April 24th, 2008
03:05 PM ET
6 years ago

Was Pennsylvania a double-digit Clinton win - or not?

Did Clinton get a double-digit win?
Did Clinton get a double-digit win?

(CNN) - It's one little point that's making for a whole lot of discussion. Was it 9 points or was it 10? That’s the question many people are asking about Hillary Clinton’s margin of victory over Barack Obama in Tuesday’s Pennsylvania Primary.

According to the most up-to-date vote totals from the Associated Press - used by all networks and national news organizations - Clinton won 1,260,208 votes in Pennsylvania to Obama’s 1,045,444. If you break it down by percentages, that’s 54.65 percent for Clinton and 45.34 percent for Obama. If you round up the Clinton number to 55 percent and the Obama number is rounded down to 45 percent, you get a ten point margin of victory for Clinton.

But if the difference between 45.34 and 54.65 is 9.31 percent - the margin of victory for Clinton - the result should be rounded down to nine percent.

Got it?

(Updated numbers after the jump)

Why does this matter? Maybe because the candidates spent six long weeks campaigning in Pennsylvania, and because so many political pundits said Clinton needed to win Pennsylvania by double digits to keep her bid for the Democratic presidential nomination alive.

But regardless of the margin of victory in Pennsylvania, the race has now moved on to Indiana and North Carolina, the next battlegrounds in the road to the White House.

UPDATE: As the count in Pennsylvania continues, Clinton's margin has edged up slightly. According to the latest tally released by the Associated Press, she now has 1,260,416 votes, or 54.7 percent of the total; Obama has 1,045,910 votes, or 45.3 of the total. That makes the current margin of victory for Clinton 9.4 percent, which still rounds down to a 9-point victory.

soundoff (464 Responses)
  1. Mike

    Money spent to introduce yourself to a group of indivdiduals who, irrespective of your message, were never going to vote for you. While on the surface it seems like a futile endeavor, Sen. Obama is quietly killing the speculation that he is unelectable.

    With no name recognition, and just 6 weeks to campaign, he reduced an enormous 30% margin to 9(yes 9) %. Pretty impressive.

    He continues to prove that given the opportunity to campaign, he is extremely formidable. I think that the semantics that Sen. Clinton is employing is transforming Obama into what the Republican fear most, hardened and battle tested. I

    f Clinton exposes all his negative now, what will Yosemitie Sam have in November?

    April 24, 2008 01:47 pm at 1:47 pm |
  2. Angela

    I guess we will have to go back to all the wins and get the exact % points so we can make a bigger deal out of this than it is. Who cares!!!!!!!!!

    April 24, 2008 01:47 pm at 1:47 pm |
  3. Appiah-Marfo

    I believe in clean journalism. Please lets your reportage devoid of bias. "Check, check and cross check" . Please do the right things, because so much is at stake.

    April 24, 2008 01:48 pm at 1:48 pm |
  4. Micheal

    On more thing. It is one thing to the Candidates to get the numbers mixed up or to lie about them. But for the Media to repeat the lie is beyond my understanding. Come on guys–is it too much to ask that you do your jobs?

    April 24, 2008 01:48 pm at 1:48 pm |
  5. Mike, Toronto

    Is 9.3 a double digit number? However, from the number of 'double digits' reports one could guess how much those networks are enjoying reporting this race...

    April 24, 2008 01:49 pm at 1:49 pm |
  6. Proud American

    Hillary the math does not add up. But then again nothing from your side ever does.

    April 24, 2008 01:49 pm at 1:49 pm |
  7. R.O.B.

    Yeah, she's probably not going to win but 1 or at most 2 of the remaining primaries. She should jus go ahead and gracefully bow.

    OBAMA '08

    April 24, 2008 01:49 pm at 1:49 pm |
  8. Tiffany from AZ

    What is the deal with Obama supporters making these snide comments about how uneducated Clinton supporters are (i.e., "Obama fans can do the math")? This is where the elitist accusation rings a bit true. I have a J.D. and I support Hillary Clinton and I know quite a few other educated people that do as well. I've seen the uneducated comments for weeks now, but I can't take it anymore. It's immature and is not a way to win people over to the Obama camp.

