April 24th, 2008
03:05 PM ET
10 years ago

Was Pennsylvania a double-digit Clinton win - or not?

Did Clinton get a double-digit win?

Did Clinton get a double-digit win?

(CNN) - It's one little point that's making for a whole lot of discussion. Was it 9 points or was it 10? That’s the question many people are asking about Hillary Clinton’s margin of victory over Barack Obama in Tuesday’s Pennsylvania Primary.

According to the most up-to-date vote totals from the Associated Press - used by all networks and national news organizations - Clinton won 1,260,208 votes in Pennsylvania to Obama’s 1,045,444. If you break it down by percentages, that’s 54.65 percent for Clinton and 45.34 percent for Obama. If you round up the Clinton number to 55 percent and the Obama number is rounded down to 45 percent, you get a ten point margin of victory for Clinton.

But if the difference between 45.34 and 54.65 is 9.31 percent - the margin of victory for Clinton - the result should be rounded down to nine percent.

Got it?

(Updated numbers after the jump)

Why does this matter? Maybe because the candidates spent six long weeks campaigning in Pennsylvania, and because so many political pundits said Clinton needed to win Pennsylvania by double digits to keep her bid for the Democratic presidential nomination alive.

But regardless of the margin of victory in Pennsylvania, the race has now moved on to Indiana and North Carolina, the next battlegrounds in the road to the White House.

UPDATE: As the count in Pennsylvania continues, Clinton's margin has edged up slightly. According to the latest tally released by the Associated Press, she now has 1,260,416 votes, or 54.7 percent of the total; Obama has 1,045,910 votes, or 45.3 of the total. That makes the current margin of victory for Clinton 9.4 percent, which still rounds down to a 9-point victory.

soundoff (464 Responses)
  1. Helene

    Of course it is 9,3 and it should in fact be referred to "9". But Clinton tends to exaggerate things as we all know too well ....

    April 24, 2008 02:10 pm at 2:10 pm |
  2. Ken

    What ever the margin, wither or not it is 1 point or 9.34 or 10, the fact is that Hillary Clinton BEAT Obama! Even though Obama out spent her by a margin of 3 to 1, Hillary still BEAT Obama,

    It shows that Obama DOES NOT have what it takes to beat Hillary, let alone beat McCain come November.

    Hillary Clinton DOES HAVE the popular vote and at the end of this fight, she will have the nomination of the Democrat Party, and will go one to beat McCain in November.

    Keep up the fight, all the way to the convention!

    April 24, 2008 02:10 pm at 2:10 pm |
  3. B in NC

    You don't round percentages in races this close. Accuracy does count for something.

    April 24, 2008 02:11 pm at 2:11 pm |
  4. Obama supporter in New Jersey

    the media has the same math problem as Billary. that is why this country is in trouble. Can't do simple arithmetic! And then anyone that can put a noun and a verb in the same sentence, you want to call him an elitist. His Columbia/Harvard education wasn't easy to come by. At least he paid his bills. America is mean spirited, cold and calculated. I can see why people feel that way.

    Tell Billary to take that 10 million and PAY HER BILLS!!

    April 24, 2008 02:11 pm at 2:11 pm |
  5. sky

    Well, the facts do not seem to matter to Ms. Clinton. She is trying to say she has the popular vote now by including Michigan where Obama was not even on the ticket and Florida where thousands of voters said they did not even vote because they were told it was not official. So what is her deal anyway.....have you guys got no pride.

    April 24, 2008 02:11 pm at 2:11 pm |
  6. Decarla

    C'mon, we all know that the media wants this to drag out as long as possible, it's good for ratings. Thta's why the numbers get fudged to make the race appear closer than it really is. After all is said and done, Clinton only picked up 10 delegates for her win. That's the REAL story

    I agree 100%. This is the STORY. We are about DELEGATES.
    Hillary would like you believe it is about ELECTORAL VOTES.

    April 24, 2008 02:11 pm at 2:11 pm |
  7. Barack Obama 44th president !

    Well if it really matters that much then set the record straight on the air for all to see and hear.

    Nevertheless, Clinton only got 20 total delegates more that Sen. Obama from PA.

    Sen. Obama is still ahead in States won (30 out of the 45); has more pledged delegates (1487 to her 1331) ; and he has more popular votes ( he leads by 500, 610).

    April 24, 2008 02:11 pm at 2:11 pm |
  8. B

    FINALLY someone acknowledges that she won by single digits. I was under the impression it was 8.6% – but 9% is close. It's simple math...if it falls below .5, you round down..NOT up. Thanks media. You guys are great.

    April 24, 2008 02:11 pm at 2:11 pm |
  9. FB

    They aren't competing for percentages, they are competing for delegates. A simple idea that Hillary cannot grasp. Simply put, she did not make a substantial dent on Obama's delegate lead.

    Are you smarter than a 5th grader? 1,724 is greater than 1,589.

