April 24th, 2008
03:05 PM ET
6 years ago

Was Pennsylvania a double-digit Clinton win - or not?

Did Clinton get a double-digit win?
Did Clinton get a double-digit win?

(CNN) - It's one little point that's making for a whole lot of discussion. Was it 9 points or was it 10? That’s the question many people are asking about Hillary Clinton’s margin of victory over Barack Obama in Tuesday’s Pennsylvania Primary.

According to the most up-to-date vote totals from the Associated Press - used by all networks and national news organizations - Clinton won 1,260,208 votes in Pennsylvania to Obama’s 1,045,444. If you break it down by percentages, that’s 54.65 percent for Clinton and 45.34 percent for Obama. If you round up the Clinton number to 55 percent and the Obama number is rounded down to 45 percent, you get a ten point margin of victory for Clinton.

But if the difference between 45.34 and 54.65 is 9.31 percent - the margin of victory for Clinton - the result should be rounded down to nine percent.

Got it?

(Updated numbers after the jump)

Why does this matter? Maybe because the candidates spent six long weeks campaigning in Pennsylvania, and because so many political pundits said Clinton needed to win Pennsylvania by double digits to keep her bid for the Democratic presidential nomination alive.

But regardless of the margin of victory in Pennsylvania, the race has now moved on to Indiana and North Carolina, the next battlegrounds in the road to the White House.

UPDATE: As the count in Pennsylvania continues, Clinton's margin has edged up slightly. According to the latest tally released by the Associated Press, she now has 1,260,416 votes, or 54.7 percent of the total; Obama has 1,045,910 votes, or 45.3 of the total. That makes the current margin of victory for Clinton 9.4 percent, which still rounds down to a 9-point victory.

soundoff (464 Responses)
  1. Sam

    I wish everyone would stop saying she was outspent 3 to 1. The Clinton name is a brand, so add up all the money they spent during Bill's four elections there add for inflation and then get back to me. But use real math, not Clinton math.

    April 24, 2008 01:30 pm at 1:30 pm |
  2. Very Disappointing

    I guess Hillary is using HIllogic when it comes to math. I know she is smarter than this and better than this. Go back to when she wanted have a conversation with america to I am leading the popular vote if you count the states that were not going to be credited. I am really shocked and I thought she was much better than this.

    I didn't think she would want to win this way.....I don't even want to win this way.

    Good Luck.

    April 24, 2008 01:30 pm at 1:30 pm |
  3. Ann

    You are, as usually, unfair. Yes, it was a victory.

    So it is 55% to 45%, period. Just report it.

    April 24, 2008 01:30 pm at 1:30 pm |
  4. Patrick

    Why is this even a question? The fact is she won by 9.31 points. If CNN or another news agency wants to round, they would round down to 9. The question is why does CNN still report a 10 point victory like in their headline story posted after this one, Clinton's Money, Can She Compete?

    April 24, 2008 01:30 pm at 1:30 pm |
  5. Dif

    Are you a math teacher? When you are calculating with percentage you alway round to nearest whole number first then you will substract the difference. You all need to stop making a big deal out of this. She won now let us move on to the next states.

    April 24, 2008 01:30 pm at 1:30 pm |
  6. The American People

    Have you all been watching the Daily Show, anyway a possible improvement on your part.

    April 24, 2008 01:31 pm at 1:31 pm |
  7. Andrew

    The Clinton campaign will just come back with some sort of "new math" to make it ten points. The same way they magically include Florida and Michigan to claim that they're ahead in the popular vote, even though those races don't count. Hillary, you can leave now as a party hero or you can take everyone down with you by insisting on being ridiculous. You've lost. Deal with it.

    April 24, 2008 01:31 pm at 1:31 pm |
  8. Sarah in TX

    9.3 or 10 is still less than her 20% lead 6 weeks ago... what happened?

    April 24, 2008 01:31 pm at 1:31 pm |
  9. Dave

    Hey,
    Can someone round up my paycheck?

    April 24, 2008 01:31 pm at 1:31 pm |
  10. Jerry

    Oh how happy the media must be today as they can drag up another
    2 weeks of stupid questions to ask before the next primary.
    When did they stop going to journalism school or do they only
    learn how to read a teleprompter.

    April 24, 2008 01:31 pm at 1:31 pm |
  11. LD

    I wish math stay math. Please, media do not ever forget that.

    April 24, 2008 01:32 pm at 1:32 pm |
  12. Chris in GR

    Regardless of any percentage from Tuesday, the fact of the matter is Clinton didn't win as much as she could have, or as much as she SHOULD have. It's basically a must win by double digits game for Clinton now.

    April 24, 2008 01:32 pm at 1:32 pm |
  13. LucieLee

    HecK, Clinton is lucky she got a 9%....She went from 8.6% to 9.3%, thats pretty good~!! I wish just once you folks in the media would stop trying to manipulate the facts.....get it?

