(CNN) - It's one little point that's making for a whole lot of discussion. Was it 9 points or was it 10? That’s the question many people are asking about Hillary Clinton’s margin of victory over Barack Obama in Tuesday’s Pennsylvania Primary.
According to the most up-to-date vote totals from the Associated Press - used by all networks and national news organizations - Clinton won 1,260,208 votes in Pennsylvania to Obama’s 1,045,444. If you break it down by percentages, that’s 54.65 percent for Clinton and 45.34 percent for Obama. If you round up the Clinton number to 55 percent and the Obama number is rounded down to 45 percent, you get a ten point margin of victory for Clinton.
But if the difference between 45.34 and 54.65 is 9.31 percent - the margin of victory for Clinton - the result should be rounded down to nine percent.
Got it?
(Updated numbers after the jump)
Why does this matter? Maybe because the candidates spent six long weeks campaigning in Pennsylvania, and because so many political pundits said Clinton needed to win Pennsylvania by double digits to keep her bid for the Democratic presidential nomination alive.
But regardless of the margin of victory in Pennsylvania, the race has now moved on to Indiana and North Carolina, the next battlegrounds in the road to the White House.
UPDATE: As the count in Pennsylvania continues, Clinton's margin has edged up slightly. According to the latest tally released by the Associated Press, she now has 1,260,416 votes, or 54.7 percent of the total; Obama has 1,045,910 votes, or 45.3 of the total. That makes the current margin of victory for Clinton 9.4 percent, which still rounds down to a 9-point victory.
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GUESS WHICH ONE CLINTON FANS WILL CLING TO?
Rules in rounding in math???? Interesting. It's time for Clinton to get out.
So what? The point is Obama did NOT win. That is the story. He still is not strong enought to end this. He is going to unite the world? He can not unite this party!
it's about time!
NOT! its was 9.2 DUH!
They did say some voters did not have a college degree I think that applies to some folks in the MEDIA!
It was NOT a 10 point victory and therefore she did not win by double digits. She started off with a 20 point lead and once the state got to hear Obama he sliced that by more than a half!
It was irrelevant. Barack is still ahead.
NOT! its was 9.3 DUH!
They did say some voters did not have a college degree I think that applies to some folks in the MEDIA!
More of the cutting-edge news reporting we've come to expect from CNN.
Finally!
Thanks for making it clear. By simple (and elementary) rules of rounding, you round the final answer of an equation, not the measurements in between. and everyone knows 9.31 rounds down to 9, so Clinto won by !single-digit! lead, not double digits.
Dems 08
Give me a break already!
Give Senator Clinton the 10 points!
How many points were added to Obama during his shady caucus moments, ballots missing, problems at the caucus' etc...
Go Hillary!!!!
Sounds like "fuzzy math" to me.
THANK GOD THE MEDIA IS FINALLY TALKING ABOUT THIS...
SHE IS TOUTING THE IMPORTANCE OF THE WIN BECAUSE IT IS DOUBLE DIGITS, WHEN IT WASN'T.
SHE EVEN SAID THE MEASURE OF SUCCESS WAS THE 10 POINT WIN, AND IT WASN'T A TEN POINT WIN.
Yea... I got it. How in the world did she go from about a 30 point lead down to about 10. Sounds like the tide has turned and is going out without Hillary.
Lets just say she won by 10 points and not put it under a microscope already. What is with the media 9 or 10 points she still won give it a rest the Golden Boy lost plain and simple.
The funny thing is..... if the tables were turned and Obama won the state, the number 9.31 would be set in stone or rounded down to 9.
Give me a break!
Oh...it's Clintonian New Math. Great, Hillary. Really bodes well for your education reforms. LEARN TO DO MATH, DUMMY!
The Clinton dont care for causes. They dont care what your numbers say.
Give them the Whitehouse and they then only will the Liars be content.
It doesn't really matter. Hillary won, UNFORTUNATELY!!!
I am very disappointed that even though 66% of PA voters stated that they didn't like her way of campaigning, they still voted for her! I can't follow this way of thinking. They basicly said "It's ok to have a liar in the White House, character doesn't matter, all that counts is her experience" .
To quote Sen. Obama, "50 + 1 is a Win.
Whether it was double digit or not, Obama Lost!
I believe that Obama set a high bar for Clinton and said she had to swamp Obama. She did. Plain and simple. People saw 55-45 and that is a win by any standards.
Being from Michigan I can only look throught the window BECAUSE the Democratic Party threw my vote away and they wil not get it back in November.
According to the way all the previous margins of victory have been calculated, Clinton won by 10. End of discussion.
DOSEN'T CNN EVER GET TIRED OF BASHING CLINTON?
YOU GUYS ARE SO BAIS< WHO CARES ABOUT 1.of 1 % SHE WON
DIDN'T SHE?
What a ridiculous excuse for a story.
simple math 1 and 1 = 2
Some folks in the media thinks 1 and 1 = 11
Oh wait.. that was just a Hillary spin!
Stupid nitpicking.
Got it ! 9 points it is........
To be mathematically accurate it is a 9point lead but what difference does it make, a win is a win. We should be congratulation Hillary on her win and not try to diminish it in any way. Hopefully, after Indiana and North Carolina, she would realize that her chances aren't good and gracefully bow out
I heard the machines had malfunctioned and his name was not on some ballot, this need to be check out. Hillary stayed in Pennyslvania on Tuesday, I am sure Rendell and Nutter helped her win, bu malfunction the machines.
And while we're all being nitpicky... What percentage of obama is actually white or black or other? How far in the lineage should we go back? Two generations? Three? Four? Are we all related to Autralopithecus afarensis?
Don't confuse us with facts.
this was the dumbest article I ever read, I just thought CNN should know this.
It is for bragging rights.
It is about time somebody got it right.
With a state full of old people and blue-collar workers, she should have won with 60% of the vote.
Bingo. Thanks CNN. Great job. Each candidate is clinging to every edge they can get. Nailing down the accuracy of the information is always a good place to start. It's nice to see you point out the truth sans spin.
in mathmatics, you round after the summations. 9.31 %
...and most of those votes were from crossover Republicans.
Sheeesh.
Thank you CNN for posting this!!!!!
LMAO....a win, is a win. I would call it a 50 point margin with all the money Obama spent in PA and still lost by ALMOST 10%!!!
Go Hillary!!!
Single digit and it is Obama who cut through Clinton's win. The media has played Obama's win in Pennsylvania even thought they know he made major major strides and he is capable of winning the state in November. They are just blowing Clinton's win and yet, Clinton lost to Obama by 15 per cent. People need to speak the truth.
None of this matters–go to Slate.com Delegate Counter and see why it is mathematically impossible for Clinton to catch Obama in delegates. The only way she can get the nomination is by the superdelegates over-riding the will of the voters. This event would fracture the Democratic Party and lead to a loss in November. If any reader sees another realistic fact-based scenario, please respond.
It actually doesnt matter since she won, I would not care if she won by 5 points, she WON. I think that you go by the first numbers if you are going to round up or down. BUT HEY SHE WON.
Slow news day huh....
I have gathered some numbers based on the democratic primary to show what will happen in November if Obama is the nominee.
The democratic primary is different as it shares delegates based on percentage but in the general election it is winner takes all in each state. Each state won is that many delegates to winning the overall count. So if we treat the democratic primary just like the general election this is what we are looking at against McCain.
I have taken each state that has won by Obama or Clinton and given all the delegates of that state to the majority winner. I even gave Obama all the upcoming states and made him the winner giving him the delegates from them. I did not include Florida or Michigan to avoid any argument. This includes Guam and others that are counted in the democratic primary. This is only actually won states and future states given to Obama:
Obama won 37 "states"
Hillary won 17 "states"
However in a general election setting:
Obama delegate count: 1486
Hillary delegate count: 1750
If you count Florida and Michigan which Hillary won and polls show that even if Obama campaigned in those states Hillary would have won them at that time:
Obama delegate count: 1486
Hillary delegate count: 2118
If we gave Florida to Obama and Michigan to Hillary as polls suggest a primary today would give them:
Obama delegate count: 1692
Hillary delegate count: 1907
The bottom line is that Hillary has won in a general election model based on primaries of the democratic party and even giving Obama all the next primary states coming up. The reason Hillary won is she won all the big states practically? These states are historically won by the Republican party as to why Bush beat Kerry in 2004. Therefore if Obama cannot win the big states that Republicans tend to win he has no chance against McCain in the general election. Hillary has the only chance of being a democratic president in 2008.
So do you want a Republican in office or do you want a Democrat. The choice is clear who is more electable in November.
Give it time and Hillary and her slimey surrogates will be adding a few zeroes and doing more cherry-picking of the important states (which for the record the Democrats always win). Heck, they're still trying to count Florida and Michigan for which Hillary continues to deny pledging and signing on to with the rest of the candidates.
I say let's send her back to the Senate to achieve her double-digit win so she can actually put a dent in her embellished tall tale of "35 years of experience".
No, but Elvira -mistress of the dark thinks so.
The careful research of the vote/delegates and primary/caucus history of this campaign clearly shows that irregularities and totally undemocratic situations exist. For example, Sen Obama received 320 delegates from a total of 390,238 caucus votes. This translates in 0.0082 delegates per vote. On the other hand Clinton receives 0.0010 delegate for primary vote. It means that every caucus vote is worth 8 times more than each primary vote. Totally unfair and non-democratic.
Maybe the "super delegates" should bring fairness to the process, "super delegates" may not be very democratic but the caucuses are even less democratic and make no sense since a few activists dominate the "smoke filled" caucus rooms....
barack obama tried to close the gap after been down in the polls almost 30 points before heading to state and despite all the attack leveled at him by both McCain and Clinton camp..and then there is Rev. Wright controversy, bitter comment etc...Obama still rocks and pulled the lead down to single digit.
Lets see, How have all the other results from other Staes been rounded? Im sure the way that gives Hillary a 10 digit lead right? I thought so!
Yeah, it's a single digit lead! Obama's the man!
Ever hear of accurate reporting?! Headlines should read 9.31%, and it gives a better picture of just how close this race is and how HRC distorts information! GAWD!
All I know is , Hillary cannot win but she is making sure that Obama is so beat up that McCain will always have the advantage ! How selfish !
When we get caught up in the details, we lose sight of the big picture... who cares if it was 9 or 10? The President of the United States was considered at one time to be the most powerful person in the world (next to maybe the pope, i guess), and that image is fading fast. This infighting isn't helping.
The point here is that the "kitchen sink" strategies and backbiting may have been an integral part of campaigns in the past, but people don't want that anymore. All the new voters came in because politics were becoming something they could understand, but the negativity is driving them back out again.
Stay with the big picture. Stay with Obama. Do you really care about a flag pin? A pastor friend? Double digits?
If someone is harping on these silly issues now(*ahem*Hillary*ahem*), what makes you think they won't be this pithy when they are POTUS? "I'm not talking with Iran because they won't wear flag pins showing Irani pride!!". Oh wait... Hillary AND McCain have suggested bombing them.. What's a flag pin after it's nuked?
For normal human beings, this would not be a double digit win since it is less than 10 points. But I'm sure Clinton will find a way to make it 20.
God. Clinton Math is atrocious.
I'm a Obama supporter, and I say go ahead and give her 10 points... What difference does it make. Pennsylvania successfully stayed her execusion for 2 more weeks.
I guess we'll just see how much more damage the Clintons can do to the Democratic party for the next 2 weeks...
But we'll finish this for Obama in May...
it matters because Hillary has lied once again and said" i won by double-digits" when old girl knows good and well she didn't. when will she ever stop distorting the truth?
This shows that Clinton is anything but honest! Now she wants us to believe too that she wone the popular vote.
I know you are good in math
54.65 nearest whole number 55
45.34 nearest whole number 45
55 – 45 =10 Ten is double digit number
Now you got it
I am Hillary supporter I know how to do the math
Hillary 08
UGH! That is how the media reported it. We all knew it was a 9 point win for Hillary.
The real question is: Does it matter?
9 or 10, does not change the big picture at all. There is no way the Clintons will be able to catch Obama. Face it.
Yet, another Clinton lie.
She does it so easily as if people are stupid. It kind of reminds me of a the last two Presidents.
NOT 9.2 is NOT 10 no way, no how, no NEW CLINTON MATH. Send the wacko home.
thank you for the correction
YES! President Obama is on his way! Pack it up Hillary!
Hillary needed 64% of votes to win Penn-State! She now needs 68% of votes!
And for you Hillary supporters and news media wanting to know why Obama can't close the deal---
He closed it in Feb. when he beat Hillary with 10-wins!
This is great! She is done! We are on our way!
Clinton has all sorts of funny math, of course she will round incorrectly.
Makes a big difference!
All right, who hired the STUPID person. YOU DO THE MATH beginning with 100% (actually 99.99 if you add both numbers) – AND of course you round up or else you REPORT the percentages with the decimals....AND if you don't report the percentages with decimals....anything over 9% IS ACTUALLY DOUBLE DIGITS.
Go back to school!
so its a 9 point margin of victory for Sen. Clinton
while still impressive, it is NOT a Double Digit win
It was not a double digit win at all.
