April 24th, 2008
12:16 PM ET
6 years ago

The popular vote debate

If Michigan and Florida are counted, Sen. Hillary Clinton is ahead in the popular vote.
If Michigan and Florida are counted, Sen. Hillary Clinton is ahead in the popular vote.

(CNN) - Sen. Hillary Clinton is arguing that she is ahead of rival Sen. Barack Obama when it comes to the popular vote.

"I'm very proud that as of today, I have received more votes by the people who have voted than anyone else," Clinton said Wednesday, one day after her decisive win in Pennsylvania.

Not so fast, says Obama's campaign. Clinton's count includes her wins in Michigan and Florida, but the Democratic presidential candidates agreed not to campaign in those states because they violated party rules by scheduling their contests too early.

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soundoff (627 Responses)
  1. Kenn

    Let's see. She got 55 percent of the vote in Michigan; Does that mean that 45 percent voted for "Anyone, Please, But Clinton?" Wouldn't it seem fair to at least give those to Obama when adding things up? And she got only 49 percent of the vote in Florida. So would it make sense to give the 51 percent who voted against her to Obama?

    April 24, 2008 12:51 pm at 12:51 pm |
  2. tahu

    The arrogance.

    If she changes these rules, she will be no better than Bush, Cheney and Co. who often change the rules for there own liking.

    April 24, 2008 12:51 pm at 12:51 pm |
  3. Sabrina

    Michigan voter, you could have stayed home or voted undecided. Obama had whole crew calling people tell them to vote undecided so she woiuld get less votes and it would make her look not as strong They had a lot of people work for Obama. People like you scare me.

    April 24, 2008 12:51 pm at 12:51 pm |
  4. Audrey

    Both candidates signed a pledge not to count FL and MI because they move up their primaries. Now Clinton wants to change the rules and forget about her signed pledge. What does that say about her if she becomes the nominee? She can't be trusted to keep her word or pledge to the people of the United States. Do we want that? That is the question.

    April 24, 2008 12:51 pm at 12:51 pm |
  5. James

    Michigan Voter:

    Maybe you should be scared of Obama...he won't agree to a re-vote. Wonder why? maybe he thinks you are too 'bitter' and are too busy playing with your guns in church like all mindless small town Americans. His belief, not mine.

    April 24, 2008 12:51 pm at 12:51 pm |
  6. Real Change

    For anybody who cares to be the least bit honest about this, this proves the incredible disingenuousness of this woman. She is presenting herself as the heartfelt heroine of Florida and Michigan while presenting a formula that does not count Iowa, Nevada, Maine and Washington. These states held caucuses not primaries.

    Apparently it doesn’t matter as much that those people are left disaffected by the system. It’s unclear why (wink wink).

    April 24, 2008 12:52 pm at 12:52 pm |
  7. kayla

    HILLARY IT IS TIME YOU GROW UP. HOW IN THE WORLD YOU ARE COUNTING FLORIDA AND MICHIGAN? YOU LOOK AND SOUND SO REDICULOUS. I AM SO GLAD FOR THE PRIMARIES THAT I GOT TO KNOW THE REAL HILLARY CLINTON. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YOU NEED HELP!

    April 24, 2008 12:52 pm at 12:52 pm |
  8. Jeff, Boston MA

    Hillary-

    Comments like this make you seem dumb, underhanded, and willing to say anything to win. Stop claiming victory when you acknowledged that these States would not count.

    April 24, 2008 12:52 pm at 12:52 pm |
  9. Bill-C-Bus OH

    I would like to know what the actual vote count would be if all the rebuplican voters that 'switched' were removed. I read all over where they are just voting to vote. NOT because they care. Then they go back to being repucklicans in November.

    We judge others for rigged elections.

    This needs to end. I still may support HRC if it comes down to it but she is just making things look worse for herself and us as a party. I am trying to teach my daughter that you can not go back and change the rules once the game is on so you can benifit. Some role model this makes.

    April 24, 2008 12:52 pm at 12:52 pm |
  10. Jesse

    At first she said the voters are the most important decider in this election during the first part of her campaign. Now her tone is screw the people, Superdelegates matter. Why cant people see that she dosen't care about the people. She only cares about her legacy and getting the one up over Bill.

    April 24, 2008 12:52 pm at 12:52 pm |
  11. Fred, Atlanta, GA

    This woman is so delusional it's sickening not sure why her supporters don't question why she is back tracking on FL and MI when she flat out said those states would not count. But no they want to blame obama by saying he doesn't want to do a re-vote which is so untrue and all these delusional Billary supporters know it. Someone in her camp or one of her supporters really needs to explain to her that she's DELUSIONAL, she's sleep walking and needs to WAKE UP!!!!

    April 24, 2008 12:52 pm at 12:52 pm |
  12. Niel, NY

    One thing is sure for me now. Wherever I get a chance on whatever election, I Will Vote Against Clintons.

    My idea of candidate's qualification: He/She must contest against Clintons.

    Karl Rove might be getting some tips from Clinton's campaign.

