is dissing Hillary? Wow!

Something is up.

Voters in upstate NY and Pennsylvania love Hillary, but that is why they live in burned -out factory towns. They simply don't know any better, and they keep thinking that "those good paying Union jobs" are going to come back any day now, if they just stick with the Mafia-ridden union....

...and vote for a former direcor of Wal-Mart.

Have any of you ever BEEN to Pennsylvania? The whole State is built into the side of a hill....

...over an abandoend coal mine...that's been on fire since 1972.

Jim   April 23rd, 2008 6:33 am ET

I can only guess that PA doesn't care how many more of their jobs are outsourced, or if the border is ever secured, or about what scandals the next president causes, or how much money they steal. They chose the proven liar with the proven liar for a husband. They must not want anything to change.

Jerry in Florida   April 23rd, 2008 6:32 am ET

Were you folks expecting anything else from the morons at the NY Times? Of course, Senator Obama and his misguided supporters will be jumping from joy.

However, caution, don't rule Senator Clinton out.

Stay tuned!

Go Hillary, go!

Mike, Cape Cod   April 23rd, 2008 6:32 am ET

10 pt. lead. Congratulations. She needed a 30 to 60pt lead though to
put a dent in Obama's campaign. Pennsylvania is probably the last
state that Hillary can get away with her kind of politics. 6 more delegates
won't hurt Senator Obama's lead, so let her fly her balloons for a couple
of days.

Obama 08,

Alice Hurst   April 23rd, 2008 6:32 am ET

I oppose candidates who go negative, negative and negative. Electing such a person will not be trusted and is not respected by other heads of state. Clinton is farther right on a new war (with Iran), than the McCain.
When was the last time Iran attacked another country? The US is frightening them and feel we will attack them, thus their efforts for self defense.

Trish-For America   April 23rd, 2008 6:31 am ET

We have all turned into FOX news and there is not a single American who looks at anything objectively anymore. The "hate and discontent" has risen to levels that make us all ugly and selfish including our politicians. We are the ones to blame for own problems, no one cares anymore unless it benefits us.

rw md   April 23rd, 2008 6:29 am ET

Obama started it and the democratic party has gone out of there way
to see Obama win.
If the democrat's didn't split the delagates in the larger states
and do what the republicans do, winner take all, she would
have it but since Obama promised his wife if he lost he
wouldn't run again the party want's him to win now.
Some of the things he's said like " your typical white people"
if Clinton would have said "typical black people" she would have
been nailed to the wall, he get's away with murder.
When she slipped up early on about giving driver's licences
to illeagal's, she got attacked for week's, he say's it and nothing.
This election is bought and paid for by the democratis party and
Barrack Obama.
If Obama win's the nomination count me in with Lou Dobb's, no
dog in this hunt catagory, INDEPENDANT.

Steve   April 23rd, 2008 6:27 am ET

Fear = Minds....

Paige   April 23rd, 2008 6:27 am ET

We need to think about Bin Laden and 9/11. Its still fresh in my mind. A video couldn't even express how bad these events really were and could be again. So shame on you for making out like it didn't happen. It did and right in your own back yard.

Viv   April 23rd, 2008 6:27 am ET

Pennsylvania has the second oldest community in the states, they also have the largets blue collar and non college grads bases, so why wouldn't we expect for Hillary to win. I htink that people need to remember that a year and half ago, no one knew Obama. For someone like Obama to gain in on Hillary as he has, to be the front runner with a fomer first lady of a popular former president, that is amazing. I still think that Obama deserves and will have the nomination. Obama 08 & 12

Edwin   April 23rd, 2008 6:25 am ET

WOW she's picked up 4 whole delegates on Obama. What a smashing victory! At this rate she'll need 78 more states to be created and win those primaries just so she can catch up.

She just wants to make sure that the democrats lose the election...

Kathy   April 23rd, 2008 6:25 am ET

So what if Clinton won she s still behind. The Clinton dynasty is so very desperate. Her husband lies especially about the controversey where he states the race card issue. And it was recorded and he denied he said it on the talk show. Well they played it and again he was caught in a lie. Frankly you tink he was running for president and that is all she has is him plugging for her. Seems like you folks out there don't realize that Obama is an american citizen, not a muslim, and most of you folks are so afraid to have another person like Obama in the White House because he is an african american.And you folks seem that you don't have any faults and you folks think you perfect like Hillary. Shame on her for shoeing the very negative. The big joke out there is which pant suit is she wearing today. We all know she wears the pants in her house don't we. I am very happy with voting for Obama and I am an indepdent who know we need a more engerized, younger, and new face instead of that old Clinton & Bush running machine. We need someone else who can beat the medicare presidential nominee McCain. The superdelegates will pick Obama.

Seed   April 23rd, 2008 6:24 am ET

9/11 is the reality of American history and a major influencing factor at the present time. If Elites journalist wants Democrats to concede that to Republican party we will end up with anothe John Kerry.

We need to win and protect this country. We need to be proud of this country and Senator Clinton is proud of this Country since her birth. She does not need to wait until "adultwood" or only "recently" to become proud of this Country

Elizabeth   April 23rd, 2008 6:24 am ET

Thank you NY Times for telling the truth. I believe there is nothing Hillary wouldn't do to get in White House. Even at the expense of her family, the people, the party, the House and Senate. When she is finished there will be nothing be shambles. All the Clinton's know is how to play s down and dirty.
NY Times why don't you ask the Clinton's for the list of the people that made donations to the Clinton :Library. Then everyone will see just how dirty they are. They are always hiding something. It awful when 58% of the people don't trust Hillary. That is really sad.

God Bless America

Jimmy SC   April 23rd, 2008 6:23 am ET

I wish the people of Penn would have figured out who this woman really is and put an end to this thing! What has changed? He is still too far ahead for her to catch up. Although, I will give the Clintons some credit... They do know how to lie, cheat, and steal! Guess thats her plan now! COME ON SUPER DELEGATES, PLEASE END THIS THING BEFORE SHE DOES SO MUCH DAMAGE THAT WE HAVE G.W.B.'S CLONE IN THE WHITE HOUSE!

Mark   April 23rd, 2008 6:23 am ET

Old Racist White People Prefer Clinton.

Chuks   April 23rd, 2008 6:22 am ET

Much ado about winning. Why not give credit to whom it is due. Obama deserves credit for closing the gap with Clinton in Penn. Everyone knew Clinton was going to win. Obama did great by proving the pro Clintons wrong that he was not going to be disgraced by a wide margin as they had hoped. The Clintons (Husban & Wife) are liars. Obama is a great personality contesting against husband, wife and daugther and still winning all the way both in fund raising and votes. It is time for America to leave color and race behind and vote for reality. God bless America.

Mike C   April 23rd, 2008 6:22 am ET

Hillary claims to ready on Day One which fails to explain why she is behind in the race on Day 121. If she's such a great leader, why is she trailing in every category... popular vote, delegates, campaign cash.

douadavid   April 23rd, 2008 6:22 am ET

Wow! Finally , people knew the true and dark side of Obama and vote d for Hillary in my State of PA. If Hillary doesn not win the primary , all my freinds will vote for Jonh Mcain in the the general election because Obama play a racist card. Go Go Hillary.

Larry   April 23rd, 2008 6:21 am ET

Hillary is the 'comeback kid.' She is also the candidate that won't go away...................

Lou - NH   April 23rd, 2008 6:20 am ET

And she did all of this with a popular govenor, 100 plus maayors and the whole democratic machine in PA. Let's know the facts as least. Pa really wasn't in play to begin with. This race is over. The press just doesn't want to admit it. It's too good for business. In a few days enough superdelegates will go to Obama to negate PA. Now let's finish this process and move on. HRC will go down in history as damaging her parties chances for a clean sweep in the General for her own good. Good job NY Times, tell it like it is.

Erik - Dallas, TX   April 23rd, 2008 6:20 am ET

At this point I can't tell if Sen. Clinton is a Dem. or Rep. She is desperate and is willing to destroy Sen. Obama, the party and whoever else just to win. Is this who you want as president? Let's see what happens when her past is exposed.

Fred Johns   April 23rd, 2008 6:19 am ET

Just think of all the women Bill will have when he goes back to the White House. Remember he is just entertaining, it is not sex.

Sal T.   April 23rd, 2008 6:17 am ET

Hillary Clinton is consistent: She and her husband will do anything –anything– to get elected. They will point to the "sins" of Obama when she has committed them all: She has complained that the press is too hard on her, she has made up stories about her "dangerous missions", she has pushed NAFTA while accusing Obama of secretly supporting it. She has cast doubt about Obama's religion by saying "I have no reason to doubt he is not a Muslim –as far as I know."
She has damaged and bruised the likely candidate for the Democratic party, doing the work for the Republicans.
She has played dirty politics "a la Karl Rove" while accusing Obama of the same.
She is dirty, dirty, dirty.
There is no way I am voting for her.

Ernest   April 23rd, 2008 6:17 am ET

Better late than never. For so long the media seemed to wink at her "kitchen sink", "scorched earth", extremely negative, unfounded, profoundly disingenuous tactics and comments, such as "there's nothing to base that (Obama being called a Muslim) on, as far as I know". Everyone acted as if "all's fair in love-n-war", so may the best dirty trickster win.

Even if you accept that the ends justify the means, both the ends and the means are mean and nasty with her. And the focus seems to be on the entertainment value in the media. "Look! The haggard, shrill lady is making a comeback against insurmountable odds! Never mind the Nixonesque methods, get some comments on lapel pins and third-party quotes taken out of context!"

A wrong turn and a sad new low on the path toward democracy.

joe   April 23rd, 2008 6:16 am ET

As negative as clinton may be, it pales next to the poor performance of the media in this long primary battle. the coverage is increasingly informing us more about the media - and its faults - and less about the candidates and the issues every day.

Cory   April 23rd, 2008 6:16 am ET

Actually, she has so soured me that I'm going to actively campaign against her. And if she doesn't win the Democratic endorsement I'm going to actively campaign to see she is no longer the Senator form New York. I think we need to tear off her mask so we can see it's Liebermann under there. And this is from someone who voted for her husband, twice. She and McCain would be taking us down a very dark road, indeed.

Anonymous   April 23rd, 2008 6:12 am ET

The truth is that Clintons are not striaght forward. Did anyone sees how she was pretending to sound reconciliatory after all the negatives in are campagn. Forget the antics the educated people know whom to vote for: OBAMA. Period.

DonnieJ   April 23rd, 2008 6:10 am ET

What an exercise in futility . . .

Mike   April 23rd, 2008 6:08 am ET

I am trying to read all these positive comments about Hillary, but unfortunately, there's a gunfight going on outside that's got me distracted.

carla   April 23rd, 2008 6:05 am ET

I thought a few weeks ago, she was polling 15-20 points ahead of Obama and she won by 9. I wouldn't say that was great since PA was considered her stronghold. Plus I think her negative campaigning probably did have an affect since she was using nasty but effective techniques that Karl Rove would use.

She might have won the state, but as a Dem who liked both candidates, I have to say she's turned me off her.

Antoine   April 23rd, 2008 5:10 am ET

Let's see. She gained 6 delegates, some victory. Hillary is trying to make it where if she doesn't win, then she would rather see Obama lose. Thats a terrible. Thats why I just sent Obama some more money. The Clinton's are divisive. Obama had to spend money in order to just be in the race. He's been up against the Clinton mystique the whole race.

George   April 23rd, 2008 5:08 am ET

Good for the NY Times. The Clintons have been playing the nastiest of divide and conquer politics ever since New Hampshire. They have been skillfully pandering to racial/ethnic bigotry. Bill Clinton in his arrogance started believing in his "blackness" until one too many benign racial insult alienated the black community. The next target became the Hispanic voters, and now her most reliable "ace in the hole", the White Blue-collar Workers. The Clintons fully understand that these White Blue-collar Workers are less culturally and socially evolved and than their white-collar counterparts and are therefore more likely to be influenced by racial stereotypes. White Blue-Collar workers are more likely to vote for a White Republican John McCain than a Black Democrat. The Clintons are calculating that Black voters will remain loyal to the Democratic Party if she becomes the nominee. Wrong – Black voters, with their hopes of seeing a Black man elected President dashed, will stay home on election day. Hillary Clinton cannot win in November without carrying the Black vote.

Tom   April 23rd, 2008 5:07 am ET

As a true Reagan Democrat that watched the Democratic party minimize Gen Wesley Clark at a time that Iraq was clearly front and center (while the party chatter for weeks focused on gay unions, sorry but not as important an issue as the Iraq war in my opinion)...it is clear that this is a party hell bent on self destruction. If there is a way to lose this thing, the Democratic Party's will figure out how. All of you people who are choosing to back a candidate that is trying to change the rules mid stream to fit her agenda are as clueless today as you were in 2004. You are going to get exactly what you deserve.... A fragmented party that implodes on itself.

Stupid is as stupid does!

Bitter in Texas   April 23rd, 2008 5:02 am ET

Well, well, well......the New York Sen. won PA by only 10%. I've just about had my belly full of her negative campaining. If she steals the nomanation, I'll be looking for someone else to vote for in November. End of story......End of the Clintons!

aware   April 23rd, 2008 5:01 am ET

Hillary 2008 and 2012! :)

Rod   April 23rd, 2008 5:00 am ET

Yes Obama has turned negative, or else he would have been steamrolled by a kitchen sink.
The math is the math, she can't win! This was her last stand.
I used to support whoever got the nomination, but since Texas and Ohio all the way to today. I can't support her any more, what a sad day for Democrates.

Roland   April 23rd, 2008 4:54 am ET

The exit interviews and these comments confirm that the supporters of HRC are bitter racists who would rather destroy the Democratic party by electing a Republican in November if they can't have HRC. It is shameful that the Democratic party is being held hostage by these political terrorists.

Look at the results of the polls! If HRC wins, most Obama supporters will still support her, as the Democratic candidate. Most HRC supporters are so filled with hate that they refuse to support Obama as the DEMOCRATIC candidate. Shame on all of you.

Sadly, it looks like we are going to have McCain as president and it is Hillary Clinton and her supporters we will have to blame for it. Pathetic.

leonel   April 23rd, 2008 4:54 am ET

So much talk about big states. Is the rest of the U.S exlcuded? Yes Hillary won Penn. congrats! However I am displeased by how she seems to discount the votes of other states as if they are not important. Every vote matters in the United States and over all big state or small the votes for Obama out number the votes for Hillary.

Lets put money spent, negative ads, and accusations aside. The people's votes clearly say who should be the Democratic nominee.

Beartrack   April 23rd, 2008 4:52 am ET

It appears that the Dems, with the help of Billary, will manage to "Snatch defeat from the jaws of victory". The Clintons are doing almost as much damage to this country as Bush has.

maria   April 23rd, 2008 4:48 am ET

One question: Does Hillary want the white house for YOU? or for herself?

Annette   April 23rd, 2008 4:44 am ET

I am so disappointed that Hillary won in my hometown state. She does an injustice to the honest Americans who believe in her false promises...look back at the White House years. She was only a first lady, not the president of the U.S. Jobs were outsourced during the Clinton's administration. Look who they pardon through the White House years...look at their backgrounds and history before they got into office and what they did in office and after they left.

get over it   April 23rd, 2008 4:44 am ET

Hillary won, and I expect her to continue to win. Obama has lost votes and I expect him to continue to loss votes. he's a rich, racist and it's becomeing more apparent. he's totally blew it with his elitist comments , refusing to ware a symbol of the country he proclaims to love, and standing by his black theology chruch.

Delaware   April 23rd, 2008 4:43 am ET

One person wrote that Republican will kill Obama if elected and I think it was so wrong to even think like that. I do not believe that United State is still having people with these negative mentalities. People this is United State here, we are not Pakistan or Zimbabwe.We should not be thinking this way in the 21st century. We cannot be the world leaders if we keep thinking like a third world country. We are one United States and 9/11 was every American cause ,not a particular race cause. We were all affected by it and we should all find agaisnt it to change the world. How can we fight them extremist if we are ennemies among ourselve. After this divisive race all democrat need to support whoever get the nomination to get the white house back in November.

Jay, Evansville, IN.   April 23rd, 2008 4:43 am ET

Barak Obama will not win Indiana because he has spent all his time pandering in the Northern half of the state. He was in Evansville tonight and no one really cared. Most of the people that went to see him came from other colleges just across state lines to see him. We don't want him here. All of a sudden he has decided he needs to win Indiana because he lost so bad in Pennsylvania. A week ago he was content with just having a close vote here. He ignored the Southern half of our state now we are ignoring him. Here is some News no one wins indiana without the 8th district. Congratulations Hillary because you will win Indiana.

Oleg, CA   April 23rd, 2008 4:39 am ET

Bin Laden ad... Much scarier ad would be one showing Hillary.
She had voted for Iraq war, and look – no shame, no guilt, no jail time – she's campaigning! And saying essencially that Obama must win ALL contests. If she wins a few (say, 14 of 44), that's her victory.
Anybody thinks Bush or Clinton would want better education in our country? Why would they? Isn't it clear that less educated people vote easier for these crooks, no? Stupidity is a great comfort for two royal families.

Obama 2008

Todd, NYC   April 23rd, 2008 4:34 am ET

THIS article is a "Mean... vacuous... desperate" attempt by the media moguls (closet Republicans... Murdoch, Turner, Winfrey, etc.) to downplay Senator Clinton's win (this happens EVERY time she wins). She won by 10%. That is NOT close in THIS pimary. That is devastating to Obama's campaign – PSYCHOLOGICALLY. Does no one wonder WHERE the $42 million Obama has left to spend came from? It's reported – he's required to report it. Some of that money came from the spouses of CEO's and board members of OIL, NUCLEAR WASTE MANAGEMENT, and HEALTH INSURANCE companies... but he doesn't take money from special interest groups. Right. He's a racist, he's divided the party irrevocably by ensuring that either the African-American electorate will ONLY vote for him, OR abandon the party altogether.

He is a JOKE. Bill Clinton was right, "This is fairy tale." More like a nightmare.

Bernard Bingwera.   April 23rd, 2008 4:32 am ET

Nothing to shout about. A win is a win and Clinton has won, congratulate her. The other side of clinton is however distroying the party. She has turned the game so nasty and if this goes on, there will be a reason for people to shun democrats and vote for John Mcain. Some one needs to teach Hilary to consider unity in diversity and not diversity in unity.

Rob   April 23rd, 2008 4:32 am ET

I'm a Democrat. I've never voted Republican. But, if Clinton is our nominee, I'll vote for McCain. I really can't stand her. She's incredibly negative and insincere. It frightens me that she might be our party's nominee. Truly sad.

AHS--NYC   April 23rd, 2008 4:31 am ET

I'm pretty amazed at many of the nasty comments to this story and I find the data in tonight's exit polls indicating the large percentages of both candidates supporters who wouldn't vote for the other very troubling. I voted for Obama back on the first Super Tuesday and he's not looking too great now either. But I find Hillary's actions over the past 2 months absolutely despicable.

There is absolutely no way she can beat Obama in pledged delegates. Remember how the popular vote is meaningless in our "democratic" society? If the super delegates overturn the will of the majority of the country (which will be Obama), it would be mutiny for the Democratic Party.

Hillary flat out lied about her experience in Bosnia and tried to dismiss it as a mistake because she was tired, which is of course why she repeated it at least 3 times. The Clintons constantly seem to be under investigation for one thing or another. And Bill has been out of control since South Carolina.

Mostly, I'm deeply troubled by her comments today about Iran. I've spent nearly 6 years of my life living outside the U.S., most recently spending 5 months in Southeast Asia in 2006 and our image throughout the world is greatly tarnished thanks to George W. Bush. A big thing the next president will need to do is repair that damage. Hillary clearly demonstrated today that she is incapable of doing so. Despite the fact that Obama has been chastised for saying he'd seek diplomacy with Iran, that is the right thing to do.

I'm a firm believer that Bush's so called "War on Terror" has actually made us less safe. Just about everything we've done since 9/11 has further alienated and threatened the Muslim world instead of reaching out to them. Obama spent part of his youth living in Indonesia and has more of an understanding of Islam than most people in this country and probably most people in Congress as well. (And no, he is NOT a Muslim, and I don't quite see why it would matter anyways).

Also, speaking from experience, living oversees gives you a unique take on the world. Sure Hillary visited all those countries as First Lady but on those visits she did not see the real country but was instead taken on a tour to see sights arranged for her. That is not seeing what a country is truly like. It's not the same as being immersed in a culture or dealing with local people who haven't been staged for your viewing.

Hillary might have more political experience, but Obama has far more life experience. I think they're both great candidates, but Hillary showed today that she is the same war monger that McCain is by making threats to a country that has not threatened us (hmmm....sounds like Iraq). Given this, and her behavior over the past few months (and yes, she started the negativity...Obama didn't start fighting back till after Ohio) I'd be scared to vote for her for President, and I certainly do not plan on re-electing her to the Senate either.

Rentamob   April 23rd, 2008 4:31 am ET

Billary , get 's Mobile Home Vote out in Pa.

RTH   April 23rd, 2008 4:30 am ET

So many of the comments here are depressing... we really are tearing this party apart over the nomination. McCain deserves to lose for changing everything he believes in – starting back in 2000 – to try and win this nomination. We should have had this one in the bag. How could you not defeat the Republicans after seven years of Bush? Yet... here we are, spiteful and throwing hateful comments at voters in our own party.

Omar Khasru   April 23rd, 2008 4:30 am ET

The NY Times endorsement of Hillary Clinton was quite predictable. Now the paper is trying to atone for it, feigning surprise that she is using the stated kitchen sink strategy combined with the scorched earth policy and slash and burn politics, all of which are included in the Bill and Hillary Clinton lesson in Dirty Politics 101.

What is puzzling is the CNN penchant for blatant favoritism. Hillary was featured in Larry King Live the night before the Penn primaries, a veritable treasure trove of free publicity, especially with Larry King's typical lollypop questions. This combined with recent positive news items in favor of Mrs. Clinton is height of biased reporting!

SYJ   April 23rd, 2008 4:27 am ET

If some has a gap of 24 precent to get over, wouldn't they have to out spend?

Obama for President   April 23rd, 2008 4:26 am ET

It's obvious that Hillary's supporters can't do the math.

naresh kotak   April 23rd, 2008 4:25 am ET

obama is the only person who can change the worlds perception of usa in the world. peoples attitude topwards usa is war loving nation
who wants to dominate the world.
obama will make the difference by talking to different world leaders and bring end to wars and bring peace to iraq and afghanistan.
instead of fighting wars there should be peace in the world and how to bring poverty down in our world.

JOHN   April 23rd, 2008 4:24 am ET

Indiana should do the US and the world a favour and vote Obama!
Hillary is a double standards candidate bent on tearing the party apart just because she won't get the nomination.
Obama 08!

Typical latina Patriot n proud voting for OBAMA   April 23rd, 2008 4:23 am ET

I pledge allegence to the flag of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA FOR WHICH IT STANDS..

IT STANDS FOR TRUTH > That is not Hillary. Lies about Bosnia, the 5.2 mill she owes Penn she could not fire from her campaign..On and on.

The only reason she won in Ohio is because she manipulated the voters ij Ohio by trashing Obama not her skills. She is for Nafta and helped to create it. Ohio will not vote for her again. Texas is a mix of primary and caucus. Please do the math Obama won by primary and caucus.

Patriots for Obama 08

Daniel   April 23rd, 2008 4:23 am ET

Although l am an outsider from UK, but l have interest in the drama the democrat are displaying on the stage. The ticket price for the drama is free for those have access to media.

I do not think that democrats have elders, who can be bold, couragious and brave to stop the public show of the party nakedness.
It's a pity that GOP is ready again to seat on power except the elders do something to stop exposing weak point of each fighter before the convention.

joe   April 23rd, 2008 4:23 am ET

every time she put a negetive ad. let us send at least $10.00 for Obama camp this way She will start thinking for our party not self satisfaction (by distroying Obama now she can be ready for 2012)

Jay Epee   April 23rd, 2008 4:21 am ET

D. Stevenson (11:53 pm ET)

Too bad it isn't double digits...

At 99% reporting she has a 9.39 percent lead. She will not get the double digits.

Give it up already.

john   April 23rd, 2008 4:18 am ET

Billary is in debt to the tune of $10million.
Obama has 42 Million on hand.
If Billary gets the nod, then John gets my vote.

I'm tired of Hillary talking down to the American people.
She is an old joke.

Vic   April 23rd, 2008 4:18 am ET

It's baffling that the woman who was a board member for Walmart and lead champion of NAFTA convinced blue collar workers she was their friend...Talk about a wolf in sheeps clothing.

Fred in Indy   April 23rd, 2008 4:16 am ET

Treaties aren't negotiated on "hope and change" You know what Jay u are so right only our Country was founded on it. So what's wrong with that... I hope everyday that the war in Iraq comes to an end and for a change in our "Gov" from the status quo. Every one attacks him for having no experience but forgot that Bill Clinton himself was just a darn Gov with no experience himself.... but sometimes to shake things up in Washington u need someone from the out outside. Not someone who has been in bed with a ton of lobbyist who cares nothing about whats is right but only about there own views....I was not going to use my superdelegate vote at first and wanted to stay neutral but ...... you know what My mom is going to have alot to say but "HILL" has really piss'ed me off You know greed is a deadly sin and her hidden ambitions scare me and I will now cast my vote for Obama and plan on donatin my full 2300 to his campaing hopefully my freinds will do the same and get him another 40 mil to defeat Old man McCain in Nov

"08" Indiana 4 OBAMA "08"

American Veteran   April 23rd, 2008 4:16 am ET

Tonight was a sad night for America, Senator Clinton waved the flag of fear. She force feed this down the throat the the voters of the people of PA.

This will not fare well at the Texas convention in June.

Hillary your negative Ads has seal yor fate in Texas.

You may have won vote count but the delegate count as well as the Texas Delegate victory went to OBAMA 08

Emily   April 23rd, 2008 4:15 am ET

As a "democrat abroad" living in Europe, I can accept ,and will vote for, either candidate. Due to the drawn out, increasingly expensive and vindictive primary campaign; the USA and the rest of the world may end up having to live with John McCain for 4-8 years (please God, not another Republican). Remember, my dear fellow Americans, and candidates, how you vote and behave has a big impact on the ROW.

Markos   April 23rd, 2008 4:14 am ET

On my payday Obama will get the second ever donation I have ever sent to a politician. The first one went to him also and I am Republican. I will not presume to say who God's choice is. I do believe, however, that who we get will be who we deserve. Think about that.

Joe L .A   April 23rd, 2008 4:11 am ET

It is so sad that "all " the American people can't see that they have a chance to save America with Obama.
Ignorant cowards and uneducated people vote for people like Bush and Clinton. You let her get away with lies.

Kyle   April 23rd, 2008 4:10 am ET

To Hillary supporters like T Paine: Hillary said that the Michigan vote would not count...until she realized she needed them. Really, it's not taking away their democratic right; there's nothing in the constitution about primaries. The state violated the DNC rules and they need to live with the consequences

cj66   April 23rd, 2008 4:09 am ET

So Obama giving Hillary the finger after the ABC debate was not being negative ?

Just go to YouTube to see for yourself !

I can't believe how biased the MSM is against Hillary and how blind all the Obamamaniacs are !

Gavin   April 23rd, 2008 4:07 am ET

The Times may be right about this but I say it is about time! What kind of campaign do you think the Republicans are going to run against the candidate that wins the nomination? If you can’t stand the heat, get out of the kitchen! It is about time the Democrats stop taking the high road and play as dirty as the Republican. Keep up the good work Hillary!

Cat   April 23rd, 2008 4:07 am ET

Clinton is so disgusting and desperate that she absolutely stops at nothing to get what she wants. It makes me sick to watch this ugly evil skank spew her garbage all over people. She has zero regard for an average citizen and has no interest in serving the country or the public. She only wants power. Why? One can only imagine..... Typical crooked corrupt politician...

If the American people actually elect this witch to be the next president of the United States, then they deserve all the misery that will accomany her presidency.

Marjon   April 23rd, 2008 4:06 am ET

Now it is clear to me why PA is a state with so many people out of jobs! Look at who they choose? Annie Oakley! That is pretty stupid!

Her so called win means nothing because she will still loose! She will not be the nominee. Clinton only helps McCain at this moment.

Obama '08 & '12

tim in seattle   April 23rd, 2008 4:05 am ET

A noble defeat is better than an ignoble victory. Therefore, morally speaking, Obama won in Pennsylvania. Congratulations.

Hillary should do the right thing for her party and her nation and now withdraw. Therefore she won't.

Some will mistake her arrogance for courage. Most can see the difference. May God forgive her.

BCarlisle, San Ramon CA   April 23rd, 2008 4:05 am ET

Congrats Hillary, your win was much deserved and all your hard work worked! Obama just tried to throw some money at PA and hoped he would win or at least come close. Thank you PA for actually voting for the person best qualified to lead our country.

Ok Indiana and NC your turn now, Mya Angelou you can bring the african americans back for Hillary where they belong.

Hillary 2008
(CNN Pls post this, and by the way the NYT article was also criticle of Obama why Clinton in the headline????Biased I suppose. I suppose Jamal or Roland Martin have a hand in this!!!)

Ken   April 23rd, 2008 4:05 am ET

After reading a lot of these entries, I can see that there are a lot of Obama cry babies! Get a Life! All of the money he spent and the time giving it his all, Could not pull it off! Does that tell you something?

Obama out spend Hillary by 3 to 1 and has been fighting for some 6 weeks, and still could not pull it off. It shows the American people that Hillary Clinton is the right one to beat McCain in November and go on to become our next President.

It is time for Obama to get out of the kitchen. He is just making a mess for Hillary to clean-up after him! And you Obama cry babies, you all need to stop following the "Pied Piper" blindly and get behind Hillary and push her over the finish line.

Who can America trust?   April 23rd, 2008 4:04 am ET

JOB LOSS
HOMELESS
HIGH GAS PRICES
WAR

WHO CAN AMERICA TRUST?

WHEN ALL OF HILLARY CLINTON CAMPAIGN TALES ARE OVER WHO CAN AMERICA TURST?

OBAMA

NEPA   April 23rd, 2008 4:04 am ET

Clintons evoking of 911 fears have been to me chillingly reminiscent of the 2004 Republican presidential campaign. I found that troubling and disturbing in 2004, and I find it even more so now. The difference is, as a life long Democrat and former Clinton supporter I now also find it disappointing – hugely so. I had come to expect that behavior as "the low norm" amongst Republican candidates, but when it became employed by someone I looked up to, admired, and supported, it was devastating and one decisive factor in my vote.
Please don't tell me to "stuff it" or "get over it" -this isn't a high school football game and we aren't Republicans. Instead, give it some consideration. It may have a bearing in Novembers election if she is our nominee. At least it may to this over 50, white, Northeast PA, female, Catholic Democrat.

Jay   April 23rd, 2008 4:03 am ET

Sigh. I just hope you zealots are able to put aside your distaste for the other candidate and stay within your party come the general election. I get the feeling that spite will play a large part in the election and I find all of you pitiful for the infighting and win at all costs mentality you are displaying.

Honest Phil   April 23rd, 2008 3:59 am ET

Waving Bin Laden is Karl Rovish. Has Hillary hired him under the table to run her campaign? She's looking more like Bush every day. Please, Hillary, go back to Scranton and retire !

Peter H, San Diego   April 23rd, 2008 3:58 am ET

Sen. Clinton claims that her years of experience make her the candidate that will be ready to take charge on day one. If you look at her performance, however, you have to ask what that experience really adds up to. She set out to make universal healthcare a reality at the start of her husband's presidency, but after eight years in the White House as First lady and seven years as a Senator, she's gotten us no closer to that goal than we were when Bill took his first oath of office. The childrens' health initiatives that she boasts about, while no doubt great for the kids that they help, do not even come close to the kind of comprehensive reform that we so desperately need. Maybe if she can't get it done in fifteen years, it's time to step aside and give somone else a shot.

one guy trying to talk   April 23rd, 2008 3:57 am ET

Correction the people want Obama, the people of PA want Clinton that's why Obama is ahead in popular vote, pledge delegates and total delegates. Clinton needed to win each remaining state 63% to 37% to even it up. So a 55% win only means she needs to win by more to catch up in the remaining states. So unless your saying PA is the only state in the US you are mistaken.

PAC   April 23rd, 2008 3:56 am ET

America! a sinking nation. People who vote 4 Hillary should go for brain check up. Americans neva learn- the majority of them. I neva thought that there was a large number of uneducated people in America. I mean those who have voted for Hillary. Hillary is very manipulative. Americans should follow events to know her better not just vote. Anyway if you need another shameless war then I can say go Hillary.

Bye Bye Obama Hooray for Hillary   April 23rd, 2008 3:55 am ET

The longer the electoral campaign lasts the better the american will get to know the real Obama and realise his hope and change movement is a phony. The longer this campaign lasts the more we'll hear his racist comments, get to know his acquaintainces, his poshy habbits, and so on...
And one last thing shame on you Michael Moore for getting involved in Pennsylvania's primary, the american people are smart enough to determine phonies... Way to go Hillary !!! All the way to Pennsylvania Avenue !!!

Paul L.   April 23rd, 2008 3:55 am ET

Obama deserved to loose Pennsylvania.... given his lack of sensitivity the week before election towards the "little" people.

one guy trying to talk   April 23rd, 2008 3:53 am ET

People just want to focus on the money aspect to make up for the fact that Clinton lost 15% points of the 25% lead she had a month and half ago. Well Clinton has 8 years of first lady experience, 102 of the most powerful elected officials in the state and name familiarity that money can't buy. The money was not to beat Clinton it was to introduce Obama to PA voters for the general election. And how much money would you pay for the negative media coverage on the "bitter" comments and to have an hour of the debate in your state to be about your opponents weaknesses. If Bittergate never happened the spread would have been less then 5% and Clinton would be in trouble. Not to discredit Clinton's win it's good but just not enough, so accept the win but the spin is getting old.

Liliy   April 23rd, 2008 3:53 am ET

A few weeks ago Hillary was beating Obama by 20 percent in Pennsylvania polls. Now her lead has been cut to 10 percent
Has the sum 100 years experience between Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, and Wolfowitz helped this country at all? They are all the same including Hilary and McCaine

America has a chance left – Obama

CLIFTON   April 23rd, 2008 3:53 am ET

I'm canadian who follows the CNN news; By all means I'm not an expert in your politics in the US,but how come the Hillary support
don't understand math.....she can't win,or are they "BITTER".
If the superdelgates change the outcome what kind of message will they be sending to the world?....Not to bring up the race card but that is exactly how it would seem and blacks would think if he doesn't win.

I really like to hear my comment express on the news for someone to clarify this for all Clinton suporters,pls.