Then again Bill and Hillary would want it to be a double digit. Obama was 25% down at the start of this race and if he was 9.31% down at the end it was the best work for him.
We should not forget the way Bill Clinton keeps pushing the race card in the states where he knows that the population will vote for a white rather than a colored person. He is an excellent judge of the sentiments of the American people who still are racially prejudiced.
The day Americans can look beyond the race issue we will become a better democracy.
People need to wake up and realize this race is over. So Indiana and North Carolina, you can vote for someone who has already lost or you can vote for Obama who already has won this race. I keep hearing there is a race for popular vote. If there is a race for popular vote, how do you count caucus states (i.e Alaska, Washington State, etc.) where there are no true popular numbers ? So to me the popular vote rhetoric cannot be used by the super delegates in deciding this race. Truly superdelegates should take a look at the delegate counts. Both candidates will beat John McCain, so electability shouldn't be an issue. Infact on the issue of electability, the Republicans appear to prefer to run against Hillary, than Obama.
Bottom line, the Democratic Party has it's Presidential Candidate. It is Obama. He has won the most pledged delegates, he has won the most states, and given the fact that there is no true way of deciphering popular vote received by some of the caucus states it is unusable. Regardless of the outcome of North Carolina and Indiana, Obama has already won the Democratic primary for 2008. The sooner people realize this, the sooner the party can mend and we move forward against the Republicans. To vote for Hillary is like the Republicans still voting for Huckabee... It means nothing..
A win is a win.
Did Obama spend $12,373,295.23 and still lose?
Was Hillary outspent 3.236712346 to 1?
Did Obama run 9,342 Ads and still lose?
Is the avergage American family 2.5 people?
10% or 9.31% is doesn't matter. What does matter is that once Barack actually started campaiging he cut a 20+ point lead in half. This man is incredible!
It was 9 points – although i'm sure the Clintons will come out today saying that if you're over .5 it should be rounded up and if you're below it should be rounded down?? spin, spin, spin!!!
Can this be over all ready -
This is easy enough. Anyone with any brains knows that you round down below .5 and round up at .5 or above. I am sure that Clinton will try and spin this that it is the wrong way to look at it. Just like the popular vote. If she thinks hard enough, maybe she can bring lower gas prices, food prices, world peace, etc. and win the race, if she only thinks hard enough. The woman seems to think she can change everything and anything to suit her needs.
It's fact that Obama startet with 20 points behind. Moreover Clinton had the big endorsements, so it was clear that Obama couldn't win. He reached a good result under this circumstances...
No wonder why the U.S. is flunking when it comes to math and science.
Wait, 9.3 doesn't round up to 10?
More Clinton math...
she didn't win enough delegates,to make any difference.that's the bottom line.
Hillary it wasn't a double digit win.
Got it?
Uh oh! Here we go again! Fuzzy math, my friends!
Stick with the actual: 9.31%
And if you must round, round once to 9%.
Rounding twice is about as bad as using "averages".
Ben Franklin's warning about those: stick one foot in a bucket of boiling water & the other in a bucket of ice water, on average, the "water temperature is fine".
WOW..CNN stoops to a new low.
A win is a win and we conceed that fact, but please tell the truth "call it like it is" No sense in distorting the truth because I know CNN to be fair. Now if this was FOX news it would be expected....
It's comical to watch actually. Of course the media has rounded the number to 10...that keeps this thing going and traffic driven to their networks which equals big money. It's not brain surgery to figure it out.
America has overcome many obstacles, but racism is still alive and fighting in states such as Pennsylvania. Obama fought hard and lost but he was not DEFEATED. YES WE CAN. ONE NATION ONE COLOR ONE PEOPLE!
This is what I called pure bias attitude of the media. I don't know why media hates Hillary this much to scrutinize every tiny details when they are giving big breaks to Obama. Does it matter whether she is ahead if 9.31 or 10 points ? What matters is that Obama outspend her almost 3-1, all most all the black voters voted for him because he is "one of them", media was all against Hillary and the general attitude towards her was negetive. Amidst of all these she pulled a victory there. She fought relentlessly. I give her credit for that. You in the media needs to recongize that instead of taking this nonsense and blowing it up out of propotion.
She won by 'almost' 10 percent is the only way to say it. I expect some sort of coronation in Indiana, though, for Obama.
Are people so dumb in this country that they need everything rounded off? Can't you just say clinton won by 9.31% ?? No wonder Bush became president, twice!
Well, what you have guys done in all the other primaries to date? Have you rounded the numbers up and down and then figured out the difference, or have you figured out the difference first and then rounded it up or down? It should be as simple as that. But, given your bias for Obama and the fact that you bother to write this little piece, I suspect this is the first time anybody has even thought about doing the latter!
Doubt people will be able to grasp this concept of math.
She didn't do it
How can anyone tell?
Don't worry, by next week she'll be adding a few zeroes, still trying to add Florida and Michigan, inflating her resume, dodging sniper fire for the umpteenth time and cherry-picking states that she won – (Which for the record, the Dems always win). Doesn't matter either way, it wasn't enough! End of story. (If the media would just let it go and report the truth or real news for a change, we'd really be down with that).
So please stop saying she won by double digits on your CNN news programs. It's not accurate reporting!
OK Clintonites – GOT IT?!
It is 9.31 percent. You don't round up before you do the math for God's sake. But then who would ever says the Clintons or the media are wanting to be fair at this point in the election. She is behind, she can't win and this is about to be over. The media is wringing their hands for more ugly sound bites.
She is wanting to rewrite all the rules and campaign law and even the entire premise of the Democratic primary and for that matter the entire democracy this nation was founded on. Some President she would make!
Hillary said I know Florida and Michigan don't count...oh but I'm gonna need them so you have to count them...oh I'm still behind...we CAN'T COUNT THE CAUCUS STATES and we give Obama a ZERO in Michigan. Let me remind everyone over 40% voted undecided or AGAINST HER in Michigan.
For God's sake...her cry to count ALL the votes isn't anything but another lie if she wants all the caucuses and the other 40% of Michigan votes thrown out.
Put a fork in her. She is desperate but done. I would say put a stake thru her heart but she doesn't have one.
Are you serious? I think it silly season again
Pack it up Hillary! This is what happens when people are so nasty!
Imagine paying $2.3-million dollars to your advisers to lose against a rookie! Hillary – it is over with!
She needed a BIG WIN! She needed to win by 64%! And, if she continues this race – she needs to win by 68%!
YES! Go Obama!
According to the math in your above article – she did not.
THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS. UNBELIEVEABLE THAT YOU PRINTED THIS STORY.
HILLARY 08
Let's see, ten versus nine percent...does it even matter? Sen. Clinton walked away with more delegates and more popular vote, thus I think it fair to say she won PA. More so, Sen. Obama again showed that he does not compete well in a traditional important "blue" state. Sen. Obama's lead in delegates is small and largely due to well-organized but small cadres of supporters in caucus states, which are not good indicators of general elections or the preferences of more casual voters. Splitting hairs does not change the facts-he lost, she won-onto IN, NC, WV, PR and the rest. It is not over, until it is over. May the best win.
Clearly not a double digit win.
Nope – 9.2%
Rounded to 9% – you can see an article over at Politico.
Hey PA, you are idiots!!!! Way to go!!!! Way to keep us split and divided, just how we need to be for the GE.
Obama spent over eleven million dollars in pennsylvania plus weeks of campaigning and came out a loser take. away the black vote and it was basically a wash out. Indiana will be the same. the country is in to big a mess to entrust it to an idealist he as no clear plan or deep understanding of the dire situation the country faces. he talks about hope and a new way of doing things but when pressed about his plans like ABC did he shows he does not fully understand how implementing something like raising the tax on capital gains is counter productive. now that the precedence as been set he no longer wants to debate at caucuses he as control and does not have to elaborate so he can spin all he wants.Soon the black voters will start asking themselves what he as actually done for them except refuse invitations to help their cause. yes Pennsylvania was a big win it started to undress Sen Obama
Sounds like desperation on the part of CNN-Obama Central. A thrashing, is a thrashing, is a thrashing........
Get over it. Roundland Martin must have written this article.
Pathetic. Moderate this.
OKAY THEN WHERE IS THE MEDIA.
TALK ABOUT THIS JUST LIKE YOU DID WHEN SHE WON AND LETS SEE HOW UNBIASED YOU ARE.
THANK YOU.
OBAMA 08.
I think the point is that this is an inconclusive win. Clinton can claim a win, but does it really help her? Not so much. Obama "lost", but does it really hurt him? Not so much.
Just to put my two cents in on the math, I believe I always learned that you don't round until the end, because you the results could be vastly different. In other words, the method in which the difference is rounded down to 9% is correct.
Who cares! Penn is over...
The difference was 9.31 percent. Clinton will say 10, Obama will say 9.
What matters is the total net gain of delegates, and even that doesn't matter as Obama is going to get the nomination anyway...
Drama, drama, drama...
Splitting hairs as a form of social entertainment.
08ama!
Why even round it off? Do you think the general public is too dumb to understand decimal places?
The point is she didn't win by double digits. She won by 9.31 percent, which was hardly enough to change much of the math. The fact that she dropped from 20 points up at the beginning of the month suggests she's the one losing steam, but everyone's portraying this like its her third comeback and magically everything's going to switch in her favor.
It seems pretty academic to me at this point. Obama needs to keep ahead in North Carolina and Oregon, and as long as Indiana stays really close, Clinton is going to run out of race track. I highly doubt that the superdelegates will want a brokered candidate that goes against the will of the voters.
Zzzzzzzzzzzz!
So why don't the media state the facts instead of making Clinton look like she got this "BIG" win?
As a math major let me make it clear that normally 9.31 is rounded down to 9. Clinton's win was by single digits plain and simple.
Likeability, Likeability, likeability. Is it going to be as technical as this if/when Hillary gets into the white house? Same goes for Barack?
Who cares, she won and I say it's by10 points.
Rounding should be done at the end of the series of calculations. It may only be done between steps, for ease of computation, if there will not be an effect on the final answer. In this case, there is an effect on the final answer and so rounding 45.34 to 45 and 54.65 to 55 is not valid.
But CNN and the other media is either too scared of Clinton to round down or they're so dedicated to giving Hillary press because she's acting like a desperate fool and it gets them all ratings, they won't repudiate it as less than a double-digit win, so yes, it DOES matter.
No, she did NOT WIN BY DOUBLE DIGITS, as the facts clearly state, but we know how she can spin something her way.
DOWN WITH AMERICA's QUEEN. NO TO THE QUEEN OF AMERICA
Idifference between 45.34 and 54.65 is 9.31 percent — the margin of victory for Clinton — the result should be rounded down to nine percent.
fact, she barely made a dent. At most, she picked up a net gain of 12 delegates — less than our gain, for example, in Colorado (where we gained 17) or Kansas (where we gained 14). Her gain in Pennsylvania was less than half of our gain in Virginia, where we added to our lead by 25 delegatesThey Can't overturn the will of the people ! IT will be ugly if they overturn, Do the MATH no way for her to win ulessThey Can't overturn the will of the people ! Then what has she won ??? over my volt and in no way will volt for her , now is win the most delegates hse has my volt
EXACTLY!!! She needed a 'double digit' win and didn't get it!!!
Whatever though, she can keep taking peoples money and lose next month. It's OVER!! Got it?!?
You don't round two numbers first and then take the difference. You are always taught to take the difference first and then round the answer. Why can't CNN figure out such a simple thing? It really doesn't matter whether Hillary won by 9% or 10%, but the way she has been touting her "double-digit" win, someone better explain to her campaign that it was only 9%.
Duh. A 9.31% win is exactly that. Duh.
well, this all depends on whose number system you are using. The entire world would say 9.3 (or 9.2) would be 9% if you must round. However, the Clintons apparently have their own number system, so might as well say it was a landslide 50% victory...
Easy math, i guess only an educated Obama Voter could get it......9 points, not that it matters though
Thanks CNN for finally setting the record straight. I've been really aggravated by the media and everyone I know saying she won by 10 points or by "double digits" when its simply not true
Definitely she likes civil war rather deserving bringing together this a multi- American people. If she was not, she would not stay in the race. ing in the race.
At least the media is now paying attention to another example of Clinton's fuzzy math. I may not be a rocket scientist or a math genius, but even I can round numbers appropriately. 9 percent is not a double digit number.
I TELL YOU FUDGE THIS & FUDGE THAT AND HILLARY SAYS SHES A WINNER ....PLEEEEEZE GIVE US A BREAK
Definitely she likes civil war rather deserving bringing together this a multi- American people. If she was not, she would not stay in the race. ing in the race.
Facts, why do we need facts? Hillary will twist them into what we are supposed to believe anyway, right?
WHO CARES ?? THE MAIN POINT WAS SHE HAD A 20 POINT LEAD AND BLEW IT, AS PEOPLE SAW THROUGH THE LIES. 60% OF THE VOTERS SAY SHE'S UNTRUSTWORTHY.....SHE CAN'T OVERCOME THAT FACT BY TWISTING THE TRUTH OR THE FACTS (YET AGAIN).