    April 24, 2008 01:32 pm at 1:32 pm |
  14. Scott

    Well, let's look at the significant figures.. Hopefully, Obama can rap up this nomination after North Carolina

    April 24, 2008 01:32 pm at 1:32 pm |
  15. Marc

    Oh ok Obamanuts.. you win. Your guy LOST by 9.31 points not 9.5. I guess you can go celebrate now.

    April 24, 2008 01:32 pm at 1:32 pm |
  16. R. and C. Barnes

    Thank you CNN, that is NOT a double digit lead. The problem that many have with the slight difference between 9% and 10% is that all the media outlets are quoting she won by "double digits". I'd have no problem if they wanted to claim it was a 10 point lead, but I do have a problem if they want to simply call it a double digit lead. If that's how they want to play it, the fact is she won by 9.31%, which is NOT a double digit.

    April 24, 2008 01:32 pm at 1:32 pm |
  17. Garth Sheriff

    Senator Clinton won Pennsylvannia by "9% plus" and not double digits. Anything else is lazy reporting!

    April 24, 2008 01:32 pm at 1:32 pm |
  18. Ben

    That is great CNN! Obama talks about honesty, and if he is honest, he should acknowledge how nuch CNN helps his candidacy, albeit subtle just like in above to raise the doubt of Clinton's win with double digits.
    The main point my fellow Democrats is we need a strong Democrat, who is a fighter and who would be shrewd enough to understand and fight the evils to protect us and our needs in this whole competitive world. I'm sure that only Hillary Clinton can make us win this election, and also be patriotic enough to fight for all American's needs in the coming economic tough times. We all educated and college grads and post-grads better pay attention to that, or else we soon have to leave our families to work in India, China, and the fast developing other Asian and African countries. I want to be right here in USA, and Hillary sure can make that happen. This was proven before by Bill Clinton too!!

    April 24, 2008 01:33 pm at 1:33 pm |
  19. Peter

    IT IS A BIG VICTORY, TURN IT ANYWAY YOU WANT.
    Please stop on rounding the percent,. analize why Obama did not close the deal and He never will.
    What really matter is proving that not winning STATES SUCH AS PENNSYLVANIA, OHIO, FLORIDA , MICHIGAN AND OTHER SWING STATES, DEMOCATIC CANNOT WIN THE W.H.
    So think wich candidate is able to WIN.
    HILLARY 08

    April 24, 2008 01:33 pm at 1:33 pm |
  20. Les

    The results as reported by the state of Pennsylvania with 99.51% of counties reporting say that the ACTUAL numbers are

    Clinton – 1,238,351
    Obama – 1,030,805

    Which is rounded to a 9.2% difference on the website, so someone is wrong or not updating their website.

    April 24, 2008 01:33 pm at 1:33 pm |
  21. Bell the Superdelegate

    The fact is.. she was projected to win by 20% when the poll came out because of Penn's demographics. To only win by single digits (9 %) is short of the goal measured by which Clinton needed to make a good arguement to stay in this race.....

    but if you look at the Clinton's math it is consistenly wrong...

    "I got my 10% victory" - it is really 9%

    "I am winning the popular vote" - You are really loosing by more than 500,000

    "I won Texas" -- You lost in net delegates

    the list goes on..

    April 24, 2008 01:33 pm at 1:33 pm |
  22. Richard T. Brady

    Why does the media show favoritism towards Billary?
    This is an important point, yet it is not making headlines.
    Examine the fact that none of the commetators nor Billary were wearing flag pins during that idiotic "debate". But Obama was singled out and a big deal was made of it. In reality, the big deal there, was how silly and little the commentators are.

    April 24, 2008 01:33 pm at 1:33 pm |
  23. BAKERSFIELD

    DEPENDS ON PERSONAL DEFFINITION OF BLOW OUT
    COME ON PEOPLE

    April 24, 2008 01:33 pm at 1:33 pm |
  24. Regular Joe

    Why do you have to round it ? Press is suppose to present the facts, so stop rounding the number....period ! Its a close race, so let the people decide if this was good or bad for the politicians.

    April 24, 2008 01:33 pm at 1:33 pm |
  25. Margaret

    According to the Allentown, PA daily, "The Morning Call", the spread has actually settled at 8.2. This is hardly a double-digit win. A win is, however, a win. While I am an Obama supporter, I wouldn't have a problem with Hillary going through this primary season till June 3rd is over, but she's got to act like a Democrat, not a Republican. She is so convinced that she's the winner that she is willing to take the whole party down with her. Shame on Hillary and her supporters for losing sight of the bigger picture.

    April 24, 2008 01:33 pm at 1:33 pm |
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