Kathy   April 23rd, 2008 3:52 am ET

Clinton used that commercial to remind everyone who will be the best commander in chief. The times has it wrong with the spin, spin, spin. Did Obama write it?
She won, because people know she will help our economy, health crisis and world affairs.
Everyone knows negative advertising works. Obama did it first, but still it is what you do. What do you think the republicans are going to do? Play nice?

Pat   April 23rd, 2008 3:52 am ET

Downright scary that Hillary might become president. Her voting record has been more Republican than Democratic. I'm not shocked at the numbers who believe her lies. She's not even good at them. Her bobblehead body language gives her away. She's another puppet of the Bilderberg crew and will do their NWO bidding. Her sheeple supporters will follow her right to the guillotine.

TF   April 23rd, 2008 3:50 am ET

I grew up in a south Philly row home, an Irish Italian section. My father used to bang on the walls of the row home we lived in yelling to the nabors who were African Americans the "N" word to shut up because they played there music loud. They were the only black people on the block. Over time I learned that that type of attitude was not right, thank god for my mother. This country will come around once all the old racist die off. My father died when I was 13, he drank himself to death at the local corner bar. The last time I saw him in the he was yellow because his liver could not clean his blood any more. I can only hope this is the fate of the rest of the white yellow coward racist that remain in this country and PA. Vote Democrate if you poor bastards want to live an extra few years.

McCain will not save you.

Ray Melnik   April 23rd, 2008 3:49 am ET

Clinton is my Senator and for the last 2 elections I pulled all my local levers and refused to pull hers. What she has done lately concretes even more my opinion of her and now her husband as well. She will do anything to win including hand the election to McCain in the fall by creating his commercials against Obama for him. Never before have I seen such vile and negative attacks from a Democrat against a Democrat. I am going next to donate to Obama’s campaign for the 8th time. If the tables were turned, Obama would have dropped out for the good of the party. If the party hands the nomination to Clinton after all our donations and efforts it will destroy the Democratic Party without a doubt. She has no chance of winning fairly and from the will of the people, so conniving, deceiving and promoting the politics of fear as the Republicans have made into an art form is the only way she will win. If that happens, Election Day I will be staying home, as will all of the new mobilized voters.

Jill   April 23rd, 2008 3:49 am ET

As a military member I am EXTREMELY offended that Hillary continuously "misrepresented" the truth (a.k.a. LIED) about being under sniper fire in Bosnia. She expects to be our Commander in Chief, but is willing to say that we didn't do our jobs and put her in harms way when we in fact did not–all this to make herself appear to have lived through "a war" experience. WHAT AN INSULT to the men and women serving who were willing to lay down their lives to protect her if needed.
She can make cute little appearances on Late Night Talk Shows...aw, how cute is that? Hillary has a sense of humor. Great for her! That doesn't prove she's leadership material. One HUGE component of a good leader is integrity, which I now question. She lost whatever respect I had for her.

Ito, Yokosuka Japan   April 23rd, 2008 3:42 am ET

Why does Hillary Clinton remind me of Howard Dean in that photo? Is she the second coming? Haha...she is a loser AND a poser. I pitty the suckers that donated to her cause and their money will end up paying for the interrest she made on a loan to herself.

Educated4Obama   April 23rd, 2008 3:41 am ET

If Hillary can count her time in the white house as experience. Can Chelsey claim those same years in her run? Anyone who trusts a shady power hungry and characterless Hillary needs to really take a look inside themselves. Do you really trust this woman? She has no integrity. Do you really want her representing us to the world in these times?

Obama has integrity and morale character and is a man of the people, not the lobbyists.

Dean   April 23rd, 2008 3:40 am ET

Thank you, NYT, for having some backbone. You endorsed her so that eliminates the potential "obama skewed" argument. Everyday she is becoming more and more like a monster. It's time to Mike Huckabee her and focus on who really matters: John McCain

elie   April 23rd, 2008 3:40 am ET

REPUBLICANS WILL WIN THE VOTE IN NOVEMBER. screaming people dont bite, whether its a she or he, or a black and white democrat tv show!

rick   April 23rd, 2008 3:39 am ET

Give me a break. A win is a win and stop being bitter. If you had something to say..you should have said it before you felt defeated. Obama is full of air and people are being to realize that he really doesn't have any solutions. Listen to his speech tonight – a lot of complaining about the past and what we have done in the past – but Obama never offers solutions because he has none. At least Clinton gives you a clear picture on what she plans to do and change on day one....I'm still waiting for Obama. He acts more like a rockstar than a politician and that is his own fault.

Sammy   April 23rd, 2008 3:38 am ET

Did anyone get the comments Hillary made about Iran and Israel in interview last week and MSNBC today? When asked she said that if Iran nuked Israel, we would nuke Iran. That was policy in this country for decades against the Soviet Union so the idea is nothing new. However I am not sure it has ever been applied to any other enemy, at least publicly.

I want to know what her Democratic colleagues in the House and Senate and the superdelegates think about that hawkish position considering their attitudes towards Bush and his own Iran aspirations. Or put another way, if Bush had come out and made the same exact statement I am sure Hillary would be all over him before you could say "war monger". I will be curious to see if the Time adds that to their article.

Apollyon   April 23rd, 2008 3:37 am ET

AS of the last commercial from Hillary, I am on that band wagon. I caucused for Hillary here in Iowa. I changed after all the racist garbage from Bill, and since then I have done nothing but defend the idea that we all have to come together no matter who wins?
That is dead in the dust now. The question is… are we going to have a two non-alternative candidates for the Presidential election? Hillary is now running to the right of McBush on foreign policy? This white-middle age-construction worker has had it with the Clinton's. I will work tirelessly to get her defeated in the general if she gets the nomination. AND I will move to New York if she ends up running for the Senate again, just to remind everyone what a racist, (Bill), Lying, (Hill & Bill), Backstabbing, (remember what she did to Kerry?), fear/war mongering, (Hillary last week & her new ad), Self-serving, (again Hill & Bill), traitors to their Party that THEY really are. I wouldn't p**s on them if they were on fire at this point. Maybe Hillary can buddy up with Lieberman…

Who can America trust?   April 23rd, 2008 3:37 am ET

JOB LOSS
HOMELESS
HIGH GAS PRICES
WAR

WHO CAN AMERICANS AND OUR MILITARY TRUST?

A President candidate who remember landing under sniper fire in Bosnia in March of 1996. In her retelling, she was sent to places that her husband, President Clinton, Could not go because they were "too dangerous." ( Mrs. Clinton cannot blame the news media or video reports)

Will history show how Mrs. Hillary Clinton defended her role in Northern Ireland peace process?

What happen to the jobs Mrs Clinton promise to Upstate New York?

WHEN ALL OF THIS IS OVER WHO CAN AMERICA TURST?

Barack   April 23rd, 2008 3:37 am ET

ok let me put in this way.

Basketball game, 4th quarter, 2 mins left, Team C is down by 20 points. Does team C have any right to fight to the end? sure, of course. But the problem is that after team C made 2 free throws ( give the credit to them), they start to claim that now they have the momentum, team O can not close the deal , all the other 18 points they were down is not the critical points. that two free throws they made is bigger than any other point. So they pretend that they are the winner! or we just go to the OT as we just made 2 huge FTs.

Logical?

Sun Chakravuth   April 23rd, 2008 3:37 am ET

I believe if Obama win and go on to win the presidential. Then Mr. Obama would represent the world not just American. But both Mr. Obama and Mr. McCain is a very good. The United States would be bless to either one of them to be the President. Mr. McCain also could represent the world for American with his real experience in real hard life. The quality of the leadership is the one who been through alot in life. Which mean the life that fear factor making fun for millions of poor peoples actually doing it to survive.

Thomas J.   April 23rd, 2008 3:36 am ET

Unbelievable that the Clintons resorted to Rovian fear-mongering tactics. From starting off a neutral independent, I was dismayed by the Clintons negative campaign tactics after Super Tuesday, and that approach has continued unabated. But to drop to this level of hypocrisy and underhandedness is just plain shameful.

I would not be able to vote for Hillary in any future election, should she somehow get the Democratic nomination this year or in the future.

But the worst problem for her maybe the forthcoming patent infringement lawsuit from Bush and Rove over those ads. I wonder if anyone has placed them side by side for comparison ... ?

— Thomas J., Corte Madera, California

VA   April 23rd, 2008 3:36 am ET

It is amazing to me that the media is more interested in a fight than seeing what is in front of their eyes.

Hill and Bill could give a rat's butt about the Democrat Party. They will destroy their "beloved Party" to make an argument for the White House.

Polls show that 52% of her people said they will not vote or vote for McCain rather than Obama. Who do you think is responsible for that?
One answer Hill and her divisive style of politicals.

Super delegates can't give her the nomination. If they did this party is done and it will have far reaching and long lasting implications for the Democratic Party. Do you think all these new Dems will just follow the piper for politics as usual after being inspired by the idea of change. The only thing about Hill in the White House that reflects change is her gender, Nothing else.

But back to the point...Hill and Bill have deepened the dive in the party based on the idea that super delegates will ignore all the people that have voted and hand the nomination over to Hill and Bill.

She's run an incompetent and disorganized campaign, planned to sail to a nomination by Feb 5, sided with the Rep nominee against another Dem, whined about the press picking on her because she's a woman, insinuated that Obama was Muslim on 60 minutes, oh and using the 9/11 fear ploy a 100% Republican strategy, defended Bill as her husband spewed racial garbage comparing Obama to Jesse in South Carolina, and told people behind closed doors that he's not electable. She expects superdelegates to give her the nomination. The idea that that is her strategy rather than earning it. Tearing down her opponent then turning around in the same sentence and saying "see he's not electable" is ridiculous.

I say to you if she is the nominee I will walk away from the Democrat party and not just for this election but for any in the forebeeable future. I will be an independent or a Republican before I would trust the Democratic Party again.

I don't believe I will be alone. Hill has to know this but not care. All that matters to her is that she get what she's wanted since she tied her wagon to Bill...the oval office. And all Bill wants is to continue is legacy and get back in the White House. Let's see Bill in the White House with no official role...oh yeah that's an attractive thought.

Gee it will be like Bush/Chaney never left.

If I had a daughter the tactics she's employed...win at any cost is not something I would want her to learn.

A.J.   April 23rd, 2008 3:35 am ET

Congrats Hillary ! In spite of voting democratic presidential candidates for last 4 times, I am tilting towards McCain. Hillary with background of just as a first lady and a senator of NY does not convince me enough to lead the most powerful nation in the world. Many things are still unknown during Clinton whitehouse years. Mr Obama on the other hand, with being lawyer and smooth talker can not take on as dem nominee. Something about this guy doesn't feel right and he would be exposed to something just few days before Nov 4th and will ruin him for good.
McCain is my choice being less of three evils !!

where have all the honest people gone   April 23rd, 2008 3:33 am ET

i do not like hillary clinton. her behavior seems like the stereotypical politician. lies and half truths, misleading statements about her promises, using terrible tactics that i would've thought anyone in her party would avoid after seing them used in the other party. she even used intimidation and bribery to destroy a former campaign contributer's business and life all because he had a former crime record, who has tried to fight back in the courts. i wonder how the trial is going. i don't know if the other remaining candidates are any better. many of the ones who dropped out of the primaries seemed better, at least in their behavior and voting record.

Kristine   April 23rd, 2008 3:33 am ET

Sorry to those moving to Canada,
The times are correct, it is not flatering or fair for a woman to conduct herself in the way Ms.Clinton has, by slandering another, and I don't like Hillary's lies either but think about it . If you move to Canada you won't be getting a Social Security Check , Voting for McCain is not the answer . Doesn't he want to end big government , which entails Social Security checks. Listen up??? Don't get even by voting for a Republican, your only hurting yourself.

Vig   April 23rd, 2008 3:33 am ET

NY Times – another bunch of cry babies. All's fair in love and war and this is a fight to the finish. My advice to Hillary, now that she has definitely found her voice, is to not waste her breath on Obama, but rather talk about the issues and her agenda when she becomes President. The voters know all about her. It's Obama who seems to be still a little too on the surface, too glib, too puffed up, too full of himself.

Diana Hamilton   April 23rd, 2008 3:33 am ET

Keep hope alive Hillary. What a joke. She only hopes she snows you long enough to get herself elected. She and her hubby are an embarrasment to decent Americans.

Tony   April 23rd, 2008 3:32 am ET

Obama is the first Presidential candidate in history to have to vet his minister. Hillary runs around playing the sex card and injects the race card where Obama has not.

The Clintons just love to play "victims" and the "sympathy" cards. They have made careers out of making people feel okay as victims because they want to be seen that way too, even though they are the first $100 million "victims" in history.

People love to ignore the Commutations for votes of 16 convicted terrorists and 4 hacidic Jews (according to Time in 2001) to get Hillary her Senate seat. People love to ignore her sniper lies, her emails proclaiming Obama as a Muslim, her photos slipping to Drudge, and her making the campaign about anything BUT the issues.

Hillary's Rove-like tactics are exactly why this campaign isn't just about the Presidency, but the soul of the DNC. Have Democrats become simply left wing GW/Roves? Or do they really care about the people?

Jim, Indiana   April 23rd, 2008 3:31 am ET

Who cares what the press says! We the voters decide who will be the nominee!!

Go Hillary!!! On to victory in Indiana and in November!!!

Diana Hamilton   April 23rd, 2008 3:30 am ET

Why are all of you Hillary supporters blogging on our website? Are you seeking more ammunition for her to fire on us with?

Voter apathy   April 23rd, 2008 3:30 am ET

It is obvious from reading all of the above comments that this prolonged primary season has completely divided the Democratic voters. Over the last few months all the comments have gotten increasingly angry. The issues have taken a back seat to questionable campaign tactics and character attacks. People are writing comments for effect without really checking to see if they make any sense.

Three months ago I knew who I was going to vote for in November. Now I really just don't care anymore. All of the bickering...in the media, between the candidates and especially HERE...is making me tired. I am sure that I will still exercise my right to vote in November. It is just unfortunate that I will find myself choosing the candidate that I dislike the least instead of the one that I admire the most.

Be Fair....   April 23rd, 2008 3:29 am ET

I guess the NY Times forgot to finish the article. Where is the slam against Obama for his negative ads. He went nuclear on Hillary out spent her 3 to 1 on negative ads. If the NY Times is going to be critical of one candidate, then it should be critical of all the candidates. Obama, despite the opinion of the Kool-aid drinking followers, does not walk on water. Obama is nothing more than a spoiled brat who will do or say anything to get elected. He is a hypocrite for saying one thing and then having his campaign do another. NY Times... call him on his trash talk or don't call anyone on it.

Disappointed   April 23rd, 2008 3:29 am ET

And this is the party of unity ?? For the first time ever, I can't bring myself to vote for the democratic nominee in November, not after this ongoing display of an in-house Stooge-a-thon. It's a sad day that after 8 years of Bush, the best we can produce is a choice between these bickering clowns. What a freaking joke the democratic party has become.

Ted M   April 23rd, 2008 3:29 am ET

If Obama had won it would have obviously ended the Clinton campaign. But would that have been the best for the party? Absolutely not. The Obama vs Clinton story is crowding out all other coverage of the campaign. We need that, badly!
It makes absolutely no difference if Obama or Clinton wins. What we need is whatever Democrat that is nominated to utterly beat McCain to the point that the Republican party is so weakened, that it splits into a moderate Republican party and a Conservative Right-wing religious fanatic party, as the remaining Republicans finally realize the damage that mixing religion into politics has done and utterly repudiate the religious zealot control of the party. And the only way we are going to get a landslide for the Democrats is if McCain is ignored. Right now, the Obama/Clinton fight is accomplishing that. We need that spectacle to continue until the convention. And we need the convention to be a raccous affair with superdelegates fighting with each other. Because, once the Democratic nominee is chosen, in a twinkling all the Democrats will unite behind that person, because the alternative – McCain – is just too awful to contemplate.
Don't be mistaken – McCain is just as terrible a religious ultra-right-winger as George Bush. He was one of the biggest hawks pushing the US into the Iraq war. Once the real campaign begins between McCain and the Democratic nominee, you will see all of the Republican dirty tricks brought out and the voters reminded of them, and everyone will forget the Obama vs Hillary fight.

Andrew   April 23rd, 2008 3:29 am ET

Oh and Paine is an idiot because Obama is chairman of the senates subcommittee on European Affairs and Afghanistan is in Asia. Pick up a map or alternatively just research before spouting off stupid things Clinton has already said. The fact that that argument hit home for you, while not actually knowing anything about what Obama is on, is really kinda telling about the Clinton follower's mindset.

Judith A Boros   April 23rd, 2008 3:27 am ET

Well well, i see the clintons have managed to smunt their way into the hearts and minds of people once again. Please amercians try to remember what happened when the clintons were in the white house before. It was a total mess. What a total discrase they made of the oval office. Really do you want another 4 years of those two. It;s time to have someone in the white house who knows how to treat the office with respect. lying and having affairs just doesn,t get it. They used the office to promote getting 100 million dollars. We want our good name back and other countries over the world to like us and look up to amercia once again. Vote for Obama. He won,t disapoint people. You can take that to the bank.

Bill   April 23rd, 2008 3:27 am ET

I agree with NY Times and I hate this type of campaigning no matter who it is, Obama or Clinton, Democrat, Republican, Green or Independent. It's downright sickening to stoop to that level and basically play people for fools. The thing is, it works on a lot of people, these pathetic fear mongering tactics. But people like me who see it for what it is are disgusted by this and I can tell you, I don't care if this is just some kind of last-minute desperation blitz from the Clinton campaign - it's sickening and I will never offer her the slightest support because of this. If there's ever a Clinton-McCain face-off in November, I'll stay home. Not because I'm bitter but because Hillary has proved to be nothing more than a Rove-style fear mongering neocon democrat who will say and do ANYTHING to get her power-hungry butt back in the White House.

Tom Little   April 23rd, 2008 3:27 am ET

It's not double digits, do the math, 9.4%

blunt   April 23rd, 2008 3:26 am ET

I WONDER WHY THE CLINTON'S ARE HAVING SUCH A HARD TIME JUST EVEN GETTING INTO FIRST PLACE AFTER ALL THERE YEARS IN WASHINGTON,AND HELL OBAMA IS RUNNING AGAINST THREE PEOPLE BILL,HILLARY,AND CHELSEA AND DONT FORGET ABOUT THOSE WHO JUST CAN'T VOTE FOR ANY MAN THAT HAS ANY BLACK IN HIM.AND LETS NOT ACT LIKE IT STILL DOESN'T EXSIST.JUST TAKE A GOOD LOOK AT WHATS GOING ON.

FV   April 23rd, 2008 3:25 am ET

They need to pull their head out and face the facts.....
HILLARY IS THE BEST CHOICE TO LEAD THIS NATION.

Obama is a whinny kid and McCain is a has been milquetoast.

Tanita   April 23rd, 2008 3:23 am ET

CONGRATULATION SENATOR CLINTON. Amazing victory!!!
Pansilvania you are great State with a lot of smart p[eople!
Thank you!!!!!!!
Obama ads was much more negative then Clinton ads.
Obama has no experience, he cannot be President and with his corruption scandals (REZKO trial) and his radical Church and his pastor Geremiah Wright, and "bitter" comments, and his love to people who hate America , Barac Obama is not fit to be a Senator - not to mention the next President of the United States.
And now Obama gets superdelegates two ways.
1). He is buying them (He paid a lot of money to them. )
2)The other way – he threaten them to switch sides. And this is Democratic process?!
Superdelegates should be independent!!!

I WANT TO ASK YOU, GOVERNORS, SENATORS AND OTHER SUPERDELEGATES, WHY YOU ARE ENDORSING BARAC HUSEIN OBAMA? IS IT OK THAT HE IS A MEMBER FOR 20 YEARS OF RADICAL CHURCH WHO PREACHES HATE WHITE PEOPLE AND HATE AMERICA??? You want him in a White House??? with Jeremiah Wright, Loues Farrakhan, James Zogby ets.
You betrayed America and American people!!! Shame on you!!!

colo   April 23rd, 2008 3:23 am ET

Time for Obama to goooooooooooooooooooooooo

Go Hillary

Pam   April 23rd, 2008 3:22 am ET

The Clintons are so hungry for more power that in the process of losing they destroy their own party.
What gives?
How will she even seem credible in four years?

Shame on you Hillary!

coolclimate   April 23rd, 2008 3:21 am ET

Yay, re-elect the establishment! Vote for Hillary!

Newman   April 23rd, 2008 3:21 am ET

Oh, the people want her, you say? Then why didn't she win 80-20 or even 70-30? Because she doesn't have a chance. Obama put a huge dent in her ride through PA and now she is out of money, while Barack is riding strong. Super D's realize how Obama brings the party together, and inspires millions of first time voters and former republicans to vote for him. What does Hillary do, lies and fear. I am deeply ashamed of PA when 67% find her untrustworthy yet still vote for her. Probably because some whites are voting white and women are voting for a woman. This country has a long way to go if we are choosing candidates like 3 year olds on the playground. And don't think we didn't forget about her obliterate Iran statement. Despicable!

tyler   April 23rd, 2008 3:19 am ET

For all you Hillary supporters whinning about Obama out spending her. Think about what your saying. The Clinton camp is completely broke. They owe everyone money. Obama took in 40 million in April
alone. Where do think the money comes from....supporters! That's
right just a bunch of people sick and tired of politicians who do nothing but rape our country. It's true that maybe most of us haven't been too engaged in politics of the past but we are NOW. I think if anything proves beyond a doubt that Obama is the right person to be our next president, it's the amount of 5-10-25 dollar contributions that millions of his supporters give in support of the greatest movement since the revolution.

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ObamaforUSPresident

jerome   April 23rd, 2008 3:19 am ET

Wake up America! Mrs. Clinton is no different than any other candidate whose ever ran for or occupied the Oval Office–it's just that she's a woman. She hasn't told any more lies or misreprestnted herself any more than any other candidate in the past. Because she's a woman we hold her to a different standard, and it's not fair. How soon we forget (GWB was elected twice). I'm amazed at all the negativity she 's receiving from women in this country, If you want Mother Theresa for President, sorry, your too late , she dead!! As far as the NYT, no one respects them any more, "Bait and Switch" is their tactic.

Suzie from Australia   April 23rd, 2008 3:18 am ET

I watch this drama as a believer in the USA as a leader in the world that I want to exist. I call it the US! Even if Hillary has scraped up the numbers, do you guys really want a President who behaves like an attack dog. Obama is a symbol of the America I want to believe in. Keep at it Barack

Texas4Hillary   April 23rd, 2008 3:16 am ET

This piece by the NY times borders the ridiculous. They know that this is American politics and are juicing the drama fruit for all its worth. One can complain and whine about plenty of American Institutions, but the reality is our American Political System is one of the BEST in the world and it is one of the reasons we are what we are as a nation.......................GREAT!

Darryl   April 23rd, 2008 3:16 am ET

Obama had no chance to win the great state of PA. His only hope was to close the gap. Mission accomplished. Good job Obama. Hillary it's time to stop the negative campaigning. Congrats to Hillary for the win. You need to increase delegates to win.

gail Knowles   April 23rd, 2008 3:12 am ET

Sen. Clinton is doing the Democratic party a favor - if Senator Obama wins the nomination he will be a tougher candidate facing what I am sure will be the relentless attacks of the Republican party. And what exactly is so negative about Sen. Clinton's adverts - I for one will to vote for someone who IS paying attention to Bin Laden, rising oil prices etc. These are legitimate concerns as well as the socio-economic issues facing our country. Scary? Yes. Fear mongering, No.

The O   April 23rd, 2008 3:12 am ET

Well let me be the first to thank Hillary for giving the white house to the Republicans for another 8 years thank you Hillary you have done a great job. this win does not really matter she will not win the nomination but now Obama can't win the GE becuase the party is to split and divide. I guess those genarals are giving her millitary advise divide and conquor.

Every super delegate needs to be kicked in the neck ninja style for letting this nincompoopery to continue on. This is the most disgusting thing I have ever seen in my life and some people are buying into Hillary's lie's and crap. well we know why and geraldine said Obama would not be where he is if he was not black what a bunch of crap just like everything that comes out of Hillary's mouth

THE O

Bill Parker   April 23rd, 2008 3:11 am ET

Writer Bill "W" (I take my signature cues from John Hancock, not Aaron Burr) thinks so mightily of himself that he presumes to apologize for all the "stupid people" in his state of Pennsylvania (i.e., who don't agree with him). His attitude certainly fits well with that of his apparent favorite, Barack Obama! One thing I've always noticed about arrogant, condescending people of unmitigated gall: they are utterly unaware of how they sound. The common term is "tone deaf."

Crispus   April 23rd, 2008 3:10 am ET

please tell me what does "How many Angels can dance on the head of a pin?" mean?(Her response to the $800,000 her family got from the Colombians to lobby for the CAFTA) and did those funds become part of the 5 mil. she lent her campaign.

kevin williams   April 23rd, 2008 3:09 am ET

WoW,all 7 of you have come out with real happy feelin for Hillary,and thats so sweet,that it will not make a difference what you think of Obama or how you have these great Admirations for Hillary.If you think Hillary will make a better President then Obama,or you think This woman is the first American President,then its ok..But if you are voting simply cause she's White,then we've come nowhere,if you are voting for her cause she's White and a woman,you are half way there,And if you are voting for her cause you think Obama will make life better for all black people then you are as stupid as a man who tries to hold up a bank with nothing to back him up.. The smart money will be on the better person for the job,Not the lighter person,,You are lookin for a small victory not a smart leader,you are lookin another Caucasian President not the best Candidate for the Job..You all need to get a grip,cause if you don't, polident will not be enough to keep this fading country together...

mollygonz   April 23rd, 2008 3:08 am ET

LONNIE H:

I loved your post. It was so right on!! I am disappointed in PA as well but don't forget that nearly half did vote for Obama. I'm not even worried. He has it wrapped up regardless. My brother also lives in Ohio and he told me when Hillary won Ohio that Ohio always screws it up in the end. I had to laugh! Don't get me wrong..I love Ohio, I am from Cleveland and Cuyahoga County was one of the counties that supported Barack I'm proud to say. He will be fine and will go on to win most of the next contests. Any gain she had today will be wiped out in North Carolina.

ado-NY   April 23rd, 2008 3:07 am ET

As an Obama supporter i'm pleased with the results, although they could have been better. When a person with such a recognizable name runs for president (such as Clinton), it is obvious the other candidates will have to outspend them in order to compete.

People seem to forget that Clinton had a 20% lead in PA a month ago. Obama had to campaign hard in order to minimize this margin to as little as possible, and it seems that he did.

In Clintons victory speech she continued to attack Obama, but in Obamas losing speech he attacked McCain (which they both need to start doing) and barely even poked fun at Clinton.

guy   April 23rd, 2008 3:06 am ET

If the voters knew about some of Obamas radical enemies of the state in February he would be out by now.
Anyway,it's sad to have to choose from either of the two democrats and the republications aren't offering much either.This country is so divided and we're in real trouble because no one governs with good common sense anymore.This attitude of hooray for us and screw you too has real people on the sidelines with no relief in sight.
Voters beware no matter who gets elected because no one in congress seems to care either.The tail is wagging the dog and that spells big trouble.

Amber   April 23rd, 2008 3:06 am ET

What did she win except another state b/c she's still in the same position with delegetes. Unfortunately it'll take my home state of NC to sock it to her where she'll lose big time. Just like the overwhelmingly percentages of white votes that came out to support her, it's time for the blacks of NC to bring her back down off her high. Let's face it our nation isn't ready for a black president or a female so you better brace yourselves for John Mccain McBush. Due to America's continued RACISM and Sexism you'll continue down the same destructive path. I hope all the "rednecks" in the pickups who are broke and don't have any savings go bankrupt and homeless b/c due to your ignorance and in the inability to get beyond "COLOR" that's where you'll be with Mccain in office.

bjm - Knoxville, TN   April 23rd, 2008 3:04 am ET

THIS campaign is negative? Give me a break, NY Times! Yes, Hillary AND Barack have slung some arrows, but nothing to match past campaigns. Why are you guys at the Times wringing your hands and slamming Hillary? Because she's a female, and you consider it "unfeminine"? Or just because she IS a female? Apparently your paper has joined the rest of the media in its male chauvinistic revulsion, fear, and realization that, yes, a WOMAN, could actually become president of the U.S.A. HORRORS!

You're the best, Hillary! Smart, experienced, tough AND tender. GO SISTER WOMAN!!! I'm with you all the way!

Carla Patrick   April 23rd, 2008 3:03 am ET

We are the people. The people are being bambozled by the Clinton's. Do people honestly believe that Hillary will not lie to the people on a continuning basis? Hillary and Bill will do anything to reclaim the white house again so, Bill can have it as his playground . We are the people. The people should open their eyes and pay attention. She will do anything, say anything just to be in power again. Wake up people!

whitegrandmaforObama   April 23rd, 2008 3:03 am ET

billary had to win PA. she grew up. she even went hunting with her father. do you get where i am going with this. she should have won with bigger margin. most older voters are stuck in the past.

Cheryl   April 23rd, 2008 3:02 am ET

is hillary thinking about the long term effect her negative campaigning will have – for one, I truly believe she won't be able to unite the party.

in the end you can say that people are whining but you will need those same people when it comes time for the general election – so being negative MAY SEEM to be working for the minute but NOT down the road.

Barb in TN   April 23rd, 2008 3:02 am ET

Talk about math. With her WIN tonight Hillary is only 1% behind Obama in the popular vote. This is the vote that should count the most because it is actually representative of the people who took the time check out the candidates and vote for them.
By the way, the Replicans who crossed over voted mostly for Obama. Perhaps because they know come November he would be far easier to beat than Hillary the fighter.
And PLEASE stop bringing up Lewinsky, she has absolutely nothing to do with this race. Talk about dirty politics from the Obama supporters! Bill Clinton is NOT running. And I personally applaud a woman who sticks with her marriage and tries to work it out instead of just giving up and taking the easy way out by getting a divorce. Goes to show how much of a fighter she really is. Shows a lot of back bone to me as I'm sure a lot of people advised her to leave him. Divorce is also against her religon so she did what was morally right for her.

stinky in florida   April 23rd, 2008 3:02 am ET

What did she gain? Not much. What are we going to hear from Hillary in Indiana and elsewhere, more lies? I can't imagine four years of that patronizing cackle....no you can't. Obama will be the nominee, you may as well get behind this man. Do you really want senator McBomb?

Dylan   April 23rd, 2008 3:01 am ET

Hillary needs to change her party affilitation. These are not tactics used by the Party of Jefferson, Roosevelt and Kennedy. She is a disgrace to the "D". I have lost all respect for her and her slime machine.

Crispus   April 23rd, 2008 3:01 am ET

HRC is really a Republican and she is only pulling lightweight Republicans who will leave to vote for the GOP. She took the backing from newspaper that did everything to impeach her husband Bill. Her loyalties are with the "Clinton" brand not Democratic party.

tyler   April 23rd, 2008 3:01 am ET

A big hand for the New York Times for having the editorial honesty to write the truth. Hillary Clinton is a major disgrace and a major set back for woman who aspire to be all they can be. Success is not something you lie, cheat and steal like Hillary has been doing. What kind of country are we to even allow such a pathetic and desperate person to run for the highest office. It's a complete disgrace to every single man and woman

YES WE CAN!
ObamaforUSPresident.com

Jane   April 23rd, 2008 3:00 am ET

Hey Jane from above - The people in this country recognize the truth alright – They recognize that Hillary Clinton is a liar who will and has already permanently outsourced important US jobs overseas for her own political gain, use negative tactics to try to bring other candidates, Barack Obama and John McCain both down to her level, and over 50% of the nation cannot stand the woman because she is unscrupulous. Of course, you, like Hillary, have a selective memory, because she voted for the Iraq War and has no plans to recreate any of the tens of thousands of precious jobs that she already eliminated from the US. One more thing, she is a pathological liar. The people recognize the truth about that in her as well.

Welcome to the real world, Jane from above.

Barack Obama WILL WIN the nomination in '08.

Director Michael Moore has endorsed Barack Obama as well!

Trish- PA   April 23rd, 2008 3:00 am ET

In light of what my stupid fellow Pennsylvanians did tonight by voting for her. she only gained 3 or 4 delegates and the blood bath goes on. We all knew he wasn't going to win, just like we all know she isn't going to win North Carolina. And we all knew she wasn't going to win Illinois. And we all knew he wasn't going to win New York. And so on. But she was supposed to win by 20% or better. She did not win by that much. She needed at least 60% of the vote to have any shot at all of catching up. the simple fact is, Obama is still the front runner and will remain so because there is no way she can catch up. Taking away the nomination from someone who is in the lead will cause, as one reporter put it earlier, complete chaos. There are enough Clinton supporters who would vote for him in the general, that he would win by a long shot. But take the nomination away from someone who is clearly in the lead, and you loose as much as half of the Obama supporters. She would lose. Relax Obama people. We pretty much have it in the bag unless Clinton buys her way into the nomination. Oh, wait. She's broke. Game over.

Brian   April 23rd, 2008 3:00 am ET

Clinton wins PA by WHOPPING 6 delegates (99% reporting). She may have won the battle, but she came in 142 down, and is leaving PA down 138 delegates. And what does she have to look forward to? A TON of Obama-supporting states ahead of her. With only 408 state delegates left to divide up after PA, she has to pick up 2 for every 1 that Obama picks-up, to get ahead in the race! It's either that or pick up almost every remaining superdelegate. I'm sorry, but even 1st graders have figured out by now, that this is not possible. The superdelegates will not turn against the people they represent, to overthrow Obama.

My predictions (if she doesn't give up by then):
Guam (4): 3-1 Obama
North Carolina (115): 70-45 Obama
Kentucky (51): 28-23 Obama
Montana (16): 11-5 Obama
Puerto Rico (55): 32-23 Obama
Indiana (72): 38-34 Clinton
West Virginia (28): 14-14 Tie
Oregon (52): 32-20 Obama
South Dakota (15): 10-5 Obama

Total when this is over (minus superdelegates, currently 311 undecided): 1928 Obama – 1730 Clinton. Obama will be up by 198, the superdelegates will have no choice, and will side with Obama as the Democratic Presidential Nominee.

Kyle   April 23rd, 2008 2:59 am ET

Can someone please explain Senator Clinton's vast foreign policy experience? Being first lady doesn't exactly constitute foreign policy experience unless she was having meetings with foreign leaders behind closed doors out of sight.

Hillary Supported   April 23rd, 2008 2:59 am ET

I am a Hillary supporter, so it is with great pain that I have to say that she and her staff just don't get it – it's not about the popular vote anymore – mathatically, she can't win on that front. Her only hope is the Super Delegates and they are the ones most turned off my her negative campaigning, As long as she continues to listen to her husband and go negative, the Super Delegates will continue to move towards Obama, Come on Hillary, get a clue!