SUPER-DELEGATES.....IF YOU WANT TO WIN IN NOVEMBER THEN YOU DON'T NOMINATE SOMEONE AMERICANS CAN'T STAND OR CAN'T TRUST....AND IF YOU DO, THEN YOU DESERVE TO LOSE.
Basic math learned in school....if the number is 9.51 you round up. If the number is 9.49 you round down. Simple, she won by only 9 points.
THIS is what I've been waiting for SOMEONE to point out! Her double-digit victory was NOT a double-digit victory!!! She has lowered the bar and moved the goalposts so many times I cannot keep track. Someone has got to call her on all these things....count the numbers when they're good for.....doesn't count when they're not.....cauceses played by the rules...they don't count now? PLEASE!
9 percent is certainly more accurate but at the end of the day, does it really make a difference?
OK, Let's state the correct margin tonight; with same intensity as the forcast 10% margin.
Perception plays a lot in politics, so it does matter.
The media should reflect the 'real' results. Why round it to 10 which makes it 'look' like a bigger win than it was. Shows a little media bias towards Clinton with the aim being to prolong this primary race and keep the media ratings up.
Please stop playing favorites
Thanks CNN for finally setting the record states. Im really aggravated with the media and people saying Hillary won by 10 points or "double digits" when this is simply not true
What I got is that the spread is 9% and not 10%. Why is this a side-note by CNN, instead of the way it is reported on TV? This clearly helps Hillary in a way that should boost CNN's revenues. Keep the fight going CNN. Create a false situation for Clinton supporters to rally behind, like when she was declared the winner of TX, even though Barack won the delegate race. This is a race for delegates is it not? You have a lot in common with Hillary, you both reinerpret the fact to mislead, to somehow personally profit. Really disgusting. Don't you think? Sure would like to see this posted.
Yawn........
This is why elections lately are so banal. We have the pundits and campaign wizards focused on whether a 10% win puts her back on the map. If it is exactly 10.0000000%, it is a "double-digit win" (as would be 15%, 25%, etc.) and the Hill hounds go wild.
If it were exactly 9.0000000%, we have a "single digit win" and she does not have the momentum she needed and Obama cut into her lead.
IT'S ONE PERCENT MAXIMUM, FOLKS.........
In the end, she got 83 delegates, he got 73. Those are the facts.
The TRUTH is whatever Hillary says! sic sic sic
I have gone from having a somewhat positive opinion of Hillary Clinton 6 months ago to one now where if I saw her in the the crosswalk ahead ... I'd have to talk myself into hitting the brakes! I suppose even political wh*res are people too!!
Definitely she likes civil war rather deserving bringing together this a multi- American people. If she was not, she would not stay in the race.
The numbers tell the truth.
The political pundits said that Sen. Clinton had to win PA by the high double digits. Sen. Obama cut her off at the knees, by reducing her huge 26% lead to less than 10%. Now tell me truthfully, who do you think came out a winner. And when were these results a "convincing victory"?
Whatever! It's not going to make a difference in the delegate distribution so why should it matter? Can we move on so we can get this race behind us and work on the unification of the democratic party? After all the saying is "divide and conquer" and that is exactly what is happening. If we want to win in November we must not continue to play the game as the Republicans what us to play we need to take the lead and play the game the way we want to play it.
Tired and ready to move on!
She won by nine that's not a double digit
Stop distorting the numbers for her CNN
It is what it is. Or, rather, was. It's history now.
Tell me about 10% margin.
I'm surprised this was even pointed out. Grade school taught everyone to round down if less than .5. But the story of 10 points(!) was just too great for the media to let slip by.
Thanks for reporting a fact. Oh. You're journalists. I guess you're supposed to do that, anyway.
Aw heck, be nice. Give the evil woman and extra 10 %, she still isn't going to win. By the way isn't her campaign fraud trial today or tommorrow?
What does the United States call other countries who change their rules in the middle of an election to favor a particular canidate. Corrupt. That is exactly what Hillary Clinton and her team want to do. Change the rules in the middle of an election. According to the official rules this election is finished and Obama is the winner. Therefore, no more need for another debate so they can team up on Obama 3 to 1 again.
I know Hillary won't quit until she is knocked out all the way, so Obama please knock her out. Give her a good solid knock out punch that lands her sprawling on the ground. Then give her a couple of good kicks to make sure she doesn't get back up. We're getting sick of her and her buddies nasty mouths.
I thought the same exact thing on election night. It was a '9' not '10' point spread. Clinton's "crash & burn" tactics are becoming increasingly desparate & toxic – like the same old Clinton strategy. Why couldn't 'she' seal the deal on Super Tuesday? Because she's not what we're looking for. She would rather crucify Barack if 'she' can't be the nominee. Shame on you Hillary Clinton. Shame on you.
Oh for petesake a win is a win, who is moving the poll now?
It does not matter, Hellary is still behind in delegates and should do the honorable thing: drop out
Funny, I had this same discussion with folks, in math you round up or down to tne nearest denominator, WE ALL KNOW IT"S NINE! But let her have her ten, it was not a blow out like she hoped for, she cannot possibly catch up and the super delegates are not going to overturn the majority of the Country. GUESS WHAT???? ALL OF AMERICA counts, not just Ohio, New York and Pennsylvania (are Ohio and Penn even that popular in this Country???), and no she did not win Texas, Obama netted more delegates. She can even throw in Florida and Michigan, excluding those voters who selected other/undecided in Michigan, and she would STILL BE BEHIND! The media keeps spinning this election as long as they can for ratings. Clinton's race for the White House is over, now it's time to focus on Obama v. McCain.
It doesnt really matter. she only got a few delegates, not enough to make any end roads into Obama's lead.
It is over for HRC. She is just the last to know.
And if you use the expected pledged delegate count according to the Obama campaign, the difference is only 6 percent
Baloney! Hillary 2008!
Do all the Fuzzy Math you want to!
The fact is Obama is no longer a viable Candidate!
He can't deliver the main stream votes needed to win in the general election.
America will never elect a President that is an Anti-American!
Hillary or McCain 08
It matters. That 'double digit' win is something that echos through the tide-is-turning tunnels. She had to get that 'double-digit' to make the case to carry on clawing her way to the nomination. Clinton math continues to deviate from what I learned in grade school- you round down under .5, round up over. 9.3 can't be 'rounded-up' no matter your spin. It was a single digit win. Oh, should we note this was Hillary's home state? Didn't Barak win his home state, by something like 32 points........of course, Illinois is not a 'big' state, a 'swing' state, a 'must-win' state, so those votes don't matter (of course except for the ones that Hillary includes in her new vision of the popular vote). How I hate the spin.....
And please that this is still 99% of votes, not 100%.
Recall that the absentee ballots are not in yet. The word is that many young college students voted in their home district by absentee ballot, so Obama may pick up quite a few more votes.
So we went through all that garbage for 6 weeks for Hillary to get 10 delegates? What a waste.
The clinton camp is not good at math anyway...
winning PA by double digit or nearly double digit, even by triple digit doesn't change the course of the contest
He's winning and the only reason she's still in is because her name is CLINTON, they think they're entitled to the presidency
Also, remember more than one month ago, political pundits did also say that she needed to win both OH and TX BIG to stay in the race.
Final results: OH 10 points margin giving her an edge of handful delegates.
TX 3 or 4 points margin primary giving her 3 or 4 delegates over
but the TX caucus erased this edge, despite that, SHE'S STILL IN.
Im sure that there is some interesting spin being devised by the Clinton Maniacal Machine...Lets see....perhaps something like "Obama outspent us 3 to 1 so the victory really should be mutiplied by 3 and so I should be awarded 27% delegates and popular vote from PA". Of course, she will also have to follow up with an position on why her name recognition is actually a bad thing and should be counted as a handicap making Obama's spending truly unfair without contradicting her position that everyone was happy and loved when Bill was president.
Double digit victory sounds so much better so according to the Clintons that is what it is, period. If single digit victory sounded better then the Clintons would say that's what it is. Whatever is best for the Clintons!
Give me a break. A win is a win, even if it is in Senator Clinton's column. I know it is hard for all of the anti-Hillary people to accept that fact. But in any other race, the person who finished first, even with a 0.01 second advantage, wins first place. Count Florida and Michigan and there is no debate about who the people want as their nominee. Hillary all the way.
9.3 does NOT round UP to 10!
Only in the "Clinton Math" book, perhaps. The same book that still gives her a shot to win the popular vote.
How petty can you get...better go over all the other states to make sure
they got it right.
Where's the headline that says Clinton win only in single digits after all!!!!!
CNN... You owe it to the world to correct the misconception that this was indeed not a double-digit win for the Clintons.
Let Hillary do the math on this one!!!!
Mathmatics is not the Clinton campaign strong point!
That said it was a nice victory for Hillary, it will be short lived though, as once North Carolina and Indiana factor in, Obama's delegate and popular vote lead will be bigger than it is now!
Ho my god !!
You really need a math phd to follow this dem primary
delegate math, popular vote math, and now PA primary math
SHE WON BY 10 POINTS.
Obama accept she bit you hands down
CNN please report the right number Hilliary did not win by 10 points
if it was Obama, Clinton would be screaming and complaining so that
you would have to report the right number. Be Fair is all I ask?
a win is a win is a win.. that's all that matters. She won some and he's won some. THey are both good
HAHAHA Good point Monica
Good that she did not say she was the president during 1992-2000, while Bill is VP.
But who knows. she maybe say it next week.
THIS IS ABSOLUTELY PATHETIC.
This really doesn't matter. The reason it's making headlines is because Big Media will go to any and every extreme to make Obama look good!
Yet, we sit here and criticize Hillary for standing up for herself and going to those same extremes to make herself look good.
Quote Obama: "A win is a win!"
What else can we come up with to beat Hillary Clinton to death?
What? Clinton would manipulate the numbers to make herself look good? I don't believe that for a second! (Note the sarcasm)
She's also been saying that she's won the most votes by including Michigan, a state from which she was supposed to remove her name from the ballot like Obama did. She also said that she had to win Ohio and Texas to stay in the race, and she's still in it, despite losing Texas. HIL-LIE-RY is shameless and it's shocking that she has any supporters at all.
Thank you...because it's in fact not a double digit win as most pundits and media are claiming it to be!!!
OBAMA 2008!!!!!!!!!
I think it is far more interesting that by the latest counts, she only picked up 10 delegates! 10. That's it. Huge victory, huge spin, huge rhetoric, and only 10 delegates... And has anyone mentioned most of the counties she won normally vote Republican in the general elections?
Finally, an article based on facts instead of Hillary's spin. I expect no less from the news media regardless of which candidate the article is about.
Most elementary school math students know you do the calculation first and then do the rounding. But if the "double didget" claim makes the Clinton camp feel better, so be it. I'm sure the superdelegates are not going to be fooled by anything – they are, after all, either politicians themselves or in the business, ya know? They can see through the shenanigans.
OBAMA 08
Monica, you as well as I know when it comes to stats it all depends on the way you want to see the numbers it's clearly a 9% win. But you know the Clinton's " I didn't have sex with that woman" and "I misspoke!"
Well let's see,
He has 1719, let's round that down to 1700 and she has 1586, let's round that up to 1600. Oh my, she is only behind by 100. They have to get to 2025, so let's round that down to 2000. Just because you are reporters and you may not be able to do the actual math then get a calculator. She did not win by double digits and he is up by 133. So you played right into the Clinton peoples hands and are reinforcing their distortion to convince people that she got the numbers she needed to continue this nonscence. People who watch the news want the facts not your opinion and not your distorted way of rounding the numbers. When I watched the CNN, Fox and MSNBC the other night during the PA primary. Different hosts on each station said that she won Texas (these were not Clinton supporters on the air, it was media hired to report the news). She specifically won the primary, he won the caucus but he got more delegates according to Texas primary rules so he won Texas. Don't distort the truth, report the truth.
Obamanuts, move your focus to Indiana and North Carolina. You lost PA, accept it.
Yawn.
She won.
99% reporting.
43 Mayors ans another Oregon Superdelegate have thrown their support to Sen. Obama.
You, I and everybody know quite well that Sen. Clinton is just deciving us that she is still in the race. What she is doing now is just to make sure she cast enough doubt on Sen. Obama for a McCain presidency which will give her the opportunity to run again in 2012.
I only hope to chiken hearted DNC would call her to order and stop her from making americans go through another four years of pains under the republicans.
This isn't a surprise. It's politics. Twist the numbers to support your own view, and when neither are technically wrong, that means that you're not wrong.
Obama himself has said a win is 50 plus 1 so what difference does this make, she won get over it and move on to the next election.
who cares she still won. This is so stupid.
The Clintons won Pennsylvania. Not by double digits but a win is a win. So I will give them that.
I am still disappointed that my fellow Catholics voted for the Clintons. They are thinking that having the Clintons back in the White House will have our economy back to where it was in the 90's but its not that easy or simple.
Please Indiana, do your homework. Do not fall for the attacks, lies and pandering being done by the Clintons!
Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton is NOT change!
And please, remember that for ALL of her experience and 'wisdom' she VOTED FOR THE WAR IN IRAQ! How can anyone vote for anyone who got us into THIS MESS???????????????????????!