    The news media is doing it, too. Basically, the implication is that smart people vote for Obama, dumb people vote for Clinton. Sort of like early on in the primary, the implication was that "cool" people vote for Obama. Enough.

    This educated person is smart enough to not allow the media to decide my vote. I have listened to the facts, I have listened to the lies (of both candidates, might I add), I have done my research, and I support Hillary Clinton all the way! And by the way, I'm not old and I'm not a white racist (as so many people tend to try to categorize HRC supporters). I'm a 29 year-old Black woman, who is proud to support Hillary (at least, unless Barack gets the nomination).

    April 24, 2008 01:49 pm at 1:49 pm |
  9. Fly Boy for Obama

    Using the Hillary Book on logic let's count in the votes of "American Idol" and then America REALLY has spoken.

    Sorry Hillary, I supported you until you became a LIAR (sniper fire) & a CHEATER (counting Florida & Michigan).

    Sure Obama may be too honest at times, but isn't that what we want in Washington is honesty and the ability to remain on the issue versus SPINNNG everything.

    Hillary is like Karl Rowe in Drag, she will do anything.

    April 24, 2008 01:49 pm at 1:49 pm |
  10. Lynda

    The American press is practicing 'VOO-DOO' math in favor of Clinton.

    What happened to the honest reporting of the facts in the news.

    April 24, 2008 01:49 pm at 1:49 pm |
  11. Tommie

    I find it funny that Hillary supporters like to pretend that Obama spent more money than Hillary just because Hillary didn't want to be wasteful. Obama spent more money than Hillary because he raises more money than she does. By the way, Hillary's campaign entered the month into debt. Maybe she can take some of the money her campaign raised and pay off some creditors.

    Way to spin a negative into a postive!

    April 24, 2008 01:50 pm at 1:50 pm |
  12. Former Hillary supporter

    9%. Wooptidoo.

    Be it 9 or 10 percent, she had close to a 25 point lead six weeks ago. How can anyone believe she pulled off a huge victory? Six weeks of campaigning and her spread dropped 15 points? That's a HUGE loss.

    In fact, any state you go to, where campaigning was done (not in michigan or florida), her numbers always seem to decrease as time increases.

    April 24, 2008 01:50 pm at 1:50 pm |
  13. shaun

    It's obvious that the news media wants this to prolong the race for ratings, so don't be surprised by the amount of pro clinton coverage, or the overplay of obama mistakes they broadcast.

    April 24, 2008 01:50 pm at 1:50 pm |
  14. NC FOR OBAMA

    TO : Grace (Maryland) April 24th, 2008 1:24 pm ET
    "what's the point, Obama lost it anyway considering all the money he spent."

    SPENDING THAT MONEY WAS A GOOD THING. IT CUT HER LEAD IN HALF TO 105 SO THAT WHEN HE WINS NC HE CAN EAT THOSE POPULAR VOTES UP. ENJOY THEM UNTIL MAY 6!!!

    April 24, 2008 01:50 pm at 1:50 pm |
  15. Abiodun Esho

    Hillary says it all the time that she won by double digit but are you guys surprised? Did'nt ur Mama tell you? Once a liar, always a liar.

    April 24, 2008 01:51 pm at 1:51 pm |
  16. SLO Bear

    If Clinton is truly pro-education, she shouldn't play fast and loose with math; if she won't, the media should be ethical, e.g. actually reporting Obama's win in Texas.

    April 24, 2008 01:51 pm at 1:51 pm |
  17. Nora

    The media are the ones giving the percentage, they say she needed a big win like 20, she gets 9 but we have to say 10 because that makes it a double digit. Now she is the big winner. She gets to count Florida and Michigan, it is that new Math again, it only works for the Clintons. I want my kids to try that in school and see if they can get away with it.