Cindy   April 23rd, 2008 2:58 am ET

The party "is" divided, julie. In her efforts to take back her nomination, she has painted Obama so badly, that her supporters won't vote for him if he wins. There is no more unified party.

She has no money. She's splintered her party. And yet she uses this victory to carry on. For what? So she can possibly make a case to the Superdelegates to overturn the popular vote? Such a selfish woman.

David Chambers   April 23rd, 2008 2:58 am ET

The NY Times editorial finally spoke to the heart of the problem with the whole Clintn bid for the White House. Do we want a small-minded, vindictive, polarizing person in the White House? This is too much like the occupant we have now!

Obama still inspires us with a more hopeful message. Remember, the kind of "experience" Clinton slams into our faces is the "experience" that got us to where we are in the first place.

I have been hoping for a leader to come along and Obama is that leader. Clinton is just a mean spirited politician. She will not pull those of us who really wanted regime change into her camp. And that could be a tragic problem for the Democrats and for the country as a whole.

Sharon   April 23rd, 2008 2:57 am ET

The negativity of Clinton's campaign is destroying Obama–good for Senator Clinton, but a disaster for the Democratic Party. She'll need that party to win in November.

ATW   April 23rd, 2008 2:57 am ET

Clearly, by the look of these comments, her pandering and Hate Obama, Love Me rhetoric has paid off. She's done a better job of turning her supporters into anti-Obamaites than the Republicans. So far at least 10 of her lines have been already repeated on this page. Way to go, Hillary.

VA08   April 23rd, 2008 2:56 am ET

If Hillary steals this nomination, I along with all my friends, co-workers and family have sworn to vote for McCain!!!....McCain is the lesses of the two evils!!!!

Noel - London   April 23rd, 2008 2:56 am ET

This type of criticism, by an esteemed broadsheet should wake us all up to the type of anxious, manipulatable, angry presidency that Mzzz Clinton would foist upon your nation.

As a 7 year old child in the 60s, seeing JFK represent your country, its positivity and its capability (which I might add has long since gone but regainable) as a nation with VALUES, we would like to remind you that the rest of the world needs Obama PDQ. Dump the fear and head for VALUES for a change.

Chris   April 23rd, 2008 2:55 am ET

American politics is a filthy business. The negative stuff from either party is predictable.

However…..

Karl Rove and Neo-CONs exploited 9/11 in 2004. Fear tactics are right out of the republican’s Bag-o-Dirty Mind Tricks. It’s was inappropriate then and its inappropriate now. The Clinton Campaign is insulting our collective intelligence.

Do us all a favor Hillary ….Leave the Nazi style fear-mongering to the Republicans.

I can’t wait to read the myopic Billary supporters trying to spin this.

Ephy   April 23rd, 2008 2:55 am ET

I think this is not a win. Hillary Clinton waving Bin Laden in order for her to win is not to solve the spiny socioeconomic issues facing America today.
I am sorry Hillary, but you lost.

Zanotti-Abroad   April 23rd, 2008 2:54 am ET

Congrats Hillary! The PEOPLE want YOU! The media (negative perspective)... can stuff it!

Hillary Supporter   April 23rd, 2008 2:54 am ET

Oh come on now, all you Obamacons don't be so "bitter" hahahahahaha!

Bill   April 23rd, 2008 2:54 am ET

Hillary and her supporters think the world revolves around her. Her "experience", the part that wasn't invented or misspoken, amounted to entertaining and being entertained and failing to engage Congress and the public on health care. Who in the military would want someone who lied about being under fire answering that 3 AM call and sending them into harm's way? No one.

With all her negativity and pandering, she has only picked up a couple of delegates more than Obama and she'll lose them back again. She'll lose every remaining primary except Puerto Rico. She's done. Over.

If her supporters walk away from Obama and allow McCain and his right wing handlers to further destroy the economy, the environment, and America's reputation around the world just because their girl didn't get in...well at least we'll know who to blame. The vast right wing conspiracy, of course!!!

Jerad H.   April 23rd, 2008 2:54 am ET

The far-left New York Times is one of the most biased newspapers in America. They turned on Hilary as soon as the more liberal Obama pulled ahead (Hilary is liberal but Obama is a Marxist). It should come as no surprise that they don't want Hilary to "wave the bloody shirt of 9/11." They'd rather pretend it never happened, or that it was an inside job, like the rest of the leftist myrmidons.

Anyway, I'm glad these two and their supporters keep on fighting. They are just weakening each other, and helping ensure that an idealogical pacifist doesn't become President.

The Patriot   April 23rd, 2008 2:54 am ET

Why are we so afraid? HRC plays into our fears and divisions. Those who turn a blind eye to her embracement of lobbyists and special interests are the same good ole guys/gals that would defend her habitual lying. If she wins the nomination despite only having won 14 of 44 contests the party base and the rest of the world will view American democracy as a big joke.

AK in LA   April 23rd, 2008 2:53 am ET

I've got to say, having not been reading this ticker for about a month now, I'm pleased to see it not littered with Clinton bashers. Actual Clinton supporters...wow. I agree she's a fighter. And that's a quality I want in MY president. Good job Hillary. I am glad my 11 year old daughter got to watch your acceptance speech tonight!
NYT...get over it. She won. It's called a political campaign!

Darryl   April 23rd, 2008 2:53 am ET

A hollow congrats to Senator Clinton win in PA. You're all kidding yourself if you think that Clinton wasn't going to win in a state like PA. There is no way on this earth that a black man would win PA. We all know that. So, why all the hype?? All Obama could have hoped to do was what he did maintain a 45-46% gain on Clinton in a racist State.
Wake up people reality is reality. We have a white woman and a black man who will you vote for?? Bottom line skin color does make a difference. Hillary don't destroy the democratic part for your own political gain. Obama has the lead let it go.

Sorry and Congrats Clinton

funobama   April 23rd, 2008 2:52 am ET

this is a delegate primary not by state. obama is still ahead. he is going to win the nomination. clinton supporters start getting use to Obama being the nominee. every state she won is a democrat state, and he is also going to win those same states in the general. you have to give him some credit, he close the gap.

driven   April 23rd, 2008 2:52 am ET

give up all the clinton spamming..

Hillary will be the greatest president of our lifetimes

Brandon   April 23rd, 2008 2:52 am ET

Interesting how people are not reporting that a month ago, the Clinton lead was over 15% in Pennsylvania.

Interesting how people are not talking about the fact that the lead had been cut to only 10% despite all the negative news about his Pastor, news which was meant to sink Obama.

Interesting how people are not talking about the fact that clinton only dug into Obama's lead by 6 delegates, after Obama shooting his foot with his supposedly infamous "guns and religion" quote.

At the end of it all, Clinton started Pennsylvania with a 15% lead in the polls, after the votes came in – walked away with a 10% margin. This was after everything AND the kitchen sink was thrown at the man.

Emma   April 23rd, 2008 2:51 am ET

well i wonder how long the media will continue to push the idea into the minds of voters that clinton can win the nomination. The whole thing has just become a laughable circus. Its all about what the media makes the american people believe which is, anything. Sad thing to see americans go along with the nonsense.

Mary W. - NY   April 23rd, 2008 2:51 am ET

I am so disappointed in my home state of Pa. Still believe Barack will win, though. I used to support Hillary but her negativity and inability to control Bill really turned me off. I am so sick of this campaign. Obama has done his best to rise above the dirt. He gets criticized for not fighting back and then criticized when he does. I blame the electorate as well as the media for the tone of this campaign. but the media most. They have been disgusting.

Sophie   April 23rd, 2008 2:49 am ET

I am so done with the political process if Hillary wins. How could our country ever trust her again after the hell of a war she endorsed and voted on?

OBAMA 2008, if he doesn't get the nomination I'm voting for Nader.

McCain and Clinton are the same thing with different wrapping paper.

Ben   April 23rd, 2008 2:48 am ET

When you're in debt and your supporters can't afford to buy food, spin out the 9/11 theme.

Too bad Hillary doesn't even have $12 million to spend and that she didn't win PA by 20 points.

Too bad Hillary has run one of the worst campaigns in modern history.

Too bad, that there are people who equate Hillary's failed healthcare plan, her divisive campaign, her vote on the Iraq War as "foreign experience enjoy her habitual lying. I guess being wrong is the new right for the uneducated.

Too bad that "hope" and "change" are dirty words to folks who want to keep the status quo.

Congrats to President McCain, who will receive all the benefit of Clinton's negative campaigning. Good old redneck USA.

Amber from NC   April 23rd, 2008 2:48 am ET

At this point Hillary doesn't stand a chance to win the nomination without the superdelegates. Isn't that a republic???? You think people were screaming when Florida and Michigan's votes didn't count.... wait until you discredit the American people and their vote with superdelegates. I will not vote at all in the general election if she wins. If I voted for either Hillary Clinton or John McCain, I'd be supporting a republic... maybe Nader will get my vote this year.

Michael, Canada   April 23rd, 2008 2:48 am ET

As an outsider looking in, I find it amusing the spin Clinton supporters try to use. They make a claim that Obama outspent her 2 or 3 to 1 but fail to mention Obama just gets more money from his supporters. Of course he'll spend more. He has more. They try to make a claim that Clinton wins in the 'big' states but can't seen to come to grips with the fact that she is losing. Tonights' election was the last chance for Clinton to make a dent in Obama's lead in delegates and she failed. Obama continues to have an enormous lead in delegates. And the only thing that matters is delegates.

Lonnie H.- Toledo, Ohio   April 23rd, 2008 2:48 am ET

Great job Pennsylvania! Way to keep the hopes alive of a candidate that has:

1. Lied several times in the face of the American people (just like her husband did) WITHOUT APOLOGY.

2. Continues to employ and work closely with Mark Penn, who met with the Columbian government concerning trades deals. A blatant conflict of interest.

3. Who's campaign is $10 million dollars in debt; yet she feels she's ready to take on America's economy? That's a joke! And why aren't all you hardcore Clinton "supporters" supporting her campaign? The bandwagoners are the ones giving her money now; that's why it dries up so quick.

4. Who plays with double standards, saying Obama is "cheering on John McCain" when in fact she did even more cheering on John McCain when she aligned her experience with his about 25 times and said he would be more ready on day one than Obama.

5. Who uses republican fear tactics to win a primary.

6. Who hails from 6 or 7 different states; everywhere she goes she quickly becomes the "hometown" girl? Give me a break!

7. Who more than 60% of democratic voters say is untrustworthy.

8. Who will do anything to damage Obama, just in case she doesn't get the nomination; all so she can stand in foolish pride and say "I told you so" if he doesn't win the general.

9. Who is all set and ready to "obliterate" Iran. I'm sure the republicans will have a field day with that quote.

10. Who is allowing her own pride and selfishness to ruin the chances for the democratic party.

11. Who is actually foolish enough to think that people will vote for her in the general if she is the primary reason that all of these votes don't count come convention time, and the "super" delegates hand her the nomination. FYI- When Americans are stabbed in the back, we won't further support you.

12. Who the republicans will have a field day with. She got over 100,000 republican turn democrat votes in Pa. The republicans want Clinton to win. They have admitted that. They know it would be a cake walk defeating her, even with John McCain.

I could go on, but you get my drift. Again great job Pa!

Your neighbor in Ohio- another stupid state

Lonnie H.- Toledo, OH.

Peter in Canada   April 23rd, 2008 2:47 am ET

To Noah:
Honestly and no offence intended, but the 12 Million was to buy Indiana and North Carolina and subsequent primary jurisdictions. Thats how politics works, Obama has bankrupted Hillary's campaign at a time when she has maxed out her donations.
With a rather meagre win in Penn. and still no chance to win the pledged delegates (even including FL. and MI.) she will not be able to raise significant funds to compete with Obama from here on in. In short he has most of the monopoly board loaded with hotels and she owns Board Walk and Park Place with nothing else!

mark bogdanos   April 23rd, 2008 2:47 am ET

I think the NYT is "shocked " to find that there is negativity in the Clinton campaign. Well a least we can still believe that Ted Kennedy was just an innocent bystander that night in Chappaquidik.

Linda   April 23rd, 2008 2:47 am ET

Blanketing states with millions of dollars did not work for Mitt Romney, and it is not going to work for Obama. People are starting to come out of their Bush-induced coma, looking around, and finding the candidate that is tough enough to beat the Republicans. GO HILLARY!!! Get over it, NY TImes...

Kat   April 23rd, 2008 2:47 am ET

The Clintons did not have to spend much with their machine going in PA. Same old politics.
I cannot believe that women look up to her – she represents the worst in women – lying when the truth would be better, adopting different tones of voice and language syntax to suit her audience, She is not authentic. Watch her body language just before she tells a whopper.
The pundits haven't figured out why Obama doesn't score well in certain areas – it's just plain racism. When Obama is half black and half white, why is it his blackness that bothers people so?
The Clintons have been negative and when Obama has defended himself, he has been dragged down into their muck and mire.

Ron in Rancho Park   April 23rd, 2008 2:47 am ET

What I don't understand is how the media can be so blatantly in love with Obama?

Hillary spent a fraction of what Obama did, and she won by DOUBLE DIGITS. Yet, here you guys are publicizing commentary against Clinton.

It's amazing, now that Clinton has some momentum and could win the nomination, the press wants to stop her momentum so that Democratic party stays in limbo.

Congratulations, Hillary Clinton.

I CHOOSE CLINTON

Jim   April 23rd, 2008 2:46 am ET

You people are missing the point entirely. In every large state, Senator Clinton starts off with a huge lead, mainly due to name recognition. But, as people get to know Senator Obama, they grow to like him more and his message of change resonates with them.

Clinton wins the older women (because of aspirational politics) and scores well with lower income, high school educated voters, again mainly because of name recognition. However, she has no endgame that will ever result in her being elected President. Even if somehow she convinces the Super-delegates to overturn the will of the people and opt for her, it will so turn off the Obama supporters and even those on the fence, that the party may never recover and she will certainly not get their votes in the fall. Meanwhile, her underhanded tactics are bloodying Obama and giving the Rovians fodder to put his election in doubt in the fall.

She has to get out after Indiana if she loses.

Winterblink   April 23rd, 2008 2:45 am ET

Hillary supporters like to ask
"Why couldn't he win?"

Reality prefers to ask
"Why couldn't she win bigger?"
from 20% in March to a 10% squeaker...

julie   April 23rd, 2008 2:45 am ET

the party is only divided if we make it divided.
stop this nonsensical talk.
we will support whomever gets the nomination.
period.
the party is clearly SPLIT....(but we are still a party)....in the meantime...keep fightin' for what you believe in...

hillary '08
democrat '08

Brad   April 23rd, 2008 2:45 am ET

Alleging negativity, on the part of Senator Clinton, without offering one or any specific references to what kinds of tactics constitute negative campaigning, seems disengenous. Simply, she made a focused criticism of something Obama did say and drew a reasonable inference, which is that the comments seemed elitist. Is this negative, or is it simply making a point about the potential weaknesses of the candidate against whom you are running.

Further, in the ad with Osama bin laden, Osama's 3 second appearance is part of a montage symbolic of a range of crises that faces the next president; is this negative or simply making an argument?

LatinoinAZ   April 23rd, 2008 2:45 am ET

This is just terrible coming from the New York Times. I will boycott them from now on!!!! On the eve of Senator Clinton celebrating her victory, and they want to rain on her parade. I'm outraged!!!!
Go Clinton!!!!

Mike   April 23rd, 2008 2:44 am ET

To Bill of Pa,

Would you like to borrow the moving van that moves Senator Clinton into the White House to move you out of Pennsylvania?

Would you like some cheese to go along with your whine or wine, either or?

Go Hillary!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Double Digits!!!!!!!!

Scot   April 23rd, 2008 2:42 am ET

I'm glad somebody in the media is good at math.

Penn was not a win for Hillary,,, a tie at best.

For the past week we've seen polls with a 5% margin for Hillary with 9% undecided.

Surprise! Surprise! Surprise! 5% plus half of 9% is 9 1/2 to 10%!

... and starting with a 20% lead!

... and tens of millions in debt, against an opponent with tens of millions in reserves.

A big win for Hillary indeed.

Two more months of trench warfare while McCain gets a free ride.

Ed   April 23rd, 2008 2:41 am ET

Hillary is a street fighter and she won, period. Money doesn't buy respect and by the way, Pennsylvanians are NOT FOR SALE. 10 points.. .stop whining, this is far from negative, no adults want to hear it. Bottom line is Hillary has our backs, so we have hers. Great job Senator Clinton. We're with you, end of story.

Hari   April 23rd, 2008 2:40 am ET

Finally, NYT. Thanks for writing this AFTER you endorsed her.

Tony   April 23rd, 2008 2:40 am ET

Where ignorance is bliss, tis folly to be wise. The race is not for the swiftest but for those who can endure till the end. Obama is made of sterner stuff, an yes he is an honorable man. So, all Hillary supporters.....if you have tears, prepare to shed them now.

tomdavie   April 23rd, 2008 2:39 am ET

No. The NY Times writer is just stamping his feet like a little child. Obama did this to himself. He cant win blue collar voters. It aint just Pennysvannia. Ohio as well. He cannot win them. Period.

Jane   April 23rd, 2008 2:39 am ET

Hillary is about people recognizing the truth. And,the truth is 9-11 is something that NO ONE will ever forget, But, in this campaign alot of the younger generation seems to have gotten so caught up in the Obama movement, that they have forgotten. Or at least appear to have.
The possibility of another attack on American soil still lingers. If and when that does happen who will stand up to these terrorists and won't back down? HILLARY!!!!

Hope and change doesn't cut it.

Maria   April 23rd, 2008 2:39 am ET

I can't believe PA would vote for a Liar. She lies right to their face. She has fooled PA. .

Nicholas Dagher   April 23rd, 2008 2:39 am ET

This election hasn't changed a single thing. Obama has faced a month's worth of criticism and Rove/Republican like attacks from Hilary and the rest of her gang. The Penn. debate (which looked more like an ambush) was incredibly unfair and helped eliminate the gains Obama was making in the polls. I was in disbelief after ABC questioned Obama's patriotism by asking him why he doesn't wear an american lapel pin. Do you really think that our elected Democratic or Republican officials genuinely question Obama's patriotism behind closed doors? If you do, you must realize that you are being fooled and guided into a direction that is contrary to your best interests by individuals whose personal interests are contrary to yours.

Cyndi   April 23rd, 2008 2:38 am ET

It's about time Clinton was called on her fear mongering tactics and negativity. As a CNN panel member put it so aptly this evening....Hilliary ran the ads that the Republicans would have loved to but now they don't have to...she did it for them. Pennsylvania Democrats–what were you thinking?

Brandon   April 23rd, 2008 2:38 am ET

And what did Clinton win? an extra 6 delagates? And stil 138delegates short.
Let me see, Obama still has the majority of delegates, and the superdelegates are almost tied.
Can Clinton supporters tell us why they are happy that Hillary used 9/11 as part of her campaign?
Anyway, I am not quite sure if you (clinton supporters) know, that even if she wins out 55/45, and that will be impossible anyway, she will STILL lose the nomination.

One other thing, interesting to see how hateful clinton supporters are. In exit polls in Pennsylvania, 15% of clinton supporters will vote Republican if Obama gets the nomination, while it was 6% for Obama supporters.

Your party is your party, but I guess in terms of the supporters character, I guess them apples don't fall too far from the tree.

Indiana for Hillary   April 23rd, 2008 2:38 am ET

We in Indiana believe in her, and will put the next big win in her column.

The New York Times has one foot in the grave and is irrelevant. Now we know why – they don't get it. Hillary WON.

Johan   April 23rd, 2008 2:38 am ET

Jay in Kansas: I'm sure Obama probably learned more than Hillary about diplomacy when he studied International Relations (political science) than Hillary did with her tea trips around the world as first lady. I really don't understand why a nation in which education is supposedly valued so much it is scoffed at when one is actually educated in that field...

Mose   April 23rd, 2008 2:38 am ET

Finally people like the Times see Hillary as she really is. Same Old politics with dirty campaigning. What ever it takes– Boznia, nafta reversal, and on and on.

Obama will win the rest.

deroy   April 23rd, 2008 2:37 am ET

NY TIMES out of touch with reality.

being run into the ground by sulzberger JR and bill keller the son of former CHEVRON "OIL" CEO.
keller lives off oil money.

a couple of cheap crooks.

America Post Obama   April 23rd, 2008 2:37 am ET

Hillary for president would be a REAL CHANGE for the better, Obama for president would only be 1/2 a change into the unknown. Would you rather have an experienced captain at the ship's helm during a storm or an inexperieced rookie with no track record.

Michael   April 23rd, 2008 2:37 am ET

Good, it's true. It's sadly the only reason she regained momentum after Obama blindsighted her and became the frontrunner.

Peter Paul Vs. Clinton goes to trial next month. Hopefully this will open peoples' eyes as to who she really is.

richard   April 23rd, 2008 2:37 am ET

I dont have much but I am going to donate $100 more to Hillary's campaign. Way to go Hillary you are the President we have been waiting for.

Patrick Blackmon   April 23rd, 2008 2:37 am ET

Who runs Obama's campaign? Kindergarten teachers? Yeah, right. And all this "change" rhetoric — are all of the congressional super delegates supporting Obama going to resign their seats so that newer, fresher, and changed people can take their place. Yeah, right. It seems to me that the real change happening here is that money no longer ensures victory; just look how Hillary was outspent yet still managed to rout her opponent.

Mose   April 23rd, 2008 2:37 am ET

Finally people like the Times see Hillary as she really is. Same Old politics with dirty campaigning. What ever it takes– Boznia, nafta reversal, and on and on.

Obama will win the rest.

AreYouKiddingMe   April 23rd, 2008 2:36 am ET

I am sure if you would asked Obama a month ago if Hillary beats you by 6 delegates in PA will he consider that a victory for him. His answer would have been Yes Yes Yes. Let’s not spin this as a huge win for Hillary when she only gain 6 delegates. Now I guess she will need 80% of the remaining votes to win. Are you kidding me?

Rex   April 23rd, 2008 2:36 am ET

Hooray for the NYT!

Hillary has shown clearly that she is willing to do anything to win – if the super D's choose her, even though she doesn't have a majority of either delegates or popular votes, they are kissing the under 40 vote good bye.

I am 70 and i would really like to see us honor the future, not the dead hand of the pasr!

Mark   April 23rd, 2008 2:35 am ET

Will Bob Casey now follow his electorate's decision and back Clinton again?

And will Bill Richardson, and Ted Kennedy?

If we apply the principle that superdelegates should back those who their voters back, as some of Clinton defectors argue, to ALL superdelegates - I wonder what the total superdelegate count in the race will be?

Or do D-superdelegates prefer to talk of loyalties to their voters only when it justifies their defecting Clinton to Obama?

richard   April 23rd, 2008 2:34 am ET

More MSM spin. Check the facts NY times. A little research on the attack timeline on Obama shows his campaign was negative long before. It does not take long.

Michelle   April 23rd, 2008 2:34 am ET

God bless the New York Times! I'll eat my hat if Karl Rove is not advising Hillary...or at least they have carefully studied his tactics.

Reality check...so I know I'm not going crazy...yes...it is true (and easily proven) Hillary has used just about every dirty trick in the Republican play book. The Bin Laden reference is especially reprehensible. I would be very upset if Billary stole the election away from Obama like Bush did from Gore.

Will Americans ever learn? I like the idea of living in a democracy...do all of you?

johnd   April 23rd, 2008 2:33 am ET

I don't understand Clinton's argument that she is more electable. She is losing no matter how you count votes. According to every poll Obama does much better with independants (who were not allowed to vote in PA). She has higher negative ratings by far than the either Obama or McCain (translation: many people can't stand her). Obama also does much better with people who have more education. The only way she can win is to tear Obama apart and hope the superdelegates buy this electability argument, but in the process she hands the election to McCain. I also don't understand why the media isn't more direct about her tactics and the impact. Why isn't there a drumbeat about all the lies she tells? Why use words like "inaccurate" instead of lie? Why is there no mention of the issues the republicans will raise that Obama will not (Rose law firm records, McDougal, insider trading profits, etc. ad nauseum)? Is it all just good business for the media?

T Baker   April 23rd, 2008 2:33 am ET

Amazing victory..Guess 12 million could not buy PA.

...guess the entire establishment in PA, plus 30 years of 'name recognition' couldn't help Clinton win more than a 15 delegate increase in her losing numbers......

dan-al   April 23rd, 2008 2:32 am ET

The clinton machine is made of anything goes,the kitchen sink strategy is used as the end to justify the means.only the party hawks can stop her and also Obama's win in indiana and north carolina.

Oklahoman   April 23rd, 2008 2:32 am ET

WE NEED CHANGE AND CHANGE IS FROM YOUNG PEOPLE. tHAT'S WHY SHE WON. ONLY 10% YOUNG PEOPLE HAVE VOTED IN PA. WE ARE TIRED OF NEGATIVITIES.

gem   April 23rd, 2008 2:32 am ET

I am sorry for Hillary's supporters; they actually believe that she can win....Oh yeah, most of them are uneducated people. That's why they don't understand the math involved and that Hillary has no chance.

There is something called, "popular vote" and Obama has it.

So what is the point of discussing.

mike   April 23rd, 2008 2:32 am ET

I echo this thought. Mrs. Clinton is something. I don't think I am alone to give up or turn to GOP if she would be the nominee.

FrankSmith   April 23rd, 2008 2:32 am ET

If positions were to switch, most people in this country would have been telling this "black man" (Obama) who has and continues to work twice as much, to drop out of the race. The pressure would have been greater on him, if he was behind in delegate and popular vote counts and he was running negative ads. The push would have even been stronger if he was running out of money. God is watching our "inner hearts." Some day, we will face Him individually. God bless this nation!

roger711   April 23rd, 2008 2:31 am ET

I think it is shameful the kind of political campaign Clinton has been running. She is behaving like a spoiled child. I think Hillary Clinton is a bully, she's mean, a lier, and as hard as sher tries to be nice. She just isn't nice. I will vote for Obama, but if by some chance Clinton gets the nomination, i will vote for McCain. Not my first choice, but anything will be better then Hillary Clinton!

Pennsylvania Loves Obama!!   April 23rd, 2008 2:29 am ET

We will be donating more money to Obama's campaign. Hillary is an insufferable liar!

OBAMA '08

Proud American   April 23rd, 2008 2:28 am ET

Hillary is only prolonging the inevitable... she can not win no matter how much she tries to smear. NY Times has it right. Obama has been the clear cut winner for 2 months now.

Tonya P.   April 23rd, 2008 2:28 am ET

The NYT is echoing what many of us have been contending for several months. It does not surprise me that Sen. Clinton's play on words ("misspoke!?!") and disenguous promises "to keep it real" have heightened as she gets more desperate. In her heart she knows like we all do that Sen. Obama is destined to win the Democratic nomination. He has already had many successes during this entire campaign (i.e. popular vote, # of states won, fundraising records) to prove this point. I just hope that those misguided enough to support Sen. Clinton right now see the light soon enough to enjoy the feeling as I do in being part of a winning campaign.

GO OBAMA '08 and '12!!!!!!!!!!

Sarah   April 23rd, 2008 2:28 am ET

Yeah, Noah, a 10 point win, down from 20 points a month ago, to the new guy. Real amazing.

Bruce Graham   April 23rd, 2008 2:27 am ET

Election after election we get the same song and dance and elect the same old worn out players. We elected the last president on name recognition and it would be a mistake to elect the next one in the same manner. I don't particularly like Senator Obama but to vote for either Senator McCain or Senator Clinton would be an exercise in futility and just continue the stagnation that has overcome our great country.
It's time for change, real change and you can't get more change then electing Senator Obama.

Lisa in Mesquite, TX   April 23rd, 2008 2:26 am ET

if you lie down with dogs you get up with fleas.

NYT is right in their characterization of the Clinton campaign. It's unfortunate that Barack HAS to go negative to combat the kitchen sink, the stove, the fridge, and microwave being slung at him by HRC.

And what is laughable, is that they take their own negative tactics and use them in the spin against Obama. If they are called out on their "gutter" tactics, they tell him to get out of the gutter the following day. If HRC is called divisive, she'll use the same word against Barack. Hillary said Obama didn't have the experience that she and McCain does, but will spin his comments about all 3 of them being better than Bush.

Enough is enough.

And I commend him for running such an organized campaign that would allow him the coffers to spend 12 million in advertising. This helped to narrow a 26pt lead to only 10pts.

But if HRC does eek out this nomination, where will she get the money to run a competitive campaign in the fall? She has not been able to even pay her campaign's bills. She spends $1.10 for every $1.00 contributed that's negative ROI.

by the by, Obama spends $0.75 for every dollar contributed.

birdie   April 23rd, 2008 2:25 am ET

THE PEOPLE WHO JUST VOTED FOR THE BIGGEST LIAR RUNNING MUST BE PROUD.
WOW SHE PICKED UP A FEW DELEGATS .WAIT TILL YOU PUT HER IN OFFICE AND SEE HOW HER LIES AND HER MIS SPEAKING .BRINGS THIS COUNTRY DOWN AS MUCH AS BUSH HAS.
THEY ARE TWO OF A KIND MONEY GRABBING LIARS.

IM AT THE POINT MC CAIN LOOKS GOOD

Dedrick   April 23rd, 2008 2:25 am ET

If Obama where white, the Dems would have already selected a candidate and it would be Obama. Because he is black there are many, and I mean many, in this country who aren't voting for him. This country has issues that only a minority, black, latino, asian, and help solve.

Lizzy   April 23rd, 2008 2:24 am ET

I don't understand all this "the campaigns are so negative" garbage. Is everybody out there 12 years old or something– can no one remember previous campaigns that were much uglier and there was less complaining about "negativity" then? This campaign has been pretty mild in my opinion.

Obama08   April 23rd, 2008 2:24 am ET

Well people forget that she was booed after 9-11. Now she is claiming that she will defend US. I think Repubs will rip her apart.

kitade   April 23rd, 2008 2:23 am ET

Good job, Hillary!!. Hit me hard, destroy everything on your way to the nomination. You can do it. Operation Political Shock & Awe PA, nothing should be left standing… Use a scatter bomb.
Please vote the Clintons for a third term. They deserve it, it is their birth right. The Clintons and the Bushes will rule us forever. That is our destiny, we do not deserve any better.
Hillary, the Bosnia warrior, the Northern Ireland Peace Motivator, the spouse of the businessman that collected $850,000 from the Colombian government to promote a trade agreement she now rejects and renounces, the spouse of the master grantor of Presidential pardons to felons, aka. Marc Rich Cash for Pardon Scandal, Hillary – our best hope for the future.
After Hillary, we want Jeb Bush. After Jeb Bush, Roger Clinton. After Roger, Jeb bush jr for president. After Jeb jr, the lady we have all been waiting for – CHELSEA CLINTON FOR PRESIDENT
Go Hillary 08….
Concerned Citizens – On behalf of Members of the Clintons and Bushes Forever Network

Diarmid   April 23rd, 2008 2:23 am ET

I'm amazed at the blinders these Clinton supporters are clearly wearing... and not just to their candidate's remarkably dirty and ambition driven politics. Senator Obama has won more votes, mores states, and more delegates- how do they think winning by a handful of delegates in PA changes that? Barack Obama will be the candidate and will be the next President. And best of all, they'll end up being thankful for it.

Annemieke Jordan   April 23rd, 2008 2:22 am ET

At the beginning of the campaign, I was beyond thrilled to be witness to history, an African American and a woman, vying to be President of the United States of America.

Ask me now, and I am terribly upset that what to me was a thrilling campaign to begin with for both candidates, has turned into neverending attacks from one party to the other. I am so turned off by it that I am not sure whether I will vote for either candidate, even though I am a registered Democratic voter.

With the way the Democratic party is handling this, or lack thereof, I am considering giving my vote to John McCain. He must be shaking his head too at how ridiculous the Democratic campaigns have become.

God help us!

John   April 23rd, 2008 2:22 am ET

If I wasn't bitter I am getting there. If this was reversed Obama would have been forced out of the race with Edwards, or at best after Clinton won 11 states in a row.

Tn   April 23rd, 2008 2:22 am ET

to many stupid peoples in USA buying lying from slick hilly, clintons created china and she will sold out permanently,blue color will be always blue

ABC = Anybody But Clinton   April 23rd, 2008 2:22 am ET

CALLING ALL CLINTONITES~~
Enjoy it while you can..........bask in your whopping 6 delegates gained...wow wee........now can somebody do something about those AWFUL PANT SUITS???? Oh that's right....she's in THE RED!!!

IF YA CAN'T RUN A CAMPAIGN....HOW DO YOU EXPECT TO RUN A COUNTRY????

ryan   April 23rd, 2008 2:21 am ET

Hey, Clinton gained 3-4 delegates! Great!

Add around 58 more states to the union and at this rate she can catch up.

The race is over. Simple math, people. Simple math.

Chris in CA   April 23rd, 2008 2:20 am ET

I find it interesting how many people comment on the Ticker about how much they hate internet campaign blogging and how much the media plays favorites whilst all the while commenting on said internet blog and holding completely one-sided and biased opinions.

I'm not one to hold the veil of ignorance over my own eyes. Both candidates have used what I consider to be unethical tactics this campaign, but I'm not about to go vote Green or Red because of it. I will vote for the candidate I view has the potential to lead this country back to a state at which I can describe something as "American" and actually mean something positive. I think people need to stop thinking about how much they hate the process simply because their pick for president gets some bad press. It's a presidential campaign. These things happen. Sniping back and force from supporters on either side doesn't make your candidate any more appealing.

John   April 23rd, 2008 2:20 am ET

If Clinton is given the nomination I want my SSI check sent to me in Canada, and I will vote for McCain before I go.

Max Neely   April 23rd, 2008 2:20 am ET

Hillary has a whopping one term in the Senate to Obama.

Not a huge difference in experience there, but keep parroting all the media's talking points!

OBAMA 08!

Obama is SCARED   April 23rd, 2008 2:20 am ET

Bye Bye Barack.

SAGE NIA!   April 23rd, 2008 2:20 am ET

YAY CLINTONS! SMOKE POT, PLAY THE SAX, AND EAT JEYY BELLIES! ..Bush is gay. HIGH FIVE!

jim h.   April 23rd, 2008 2:19 am ET

well, i usually have only the greatest respect for the nytimes, but we all make mistakes; that normally august entity being no exception.

i wonder which dogs the nytimes thinks hillary should call off? the ones chasing osama bin laden? or do they think "the dogs" are chasing them?

perhaps "they" should just sit down, have a nice cup of hot tea, try to calm down and relax a bit, and retain/regain firmer grip on reality.

experience still does matter and $12 million failed to buy the pennsylvania voters. and yes, virginia, even more "harm" will likely occur before the november election. that seems to be the nature of the political process. the obama campaign, notwithstanding whatever other myths they are laboring under, has hardly proved otherwise. by now i fear i am belaboring the already obvious.

entspeak   April 23rd, 2008 2:19 am ET

Nope, couldn't "buy" PA, but certainly knocked Hillary off her altar there. 10% is half of what she was supposed to win by. She's done nothing but prolong the inevitable.