    Dude, this country is going for a Monarchy.
    see the president's history:
    Bush,Clinton,Clinton,Bush,Bush
    Future: Clinton,Clinton,Jeb Bush, Bush,Chelsea Clinton,Clinton,

    April 24, 2008 12:52 pm at 12:52 pm |
  13. Obama Voter 08

    Keep dreaming sister. The woman is incredible – an incredible liar, crook, decietful....Look, if she can't manage her campaign finances how do yall expect her to do the right math. BY the way isn't she in court today or is it tommorrow because of campaign fraud. Can't wait to hear about that.

    April 24, 2008 12:52 pm at 12:52 pm |
  14. Stop that Woman!

    This is a clear sign of psychosis!

    April 24, 2008 12:52 pm at 12:52 pm |
  15. chayaspector

    wow, a bit scary how blind she is to think that the florida votes count for anything or should...Not the type of person I want to see in the White House, who knows what else she might "believe".

    April 24, 2008 12:53 pm at 12:53 pm |
  16. vic nashville,Tn

    She has valid reason to claim the victory in MI and FL
    1) Obama told his supporter to vote for undecided in MI
    2) Obama’s name was in the ballet in FL

    Ok Dean said MI and Fl violate the DNC rule they got punished fine

    We are Americans we punish and forgive

    That mean DNC doesn’t to forgive who violate the rule so Mr Dean and Obama are arrogant

    James Carville said we will pay for redo that mean we will have a fresh primary in FL and MI
    OBAMA run away that mean he withdraw , Then opponent win the race

    WAKE UP MI AND FL VOTERS
    Hillary 08

    April 24, 2008 12:53 pm at 12:53 pm |
  17. rj

    here we go again. if Obama knew how she played dirty politics backed when everyone agreed that FL and MI wouldn't count, he would've known that he should've had his name on the ballots and campaigned heavily. At that time, she and the others agreed. She of course only agreed because the nomination was hers to lose. She had it practically sewn up and wasn't even planning much past Super Tuesday. Now that she needs them, they should count.

    Please super delegates, please, see her for what she is: conniving, devious, despicable, unscrupous, repugnant, smug, and vindictive. Don't let her steal the nomination. The only way she will get it is if the super delegates give it to her. if they do, then the democratic party deserves to lose in the general which they surely will.

    April 24, 2008 12:53 pm at 12:53 pm |
  18. SueB

    And when you count in the people who didn't actually vote but who would have voted for Hillary if they had voted; the lead is even bigger!
    And if you count in the people who aren't born yet, but, who would vote for Clinton if they were here on earth–bigger still!
    And if you count dead people who would have voted for Hillary if they were still alive.....

    vote early and vote often–but only if you vote for Clinton.

    April 24, 2008 12:53 pm at 12:53 pm |
  19. kim nyc

    Is Clinton on crack? She scares me with the way she twists stats/stories to always put herself ahead. Eventhough she knows misrepresenting the truth is a LIE in most people's books. Anybody with half a brain knows that her math is INSANE.

    No wonder why uneducated old people are her core voting block. YES YES America, let's not vote for OBAMA and vote for a liar named Hilary. Let the world continue to laugh at us. You know what really scares me????

    UNEDUCATED Folks who get easily persuaded. sheep.

    April 24, 2008 12:53 pm at 12:53 pm |
  20. Patrick

    I'm glad the media is pointing out how ridiculous this is. This is pure desperation on the part of the Clinton campaign. As if the American people are stupid enough to fall for that. This primary season has got to stop...it has slipped right past reasonable into the realm of bizarre ridiculousness.

    April 24, 2008 12:53 pm at 12:53 pm |
  21. James

    Michigan Voter:

    Maybe you should be scared of Obama...he won't agree to a re-vote. Wonder why? maybe he thinks you are too 'bitter' and are too busy playing with your guns in church like all mindless small town Americans. His belief, not mine.

    April 24, 2008 12:53 pm at 12:53 pm |
  22. Joshua College Station Texas

    Hillary is disgusting. Ugh. Every day this goes on I want to puke.

    If she gets the nomination, I don't know what I'll do. I am a citizen before I am a Democrat, and she violates my sense of security. I don't think she will be a good candidate, because she is so untrustworthy and dishonest. The Clintons back in the White House will be a shame to our country, as bad as Bush has been, with just a slightly different flavor of terrible. McCain will continue the NeoCon way, which is also unacceptable.

    Some people here criticize those who say they might vote for McCain. I won't vote for him. But I also can't vote for Hillary. So, if she is the nominee, I am at a loss. She hasn't earned it, and she is bad for our country.

    April 24, 2008 12:53 pm at 12:53 pm |
  23. Pam

    Does she say ANYTHING that isn't either a lie or a scam?

    April 24, 2008 12:54 pm at 12:54 pm |
  24. Ann in Iowa

    well, she doesn't scare me. in fact she is the only rock solid candidate the dems have. get a grip.

    April 24, 2008 12:54 pm at 12:54 pm |
  25. Jay in Chicago

    Ugh...I want to vomit every time I hear or read anything that comes out of this woman's mouth!

    April 24, 2008 12:54 pm at 12:54 pm |
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