April 24th, 2008
03:05 PM ET
6 years ago

Was Pennsylvania a double-digit Clinton win - or not?

Did Clinton get a double-digit win?
Did Clinton get a double-digit win?

(CNN) - It's one little point that's making for a whole lot of discussion. Was it 9 points or was it 10? That’s the question many people are asking about Hillary Clinton’s margin of victory over Barack Obama in Tuesday’s Pennsylvania Primary.

According to the most up-to-date vote totals from the Associated Press - used by all networks and national news organizations - Clinton won 1,260,208 votes in Pennsylvania to Obama’s 1,045,444. If you break it down by percentages, that’s 54.65 percent for Clinton and 45.34 percent for Obama. If you round up the Clinton number to 55 percent and the Obama number is rounded down to 45 percent, you get a ten point margin of victory for Clinton.

But if the difference between 45.34 and 54.65 is 9.31 percent - the margin of victory for Clinton - the result should be rounded down to nine percent.

Got it?

(Updated numbers after the jump)

Why does this matter? Maybe because the candidates spent six long weeks campaigning in Pennsylvania, and because so many political pundits said Clinton needed to win Pennsylvania by double digits to keep her bid for the Democratic presidential nomination alive.

But regardless of the margin of victory in Pennsylvania, the race has now moved on to Indiana and North Carolina, the next battlegrounds in the road to the White House.

UPDATE: As the count in Pennsylvania continues, Clinton's margin has edged up slightly. According to the latest tally released by the Associated Press, she now has 1,260,416 votes, or 54.7 percent of the total; Obama has 1,045,910 votes, or 45.3 of the total. That makes the current margin of victory for Clinton 9.4 percent, which still rounds down to a 9-point victory.

soundoff (464 Responses)
  1. Easy Math

    Easy math, i guess only an educated Obama Voter could get it......9 points, not that it matters though

    April 24, 2008 01:12 pm at 1:12 pm |
  2. Josh

    Thanks CNN for finally setting the record straight. I've been really aggravated by the media and everyone I know saying she won by 10 points or by "double digits" when its simply not true

    April 24, 2008 01:13 pm at 1:13 pm |
  3. mike

    Definitely she likes civil war rather deserving bringing together this a multi- American people. If she was not, she would not stay in the race. ing in the race.

    April 24, 2008 01:13 pm at 1:13 pm |
  4. Barb

    At least the media is now paying attention to another example of Clinton's fuzzy math. I may not be a rocket scientist or a math genius, but even I can round numbers appropriately. 9 percent is not a double digit number.

    April 24, 2008 01:13 pm at 1:13 pm |
  5. DA'COLONEL

    I TELL YOU FUDGE THIS & FUDGE THAT AND HILLARY SAYS SHES A WINNER ....PLEEEEEZE GIVE US A BREAK

    April 24, 2008 01:13 pm at 1:13 pm |
  6. mike

    Definitely she likes civil war rather deserving bringing together this a multi- American people. If she was not, she would not stay in the race. ing in the race.

    April 24, 2008 01:13 pm at 1:13 pm |
  7. Carol/Lansing Michigan

    Facts, why do we need facts? Hillary will twist them into what we are supposed to believe anyway, right?

    April 24, 2008 01:13 pm at 1:13 pm |
  8. Rick in Florida

    WHO CARES ?? THE MAIN POINT WAS SHE HAD A 20 POINT LEAD AND BLEW IT, AS PEOPLE SAW THROUGH THE LIES. 60% OF THE VOTERS SAY SHE'S UNTRUSTWORTHY.....SHE CAN'T OVERCOME THAT FACT BY TWISTING THE TRUTH OR THE FACTS (YET AGAIN).

    SUPER-DELEGATES.....IF YOU WANT TO WIN IN NOVEMBER THEN YOU DON'T NOMINATE SOMEONE AMERICANS CAN'T STAND OR CAN'T TRUST....AND IF YOU DO, THEN YOU DESERVE TO LOSE.

    April 24, 2008 01:13 pm at 1:13 pm |
  9. OR for Obama

    Basic math learned in school....if the number is 9.51 you round up. If the number is 9.49 you round down. Simple, she won by only 9 points.

    April 24, 2008 01:14 pm at 1:14 pm |
  10. Emily, Northern Virginia

    THIS is what I've been waiting for SOMEONE to point out! Her double-digit victory was NOT a double-digit victory!!! She has lowered the bar and moved the goalposts so many times I cannot keep track. Someone has got to call her on all these things....count the numbers when they're good for.....doesn't count when they're not.....cauceses played by the rules...they don't count now? PLEASE!

