April 24th, 2008
03:05 PM ET
10 years ago

Was Pennsylvania a double-digit Clinton win - or not?

Did Clinton get a double-digit win?

Did Clinton get a double-digit win?

(CNN) - It's one little point that's making for a whole lot of discussion. Was it 9 points or was it 10? That’s the question many people are asking about Hillary Clinton’s margin of victory over Barack Obama in Tuesday’s Pennsylvania Primary.

According to the most up-to-date vote totals from the Associated Press - used by all networks and national news organizations - Clinton won 1,260,208 votes in Pennsylvania to Obama’s 1,045,444. If you break it down by percentages, that’s 54.65 percent for Clinton and 45.34 percent for Obama. If you round up the Clinton number to 55 percent and the Obama number is rounded down to 45 percent, you get a ten point margin of victory for Clinton.

But if the difference between 45.34 and 54.65 is 9.31 percent - the margin of victory for Clinton - the result should be rounded down to nine percent.

Got it?

(Updated numbers after the jump)

Why does this matter? Maybe because the candidates spent six long weeks campaigning in Pennsylvania, and because so many political pundits said Clinton needed to win Pennsylvania by double digits to keep her bid for the Democratic presidential nomination alive.

But regardless of the margin of victory in Pennsylvania, the race has now moved on to Indiana and North Carolina, the next battlegrounds in the road to the White House.

UPDATE: As the count in Pennsylvania continues, Clinton's margin has edged up slightly. According to the latest tally released by the Associated Press, she now has 1,260,416 votes, or 54.7 percent of the total; Obama has 1,045,910 votes, or 45.3 of the total. That makes the current margin of victory for Clinton 9.4 percent, which still rounds down to a 9-point victory.

soundoff (464 Responses)
  1. TEH

    It must be that the HRC camp is NINE-Hater.. perhaps it was the number Billy had whoopies so they rather not bring that number to news.

    April 24, 2008 02:00 pm at 2:00 pm |
  2. mama4obama

    The numbers don't lie. She needed large double digit numbers to even call it a win.....that just simply didnt happen.

    Go home Billary...this country has obviously had enough.

    April 24, 2008 02:01 pm at 2:01 pm |
  3. Tammy - KCMO

    I guess it's no more misleading than some of the headings for your ticker articles. Guess we shouldn't expect more truth from the media.

    April 24, 2008 02:01 pm at 2:01 pm |
  4. Concerned....

    Could someone please tell me why Hillary supporters are so angry and resentful about the idea of Barack getting the nomination? I mean if a minority of Hillary supporters are saying they'd rather vote for McCain than Barack they really have some explaining to do. Would you seriously vote for McCain?? You'd have to be crazy to believe he'd change the most important issues facing us now. Or, are you just so bitter, yes I said bitter, about the possibility of Hillary not winning that you're just over-reacting by saying you'd rather vote for McCain? Sounds childish to me.

    April 24, 2008 02:02 pm at 2:02 pm |
  5. Tiachi

    to "Independent"... simply put and well said!!! I agree with you 100%

    April 24, 2008 02:02 pm at 2:02 pm |
  6. jon wikan

    Yes, finally our voices are being heard! I wrote in to CNN yesterday asking why Pennsylvania's official numbers had Clinton ahead by only 9.2% and CNN 10%. I would like if they would go on the air with it actually. Lets keep these news companies, politicians and corporations honest; write them when you see something that isn't fair. Just imagine how much oil we could save if people complained and boycotted big business retailers that have their doors wide open in the middle of summer with the air conditioning cranked! It's time the citizens of the United states (people in Central and South America also consider themselves Americans) started making a difference.

    April 24, 2008 02:03 pm at 2:03 pm |
  7. JAB

    Give me a break CNN – you have got to be kidding! Did Barack or his campaign bring that your attention. Guess you need to go back through all of the states and look at all of those percentages a little closer. Maybe Barack did not win all of them as posted. Geez get over it – what does it matter if it is 9.3 or 10.1. It is still over 200,000 votes more.

    April 24, 2008 02:03 pm at 2:03 pm |
  8. Dale Wise

    I guess it depends whether something called 'accuracy' is important to you. Obviously the Clinton campaign doesn't even understand the meaning of the word. The question is – does the media?

    April 24, 2008 02:04 pm at 2:04 pm |
  9. Justin

    Hillary is a liar. Hands down, she will twist the facts to make her case. It reminds me of George Bush and how he twists information to make things work for his ideas. This campaign is an insight into what her presidency would be like. It would be a lie fest, with Bill Clinton pushing his way back into the oval office as a fake VP. Enough is enough. HIllary needs to be called out on her half truths. A double digit lead is something like 11 plus percent, not 9.4. Her followers need to call her out on lying. It is getting old. It is destroying the party. Hillary needs to fess up to her dishonesty.

    April 24, 2008 02:04 pm at 2:04 pm |
  10. Anna, SW Missouri

    Gee, you suppose the MSM watched the "Daily Show" last night and now have to admit they were wrong in giving her the "double digit lead" they all tried to do.

    April 24, 2008 02:04 pm at 2:04 pm |
  11. Val

    CNN, you are incredibly biased and I am not even a Clinton supporter. Shame on you, CNN!

