April 24th, 2008
03:05 PM ET
7 years ago

Was Pennsylvania a double-digit Clinton win - or not?

Did Clinton get a double-digit win?
Did Clinton get a double-digit win?

(CNN) - It's one little point that's making for a whole lot of discussion. Was it 9 points or was it 10? That’s the question many people are asking about Hillary Clinton’s margin of victory over Barack Obama in Tuesday’s Pennsylvania Primary.

According to the most up-to-date vote totals from the Associated Press - used by all networks and national news organizations - Clinton won 1,260,208 votes in Pennsylvania to Obama’s 1,045,444. If you break it down by percentages, that’s 54.65 percent for Clinton and 45.34 percent for Obama. If you round up the Clinton number to 55 percent and the Obama number is rounded down to 45 percent, you get a ten point margin of victory for Clinton.

But if the difference between 45.34 and 54.65 is 9.31 percent - the margin of victory for Clinton - the result should be rounded down to nine percent.

Got it?

(Updated numbers after the jump)

Why does this matter? Maybe because the candidates spent six long weeks campaigning in Pennsylvania, and because so many political pundits said Clinton needed to win Pennsylvania by double digits to keep her bid for the Democratic presidential nomination alive.

But regardless of the margin of victory in Pennsylvania, the race has now moved on to Indiana and North Carolina, the next battlegrounds in the road to the White House.

UPDATE: As the count in Pennsylvania continues, Clinton's margin has edged up slightly. According to the latest tally released by the Associated Press, she now has 1,260,416 votes, or 54.7 percent of the total; Obama has 1,045,910 votes, or 45.3 of the total. That makes the current margin of victory for Clinton 9.4 percent, which still rounds down to a 9-point victory.

soundoff (464 Responses)
  1. Jennifer

    For accuracy in reporting call it 9.3 or 9. Clinton did NOT win by DOUBLE DIGITS like she needed to.

    She also doesn't have more of the popular vote.

    The MEDIA and the AMERICAN people must hold her accountable to play by the established rules.

    A LIE is a LIE not spin or delusion.

    April 24, 2008 01:26 pm at 1:26 pm |
  2. Monica

    I meant nonsense. See, I can use a dictionary, maybe CNN can use a calculator.

    April 24, 2008 01:26 pm at 1:26 pm |
  3. Joel

    It's clear why the media is reporting it as a double-digit win – and why the media is even reporting that Hillary has a shot – because the longer the democratic nomination takes – the more ratings and $$$$$$$ the media gets.

    This race should have been over LONG ago, but the media won't let it die because they are reaping huge profits from this.

    Disgraceful.

    GO [away] HILLARY!

    April 24, 2008 01:26 pm at 1:26 pm |
  4. s.b.

    Wow, can you you say petty.

    April 24, 2008 01:26 pm at 1:26 pm |
  5. OBAMA '08

    It clearly wasn't a double-digit win for her!! 9.31% c'mon how do you at CNN round up 9.31% to 10%?? Its not a double-digit win for her so it was a complete loss when you look where Barack Obama came from! 4 weeks ago he trailed Hillary by almost 25% now its down to 9.31%
    Hillary its time to drop out! We don't want you in the White House, period!

    April 24, 2008 01:26 pm at 1:26 pm |
  6. Vic

    In our tax returns it is rounded down to 9 :)

    April 24, 2008 01:26 pm at 1:26 pm |
  7. Voter4 Change

    Yes, Monica U.S. is WEAK in math and science but CNN is great making POWDER ROOM talk for Hillary being top news so they can avoid the FACT Obama is CHANGE that will remove thirty years of the same American Families CONTROLLING the White House!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    CNN is ALLOWING Hillary free news to KEEP the Clinton Dynasty CONTROLLING the White House!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    April 24, 2008 01:27 pm at 1:27 pm |
  8. Karin

    Yes I get it ....but this in not a time sheet for work ....This is voting for presidential nomination....So we dont go rounding things off..... twist things to fit to a person needs........ and this thing your saying.... (but if the difference between 45.34 and 54.65 is 9.31% then margin of victory for Clinton is rounded at 9%)........NOT...... Like I said before if you need an accountant call me......this is still a 8.3% win for Hillary.......You cant fool me and anyone that knows accounting.......So stop playing with the people minds of AMERICAN PEOPLE......because from this day on I'm going to keep AMERICANS who read comments on cnn in the now with the real % count..........

    April 24, 2008 01:27 pm at 1:27 pm |
  9. JN

    Billary only won by 9%..She'll be saying she win by 10%..just like saying she WON in Texas....What a liar!!!!

    "Ha Ha Billary, YOU ONLY ONE BY 9%..NOT DOUBLE DIGITS LIKE YOU THINK!!!