Mike   April 23rd, 2008 2:19 am ET

For once in my life I want to see a ticket that didn't have the name Bush or Clinton on it.

I will never vote for another Bush or Clinton.

Clinton = more of the same. McCain is better than Clinton.

Teresa, Georgia   April 23rd, 2008 2:19 am ET

Thank you New York Times, for standing up and taking the high road...acknowledging the near destruction of the democratic party – - perpretrated by HRC and her campaign (via fearmongering and negative attacks). Now, if only the Superdelegates would stand up and take the high road and acknowledge that HRC will not serve the interests of the democrats but that she is only motivated by self-interest and ego.

Easy   April 23rd, 2008 2:18 am ET

Her hands are filthy. They've tainted the democratic party's blood. The only thing the Clintons are going to achieve is another 8 years of republican rule. Thanks Bill.

Sean   April 23rd, 2008 2:17 am ET

Of course Clinton was going to win PA, she had the demographics on her side: 58% of voters were women, and 32% of voters were 60+. The fact that she only won by a 10% margin with these kinds of demographics is nothing special on her part, no matter how she'll try to spin it.

Is she going to keep going after she doesn't gain any delegates in Indiana and North Carolina? Polls suggest she's slated to lose ground, which theoretically should end her campaign there.

The comment about the "tactic torn from Karl Rove's playbook" is dead on and was something that needed to be said, I'm glad someone in the media had the guts to say it. It's no coincidence that Obama is leading the college graduate demographic. Think about it.

Tim Rivers   April 23rd, 2008 2:17 am ET

First off, Congrats to Sen. Clinton on her win in PA tonight. I am an Obama supporter but can, like my candidate, offer praise where it is due.

Now, to the issues at hand...He is STILL leading her in every category and she is still mathmateically out of the race but that's for another time. She has DEFINITELY run a more negative campaign and her approval numbers reflect that. How can someone with a 60%+ negative rating unite the country or the party? It just isn't possible. I am certain that the superdelegates will look at that number heavily.

As for her "double-digit win" – most every pundit said that she needed to win by 20-25% for it to make any difference in the final outcome so that has not changed any. She still is lagging WAY behind in pledged delegates and popular vote totals and that is HIGHLY unlikely to change.

As for the outspending Clinton 2 or 3 to 1, that also had the desired effect. He can afford to spend that much, she cannot. Trying to keep pace with him in ad buys has bankrupted her campaign. So she raised $500,000 tonight. That would give her around 9.7 million available for the next primaries and she is still 10.3 million in debt. Again, she is still running in the red, still not paying her bills (the small business people she supposedly stands up for but stiffs instead) and still has to mount another ad offensive from an in debt position. Not a good place for her campaign to be.

As to her foreign policy "experience", as she has so eloquently pointed out many times, travelling to another country does not foreign policy experience make. That point is moot. As First Lady, she negotiated NOTHING. She has NO FOREIGN POLICY EXPERIENCE! PERIOD!

Again, congratulations to Sen. Clinton on her win in PA but, overall, it just delayed the inevitable!

Go Obama!

Scott   April 23rd, 2008 2:17 am ET

I have seen these tactics before... changing the goalposts, inventing new language – 'automatic delegates' (or was that 'homicide bomber'). And if this twisting of rules and grabbing power from the hands of traditional fairness itself is what we reward, then what will be her usage of power in the White House? Will she take Bush's lead on signing statements and Presidential power grabs? So far she seems highly unlikely to be the one who will roll these abuses back.

John   April 23rd, 2008 2:17 am ET

Senator Santorum said it . The people here in Pa are not able to tell the truth. The Governor said it "Whites are not ready to vote for a black " in Pa. Why is it so hard to be honest. If the blacks vote for Clinton they are ok, but if they vote for Obama it's because he is black. Yet I haven't heard one person say that woman voting for Clinton are sexist.

Max Neely   April 23rd, 2008 2:16 am ET

Yeah ok, talk is cheap. Withdraw your endorsement of Clinton, and endorse Obama. You can endorse Clinton all you want, but. He "has what it takes", will be "ready on day one", and *gasp*, he doesn't "use tactics straight outta Karl Rove's playbook".

It's apparent that the New York TImes both wants to criticize and endorse Clinton, sending a mixed message full of mixed signals, and continue to prolong this election (circus).

Drop Clinton, endorse Obama, and let's win the 2008 elections!

Dienekis   April 23rd, 2008 2:15 am ET

The NY Times commentary reflects the gravity of the disappointment that the recent direction of the Democratic campaign has caused. Considering that the paper criticizes both candidates, and primarily the very candidate it has endorsed, just understresses this point.

These elections are about putting a stop to and reverting the damage that 8 years of irresponsible, divisive and egocentric policies have inflicted on this country. Failing to keep the focus on that, and more disturbingly, employing campaign tactics that are based on the same elements that characterize those policies, may only be perceived as a negative omen for the future of this country.

andy   April 23rd, 2008 2:15 am ET

Do the majority of the people in PA really deserve Obama? Unfortunately, they don't. Too bad for them.

seah   April 23rd, 2008 2:15 am ET

Obama has been negative and the worse and dirty playing canidate since the primaries began. They let him slide, the whole time. Afraid of the race card.

He condemned and blamed the government, Bush, McCain and Hillary, every day of his campaign, for everything wrong in the world.
His blame and shame games was endless, between the propaganda, the lies, twisted facts, stories he made up.

What has' t the man lied about? Geesh he lied on his family, everyone of his friends, all caught on the media.

The media has given him the most favorable coverage, headlines and discussion. When some of the stuff, they would of ripped the other canidates apart for.

Hillary is like a Like a breath of fresh air, compared to what every one has seen of Obama.

Only thing it can be is the High power democrats and the DNC playing god again and political fixers. putting on the pressure.

Or the Media is running scare of someone.Do they think the Public is stupid?

Clinton has been positive for the Democratic Party and the Country.

medi   April 23rd, 2008 2:15 am ET

Hillary is very destructive and decisive person. Her husband was a president and she wants to be the next president; however, she trying to win by any means. What greedy person she is.

mlb   April 23rd, 2008 2:14 am ET

Oh, please... If PA has "spoken," then what they've said is that they are divided. 3 delegates??!! Obama is still clearly the candidate of choice for the NATION. Let's stop the waste of millions of $$$ already.

Math 101   April 23rd, 2008 2:14 am ET

Mrs Clinton did better than expected and deserves her 15 delegate net gain but it only closes the race down to a 155 delegate lead by Obama. Well at the very least she has bought herself a few more weeks of legitimate campaigning until the next contest.

Marie Clinton   April 23rd, 2008 2:13 am ET

Let them eat Waffle!

Darnette   April 23rd, 2008 2:13 am ET

Clinton 's tactics shows that she is selfish and would do anything to win versus putting the best interest of the entire USA above her own.

Paul   April 23rd, 2008 2:13 am ET

You guys aren't paying attention to what is happening...

Clinton was ahead by TWENTY POINTS in Penn after Ohio. Since then, Obama cut her lead by TEN PERCENTAGE POINTS!

That's over 100,000 people in Pennsylvania changing their vote from Hillary to Obama in a MONTH.

It is OVER, there is no possible way that Hillary can win the election based on the numbers.

Christopher Graham   April 23rd, 2008 2:13 am ET

It's very easy for the New York Times to sit in judgement and snipe from their thrones of decency when the world falls down around our ears...

I, for one, am against doing nothing, and I believe that Hillary will at least ATTEMPT to right this ship that is our country,,,,

Voters have voted out of fear since the days of Jefferson and Lincoln, so why shouldn't other candidates reap those benefits? Let us not pretend that politics is a clean and just racket. Not all of us can polish our ivory towers of with the elegance of language as we stand safely behind the "paper of record". Perhaps one of you should pick up a weapon that isn't a pen....

1 of Thee Many   April 23rd, 2008 2:13 am ET

Congratulations to all of the over 1 million Obama voters in PA who came out to effectively blunt the unoriginal, non-inspiring, bluster & spin that the Clinton campaign is putting on her so-called win. Like a closing time drunk who is holding out false hope that she might get picked up at closing time by Mr. Right, she'll soon be forced to wake up to the undeniable fact that it's time to give it up and face reality...and so will her supporters. Hey, live it up "Queen of Denial". Might as well. The end of nearly a quarter of a century of either a Bush or a Clinton in the White House is at hand. New York Times; you are back in being relevant once again.

Marianne   April 23rd, 2008 2:13 am ET

Why isn't anyone mentioning that Feds are already starting to investigate the Clintons again for multiple scandals? The kitchen sink tactic just does not apply to Barrack Obama but to her participation in all politics. She has donated 5 mil to her campaign, he has accepted millions from Dubai and Communist China – what will all the special interests expect in return once his wife is in the White House? Can someone mention the laundry list of investigations that our tax payer dollars will pay for if they get anywhere near the White House again? What happened last time a Clinton was in the White House – how much did the taxpayer pay to prosecute?

Marco Valdez   April 23rd, 2008 2:12 am ET

Whatever the NY Times has decided to publish about senator Clinton at this point is moot. The fact remains that although she won PA, and by approximately 10%, mathematically, she cannot win the nomination, unless Obama completely screws up the rest of the way. His delegate lead is too far ahead for her to catch up. She must win at least 60% of each of the remaining states to break even with Obama, in terms of pledged delegate counts and convince the majority of superdelegates to back her as well to even clinch or have a hope of clinching the nomination. The fact remains that while Clinton deserves all the credit in the world for winning tonight, numerically, unless Obama makes MAJOR gaffes along the way, she really has no chance to win. Plain and simple

Disenfranchised GOP Guy   April 23rd, 2008 2:12 am ET

Only the democrats could screw up this election. I don't think they could take the White House back even if the GOP sold Alaska back to the Russians for $7.2 Million (PLEASE no one suggest this to W as he might do it!).

Clint   April 23rd, 2008 2:11 am ET

To “Bill W – PA” – wow, you are why so many people think Obama is elite (“sorry that so many in my state are so stupid”). He seemed pretty negative in some of his “I lost Pennsylvania” speech tonight... if he can’t take Hillary’s punches then there is no way he can win against the Republican machine. No way! GO HILLARY!!!!

Tom,des moines   April 23rd, 2008 2:11 am ET

Shut the hell up NYT! Hillary won sucker!

Laughing   April 23rd, 2008 2:10 am ET

Pretty silly whining from the Times.

whites.dudes.4.obama08   April 23rd, 2008 2:09 am ET

i just cant wait for the racial fight in this country again somethings realy going on ! why the medias r not showing the trhut ? its soo sad about those stupids journalists on air but i guaranti usa somethings coming up very soon !

KM   April 23rd, 2008 2:09 am ET

I think obama supporters should take the defeat sportingly and just shut up. they think only they can think and rest of PA consists of fools.. enough of crying kids..

BHO   April 23rd, 2008 2:09 am ET

Winning at Home is not unusual but Clinton used many uncivilised propagandas.

What was she trying by showing OSAMA BIN LADEN whose family is very close to Bush family?

Further she cannot bridge the gap between Obama and her in the matter of delegates even she win other states.

She wastes others money to satisfy herslef and never get the nomination to contest in the general election.

If she realy care about the people, she must leave the race and support Obama.!

F Hitlery   April 23rd, 2008 2:08 am ET

This is the beginning of the end for Obama. Hillary will become the nominee and the next president. It is inevitable by the will of GOD himself. She is GOD's chosen one and will fulfill her destiny.

T Paine - w/ common sense   April 23rd, 2008 2:08 am ET

Let's see California, Penn, NY, New Jersey, Texas, Florida, did I miss a big State.... If this was a winner take all Hillary would be winning right now... Obama speaks of every vote counts but those in Florida... Oh yeah they didn't vote for him. When Michigan legislators proposed a revote Obamas supporters, the state legislators in Michigan's Legislature, killed it...The media is so biased against Hillary its a joke... She wins bigs and on their Headline she just survives not that she won BIG... One question – why the media doesn't discuss that Obama while being chairman on the Afghanistan subcommittee has never called for an oversight investigation or review yet the Taliban have taken stronger hold and Al Qaeda are strong in the borders of Pakistan and Afghanistan. When people talk of racism – isn't racist when one votes based on race. So my 2nd question – Are Blacks voting for Obama because he's Black or for what he stands for? Because if they are voting for Obama because he is Black then they are racists (no different then the Old Dixie South of White only Politics) and contrary what MLK envisioned. But when all said and done – Obama / Clinton or Clinton / Obama – one is president for first 4 years and then trade positions – finished. Or Flip a coin!!!!

Ed   April 23rd, 2008 2:08 am ET

why is it that people who support Clinton are talking like this is the biggest political victory of all time but yet she only will probably gain about what, 7-8 delegates? which means instead of being behind by 144 she'll only be behind by 138?

he is still ahead in delegates, and honestly that is the only math that matters in the end is the DELEGATE COUNT!!!!!

Dan   April 23rd, 2008 2:08 am ET

D-Stevenson....

Acually she did not win by double digits. Do the math.

Congrats to HRC, but not enough. Sorry. If to you this is your day, then have it because it will end soon.

Jerry   April 23rd, 2008 2:08 am ET

Hurray for the New York Times!!! At least some see the Billary crowd for what they are – pure political trash. Time for a change and McCain is just a lost soul with his economic 'package' and 100 year war. My vote remains with'The Man', Barrack!!!

Lisa   April 23rd, 2008 2:07 am ET

This woman, Hillary Clinton represents what the face of old, divisive, misleading politics looks like. Very attractive.....huh...and we are suppose to have four years of this nonsense. People wake up. Bush was enough, already.

tiff   April 23rd, 2008 2:07 am ET

I said i would vote whatever candidate won the dem nomination but senator clinton is making it very hard. I think she will do anything. "oh my goodness"

DCER   April 23rd, 2008 2:07 am ET

OH FU! NY TIMES GIVE ME A BLODDY SHIRT BREAK!!!!!!!

Jesse   April 23rd, 2008 2:06 am ET

~~~

The last straw for me is the Bush style TV ads that Clinton put out with Pearl Harbour, 911, and Bin Laden

This is it... if the party doesn't get rid of this left over BITTER women who will stop at nothing to win... then I and I'm sure many others will be gone from this party!

Clinton has LIED, CHEATED and NEGATIVE CAMPAIGNED her way to victory and it makes me sick!

~~~

I wonder what would have happened if someone ran ads with Monica and a cigar... or maybe one of the many scams the Clintons' have tried to pull ... or maybe her in a free trade meeting etc

Stewart   April 23rd, 2008 2:05 am ET

Hillary Clinton will never be the nominee. It just ain't going to happen. Obama will be the next president, much to the chagrin of the racist blue collar folks that dominate rural parts of this country. She should have won by 20% and she couldn't.

12 million well spent. I'll be sending Obama some more $$ next week. Clinton is a DINO and would never get a penny from me.

Steve   April 23rd, 2008 2:05 am ET

Wait a minute. HIllary lost her 20 POINT LEAD! Who cares if she won Penn. Obama has more delegates, more popular vote, soon to be more superdelegates, more money, must i go on? He beats her in EVERY CATEGORY. How in the world you can you make an argument for Hillary? The NYTimes Finally hit the nail on the coffin.

Can Clinton fans at least concede this point. If (and she will) Hillary loses Indiana and North Carolina. Can she drop out of the race then? There will be be a .05% chance of her getting the nomination.

Let me know. Thanks

Persio, NY   April 23rd, 2008 2:04 am ET

Oh but lying to the voters, deceiving, condescending his way to a win and turning negative towards the last few weeks doesn't count? I think so and that's what Obama has done. It's even bigger news this coming from the guy who preaches hope and change, and who is talking about new politics without negativity and the unifier. Always trying to spin a Hillary win to look like she lost.................RISE HILLARY RISE

caloh   April 23rd, 2008 2:03 am ET

I congratulate the New York Times on an honest dipiction of the Clinton campaign. Yeah, Obama could slam her on a number of issues that the republicans could dismantle her campaign with,but this time, I dont think Bill or Hillary can dig themselves out of the hole that they have dug themselves into. Barack Obama is going to be our next president, and it is time for the democratic party and all of America to realize we have an opportunity for real change.

Hazel , an American in London   April 23rd, 2008 2:01 am ET

The New York Times is right – Hillary represents more of the same old tired politics of the 20th century. We've had enough of these fake hypocritical politicians.

Obama is the best chance the USA has to build a stronger future. He is a 21st century politician and somebody that we can believe in. Obama will be the next President.

Wake up America!   April 23rd, 2008 2:01 am ET

I don't see what the big whoop is. She netted 6 six delegates in a state that is supposed to be her stronghold. This is an accomplishment? According to the polls she did best among older, white and those with less than a college education. Not exactly a rallying cry folks. She did well amongst stupid old racists? This is not a good thing...no matter how you try to spin it.

Obama chopped her lead in the state from 30 pts to 10....in a state tailor made for her. She was supposed to win. The Obama campaign always knew this to be the case. The 6 delegates she got doesn't begin to put a dent in his lead.

NY Times hit the nail on the head. She is negative. And she's looking more like a Republican every day. Now she's talking "obliteration" of another country while we are embroiled in two wars. That's reckless to the point of insanity. Are Hillary's supporters so desperate for a woman president that they don't care what direction she will lead our country into? She's showing the only real difference between her and McCain is genitalia. Wake up.

jackie   April 23rd, 2008 2:01 am ET

this is a racism country why you expect . we all have to died one day white or black show me how what youre are . he is qualified as hillary . what ever people do in life wait you will pay for it . if the replublica people try to kill obama tell me are good you are fronm 2004 to 2008

Stew   April 23rd, 2008 2:01 am ET

Yeah this doesn't seem like that much of a win. This is like watching the tour de france with a biker won a couple of the sprints but has no hope of the yellow jersey this late in the race.

JW   April 23rd, 2008 2:00 am ET

Delegates 1694>1556

The country has spoken! Pennsylvania is not America, it is a very small subset. Let's face it, when a women (women make up 50.7% of US population) can not beat out an African-American (blacks make up 13.4% of US population), she is clearly an inferior candidate. Don't confuse a minor victory with a change in sentiment for the American voters. Despite Ex-President Bill Clinton using all of his political influence, his wife still remains in second place. The last 3 weeks has been a complete waste of money for the Democratic Party and is creating a fractioned party. The only person to thank is Hillary Clinton and her blind ambition. Of course, she can say now that she lost the nomination by 6 less delegates (0.34% of Obama's total) than before the Penn Primary.

Obama for President!

Indiana & NC for Obama   April 23rd, 2008 2:00 am ET

Obama did amazing tonight. The $12 million was worth it. Hillary has been campaigning for 16 years and she only got 55% of the vote. Obama in six weeks got 45% of the vote. Out of 2.2 million votes Obama came away with over 1 million. He has large support in every demographic. Hillary needs to show good judgement by dropping out, stop wasting time and money by asking people to give to a losing campaign.

allison   April 23rd, 2008 1:59 am ET

Impressive! Imazing that she has the gut to face her toughest life critics, Richard Scaiffe, and change his mind in a 1-hour interview to gain his endorsement. Obama could handle debate questions?
He rather meet the president of Iran than face tough critics like FOX.

An amazing contrast, the choice is clear! And for me, it is really between the Hillary and McCain!

Kim   April 23rd, 2008 1:59 am ET

To be fair, she has been running an extremely negative campaign lately. So whether you are for her or not, you must admit that. And yes, Obama has been stooping to that level as well, all though not as much as Clinton. Whether you are for Obama, Clinton, or neither, one thing is for sure...they need to stop the negative campaigning and talk about the real issues.

Anonymous   April 23rd, 2008 1:59 am ET

Oh right but lying, deceiving the voters, showing superiority towards others, condescending his way to the nomination doesn't count? Obama has done all that plus more. He will say anything to win. Someone who's running a clean campaign of change and hope, the type of campaign that wants to clean the white house, meanwhile since he wanted to win so bad in PA he turned negative towards the last few weeks. Doesn't that hurt his party and his campaign of change, hope and new politics more?NYT wants to be in the news by going against the one they endorsed.

Kurt   April 23rd, 2008 1:58 am ET

The media is bias towards Obama. The NYT is no exception. Their op-eds are very anti-Clinton (except Krugman). Obama is MORE negative than Clinton. He played the race card and he is dividing democrats on healthcare and Iraq! He plays nice in front of the CAMERA. He is DIRTY

Tobias   April 23rd, 2008 1:58 am ET

I'm sensing bittergate.

noemi in los angeles   April 23rd, 2008 1:58 am ET

Clinton's camp said something like, "If after spending 3-to-1 in PA...why hasn't he closed the deal??"........... well, my response: "Hillary, I bet you thought this election was your entitlement. People knew you since the 90s, you are a household name. Barack just rose up from the ground, nobody knew who he was. Why haven't you closed the deal yet??"

OBAMA... THE ONLY CHOICE FOR THE SURVIVAL OF AMERICA.

Thank you.

J.C.   April 23rd, 2008 1:58 am ET

While a resident of NJ, but working in PA, I have been privileged to see Obama's campaign very explicitly. Clinton has waited and chosen to campaign at just the right moment, in a positive manner. Obama's adds, specifically on the radio almost heard every 10 minutes and even simultaneously on several stations, have been abrasive and off-putting. I am glad Hillary found the support without the money!

Chris   April 23rd, 2008 1:58 am ET

ALL THE WAY HILLARY!

Obama had to spend a lot of money because he need to kill the 30% lead hillary had 6 weeks ago. Was he successful?Heck Yeah. Lets see if Hillary can do that for North Carolina.

One thing clear about you and other Hillary supporters is that, it is not about the state, it is about the delegates and the win today, did not change anything. Even if she narrowly wins Indiana, (which most likely she will lose), she cannot catch up to Obama. Obama is way far ahead. He can take a vacation and he will still win the nomination.

How many delegates did Hillary gain today? Please tell me, Hillary's supporters.

JCinLA   April 23rd, 2008 1:58 am ET

Yea! Hillary WON, but what.....really? Celebrate while you can because you will be sitting home crying your eyes out come June 3. Hillary anounces the end of her campaign and admits her defeat to Obama. Then as Democrats we can go forth and kick some McCain butt and retake the White House.

X-MAN   April 23rd, 2008 1:57 am ET

Is Western Pa. that naive. Western Pa. seems to lack the ability to have discernment when it comes to character, decency, and genuine authenticy of a man (Obama). Or is it some other issues Western Pa. has (skin color). In 2008 Western Pa. has to be kidding or very delusional.

suzanne   April 23rd, 2008 1:57 am ET

And, as a woman, I would like to know how come Senator Obama is called Senator Obama, and Senator Clinton is constantly called "she" or "her"? David Gergen, who I used to think was so level, does this all the time. As do many other of you lovely, fair people.

Raphael Houston Tx   April 23rd, 2008 1:57 am ET

NY TIMES headlines should be:

Obama was Thumped in Pennsylvania even though he out spent Hillary 3 to 1 and campaigned for 6 weeks.

Texas,Ohio, Pennsylvania. three HUGE wins in a row..

Go Hillary

Joseph   April 23rd, 2008 1:56 am ET

To SLO Bear – You stopped buying from the NY Times just because they supported another candidate? How petty and pathetic.

Shametown, PA   April 23rd, 2008 1:56 am ET

Good luck Pennsylvania. Your state is crumbling faster than you can say "uneducated backwoods gun-toting bible-thumpers." Your vote hastens that decline and solidifies your image as blue-collar morons.

Jeremy   April 23rd, 2008 1:55 am ET

The Times is right about negativity hurting the party. The mud that was flung in Pennsylvania moves me to despair the state of the Democratic Party.

And nobody should ever have to fight tooth and nail for a primary- to waste so many resources just to get a nominee is disgraceful, and demonstrates just how large a divide there is in our own ranks.

Linda Smith   April 23rd, 2008 1:55 am ET

It is not Senator Clinton who is negative but, rather, the New York Times.

gnome   April 23rd, 2008 1:55 am ET

Listen to yourselves!
The Democratic Party is being ripped apart at the seams, and all you can think of is "$12 million didn't buy PA".

You will all be VERY shameful when the Repugnicans inaugurate McCain in January 2009, because they will tear Hilary to shreds in the general, if she gets nominated. Why do you think Richard Mellon Scaife endorsed her?

Benjamin   April 23rd, 2008 1:54 am ET

don't forget that there was a gap of nearly 20% and now it shrinked to 8.6% (regarding to the PA Department of State)

Erik   April 23rd, 2008 1:54 am ET

A little over 2 months ago, The New York Times endorsed Hillary Clinton's candidacy. Today, it seems as if they are un-endorsing Hillary Clinton's candidacy. When was the last time a paper did THAT? Pretty heady stuff. Let's remember, this is her home state paper. It's one of the few major newspapers to have supported her candidacy.

Raphael Houston Tx   April 23rd, 2008 1:54 am ET

This should be the NY times headlines:
"Obama was Thumped in Pennsylvania even though he outspent Hillary 3 to 1 and campaigned for 6 weeks."

Texas- Ohio-Pennsylvania: Three HUGE wins in a row.

Lets add up the electoral votes that count. Obama only wins states where it does not matter.

Go Hillary

Avis, Richton Park, IL   April 23rd, 2008 1:54 am ET

The New York Times endorsed Hillary Clinton and they still slamed her. This isn't bias, this is the media finally telling the truth!

No one should be surprised Hillary won PA. There are some parts of PA that would just not vote for a black man, even though he's white too.

The only surprise to me was the fact that Barack was able to cut her lead by over 20 points down to 10 points. Hillary was ahead in PA by over 30 points.

Barack will continue to win other states and then the nomination, so I'm not worried about that. I am worried that people will still vote for someone who's dishonest and willing to twist words to win (ABC debate). And if their able to do that, then we'll end up with another Bush like president and we haven't learned a thing!

LEJOY   April 23rd, 2008 1:54 am ET

DESPERADO. YES, SHE MUST WIN AT ALL COST. MICHAEVELLI. THAT'S WHAT SHE IS. I DON'T REALLY CARE IF SHE GOES BACK INTO THE WHITE HOUSE. SHE'S NOT GOING TO BE MY PRESIDENT. SIMPLY GETS ON MY NERVES. HOW POWER-HUNGRY CAN THIS FAMILY GET? WHO WILL BE THE NEXT PRESIDENT AFTER HER? I GUESS, HER DAUGHTER WILL RUN IN 2016.

Jodie - Canada   April 23rd, 2008 1:53 am ET

I don't think it matters whether or not Clinton won tonight. As usual, Clinton and her advisers are thinking on the fly and not planning ahead.

She is going to keep campaigning and fighting for the Michigan and Florida Deleagtes to be seated. Truth be told if they are seated, the likelyhood that the Democratic party is going to let their delegates affect the ultimate outcome of the race is almost nil (if they are seated, they will be seated in at most, a 60-40 split). If they are seated, it is going to give Obama the number of delegates he needs to win the race anyways.

Hotred   April 23rd, 2008 1:53 am ET

p.s. since when is obama "positive"? the fact that he uses negative attacks while expounding against them in his speeches, shows what a hypocrite he is.

Bob   April 23rd, 2008 1:53 am ET

Remember that the NY Times endorsed Clinton. If your home town paper that endorsed you is telling you stop the negative attacks, you might want to pay attention.

NO-CLINTON   April 23rd, 2008 1:53 am ET

No to negativity
No to fearmongering
No to lies
No to spin
No to mismanagement of Campaign money

Our Founding Fathers built this country based on the principle of Honesty, Truthfulness, Justice and Honor. And not based on spin.

OBAMA '08 & '12

fay   April 23rd, 2008 1:52 am ET

she won Penn only by going negative. Obama has millions of stuff to throw at her but he just doesn't want to harm the party. After all what she did she win? he's still the frontrunner and she will never catch him up. All penn officials were campaigning for her so, it was not surprising to win. Obama also won 10% of her 20% lead.

Ferguson Smattering   April 23rd, 2008 1:52 am ET

Clinton 'should' have won Pennsylvania by a landslide... but she didn't. Obama made inroads into most of the voter groupings, and stayed very much alive. The negativity Clinton espouses leads to a headstrong but pyrrhic advantage for a candidate with as much baggage as she carries...

Every bit of Hillary's 'push' makes Obama stronger and more insulated.

She could learn a lot from him.

A Group of Asian American   April 23rd, 2008 1:51 am ET

I am so so so happy. Go Hillary Go!!
We all support you, we have faith in you. no mattter how Media try to pull you down. How many Obama supporters try to paint you as a liar.
We knew you will be our good president. Go Hillary Go!!!

peaceful   April 23rd, 2008 1:51 am ET

Hillary used 911 and Bin Laden to scare up votes. Pennsylvania fell for it. The rest of the country won't.

Peter Damoah-Afari   April 23rd, 2008 1:51 am ET

The fact remains that Obama is still the choice; he got about the same delegates as Hillary in PA. We should also not forget about the fact that, the so-called blue-collar voters don't form any meaningful number in the remaining contests and Hillary Clinton is going to face the sounds in the coming weeks. Finally, it is not only blacks that vote for their candidate, whites also did the same yesterday....so the racial politics is not attributed to only blacks.

Andrew   April 23rd, 2008 1:51 am ET

The 'Times' should consider retracting its endorsement. The twisted personality and the dishonesty shown by Senator Clinton (and her husband) can't possibly be what the 'Times' anticipated when it endorsed her candidacy.

Hotred   April 23rd, 2008 1:51 am ET

wow. why does the press insist on painting clinton as the loser after every victory? i understand why obama does, and i guess his posse need to as well.

if you look at the primary map the only states that obama won were some square states in the middle of the country, lousiana, mississippi and alabama..um...not impressive. and hardly representative of what the country wants.

Marc PDX   April 23rd, 2008 1:51 am ET

What a quandry! The inexperienced Obama has now driven off his map of the known political world and appears to be driving on a flat tire. And now, with a blowout victory in Pennsylvania, the unlikeable and truth-challenged Billary appears to be the more likely candidate to defeat McCain in November. But she's too far behind to catch up. What to do? What to do?

Cindy t   April 23rd, 2008 1:50 am ET

Obama ROCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

W. J. Godfrey   April 23rd, 2008 1:50 am ET

Willy from Canada:

As I have said before, if the Democrats want to win then, Clinton is the only choice!

mike   April 23rd, 2008 1:49 am ET

YES,
OBAMA SPENT 12 MILLION ON ADS, NOT TO WIN BUT TO BANKRUPT HER. AND IT WORKED!!!. SHE SPENT ALL HER MONEY EVEN IF TONITE SHE GETS 4 MILLION IN DONATIONS, SHE STILL OWES MARK PENN 5 MILLION AND ANOTHER 4 MILLION IN UNPAID BILLS!!!

CAN'T PUT FUEL IN THE PLANE W/O ANY MONEY, DEAREE!!!

Pasnat   April 23rd, 2008 1:49 am ET

I'm glad the NY Times called her on this. She's been fighting dirty and has the look of desperation about her. I can just imagine her camp jumping up and down and foaming at the mouth every time Obama says something they can twist into an attack point.

Do they really think that Obama hates America and strictly follows the teaching of his lunatic fringe priest?

Do they really think Obama is out of touch with and looks down on the common person?

Do they really think Clinton has the type of experience that would give her the edge over Obama in the event of a national emergency?

No, they don't, but they sure fall all over themselves to press their misguided points.

Shame on Hillary for following their terrible advice.

ash   April 23rd, 2008 1:48 am ET

all the ad spend in the world won't convince racists to change their minds

Marc-Eugene, Oregon   April 23rd, 2008 1:48 am ET

I don't buy they argument that Obama should have done better because he outspent the Clinton Campaign 3 to 1. She had most of the democratic political establishment backing her beginning with Governor Ed Randell. Having all those democratic politicians out pounding the pavement for her more than made up for the advertising money he spent.

X-MAN   April 23rd, 2008 1:48 am ET

Lets keep it real, Pennsylvania primary results according to the demographics was based on racism. Western Pa. is sheep like and should read a book or two. Their vote was based on skin color and nothing else. The older voters should be a little more openmided. Their vote will hurt themselves in the long run. Obama programs really benefited them more so than Hillary. The freeworld needs Obama to bring about some peace to the earth. Western Pa. is not ready for an African American president.

Jerome, FL   April 23rd, 2008 1:48 am ET

Congrats to Hillary, but she will only gain a few delegates maybe 10. People please wake up! The republicans are backing her everywhere they can, now, because they know who they want to run against. And we know they won't cross over for her in November, so I think Dems need to wake up and smell the coffee, the longer this takes the worse it if for the Democratic party, Hillatry is only destroying the party and making it "less able" to defeat McCain in Nov. Look at her negatives, she is the one motivation the Republicans need in November because they know old John is a Bob Dole in waiting.

By the way how is she more electable when she cannot even win more delegates in her own party when she had 8 years to plan? Super delegates will see right through this.

WAKE UP!!!!!

OBAMA 08!

Jesse   April 23rd, 2008 1:47 am ET

let me get this straight: Hilary shows that she's tough (Iran, nuclear war, Israel) and Barack criticizes her for empty words and hollow talk. Meanwhile, he threatens to invade Pakistan, and half the Abercrombie-and-Fitch wearing college students set their bongs aside to vote for him. I'm black, a man, and a Democrat, and I think the double standard is ridiculous. At least Hilary has done something in her career.

Cha   April 23rd, 2008 1:47 am ET

If Hillary squanders her money and campaign, whose fault is it.
If she had money she would spend too.

Lowry Martin, II   April 23rd, 2008 1:47 am ET

The great irony of this political campaign is the short memory of the American public who does not call to task the media that makes these kind of "objective", "fair", and "transparent" comments. An editorial article does not claim objectivity, but CNN does. How many times tonight did I hear about the "negative" campaigning of Clinton, but I remember in the early stages of the campaign talking about how Obama was cutting into Clinton's front-run status. Ironically, no one really chastised or complained about Obama using that tactic in the media. The disingenuous was the media covers these two candidates has still not cinched the nomination for Obama.

Rohit Singh   April 23rd, 2008 1:47 am ET

Stop the Drama, Vote Obama

Kathleen   April 23rd, 2008 1:46 am ET

As an ex-New Yorker and an avid reader of the New York Times I am appalled by this reaction – Shame on you NYT...thought you and your board knew how to stay out of the sensationalist, sexist and negative media whirlwind.
Senator Clinton has no choice but to send a "negative" message because she knows better than anyone that there is NO way that Senator Obama could ever hope to beat Senator McCain....and that she by far has the best chance of doing so and bringing legitimate and realistic change to this country. Or maybe you are calling her out on the carpet because "nice ladies" shouldn't play dirty???
And by the way, has anyone asked Obama lately where he gets 12 million dollars to spend on ads if his largest group of supporters are the "youth" of America – either they are all trust fund babies or the money is coming from somewhere else....and where is that???

mark   April 23rd, 2008 1:46 am ET

What does this change?? Hillary was always expected to win Penn...exit polls show even people who voted for her believe that Obama will win the nomination...this was her last chance to change the race and she only got a few more delegates, sorry but it's over for her....