Obama seems convinced he won?
9 isn't 10. Get it right.
If we round to the nearest hundred, Hillary got 100% and Obama got 0%, so it's a triple digit win!!!
GO HILLARY!!!
the one point difference isn't that big a deal
but when that difference is between 9 or 10
it is in terms of headlines, fund raising, and political capital
and it's too late to correct that now
Okay, Im an Obama supporter till the end!!
but really, this is useless!!
either way, she won, congratulations to clinton, but let's get over it, and move on, and campaign hard in North Carolina and Indiana, and really put her away!!
LET'S GO OBAMA!!!
ps: I wish pundits will stop asking why didn't Obama end this--> HE DID WHEN HE WON 11 STRAIGHT CONTESTS!!! And she had to go negative to win!!!! And he ended it when he won so much that there is no mathematical way she can get ahead!!!
OBAMA 08!!!!!!!!!!!!
Now let's go back and make sure all of Obama's wins were not rounded up incorrectly. Talk about being petty. Is this a sign that O's supporters are a little worried ? Seems to be.
This is a very important point. The difference is just 9 point. So clinton failed to get the double digit lead
She has a 25 point lead. He closed the gap.. give it up Billary. No one likes you.
HALF OF AMERICA STRONGLY DISLIKES HER ------
HOW CAN SHE WIN???
COMMON ITS COMMON SENSE!!
Either way it goes, Sen Billary got the win, or rather that battle, but she's not winning the WAR. That goes to Sen Obama who is still leading in the delegate count by a little over 140+. Billary has won the big states, but not all by a siginificant number. Sen Obama's lead comes from the people. The hard working, nail biting, sleepless nights, feed the family, pay the bills, tired of outsourced jobs Americans. WE are the ones who are putting Sen Obama where he'll be in November. We are not the racist, foul crying Americans that are voting for Sen Clinton, and YES she did play the race card, she and her husband. WHY? To play on the fears of those Americans who are not yet ready for a BLACK/Bi-racial AMERICAN to lead this country. And that's a sad vote for the USA. Color DOES matter BUT it won't win the WAR.
Look like the media is learing form Hillary too. "10% or 9%, what does it matter? No one expects to to be able to count and round numbers, right?
CNN, have you and will you count so precisely for Obama? Shame on you, CNN. So biase! You lost creditibility to me and many of my friends and collegues.
Thank you Gloria, I agree. Wolf and Anderson should be hosting a game show. Not commentating.
43 Mayors in NC and another Oregon Superdelegate have thrown their supports to Sen. Obama.
You, I and everybody know quite well that Sen. Clinton is just deciving us that she is still in the race. What she is doing now is just to make sure she cast enough doubt on Sen. Obama for a McCain presidency (God forbids) which will give her the opportunity to run again in 2012.
I only hope the chiken hearted DNC would call her to order and stop her from making americans go through another four years of pains under the republicans.
what's the point, Obama lost it anyway considering all the money he spent.
Looks like the media is learing form Hillary too. "10% or 9%," what does it matter? No one expects us to be able to count and round numbers, right?
This sort of "calculation" doesn't surprise me, especially considering that it is on CNN's webpage. This is the kind of B-S that has been going on since the beginning of Senator Clinton's campaign. If she wins it is always downplayed and if she loses it makes headlines. I think the press has always favored Obama, whether the American people do or not. It is such a joke at this point. No wonder such an unknown and unexperienced candidate is in the lead. CNN has pushed Obama from the beginning. You cannot watch CNN for five minutes without seeing coverage of Obama. I think that Foxs News has been much more unbiased and fair on their coverage of the TWO candidates in this campaign. I wonder if this rounding off of the percentages of votes were ever mentioned about a state that Obama won. Come on....This is getting ridiculous.
you are correct 9.31 is rounded to 9
Com'on, Hillary said she's not good at math. Give her a break. Habitual exaggeration is not, like, lying, right?
"9.31" seems like 3 digits to me, one more than two
Report the facts, CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS..
What's the problems?
Looking for more TIe Pins to talk about.
that depends on what you mean by the word "was"
Yes, we've got it. The Obama fans can do math. The Clinton fans, when faced with prohibitive math, simply decide that math doesn't matter and try to change the rules.
Clinton needed a blowout and that didn't happen. Obama has the momentum.
Nine points Hillary not Ten - Regardless, double digits or not – Can't win the nomination – More Importantly WHY IS HILLARY CLINTON'S ADS ON THE HOME PAGE OF CNN???????????? GET A GRIP CNN???????
I'm still shocked at the stupidity of Pennsylvania. I have to say that's one dumb state.
One of the lowest in the number of college graduate...Big Surprise!!!
Los Angeles, CA
I was looking at some states and delegate counts...
In pennsylvania
votes: Clinton 1,260,416
Obama 1, 045, 910
delegates : clinton 83
bama 73.
vote difference over 200,000 delegate difference 10.
In State Alaska votes Clinton 103
Obama 302
delegates clinton 4
Obama 9
vote difference 199 delegate difference 5
CNN stated in Alaska Obama got 75% and Clinton got 25%
Then nobody protested...
And now CNN is stating in pennsylvania Clinton got 55% and Obama got 45% ..and then people have started protesting...
A win is a win and get over it people...
Since the percentages were rounded to whole numbers, this is less accurate of a number than if it were rounded to two decimal places. So, she won only by 9.31% and not the 10% Hillary would like to believe.
This is ugly spin, is that all you Obama reporters have. The fact is he did everything possible to win, he had all the money in the world he had Richardson the traiter (I guess that didn't do any good) who now won't be his VP since his endorsement only backfired, people take loyalty very seriously Mr.Richardson. Anyway she beat him big in the end give or take 10 points. Big win for Hillary. Superdelegates, simple math here, Obama not electable in Nov, you choose Hillary or McCain
I was arguing this all day yesterday, and now you decide to put this up... CNN you and Lou Dobbs and all of the other people on the show except the ones who are for Barack are idiots...
How media pundits blame politicans for playing politics when they do it everyday. The sad thing is that mainstream media knew she had only won by less than 9.5%, but they didn't care because the 10% margin makes a better story. STOP PLAYING POLITICS.
CAN SOMEONE PLEASE ADDRESS THIS AS A SERIOUS ISSUE AND NOT JUST METION IT ONCE AND KEEP MOVING?
FINALLY, FINALLY, FINALLY CNN reporting the truth of the race, It wasn't a 10 point win like everyone likes to claim the results from the PA Secretary of State certifying the primary states otherwise. WOW am I surprised they even posted this article. Am i in the right place?
Give it a rest. Obama cannot win in high electoral states. No matter how you word these questions, he cannot win a national election. Winning in republican controlled states does not fool most democratic voters.
Is CNN still pandering to the Obama supporters or what? Get over it. Hillary won!
PA proved once again that Reagan/Democrats will not vote for Obama in the General Election. He is unelectable! Obama supporters need to face the facts. In addition, Hillary is polling better in places that Democrats can win: OH, FL, MA, etc. Why is CNN not reporting this.
Bias, Bias, Bias. I'm a democrat and am now watching FOX to get my news!
Post this CNN, I dare you.
For accuracy in reporting call it 9.3 or 9. Clinton did NOT win by DOUBLE DIGITS like she needed to.
She also doesn't have more of the popular vote.
The MEDIA and the AMERICAN people must hold her accountable to play by the established rules.
A LIE is a LIE not spin or delusion.
I meant nonsense. See, I can use a dictionary, maybe CNN can use a calculator.
It's clear why the media is reporting it as a double-digit win – and why the media is even reporting that Hillary has a shot – because the longer the democratic nomination takes – the more ratings and $$$$$$$ the media gets.
This race should have been over LONG ago, but the media won't let it die because they are reaping huge profits from this.
Disgraceful.
GO [away] HILLARY!
Wow, can you you say petty.
It clearly wasn't a double-digit win for her!! 9.31% c'mon how do you at CNN round up 9.31% to 10%?? Its not a double-digit win for her so it was a complete loss when you look where Barack Obama came from! 4 weeks ago he trailed Hillary by almost 25% now its down to 9.31%
Hillary its time to drop out! We don't want you in the White House, period!
In our tax returns it is rounded down to 9
Yes, Monica U.S. is WEAK in math and science but CNN is great making POWDER ROOM talk for Hillary being top news so they can avoid the FACT Obama is CHANGE that will remove thirty years of the same American Families CONTROLLING the White House!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
CNN is ALLOWING Hillary free news to KEEP the Clinton Dynasty CONTROLLING the White House!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yes I get it ....but this in not a time sheet for work ....This is voting for presidential nomination....So we dont go rounding things off..... twist things to fit to a person needs........ and this thing your saying.... (but if the difference between 45.34 and 54.65 is 9.31% then margin of victory for Clinton is rounded at 9%)........NOT...... Like I said before if you need an accountant call me......this is still a 8.3% win for Hillary.......You cant fool me and anyone that knows accounting.......So stop playing with the people minds of AMERICAN PEOPLE......because from this day on I'm going to keep AMERICANS who read comments on cnn in the now with the real % count..........
Billary only won by 9%..She'll be saying she win by 10%..just like saying she WON in Texas....What a liar!!!!
"Ha Ha Billary, YOU ONLY ONE BY 9%..NOT DOUBLE DIGITS LIKE YOU THINK!!!
Robin, ICAM! I thought the same thing when hubby and I talked about the margin of victory. And Monica is right too. It's no wonder the USA is getting a failing grade when it comes to Math and Science. The media perhaps wants to make the "so called victory" appear to be more than it truly was. And the margin was only 9.31 there WAS NO DOUBLE digit for the win,,,,,face it America, the truth does hurt sometimes!
9.31 9.31 9.31 9.31 9.31 STILL DOES NOT EQUAL 10!!
You cannot round-off .31 to be a whole, because it is less than .50 or one half. Did the math rules change at some point?
When are we going to count the spreads in Florida and Michigan???
I thought John Stewart's take on the margin of victory on The Daily Show was the best. Loved the analogy to the Death Star Run from Star Wars.
OMG..........CNN this is pretty pathetic even for you. Obama supporters are the biggest sorest losers I have ever seen in my life. What a bunch of whiners.
Thanks CNN for making a big deal out of it. Saying it is a double digit win. When actually it was not.
I guess "folks" in small towns and states are "smarter and more educated" than folks in the BIG states!! Hillary is from NY–
NY, PA, FL, CA etc. (except TX), continue to amaze us! Just look at the "wisdom" of the smaller states– Indianna, NC, Iowa etc.– . Left to them, this madness would have been over with before now!!
JUST FOUND OUT – FOR THE LAST TELEVISED DEBATE, GEORGIE GAVE BILL CLINTON THE QUESTIONS PRIOR TO THE DEBATE AND BILLY BOY ADJUSTED THEM ACCORDINGLY! IF THE MEDIA WILL JUST OPEN ITS EYES, IT WILL HIT PAY DIRT WITH THIS ONE!
GO CNN!
I guess Hillary is using HIllogic when it comes to math. I know she is smarter than this and better than this. Go back to when she wanted have a conversation with america to I am leading the popular vote if you count the states that were not going to be credited. I am really shocked and I thought she was much better than this.
Good Luck.
You should round it down for that STUPID comment she just made about having the popular vote by picking what states in her mind counted. wow.
Report The Facts Please! A Win is 50% +1.
If it's 9.2 than report it, 9.2, what's the problem CNN, CBS, NBC, ABC. or any other news group!
Obama 08
I agree that this issue DOES matter. CNN (Clinton News Network) and other mainstream media outlets have been relentlessly saying Hillary won by "double-digits" when that was clearly false. This wreaks of media bias and misinformation.
There was no justice in the reporting of the PA race, but payback will make a comeback when Obama wins in NC and Indiana.
Obama 2008!!!
Just say 9.5, that's two digits... esp. if you're a Clinton =)
This is good news. Hope Fox and MSNBC do the math also. Thanks.
It is a nine point win but she will lie just like Bosnia and every other lie she has told. I am not worried she can no longer catch up in delegates and that was the important thing. Obama will fly past her in the popular vote even with MI and FL that don't count and she will be bankrupt and still trying to go on.
This is all part of the Clinton mind set that the presidency is owed to her!
Go Obama 08 Yes we Can
At least they mentioned it. But MSM needs to allow Clinton spin to fuel the story.
I wish everyone would stop saying she was outspent 3 to 1. The Clinton name is a brand, so add up all the money they spent during Bill's four elections there add for inflation and then get back to me. But use real math, not Clinton math.
I guess Hillary is using HIllogic when it comes to math. I know she is smarter than this and better than this. Go back to when she wanted have a conversation with america to I am leading the popular vote if you count the states that were not going to be credited. I am really shocked and I thought she was much better than this.
I didn't think she would want to win this way.....I don't even want to win this way.
Good Luck.
You are, as usually, unfair. Yes, it was a victory.
So it is 55% to 45%, period. Just report it.
Why is this even a question? The fact is she won by 9.31 points. If CNN or another news agency wants to round, they would round down to 9. The question is why does CNN still report a 10 point victory like in their headline story posted after this one, Clinton's Money, Can She Compete?