    April 24, 2008 01:51 pm at 1:51 pm |
  18. Candi

    To me a blowout, of a 10 point victory would have been 56-44. At he start it was a 20 point lead and then it shrunk to 7 then 9. That 56+44=100 percent Hillary. 54.65+45.634=99.99 that is 100 rounded up because anything greater than 5 is rounded up less than 5 rounded down.

    April 24, 2008 01:52 pm at 1:52 pm |
  19. Frank

    Hillary Clinton is a very smart, a very well calculated person. She knew when to strike to get her point, and has very good skill, in term, how to brainwash the people at very critical point.

    She will do whatever it takes to get her throne, period !

    She has been putting herself interests above party, and no questions, she will put herself and her family interests above this country. Her first lady records tell us all. We, are the people, who have been (and will be) used to achieve her interests, yes, like her puppet. The world is watching her game and is laughing us !

    Prove ? google 'peter paul and clinton'. She should have a court date soon

    April 24, 2008 01:52 pm at 1:52 pm |
  20. fran

    One vote is a win and she won. Who said she needed a blow-out? The media and the Obama supporters who just refuse to face the fact that he spent 11 million of their hard earned dollars and lost. Of course he has the African-American vote and the youth vote, he wasn't spending that money to get their vote. He was spending it to get the blue collar vote, the senior vote and the woman vote, all of which he lost. At least I know my money to Hillary is working.

    April 24, 2008 01:52 pm at 1:52 pm |
  21. Lee WV

    Round all the numbers after the calculations,rounds to 9 in all elementary schools across the land.Hmm.. 9 is not a double digit afterall.
    Want to see real double digits wait toil NC and Obama 's lead.

    April 24, 2008 01:52 pm at 1:52 pm |
  22. Mark

    CNN has always seemed to favor Clinton. IE: Night before the Pennsylvania Primary, they have her on Larry King (even though they "say" they asked Obama to be on), then after the interview it is only Clinton supporters doing the analysis on the interview.
    CNN is an accronym for Clinton News Network. We have to accept that I guess.

    April 24, 2008 01:52 pm at 1:52 pm |
  23. charles

    CNN stop protecting your ever lying Queen. Were is the story about Clinton lying about Newzealand Prime Minister. calling her as former when she is still in office. Isnt that the worst foreign experience some one can have.is that what she has after 35 years, to make matters worse the Newzealand Prime minister responded to clinton lies by telling her that actualy she met former President Bill two weeks ago. What a shame CNN. show show some guts and report fairly had it been Obama who said this it would have been headlines already. SHAME ON YOU CNN!

    April 24, 2008 01:52 pm at 1:52 pm |
  24. Mike from Westchester

    The nomination is based on delegates, not margin of victory in one state. If we want to talk about margins of victory, HRC has six 10 point victories (only four over 11 points and only one over 20).

    Obama has had 23, 18 or which were over 20 points, 14 of which were over 30 points, and 3 of which were over 50 points.

    But who's counting.

    The count that matters is about +160 pledged delegates, +130 with superdelegates and the superdelegate gap is closing fast.

    Spin, lie, spin, lie, spin, lose.

    April 24, 2008 01:52 pm at 1:52 pm |
  25. dave

    The difference between 45.34 and 54.65 is 9.31 percent — the margin of victory for Clinton — the result should be rounded down to nine percent, and YES it does matter. This is high school mathematics. The press potrayed the wrong message.

    True – Many political pundits said Clinton needed to win Pennsylvania by double digits to keep her bid for the Democratic presidential nomination alive... and she did not get the 10 point lead or more. So it matters that the public understand that Clinton bid for nomination is sttill questionable ..she did not get the 10 point or more lead that was expected – that is a fact.

    There is no tide wave toward Clinton, otherwise her 25 point lead should have not shrunk. Obama made some inroads in PA and the press should report this. It is clear that the Press misguided many people with this inaccurate information..which did play well for Clinton and her campaign.

    April 24, 2008 01:53 pm at 1:53 pm |
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