Maria   April 23rd, 2008 1:46 am ET

why does the media do this? She won. The majority of voters in PA chose Hillary. Report the facts and stop interjection your opinions.. YOU ARE THE JOURNALISTS... stick to facts, report to the people as to what is going on..STOP SPINNING everything... Even Obama scratching his face was getting spinned.. I think it is time for Americans to turn off the cable news stations..

I am starting to think of cable news as the gossip monger who spins reality.. Almost turning everyday events into spanish Novelas!

Neutral   April 23rd, 2008 1:46 am ET

Obama spent OBSCENE amount of money in PA and STILL LOSE!!

What does it say about Obama? HE IS UNELECTABLE!

Nathan from Texas   April 23rd, 2008 1:46 am ET

"DOUBLE DIGITS DOES It" ? She didn't win by double digits, she won by 9.4%.

Go play around with the CNN delegate calculator that they have, you'll see that what she actually needed was a 40 point spread.

Actually, she could have won every single vote in pennsylvania and she'd still have been behind in pledged delegates. So she still doesn't stand a chance at winning this.

Obama '08!

whoa!   April 23rd, 2008 1:46 am ET

Clinton now leads in popular vote, if FL and MI are counted:

Popular Vote (w/FL & MI)**, as follows

Obama has 14,954,773 or 46.9%

Clinton has 15,076,842 or 47.2%

WHOA!!!! The game has changed!

Robert - New Orleans   April 23rd, 2008 1:45 am ET

Hillary carried a 9.4% lead in Pennsylvania. Not bad, but hardly a dent in Obama's lead and certainly not in the double digits as some claim.

solomon Bim   April 23rd, 2008 1:45 am ET

It has gotten too negative. I have to say that I see more of it coming from the Clinton side. If she wins this way, as an independent who was leaning towards the Democrats, I will just not vote, rather than reward her for her recent tactics.

Demetrius   April 23rd, 2008 1:45 am ET

Obama outspends Hillary BECAUSE HE HAS THE MONEY. (Hillary is in DEBT up to her eyeballs!) Obama has the money because he has the supporters. Obama has supporters because he has the best ideas and an inspirational vision. Hillary has fear and ignorance. I'm tired of fear and ignorance.

Ito, Yokosuka Japan   April 23rd, 2008 1:45 am ET

Go away Ralph Nader...er...I mean...Hillary Clinton. I'm running out of barf bags.

Kitty, Denver, CO.   April 23rd, 2008 1:45 am ET

Perhaps too little, too late. Yet, better late than never!

nmt   April 23rd, 2008 1:44 am ET

WHY DOES THE MEDIA THINK AMERICANS ARE SO SO STUPID...THE WHOLE WORLD KNEW HILARY, RIGHT FROM 1990'S,
OBAMA WAS A NEW FACE,I ONLY GOT TO KNOW HIM IN JANUARY THIS YEAR!!! OBVIOUSLY HE HAD TO OUTSPEND HILARY TO BE KNOWN...ACTUALLY OBAMA CUT HILARY'S 25% ADVANTAGE, BY 15 POINTS......GOOD WORK OBAMA...KEEP UP THE GOOD FIGHT...!!!!

suzanne   April 23rd, 2008 1:44 am ET

Not all of us Democrats are "useful idiots". We are not all leftists or fanatical liberals, we just want what's right and intelligent and fair and we want justice. I was a reluctant Republican until 1999. The biggest loser in this campaign is the Media Machine. Tim Russert no more. Wolf Blitzer no more. All those I admired and looked forward to watching are just now to me no more than propaganda puppets. That's right: PROPAGANDA. Shame and disgrace you are! Good luck with your Senator Obama agenda – with you and co-horts, I'm sure you will reach your goal, mein comrade. What happened to journalism?

Shanetti   April 23rd, 2008 1:44 am ET

Most analyst talked as if Clinton was the underdog. She was predicted at one time to be 25 points ahead of Obama. Is this really a big win, when the state was listed to be a win for her? The real question is how did Clinton lose a 25 point lead.

McMillan Osahene   April 23rd, 2008 1:44 am ET

She is taking her attacks tactics and antics from the arsenal of the ruthlessly pernicious Republicans and the smart and good Democrats should start disowning her for what she truly is – a typical self-serving politician who will say and do anything for the sake of power and personal ambition

Smokin' Joe   April 23rd, 2008 1:43 am ET

It should be painfully obvious to Democrats now just who is actually running things in their little corner of the world.

You don't have to like it; any more than conservatives should for who is acting on their behalf.

Of course, Al Smith laid it all out in 1936. It's too bad no one listened.

Jenny, IN   April 23rd, 2008 1:43 am ET

I think it's time Ms. Clinton just leave the race as this PA primary didn't change anything. It looks like PA doesn't wanna change to something better then the same old faces. I can't believe PA people believe this woman who lied so many times and said she misspoke about sniper fire. How could someone misspoke on something like that for weeks and brag about it.

I am an independent voter who mostly have voted republican, but this year I might vote democrat only if Obama is the nominee. Republicans would be so happy to fight an election against Hillary as she has so many flaws and lies that will come back and haunt democrats.

Thanks democrats!!

amy   April 23rd, 2008 1:43 am ET

Her last ad is what made her win. People were scared and voted for her. For someone who claims she wants to liberate the country from depression,fear and from a war, I think its a wrong tactic.As a matter of fact, she released the ad on the eve of the primary, leaving noone the chance to argue. I think Peter Paul would agree with me that Clinton is very disingenuous, very dishonest and very very republican. She is showing no restraint and there is just no way she is going to win my vote.

Nick   April 23rd, 2008 1:43 am ET

Bill, it's alright. Hillary can't win anyway... which is good. It's time for a change.

Jot   April 23rd, 2008 1:41 am ET

NY times where is the article you wrote about John McCaim? You have always written things that you later regrate. Be ready to regrate this one too.

NJ Voter   April 23rd, 2008 1:41 am ET

I am sick of the media always trying to drag Hillary down. Obama would be nowhere if it wasn't for the media always covering for him at the expense of the American public. We need to know what Obama is all about and it seems the more that comes out the more alarming he is. It seems no matter who I talk to they feel the same way.

Hillary is an amazing candidate, and she will make an amazing President. I could never vote for Obama.

dwho   April 23rd, 2008 1:41 am ET

A government OF the Bush's family, BY the Clintons' family and For the Clintons and Bush's families.

There is no other experienced person/candidate to lead this nation in time of crisis. The Royal family and the Prime Minister family are in charge.

When the Prime Minister messes up the Bush's, the Royal family the Clintons comes in and fixes the mess.

Lying to the American people is something common to these two group of families and no one takes that into consideration.

Juliane   April 23rd, 2008 1:41 am ET

The problem is that if Mr. Obama does nothing and does not respond to Clintons negative attacks then people believe them, when he responds he is labled as not living up to what he says about being against the old ways of politics, so people get with it, what the heck do you want, someone that will stand up to her lies or someone that her and McCain will walk all over
And why she won in Pennsylvania is because of all of Rush Limbaughs sheep that went out and voted Democrate for her and now will go back to the GOP and re-register, take a look at his web site and listen to Larry King show tonight.
This should be against the law and these pople need to be punished by not being able to vote ever again.............. All this reminds me of the Bush politics

antler   April 23rd, 2008 1:40 am ET

Wow, all the Hilary fans are out in force here... Why can't you accept reality? She's only damaging the party.

After all that, she's still behind. LOL.

Trisha, Monsey NY   April 23rd, 2008 1:40 am ET

God Bless you Obama, you did well tonight! Hillary go home and take Bill with you, America does not need you and your awful crew of trashy politics!
I watch sadly tonight while Penn made the wrong decision again, look people The world is laughing at us to even consider Hillary as our president!!

Obama/ Richardson!

MylanNO.H.I.O.   April 23rd, 2008 1:40 am ET

The bottom line is her campaign is broke, the margins for her need to be bigger than PA from now on, and worst of all she was exposed as the negative former republican she is. The kitchen sink strategy is done, and if she tries it in the upcoming states she will lose.

The thing that most bugs me about her still being in the race is, her only hope are the superdelegates. That means that she is running to overturn the will of the people. That is a dangerous game. To tell the majority of Dems that their vote counts for nothing, and then expecting them to in turn vote for her in November is naive. It would guarantee a republican win in November, and cost the party important seats.

IT IS OVER!

BTW, the Obama nicknames Hill supporters come up with are cute, and just a little childish. It's like you're saying, "Hey look, I twisted Obama's name. That means he can't be good enough for President. Yea, go Hill!"

Yeah, cute.

DDowling   April 23rd, 2008 1:40 am ET

I do not like Hiliary's recent tactics, nor her vote for Iran, or her pledge to demolish iran if they attach Israel but she is far far better than cult of the personality Obama and Bush lite McCain

richard - Minneapolis   April 23rd, 2008 1:39 am ET

In a state where Hillary was expected to get 20% 6 weeks ago, it is remarkable that Obama's ads and appearances could cut that lead to less than half. Do not bet Hillary's nomination on PA! As people get to know Barrack, they'll come around.

And for Jay in Kansas above, Barrack is not negotiating on "hope and change". He's stated his willingness to do something towards resolving differences that noone presently except Jimmy Carter has been willing (or able) to do – TALK TO THE PEOPLE WITH WHOM THERE IS DISAGREEMENT. Obviously, cowboy diplomacy doesn't work and there is NO conflict resolution process that doesn't call for the engagement of the opposing parties. Barrack Obama should get kudos for that! We will never settle our differences if we refuse to speak to those with whom we differ.

Unshrub   April 23rd, 2008 1:39 am ET

A big wop-de-do, she won 6 more delegates then Obama. Why are all the news making this sound like a big win. At this rate she will need to win 30 more states to catch up to Obama. Everyone says she needs to win by 20% to catch up and she never gets half of that, but the DNC lets her keep going to destroy Obama. It must be the DNC death wish.

Ernest   April 23rd, 2008 1:39 am ET

Better late than never. For so long the media seemed to wink at her "kitchen sink", "scorched earth", extremely negative, unfounded, profoundly disingenuous tactics and comments, such as "there's nothing to base that (Obama being called a Muslim) on, as far as I know". Everyone acted as if "all's fair in love-n-war", so may the best dirty trickster win.

Even if you accept that the ends justify the means, both the ends and the means are mean and nasty with her. And the focus seems to be on the entertainment value in the media. "Look! The haggard, shrill lady is making a comeback against insurmountable odds! Never mind the Nixonesque methods, get some comments on lapel pins and third-party quotes taken out of context!"

A wrong turn and a sad new low on the path toward democracy.

charles   April 23rd, 2008 1:39 am ET

People are missing a point hear concerning the money Obama has spent. they keep saying he outspent her and lost. what exactly did you want him to do seat around and clap hands. she is the one who should be having problems becoz she's been around the business 35 years so she says and still finds her self behind a rookie. this shows how shallow minded she is with her supporters. and also this is all the republicans want. how come sudenly she is clean no more cabbage coming from the GOP. thats how blind some people are. the republicans are dancing around yr heads with the media, by the time you realise it will be too late.how come every republican even KARL ROVE is seeing her as a nice person. Wake up democrats the republicans with the media they control are spinning yr heads. They know she is easy to bit come november. if you think im wrong wait she gets the nomination she will be slaughtered.after all she wont be disapointed coz she is republican in disguise.

Fran Says   April 23rd, 2008 1:39 am ET

Fear is a powerful tool. It is usually best wielded by the weak. We've gotta give it to you Hill . . . you wield it well!

Hillary's sword of fear is cutting the ones who are afraid to take a step outside of the ordinary and become involved in something bigger than themselves.

Hillary is taking us to a place where we will all stop and wonder about the choices that have been made. It's time to stop dealing fear and mis-statements. If you have to embellish your accomplishments, what have you accomplished??

Obama be da Prez!   April 23rd, 2008 1:39 am ET

She knows that negative works for her people. Apparently, that's what her people relate to.

Ashwin   April 23rd, 2008 1:39 am ET

Hillary,

You're killing the party and more importantly the chance for the US to regain its standing and respect in the world with every day you stay in this race. all the negativity has made me sick to my stomach and confirms what many believe that you will do anything to get elected. you fear monger in your ads. you claim obama is whining when you yourself said "should we get mr. obama a pillow" in the debate. BE REAL. do whats good for the campaign, for the general election in november, and for the country that you apparently love so much.

Joe In El Lay   April 23rd, 2008 1:38 am ET

No wonder the NY Times will be out of business soon...good for lining my bird cage, that's about it. What crap...attack Hillary aftr a 10-POINT WIN! Idiots! If she spent 12 million it would have been 25!!!

WAKE UP, or get ready for John W. as prez....

ojo   April 23rd, 2008 1:38 am ET

12 million could not buy PA, but it certainly cut Clinton's 20-point lead in half in less than a month.

As much as the media moans and groans, negative campaigns always work. They are a staple of American politics.

Judy   April 23rd, 2008 1:38 am ET

Congratulations to Hillary! Lighten up NYT – you act like you have never seen intense political campaigns before. While you may have endorsed her, your columnists other than Paul Krugman have torn her down every chance they get – pretty ugly stuff from Maureen Dowd and Frank Rich to mention a couple – that's pretty negative and personal. Way to go Pennsylvania – you really came through!

Educated Black Women   April 23rd, 2008 1:38 am ET

VOTE FOR THE PARTY PEOPLE! BARACK HAS THE MOST DELEGATES! WE WANT A DEMOCRAT IN OFFICE. IF YOU ARE IGNORANT ENOUGH TO NOT VOTE FOR HIM IN THE GENERAL ELECTION THEN LET'S GIVE MCCAIN THE PRESIDENCY!

Mickey   April 23rd, 2008 1:38 am ET

Sometimes internet comments just astound me with their idiocy but sorry, Texican your's reigns supreme. First, you talk about the Liberal Media like it's some monolithic blob that makes stuff up about Hillary. Never mind the fact that she has consistently lied and made outright damaging and hypocritical attacks against Obama. Nest, you talk about "all the money (NYT) has put on Obama..." If you remember correctly, they were just about the only newspaper to support Hillary before Super Tuesday. They're simply admitting how wrong they were

Barb   April 23rd, 2008 1:37 am ET

I am happy she won by 10 points. Don't think she did it dirty - just effectively. The NYT is wrong!

Salin   April 23rd, 2008 1:37 am ET

Senator Clinton,

Indiana and North Carolina is ahead. Do not forget to put the negative campaign over there too. It works for you.

Hillary + negative campaign + anything= voctory.

Dave   April 23rd, 2008 1:37 am ET

Let us not forget the powerful democratic leaders were behind, including Ed Rendell and she was brought up in PA – a strong factor that cannot be ignored.

Andrea, Atlanta, GA   April 23rd, 2008 1:37 am ET

REALITY: Many in PA had already decided their vote from the beginning, based on upbringing, comfort in the past, and YES, RACIAL COMFORT, with Obama being k(new) on the scene, in addition to all of the hype and negative Obama/OSAMA publicity, some actually understand the dynamics and can realize HOW Clinton advanced past her opponent in PA. It was already in the bag.

REALITY: Senator Obama still has a comfortable lead, and rightly so.

REALITY: Senator Hillary Clinton WILL lie about just about anything that lends toward her credibilty. Her husband, former President Bill Clinton, will evade any questions that demand clarity.

REALITY: The ability to interact and see evrything as we have been given the ability to through the WWW, etc. DEMANDS that we OPEN our EYES and see what is really needed. That equates to an awakening to what we all NEED as people! STRENGTH, and TRUE representation from one who we can TRULY say, "I am truly an AMERICAN citizen that represents ALL AMERICANS from all walks and paths of AMERICAN LIFE!"

GO OBAMA 08' & 12!!

Obama be da Prez!   April 23rd, 2008 1:37 am ET

Okay, you all know that the only way Clinton can get the nomination is to disenfranchise all the voters who have given Obama the popular vote and majority delegates and twice the state victories, right?

Enjoy tonight. She won't get the nomination. He made a point of telling it tonight – Independents, new voters and converts voted for him overwhelmingly...they aren't die hard Democrats like we are, so they have no reason to make a special trip to vote for anyone but the person they signed on to vote for. Combine them with the Blacks who will feel disenfranchised and Obama supporters who feel cheated and you got your new little old President McCain.

The only change you will get is the extra apron and paper cap they give you for that part time job you will be working to try to make ends meet.

Obama O-8!

Lucas Hart   April 23rd, 2008 1:37 am ET

Darn Negative is "God damm America-Bomb the Pentagon-Rezko Mafia – Cling your guns" thug called Obama.
NYT,MSNC and CNN were bought by San Francisco neveu rich dirty money and they are losers. now and then. Just wait for next contests!

Hillary will bamboozle you all!
Lets move on!!

The White House is not for sale!!! Nor the voters!

Spin this!

Levar   April 23rd, 2008 1:37 am ET

Look folks.. there is no way she can win. If you dont believe me check out CNN's Delegate Calculator. Give Hillary every remaining state by 55 percent and 53 percent of remaining superdelegates. It is virtually impossible.

Right Now we should be uniting behind a candidate but noooooooo... Hillary would rather tear this party and country down. What a selfish lady you are.

If you are a Hillary supporter please understand what I mean and please show your support now for Barack Obama. Lets stop paying attention to what demographic voted for whom, this kind of politics is what is wrong with the media, but lets not be sidetracked from real issues for the remainder of this campaign please, please, please.

Obama Is Our Nominee WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT!!

Corbin   April 23rd, 2008 1:37 am ET

I believe the title "NY Times slams Clinton's 'negativity'," might just be CNN reporting the opinion of the Editorial Board, and not giving a very biased opinion. Perhaps it is simply recognizing the irony of the situation, not "...trying to bring her down," as Jay in Kansas stated? Am I going insane? Perhaps I am just drawing to the conclusion that through this process of discussing and arguing about every detail in this Presidential race, we have become bitter and distasteful towards each other? I know this may sound cheesy or cliche, but can't we all just get along? Can't we listen to one another respectfully without spewing rude and frankly inconsiderate comments? I am about to become of voting age and I have not decided who I wish to vote for, but I can certainly say I will not vote for a person whose supporters yell and belittle people.

Andrew   April 23rd, 2008 1:37 am ET

And by spending 12 million he bled out the rest of Clinton's money, pushed her campaign into debt, and increased his nightly haul. Now Clinton has to come out and mention her website and beg for donations – it paints the picture that her campaign is in bad shape. That money wasn't wasted, its called campaigning. Just because your candidate can't spend that kind of cash doesn't mean Obama shouldn't, some of you guys are getting to be ridiculous.

And right now the vote margin is 8.6, just because CNN can't manage to publish more accurate data doesnt mean that it was a double digit win. Obama did a good job, it was not his turf, but that didnt stop him from getting every vote he could. If Clinton would have fought for delegates like Obama has, instead of following Mark Penn's advice, she might very well be the presumptive nominee right now. As is though, shes really not going to win, it just can't mathematically happen. Good candidate, horrible, horrible campaign. She also should have had surrogates out there trying to drum up funds, devoting money-grubbing time in the middle of a victory speech is just foolish.

rose   April 23rd, 2008 1:36 am ET

Go New York Times & CNN You have a point, Clinton is very negative and she wants ONLY POWER she doesnt care about people.
GO OBAMA

Susan   April 23rd, 2008 1:36 am ET

Clinton has proved to be mean and vindictive. She would never make a diplomatic president. Her ONLY experience is being the WIFE of a president!

TK   April 23rd, 2008 1:36 am ET

It is unfortunate a fellow democrat waves the republican flag. It shows fear tactic works and shame on HRC. What gives me hope is the fact that Obama cut her lead from 30% down to 10% without being NEGATIVE. Why are we Americans not learning that whoever is playing to our fears will be the worst leader? I'm for one done with senator Hillary.

Hillary The True Leader!   April 23rd, 2008 1:36 am ET

Like I said before Obama can't buy Votes!, and spent 12 Million!!!!!

KPO'M   April 23rd, 2008 1:36 am ET

Hmm. Clinton won by 9.4% (not double digits) in a state with a closed primary, one in which almost every Democrat in the establishment supported her candidacy, and one that is whiter, older, and more blue collar than Ohio. It seems like a "hold" to me, not a "turning point." As for the New York Times, they offer harsh criticism of Clinton, which IS significant, since they endorsed her candidacy in the New York primary. I think even they realize that she can't win, and if she stays in the race until the convention, she'll have the same luck as McCarthy in 1968, Kennedy in 1980, Hart in 1984, and even Reagan in 1976 (the last four candidates who took the nomination to the convention floor). She'll just drag her party down.

jaymzz   April 23rd, 2008 1:35 am ET

needed a double digit blow out, didn get it!!! 9.4% is certainly not double digit n way much less than 25% she had 6 weeks ago. obama just sealed his nomination!!!

Jetty   April 23rd, 2008 1:34 am ET

Make no mistake. OBAMA wil be the United States president come November 08.

Stay the course OBAMA

plain jane   April 23rd, 2008 1:34 am ET

Hillary is blamed for a lot of things that she doesn't do. He ad never mentioned Obama. Fox News broke the Wright story, a New York paper the WM. Ayers story, Huffington Post, the cling to guns story.

Obama is very negative in his speeches. Get onto Obama.

Hillary 08!!!!

Mauri   April 23rd, 2008 1:34 am ET

New York Times sounds like it's pandering to Senator Clinton's opponent. As for the media bias against Hillary - and we all know who does it - I just wonder if this comes down to how much money each candidate has to spend on advertising. And again, we also know who has the most. But it couldn't buy Pennsylvania. As for her ad, what's wrong with it? It showed the real world we live in, and who can argue with that?

Bryce Beamish   April 23rd, 2008 1:34 am ET

The NYT Piece is right on. Hillary Clinton is the best campaign tactic John McCain has.

There's absolutely no way she can win this thing. To keep going on shows a reckless disregard for her party and her country.

Soji Brown   April 23rd, 2008 1:33 am ET

Jay in Kansas who said "Help wanted/Experience required" is why jobs get outsourced. The people who don't have experience, which if you look at facts, Obama does, are capable of doing the jobs and sometimes even better.

It's the old, tired leaders that don't change and keep doing things the same way, it's the young that need to lead in new ways.

Obama is a better candidate.

Jason   April 23rd, 2008 1:33 am ET

Yayyy Hillary won and she'll win again!

Elisabeth   April 23rd, 2008 1:33 am ET

Why should Hillary Clinton "call off the dogs?" It works, just like it worked for Karl Rove.
It is obvious that most people want dirty politics and politicians who will say and do anything to get elected and will stand for nothing.

RD Taylor   April 23rd, 2008 1:32 am ET

I'm a Democrat. What is happening to me.....I'm beginning to think this drama is too tiresome – maybe I'll just vote for McCain. End this now or lose '08.

Goldie   April 23rd, 2008 1:32 am ET

Democratic women, this is not a game, not an American Idol contest. It is a crucial time in history and we need a Democratic nominee, fast. Hillary Clinton cannot win the nomination. She made her mistakes early on. Now she can only lose. Meanwhile, she is damaging the future nominee with lies and innuendo.
At another moment in history, women could hold out for that daydream of a woman in the White House. This is not the time to do it. This moment in time is too grave for that. Our children are depending on us to put a Democrat in the White House. Their future is at stake. If women continue to put an egocentric goal ahead of the future of this whole planet, they we will be like Pandora opening the box, unleashing untold harm on the human race. We got a peek at that awful future with Hillary's reckless comment about obliterating Iran in nuclear war. It was a bad omen for all of us. It made me shiver. All her negativity is encapsulated in that word: obliteration. She is not the one meant to lead us. Not at all.

Formerly of PA   April 23rd, 2008 1:31 am ET

The only "spin" is Hilary's. Sorry to disappoint you Hilary fans, but the latest count from the PA State Election page shows 98.9% of the votes in with Hilary's margin of victory a mere 8.6%. Wake up boneheads, this is not anywhere near the kind of victory she needed to revive her already broke campaign. She's a desperate woman hanging on by her claws.

Susan K from CA   April 23rd, 2008 1:31 am ET

It's good to hear that from her own hometown newspaper! That is so true, Democrats watch out; even if Obama is named the eventual nominee, which unless something drastic happens he will be, she will have hurt democrats in a huge way; giving McCain freebies and ammo from within his own party. It's time for this to stop; Hillary has no chance and is acting in her own self-interest and prideful ego.

Cory   April 23rd, 2008 1:31 am ET

Get over nothing. She's as power hungry and morraly bankrupt a Bush and Cheney. Good luck trying to get elected when you've completely alienated the African-American vote to the point they will stay home along with 90% of the people new to the process.

Villian in 2000 that led to Pres. Bush = Nader. Villan in 2008 that led to Pres. McCain = Hillary. Maybe once she loses we can be rid of the Clintons once and for all. Good ridance.

Shayne   April 23rd, 2008 1:30 am ET

As though Obama hasn't been negative as well??

Obama outspent her 3 to 1 and STILL couldn't stop a double-digit win by Hillary Clinton. In the past 4 hours the Clinton campaign has raised over $3 million, 80% of which came from first time donors.

Hillary has now received MORE VOTES than Barack Obama. She is winning in the popular vote. How can you say that Obama should be our candidate? Because he won in counties that are given more delegates?? In states that we will never carry in the general election??

The people have spoken. This isn't over. Hillary is still willing to fight for us, because America is worth fighting for.

Hillary 08. Because America is worth fighting for!!

Bev   April 23rd, 2008 1:30 am ET

If you are wondering what Hillary did to piss off the NYTimes, you obviously have not read the article (or maybe understood it). Clinton is using old time, Karl Rove nasty politics. Even McCain is not as nasty as HIllary. I can not imagine what she would do to this country, she is so divisive. According to senators who worked with her on the health issue under Bill, it was her way or the highway – not my type of woman.
Why does Hillary not compare her policies to Obama'a instead of wasting all this time?
GOOOOOOOOOOOOO OBAMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Rak   April 23rd, 2008 1:30 am ET

I cannot believe my fellow democrats are not infuriated as I am after seeing Hillary Clinton play the fear game like the Republicans and GW Bush has been doing for 8 years. She showed a image of Bin Laden in her ad, this is the same thing she has been fighting against, fear tactics, and now she pulls that card. UNBELIEVABLE.

Ronnie...Charlottesville, Va   April 23rd, 2008 1:30 am ET

SO WHAT...if she shows Osama in her video. He's not dead...never been caught. It was just a montage of challenging issues that face our leaders. Then she makes the case that she is the best one to deal with those challenges. Are we to ignore Osama?

bigdog   April 23rd, 2008 1:30 am ET

Ok maybe it's me but if the News Paper where you are a Senator of verbally wirte's about how much they dislike your campaign tatics and have also been a supporters or yours then there is a problem. The facts she lied about Bosnia,she supported Bush in invading Iraq and it wasn't even 3 a.m she is $10 million in debts from this campaign who is going to have to help her make up that and how do you make $109 million over 8 yrs working for the general public hhmmm. She has hurt the Democratic Party with these thug like do whatever it take's to win mentality a short term victory can lead to a long term faliure and come November the people will let her and Democratic Party know excatly how they feel if she is the Nominee

Sean   April 23rd, 2008 1:30 am ET

I hope Pennsylvanians have gas money after helping her gain what, 3 delgates? Woohoo! break out the champagne...better make that beer...I'm sure your Clinton donations will be well received at the Dunkin Donuts..

Janice   April 23rd, 2008 1:29 am ET

Ya, we have several lunch-box type folk in this state. A lot of victims of the american education system. IE: Clinton Drones. Oh and of course you can't forget white vs. black. These are the type of people that do not want to see a black man in the office.

I am a white female and I would hate to have hilary in office, I would rather vote for McCain.

Obama 08!

todd wong   April 23rd, 2008 1:29 am ET

She now begins her losing streak. It's over. Donate your money to Obama. If diplomacy means lying, then she would qualify.

Robert   April 23rd, 2008 1:28 am ET

When Clinton rated John McCain above Sen. Obama, a fellow Democrat, she lost me, a former supporter, forever. What other Democrat has ever said such a thing of a fellow Democrat in a primary? It is waaaaayyyy beyond the pale. Should she achieve her goal of wresting the nomination away from Obama, she will rip the party apart and hand the White House to the Republicans for another four years.

Kathleen   April 23rd, 2008 1:28 am ET

Go Hillary!!!! He couldn't stop her with 12 million spent. Ouch! Dean and company better take notice. This is a hint of the general in the fall.

Jack K   April 23rd, 2008 1:28 am ET

Pandering by Clinton...a definite YES. She's been sharing hunting and gun stories in PA. She hated NAFTA in Ohio but prior to that, she touted NAFTA's great success. If I ever ducked under sniper fire (in Bosnia), I think I would remember the details of that day for the rest of my life. Pandering is putting it politely. How about Machiavellian or politically expedient? We do need another common-folk yet Rhodes Scholar/Ivy League type of intellect in the White House again, but without the "slickness".... wait, that sounds like this guy who's an Illinois senator right now.

Xavierism   April 23rd, 2008 1:27 am ET

Yeah? Well I'm disgusted at The New York Times for how they handled the recent story on John McCain. They printed a story that lacked facts. Now they are playing Political Gods? I don't think so. I've lost respect for this so called news paper.

Eric-PA   April 23rd, 2008 1:27 am ET

She has been defending herself from Obama's attacks. Obama has been going negative. The New York Times is a very liberal paper who's in love with the Barackstar.

gerry   April 23rd, 2008 1:27 am ET

Good for the New York Times for telling it as it is. In spite of her tactics, she still can't win. She needs to win all remaining contests by a 70-30 split in order to erase Obama's lead in elected delegates. All she won, in a state she had a 25 point lead in was 12 more delegates than Obama.

When the NC, Indiana and Guam elections are completed, Obama will then have a lead of 180 delegates and Clinton will then need to win all remaining contests at a 95-5 split.

It's like being down 36 points with 30 seconds to go in the Super Bowl. It is not possible for her to catch him.

Clinton supporters, if they are democrats, should quit drinking kool-aid and ask themselves whether they want the democratic candidate which is going to e Obama, so bloodied that McCain wins in November.

Don Fitzgerald   April 23rd, 2008 1:27 am ET

It has every reason to slam her! The last couple of weeks I thought she turned into a Republican nominee. That is extremely unfortunate for our Party and for this battered and bewildered nation. It seemed as though I was watching the Pennsylvania primary turn into the election of President Bush and what his minions did to his opposition. I hope she can get back on the high road and I say that sincerely, otherwise our nation is in for, at least, another disastrous Republican term!!!
SUPPORT OUR TROOPS, BRING THEM HOME, ALIVE. NOW.

Philly Chick   April 23rd, 2008 1:27 am ET

CLINTON WILL LOSE! I will never vote her into office. EVER.

Serge the DEM   April 23rd, 2008 1:26 am ET

I applaud those who decide to stick to their candidate out of loyalty, and it seems it was enough to let Hillary keep her lead in PA. But She needed to win BIG and she didn't.

She was 20 points ahead a month ago in PA.. she lost voters. NC will most likely go for him (but at what margin? I expect over 20%).

Regardless, the ones who are going to pick our candidate will be the superdelegates. I wonder who they are going to vote for? You know who they are going to vote for... still, I applaud your loyalty to your candidate... cheers!

Carmen   April 23rd, 2008 1:26 am ET

This was a symbolic win for Hillary. However, mathimatically, it will not help her win the nomination. This was her last chance at the numbers game. Barack has secured the nomination.

Retta Crawford St.Louis   April 23rd, 2008 1:26 am ET

Congradulations..Hillary and thanks Pennsylvania . $$$ didn't put Obama above her and its the vote that counts. Seems the ball is now back in our court. We are in it to win it!!!!!! Yes we can. You should have seen the faces as the results can in early by Obama's supporters here at Drinking Liberally in St.Louis. Let's go on for more victories HillaryClinton.com We got more states to win and join in the excitement.

jack   April 23rd, 2008 1:26 am ET

I am sick and tired of CNN AND now NY TIMES, If it this its that fault and if it that it is this fault.

Shannon, Charlottesville, Virginia   April 23rd, 2008 1:26 am ET

It's about time the media spoke up about this. I've seen some Clinton supporters who have more hate for Obama than love for Clinton.

Drew   April 23rd, 2008 1:26 am ET

Billary will be Bush's 3rd term. GO BILLARY!

Rob   April 23rd, 2008 1:26 am ET

Will check back with you in 2 years PA see how your doing with those new jobs after the Columbian Trade deal is signed. Bill has received how much from the Columbian government so far? Oh yea $800,000.Not to worry ,they don't mind if he just keeps it and forgets the whole thing.When will people wake up!!!!!

DB, San Francisco   April 23rd, 2008 1:25 am ET

Is PA a testament to the sad fact that negativity and fearmongering work? Sadly, I am beginning to think so. What started out as an invigorating primary between two strong candidates has turned into the kind of politics we have sunk to in this country. With her victory, Clinton will continue what works, and that is slandering her opponent. Obama, too, will likely go increasingly negative. To what end? A split party and ammunition for the Republicans?

mrsing   April 23rd, 2008 1:25 am ET

How is it that blue collar workers voted for her when her husband was the one who signed NAFTA and shipped their jobs overseas esp. to MX? Aren't these blue collars the same people who would like to see southern border closed off to illegal aliens taking jobs and driving down wages? Hispanics voted for her, right? Are these the uneducated voters they're talking about?

And how is it that pious Catholics voted for Mrs. Pro. Choice NOW Crowd? Don't these Catholics follow their holey pope and religion tenets? Catholics are hypocrites; they probably are the ones having abortions.

The fact that Mr. Casey supported Obama didn't mean much to these Catholic hypocrites!

Andrew   April 23rd, 2008 1:24 am ET

HAHAHA....

I've had enough bias news. Usually when someone wins a contest the first thing they release is "Candidate wins state".

This is nonsense. The NY times has found someone more Liberal and ahead in Obama, so have switched sides.

dwest   April 23rd, 2008 1:24 am ET

You're kidding. What about the other side trying to label Bill Clinton a racist......and using that strategy to divide us in ways that it will take generations to heal. As a white woman who with African American cousins, I wonder how many of you can turn a blind eye to the fact that the Obama campaign has used race to divide us. I have spent a lifetime trying to bring people together and now I find even lifelong friends beginning to feel uncomfortable talkiing about race. How do you explain that? I haven't sat in any churches lately where we were taught hate and resentment.