    Did I just hear Obama picked up yet another superdelegate from Oregon? 1,725 is still greater than 1,589

    April 24, 2008 02:13 pm at 2:13 pm |
  10. Naren Patel

    Whether you like Hillary Clinton or not, but you will agree that she has a remarkable ability to tell all kinds of lies and half-truths with the same smile on her face. It is amusing to watch her audiance applaud as if they, like Hillary, do not know the difference between illusion and sad reality.


    April 24, 2008 02:13 pm at 2:13 pm |
  11. Peggy

    Clinton's very clearly described in detail an event in Bosnia that simply did not happen – this is a little scary – was she dreaming while she was awake. Is she dreaming now. Someone needs to wake her up and the press is clearly sleeping on the job. She does not have a chance of winning-yet she is treated by the press as a viable candidate. Her continued presence in this primary is indicative of another flight of fantasy on her part and the press is timid to expose this reality.

    April 24, 2008 02:13 pm at 2:13 pm |
  12. L. Tran, TX

    Too late now to point out. Hillary already got the extra credit. for the test 🙂

    April 24, 2008 02:13 pm at 2:13 pm |
  13. v.ananthan

    Obama avoids debates…

    He can deliver good speeches…

    The advantage is that he can bring leaders from Iran, Syria and other countries and give them a lecture…



    April 24, 2008 02:14 pm at 2:14 pm |
  14. Tommie

    I find it funny that Hillary supporters like to pretend that Obama spent more money than Hillary just because Hillary didn't want to be wasteful. Obama spent more money than Hillary because he raises more money than she does. By the way, Hillary's campaign entered the month into debt. Maybe she can take some of the money her campaign raised and pay off some creditors.

    Way to spin a negative into a postive!

    April 24, 2008 02:14 pm at 2:14 pm |
  15. Barb

    Most of the media seems to forget (conveniently) that Hillary had a 20 point lead just a short time ago in Pa.

    What happened to that story? Yes she won and lets give her credit for that but lets have the whole story. This is where people get so frustrated–why are we getting just half the story? Seems that this story is not enough of a headline so lets forget and just do what is sensational.

    April 24, 2008 02:14 pm at 2:14 pm |
  16. Jack in ND

    ""I hope the likes of Republican Joe Scarborough will acknowledge that it was not 10% after all; or, will it be buried as is positive information on Obama.""

    I think the media correction that Hillary didn't in fact win Pennsylvania by double digits is about as likely to happen as the media correction that Hillary didn't actually win Texas.

    April 24, 2008 02:14 pm at 2:14 pm |
  17. E. C., Houston, Texas

    Sarcastic RUBBISH!

    April 24, 2008 02:15 pm at 2:15 pm |
  18. Ruth Ziegler

    Clearly, we should all understand the math.....she won by 9.3 pts. and to call that double-digit is wrong. In this election that so much seems to be based on perception....it is unfair to call it a 10 pt. win.

    Of course, Hillary is seeming to make a number of mathematical mistakes lately.....her campaign check book, how many elected delegates are left to be distributed, and how meaningful is a popular vote when your name is the only name on the ballot.

    Hillary is really doing an injustice to her supporters with her constant misleading. If she can't win fairly, the lady needs to drop-out and support Barack Obama.

    April 24, 2008 02:15 pm at 2:15 pm |
  19. Richard

    For CNN to continue to refer to it as a double digit is completely and utterly misleading, mathematically incorrect, and gives Clinto credit where no credit is due. Shame on you.

    April 24, 2008 02:15 pm at 2:15 pm |
  20. Remnice

    imagine what kind of rounding clinton will use on your taxes.

    you people better vote for obama or you're asking for a term worse than bush.

    yep. worse than bush.

    April 24, 2008 02:16 pm at 2:16 pm |
  21. W PA

    Hillary and her campain are in denial...no other explanition other then ego...if she was leading Bil, Hillary and everybody else rooting for her would have made sure Barack would have been out after she had won 11 states in a row...give it up Hillary...

    OBAMA 08/12

    April 24, 2008 02:16 pm at 2:16 pm |
  22. Rich

    It is 9%. Let's be accurate. No need for spin.

    April 24, 2008 02:16 pm at 2:16 pm |
  23. E. C., Houston, Texas

    CNN will fabricate anything and stoop as low as necessary to play favorites. CNN does NOT report News..........it Screws the News.

    April 24, 2008 02:17 pm at 2:17 pm |
  24. bo, NC

    bottom line is he lost a big state – again.

    for sure pennsylvania would go to mccain rather than obama.
    he is lucky the dem primaries are complicated not winner take all. hilary would have run away with the nomination by now.

    April 24, 2008 02:17 pm at 2:17 pm |
  25. Marshall

    I still want to know how this is a win? I think the delegates should all go to the winner of the state. Isn't that how the General Election works?

    Just wondering?

    April 24, 2008 02:17 pm at 2:17 pm |
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