April 24th, 2008
03:05 PM ET
10 years ago

Was Pennsylvania a double-digit Clinton win - or not?

Did Clinton get a double-digit win?

Did Clinton get a double-digit win?

(CNN) - It's one little point that's making for a whole lot of discussion. Was it 9 points or was it 10? That’s the question many people are asking about Hillary Clinton’s margin of victory over Barack Obama in Tuesday’s Pennsylvania Primary.

According to the most up-to-date vote totals from the Associated Press - used by all networks and national news organizations - Clinton won 1,260,208 votes in Pennsylvania to Obama’s 1,045,444. If you break it down by percentages, that’s 54.65 percent for Clinton and 45.34 percent for Obama. If you round up the Clinton number to 55 percent and the Obama number is rounded down to 45 percent, you get a ten point margin of victory for Clinton.

But if the difference between 45.34 and 54.65 is 9.31 percent - the margin of victory for Clinton - the result should be rounded down to nine percent.

Got it?

(Updated numbers after the jump)

Why does this matter? Maybe because the candidates spent six long weeks campaigning in Pennsylvania, and because so many political pundits said Clinton needed to win Pennsylvania by double digits to keep her bid for the Democratic presidential nomination alive.

But regardless of the margin of victory in Pennsylvania, the race has now moved on to Indiana and North Carolina, the next battlegrounds in the road to the White House.

UPDATE: As the count in Pennsylvania continues, Clinton's margin has edged up slightly. According to the latest tally released by the Associated Press, she now has 1,260,416 votes, or 54.7 percent of the total; Obama has 1,045,910 votes, or 45.3 of the total. That makes the current margin of victory for Clinton 9.4 percent, which still rounds down to a 9-point victory.

soundoff (464 Responses)
  1. Jimmy169

    Yeah, it's a single digit lead! Obama's the man!

    April 24, 2008 01:00 pm at 1:00 pm |
  2. Ken from Michigan

    Ever hear of accurate reporting?! Headlines should read 9.31%, and it gives a better picture of just how close this race is and how HRC distorts information! GAWD!

    April 24, 2008 01:00 pm at 1:00 pm |
  3. Fred up north

    All I know is , Hillary cannot win but she is making sure that Obama is so beat up that McCain will always have the advantage ! How selfish !

    April 24, 2008 01:00 pm at 1:00 pm |
  4. P, CA

    When we get caught up in the details, we lose sight of the big picture... who cares if it was 9 or 10? The President of the United States was considered at one time to be the most powerful person in the world (next to maybe the pope, i guess), and that image is fading fast. This infighting isn't helping.

    The point here is that the "kitchen sink" strategies and backbiting may have been an integral part of campaigns in the past, but people don't want that anymore. All the new voters came in because politics were becoming something they could understand, but the negativity is driving them back out again.

    Stay with the big picture. Stay with Obama. Do you really care about a flag pin? A pastor friend? Double digits?

    If someone is harping on these silly issues now(*ahem*Hillary*ahem*), what makes you think they won't be this pithy when they are POTUS? "I'm not talking with Iran because they won't wear flag pins showing Irani pride!!". Oh wait... Hillary AND McCain have suggested bombing them.. What's a flag pin after it's nuked?

    April 24, 2008 01:01 pm at 1:01 pm |
  5. Ryan

    For normal human beings, this would not be a double digit win since it is less than 10 points. But I'm sure Clinton will find a way to make it 20.

    April 24, 2008 01:01 pm at 1:01 pm |
  6. Rob

    God. Clinton Math is atrocious.

    April 24, 2008 01:01 pm at 1:01 pm |
  7. Scott ATL

    I'm a Obama supporter, and I say go ahead and give her 10 points... What difference does it make. Pennsylvania successfully stayed her execusion for 2 more weeks.

    I guess we'll just see how much more damage the Clintons can do to the Democratic party for the next 2 weeks...

    But we'll finish this for Obama in May...

    April 24, 2008 01:01 pm at 1:01 pm |
  8. proud army and navy mom

    it matters because Hillary has lied once again and said" i won by double-digits" when old girl knows good and well she didn't. when will she ever stop distorting the truth?

    April 24, 2008 01:01 pm at 1:01 pm |
  9. Omer

    This shows that Clinton is anything but honest! Now she wants us to believe too that she wone the popular vote.

    April 24, 2008 01:02 pm at 1:02 pm |
  10. vic nashville,Tn

    I know you are good in math

    54.65 nearest whole number 55

    45.34 nearest whole number 45

    55 – 45 =10 Ten is double digit number
    Now you got it

    I am Hillary supporter I know how to do the math

    Hillary 08

    April 24, 2008 01:02 pm at 1:02 pm |
  11. Nita

    UGH! That is how the media reported it. We all knew it was a 9 point win for Hillary.