Xman   April 23rd, 2008 1:24 am ET

In '92 I voted I voted for Bill with great hope. From '96 until now I have been a Green Party activist. I'm now hoping for Obama, but afraid Clintons still represent the true shrunken soul of the Dems, really not so different from the Rs. No, I'll never vote for McBush, but I won't ever vote Hillary Rove Clinton either.

TC   April 23rd, 2008 1:24 am ET

I think some of you may be missing the real issue hear. It's true Obama out spent her but the same media you are critizing gave her more than ehough compensation in all their attacks on Barak. so stop whininning like losers and little children in the playground. We need to realize that come the fall the same media is going to try and knock Clinton and /or Obama's head off!
It's time we focus on teh big picture!! Obama / Clinton 08"

Chris   April 23rd, 2008 1:24 am ET

Considering Clinton had a 20 point advantage going into a state that fit her demographic perfectly, it's pretty sad of her camp that he was still able to cut her lead in half... all while going through 3 controversies and have Hillary/Mcain and ABC debate after him. Not bad for a nooby going up against the huge Clinton political machine. Have you noticed she doesn't have to defend herself much from past skeletons? It's because Obama's not as negative and she's not the front runner so she can basically say whatever she wants without much backlash. Obama's image would look bad in voters eyes if he went after the person in "second" place – so he has to focus on McCain more and get double teamed in return.

That sad part about that this whole thing is dividing the dem party (don't believe me? some 27%+ in her camp say they won't vote for Obama in a general election... that's straight up brain washing of directing people against the REAL enemy – McCain... and 17%+ of Obama's camp is saying the same thing – probably in response or dislikes to the Clinton "brand")

Steven Schwartz   April 23rd, 2008 1:24 am ET

The US and the world is at a critucal juncture. We desperately need statesmanship and the hope it engenders, and I'm not seeing it. The race becomes more disappointing every day. Walter Cronkite, please run – I'm tired of always having to select from among mediocrity.

OR for Obama   April 23rd, 2008 1:24 am ET

I agree with the article wholeheartedly....don't fret though Pennsylvanians.... out west we will get it right.....I can't find anyone in Portland, Oregon that is voting for Hillary. And many, like myself, are so turned off by her negativity that we will joyously vote for McCain if she were to get the nod. Go Barack! Si Se Puede!

Ray H Gainesville VA   April 23rd, 2008 1:23 am ET

I think some of yall are missing the point. Sen Clinton was ahead in PA, "her" state (the 2nd oldest state in the country after FL), early on by what 20 + pts and Sen Obama cut that in half or more. She was supposed to win PA, not the other way around. However, she was supposed to win it by 20+ points...or did we forget that?

An American in Canada   April 23rd, 2008 1:23 am ET

New York Times is bias. They support Obama 110% if that is possible.

They have all these so called reporters on television news shows throwing negative comments towards Hillary R. Clinton.

So, New York Times, you have nothing to say about negativity since you are suppost to be reporting the news not making negative news.

Citizens of American, those who still buy your paper read your rubbish and want to vomit.
Women especially are turned off by your anti-Clinton rhetoric and you fool no one with your bias articles and your bias polls.
We do not believe in any political poll anymore, we will wait to get the voting results the night of....
And remember Obama and his campaign stole most of the caucuses and regardless of what you write, New York Times, Hillary Clinton will be our next president!

Marc PDX   April 23rd, 2008 1:23 am ET

Well, the NY Times may not have liked it, but once again negative campaigning worked. I think we can expect it to remain this way from now on.

M Cantey   April 23rd, 2008 1:23 am ET

It is of even GREATER horror that the media has (from the beginning) come down adamantly opposed to Hillary Clinton's campaign for Presidency.
I beg ALL so called journalists...report the facts of the election as they happen...not your personal opinions.

Journalism is reporting on unbiased FACTS.
Americans do not care what you, the media, think.
The media is making this much more of a fight than it needs to be between the 2 capable Democratic candidates.
Let the people of America decide who the best candidate is.

David Virginia   April 23rd, 2008 1:23 am ET

"If I'm going down; Obama, I'm taking you with me." ...I'm still waiting for the famous quote to come out.

Way to unite the Democratic party. I would never vote for someone who has such high ego. This election isn't about us, It's about her. She has also been stealing his speeches and regurgitating them at her rallies. Just you watch, this proves she WILL say anything to get her nominated, and she WILL go through Obama's trashcan every day and every night, all day long.

Being this so called "fighter" (Aka. Stubborn) is the politics we need to leave behind. It's childish and unethical.

Aaryan Schubert, Portland, OR   April 23rd, 2008 1:23 am ET

REAL MEN VOTE HILLARY.

So very sad to see our country men/women being swayed by some farce called Barack Obama.
When will we see the true person that he is...which is a mean, ugly hearted liar. With Hillary we have no surprises and I have goosebumps when I think of the ugly, very ugly surprises that will come up with Barack.

What gets to me are his hippocracy, his holier-than-thou persona. From experience these are the very people one has to be truly aware of. He has just been plain lucky, being the media darling that noting has scathed him...YET.

Wake up countrywomen, countrymen, Superdelegates....NOBAMA! Let us not make a mistake we will be terribly sorry about. Obama will prove to be even worse than Bush...

Where are all the professional body langauge guys? Why dont we hear from them about how very deceptive everything about Barack is!?!

Hillary, you are an inspiration to 1000's and a TRUE LEADER.
God Bless You and God Bless American's who cant see through the farce of Barack!

Tim   April 23rd, 2008 1:23 am ET

With such a close race might the loser run as an indepentant?

Jdowns   April 23rd, 2008 1:23 am ET

People continue to vote for Hillary and it is her fault? Obama can't connect with blue collar white voters and it is Hillary's fault? Obama can't win a primary election (not caucus) in a battle ground state and it is Hillary's fault? Obama can't defend his vulnerabilities and that is Hillary's fault? The Super Delegates can vote for Obama at any time and have not yet moved entirely Obama's way and that is Hillary's fault? With an election this close do we really believe if roles were reversed that Obama would just pack it up and bow out?

Obama supporters are just as blinded by their candidate as the Clinton supporters. In the end, this is how politics plays out and there may be fall out in August. However, if there is and the general election is lost to McCain it will be because Obama was not a strong candidate and did not address the issues raised in the primary. But everyone will think that to is hillary's fault.

Fran Says   April 23rd, 2008 1:23 am ET

Fear is a powerful tool. It is usually best wielded by the weak. You've gotta give it to you Hill . . . she wields it well!

Hillary's sword of fear is cutting the ones who are afraid to take a step outside of the ordinary and become involved in something bigger than themselves.

Hillary is taking us to a place where we will all stop and wonder about the choices that have been made. It's time to stop dealing fear and mis-statements. If you have to embellish your accomplishments, what have you accomplished??

SeanFromCanada   April 23rd, 2008 1:22 am ET

And what did she win exactly? A longer drawn out loss for Clinton? She's doing more harm then good making this long painfull process of waiting to find out who your even voting for come Nov. Clinton should just give up before she takes down the whole Dem party.

Henry   April 23rd, 2008 1:21 am ET

The truth is that despite her small victory in a state she was supposed to win BIG, Clinton will quit the race with the upcoming contests.
Let's be clear Hillary supporters, when your candidate will announce she resigns, I hope all of you will not betray our party ???

The NYT is right, this woman has run the most hateful, negative, shameful, distracting and lying campaign ever seen in our history !!!
How many lies deos she still hide ? After NAFTA, the Bosnia trip, the young lady of Ohio, Mark Penn, what's the next lie ???

Now half of the nation sees her as a lier, a dishonest woman, a cheater and a very bad woman. She can't win in november with such a baggage, my mother who was her supporter and Bill's supporter for decades doesn't even wanna see them or hear them on tv, imagine that !!! (My mum is 56). The end of that woman is near, in 2 weeks we're gonna start to focus on the general election and everybody will have to get involved.

Bill and Hillary are the most dishonest and lier persons of the last 10 years, maybe more !!!

BN in CA   April 23rd, 2008 1:20 am ET

The Clinton's are beholden to the same group of political insiders and lobbyists that have driven our country to the brink of economic ruin. Expect more of the same if Hillary somehow gets the Democratic party nod. That in itself would tell you that the system is corrupt beyond repair, as Mr. Obama will end up with more delegates than Mrs. Clinton – There can be no justification for her to get the nomination – if she does it would only prove my earlier point.. She should drop out now otherwise she will split the party and give the election to McCain.

Tupac   April 23rd, 2008 1:20 am ET

If she was so concerned about Bin Laden she should have authorized for war in Afghanistan not Iraq... you know the area where he's still hiding.

Doesn't matter anyway she will not win the popular vote or delegate race so who really cares how negative she gets.

It is time for a change no more Bush or Clinton's... bring in Obama or McCain.

Rachel   April 23rd, 2008 1:20 am ET

The New York Times finally wrote something wothwhile for a change. Good on you.

JerryDTX   April 23rd, 2008 1:20 am ET

What Timing!! NYTimes!!

You waited until Senator Clinton won Pennsylvania and then had the nerve to release this Anti-Clinton article on the night of her election and rain on her parade.

Well at least Senator Clinton knows she cannot count on the NY Times to be a true friend at crunch time.

This smacks of political pandering to the Obama campaign. People are finally seeing that Senator Obama is not all sugar, sweetness and light. and they are voting for Senator Clinton. She is the best "hope' to lead this country out of it's current troubles and on to greatness. Senator Clinton has faithfully served New York. What has Senator Obama done for you??

mb   April 23rd, 2008 1:20 am ET

$12 million < subtle race baiting and underhandedly invoking Farrakhan and Hamas in front of small-minded, scared blue collar workers.

Good for the Times. Sure they endorsed Hillary, but you'd have to be blind not to see that she is running a scummy campaign.

hanyou23   April 23rd, 2008 1:19 am ET

You know, at the beginning of this election, I was really excited. Now I'm just plain exhausted... really tired of it. I've donated my money, watched closely, but it has dragged on for just too long! Instead of a party going against eight years of George W., another potential 4-8 with John McCain and the 100-year war, rising prices on everything, job losses etc... bickering, bitterness towards each other, tearing down one-another, all for what?! Just too loose to John McCain in the General Election because either Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton couldn't get off of their ego trip for the better of the party. I don't really care who wins anymore... all I'll do is wish whomever wins good luck after the primary – you're going to need it.

Just my two cents...
Eric
Lincoln, NE

Mirani   April 23rd, 2008 1:19 am ET

The New York Times endorsed senator Obama , not Clinton!

Oreo   April 23rd, 2008 1:19 am ET

Interesting read. Interesting comments too.

I think everyone fails to realize the truth of what is going on: Hilary has NO CHANCE OF WINNING. She is losing the popular vote, delegate count, and state number. There is no democratic way for her to win, let alone convince enough superdelegates to her cause, which would simply undermine the entire process and bring shame to the party. The only thing Hilary has managed to do is tear her party apart, and most likely cost them the nomination in November. She can spin it any way she wants, the media can say anything they want... At the end of the day, either one of the Democratic candidates will be so bruised from Hilary's negativity that they will be no match for McCain and the Republicans.

Yet again, in an election where the Democrats could run a tree stump and win, they will manage to lose.

So congrats Hilary on your win, and on destroying your party. You should be proud.

bill   April 23rd, 2008 1:19 am ET

Job's, Job's, Job's.......Hillary Clinton promised 500,000 Job's, Job's Job's to New York voters when she ran for the Senate. Since the election New York has lost, lost, lost well over 30,000 job's, job's, job's....She blames other for not hetting the 500,000 jobs in New York, but Bush was President and Hillary still promised 500,000 job's.

Hillary will say anything and hype it until you vote for her and then she will Lie, Lie, Lie......

john   April 23rd, 2008 1:18 am ET

I think cnn overall has done a good job in this election. sometimes they tend to emphasize the divisions or arguments within the democratic party, but overall have been fair. They are just representing the majority of democrats and americans who support obama, and those who support hilary until the end are not being smart because she has no mathematical way to win

obama all the way!   April 23rd, 2008 1:18 am ET

Hope is harder to sale than fear...and Hillary uses exactly what Bush uses...it is scary...she is scary.

common sense   April 23rd, 2008 1:18 am ET

It's about time someone said it right!! Who started all this negativity?? HILLARY!! Who continues to be negative? HILLARY!! We would be in serious trouble if we had a witch for president. I'm sorry that most people can't spot liars when they see them but I can and she has no problem lieing to ALL OF US! I didn't need to hear about bullits wizzing past her to know she was a liar. It's all in the eyes. Obama is the only one telling the truth. Obama is the only one that truely believes in a better country AND THAT"S ALL YOU NEED TO ACCOMPLISH ANYTHING!! We've been told all our lives even as children if you believe you can, then you will. The ones who actually do believe are the ones who end up getting things done. No candidate is even close to being on Obama's level. This country will suffer another G W. Bush era if we get this wrong again. So for all the slow people out there...Lieing BAD, Truth GOOD. To all the intellectually challenged people out there do me and everyone else a favor and STOP VOTING!!

Viki   April 23rd, 2008 1:18 am ET

I'm right there with ya "ALL THE WAY HILLARY?" It's the NY Times, and most media these days who are negative. The very media who are supposed to be unbiased are continually giving their "opinions," making up fodder to sell papers, and have absolutely NO shame in just plain making things up sometimes. It's sad. The only negative thing I can see about Hillary is that she now has a backstabbing newspaper trying bring her down. Good luck with that. Have they not been paying attention?

e forrest   April 23rd, 2008 1:18 am ET

poor america if they get clintons in the white house,she hasnt won anything worthwhile ,she acts as if she won the nomination, the woman lives in cloud cookoo land, her nasty nature is hoping for a chance to find something ,anything, about obama to win, maybe obama has to dig to find the goods on the clintons,shouldnt be hard, shame that he may have to play her rotten game,then watch her whine about it not being fair, shes twisted,

Voice of Reason   April 23rd, 2008 1:18 am ET

Uhm, sooo... yeah. I'm just going to say... "Duh" on that one.

Pat   April 23rd, 2008 1:18 am ET

In reference to the Clinton ad that has the images of various events or things, over the past years and included Bin Laden, the ad was merely showing the many challenges that can face a president. I do believe "Katrina" was also shown. It in NO way invoked terrorism in any way. What is so hard to understand about that? The NY Times Board needs to get a life and quit nit-picking.

Puzzled   April 23rd, 2008 1:18 am ET

Clinton is running an increasingly negative and desperate campaign, but, I can't exactly fault her for it because I think most politicians in her place would. Look at McCain, who promised to stick to the issues and avoid personal attacks. His camp sent out a mailing that said that Hamas would celebrate if Obama won. Now that is plain old-fashioned fear-mongoring. With 99% of the vote in, Clinton stands to gain a whole 6 delegates. That is not going to neccessarily change the landscape of the election. I personally don't understand the nastyness many of the previous poster have posted
ALL THE WAY HILLARY!- The NY Times didn't miss the boat, Hillary is running increasingly negative ads, looks like you should pay a little more attention to politics before posting.
Jay in Kansas- The article is about the Times, not CNN.
NObama- The Obama campaign did outspend Clinton, but the ads Obama ran were mostly directed at policy, not veiled personal attacks.

Now I am not endorsing either candidate because I think they both would do a better job than the current administration, however, facts are facts. Just because you don't like the fact that the NY Times pointed out Hillary's campaign flaws doesn't change the fact that the ads are becoming increasingly negative.

The Writer Mama   April 23rd, 2008 1:16 am ET

Sorry, but the Hillary-bashing is just so yesterday's news.

But if you want to boost her campaign, go for it!

Jean   April 23rd, 2008 1:15 am ET

We talk about negative campaigning it seems to win votes. The media and we the voters alone with the canidates can and should set a better tone.

Fighting is okay if there a goal and ground rules.

Jean

LSW   April 23rd, 2008 1:15 am ET

Clearly, by the look of these comments, her pandering and Hate Obama, Love Me rhetoric has paid off. She's done a better job of turning her supporters into anti-Obamaites than the Republicans. So far at least 10 of her lines have been already repeated on this page. Way to go, Hillary.

EVK   April 23rd, 2008 1:15 am ET

NYT needs to stop their liberal hand wringing and weeping and get real. Complaing that HRC went negative is lame. When BHO trots out his surrogates on media calls, where are the objective NYT reporters. The media is repeating the mistakes it made when Bush took the country into Iraq. The news anaylsis and editorial comments are shallow and superficial, lack objectivity and spits out conventional talking points. How about doing a serious analysis on how BHO is going to fare against JM in the general election? The editorial board of NYT should go back and read their HRC endorsement. Stop propogating this psueudo myth about how HRC has waged a negative campaign! Like Bill and Hillary said, politics is not for the wuss- if you cannot stand the heat get out of the kitchen! Does NYT think that if BHO becomes president he is going to get a veto-proof majority? It is not going to happen- I wonder what will happen to his hope & change message then. A BHO presidency without a veto-proof majority is going to be dead in the water. How about doing an editorial on that NYT?

Remy   April 23rd, 2008 1:14 am ET

What a relief!!!!! I don't have to vote for McCain after all.

suzanne   April 23rd, 2008 1:14 am ET

NY Times editorial page? a stinging rebuke from her hometown paper? Amen! PS Thank you Penn voters for yelling "Yes we can!" in the background on her victory speech. Getting ready for Obama, are you?

dave   April 23rd, 2008 1:13 am ET

Tonya McPantsuit, er, Hillary, isn't concerned about the country, about the election or her party. Whatever it takes for her to win the election, she'll do it (or try). The only way she takes the nomination is to beg the "Supers" to go AGAINST the will of the people (pledged delegates, popular vote), which will tear the Dems apart, and weaken the ticket from top to bottom.

Our nation needs, desperately, to sweep out the same old politics and politicians from Washington. There simply is no way we get there with Hillary McCain.

john taylor   April 23rd, 2008 1:13 am ET

I will be satisfied with either obama or clinton but her negative attacks definitely show she is puting herself before the party and the general election. You can learn a lot about a candidate by looking at how they run their campaign. It's ridiculous Clinton would accuse Obama of using tactics out of Karl Roves' handbook and then envoke images of 9/11 in campaign ads!! What planet is she on!? If Clinton somehow convinces enough superdelgates to switch sides the African American community will feel Obama was cheated out of the nomination and will not show up in as large of numbers in the general election. Time to end this nonsense and elect Obama..come on Indiana!!!

Lewis   April 23rd, 2008 1:13 am ET

No 12 million could not buy PA, but dishonesty and lies did. Since when is Hillary a church going person. As a Christian I am deeply offended that she would claim to represent church going middle-income families. When she supports a lot of non Christians values.

She was said that it took a Clinton to clean up after a Bush in the White House.

All the the Clintons did, was bring scandal after scandal to our country including sexual imorality in the form of adultry. Do we need another Clinton to bring more dirt to our country?

NO!! Our country has suffered enough.

Wake up Hillary!!! Go back home to New York!!!

GoodNEWS   April 23rd, 2008 1:13 am ET

I'm happy to see Liberal Media does support moderate democracy, and not just the extremely liberal. I have read complaints by others stating that the media has "Nothing but spin, with hypocrites around every corner." Yet these are the same people that will join in Bush-bashing and participate in anti-republican sentiments. Another thing I have noticed throughout this election is the nastiness by not only Hillary, but her supporters as well. Hillary supporters are so nasty that they not only refuse to unify for the general election, but shun the very media outlets that they supported for previous years. Get it together people! Hillary has alot of cleaning up to do – this article speaks truth.

Sandra   April 23rd, 2008 1:12 am ET

Thank you New YORK TIMES.
Finally somebdy spoke the truth. I really use to like Hillary but there is no way I would ever vote for her. She has ran the most negative campaign ever!

Obama 08

Barb in TN   April 23rd, 2008 1:12 am ET

Amazing! Sounds like sour grapes to me. I think the ad is perfectly legit in the question it asks. It is only calling into question Obamas experience but of course the media has to spin it as racist. Give me a break!

Roland   April 23rd, 2008 1:12 am ET

Yes Hillary won, but everyone knew that she would win, the only question was by how big a margin. Maybe now she can stop all this negativity. She is losing badly therefore she continue to search for any negative thing that she can find in an attempt to sway the white voter. Just like Hillary was pick to win in Pa. Obama is predicted to win big in N.C.and several other states. Lets see what happens then

SVCAN   April 23rd, 2008 1:12 am ET

Bill , well said about the stupidity. I am your neighbor (NJ) and we were equally or more stupid in voting for Clinton.
Clinton is mean, she will lie and do anything in this world to win the nomination. You can tell by looking at her, she is faking, lying and desperate.
She took money from Lobbyists and she will continue to do that. She doesn't care if Democrats win or loose.. She just wants to win. It will probably be OK for her to loose with McCain, rather than loose with Obama. I would vote for Pamela Anderson, rather than Hillary.
She needs to be kicked out of the race and let the 2 gentlemen fight it out.

LennyInDelaware   April 23rd, 2008 1:12 am ET

I just donated too.

Congratulations Hillary!! And to all her supporters, volunteers, her hubby Bill and Chelsea, Governor Rendell, Mayor Nutter, including the many mayors, Mr. Murtha and the rest of you who are working behind the scenes.!!!

You have all worked so hard.

Hillary's team are like the Energizer bunnies. They just keep going and going.

America wants Hillary to be the next president. She is like the Energizer bunny!!!

Congratulations Hillary team!!! Job Well done on PA Primary.

May God Always Bless the Hillary Teams!!!! That includes all of you Hillary supporters!!!

Anonymous   April 23rd, 2008 1:12 am ET

CNN, like the NY Times, both feel the need to insert stupid digs at any Hillary victory. She won by a big margin. Write a story about that without all this negativity yourself

Ryan S in VA   April 23rd, 2008 1:12 am ET

She's gone negative, but she keeps winning big states.

Obviously, the BIG democratic strong-holds are not buying the Obamania.

The Clinton's pockets run deep, and they've dug deep to support many supers' campaigns over the years.

Don't be surprised if there's an upset in Denver that Obama never saw coming.

Rusty Bedsprings   April 23rd, 2008 1:11 am ET

"I am so sick of the media,Obama supporters and the internet in general. "

The "Internet in general?" Isn't that what you're using to convey your sentiment, my hypocritical friend?

It's incredible to see the IQ divide between Obama and Clinton supporters. Sheesh!

Reed Richards   April 23rd, 2008 1:11 am ET

All the Billary supporters and the suckers for Obama,

All other extreme right or extreme left partisan nonsense aside, the elephant in the room that no one, not even any of you have addressed is this:

What states that George Bush won in 2000 and 2004 will either Hillary or Barack Obama win in 2008? If either wins the exact same states that Al Gore won in 2000 or John Kerry won in 2004 BOTH WILL STILL LOSE THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE VOTE TO GEORGE W. MCCAIN IN 2008. IT'S AS SIMPLE AS THAT.

So the question then becomes, what state or states can either Hillary or Barack "flip" to win in 2008?

PREPARE FOR A THIRD AND POSSIBLE FOURTH BUSH TERM.......

V in CA   April 23rd, 2008 1:11 am ET

In fact, you can easily count the number of articles, TV, and radio ads that are negative from each campaign toward the other.

I find it curious how the NYT ignores all of the low-ball tactics Obama's campaign used against Sen. Clinton (grossly misrepresenting her healthcare plan through mailers in TX and OH and again doing the same thing in PA and in TV ads there, and on and on, Obama sneering at her, laughing derisively at her, putting her down daily). They are both politicians, and they both lie, and they both went negative.

Grow up and get over it. There is no "new politics." Politics is and will always be politics.

Obama 08!   April 23rd, 2008 1:11 am ET

I'm glad someone said something. She won PA., SO.... News Flash!!!! you have to win the Popular vote to win, the Electoral vote, to win the presidency(unless your name is George W Bush). I'd vote for "McBush" if she wins without winning the of the above.

INDIANA FOR OBAMA!

Juli   April 23rd, 2008 1:11 am ET

This feminist won't be voting for Mrs. Clinton if she gets the nom. She's a liar. Period. She has been my senator for 2 terms now and she comes upstate only when it's politically advantageous for her. She is self-serving in the worst possible way.

It's time for a woman, yes, just as much as an African American. But I want it to be a woman who can unite us and get something done instead of yet another insider bringing more of the same crap to the oval office. She's about *her* career, not our best interests. I truly believe if she gets the nom, the Dems are handing the presidency right back to the GOP.

Gary   April 23rd, 2008 1:11 am ET

Although I am disappointed in my pathetic state's all too predictable vote for Hillary I feel that ultimately this loss is for the best.
Obama lost this battle but he has already won the primary due to his insurmountable lead in elected delegates and the popular vote.
Hillary's smear machine is giving Barack the practice he needs to beat McCain in the fall.

CJ   April 23rd, 2008 1:10 am ET

Who's gives a flip what the New York times think, they are nothing but a bunch of left wing nut balls. They need to stuff this up their A. all us White women will never ever vote for Obama. Get off Hillary Butt.

Julie in OK   April 23rd, 2008 1:10 am ET

The NYTIMES must be taking too seriously Frank Rich and Maureen Dowd - two Clinton haters.

They actually printed an Op-Ed piece a couple of months ago where a writer (Harvard sociology professor) accused the Clinton campaign of racism through the red phone ad! He said the ad reminded him of the film "Birth of a Nation."

Surely everyone remembers that ad - it was simply about who was ready on Day One.

I subscribe to the NYTIMES, and I have found it hard to understand how they can print some of the mean-spirited columns about Clinton - after endorsing her, then they seemed to want to "get" her.

Jaime Lee   April 23rd, 2008 1:10 am ET

The New York Times has been quite biased in reporting, and did not even mention Obama's embellishments on his links to Kennedy (from the Selma speech). This was reported in the Washington Post.

Maureen Dowd's venom is particularly annoying.

The New York Times also supported the Iraq Invasion, and distorted the facts during the invasion (Judith Miller).

I have cancelled my subscription to the New York Times.

Isaac   April 23rd, 2008 1:10 am ET

Both candidates are to blame, this is ridiculous. Can we please let her enjoy her 10% win with over 200,000 votes gained in the popular count before trashing her??? I mean, the press is relentlessly after her and I have to say, I admire her ability to thrive all the more for it.

Anonymous   April 23rd, 2008 1:10 am ET

um...The Times has been backing Obama from the beginning.

Steve From Bangkok   April 23rd, 2008 1:10 am ET

Hilary cares More about her self than about the country, What ever happen to patriotism

Barbara-California   April 23rd, 2008 1:09 am ET

She will never be the "First Lady" in My eyes, and she will never be the President in my eyes, even if she wins that".....she is the lowest of the low, and I am so disappointed in the women in this country who voted for her just because she is a woman!

I hope the "real women" in the balance of the states, for the nomination will go to the polls and vote for someone who really has some dignity, she is a disgrace to women all over the world, and is disrespectful of the Office of the Presidency of the United States, she has brought our country down to the level of a third world country of "scavengers" or gypsys....I am so downhearted for this country....what a bunch of losers we are.....!

mark odell   April 23rd, 2008 1:07 am ET

Obama, Osama - Clinton's blatant Muslim linkage attempt, into a commercial lie that appeals to the uninformed, is shameless.
Her high unfavorable numbers are there because she is ethically challenged. What she lacks in charisma, she makes up in gall.
Thank God she survived that harrowing sniper fire in Bosnia,
she was so brave. Osama must be shaking in his boots.
Hopefully she focuses on her promise to obliterate millions of men, women and children in Iran first!
Can't wait for North Carolina and Indiana . She probably won't quit trying to steal the race in popular and pledged delegates,
but she will be finished. Good riddance.

paul   April 23rd, 2008 12:48 am ET

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Elaine   April 23rd, 2008 12:48 am ET

Yes, Clinton won, but at what cost? She may still be in the race, but when everything is over what are we left with, a divided party with a lot of bitter (yes, I said bitter) feelings and no hope. There is no way Hillary can win the general election without the (black vote, the young vote, the HOPE vote, and all the people who have gave millions of dollars to Obama, will not give millions to her. .

emmanuel   April 23rd, 2008 12:48 am ET

I love how everyone is against her.....BUT she is a CLEAR winner!!!! I dont think anyone is listening to the media anymore,,,,find another negative way guys..

Hillary 2008

cindy   April 23rd, 2008 12:48 am ET

Please stop and listen to yourselves. This is more about winning than it is about the problems we need to solve. I appreciate winning as much as the next person when it comes to football, baseball, but this is about the future of this country and our planet. Can we please, as citizens of the same country and human beings, have a little civility and listen to each other and try to figure out how to solve our problems? If you have a point to make about your candidate can't you make it without hate and vitriol toward the other? Can't we please prove to the rest of the world that we deserve to be leaders on the world stage?

John   April 23rd, 2008 12:48 am ET

The Democrats are beginning to sound more and more like the Republicans. Maybe I should vote for McCain.

Not sleeping at the switch   April 23rd, 2008 12:48 am ET

ummmmm Isn't that what we have ALL been saying? Those of us who do not PROFIT from this thing dragging out that is.

spyturtle   April 23rd, 2008 12:48 am ET

Shame on Hillary to publicly threaten nuclear weapons after what happened in Japan in a response to a hypothetical attack on israel. Hiroshima and Nagasaki still are effected by the bombing. Huge numbers of innocent people were instantly and painfully murdered. Not very presidential. Even John McCain would not be so flippant and cavalier. Go Obama!

John, Cape May, Nj   April 23rd, 2008 12:47 am ET

Their is no way Obama will win the general election. It's The kooky wing of the party's fault – they let kids and the extreme left have the candidate of their choice. His speech tonight came across so angry. The United States does does not want an angry person in the White House! This democrats voting for MCCain – I will vote for Hillary in 2012 !

melissa   April 23rd, 2008 12:37 am ET

One thing I like Obama, he is honest, period!

truth   April 23rd, 2008 12:37 am ET

america deserves a liar and a crook!

Tom Smith   April 23rd, 2008 12:36 am ET

I keep hearing about blue-collar-workers. America face realitys blue-collar-workers equals white low income workers who will never vote for a blck candidate and believe me that makes up around 75% of the registered voters. So in conclusion Obama is just spitting in the wind and America is not ready for a black candidate and will never be. If Obama was a white with the same ability that he possesses he would already be the Pesident.

NickNas   April 23rd, 2008 12:36 am ET

FINALLY!!! Thank you New York!!!! A Major player in the Media that still has integrity and knows it is just not about AD Dollars!!

AND they Like many of us ONCE ENDORSED HILLARY.

I feel so much better now. At least there ARE people who can admit a mistake left in this world!

Debster DC (I Bet CNN WON'T POST THIS)   April 23rd, 2008 12:35 am ET

I just donated $50 to the Clinton campaign because of the media's bias and the rapid Obama supporters. The media is at fault in the divide in the democratic party – if only they had let the candidates debate the issues instead of maligning Clinton. You all, went after the Clintons for any and everything, example, while you talked about the Clintons not releasing their tax returns nothing was mentioned of the John McCain's.

Julie in OK   April 23rd, 2008 12:35 am ET

"Barack Obama deserves some of the blame for the negative tone..."

Did this reporter miss Obama's campaign remarks this past weekend - totally negative against Sen. Clinton.

She had a great win despite all the money Obama spent. What was it - 3 to 1??

I congratulate her and look forward to her being the Democratic Party's nominee.

SC for Hillary   April 23rd, 2008 12:35 am ET

Well New York Times, you forgot to print the LIES Obama told in his Ads about Hillary, Guess what: It did not work, Now let me see Obama spent 12 million dollars in Penn. and had Bob Casey to get the Catholic, what a Joke that was, the Catholic people are not stupid,
The Catholic people know that Obama and his wife are Racists and hate White Folks, Thank you Penn. for displaying your Intellect tonight,
You chose the right Candidate, Obama cannot and will not win in November, so Obama,take your corrupted, Tony Rekzo, Rev Wright, Bill Ayers BUTT back to Chicago and go back Underground with the infamous Terriosts.Hillary 08

samuel   April 23rd, 2008 12:35 am ET

No matter what senator obama will and should be the next president of United States of America.Every day i prey and thank " God" for giving us senator Obama. Please ,The Generous American People,Prey day and night to make sen.Obama our president.Think a minute sen. Obama is once in a life time leader.
God bless America every single second! Amen.

Manuel TX   April 23rd, 2008 12:35 am ET

Obama just can't close the deal.

Never has so much been spent to accomplish so little.

Obama needs to bow out.

:)

TerrenceW for NC   April 23rd, 2008 12:35 am ET

Up next is US, Carolina... I can't wait until we post up our results. It was so surprising to hear Clinton brag as she said taunted "why he couldn't win in PA?" What if he taunted after Mississippi? No one expected her to win there? I have respect for Pennsylvania, but it was an empty victory. The state was hers to lose. With the demographic as it is in that state, I'm surprised that she didn't win by more. But Carolina Blue will let her know where she stands with us on May 6.

Lets do it Carolina. It's our turn.

tiredofcnn   April 23rd, 2008 12:35 am ET

I'm sick of the New York Times and CNN ALWAYS reporting NEGATIVELY on Senator Clinton. They just cannot wait to bring out their fangs and tear her down. I see NOTHING negative about her campaing against Senator Obama. She is comparing herself to him and giving clear and concise reasons as to why she will be a better President. She is not slamming Senator Obama or calling him names. She is just speaking the plain truth! That's it! Get over it CNN and NYT!!!!!

Tyrone   April 23rd, 2008 12:35 am ET

It was pretty clear that Obama was NOT going to win PA, but the polls had him down 25% at the start, and he worked his way up to a 10% difference, in my opinion his "25 Million" bought him the support of 45% of PA citizens, and informed the other 55% of who he was, and what he stand for, even if they choose Clinton because they like her better, at least they will have better knowledge of him and his policies, if he does win the nomination.

Devon Fort Myers, Fl   April 23rd, 2008 12:35 am ET

OMG considering that a few months ago she was up by 33% and just 3 to 4 weeks ago she was up 25% and she ONLY won by 10% she has LOST BIG time. Clinton is a SOFT REPUBLICAN and Obama is the TRUE Democrat. She has now moved to the right of John McBush on Iran and that is UNBELIEVABLE. Obama supporters like me just IGNORE the Media for the next 2weeks because the Clintons, Republicans and the Media are about to get 50times more NEGATIVE on Obama and I pray it all back fires on them.

Obama 08

Mike   April 23rd, 2008 12:35 am ET

I hope Hillary wins so you can see just how back she will screw up this Country. What is REALLY sad is out of 300 million plus people, these three are the BEST we can come up with to be president. How very sad.....