Are you a math teacher? When you are calculating with percentage you alway round to nearest whole number first then you will substract the difference. You all need to stop making a big deal out of this. She won now let us move on to the next states.
Have you all been watching the Daily Show, anyway a possible improvement on your part.
The Clinton campaign will just come back with some sort of "new math" to make it ten points. The same way they magically include Florida and Michigan to claim that they're ahead in the popular vote, even though those races don't count. Hillary, you can leave now as a party hero or you can take everyone down with you by insisting on being ridiculous. You've lost. Deal with it.
9.3 or 10 is still less than her 20% lead 6 weeks ago... what happened?
Hey,
Can someone round up my paycheck?
Oh how happy the media must be today as they can drag up another
2 weeks of stupid questions to ask before the next primary.
When did they stop going to journalism school or do they only
learn how to read a teleprompter.
I wish math stay math. Please, media do not ever forget that.
Regardless of any percentage from Tuesday, the fact of the matter is Clinton didn't win as much as she could have, or as much as she SHOULD have. It's basically a must win by double digits game for Clinton now.
HecK, Clinton is lucky she got a 9%....She went from 8.6% to 9.3%, thats pretty good~!! I wish just once you folks in the media would stop trying to manipulate the facts.....get it?
Well, let's look at the significant figures.. Hopefully, Obama can rap up this nomination after North Carolina
Oh ok Obamanuts.. you win. Your guy LOST by 9.31 points not 9.5. I guess you can go celebrate now.
Thank you CNN, that is NOT a double digit lead. The problem that many have with the slight difference between 9% and 10% is that all the media outlets are quoting she won by "double digits". I'd have no problem if they wanted to claim it was a 10 point lead, but I do have a problem if they want to simply call it a double digit lead. If that's how they want to play it, the fact is she won by 9.31%, which is NOT a double digit.
Senator Clinton won Pennsylvannia by "9% plus" and not double digits. Anything else is lazy reporting!
That is great CNN! Obama talks about honesty, and if he is honest, he should acknowledge how nuch CNN helps his candidacy, albeit subtle just like in above to raise the doubt of Clinton's win with double digits.
The main point my fellow Democrats is we need a strong Democrat, who is a fighter and who would be shrewd enough to understand and fight the evils to protect us and our needs in this whole competitive world. I'm sure that only Hillary Clinton can make us win this election, and also be patriotic enough to fight for all American's needs in the coming economic tough times. We all educated and college grads and post-grads better pay attention to that, or else we soon have to leave our families to work in India, China, and the fast developing other Asian and African countries. I want to be right here in USA, and Hillary sure can make that happen. This was proven before by Bill Clinton too!!
IT IS A BIG VICTORY, TURN IT ANYWAY YOU WANT.
Please stop on rounding the percent,. analize why Obama did not close the deal and He never will.
What really matter is proving that not winning STATES SUCH AS PENNSYLVANIA, OHIO, FLORIDA , MICHIGAN AND OTHER SWING STATES, DEMOCATIC CANNOT WIN THE W.H.
So think wich candidate is able to WIN.
HILLARY 08
The results as reported by the state of Pennsylvania with 99.51% of counties reporting say that the ACTUAL numbers are
Clinton – 1,238,351
Obama – 1,030,805
Which is rounded to a 9.2% difference on the website, so someone is wrong or not updating their website.
The fact is.. she was projected to win by 20% when the poll came out because of Penn's demographics. To only win by single digits (9 %) is short of the goal measured by which Clinton needed to make a good arguement to stay in this race.....
but if you look at the Clinton's math it is consistenly wrong...
"I got my 10% victory" - it is really 9%
"I am winning the popular vote" - You are really loosing by more than 500,000
"I won Texas" -- You lost in net delegates
the list goes on..
Why does the media show favoritism towards Billary?
This is an important point, yet it is not making headlines.
Examine the fact that none of the commetators nor Billary were wearing flag pins during that idiotic "debate". But Obama was singled out and a big deal was made of it. In reality, the big deal there, was how silly and little the commentators are.
DEPENDS ON PERSONAL DEFFINITION OF BLOW OUT
COME ON PEOPLE
Why do you have to round it ? Press is suppose to present the facts, so stop rounding the number....period ! Its a close race, so let the people decide if this was good or bad for the politicians.
According to the Allentown, PA daily, "The Morning Call", the spread has actually settled at 8.2. This is hardly a double-digit win. A win is, however, a win. While I am an Obama supporter, I wouldn't have a problem with Hillary going through this primary season till June 3rd is over, but she's got to act like a Democrat, not a Republican. She is so convinced that she's the winner that she is willing to take the whole party down with her. Shame on Hillary and her supporters for losing sight of the bigger picture.
Clinton didn't get a double-digit win she knows that as well but she is NOT a preson I wont in the white house. Her words are all lie's. 1,260,208 votes in Pennsylvania to Obama’s 1,045,444 what a close race Obama close the gap big time... To me seem as if the something is worng with this count any way....
Obama 2009.... YES We CAN
If u look at it from her view it's a nine point win . But if u look at it from his point of view he was 4.5 percent from a tie on her home turf
The amount Obama spent campaigning has no bearing on the results. Just because he spent more does not mean his 9.31% loss is bigger or smaller than 9.31%. Of course HRC is grasping to more pointless details that don't amount to anything.
Politics, Politics, Politics, Politics, Politics, Politics, Politics, Politics!
The News Media, shameful.
Report the facts, CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS..
What's the problems?
Looking for more t-shirts to talk about.
Obama 08
Double digits? More popular votes? Won Texas? Bullets flying? Bless her heart. She's not Rocky, she's Wonder Woman!
Who cares?
The fact is she won by 9%, and considering that she was up by like 20% weeks before the vote, I say Barack did an awesome job. She needed to have a big double digit win and she did not get it, simple as that. Barack is the best candidate and it looks like the superdelegates are starting to see that. Since her so called victory in PA, three superdelegates have come out in support of Barack. Keep up the good work Barack!!
Obama '08
9%
that's what I see
The reporting of the difference should be just the same as all the primaries before this one. If they rounded the votes %'s to the nearest whole number before then they should do it again. What a waste of time to even discuss. Obama got soundly defeated in PA, whether it's 9% or 10%. I'm sure he'll get a measure of payback in NC. Not sure what will happen in IN.
Honestly.... Who cares!?!
Before Pennsylvania, it was determined that Hillary needed to win every remaining state with 65% support in order to catch up to Obama. Pennsylvania was her biggest, best chance, and she only won with 54.65%....not enough. Now she needs to get over 70% of every remaining state. After North Carolina, that number will jump up over 80%.
The candidates are exhausted, the party is getting more and more divided, and the Republicans are getting their upcoming talking points from the Democrats. It's time to rally around the candidate who will be winning the Democratic nomination, and it's clear at this point that the nominee will be Obama. How is it that Democrats can find a way to implode every single time? Hillary should grow up and do what's best for the country instead of what's best for her for a change.
While I do think it is a 9 pt victory rather than a 10pt, I do have a question if anyone can answer. Why, 2 days later, does Philadlphia not have all of their voting reported?
Why are 100% of the votes still not tabulated?
Lets give her the 10 pt win she needs it. She wins the big states. She is winning in popular vote. She is bringing together a coalition.
It does not change this nomination. She now needs to consider how she wants the Clinton legacy to be remembered.
Obama camp is worried about a % point but not about 2+ million people in Fl and MI... Such unity!!!!
Wow, someone that knows how to do math correctly. The correct way is to subtract the actual percentages, then round up or down the results. That is basic math, the other way of rounding up or down the actual percentages then subtracting is what is know as the lazy mans math. Lets be correct when we play with numbers people, we must set the correct example to those children that are in school. It may be more difficult to do for those that can't do it without a caculator, but it is the correct way.
I think the whole thing is silly. Saying 9 or 10 percent doesn't matter; what matters is the delegate count. I think people are smart enough to figure out that Clinton won (comfortably) but remains behind significantly in the delegate count and needs help from superdelegates if she is to win the nomination.
The fact that it is between 9 and 10 simply means that Clinton will use 10 and Obama will use 9.
She's not going to quit anyway... Especially since she's now claiming to be ahead in the Popular Vote. Ridiculous... Of course she is, Obama wasn't even on the ballott in Michigan which shows just how much of a fantasitic and improbable campaign he is runnning despite the slip-ups along the way.
Obama '08
Of course it wasn't a double digit win. Do the math. Another Clinton lie.
are you trying to please the Obamabots. Stop the biases CNN!!!
It's all your faul
HILLARY 08
Sorry Hillary but the final count was actually 9.7 percent, but since when does the truth matter. Spin Spin Spin.
Clinton is going to keep fighting to the end, it doesn't matter if it was a 10%, 9% or 9.31%
Obama should have put her away by now, letting this drag on only places more doubt on Obama's electability.
I think whoever comes out of this will be President, because McCain is carring too much Bush baggage, without the same base of support that Bush had namely the Religious Right and the Extreme Right.
You morons have egg on your face–and this is the best you can do? Run a story on it? How about a retraction for making false headlines–on purpose.
The news that reported that she won by 10 points is misleading and that's the way the Clinton's want it. She did not win by the margin that she needed and by rounding it up, it makes it look like Obama didn't stop her which he did. The Clinton's also is trying to play down the fact that she had Obama by a 20 point lead a few weeks before the primaries. So in fact she is the one that slipped not Obama. Even some of the Superdelegates in PA said they are not going to back her just yet which goes to show even though we knew she would win PA because she had the advantage in the first place, so I don't know why she is trying to make out like she made any headway because she didn't and the media and the Clinton's and their pondents are acting like PA was a bigger deal than it was. I wonder why the news is not reporting that over 20 of the Top aids of John Edwards are now backing Senator Obama and he has also gained 2 more superdelegates from Oregan.
You know what, 10% or 9% is essentialy meaningless. The # of delegate left is 408 and Hillary has 1586 right now, even if she wins everyone of them she can't make it to 2025. She will have less than 2000 you know.
Senator Obama has about 1750 and needs only about 250 and he wins it.
This doesn't matter... we all know Clinton is doomed!!
Obama 08
OBAMA IS A LOSER...
whether the margin is 9 points or 10 points doesn^t matter...
PEOPLE HAVE BECOME BAD LOSERS......
Stop the biases CNN, It will be your fault if we have a loser for a nominee in the fall.
Hillary 08
Slow days for news eh? No wars, ecomony booming – oh yeah, there is that gas thing.
Sorry Hillary but the final count was actually 9.3 percent, but since when does the truth matter. Spin Spin Spin.
A win is a win is a win is a win is a win. Hillary won? Do you get that?
CNN continues it's love affair with Obama.
Please report the margin of victory accurately. Now that we have the accurate numbers, seems CNN has some due diligence in making sure that the 10% number is revised!
Karin
I AM A REPUBLICAN – WHITE WOMAN – OVER 63 – I AM VOTING FOR THE MAN FOR DIDN'T LOSE PA – HE CUT HER LEAD BIG TIME. SO CAN SOMEONE TELL ME "WHEN IS THE TIME, PLACE AND HOW IS SHE GOING TO LEAVE THIS PRIMARY? TIME TO GO BACK TO WHEREVER YOU AND THE OTHER HALF BELONG. OH, DON'T FORET TO TAKE YOUR DAUGHTER WHO WAS IN NEW YORK DURING 9/11. AS A MOTHER AND WOMAN YOU SURE DON'T SHED A TEAR FOR THE DAUGHTERS AND SONS OF AMERICA WHO ARE FIGHTING THE WARS THAT YOU SAID OK. GO AWAY
picky picky! why are you so quick to trivialize her win? jeez!!
Thank you so much! I was desparately hoping this was going to make it on the news since it is such an obvious fact! Maybe this will help in some small way to shut that crazy Clinton woman up!
Fantastic point MONICA.
1 + 1 = 2
Hillary says 1 + 1 = 11 spin spin spin 9.3 = 10
lol This woman is a JOKE!!!
The polls did show alot of uneducated voters go for Hillary it seems this also applies to the Media!
News Media, Stop making America look Stupid! She Won by 9% period.
Lets not forget a Win Is 50% + 1 ok. Is this wrong also?
Obama 08
I have trouble understanding why the media is reporting false wins, false numbers for HRC, and not reporting what is actually happening, THE TRUTH! She lost Texas but yet the media (CNN) reports she's won it and has not corrected that. She won Pa with 9.31% margin so why is everyone saying she won with 10points?? People said she need it double digits to keep on going, it doesn't take a mathematician to know that 9.31% is not double digits! Math and numbers don't lie! Come on CNN lets be fair here, and report accurate information! HRC give it up, your time has come to step out, HRC and BC will be the only ones to blame if MaCaine wins in November, with all there negative campaigning!
Obama 08!
This is yet another example of how Hillary Clinton seems to forget the actual facts before her. Math is very precise, you can't say that 9.31% = 10% that's just not accurate. So get your facts right Mrs. Clinton. You continually fail to present accurate information and it's about time that you actually take the time to figure out the truth. Quit saying you won by 10% BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T. Quit saying that you're ahead in the Popular vote BECAUSE YOU AREN'T.