    April 24, 2008 01:14 pm at 1:14 pm |
  11. Jeanne

    9 percent is certainly more accurate but at the end of the day, does it really make a difference?

    April 24, 2008 01:14 pm at 1:14 pm |
  12. Kim P. Atlanta, GA

    OK, Let's state the correct margin tonight; with same intensity as the forcast 10% margin.

    April 24, 2008 01:14 pm at 1:14 pm |
  13. Robin

    Perception plays a lot in politics, so it does matter.

    The media should reflect the 'real' results. Why round it to 10 which makes it 'look' like a bigger win than it was. Shows a little media bias towards Clinton with the aim being to prolong this primary race and keep the media ratings up.

    Please stop playing favorites

    April 24, 2008 01:14 pm at 1:14 pm |
  14. Josh

    Thanks CNN for finally setting the record states. Im really aggravated with the media and people saying Hillary won by 10 points or "double digits" when this is simply not true

    April 24, 2008 01:14 pm at 1:14 pm |
  15. GloriafromPA

    What I got is that the spread is 9% and not 10%. Why is this a side-note by CNN, instead of the way it is reported on TV? This clearly helps Hillary in a way that should boost CNN's revenues. Keep the fight going CNN. Create a false situation for Clinton supporters to rally behind, like when she was declared the winner of TX, even though Barack won the delegate race. This is a race for delegates is it not? You have a lot in common with Hillary, you both reinerpret the fact to mislead, to somehow personally profit. Really disgusting. Don't you think? Sure would like to see this posted.

    April 24, 2008 01:14 pm at 1:14 pm |
  16. Steve in Houston

    Yawn........

    This is why elections lately are so banal. We have the pundits and campaign wizards focused on whether a 10% win puts her back on the map. If it is exactly 10.0000000%, it is a "double-digit win" (as would be 15%, 25%, etc.) and the Hill hounds go wild.

    If it were exactly 9.0000000%, we have a "single digit win" and she does not have the momentum she needed and Obama cut into her lead.

    IT'S ONE PERCENT MAXIMUM, FOLKS.........

    In the end, she got 83 delegates, he got 73. Those are the facts.

    April 24, 2008 01:14 pm at 1:14 pm |
  17. KMAN

    The TRUTH is whatever Hillary says! sic sic sic

    I have gone from having a somewhat positive opinion of Hillary Clinton 6 months ago to one now where if I saw her in the the crosswalk ahead ... I'd have to talk myself into hitting the brakes! I suppose even political wh*res are people too!!

    April 24, 2008 01:14 pm at 1:14 pm |
  18. mike

    Definitely she likes civil war rather deserving bringing together this a multi- American people. If she was not, she would not stay in the race.

    April 24, 2008 01:14 pm at 1:14 pm |
  19. Marshall

    The numbers tell the truth.

    April 24, 2008 01:14 pm at 1:14 pm |
  20. Ilona Proud Canadian

    The political pundits said that Sen. Clinton had to win PA by the high double digits. Sen. Obama cut her off at the knees, by reducing her huge 26% lead to less than 10%. Now tell me truthfully, who do you think came out a winner. And when were these results a "convincing victory"?

    April 24, 2008 01:14 pm at 1:14 pm |
  21. Alondra

    Whatever! It's not going to make a difference in the delegate distribution so why should it matter? Can we move on so we can get this race behind us and work on the unification of the democratic party? After all the saying is "divide and conquer" and that is exactly what is happening. If we want to win in November we must not continue to play the game as the Republicans what us to play we need to take the lead and play the game the way we want to play it.

    Tired and ready to move on!

    April 24, 2008 01:15 pm at 1:15 pm |
  22. Jennifer

    She won by nine that's not a double digit
    Stop distorting the numbers for her CNN

    April 24, 2008 01:15 pm at 1:15 pm |
  23. Tom

    It is what it is. Or, rather, was. It's history now.

    April 24, 2008 01:15 pm at 1:15 pm |
  24. Happy Didier

    Tell me about 10% margin.

    April 24, 2008 01:15 pm at 1:15 pm |
  25. Edumacation at work

    I'm surprised this was even pointed out. Grade school taught everyone to round down if less than .5. But the story of 10 points(!) was just too great for the media to let slip by.

    Thanks for reporting a fact. Oh. You're journalists. I guess you're supposed to do that, anyway.

    April 24, 2008 01:15 pm at 1:15 pm |
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