Brian T   April 23rd, 2008 12:35 am ET

The Clintons are killing the party, and any chance for (us) the democrats to win the 08 election. It shows you how the Clintons play politics. "If we don't win, then no one wins". Disgraceful, and dishonorable.

I bake cookies   April 23rd, 2008 12:35 am ET

The more she speaks the less I listen. Earlier I felt i could support either democrat and now.... I just dread having to cast a vote for such divisive person. Win at any cost – nice hasn't that been a Bush tactic?

If it comes down to Clinton versus McCain

I just may not vote but then again – i doubt Clinton would care after all I'm just a college graduate who stays at home to raise children... I better go get those cookies

My famly is not valuable to either Clinton or McCain

Floridian   April 23rd, 2008 12:35 am ET

People just made a horrible mistake.

Mark   April 23rd, 2008 12:35 am ET

Clinton's entire campaign is nothing but negative. She can't say anything positive about herself, all she can do is tear down somebody else. I'll never vote for her. If she wins, I will be forced to vote for McCain in November.

She only won PA thanks to all the senior citizens who are so stupid they don't know any better, plus the support of the criminal Rendell and the joke of a mayor in Philly.

I'd also look into those Diebolds again. They had them in my district, and I still don't trust them.

Peahen   April 23rd, 2008 12:34 am ET

Noah, twelve million didn't buy Pennsylvania (we're talking people who like Cheese Whiz on their Philly Steaks here), but her negativity won't buy the nomination. And on the off chance that the Supers are stupid enough to go for it, it will cost her the election in November.

That would be a shame.

Ramona   April 23rd, 2008 12:34 am ET

Hillary Clinton is still a person who changes her "voice" to fit whatever area she wants to woo. She is a candidate that has been run by her handlers, many of whom have quit. Many stories have been written about the shabby way she treated people, including the media, when she was the wife of a president. We need someone now without all her and her husband's questionable connections and investments. I do not think she is one who frequents bars and tosses back boilermakers, is she? Who will she be if she is elected, she is still a big question mark.

dawit isaac   April 23rd, 2008 12:34 am ET

The paper has it right-on. The Clinton's rugged thirst for power is simply abominable. What will it take for the American people to see through this clear lack of character and leadership? Please don't burden us with another tabloid presidency!

Dianne   April 23rd, 2008 12:34 am ET

Hillary 2008!

Hillary 2008

Hillary 2008

Within 1 hour Hillary raised 2+ Million. Go Hillary!!

Sarah   April 23rd, 2008 12:34 am ET

being the president's "wife" doesn't make you qualified to run for president. she obviously wasn't by bill's side to often...we all know how his oval office days were spent....

OBAMA 08

Kevin   April 23rd, 2008 12:34 am ET

Dear NY Times,

I am so sorry your cozy relationship with Mrs. Clinton is fraying. I have more bad news for you. Sometimes she doesn't tell the whole truth.

Kev

Adam in Canada   April 23rd, 2008 12:34 am ET

Obama goes for change, Clinton goes for hating people who go for change.

Sorry, I'm with Obama on this one.

Backlashg20   April 23rd, 2008 12:33 am ET

Hillary will give hand jobs for a vote....

Steve   April 23rd, 2008 12:33 am ET

Hey Jay in Kansas
By foreign experience are you refering to Hillary's Bosnia run?

kayln   April 23rd, 2008 12:33 am ET

NY times knows that Obama will be the nominee and they want to please him now

Hillary Clinton- I cannot believe that you could not win by more than 10 point sin PA...I am very upset today..YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO WIN BY 25 POINTS...for God's sake

Rick   April 23rd, 2008 12:32 am ET

This is probably her last victory...how deep in debt is her campaign?

cleareyes   April 23rd, 2008 12:32 am ET

Obama's big spending could have saved a lot of low income families in PA. SHAME ON YOU, OBAMA.!

Smart PA people know who is really good for the country, Hillary is THE ONE. PA people's voices have been heard. Thank you, PA.

GO HILLARY! WE LOVE YOU!

JV   April 23rd, 2008 12:32 am ET

If Clinton's margin of victory is 9.44%, why do the percentages say "10%"? Why wouldn't it round to "9%"??

David   April 23rd, 2008 12:32 am ET

i guess she won with the unedecuated Voters.............That says alot about her too...

Pete   April 23rd, 2008 12:32 am ET

Someone needed to say it. I am having a hard time differentiating Clinton's campaign with Bush's past presidential campaigns. The longer this campaign goes, the more Clinton's campaign looks like Bush's past campaigns.

Ladyleo   April 23rd, 2008 12:32 am ET

Hillary will not stop going negative because people who are negative keep supporting her.

Nod   April 23rd, 2008 12:31 am ET

The NYTimes has become irrelevant a long time ago !!

HATS OFF TO YOU HILLARY R. CLINTON!!!

Congratulations Senator Clinton; no matter how the Obama camp and some in the MSM spin this; one thing is true: YOU WON DEFINITEVELY!! YEAH !!!!!

Critical Thinker   April 23rd, 2008 12:31 am ET

So how long will it take James Carville to come out and call the New York Times a Judas for endorsing Clinton, then rightfully criticizing her?

CNN lover   April 23rd, 2008 12:29 am ET

If you are so sick of the media and making up stories or how CNN favors one person of the other, watch a different network you dummies. You aren't though because nothing else compares to the quality of CNN.

GO HILLARY   April 23rd, 2008 12:29 am ET

the only reason she is deemed so negative is b/c she is a woman.

sexism at its finest.

MEET ME IN INDIANA!!!!!

Yolie   April 23rd, 2008 12:29 am ET

Hillary is winning among the elderly because they want to see a woman in office no matter what. Actually before they croak. Also older white women are extremely prejudice. But the world's resource is the younger generation. They need to make the change and make a politics of Unity.

meg   April 23rd, 2008 12:29 am ET

Now that is over. What next?

Fairminded   April 23rd, 2008 12:29 am ET

It's preciously because of idiots like NObama, D. Stevenson, Jay in Kansas, etc. who can't tell accurate ads from smears that Hilary continues to win in States where there are a lot of uneducated people.

Of course Obama has to outspend Clinton. He's up against a name-brand. The reality is monetary investment can't change biased people's mind, although it can still persuade open-minded people that Obame can bring about real change in government because he can break through bipartisanship.

NJ voter   April 23rd, 2008 12:29 am ET

Clinton needs to stop spinning this win as if she did something dramatic. She had governor Rendell, she was well known, she 100 mayors endorse her, she had the enitre establishment in her corner, a 30 point lead in most polls. This win should be a reflection of how democrats are getting tired of her .Look I'll admit she had all of the demographics for the state and OBAMA reduced her lead by a third.

MEET US IN NORTH CAROLINA and INDIANA

mindy   April 23rd, 2008 12:28 am ET

No matter who I support, although it should be obvious, my question is WHY ARE ALL YOU PEOPLE SO FULL OF HATE??? I'm sorry that all of you feel you need to act that way, no matter who wins or loses! We're supposed to be on the same side, right?

Vic   April 23rd, 2008 12:28 am ET

Well he was never going to win there anyway. It was just a way for him to drum up more supporters and let people there know what he's made of. He's done a good job, since she's only won by slim margins. I think one think people fail to understand is that it's not just the President, but all those who work with them that brings about change. Every great company had a great leader who inspired them, not those who claim to know everything and do it themselves. Still cheering for Obama and not at all disappointed with how things turn out.

emily   April 23rd, 2008 12:28 am ET

I thought she gonna have 20% lead with all the machinery she had in pa and the way she attacked Obama with the help of the media.
Time to say to hell with the Clintons. We gonna have to change our politics!!

Wagner   April 23rd, 2008 12:28 am ET

The job of President, requires the politicians to look at events like 9/11.... I think Hillary had a good point... She also shouldeve mentioned the effects of FARC/Che and other crazies....

mark   April 23rd, 2008 12:28 am ET

Can NY times explain why they endorsed Hillary in the first place. Is that because of connections?

Also, who wrote Carl's book? Maybe, he hired Senator Clinton secretly. Again, she can do anything to knock her opponent down?
That quality alone will bring much more division, bitterness, hatred in this country and the world.

Disgusted   April 23rd, 2008 12:28 am ET

Her negativity disgusts me. The democratic party lost me this week and I will register as an independent.

Rulex   April 23rd, 2008 12:27 am ET

Hillary needs to drop out even though she won tonight because that is not going to do her any good.

cencoastjess   April 23rd, 2008 12:27 am ET

what treaties we don't have treaties we broke them all

Stephen, Oregon   April 23rd, 2008 12:27 am ET

So what's the over-under on the New York Times switching their endorsement to Obama after Indiana and NC when she throws the whole kitchen at him?

dale in indiana   April 23rd, 2008 12:27 am ET

I DON'T KNOW WHO COULD BE MORE NEGATIVE THAN THE OBAMA CAMPAIGN. THEY'VE BEEN PALYING THE THE RACE CARD SINCE THE GET GO. THE NYT NEEDS TO SLAM THE OTHER SIDE FOR A WHILE OR ARE THEY AFRAID THE OBAMA CAMP WILL START WHINING SOME MORE....

Speechless in Seattle   April 23rd, 2008 12:27 am ET

"A house divided"...keep supporting Clinton's tactics and you can count on three desk chairs in the Oval Office when the Billary's plus one produce drama of a proportion that will will only exponentially increase the daily dirt being slung now.

Thank you NY Times; I hope you're an inspiration to other editorial boards across the country!

tzxc   April 23rd, 2008 12:27 am ET

She won in nursing homes, big deal!

VoteRobot.org   April 23rd, 2008 12:27 am ET

Hillary's tactics are so vile, it makes me want to leave the party all-together. Barf!

Duke   April 23rd, 2008 12:27 am ET

I support Obama, but Clinton won, plain and simple.

Clinton is also going to lose the nomination, plain and simple.

She cannot catch Obama. The math does not work, period. I understand her hanging in there so to speak. She is hoping to un-nerve Obama into making a catastrophic mistake (which is possible), but barring that, she is done.

Ben   April 23rd, 2008 12:26 am ET

Status quo will not get out of the race easily. This should not amaze anyone. This country is not made of dynasties!!!

kathy   April 23rd, 2008 12:26 am ET

The NY Times needs to shut its big, fat trap. If poor little Obama can't take the heat, then he should just bow out now.

Everyone can throw everything they have against her–Hillary is one tough woman. And she is hands down the BEST candidate we have to beat McCain.

eric from canada   April 23rd, 2008 12:26 am ET

thanks ny times hat lady she's very angerous

Philadelphian trapped in Texas   April 23rd, 2008 12:26 am ET

The Times is to be congratulated for not attempting to justify and re-qualify their endorsement – a decision that made sense when they published it in the dawn of this campaign. Today both candidates are sullying themselves and need to look to the "real" campaign, or whoever wins the intra-party battle will surely lose the inter-party war.

Unfortunately for those looking for the "knockout blow", a 55 – 45 win in PA does justify Hillary's staying in, even though I'm an Obama supporter. Hillary, Barack, please use the next few weeks not merely to win, but at the same time to convince supporters of your Democratic Party opponent that if you DO win the party's nomination they should be supporting you over John McCain in November.

Tee   April 23rd, 2008 12:25 am ET

When it comes to financing, Obama can spend more money on ads and things, he beats her every month in campaign financing! The amont of money doesn't say much about the candiate, because how many of us actually see every ad from the candidates. If she was winning by large numbers, I would be bothered but she isn't........look at how many pledged delgates she gets to his, it isn't !much mor

Bryan-New Oxford, PA   April 23rd, 2008 12:25 am ET

i'm just curious if any of these people who are such staunch Clinton supporters looked at the stats and wondered why college graduates...i.e. EDUCATED PEOPLE...voted for Obama and high school grads and dropouts....i.e. UNEDUCATED PEOPLE....voted for Clinton...hmmmm could it be Central PA's tremendous track record of racism??? I really wonder??

Moderate   April 23rd, 2008 12:25 am ET

NY Times calling Hillary negative? Thats the pot calling the kettle black! Then media slams Hillary at every chance, while they heap rose petals on their golden idol Obama. Well guess what. He lost by double digits. GET OVER IT!!

Hillary or McCain 08

Sean E - MO   April 23rd, 2008 12:25 am ET

Keep the spirit alive! It's time to reinvent Washington, DC. I gave $100 to Obama tonight, I hope you have something you can give to keep the spirit alive and bring hope to our future.

paddylou   April 23rd, 2008 12:25 am ET

I am glad that the New York Times has the fortitude to reveal the truth . I would rather have an honest candidate than one who constantly attacks her opponet while lying about dodgeing Bullets to win a campaign.

arv sinha   April 23rd, 2008 12:25 am ET

I am a registered democrat. But recent tactics by Hillary Clinton, make me want to vote for McCain, if Obama does not get the nomination. What a shame.

Tobias   April 23rd, 2008 12:25 am ET

The negativity was started by the Obama camp from the very beginning. It is unbelievable that the press hasn't caught on to this but they have always been for Obama so it's really not surprising. But the people know the people know what's going on and that is why Senator Clinton won tonight. She is the far superior candidate and she is the only one who can win in November. Vote smart, vote Clinton.

NEBRASKA   April 23rd, 2008 12:25 am ET

There is no way Clinton will win! Keep dreaming. Many Americans will vote for MCCain over Clinton.

Chuck   April 23rd, 2008 12:25 am ET

Talk about "silly season!" Pretty darn bad when the media starts to whine because they can't have their way.

Hill Yeah!!!

Jane   April 23rd, 2008 12:24 am ET

National Polls Barack Obama 51% Hillary Clinton 41%

She will get her butt kicked in NC. Good for the NY Times!

jayjayaye   April 23rd, 2008 12:24 am ET

An old French saying translates as, "God says, take what you want, but pay for it." Take heed, Mrs. Clinton.

lt   April 23rd, 2008 12:24 am ET

She had a big advantage from the beginnig , but did she realy won? Even her dirty slamy mouth did not damage Obama hard enough. He is still standing strong. Last year he had only 14-20% in PA and now jumped to 45%. I don't know about you, but to me it looks like a victory.

The problem is that those who vote for Billary are less educated so they don't know better. It is easy to maniupulate them and she is good at that. Those voter don't make an efford to find out who that woman behind cute smile realy is. They are ready to believe any crap she says.

Karen   April 23rd, 2008 12:24 am ET

New York Times is right. And the reason she got so many votes-one word, PREJUDICE.

Pablo   April 23rd, 2008 12:24 am ET

Jay in Kansas, you do know that treaties are negotiated by "sniper fire and standing next to your husband for 8 years as he shook the hands of world leaders."

FHD   April 23rd, 2008 12:23 am ET

looks like the one stupid in PA is Bill W.
PA people showed how smart they are. They saw substance and they vote for it.
Go Hillary, you will win!

mike   April 23rd, 2008 12:23 am ET

The Times is so right. While she deserves credit for a hard fought win, it is clear that she will stoop to any depth to try to win. This means tearing down her opponent and party if necessary. Using 9/11 and images of Bin Laden is a disgusting display. Her willingness to use dirty tactics has been exposed and will no got over well in next two states.

Michael   April 23rd, 2008 12:23 am ET

"Mrs Clinton became the first Democratic candidate to wave the bloody shirt of 9/11," they write, adding that it is a tactic that is "torn right from Karl Rove’s playbook."

That proves it, Hillary IS a terrorist.

JWK   April 23rd, 2008 12:23 am ET

I am born and raised Western PA, I am sorry for the voters in this area, they are uneducated, small minded and bend to the sway of fear. Clinton is the only president in the history of this country to be FULLY IMPEACHED for being a liar.....it's a shame that they give the guy clout running around drumming up fear and making up accusations... my apologies for my ignorant fellow citizens.

Michael   April 23rd, 2008 12:23 am ET

Foreign experience is a must for ANY president. Treaties aren't negotiated on "hope and change"

Well, I hope George H. W. Bush is listening, because on that logic he should have absolutely trounced Bill Clinton in '92. I have to imagine that every time he hears the Clintons extol the virtues of experience over hope, he thinks he's crossed over into the Twilight Zone.

Joe   April 23rd, 2008 12:23 am ET

and she did all this under sniper fire in bosnia while Bill met with interns...

Hillary 08

raul   April 23rd, 2008 12:23 am ET

I am not trying to downplay the fact that Hillary won a significant state; however, can anybody even mention Obama is having to fight Hillary and McCain at the same time? Do you even remember the last time McCain said anything negative about Clinton? I don't think so.

Chad from NYC   April 23rd, 2008 12:23 am ET

she won...a whole 6 delegates....well wake the children and call the neighbors! (read : sarcasm)

eric   April 23rd, 2008 12:20 am ET

Its a lost race for the Clintons... I hope she would get up this time at 3 am and not forget to answer the phone as she did with the Bosnia issue.. At 60 we tend to forget things and contracdict ourselves.. just like Bill and Hill.
I would not trust anyone for President who can confuse snipers shots three times when she recounts the story to make a judgmental call at three am. Would she have to lie or what......?

Clinton .. pleave drop out... John Mccain may just charge you and your husband for perjury... your trade mark or MO/..

Joan, Kentucky   April 23rd, 2008 12:20 am ET

If Pennsylvania voters had read the late Barbara Olson`s two books, maybe the election results would have been different. Also, what about the Presidential pardons that were given before Bill Clinton left office? Some had questionable reasons behind them.

Sure, the Clinton years were good for most of us, but President Bush didn`t create all our problems by himself.

RICKY   April 23rd, 2008 12:20 am ET

I'm pretty sure the Democratic is going to lose the election. I stopped caring tonight after I realized that this campaign is going to get uglier and divide the party even further. I will vote democrat no matter what just because I don't want 4 more years of Bush type politics and war-mongering. But %10+ of democratic voters say they will vote McCain if thier Dem candidate doesnt win. Another large percentage say they won't vote at all. SAD

Rj   April 23rd, 2008 12:20 am ET

Obama spent:

$22,000.00 – Spent to Racists J. Wright Jr. Church

$12Million??? – Spent to buy PA voters

Senator Clinton Wins Pennsylvania – PRICELESS!!!

TiffIn in Ohio   April 23rd, 2008 12:20 am ET

Congrats to Hillary! The NY Times is right. She has been very negative. It's sad to think that she would bring down the Democratic party to have her way. I heard a commentator state "Hillary will burn down the village and call it saving the people." No matter what she does Obama must stay on point and not be swayed by her negative distractions. It's time for him to push up his sleeves and give the people what they want....deal with the issues, show case solutions, and reignite the flame of HOPE. It ain't over until it's over.

Obama 08!!

Joe   April 23rd, 2008 12:20 am ET

Iron out your hoods boys

Hillary 08

Bruce M.   April 23rd, 2008 12:20 am ET

Spin this–there is no way she can win the popular vote. There is no way she can win in pledged delegates. Her own people are conceding this.

And there is no way the Democratic party is going to select someone who won neither the popular vote nor the pledged delegate race.

She is going to lose. It's a matter of time. The question is how much of the party she's going to bring down with her.

Brian   April 23rd, 2008 12:20 am ET

PA has once again shown that they will vote for a loser. Hilldog can't win the national election and will resort to the Rovarian style politics that Slick Willie condemed. Indiana and Kentucky better look close at what happened here in PA. Hillary and her merry band of dividers have pushed a new generation of voters to the curb. Sleep tight !!

Michael   April 23rd, 2008 12:20 am ET

Thank you NY Times. It is about time someone in the media has the courage to point out the obvious.

kari   April 23rd, 2008 12:20 am ET

Why is it that people in this country think that only two families can run this country? (the Bush's and The Clinton's) I am tired of these names. They offer the same old politics and both are bullies. The Clinton's left the White House in shame and the Bush's will leave in shame and not caring about the damage he has done to America.

I hope that Sen. Obama will not let Sen. Clinton pull him down to her level of dirty or gutter politics. We need someone like Sen. Obama. He will bring back family values, honesty, respect. He will bring this country together and restore the dignity that America deserve from the rest of the world.

Educated voters wanted   April 23rd, 2008 12:20 am ET

It would be nice if folks actually read the NY Times editorial. It was accurately report by CNN, so quit bashing CNN. Also, the NY Times editorial, while very critical of Clinton, still backs her, claiming that she needs to "call off the dogs" if she is to convince superdelegates that she deserves their votes because, as the NY Times continues to insist, she is the most qualified. There is so much foolishness posted here one has to wonder about the basic smarts of Dem voters.

SFinKorea   April 23rd, 2008 12:20 am ET

Even the comments on this blog are negative. Stop talking about why the other candidate is bad. Just talk about why yours is good. This primary has become a travesty.

BTW, nobody like sore winners.

CStroud   April 23rd, 2008 12:19 am ET

I will be resubscribing to the NYT tomorrow!

who cares!   April 23rd, 2008 12:19 am ET

Who cares? look at the readership of this paper- down, down and soon will be gone! any extreme media outlet would lose out in the end- be it looney right or looney left. this george soros-kind of crowd brings a poor name to this country and berates all moderates! ALL FOR HILLARY!

Joey   April 23rd, 2008 12:19 am ET

Despite him outspending Hillary 3 to 1 in ads, He still lost. Tonight really raised questions about Obama's electability. The democrats need to win Pennsylvania in November and Obama can't seem to win these battleground states like Ohio, Pennsylvania. Also, Hillary is winning in double digits and over 200,000 in popular votes!

hillary is brilliant   April 23rd, 2008 12:19 am ET

haters..... she is the strongest candidate...if the dems want to lose this fall they can keep being negative against the best candidate...we will lose this election. HIllary 08

Daniel, Loganville Ga   April 23rd, 2008 12:19 am ET

Congrats Sen. Clinton, Operation Chaos was a success I guess...PA got it wrong tonight...We need a change in this country from the old politics. THis country is in trouble and we are playing games. Wake up America before it's too late.

OBAMA '08

Rhonda in KY   April 23rd, 2008 12:19 am ET

There is no question that her negativity is guaranteeing a McCain victory in the fall. I would never vote for her if she were the nominee but she will destroy Obama and the party on her way down. I'm not surprised by PA voters but so very disappointed that they bought into her ridiculous fear mongering.

Luke   April 23rd, 2008 12:19 am ET

We've all known that she couldn't statistically win for months, Hilary, and her supporters need to give it up for the good of the party, and the country. She's been grasping for straws for a while now, this is why she's gone so negative, and it's the reason no one is donating money to her campaign. Yes, she won Pennsylvania, and gained a whole 3 delegates. No one in the media, or in the Hilary camp, is being honest about the fact that she can't statistically win without going against the will of the people with superdels. This is all a tremendous waste of time, and party solidarity.

kimberly of Seattle   April 23rd, 2008 12:19 am ET

Make no mistake about it I will not vote for Hillary Clinton ....I am a single african american female. I do not like the negative campaining being initiated by the clinton campaign – Bill and Hillary will do anything to win and they are not that much different from the republican party and their tactics. I am a lifelong democrat, however, I will not support the clintons.

clarlune   April 23rd, 2008 12:18 am ET

note to BILL W. who obviously thinks he is soooo much more intelligent than so many in "his" state... it must be soooo lonely up there in the rarified air, sipping wine and eating fondue with your friends in Pacific Palisades. lmao

andanotherthing   April 23rd, 2008 12:18 am ET

This is bogus. Must be a turncoat on staff.

Jaded   April 23rd, 2008 12:16 am ET

CNN: Whatever happened to objective and unbiased journalism? I swear, ever since this primary started, CNN has been nothing but disparaging to Hillary Clinton. So CNN likes Obama, I like Obama too, but no one can deny the fact that Clinton is still a great candidate. I am starting to suspect that CNN reporters/bloggers/editors are a bunch of sexist elitists.

Em   April 23rd, 2008 12:16 am ET

Go Hillary!! Ed Rendell for VP!!

And btw, CNN – you suck!

MARYANN Oswego IL   April 23rd, 2008 12:16 am ET

GO Hillary I knew you would win..I am so glad I 'm on your side.... Hillary 08

Sharon   April 23rd, 2008 12:16 am ET

Hillary even your own city newspaper does not like your tactics. You are the biggest hypocrite I have seen in politics. One day you are dogging Barack, the next day you are praising him. He has more integrity that you have in your little finger. In the end you will see that Barack will win. More states won, more of the popular vote, more pledged delegates, creeping up on superdelegates. What does that equal = WINNER!!!!!! Go back to New York, work as a senator and then take your retirement in Scranton, Arkansas or wherever you come from with the millions of dollars you and Bill have.

sfgirl   April 23rd, 2008 12:16 am ET

Tonight before the results CNN showed the primary popular votes counts with Senator Obama leading by 1-2% (48-49% to 47%). With a 1-2% different - a near tie! - we keep hearing that Senator Clinton "should drop out" and that she's "dividing the party." Tonight she wins by nearly 10% and CNN describes the vote as "competitive" and focus on Senator Obama's "closing the gap" from a 20% lead she held weeks ago (in a poll decried as innaccurate.) Guys, this Democratic party is split about 50%-50% over which candidate they think is best. Let the people decide without these ridiculous headlines!

bad idea   April 23rd, 2008 12:16 am ET

Isnt this the same newspaper that said Mccain as have affair with that lobbyist lady in 2000 without a shed proof on it?So,what gave them a creditble right to said anything...
My,my,my Obamaites are sure a loser huh.If you guys think that Hillary will not make it,remember Obama cant be a nominee without that number.After all the states has vote,he is still havent reach that magic number so thats why the superdelegates comes.So dont try and try and try to discredit Hillary.She won by 10% tonite eat your heart out baby.

Daniel   April 23rd, 2008 12:16 am ET

We democrats need to realise how badly her negative attacks is dragging us down.Its like "its gonna be HILL or nobody else"
If your child behaves this way u will chastise/ground and do all sorts, how much more a supposes Presidential Candidiate.

Most of the people urging her on are Republicans in disguise.

McCain's Pastor,Bhudist, and Voodoo men are all praying for Dean & Co to overturn the trend and give the nomination to Clinton because that means GOP wins.

wolfsbane   April 23rd, 2008 12:16 am ET

So Hillary wins PA, but Obama is still the front runner, and it is nigh impossible that she can overtake him.

Sure, the DNC can go insane and choose Hillary, but that is as likely (or less likely) than Hillary spitting off and forming her own party. Call it Party Clinton...which is the party she's been running for all along.

Ostriches burying our heads in the sand   April 23rd, 2008 12:16 am ET

So what will Clinton campaign's Terry McAuliffe say now about NY Times?

This evening McAuliffe said about Fox, "You were the first ones to call it for Hillary Clinton....Fair and balanced Fox. You beat them all."

What's next- praising Karl Rove for his intelligence!!!!!!!!

Mike   April 23rd, 2008 12:16 am ET

You guys are crazy here. Obama only needed to minimize the loss since everyone knew she would win and she did win. Maybe she picked up what? 10 more delegates? Oh big deal. She is bankrupt now and entering territory in IN and ND that will teach her a lesson. All her gains in PA will be zero there.

The needed to win by MORE than 10 points, just10 points does not cut it. Hillary is only campaigning now to to raise more money to pay of her debt, not to win. She does not want to spend her own money.

And when she loses, perhaps Mr Wright will make her happy again....just like he did after Monica!

DemocraticBaron   April 23rd, 2008 12:16 am ET

O wow, SENSE!

And please, to all clinton supporters- yes she WON– in a state she was EXPECTED to win – by a margin that did NOTHING to the delegate count, NOTHING to the popular vote, NOTHING to the margins of victory for either candidate in the upcoming primaries. All she did use a Kitchen-sink strategy to belittle Obama and twist his words and use the very tactics she as a Democrat should vehemently oppose.

A democrat charging another as elite?
A democrat waving the bloody shirt of 9/11?

Wow, and you call this a win....and WHAT expense?? and with WHAT gains

Dan from Illinois   April 23rd, 2008 12:16 am ET

Clinton won by 10%. How is that inconclusive? How did they COMPLETELY ignore Obama's negative tactics? What is up with that? They are so going to get a lot of hate mail for this one, and rightfully so!

apple   April 23rd, 2008 12:16 am ET

Q: How can you tell when Hillary is lying? A: Her lips are moving. We can only hope the people of Indiana & N. Carolina are smart enough to see this.

Justin   April 23rd, 2008 12:15 am ET

Finally the Times grows a sack. Maybe you should retract the endorsement of Clinton. Oh wait nm the Republicans would love that.

elyce ellington   April 23rd, 2008 12:15 am ET

Hilary is self serving and evil.
She's willing to embed her bloody nails in the face of the democratic party and overturn our democratically nominated candidate by calling in favors. Obama 08

Unbelievable he got so close with just about the entire democratic machine in pennsylvania foisting her on the undeucated blindly trusting voters. PHENOMINAL Barrack! He is beating the machine, because...
Barrack has the people behind him $100 at a time.

Hillary for president   April 23rd, 2008 12:15 am ET

When Obama was asked about what he would have done about the Iraq war, his answer at the time was "I don't know". All he knows is to preach about hope and change. I guess that did not get him PA nor will it get him the nomination. So people for NOBAMA, say AYE.

blake   April 23rd, 2008 12:15 am ET

Hillary is a strong woman, yet a very desperate one. She has done and will continue to do whatever it takes to win the nomination. The Clintons care more about their ego than the country's well being. She is a bitter OLD woman who feels we owe her the Presidency. She is a whinning, OLD fool who has to win because she will not have another chance to try if she looses. Hillary is pathetic

Il Teacher   April 23rd, 2008 12:15 am ET

Does anybody really care what the media has to say anymore?

Pradeep   April 23rd, 2008 12:14 am ET

There is considerable meanness against Sen. Obama in the right wing media. It is not difficult to see they are busy making a mountain out of a moe hill and tearing Obama apart. Naturally, some of it is making its way into Hillary camp. At the end of the day the democratic party will be the big loser, so big it would alienate a whole segment of voters for a long time to come. Hillary needs to quit if she must rely on such negativity to win a few delegates amounting to nothing important.

Meave   April 23rd, 2008 12:14 am ET

Noah, 12 million wasn't enough to educate PA!

Misty   April 23rd, 2008 12:14 am ET

At least somebody gets it right. New York Times– you have my support and I will buy you over LA Times– which is turning into a useless newspaper.
Hillary Clinton is SLEAZE

Noncorrupted Illinoisan   April 23rd, 2008 12:14 am ET

Yes, Obama's campaign spent lots in PA BUT most importantly he didn't pay "street money" which likely cost him a lot of votes.

From what I understand, the Clinton machine did pay out "street money," To Noah's point the, $12M in legitimate money could not buy PA but apparently "street money" did. If Clinton becomes President you'll see more of that in Washington ... more of the same. It'll be even uglier than it is now.

John   April 23rd, 2008 12:14 am ET

Just because Obama spent 2 or 3 to 1 on ads means nothing, she was leading by 30% at the start of the race at the end she might win by maybe 10% what happen to the other 20% support she had. So by Obama ads he showed their was another choice other then Clinton. Her negative comments on him will not help her either, Why did she laugh when the media asked her about why President Clinton received $800g from Columbia. I would have ran that as a negative ad against her. From where I sit I think she is hurting the Dem party, but then why should it matter to me I live in Canada. Good luck in electing a GOOD President. (She is she provoking Iran with a treat of nuclear attack?)

Paul Thornhill   April 23rd, 2008 12:13 am ET

The reality is that she was ahead by 30 points a few months ago, a win by 10, and Clinton will not win the majority of reaming contests.
I just finished watching Obama's speech, he inspires all Americans from the heart, soul and mind to be a forward thing country again, first time in 40 years. Clinton was ol time politics, it is time to change the way Washington works, only Obama is trying to do so.

Montana is Obama Country   April 23rd, 2008 12:13 am ET

NOT IN MONTANA...

She cannot be trusted for her ethics.. She was expected to win PA.. So that is no surprise.. only to the people how voted for her because she is sooo untrust-worthy..

The couple of delegates she wins will be easy for her to count. HA!

Yes... We.. Can.. is the Best for the Rest...........

v.ananthan   April 23rd, 2008 12:13 am ET

If democrats are smart they will elect a candidate who can beat Mccain and that is "Hillary Clinton".
CONGRATULATIONS HILLARY, GREAT WIN IN PENNSYLVANIA WITH 10 POINTS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
-Hillary 08.

Roberta, NC   April 23rd, 2008 12:13 am ET

Senator Obama said it, and I quote..."50% plus 1 is a win!" Congratulations Hillary, our next President! She has proven once again that you can knock her down but she will not stay down. The polls are already narrowing in North Carolina! We are going to deliver for Hillary on May 6!

Dee   April 23rd, 2008 12:13 am ET

Apparently it is working for her. It will get hotter than hades now and Obama will have to drop publicly his Mr. Nice persona and demonstrate himself as a typical politican or decide to be honest and nice and hold on for the tidal wave. He really does not understand religion. He needs to get a NIV BIBLE and read. He also needs a spiritual advisor to teach him THE WORD. If he really knew...
He could had depicted himself as Joseph in Eqypt but you have t know the story to get it. Joseph was there at the right time and the right moment to change the course of history. He must know too one can't praise the Lord and curse out of the same 'mouth'.
There is a change coming and he will lead it but he had better get that BIBLE an get some Understanding.

Jose Anguiano   April 23rd, 2008 12:13 am ET

You have the right to your individual opinion and personal preferences, but not to the facts and ideas to are out there universally and are the property of not one human being, male or female.

D. Riley   April 23rd, 2008 12:13 am ET

I absolutely agree with the NY times commentary. Her "Carl Rovian" tactics and pandering to the racist elements of our society will indeed devide the democratic party. Any other candidates political aspirations would have been destroyed after being so completely exposed (caught) in a lie, ie Bosnia, but apparently those who live in fear and bigotery are willing to overlook the obvious. The republicans owe this hateful woman a great deal of thanks....what was almost a sure thing for the democratic party has been reduced to a "maybe." She's campaigning on the wrong ticket.

The Patriot   April 23rd, 2008 12:13 am ET

The HRC supporters listenend and chose to support and/or turn a blind eye to the special influences. They listened and chose another candidate with family ties to the White House. They heard the politicized, exploited, and media induced controversies rather than listening to the voice that speaks to heal a corrupt and special intrest infested Washington. If HRC wins the nomination after having only won 14 of 44 contests, the US democracy will be viewed by the world as a big joke. I know...I see it first hand.

Karen in Ohio   April 23rd, 2008 12:13 am ET

You blame her for what happened? Where were you when you endorsed her months ago? You and her suppoters are backing her for what she does. Face it!

Clinton or McCain, but NEVER obama   April 23rd, 2008 12:13 am ET

NY Times................you are so wrong. Obama is rotten!