Independant for Obama '08 and beyond
Written by a "cling on to anything" to stop momentum. You make me laugh...
How about we don't round the results at all...she won by 9.3% or 214,506 votes. Is it a 10%+ victory, no. But at the least it does warrant continuation of this selection process. In my opinion it does make a difference what states a candidate wins. I am a ND native and it is great to see the turnout of Democratic Caucus but is a win in this Plains State really worth as much as a win in say NY, CA, TX (granted they won't win this either), OH, or PA? Also, I understand why the Michigan results should not be accepted, but weren't all of the candidates' names included in Florida? Just curious.
The Official PA state department Election commission has put the actual percentage win with 99.7% of the vote counted at only 8.6% if the media are rounding the figures then Hillary bested Obama by just nine percent. I thought CNN claimed to have the best team on TV but they are just as stupid as Bush and cannot do the Math correctly, Like we are not in a recession already, yeh right. the real result was a Clinton win by just 8.6%
What Liars CNN and the Clintons are.
Vote Obama for Honesty and truth.
I hope someone reports on the provisional ballots that have not yet been counted. In other States, California for example, two months after the election the vote totals changed and Obama got most of them and Hillary's delegate count went down and his went up. I think we know most new voters went Obama in Pennsylvania as well so expect a similar outcome.
Ive been hearing that too
Oh well
On to ID and NC which Obama will win
I could care less if it was 9 or 10 points. It surely wasnt 30 points
you snobamas are sickening!
But, did any one see the happy grin on WOLF's Face, when he announced that Hilary was the projected winner.
You can tell by his body language that he was so excited.
This is why they took prime time from him and gave it to that ediot also.
I think Ted Turner or the Board should look into the dealings of Wolf with the CLINTONS.
Why don't you bring back Jack Cafferty, at least he is not BIAS.
9 points or 10...she didn't get the 20 points she need to cut his lead significantly. and now she's out of chances. no other large state is tailor-made for HRC.
Oh, Knock it off. CNN is full of crap. You people are sooo biased for Obama. Get your heads out of Obama's butt.
OMG She won, and she won big. Does it matter if it is 9.31% or 10% SHE WON. Get over it.
Wow who cares if she won Pennsylvania by 9 or 10% she is still behind and Obama is still in the lead so guess what it means she still have got to win the remaining states which I doubt very seriously that she can do that so lets go Obama!!!!!!!
Obama was never going to win Pennsylvania. Of the 50 states, it was perhaps the one state tailored to Hillary. It has every ingredient tailored to her liking..... that is why she started out 20% up.
And yet, Obama took an impossible situation and turned it into a possibility. It actually was a miracle.... an incredible effort by Obama. So my questions.... if it was a perfect scenario for Hillary....
Why didn't SHE close the deal?
Its obviously more accurate to round the percentage after finding out the actual difference... Since when did rounding occur before the answer is calculated? Back to school US Media
So much for that double digit victory. Its down to 9%. She needed 20+% to even have a chance in all remaining contests. That's not going to happen at all.
She started with a lead of almost 20 points. But her final margin was 9% period. CNN, CBS, NBC, ABC Just state the facts please, you have them!
This was no blowout.
All those White Americans really help her in Penn.
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All those African Americans really help Sen. Obama in Penn..
Clinton faces uphill battle in North Carolina, welcome to Obamas world.
9% in Sen Hillary play ground not bad . Lets see how she does in NC.
Obama Supporters Lets continue to give of our time and money.
Sen. Obama 08
Woofy and AC both are spinning for Clinton...maybe Bill promised to get them some action in the white house if his lying, cheating, math wizard gets into office.
Oh give me a break! If it had been Obama who won, this would never have come up!
1,260,416 and 1,045,910 is not a double digit win. These are the double digit win for Obama: District of Columbia 75 percent Hillary 24 percent, Virginia 64 percent Obama, Clinton 35 percent, Ilinois 65 percent Obama, Hillary 33 percent. Florida cannot be consider as a win for her when the guy did not even compaign there. So is Michigan.
I agree, 9.31 is 3-digits. Hehe, has anyone reading this ever seen anything more rediculous. This kind of reminds me – why are gas prices always quoted ar x.xx99 a gallon. Why do we need the 0.99? I would love to see the price of gas at $3.5855 but it will be $3.5899. Maybe these two candidates could discus this.
From here on in, it should be stated on CNN 9 points. NINE.
They must use the math the rest of us Americans are using, when rounding! Or if they are incapable of doing that, don't round at all, and say 9.31.
CNN has been biased toward Clinton in the past week in my opinion and others.
Lou Dobbs is vindictive with regard to his hatred for Obama. He never fails to put Obama down – every night. Obama mentioned his name once, and Lou cannot let it go.
I read that Senator Clinton has raised $10 million in 24 hours. I'm wondering if this is from how many donors? The Clinton's have lots of "big buck" supporters who want Clinton, not Obama, in the White House.
When I took math in elementary and junior high school, I was taught to always ROUND DOWN when LESS than 5 [1.4 - 1 vs. 1.5 - 2]
Rules are rules unless you are a Clinton then they are subject to change.
Come on Indiana, North Carolina, Oregon, et al, give Hillary the break she so desparately needs!
Her Royal Clintoness tires easily, causing her to lie about her name, her daughter and 9/11, Bosnia sniper fire, Rose Law Firm files, opposing the pre-emptive war with Iraq before she voted for the bill, how she made a lot of money on Wall street, her brothers being paid to get pardons, opposing NAFTA, accepting "donations" greater than the legal limit from Peter Paul, …
Giver her a gift – time off!
She needs to take a nice, long vacation and get some rest.
Obama '08
You always round the way the media did it, that's the way they did it in every other primary/caucus this primary season. There fore it is fair-she won by 10 and she can capture the poular vote even w/o FL and or MI. 2.5-3mil voters in Peuto Rico with a 60% spread for CLinton will give her the popular vote, that with the states she won versus Obama's republican/red state victories will give all the super delegates they need nominate her..and uh... oh yea media when she is the President, you might not want to be so slanted against her. But you better do somoething about both of them or you will see a Republican administration-AGAIN!
Signed: Longing for the eight years of peace and propserity we had before Bush!
9 points, 10 points who cares? What's happening is that over 2 million people voted in the Democratic primary. Not only that but they are also out fundraising the Republican's for money which is unprecidented. This doesn't bode well for the Repbulican's in the fall regardless who the Democratic nominee is. More people are registering to vote than ever before. The John McCain/Joe Lieberman tag team duo will soon be history my friends. Adios, George. Don't let the door hit ya on the way out!
Time to go Hillary.
Remember, I need to win big in order to stay in this race...by big you said at least double digits.
Why isnt CNN(the most watched news channel in my opinon)covering where Mr. and Mrs. Clinton are going to be tomarrow and why? Are you afraid of them like everyone else is..why isnt anyone covering "The Hillary Movie".. if this were Obama.. it would be OVER!!!!! you all should be ashamed of yourself as journalists…I am sure you wont be posting this!..people go to you tube and see the movie(full)for yourselves and wake up!!!!.. google Clinton V Paul (California April 25th 2008)…
If i get this posted it would be a miracle…and then you'd remain my MOST watched news channel(maybe)
It wan't Hillary's fault that the news reported it as a double digit win.
In a political season dominated by the dumb and dumber, this has got to be the dumbest question of them all.
The only reason that "double digit" became the supposed margin of victory for Clinton in PA is that TV journalists (an oxymoron?) like saying the phrase.
It's important because of how much pressure there was for Clinton to win by double digits. It's the same as how stores will sell an item for $9.99 instead of $10.00... the extra digit does make a difference in perception, and perception is important. The fact that everyone said "She needs to win by at least double digits" brings this detail into play, and the fact is that she didn't get it by double digits.
This would have been a huge story by the Clinton campaign if it was reversed . I cannot believe the media and their reporting.
I can't believe CNN is daft enough to ask the question. Have they never heard of decimal points?
The way they would calculate things, a single voter's ballot that changes a spread from 54.4999999999-45.5000000001 (rounded 54-46) to 54.5000000001-45.499999999 (rounded 55-45) is the difference between and 8 point win and a 10 point win.
Hillary won by 9 and some change percent. And not even 9.5, so the 10 is just wrong by any measure.
I'm afraid to ask CNN who won Florida in 2000...537 is way less than a percent...the question would probably stump them.
C'mon, CNN. I love your webite's election coverage, but don't be retarded.
Whether Sen, Clinton won by 9 or 10% it hardly makes a difference. The truth of the matter is that Sen. Obama is leading by about 130 delegates and according to the rules, that counts. For Hillary to win she will have to win all the remaining States with about 65% to catch up to Barack. Surely nobody believes that is possible. The only way for Hillary to get the nomination is by a large number of
Superdelegates and some pledged-delagates supporting her. This is unlikely to happen. But should this indeed happen the chances of McCain winning the nomination would be greatly enhanced as many of the Democratic voters, particulary African-Americans, will not vote for Hillary because they would consider that Barack was cheated. Many orthers will vote for McCain out of spite.
Why are you doing this for Pa only? What about all of the other states that have already voted. I thought all percentages were rounded. I do not recall seeing other results with the decimal point.
The Obama campaign is a sad bunch. Obama will not be President no matter how hard you all want him to be or for him to look like a saviour of the democratic party.
Hillary had almost every governor, mayor, congressman, and senator from Pennsylvania on her side. She also has family ties. It would be like her going into Illinois or Hawaii and only losing by 10%. Obama beat Hillary by almost 30% in Illinois and 50% in Hawaii, so what now? In Pennsylvania she still only got 55% of the vote. I think that says a lot about Barack Obama. All it says to me is that 10% of Pennsylvania is either ignorant to Hillary's evil or there are a lot of prejudice people in Pennsylvania. Only Pennsylvanians know the answer. I am afraid a lot of the older people did not vote for Obama because they are prejudice. Lets record them and put their comments on TV and play them over and over again. See how they like it. I forgot it only works one way because whites have ran this nation for years. Its time all people are represented in this democracy.
Almost all the medias said Hillary won by bouble digit. She actually won by 9.3% - SINGLE DIGIT.
The math of the medias is as good as that of Hillary. It is why a lot of people hate the medias.
I've been out of school for a while but the last time I checked 54.65 would be rounded up to 55 not down. You don't round the difference between the numbers up or down you round the actual total up or down to figure the difference.
No wonder this country has a problem with education.
I doesn't matter if it was 1 percent difference a win is a win.
Money spent to introduce yourself to a group of indivdiduals who, irrespective of your message, were never going to vote for you. While on the surface it seems like a futile endeavor, Sen. Obama is quietly killing the speculation that he is unelectable.
With no name recognition, and just 6 weeks to campaign, he reduced an enormous 30% margin to 9(yes 9) %. Pretty impressive.
He continues to prove that given the opportunity to campaign, he is extremely formidable. I think that the semantics that Sen. Clinton is employing is transforming Obama into what the Republican fear most, hardened and battle tested. I
f Clinton exposes all his negative now, what will Yosemitie Sam have in November?
I guess we will have to go back to all the wins and get the exact % points so we can make a bigger deal out of this than it is. Who cares!!!!!!!!!
I believe in clean journalism. Please lets your reportage devoid of bias. "Check, check and cross check" . Please do the right things, because so much is at stake.
On more thing. It is one thing to the Candidates to get the numbers mixed up or to lie about them. But for the Media to repeat the lie is beyond my understanding. Come on guys–is it too much to ask that you do your jobs?
Is 9.3 a double digit number? However, from the number of 'double digits' reports one could guess how much those networks are enjoying reporting this race...
Hillary the math does not add up. But then again nothing from your side ever does.
Yeah, she's probably not going to win but 1 or at most 2 of the remaining primaries. She should jus go ahead and gracefully bow.
OBAMA '08
What is the deal with Obama supporters making these snide comments about how uneducated Clinton supporters are (i.e., "Obama fans can do the math")? This is where the elitist accusation rings a bit true. I have a J.D. and I support Hillary Clinton and I know quite a few other educated people that do as well. I've seen the uneducated comments for weeks now, but I can't take it anymore. It's immature and is not a way to win people over to the Obama camp.
The news media is doing it, too. Basically, the implication is that smart people vote for Obama, dumb people vote for Clinton. Sort of like early on in the primary, the implication was that "cool" people vote for Obama. Enough.
This educated person is smart enough to not allow the media to decide my vote. I have listened to the facts, I have listened to the lies (of both candidates, might I add), I have done my research, and I support Hillary Clinton all the way! And by the way, I'm not old and I'm not a white racist (as so many people tend to try to categorize HRC supporters). I'm a 29 year-old Black woman, who is proud to support Hillary (at least, unless Barack gets the nomination).
Using the Hillary Book on logic let's count in the votes of "American Idol" and then America REALLY has spoken.
Sorry Hillary, I supported you until you became a LIAR (sniper fire) & a CHEATER (counting Florida & Michigan).
Sure Obama may be too honest at times, but isn't that what we want in Washington is honesty and the ability to remain on the issue versus SPINNNG everything.
Hillary is like Karl Rowe in Drag, she will do anything.