    Go Fox News!

    April 24, 2008 02:04 pm at 2:04 pm |
  12. b-liberal

    Obama wins a state by a few percent:
    headlines – Obama wins, sweeps, kills, victory, woo-hoo

    Hillary wins by 9%
    headlines – Hillary win doubtful, very suspicious, very sad

    End sexism in the media! It is OK for a strong woman to be a leader.

    April 24, 2008 02:04 pm at 2:04 pm |
  13. MMN - Milwaukee WI

    Hillary got the win in PA, whether in double digits or not it doesn’t matter. Only good thing is the voters are no longer baiting to Hillary’s deceptions and Obama is not falling in her traps either. The only one left playing tricks with Clinton is YOU the media. You will also learn real soon, like someone said a Clinton will pat you on the back while they piss on your leg. All over a sudden the media is setting goals for Hillary to achieve. You all forget who really counts (the voters). Who coined the double-digit win for her to be the benchmark? Simple math tells the truth and it harts for Hillary

    April 24, 2008 02:04 pm at 2:04 pm |
  14. Tim

    It just seems that the math doesn't add up for her no matter how you look at it. The important part of this is that she fell short of her track record in that area, which means that Senator Obama has eaten into her base. Yeah, I know that it reaching, but no more that Senator Clinton reaching by trying to say that if we counted FL & MI, I would be ahead. Bottom line, PA's temporary advantage changed nothing and if will son be obliterated by NC.

    April 24, 2008 02:05 pm at 2:05 pm |
  15. Chris

    Come on.Hillary does not know the difference between poem reading and sniper fire , you think she is going to get this calculation. I mean, this women, was 10 million in debt a week ago and claims to be ready from Day One to help our economy. Why can't hillary's supporters see this?

    April 24, 2008 02:05 pm at 2:05 pm |
  16. dorrett

    The fact is that 9.3 is 9 and not 10. We have been taught this for years. 9.5 or greater would have been a 10. The reporting by the media is bias on this one, since it is clear that for a long time pundits/media/Senator Clinton surrogates were all saying that she will win by double digits. Congressman Murtha said it would have been 11%.

    I am neutral in this game and am not supporting either candidate and would encourage the media to report facts and do not spin a single digit win into a double digit win. Shame on you CNN/Fox news/MSNBC/ABC etc.

    April 24, 2008 02:05 pm at 2:05 pm |
  17. Bridgette

    This is stupid and not an issue. Let's get real people. It is what it is. The reality of it is when they get through counting he may have more delegates than her. She may win the big states but she can't win the populated areas.

    April 24, 2008 02:05 pm at 2:05 pm |
  18. darrell

    C'mon, we all know that the media wants this to drag out as long as possible, it's good for ratings. Thta's why the numbers get fudged to make the race appear closer than it really is. After all is said and done, Clinton only picked up 10 delegates for her win. That's the REAL story.

    April 24, 2008 02:06 pm at 2:06 pm |
  19. Jennifer

    Why is this buried in the Ticker and not a headline?

    We must have TRUTH in reporting not SPIN.

    The media will have plenty of copy when writing about the differences between Obama and McCain.


    April 24, 2008 02:07 pm at 2:07 pm |
  20. Rich

    Clinton won; we all agree there. The fact that she's claiming she got the necessary double-digit victory is what is in question. She did not. Again she lies to the American people to try and win this contest. Counting Michigan votes to inflate her popular vote over Obama's....come on, Clinton.

    Why can't you close the deal by a 20 point margin except in Arkansas and yet you expect to do it 9 times in a row now? You're just hoping you can drag up some filth on Obama between now and the end of the race so that this might happen. Truly despicable....

    April 24, 2008 02:07 pm at 2:07 pm |
  21. Tjaye

    It doesn't matter to her because she can tell her people she won by 75% and they would believe her.

    April 24, 2008 02:08 pm at 2:08 pm |
  22. s

    I not sure the 1 point will make the difference. I will say this, there is alot of talk about Clinton still being able to win the nominations with her argument to the superdelegates. If this swings in her favor the Democratic party will loose just about every African American vote (those that will show up to vote). It would be completly wrong to take the nomination from Obama if he has the numbers. You think the people in FL & MI are upset, if Hillary's numbers don't add up, African Americans, myself included, will be in an uproar.

    April 24, 2008 02:08 pm at 2:08 pm |
  23. Chris

    Val, Fox News? Hahaha..have fun. Hey, you might as well vote for McCain. Seems like most of Hillary's "educated" (wink, wink) supporters are doing that now. They seemed to enjoy the last 8 years and want more of it.

    April 24, 2008 02:08 pm at 2:08 pm |
  24. tren

    Now we're cookin'... this is diffenitly some news we can use. Let's just be honest CNN and say that she had a 9 point victory and apologize for the miss information. Don't worry, your ratings will sky rocket for being the only media outlet to tell the truth!

    April 24, 2008 02:09 pm at 2:09 pm |
  25. J. Independent Guy

    The Obama guy has met his match. HA HA HA HA

    April 24, 2008 02:09 pm at 2:09 pm |
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