    April 24, 2008 01:27 pm at 1:27 pm |
  10. CJAM457

    Robin, ICAM! I thought the same thing when hubby and I talked about the margin of victory. And Monica is right too. It's no wonder the USA is getting a failing grade when it comes to Math and Science. The media perhaps wants to make the "so called victory" appear to be more than it truly was. And the margin was only 9.31 there WAS NO DOUBLE digit for the win,,,,,face it America, the truth does hurt sometimes!

    9.31 9.31 9.31 9.31 9.31 STILL DOES NOT EQUAL 10!!

    April 24, 2008 01:27 pm at 1:27 pm |
  11. Donna

    You cannot round-off .31 to be a whole, because it is less than .50 or one half. Did the math rules change at some point?

    April 24, 2008 01:27 pm at 1:27 pm |
  12. Jim, Indiana

    When are we going to count the spreads in Florida and Michigan???

    April 24, 2008 01:28 pm at 1:28 pm |
  13. Dennis

    I thought John Stewart's take on the margin of victory on The Daily Show was the best. Loved the analogy to the Death Star Run from Star Wars.

    April 24, 2008 01:28 pm at 1:28 pm |
  14. WH

    OMG..........CNN this is pretty pathetic even for you. Obama supporters are the biggest sorest losers I have ever seen in my life. What a bunch of whiners.

    April 24, 2008 01:28 pm at 1:28 pm |
  15. James, IN

    Thanks CNN for making a big deal out of it. Saying it is a double digit win. When actually it was not.

    April 24, 2008 01:28 pm at 1:28 pm |
  16. John Smith

    I guess "folks" in small towns and states are "smarter and more educated" than folks in the BIG states!! Hillary is from NY–

    NY, PA, FL, CA etc. (except TX), continue to amaze us! Just look at the "wisdom" of the smaller states– Indianna, NC, Iowa etc.– . Left to them, this madness would have been over with before now!!

    April 24, 2008 01:29 pm at 1:29 pm |
  17. Sam

    JUST FOUND OUT – FOR THE LAST TELEVISED DEBATE, GEORGIE GAVE BILL CLINTON THE QUESTIONS PRIOR TO THE DEBATE AND BILLY BOY ADJUSTED THEM ACCORDINGLY! IF THE MEDIA WILL JUST OPEN ITS EYES, IT WILL HIT PAY DIRT WITH THIS ONE!

    GO CNN!

    April 24, 2008 01:29 pm at 1:29 pm |
  18. Very Disappointing

    I guess Hillary is using HIllogic when it comes to math. I know she is smarter than this and better than this. Go back to when she wanted have a conversation with america to I am leading the popular vote if you count the states that were not going to be credited. I am really shocked and I thought she was much better than this.

    Good Luck.

    April 24, 2008 01:29 pm at 1:29 pm |
  19. Florida For Obama

    You should round it down for that STUPID comment she just made about having the popular vote by picking what states in her mind counted. wow.

    April 24, 2008 01:29 pm at 1:29 pm |
  20. cecil

    Report The Facts Please! A Win is 50% +1.

    If it's 9.2 than report it, 9.2, what's the problem CNN, CBS, NBC, ABC. or any other news group!

    Obama 08

    April 24, 2008 01:29 pm at 1:29 pm |
  21. Terry

    I agree that this issue DOES matter. CNN (Clinton News Network) and other mainstream media outlets have been relentlessly saying Hillary won by "double-digits" when that was clearly false. This wreaks of media bias and misinformation.

    There was no justice in the reporting of the PA race, but payback will make a comeback when Obama wins in NC and Indiana.

    Obama 2008!!!

    April 24, 2008 01:29 pm at 1:29 pm |
  22. chris

    Just say 9.5, that's two digits... esp. if you're a Clinton =)

    April 24, 2008 01:29 pm at 1:29 pm |
  23. heathj

    This is good news. Hope Fox and MSNBC do the math also. Thanks.

    April 24, 2008 01:29 pm at 1:29 pm |
  24. honkey white guy from cali

    It is a nine point win but she will lie just like Bosnia and every other lie she has told. I am not worried she can no longer catch up in delegates and that was the important thing. Obama will fly past her in the popular vote even with MI and FL that don't count and she will be bankrupt and still trying to go on.

    This is all part of the Clinton mind set that the presidency is owed to her!

    Go Obama 08 Yes we Can

    April 24, 2008 01:29 pm at 1:29 pm |
  25. Right on Day1

    At least they mentioned it. But MSM needs to allow Clinton spin to fuel the story.

    April 24, 2008 01:29 pm at 1:29 pm |
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