The American press is practicing 'VOO-DOO' math in favor of Clinton.
What happened to the honest reporting of the facts in the news.
I find it funny that Hillary supporters like to pretend that Obama spent more money than Hillary just because Hillary didn't want to be wasteful. Obama spent more money than Hillary because he raises more money than she does. By the way, Hillary's campaign entered the month into debt. Maybe she can take some of the money her campaign raised and pay off some creditors.
Way to spin a negative into a postive!
9%. Wooptidoo.
Be it 9 or 10 percent, she had close to a 25 point lead six weeks ago. How can anyone believe she pulled off a huge victory? Six weeks of campaigning and her spread dropped 15 points? That's a HUGE loss.
In fact, any state you go to, where campaigning was done (not in michigan or florida), her numbers always seem to decrease as time increases.
It's obvious that the news media wants this to prolong the race for ratings, so don't be surprised by the amount of pro clinton coverage, or the overplay of obama mistakes they broadcast.
TO : Grace (Maryland) April 24th, 2008 1:24 pm ET
"what's the point, Obama lost it anyway considering all the money he spent."
SPENDING THAT MONEY WAS A GOOD THING. IT CUT HER LEAD IN HALF TO 105 SO THAT WHEN HE WINS NC HE CAN EAT THOSE POPULAR VOTES UP. ENJOY THEM UNTIL MAY 6!!!
Hillary says it all the time that she won by double digit but are you guys surprised? Did'nt ur Mama tell you? Once a liar, always a liar.
If Clinton is truly pro-education, she shouldn't play fast and loose with math; if she won't, the media should be ethical, e.g. actually reporting Obama's win in Texas.
The media are the ones giving the percentage, they say she needed a big win like 20, she gets 9 but we have to say 10 because that makes it a double digit. Now she is the big winner. She gets to count Florida and Michigan, it is that new Math again, it only works for the Clintons. I want my kids to try that in school and see if they can get away with it.
To me a blowout, of a 10 point victory would have been 56-44. At he start it was a 20 point lead and then it shrunk to 7 then 9. That 56+44=100 percent Hillary. 54.65+45.634=99.99 that is 100 rounded up because anything greater than 5 is rounded up less than 5 rounded down.
Hillary Clinton is a very smart, a very well calculated person. She knew when to strike to get her point, and has very good skill, in term, how to brainwash the people at very critical point.
She will do whatever it takes to get her throne, period !
She has been putting herself interests above party, and no questions, she will put herself and her family interests above this country. Her first lady records tell us all. We, are the people, who have been (and will be) used to achieve her interests, yes, like her puppet. The world is watching her game and is laughing us !
Prove ? google 'peter paul and clinton'. She should have a court date soon
One vote is a win and she won. Who said she needed a blow-out? The media and the Obama supporters who just refuse to face the fact that he spent 11 million of their hard earned dollars and lost. Of course he has the African-American vote and the youth vote, he wasn't spending that money to get their vote. He was spending it to get the blue collar vote, the senior vote and the woman vote, all of which he lost. At least I know my money to Hillary is working.
Round all the numbers after the calculations,rounds to 9 in all elementary schools across the land.Hmm.. 9 is not a double digit afterall.
Want to see real double digits wait toil NC and Obama 's lead.
CNN has always seemed to favor Clinton. IE: Night before the Pennsylvania Primary, they have her on Larry King (even though they "say" they asked Obama to be on), then after the interview it is only Clinton supporters doing the analysis on the interview.
CNN is an accronym for Clinton News Network. We have to accept that I guess.
CNN stop protecting your ever lying Queen. Were is the story about Clinton lying about Newzealand Prime Minister. calling her as former when she is still in office. Isnt that the worst foreign experience some one can have.is that what she has after 35 years, to make matters worse the Newzealand Prime minister responded to clinton lies by telling her that actualy she met former President Bill two weeks ago. What a shame CNN. show show some guts and report fairly had it been Obama who said this it would have been headlines already. SHAME ON YOU CNN!
The nomination is based on delegates, not margin of victory in one state. If we want to talk about margins of victory, HRC has six 10 point victories (only four over 11 points and only one over 20).
Obama has had 23, 18 or which were over 20 points, 14 of which were over 30 points, and 3 of which were over 50 points.
But who's counting.
The count that matters is about +160 pledged delegates, +130 with superdelegates and the superdelegate gap is closing fast.
Spin, lie, spin, lie, spin, lose.
The difference between 45.34 and 54.65 is 9.31 percent — the margin of victory for Clinton — the result should be rounded down to nine percent, and YES it does matter. This is high school mathematics. The press potrayed the wrong message.
True – Many political pundits said Clinton needed to win Pennsylvania by double digits to keep her bid for the Democratic presidential nomination alive... and she did not get the 10 point lead or more. So it matters that the public understand that Clinton bid for nomination is sttill questionable ..she did not get the 10 point or more lead that was expected – that is a fact.
There is no tide wave toward Clinton, otherwise her 25 point lead should have not shrunk. Obama made some inroads in PA and the press should report this. It is clear that the Press misguided many people with this inaccurate information..which did play well for Clinton and her campaign.
No blow out...now bow out!
This is great!!!!!!
And this 9.3 is actually an update from when it was announced as 10 points. A couple of days ago it was 8.6.
what this news media does not not realize is that very soon they will lose all their credibility and their relevance.
Yet another "move the goal post moment" for Hillary. Now she seems to think she has had more people vote for her?? Maybe they should let the popular vote in FL & MI count and give Obama the "undecided" voters in MI... Guess what Hillary.... He's still ahead then!!! To think that I supported her husband and her... I am so disappointed in their actions.. this win at all cost mentality is pathetic.
A win is A Win!
Pennsylvania: California loves you!!
Hillary 08
What does it matter? Well, accuracy is the first requirement of journalism, I thought. Apparently not on CNN.
The New York Times managed to report a 9 percentage point difference even on charts that showed the individual candidates' percentages as whole numbers (e.g., 55 to 45 rather than 54.7 to 45.3). I guess they feel their readership should at least be intelligent enough to understand that rounding error can cause things not to add up.
The "best political team on TV" should be able to understand it also. So why did CNN choose to be inaccurate? Why are there still stories on the CNN site talking about a "10 point lead" without any correction or update?
"Fuzzy Math", to borrow a term from Bush Jr. After all, 8 years of friendship with Al Gore had to had influence. She can proved a single digit lead as a double digit lead.
I voted for Bush against Al Gore and I will vote McBush against Billary.
Obma 08' or nothing.
Thank you for reporting this. Evidently I'm not the only numbers wonk that sent you an email about this yesterday. The devil's in the details.
Shocking that Obama wants to suppress the vote of millions of citizens in Florida and Michigan. Wonder why he does not think every vote should count. This is worse than Al Gore's push to disallow military votes in Florida back in 2000. FL and MI voters are disenfranchised and will never vote for Obama in a General Election.
Candidate Votes Percent
CLINTON, HILLARY (DEM)
1,238,351 54.6%
OBAMA, BARACK (DEM)
1,030,805 45.4%
How about simply calling it 9.31?
Of course 9.3 rounds to 9 – ask any fifth grader. And accuracy in reporting this matters a lot. Before the Pennsylvania primary, every pundit agreed that a Clinton win under 10 points would not change the momentum of the race. Ten was "the bar" – and she did NOT meet it.
What I get from this is that the spread is 9.31%, because I can read, write, and do math.
let's see....10-9.31=0.69
I don't know about Clinton's or Obama's math, but according to my math, that still qualifies Clinton as the winner.
what's the big deal? 0.69% is not going to make or break anyone.
she won, didn't she?
Arguing over this point is ridiculous
I mean, honestly, who cares?
The media jumped on the 10% before all of the results came in; especially the areas where Obama was strongest.
I hope the likes of Republican Joe Scarborough will acknowledge that it was not 10% after all; or, will it be buried as is positive information on Obama.
Did the Democrats ever ask themselves why the likes of Scarborougha nd other Republicans are pushing Hillary so hard?
I would feel better about my candidate if the Republican machines were criticizing the other candidate.
I noticed John McCain has been wooing African Americans in Alabama and in Louisiana. Could the plan be to help Hillary get the nomination and go after African Americans for a Republican win with Condi Rice as Vice President. H'mmm.
Yes, but as you ALL KNOW:
Hillary must cheat and deceive the country to win.
It is NOT double digits,
She HAD a 20 point lead and won by 9.31%
Not so good in my book! But then again, I know numbers and treat them as truth.
Again, this is the news that should be reported. The truthful facts, NOT the spin that Hillary and her camp would like put out there. How ridiculous is it when she says that she is also winning the "popular vote", yeah she is by HER rules. I don't want a presidental nominee that would sell her own baby to be President. That is a little too much ambition and has nothing to do with the public but has more to do with HER and her wanted to be equals with Bill Clinton.
Anyway, if she gets the nomination, I would vote for McCain. Why, because she is not trustworthy and not likeable.
One more interesting point is which primaries have been rounded and which have not. According to this rounding method, Sen. Clinton also had a doube digit win in California...a slightly Dem state that holds just over 12% of this Country's population. I just thought it was interesting...also, California is quite a bit younger than PA, and she still won by 10....I mean 9.51%.
Any way you slice, spin, transpose, or otherwise rotate it, 9.31% is not "double digits" as it is less than 10.
It's all irrelevant though because, as I've been pointing out all along, 10 is a completely arbitrary number. We need to look at the whole picture: Clinton picked up 12 delegates, and still trails by 154 pledged delegates with 9 contests to go. In other words, even if she won 9 more Pennsylvania-sized states (which won't/can't happen since the states are smaller and more favorable to Obama), she is toast. Enough with the sugar-coating by the media - that $10 M should be going to the needy, not to the Clinton '12 campaign she is launching right now.
I love how "shame on you" has become such a big buzzphrase due to this campaign. Sounds like 4 year olds during recess... Shame on you! Shame, shame!
It is obvious that there is a news editor who is not in search of the truth but is inlove with the spin.
1.She need a double digit win. They did their utmost best to give her a double digit win.
2. She needed the popular vote. They are doing their best to give her the poplular vote. She says she has the popular vote so they yes! yes !yes!. So they make whatever she says indisputable facts. Why?
3. They have played down the fact that BO overcame a 25% deficit in a state where his greatest strengths...the independents...could not vote.
4. Last night Anderson Cooper had James Carvilee and Paul Begalla ganging up on Jamal. The same picture of white men who vote for her.
CNN has to explain their preference givng Lou Dobbs 1 hour of Prime time news everday to lambast BO.
Clinton did not post the 10 point spread the news media did. She is only repeating what they report.
This is the exact way they have always posted the points by rounding up or down the individuals %.
Suddenly people want to try to pick at this result because Obama lost so badly.
Lets go back and look at every single state that has voted so far and you will see the same thing come up over and over.
The only way for this to be different is to go out 2 decimal points on ALL races or deal with the rounding as we have for the last 40 states.
Some of you really need to get a life. This is simply stupid.
Who cares? The real question wasn't: Would Clinton win PA? Everyone knew she would. It wasn't: Would she win it by more than 10%? She didn't.
The real question was: Would her win be enough to reenergize her campaign and give her an edge going into the next set of primaries.
Well she did raise that $10 million so maybe the answer is yes.
9 or 10 or 11 or 12.......she cannot , i repeat she cannot catch Obama. period.
CNN, please, can you update the Supers numbers for Obama. For the sake of fairness!
I am a little confused here, not that I don't know math but confused at how news networks have so many so called experts and they can't seem to get this right. here is a few math problems my daughter had on her 3rd grade math test.
Round to the nereast 10th.
5.61=6
8.21=8
9.31=9
My daughter got them all correct but yet the news outlet is calling Clinton win a 10% win. From this point own please let me know when you are discussing anything that deals with math so I can make sure my daughter is not listening, I wouldn't want her to get confused.
It must be that the HRC camp is NINE-Hater.. perhaps it was the number Billy had whoopies so they rather not bring that number to news.
The numbers don't lie. She needed large double digit numbers to even call it a win.....that just simply didnt happen.
Go home Billary...this country has obviously had enough.
I guess it's no more misleading than some of the headings for your ticker articles. Guess we shouldn't expect more truth from the media.
Could someone please tell me why Hillary supporters are so angry and resentful about the idea of Barack getting the nomination? I mean if a minority of Hillary supporters are saying they'd rather vote for McCain than Barack they really have some explaining to do. Would you seriously vote for McCain?? You'd have to be crazy to believe he'd change the most important issues facing us now. Or, are you just so bitter, yes I said bitter, about the possibility of Hillary not winning that you're just over-reacting by saying you'd rather vote for McCain? Sounds childish to me.
to "Independent"... simply put and well said!!! I agree with you 100%
Yes, finally our voices are being heard! I wrote in to CNN yesterday asking why Pennsylvania's official numbers had Clinton ahead by only 9.2% and CNN 10%. I would like if they would go on the air with it actually. Lets keep these news companies, politicians and corporations honest; write them when you see something that isn't fair. Just imagine how much oil we could save if people complained and boycotted big business retailers that have their doors wide open in the middle of summer with the air conditioning cranked! It's time the citizens of the United states (people in Central and South America also consider themselves Americans) started making a difference.