Sure   April 23rd, 2008 12:13 am ET

GO HILLARY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Chris in Va.   April 23rd, 2008 12:13 am ET

To ALL THE WAY HILLARY- And theRepublicans WON'T have a field day with Hillary? Is that what you are implying? God, you people are more delusional than we thought. It's almost worth a vote for Hil-liar-y to watch that movie. You have been crying that Obama has been too harsh, he hasn't even scratched the surface out of respect for the party, the Republicans will not be so kind. VOTE FOR HILLARY!!! When I think of it I would love to see them shine their boots on her arse.

D Montoya, El Paso, TX   April 23rd, 2008 12:12 am ET

She won a primary that she was expected to win. Who cares. Its just going to flip back the other way on the 6th....

Kyu Reisch, Radcliff, Kentucky   April 23rd, 2008 12:12 am ET

Nobama, INDIANA 4 HILLARY.
Kyu, KENTUCKY 4 HILLARY,
Kyu, WEST VIRGINIA 4 HILLARY,
Kyu, OREGON 4 HILLARY,
Kyu, MONTANA 4 HILLARY,
and Kyu, SOUTH DAKOTA 4 HILLARY.
HILLARY FOR THE 44TH PRESIDENT.

Shrill-arry   April 23rd, 2008 12:12 am ET

She changes the goal posts like her friend George. All of them are the same, seems like Obama is the only break away from the rut of the last 10 years. But I wonder how he will break our hearts too. Hey you want to make the world better folks, ride your bike to work one day every week this spring, summer, and fall.

Andrew   April 23rd, 2008 12:12 am ET

Everything they said is true. Clinton supporters say Obama supporters need to take off the blinders, I think it's also time you do as well. For those who talk about her being outspent or Obama spending $12 million; if she had the money, she would've spent the same if not more, so quit falling for that nonsense coming out of her mouth.

Dionis   April 23rd, 2008 12:12 am ET

He spent 12 million talking about REAL issues and defending himself against attack ads Hillary seems to thrive on. You people in PA are dense. You are just dragging this on longer than it needs to. For the first time throughout this primary I'm scared that the Republicans might actually win the presidency in '08. Hillary is hurting the party... if she quit a long time ago, she would've been guaranteed the VP spot. Now most democrats see her as a petty, arrogant fool who would do anything to win... even bring down her own party!

Drillbit   April 23rd, 2008 12:12 am ET

Get over it NYTimes. Let freedom ring and report the news. Hillary won PA. Obama did not.

What joy! The small towns in Pennsylvania proved tonight that every vote counts and they voted for Hillary Rodman Clinton. I think we still live in America.

Joe   April 23rd, 2008 12:12 am ET

Wow, it seems that I'm not the only one who thinks Clinton's campaign has adopted the politics of fear that has become a signature of Karl Rove.

OBAMA '08   April 23rd, 2008 12:12 am ET

What constitutes a win? Clinton argues that she is more electable because she can win the large states that "actually matter". Apparently, small states count for nothing, even though that's what put Obama in the lead. And a very important point – many of these large states are states which are traditionally democratic and would vote democrat even if the democratic candidate were a hamster. Would the more electable person be behind in every respect – popular vote, number of states won, and delegate count?

The Democratic party has an enormous problem. If the party chooses Clinton as the nominee despite her being the overall loser, I guarantee that the democratic party would lose me as a member.

edith mcneill   April 23rd, 2008 12:12 am ET

Reality check, Clinton won PA. I am glad that's over. Now we can wrap this up. We have Guam, NC and IN within the next two weeks.

Clinton really wants to win, I cna respect that. But we will not allow her to steal the nomination. We will turn this out if she gets the nomination over the votes we have cast collectively. She does not lead in delegates nor the popular vote. FL and MI do not count, she agreed to that.

We need to move on so the dems can win in Nov

Mike from California   April 23rd, 2008 12:11 am ET

35 years of experience and she can't beat a 2nd year senator. What does that tell you. What people fail to realize is Obama is and always has been the underdog. Clinton had a 20 point lead going into PA. Obama narrowed it to 10. Now we have NC and IN coming up. Clinton will not win either of those. Then she will move the goal post again. What will her excuse be then. She is out of money, Obama still has more delegates and has won twice as many states.

IT'S OVER HILLARY SUPPORTERS SAVE YOUR MONEY!!!!!!!

Jim K   April 23rd, 2008 12:11 am ET

Everyone seems to forget why Obama has so much more money than the entrenched Clinton machine- because he has so much more nationwide support than she does, much better organization, and he has always planned to campaign for voters in all 50 states. Pennsylvania voters were duped since Clinton never had any intention of campaigning there until she suddenly found herself behind. And why is it that educated voters- ie, smarter people- vote for Obama? Do we really want a president who is the choice of the dumber half of America? Isn't that how we got George Bush?

Jennsie   April 23rd, 2008 12:11 am ET

It's time for the media to step aside and let the candidates run their campaigns. Pundits don't have crystal balls, are not better than anyone else, and this is no land of Oz.

My vote is for Hillary.

deidre   April 23rd, 2008 12:11 am ET

She gained over 200,000 in the popular vote Bill in PA.

NYT, isn't that the newspaper that threw smut at McCain with no real proof???????????????????

JIm   April 23rd, 2008 12:11 am ET

Looks like the SP far lefters at the NY Times want the far left Golden Boy Obama to win. Obama voted the most liberal in the Senate and spoke about posiotively about the changes in the immigration bill but then did not vote for the compromises. Looks like Obama is a unifier of the Democratic party but will not unite us as a whole. He will be more of a wedge for this country than GWB.

A.M. Saqib   April 23rd, 2008 12:10 am ET

Great informative and very acurate comment by New York Times, perhaps they are re-thinking their endorsement.

Pennsylvania victory gave her so far a six delegate vote edge over 'Obama'.

'Obama' for ..08!

A.M. Saqib
Houston, Texas

Willus   April 23rd, 2008 12:10 am ET

Bill,

I'm sorry that so many in your state are so stupid too. HRC's shameless pandering should be offensive to those at whom it's directed. Pennsylvanians could have done us all a favor and ended the misery by voting Obama, even if they weren't crazy about him. The Clintons' disdain for the truth and win-at-all-costs approach are the most unsettling things I've ever witnessed from anyone on the national stage in the Democratic party. Americans will all be better off once she's finally knocked out of the race. I just hope the "pundits" recognize that HRC's victory has done nothing to enhance her chances at the nomination due to the minimal delgate gain it afforded her.

Let's go Indiana and North Carolina!

Ted From Edmonton   April 23rd, 2008 12:10 am ET

No more negative than Obama. The New York Times is not the paper it used to be. Who cares!

Michael Eastman   April 23rd, 2008 12:10 am ET

How does Clinton staying in this race, a race which she CAN NOT WIN, help the country? democratic party? This constant negative campaign of hers is dragging this thing out, when it should have been over weeks ago. Unreal. Everyone say it with me, "Congratulations President McCain."

J Williamson   April 23rd, 2008 12:10 am ET

Bill W. from PA – do the math. How many delegates have been chosen, thus far, out of the 158 which will come as a direct result of this primary (?) Seems that there are many more to be decided and with a 55-45 split (it's 12;10a.m. Wed) our girl Hillary will get more.

NO NO NOBAMA   April 23rd, 2008 12:10 am ET

Cnn Stop
We love Hillary
We love Clinton
Go Hillary
No more NoBama

dallasiteforhillary   April 23rd, 2008 12:10 am ET

Didn't someone hear say that a 10 point win and she has made it? She will net well over 200,000 in popular vote our of this ONE primary. THANK YOU PENNSYLVANIA!

I know for sure there are people from earlier primaries knowing what they know now about Obama would like to change their vote.

Going to donate to Hillary Clinton.

A4Obama   April 23rd, 2008 12:10 am ET

Where is mayor Nutter in that picture...he's already irrelevant after delivering crucial black votes to Hillary? Nutter, fight for what is yours....you put your neck out for your girl, she owes you big time. I don't think you were doing it out of the goodness of your heart when 65% of your town residents were for Obama. You go Nutter!

Brett   April 23rd, 2008 12:09 am ET

The reason she is viewed as so negative is the fact that the media refuses to talk about Obama's own negativity. Why? Because all Obama has to do is say something like "I don't play those type of politics" or "This is typical DC....we need to change this," and the media completely forgets that he ever said something negative in the first place. Essentially he just has to say "No I'm not negative" and the media eats it right up and leaves him alone. This election season has been chock full of amazingly horrible coverage. Its time for the media to drop favoritism and start reporting. Journalism 101 – Leave your bias out of your reporting!!!

Sue   April 23rd, 2008 12:09 am ET

Spn all you want to folks but if you don't have the money it can't be spent. Or should I just say Hillary outspent Obama on Super Tuesday, that's why she is broke, but where did that money get her.

Jane, NC   April 23rd, 2008 12:09 am ET

Senqtor Clinton has been no more negative than Senator Obama. Stop saying she has! You know, the public really does have minds of their own; we don't necessarily buy into something because you say it.

Robert   April 23rd, 2008 12:09 am ET

Small win for HRC, its still a long road, and all this stuff she is bringing out, remember what goes around comes around.

Go get 'em Hillary!   April 23rd, 2008 12:09 am ET

Hillary Clinton won fair and square tonight and she's doing a fine job. Political advertisements are notoriously controversial and, well, if they get the job done, they are successful. Let's not focus on advertisements and the supposedly extreme negative tone of the campaigning. If either Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton is going to be the nominee they're going to have to take a lot of negativity and this is good practice and is NOTHING compared to what the Republicans are just waiting to unleash. Frankly, the fact that Sen. Clinton is still standing strong is truly impressive. When will these two brilliant candidates of historical proportions realize that the best bet for both of them is a Clinton-Obama ticket in '08 followed by an Obama presidency 8 years down the line! That's also our best bet to get this country its prestige, glory, and respect back! Democrats Unite! Clinton Obama!!! Hill-Bama '08!!!

John in KY   April 23rd, 2008 12:09 am ET

Hey NYT politics are a bit negative at times so don't subject yourself to the negatives unless you also have quite a bit of positives on your side also! (Can't take the heat stay out of the FIRE!) leave the lady be!!!

Go Hillary 08!

Charles   April 23rd, 2008 12:09 am ET

A good win for Hillary. If she does get the nomination I will vote in November – for John McCain.

s.positive   April 23rd, 2008 12:09 am ET

LIARS WILL ALWAYS VOTE LIARS. A LIAR WILL NOT GO NEAR OUR WHITEHOUSE. WE DO NOT WANT IT STAINED AS IN THE 90S

mimi de la cruz for OBAMA   April 23rd, 2008 12:09 am ET

ALL HILLARY GOT IS 3 DELEGATES MORE THAN OBAMA.

THAT DOESN'T EVEN GET HER CLOSE TO AN IF.BUT

SHE HAS MANAGED TO DIVIDE THIS NATION EVEN MORE

THAN BUSH, TO THE DNC SHAME & INCOMPETENCE.

fran   April 23rd, 2008 12:08 am ET

Just donated again to Hillary. The more the big guys...and I do mean guys, try to push her out of the race, the more they make me and others like me, support her even more than before. SHE WON by double digets and she's going to be our next president. And call me crazy, but let's hope the next president rolls up her sleeves and goes after the person who is responsible for 911. It's not fear tactics to remind this country that he's still out there and we have to make sure the person in charge this time around, goes after and gets him.
GO HILLARY!!! All the way.

Amy   April 23rd, 2008 12:08 am ET

Thank you, NY Times. No matter how she tries to spin it, she went very negative in this campaign and is hurting the party. Not that she cares about the party. She knows it's over, we all do. She's trying to keep it alive, but it's dead. Obama will win the nod, unless she steals it which would be a huge blow to the party. The supers need to step in.

Art from Texas   April 23rd, 2008 12:08 am ET

How is it that a 10 point win becomes a "thump"(CNN) when she lost 10 points off her lead? The Democratic leaders should finish this soon, or I'll take Hillary's hint and vote for McCain. Thanks "best political team"; you just lost my vote

s.b.   April 23rd, 2008 12:08 am ET

Sorry, how exactly is a double digit victory inconclusive when your opponent outspends you 3:1 and shatters all campaign spending records?

Brian   April 23rd, 2008 12:08 am ET

CNN should post the Wall Street Journal Editorial by Dorothy Rabinowitz as well.

Fair is fair CNN.

Richard   April 23rd, 2008 12:08 am ET

It's impossible for Clinton to gain on the delegate count Obama already has.

Get over it people.

Obama gets the nomination.

Di   April 23rd, 2008 12:08 am ET

were the ny times this outraged when gwb and the republicans used fear tactics the last 2 general election campaigns? what she did was NOTHING compared to that...... what gives?

Austin TX   April 23rd, 2008 12:07 am ET

The best quality we should look for is personal "integrity." Clinton will do anything to win. I don't like her meanness and dishonesty.

Her lie about Bosnia was a "mistake"? Why a deliberate lie that was told three times is a "mistake"?

I know you want to continue your royalty status Bill and Hilary at all cost... I am concerned that so many people are fooled by your never delivered promise of free healthcare for all. I've read your lips enough.

margie   April 23rd, 2008 12:07 am ET

The New York Times is irrelevant.

Richie,pa   April 23rd, 2008 12:07 am ET

I commend Obama. He didn't have the machine that Clintons had in Pa. Let's see if she will win with that margin in Kentuky, Indiana, and the rest of the contests. Obama should not allow them to destroy him. It shouldn't happen and shouldn't be give all the air time Hillary has been having. The democratic party is heading to a wreckage.
Someone gonna say I told you so. I don't know who gave Howard dean that job!

Ryan   April 23rd, 2008 12:07 am ET

For everyone claiming that the NYT is just supporting their darling, remember that they endorsed CLINTON! But they have eyes like everyone else and are just calling it as they see it. Everyone but the Hillbots can tell that She has been the one interjecting negativity into every aspect of this race.

libby   April 23rd, 2008 12:07 am ET

The NYT is actually posting an editorial letter from the Obama campaign. Why is the CNN reporting it is the "New York Times?"

Bitter Tommy in St. Louis   April 23rd, 2008 12:07 am ET

Well, the New York Times isn't saying anything we didn't already know.

dAnnE   April 23rd, 2008 12:07 am ET

Has anyone heard the phrase, you won the battle, but we are winning the war? How can the tide be turning we she was expected to win this battle? The bigger point is that Obama is STILL winning in every aspect. Hillary supporters, please think about this... would you really be happy if this was reversed and Obama was saying he is winning when he is in fact behind? Can we be rational for once?

ALL THE WAY HILLARY!   April 23rd, 2008 12:07 am ET

why don't you send a reporter to Florida and report on how they feel about NOT having their votes count!!!!!!!! Do something good for the nation vs. saying normal political sparring is wrong.

I am sooooooooooo upset with you to accuse ME and MY STATE of being NEGATIVE-LEAD around.

WE are smart hard working people who believe Hillary is the best candidate to beat McCain and run the country.

I don't believe negative ads work, or fear mongering. IF YOU don't believe these are scary times, then get your head out of the sand.

I'll never buy a NYTimes again~

Traveling Writer   April 23rd, 2008 12:07 am ET

Why is this still even being called a race? If Clinton wins 68 – 32 percent in every remaining contest, she still loses by 4 delegates. That doesn't sound like a race to me!

J Williamson   April 23rd, 2008 12:07 am ET

Barack threw his own Grandmother under the bus to quell the "Rev" Wright controversy – using one's Grandmother as road-kill strikes me as the most negative campaign tactic in the history of American politics.

john in sf   April 23rd, 2008 12:06 am ET

Hillary has become a member of the "Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy" and I am thankful that the NYTimes realized their error in endorsing her. CNN, ABC and FOX (also perhaps MSNBC) are jumping up and down, because their profit margins would soar if pro-business Hillary were elected.

Hillary is trying to get elected by exploiting low-information voters and some women who are voting based on gender. When Obama is elected, he will have won via African-Americans who are voting based on race, other African-Americans who are voting for the better candidate and the educated.

Obama is the leader of the real Democratic Party. The Party of Roosevelt and Kennedy. Clinton wants to lead the Reagan Democrats and kill our party, and thus our nation.

This whole process disgusts me. The country now rests on the shoulders of Indiana (because Hillary can't come back at all in NC like Obama did in PA, VA, DE, TX, OH, etc. etc. etc. This 9-10 point victory is one of the biggest of her campaigns and she got it via blatant misrepresentations of fact and calling Obama a Muslim.

I'm becoming an EU citizen. This is ridiculous.

ArtC   April 23rd, 2008 12:06 am ET

The NyTimes as well as other liberal media is so one sided in its critiques of Hillary and have become apostles of Obama. Mr. Obama is in some ways worse than Bush in that he's a bought and paid for politician and he's doing everything he can to win even tarnish the party and our once great leader Mr. Clinton. Obama can only wish he as one one hundreth of the leader that President Clinton was. But to his credit he's a great orator and he's at least not a dishonorable coward like Richardson is. His followers, are also delussional and unfortunately misguided.

Michael G Ventura, CA   April 23rd, 2008 12:06 am ET

To say Obama has "nothing to show for it" (money spent in PA)-Are you serious? Look where he came from -33% down! The popular vote gains she had tonight in PA will be washed away in NC and IN–The delegate gain was minimal at best. Perhaps time spent slamming Obama should be used on a Math tutor!

s.b.   April 23rd, 2008 12:06 am ET

How exactly is a double digit victory inconclusive?

Mike from California   April 23rd, 2008 12:06 am ET

And when you donate to Hillary remember.....she is 10 million in the hole. HA HA HA!

Andy   April 23rd, 2008 12:06 am ET

I can't wait to shop at the Manhattan Walmart in five years!

Craig, Seattle, WA   April 23rd, 2008 12:06 am ET

Poor babies... Can't little Obama take the heat???.... If not, maybe he shouldn't RUN!

william pappas   April 23rd, 2008 12:05 am ET

the ultra left wing just can't stand a woman or a Clinton winning anywhere–the NYT is a has been paper and carries little reputation of any note–it best days are behind it and it should stand up for their editorial nominee instead of ripping on her –get into reality ,the enemy is bush not the Dems

HoMnn   April 23rd, 2008 12:05 am ET

Women outweigh men 59%-41%, 15% potential edge, she only won by 5%. And most democratic men are whipped anyway.

N Kannan   April 23rd, 2008 12:05 am ET

Bill and Hillary have successfully turning this campaign into one of race. That never fails, does it?

Bomb Bomb Bomb Hillary   April 23rd, 2008 12:05 am ET

She seems a little to excited about this miniscule addtion to delegates. If she were really the woman she says she is why is she still behind? Why hasn't she got the nomination?
Doesn't look like she ever will.

david goldmen for OBAMA   April 23rd, 2008 12:05 am ET

THIS IS A VICTORY FOE OBAMA, AS THIS GIVES HER

ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. SHE KNOWS SHE HAS LOST,

BUT SOME FORWARD MOVEMENT, HOWEVER SMALL ,

WILL GET SOME MORE MONEY FROM THOSE THAT HAVE

ALREADY PAID IN. THAT IS CALLED DEBT RETIREMENT.

Chris in Va.   April 23rd, 2008 12:05 am ET

You had better watch out Hillary, the home crowd is on to you and you are going to need a job pretty soon. Then I guess you could always run for Senator from Pennsylvania, they have proved themselves worthy of Her Highness.

John, Marietta, GA   April 23rd, 2008 12:05 am ET

Yes she won Penn, Uneducated white folks will never vote for Obama becasue "you know why", so to base a loss on some people's ignorance is unfair. We all know their Governor even said they would never vote for Obama. I am just glad 48 other states are different from penn and Ohio.....Two weeks to NC, and we have our nominee.

Xanadude of Velen   April 23rd, 2008 12:05 am ET

The New York Times........the original Waffel Press!

Hillary WILL be president!

Bruce TX   April 23rd, 2008 12:05 am ET

well after all CNN and the Electoral College , Gave us BUSH, Hum wonder if we can Hold them Liable, I say dissolve the Electoral College and Hold the Media Libel for there False reporting! and well after Primary CNN will be Pro McCain anyways!

George   April 23rd, 2008 12:05 am ET

The NY Times should just shut up. They have proven to everyone that they are not a journalist newspaper, just a political paper. They are so out of date.

ND   April 23rd, 2008 12:05 am ET

Hillary's ads pale in comparison to those the Republicans hope to run against her this fall. Just look back to 1993 and you'll have a complete playbook: Travelgate, Whitewater, billing records, and other things that'll make Hillary's "heat" seem like a cool spring breeze.

Anthony   April 23rd, 2008 12:05 am ET

There was another President with just one term in Congress before he became President. Lincoln, it is life experience that is important.
Clinton's life experience is showing her true colors now, and it is a shame.

matt   April 23rd, 2008 12:04 am ET

and the psycho farthest left liberals are at it again, trying to hurt the perfect democrat.

Obama filled my mailbox with EVIL FLIERS

Anonymous   April 23rd, 2008 12:04 am ET

She aint no lay!

bertha   April 23rd, 2008 12:04 am ET

Hillary should quit. The media is in bed with clintons. From Texas to PA for six weeks, Obama had a very bad media coverage.
Go obama. You have all what you need. She netted small delegates win and the media is not saying this and it is not ready say she already lost.

matt   April 23rd, 2008 12:04 am ET

Clinton backers will cut off their nose to spite their face. They don't care if the democratic party goes down in flames in November if their candidate can't win. She has NO shot at the nomination – but that doesn't deter her or her supporters from slinging as much mud as they can. McCain and the repugs couldn't possibly be happier.

ABPA   April 23rd, 2008 12:04 am ET

GO!!! HILLARY!!! PA CAN SEE THAT OBAMAS "HOPE" IS NOTHING BUT A EMPTY SUIT . HILLARY 08 ALL THE WAY

Obama 08   April 23rd, 2008 12:03 am ET

Congrats to Hillary. Still, I will never support her.

MJ   April 23rd, 2008 12:03 am ET

The ad had nothing to do with scare tactics. What is it that the Republicans will use against the Democrats in November? They will make the statment that the Democrats are weak on National Security, and they will be right if we condemn Hillary Clinton for posting an ad such as this. We need to take a clear stand that the Democrats will not back down from these events. BTW, the ad had a quick glimpse of Osama bin Laden, it also had imageries of Katrina, etc. Let's start focusing on how to make the party stronger, than condemning one of our own. Stop whining, and grow a pair. What do you think the Republicans will do to you in the fall!!!! NY TIMES, no wonder the sales of your paper is down 26%.

HoMnn   April 23rd, 2008 12:03 am ET

If Hillary wins, then that could mean 8 yrs GBush Sr, 8 yrs Clinton, 8yrs Bush Jr. 8 Yrs Clinton II, thats 32 yrs of presidents from two families, Ridiculous , No,

KLJ   April 23rd, 2008 12:03 am ET

This is what I just wrote to the NYT:

I will be canceling my NYT subscription tomorrow. To pretend that Clinton is the one evading real discussion of the issues is almost too much to read...And to sustain the myth that the Obama campaign has not been equally negative, spare me! Can you really believe that the thought of an Obama presidency does not strike fear into many hearts? He's an inexperienced, arrogant, untried first-term senator with a clear aversion to making hard decisions. Sorry NYT you've lost me...(not because you're being "mean" to my candidate - boo-hoo - but because your journalistic/editorial instincts seem off-base)

Indiana Adrian   April 23rd, 2008 12:03 am ET

What about Obama's negative campaigning in PA?!?! of course if this were Obama's victory, CNN would not be posting this. The media will only acknowledge her win for so long before they remind us who they want to win.

Kyu Reisch, Radcliff, Kentucky   April 23rd, 2008 12:03 am ET

Bill W PA, your State voters are smarter than Obama and his supporters, you are stupid and blind, they know what they are doing but Obama and his supporter, you don't know what are you doing.

Mike in PA   April 23rd, 2008 12:02 am ET

I can't believe people are still voting for her. I apologize for the poor judgment here in my state.

kingsley   April 23rd, 2008 12:02 am ET

Hilliary need to be investigated. maybe she is on Karl Rove payroll with Mcsame.. The super deligates are all bills friends who are waiting for her to multiply her wins so they can come out and endorse her.

Nick F.   April 23rd, 2008 12:02 am ET

Clinton wins by 10% in PA where the demographics favor her, but if she won every remaining contest by the same margin (fat chance) and the 311 undeclared superdelegates also go for her 55% to 45%, Obama still wins handily on the first ballot. Simple math. Her campaign is broke, and she faces Indiana (where she could at best win a close victory, and North Carolina where Obama has been ahead for months in the polls. She is a spent force. Its time to back Obama and win in November.

USAF Sr. Airman   April 23rd, 2008 12:02 am ET

Well let's see... she is still lacking popular vote and delegates. How in her mind she feels she in entitled to the nomination even though she is behind is beyond me. Her tactics are career suicide.

john a white man for truth, peace and harmony   April 23rd, 2008 12:02 am ET

Too late to call her on bluff you liberalistics paper! White racists Penn have made their minds known and I think they will lose. Penn can go to hell all those illiterate racists because they are evil.

Thank you Penn for making the race close though even when you have losers that are crazy not wanting a black man. We must WIN this WAr against racism and illiteracy. Thank God the Penn nightmare is over because Obama will make up the difference after IN and NC.

And please don't get me started on the money he spent for the Penn race because this is a man running against a well established name like the Clintons to make himself known.

Interesting   April 23rd, 2008 12:02 am ET

And they are important?

Please, they need to shut up and be quiet and let both of them rumble.

Eugene   April 23rd, 2008 12:02 am ET

The editorial listened today...and chose.... their words well. The Times is probably now having serious buyers' remorse over their endorsement of Sen. Clinton.

Dustin   April 23rd, 2008 12:02 am ET

Unfortunately, Senator Clinton has to focus on the bad things about him because the media won't. They point out every flaw she has, and seem to blow by the fact that his own supporters can't name legistlative accomplishments of his.

He out spent her in general 3 to 1 on advertisements (many of which were negative)

She still won.

Why can't he win?

We need a winner.

(PS Electorally she would have him beat in a general election)

greenfun   April 23rd, 2008 12:02 am ET

He dumps unbelievable amounts of money in the state and loses by double digits–still can't pull off a big state. Pennsylvania chose SUBSTANCE over speeches. YIIPPPEEEEEEEEEEE

58 old white ladies for OBAMA   April 23rd, 2008 12:01 am ET

WHEN YOU LACK INTELLECT, HONESTY AND INTEGRITY,

NEGATIVITY FOR SOME WILL DO.

KP in CA   April 23rd, 2008 12:01 am ET

Did you expect anything less from this tasteless lying candidate? Don't be fooled she wants to win no matter what the cost is. If she will slap the face of her home state with that commercial, what do you think she will do to the rest of USA? She will sell her soul to the devil to become President, if she hasn't already!

Heather, New Zealand   April 23rd, 2008 12:01 am ET

At some time in the past one of your Presidents decided to adopt the moniker of "Leader of the Free World". Now I hear that Hillary Clinton will "obliterate" another country. Those of us who live in the free world would like to be able to vote for Mr Obama. Unfortunately we can't so its up to you Americans to remember to look outside your borders when electing your next President. The incumbent has been a disaster for the free world.

Bayou Joe   April 23rd, 2008 12:01 am ET

So much for non partisan reporting. The New York times owes the supporters of Hillary a big apology. The liberals don't get it, we don't want Obama in the whitehouse.

The next time NY gets hit by Osama Bin Laden call on the Obama crowd to come to your aid.

Tim in NY   April 23rd, 2008 12:01 am ET

Unfortunately, she is going to see this as a ringing endorsement of the Rovian tactics that eeked out a win for her in PA. I think we can expect nothing but more of the same and worse from Mrs Clinton.

Mr Obama needs to remember that staying above they fray and taking the high road brought a lot of voters to him in the first place. His 'new kind of politics' was a change for the better. Now he's sliding into the mire that Mrs Clinton feels so at home in.

In the end, if the negativity persists I think we will see voters who were inspired to come out for the Primary stay home. Whomever the Democratic Nominee is, they need to seem to be a new, kinder, smarter and more stable politician or we will see a 12 year Republican Reign.

That idea kinda puts it in perspective, doesn't it.

Janice Hough   April 23rd, 2008 12:01 am ET

Buyer's remorse from tne New York Times?

It's about time.

Dave   April 23rd, 2008 12:01 am ET

Ya, she did what needed to be done. If Obama and his cult can't handle the heat, go home to AFRICA!!!!!!!!
HILLARY 08

tired of the stupidity   April 23rd, 2008 12:01 am ET

and y does the money thing matter so much to everybody. shes broke he s not he can do whatever he wants because he has the means to so what get over it. If she was so great she would have 40 million dollars and be in the lead. lets see how she does every place else.

Lewis   April 23rd, 2008 12:01 am ET

Word up, SLO Bear.

Chris Gibson   April 23rd, 2008 12:00 am ET

Hilary's comment on obliterating Iran shows her complete lack of experience and commonsense. All it would achieve would be no oil for 50 years, increased costs and political instability or did she just misspeak for effect knowing that what she said would never happen because wiser heads would stop her. This is not a person who should ever run a country.

NMT   April 23rd, 2008 12:00 am ET

I sometimes wonder whether hilary voters are just plain ignorant..how can you not tell a lie, dirty politics, etc when it faces them so so clearly and openly???. How can they not understand integrity. This really buffles me voters.....people would rather support a liar, than a man with integrity???
I am from Canada and I am shocked at you Americans!!!Bring Obama here....we shalll vote for him!!!!

Ron R   April 23rd, 2008 12:00 am ET

The only winners tonight are the news stations. They get what they want which is 2 more weeks of good TV.....what a country!

PCS / North Carolina   April 23rd, 2008 12:00 am ET

Jay in Kansas wrote April 22nd, 2008 11:54 pm ET

"PS.. did you know there are entire courses on diplomacy? Foreign experience is a must for ANY president. "

Foreign experience taking sniper fire ?

Paul Mennen   April 23rd, 2008 12:00 am ET

The New York Times may be right - but guess what? It works!! I can't fault her for using every option available at her disposal. Hey, folks. Politics is a dirty business. She understands more than anyone how dirty politics can be - but Obama thinks this should be a genteel sport.

If she didn't try every possible thing, I would be disappointed in her. She's the only man in the running.

Fishers IN   April 23rd, 2008 12:00 am ET

Barack Hussein Obama will never be President of the USA.

Hillary Clinton '08 & '12

Peter Kavanagh   April 23rd, 2008 12:00 am ET

The New York Times needs to understand that it doesn't matter matter how much destruction they cause to the democratic party .
All that matters is that they get back into the white house . The rest of the human race serves them and the corporate interests they represent .

Please Indiana and North Carolina , won't you deliver us from our national nightmare .

Obama 08 !!!

Yes We Can !!!

Glenn   April 23rd, 2008 12:00 am ET

Hillary is a dark symptom in American politics. She attracts voters who place great value in dishonesty, lying, negativity and divisiveness. PA voters proved they were up to the task to sink to her low depths.They have wasted they votes and money on a losing cause in the end.

After further review,Texas   April 22nd, 2008 11:59 pm ET

Shes a disgrace.She thinks she can get away with it and we will forget by nov. but she is WRONG.

CHI   April 22nd, 2008 11:59 pm ET

We just made more donation to Hillary again.

I wonder how much NOBAMA paid to NY Times for today's editorial asking Hillary to dropout.

Shame on you NYT. This is why I don't subscribe NYT.

NOBAMA is so bitter loosing PA... I think he is clinging to his "GUN" and religion (getting advise from Rev Wright).

Go Hillary.....

Truthteller   April 22nd, 2008 11:59 pm ET

Man, that pantsuit is almost as unflattering as her character.

DemocracyNow2008   April 22nd, 2008 11:59 pm ET

Clinton is the Dog and the Dogs around her are vicious.

Her whole campaign has been negative and her supporters follow her lead into the Trash can and Gutter Politics.

I hope the good people of Indiana and North Carolina really give to Clinton and like a Wrestling match knock her out once and for all.

The New York Times got it right .

To bad they endorsed such a Liar and vicious person for President.

Clinton needs to be put in the Dog Pound .

Obama Yes We can 08

Noah   April 22nd, 2008 11:59 pm ET

They did, and they are wrong...but CNN, they also had tough words for Obama, so why is that not the headline. I am so sick of the media,Obama supporters and the internet in general. Nothing but spin, with hypocrites around every corner.

Congrats Senator Clinton. Amazing victory..Guess 12 million could not buy PA.

Average Joe   April 22nd, 2008 11:57 pm ET

WEll written. It seems that all see can think about is beating Obama and not look ahead to the GE. All spin. All lies. An the press loves it as well.

SLO Bear   April 22nd, 2008 11:57 pm ET

I'm going to start buying the New York Times again. Superdelegates should show similar backbone.

Texican   April 22nd, 2008 11:56 pm ET

WOW, the Liberal Media couldn't wait to slam Our First Lady.
Wonder what she did to piss them off. Maybe they regret all the money they have put on Obama and have nothing to show for it.

Ron R   April 22nd, 2008 11:56 pm ET

Her own state knows what Hillary is all about...WAKE UP AMERICA!!

ALL THE WAY HILLARY!   April 22nd, 2008 11:54 pm ET

NY Times..... YOU missed the boat on your accusations. OBAMA spent 12million on ads, and he put his best foot forward and WE IN PA said NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, so stick your negative-spin to bed.

PS. your paper blows. The media is what is NEGATIVE and the republicans will KILL OBAMA if he is elected.

mjaber   April 22nd, 2008 11:54 pm ET

Go New York Times!!!!!!!!!!!
You have a point, Clinton is very negative...

Jay in Kansas   April 22nd, 2008 11:54 pm ET

CNN just can't wait to spin it.. she WON. Stop trying to bring her down!

Help wanted/ Experience required

PS.. did you know there are entire courses on diplomacy? Foreign experience is a must for ANY president. Treaties aren't negotiated on "hope and change"

D. Stevenson   April 22nd, 2008 11:53 pm ET

Get over it CNN -Hillary Clinton has won by double digits. She is in. Remember what you said. DOUBLE DIGITS DOES It!! i AM NOW DONATING MY MONEY HER WAY!!!!!!!

NObama   April 22nd, 2008 11:53 pm ET

NY TIMES IS JUST TRYING TO PLAY FAIR SINCE THEY ENDORSED SENATOR CLINTON...

BUT THEY KNOW, LIKE EVERYONE ELSE....

MR. OBAMA'S "HOPE & CHANGE" IS JUST A FARCE
THE OBAMA CAMPAIGN SPENT MILLION$ & MILLION$ (IN SOME CASES 4 TO 1 ON NEGATIVE ATTACKS AGAINST HILLARY....

....AND WHAT HAPPENED?

HILLARY WON !!!!!

INDIANA
4
HILLARY

Bill W - PA   April 22nd, 2008 11:52 pm ET

With 97% reported, it looks like she stands to gain 3 whole delegates.
So what did she really win?

Again, I am sorry that so many in my state are so stupid.

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