    April 24, 2008 01:02 pm at 1:02 pm |
  12. Patrick, Albany NY

    The real question is: Does it matter?

    April 24, 2008 01:02 pm at 1:02 pm |
  13. MC, Pa

    9 or 10, does not change the big picture at all. There is no way the Clintons will be able to catch Obama. Face it.

    April 24, 2008 01:02 pm at 1:02 pm |
  14. Hillary McCain

    Yet, another Clinton lie.

    She does it so easily as if people are stupid. It kind of reminds me of a the last two Presidents.

    April 24, 2008 01:03 pm at 1:03 pm |
  15. IHH

    NOT 9.2 is NOT 10 no way, no how, no NEW CLINTON MATH. Send the wacko home.

    April 24, 2008 01:03 pm at 1:03 pm |
  16. Yemi

    thank you for the correction

    April 24, 2008 01:03 pm at 1:03 pm |
  17. Venus

    YES! President Obama is on his way! Pack it up Hillary!

    Hillary needed 64% of votes to win Penn-State! She now needs 68% of votes!

    And for you Hillary supporters and news media wanting to know why Obama can't close the deal---

    He closed it in Feb. when he beat Hillary with 10-wins!

    This is great! She is done! We are on our way!

    April 24, 2008 01:03 pm at 1:03 pm |
  18. Anonymous

    Clinton has all sorts of funny math, of course she will round incorrectly.

    April 24, 2008 01:03 pm at 1:03 pm |
  19. Deb Howieson

    Makes a big difference!

    April 24, 2008 01:03 pm at 1:03 pm |
  20. Mischelle from Illinois

    All right, who hired the STUPID person. YOU DO THE MATH beginning with 100% (actually 99.99 if you add both numbers) – AND of course you round up or else you REPORT the percentages with the decimals....AND if you don't report the percentages with decimals....anything over 9% IS ACTUALLY DOUBLE DIGITS.

    Go back to school!

    April 24, 2008 01:03 pm at 1:03 pm |
  21. Allen

    so its a 9 point margin of victory for Sen. Clinton

    while still impressive, it is NOT a Double Digit win

    April 24, 2008 01:03 pm at 1:03 pm |
  22. Dal

    It was not a double digit win at all.
    Then again Bill and Hillary would want it to be a double digit. Obama was 25% down at the start of this race and if he was 9.31% down at the end it was the best work for him.
    We should not forget the way Bill Clinton keeps pushing the race card in the states where he knows that the population will vote for a white rather than a colored person. He is an excellent judge of the sentiments of the American people who still are racially prejudiced.
    The day Americans can look beyond the race issue we will become a better democracy.

    April 24, 2008 01:05 pm at 1:05 pm |
  23. becky

    People need to wake up and realize this race is over.  So Indiana and North Carolina, you can vote for someone who has already lost or you can vote for Obama who already has won this race.   I keep hearing there is a race for popular vote.  If there is a race for popular vote, how do you count caucus states (i.e Alaska, Washington State, etc.) where there are no true popular numbers ?  So to me the popular vote rhetoric cannot be used by the super delegates in deciding this race.  Truly superdelegates should take a look at the delegate counts.  Both candidates will beat John McCain, so electability shouldn't be an issue.  Infact on the issue of electability,  the Republicans appear to prefer to run against Hillary, than Obama.  

    Bottom line, the Democratic Party has it's Presidential Candidate.  It is Obama.  He has won the most pledged delegates, he has won the most states, and given the fact that there is no true way of deciphering popular vote received by some of the caucus states it is unusable.   Regardless of the outcome of North Carolina and Indiana,  Obama has already won the Democratic primary for 2008.   The sooner people realize this, the sooner the party can mend and we move forward against the Republicans.  To vote for Hillary is like the Republicans still voting for Huckabee...   It means nothing..

    April 24, 2008 01:05 pm at 1:05 pm |
  24. Dan

    A win is a win.

    Did Obama spend $12,373,295.23 and still lose?
    Was Hillary outspent 3.236712346 to 1?
    Did Obama run 9,342 Ads and still lose?
    Is the avergage American family 2.5 people?

    April 24, 2008 01:05 pm at 1:05 pm |
  25. Jeff

    10% or 9.31% is doesn't matter. What does matter is that once Barack actually started campaiging he cut a 20+ point lead in half. This man is incredible!

    April 24, 2008 01:05 pm at 1:05 pm |
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