Give me a break CNN – you have got to be kidding! Did Barack or his campaign bring that your attention. Guess you need to go back through all of the states and look at all of those percentages a little closer. Maybe Barack did not win all of them as posted. Geez get over it – what does it matter if it is 9.3 or 10.1. It is still over 200,000 votes more.
I guess it depends whether something called 'accuracy' is important to you. Obviously the Clinton campaign doesn't even understand the meaning of the word. The question is – does the media?
Hillary is a liar. Hands down, she will twist the facts to make her case. It reminds me of George Bush and how he twists information to make things work for his ideas. This campaign is an insight into what her presidency would be like. It would be a lie fest, with Bill Clinton pushing his way back into the oval office as a fake VP. Enough is enough. HIllary needs to be called out on her half truths. A double digit lead is something like 11 plus percent, not 9.4. Her followers need to call her out on lying. It is getting old. It is destroying the party. Hillary needs to fess up to her dishonesty.
Gee, you suppose the MSM watched the "Daily Show" last night and now have to admit they were wrong in giving her the "double digit lead" they all tried to do.
CNN, you are incredibly biased and I am not even a Clinton supporter. Shame on you, CNN!
Go Fox News!
Obama wins a state by a few percent:
headlines – Obama wins, sweeps, kills, victory, woo-hoo
Hillary wins by 9%
headlines – Hillary win doubtful, very suspicious, very sad
End sexism in the media! It is OK for a strong woman to be a leader.
Hillary got the win in PA, whether in double digits or not it doesn’t matter. Only good thing is the voters are no longer baiting to Hillary’s deceptions and Obama is not falling in her traps either. The only one left playing tricks with Clinton is YOU the media. You will also learn real soon, like someone said a Clinton will pat you on the back while they piss on your leg. All over a sudden the media is setting goals for Hillary to achieve. You all forget who really counts (the voters). Who coined the double-digit win for her to be the benchmark? Simple math tells the truth and it harts for Hillary
It just seems that the math doesn't add up for her no matter how you look at it. The important part of this is that she fell short of her track record in that area, which means that Senator Obama has eaten into her base. Yeah, I know that it reaching, but no more that Senator Clinton reaching by trying to say that if we counted FL & MI, I would be ahead. Bottom line, PA's temporary advantage changed nothing and if will son be obliterated by NC.
Come on.Hillary does not know the difference between poem reading and sniper fire , you think she is going to get this calculation. I mean, this women, was 10 million in debt a week ago and claims to be ready from Day One to help our economy. Why can't hillary's supporters see this?
The fact is that 9.3 is 9 and not 10. We have been taught this for years. 9.5 or greater would have been a 10. The reporting by the media is bias on this one, since it is clear that for a long time pundits/media/Senator Clinton surrogates were all saying that she will win by double digits. Congressman Murtha said it would have been 11%.
I am neutral in this game and am not supporting either candidate and would encourage the media to report facts and do not spin a single digit win into a double digit win. Shame on you CNN/Fox news/MSNBC/ABC etc.
This is stupid and not an issue. Let's get real people. It is what it is. The reality of it is when they get through counting he may have more delegates than her. She may win the big states but she can't win the populated areas.
C'mon, we all know that the media wants this to drag out as long as possible, it's good for ratings. Thta's why the numbers get fudged to make the race appear closer than it really is. After all is said and done, Clinton only picked up 10 delegates for her win. That's the REAL story.
Why is this buried in the Ticker and not a headline?
We must have TRUTH in reporting not SPIN.
The media will have plenty of copy when writing about the differences between Obama and McCain.
IT IS TIME TO MOVE ON.
Clinton won; we all agree there. The fact that she's claiming she got the necessary double-digit victory is what is in question. She did not. Again she lies to the American people to try and win this contest. Counting Michigan votes to inflate her popular vote over Obama's....come on, Clinton.
Why can't you close the deal by a 20 point margin except in Arkansas and yet you expect to do it 9 times in a row now? You're just hoping you can drag up some filth on Obama between now and the end of the race so that this might happen. Truly despicable....
It doesn't matter to her because she can tell her people she won by 75% and they would believe her.
I not sure the 1 point will make the difference. I will say this, there is alot of talk about Clinton still being able to win the nominations with her argument to the superdelegates. If this swings in her favor the Democratic party will loose just about every African American vote (those that will show up to vote). It would be completly wrong to take the nomination from Obama if he has the numbers. You think the people in FL & MI are upset, if Hillary's numbers don't add up, African Americans, myself included, will be in an uproar.
Val, Fox News? Hahaha..have fun. Hey, you might as well vote for McCain. Seems like most of Hillary's "educated" (wink, wink) supporters are doing that now. They seemed to enjoy the last 8 years and want more of it.
Now we're cookin'... this is diffenitly some news we can use. Let's just be honest CNN and say that she had a 9 point victory and apologize for the miss information. Don't worry, your ratings will sky rocket for being the only media outlet to tell the truth!
The Obama guy has met his match. HA HA HA HA
Of course it is 9,3 and it should in fact be referred to "9". But Clinton tends to exaggerate things as we all know too well ....
What ever the margin, wither or not it is 1 point or 9.34 or 10, the fact is that Hillary Clinton BEAT Obama! Even though Obama out spent her by a margin of 3 to 1, Hillary still BEAT Obama,
It shows that Obama DOES NOT have what it takes to beat Hillary, let alone beat McCain come November.
Hillary Clinton DOES HAVE the popular vote and at the end of this fight, she will have the nomination of the Democrat Party, and will go one to beat McCain in November.
Keep up the fight, all the way to the convention!
You don't round percentages in races this close. Accuracy does count for something.
the media has the same math problem as Billary. that is why this country is in trouble. Can't do simple arithmetic! And then anyone that can put a noun and a verb in the same sentence, you want to call him an elitist. His Columbia/Harvard education wasn't easy to come by. At least he paid his bills. America is mean spirited, cold and calculated. I can see why people feel that way.
Tell Billary to take that 10 million and PAY HER BILLS!!
Well, the facts do not seem to matter to Ms. Clinton. She is trying to say she has the popular vote now by including Michigan where Obama was not even on the ticket and Florida where thousands of voters said they did not even vote because they were told it was not official. So what is her deal anyway.....have you guys got no pride.
C'mon, we all know that the media wants this to drag out as long as possible, it's good for ratings. Thta's why the numbers get fudged to make the race appear closer than it really is. After all is said and done, Clinton only picked up 10 delegates for her win. That's the REAL story
I agree 100%. This is the STORY. We are about DELEGATES.
Hillary would like you believe it is about ELECTORAL VOTES.
Well if it really matters that much then set the record straight on the air for all to see and hear.
Nevertheless, Clinton only got 20 total delegates more that Sen. Obama from PA.
Sen. Obama is still ahead in States won (30 out of the 45); has more pledged delegates (1487 to her 1331) ; and he has more popular votes ( he leads by 500, 610).
FINALLY someone acknowledges that she won by single digits. I was under the impression it was 8.6% – but 9% is close. It's simple math...if it falls below .5, you round down..NOT up. Thanks media. You guys are great.
They aren't competing for percentages, they are competing for delegates. A simple idea that Hillary cannot grasp. Simply put, she did not make a substantial dent on Obama's delegate lead.
Are you smarter than a 5th grader? 1,724 is greater than 1,589.
Did I just hear Obama picked up yet another superdelegate from Oregon? 1,725 is still greater than 1,589
Whether you like Hillary Clinton or not, but you will agree that she has a remarkable ability to tell all kinds of lies and half-truths with the same smile on her face. It is amusing to watch her audiance applaud as if they, like Hillary, do not know the difference between illusion and sad reality.
NorthCarolinian
Clinton's very clearly described in detail an event in Bosnia that simply did not happen – this is a little scary – was she dreaming while she was awake. Is she dreaming now. Someone needs to wake her up and the press is clearly sleeping on the job. She does not have a chance of winning-yet she is treated by the press as a viable candidate. Her continued presence in this primary is indicative of another flight of fantasy on her part and the press is timid to expose this reality.
Too late now to point out. Hillary already got the extra credit. for the test
Obama avoids debates…
He can deliver good speeches…
The advantage is that he can bring leaders from Iran, Syria and other countries and give them a lecture…
LOTS OF TIME WILL BE SAVED….
THIS IS THE CHANGE OBAMA IS TALKING ABOUT…
I find it funny that Hillary supporters like to pretend that Obama spent more money than Hillary just because Hillary didn't want to be wasteful. Obama spent more money than Hillary because he raises more money than she does. By the way, Hillary's campaign entered the month into debt. Maybe she can take some of the money her campaign raised and pay off some creditors.
Way to spin a negative into a postive!
Most of the media seems to forget (conveniently) that Hillary had a 20 point lead just a short time ago in Pa.
What happened to that story? Yes she won and lets give her credit for that but lets have the whole story. This is where people get so frustrated–why are we getting just half the story? Seems that this story is not enough of a headline so lets forget and just do what is sensational.
""I hope the likes of Republican Joe Scarborough will acknowledge that it was not 10% after all; or, will it be buried as is positive information on Obama.""
I think the media correction that Hillary didn't in fact win Pennsylvania by double digits is about as likely to happen as the media correction that Hillary didn't actually win Texas.
Sarcastic RUBBISH!
Clearly, we should all understand the math.....she won by 9.3 pts. and to call that double-digit is wrong. In this election that so much seems to be based on perception....it is unfair to call it a 10 pt. win.
Of course, Hillary is seeming to make a number of mathematical mistakes lately.....her campaign check book, how many elected delegates are left to be distributed, and how meaningful is a popular vote when your name is the only name on the ballot.
Hillary is really doing an injustice to her supporters with her constant misleading. If she can't win fairly, the lady needs to drop-out and support Barack Obama.
For CNN to continue to refer to it as a double digit is completely and utterly misleading, mathematically incorrect, and gives Clinto credit where no credit is due. Shame on you.
imagine what kind of rounding clinton will use on your taxes.
you people better vote for obama or you're asking for a term worse than bush.
yep. worse than bush.
Hillary and her campain are in denial...no other explanition other then ego...if she was leading Bil, Hillary and everybody else rooting for her would have made sure Barack would have been out after she had won 11 states in a row...give it up Hillary...
OBAMA 08/12
It is 9%. Let's be accurate. No need for spin.
CNN will fabricate anything and stoop as low as necessary to play favorites. CNN does NOT report News..........it Screws the News.
bottom line is he lost a big state – again.
for sure pennsylvania would go to mccain rather than obama.
he is lucky the dem primaries are complicated not winner take all. hilary would have run away with the nomination by now.
I still want to know how this is a win? I think the delegates should all go to the winner of the state. Isn't that how the General Election works?
Just wondering?
I am admittedly a Clinton supporter, and not trying to bash Obama here, but who really cares if it's 9%, 9.31% or 10%? She won and she won big.
Okay, so compromise , she won by 9.3%. Not exactly a double digit lead.
The numbers should matter simply because accuracy is always important in elections, whether its 1 point or 10. If the difference between 9 and 10 alters how the delegates are awarded then I expect both campaigns will fight like mad. I guess the question is whether or not they are awarded on round numbers.
About time this gets reported... Thank you CNN.She won by 9 as since it was low a low 9 it gets lowered not promoted up to 10.. WTG Obama we did awesome in PA and we know it.. Now to NC and IN as its time to seal the deal here...
Obama 08
oh noes dont wanna make the blacka angry. I am scared not.
Why don't you people get a life. What does it matter 9 or 10 the woman won. Give her a break.
So her win was actually 9.31%? Not 10%? That's it! She should drop due to these semantics! Please! Oh, and let's ignore absentee ballots.
CNN always lieing for Hillary she won by 9% this is worst election I ever witness CNN needs to come out and say they support Hillary, ask CNN what the percentage for Hillary in North Carolina
Obama stopped Hillary just as he wanted to. With all the negativity and attempts to distroy him, she could not win big, yea, 9%. Since she claims more experience and electability she would not have to stoop too the lowest degree to be elected. I at one time admired the Clinton's back in the 90's but not this time. It is truly time for a change and Mr. Obama is the one. I will, as a Dem support which ever one wins, because i believe in the unity of Dem. Therefore, my fellow Dem lets not lose sight.
Normally when you round a number it is the total that gets rounded so why is Hillary's math so different. It's 9%. Wow she's turning the media and all her backers into crooks and liars.
Hillary is a gangster.
9 or 10
Fact is she still won.
Just like Obama is still winning and has been winning for some time now.
I don't understand this party can be so foolish. It's simple, Hilary can't win with just the votes anymore. She needs the superdelegates to win and if she is a woman of any pride she wont take the nomination if it's handed to her.
Look, she'll round up when it serves her purpose and round down when it does not. What's new. Her and her whole campaign are
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A 9.5 could be rounded up to 10 for reporting purposes, but since such political hay was made of Hillary getting a double-digit win, to claim that achievement would require a raw, pure, unrounded 10 or better.
A victory of 9.99% rounds to 10, but doesn't meet the double digit margin standard.