April 24th, 2008
03:05 PM ET
10 years ago

Was Pennsylvania a double-digit Clinton win - or not?

Did Clinton get a double-digit win?

Did Clinton get a double-digit win?

(CNN) - It's one little point that's making for a whole lot of discussion. Was it 9 points or was it 10? That’s the question many people are asking about Hillary Clinton’s margin of victory over Barack Obama in Tuesday’s Pennsylvania Primary.

According to the most up-to-date vote totals from the Associated Press - used by all networks and national news organizations - Clinton won 1,260,208 votes in Pennsylvania to Obama’s 1,045,444. If you break it down by percentages, that’s 54.65 percent for Clinton and 45.34 percent for Obama. If you round up the Clinton number to 55 percent and the Obama number is rounded down to 45 percent, you get a ten point margin of victory for Clinton.

But if the difference between 45.34 and 54.65 is 9.31 percent - the margin of victory for Clinton - the result should be rounded down to nine percent.

Got it?

(Updated numbers after the jump)

Why does this matter? Maybe because the candidates spent six long weeks campaigning in Pennsylvania, and because so many political pundits said Clinton needed to win Pennsylvania by double digits to keep her bid for the Democratic presidential nomination alive.

But regardless of the margin of victory in Pennsylvania, the race has now moved on to Indiana and North Carolina, the next battlegrounds in the road to the White House.

UPDATE: As the count in Pennsylvania continues, Clinton's margin has edged up slightly. According to the latest tally released by the Associated Press, she now has 1,260,416 votes, or 54.7 percent of the total; Obama has 1,045,910 votes, or 45.3 of the total. That makes the current margin of victory for Clinton 9.4 percent, which still rounds down to a 9-point victory.

soundoff (464 Responses)
  1. Obama Voter 08

    Aw heck, be nice. Give the evil woman and extra 10 %, she still isn't going to win. By the way isn't her campaign fraud trial today or tommorrow?

    April 24, 2008 01:15 pm at 1:15 pm |
  2. Rebecca

    What does the United States call other countries who change their rules in the middle of an election to favor a particular canidate. Corrupt. That is exactly what Hillary Clinton and her team want to do. Change the rules in the middle of an election. According to the official rules this election is finished and Obama is the winner. Therefore, no more need for another debate so they can team up on Obama 3 to 1 again.

    I know Hillary won't quit until she is knocked out all the way, so Obama please knock her out. Give her a good solid knock out punch that lands her sprawling on the ground. Then give her a couple of good kicks to make sure she doesn't get back up. We're getting sick of her and her buddies nasty mouths.

    April 24, 2008 01:15 pm at 1:15 pm |
  3. Mary

    I thought the same exact thing on election night. It was a '9' not '10' point spread. Clinton's "crash & burn" tactics are becoming increasingly desparate & toxic – like the same old Clinton strategy. Why couldn't 'she' seal the deal on Super Tuesday? Because she's not what we're looking for. She would rather crucify Barack if 'she' can't be the nominee. Shame on you Hillary Clinton. Shame on you.

    April 24, 2008 01:15 pm at 1:15 pm |
  4. Silly Season

    Oh for petesake a win is a win, who is moving the poll now?

    April 24, 2008 01:16 pm at 1:16 pm |
  5. Loise in PA

    It does not matter, Hellary is still behind in delegates and should do the honorable thing: drop out

    April 24, 2008 01:16 pm at 1:16 pm |
  6. lynette

    Funny, I had this same discussion with folks, in math you round up or down to tne nearest denominator, WE ALL KNOW IT"S NINE! But let her have her ten, it was not a blow out like she hoped for, she cannot possibly catch up and the super delegates are not going to overturn the majority of the Country. GUESS WHAT???? ALL OF AMERICA counts, not just Ohio, New York and Pennsylvania (are Ohio and Penn even that popular in this Country???), and no she did not win Texas, Obama netted more delegates. She can even throw in Florida and Michigan, excluding those voters who selected other/undecided in Michigan, and she would STILL BE BEHIND! The media keeps spinning this election as long as they can for ratings. Clinton's race for the White House is over, now it's time to focus on Obama v. McCain.

    April 24, 2008 01:16 pm at 1:16 pm |
  7. Linda from DC

    It doesnt really matter. she only got a few delegates, not enough to make any end roads into Obama's lead.

    It is over for HRC. She is just the last to know.

    April 24, 2008 01:16 pm at 1:16 pm |
  8. Robert Pyke

    And if you use the expected pledged delegate count according to the Obama campaign, the difference is only 6 percent

    April 24, 2008 01:16 pm at 1:16 pm |
  9. Garret, Los Angeles

    Baloney! Hillary 2008!

    April 24, 2008 01:16 pm at 1:16 pm |
  10. Deb

    Do all the Fuzzy Math you want to!

    The fact is Obama is no longer a viable Candidate!

    He can't deliver the main stream votes needed to win in the general election.

    America will never elect a President that is an Anti-American!

    Hillary or McCain 08

    April 24, 2008 01:17 pm at 1:17 pm |
  11. pamela bernier

    It matters. That 'double digit' win is something that echos through the tide-is-turning tunnels. She had to get that 'double-digit' to make the case to carry on clawing her way to the nomination. Clinton math continues to deviate from what I learned in grade school- you round down under .5, round up over. 9.3 can't be 'rounded-up' no matter your spin. It was a single digit win. Oh, should we note this was Hillary's home state? Didn't Barak win his home state, by something like 32 points........of course, Illinois is not a 'big' state, a 'swing' state, a 'must-win' state, so those votes don't matter (of course except for the ones that Hillary includes in her new vision of the popular vote). How I hate the spin.....

    April 24, 2008 01:17 pm at 1:17 pm |
  12. berksdan

    And please that this is still 99% of votes, not 100%.

    Recall that the absentee ballots are not in yet. The word is that many young college students voted in their home district by absentee ballot, so Obama may pick up quite a few more votes.

    April 24, 2008 01:17 pm at 1:17 pm |
  13. Dan

    So we went through all that garbage for 6 weeks for Hillary to get 10 delegates? What a waste.

    April 24, 2008 01:17 pm at 1:17 pm |
  14. Rom

    The clinton camp is not good at math anyway...
    winning PA by double digit or nearly double digit, even by triple digit doesn't change the course of the contest
    He's winning and the only reason she's still in is because her name is CLINTON, they think they're entitled to the presidency
    Also, remember more than one month ago, political pundits did also say that she needed to win both OH and TX BIG to stay in the race.
    Final results: OH 10 points margin giving her an edge of handful delegates.
    TX 3 or 4 points margin primary giving her 3 or 4 delegates over
    but the TX caucus erased this edge, despite that, SHE'S STILL IN.

    April 24, 2008 01:17 pm at 1:17 pm |
  15. Minnesota

    Im sure that there is some interesting spin being devised by the Clinton Maniacal Machine...Lets see....perhaps something like "Obama outspent us 3 to 1 so the victory really should be mutiplied by 3 and so I should be awarded 27% delegates and popular vote from PA". Of course, she will also have to follow up with an position on why her name recognition is actually a bad thing and should be counted as a handicap making Obama's spending truly unfair without contradicting her position that everyone was happy and loved when Bill was president.

    April 24, 2008 01:17 pm at 1:17 pm |
  16. Rebecca

    Double digit victory sounds so much better so according to the Clintons that is what it is, period. If single digit victory sounded better then the Clintons would say that's what it is. Whatever is best for the Clintons!

    April 24, 2008 01:17 pm at 1:17 pm |
  17. Fran

    Give me a break. A win is a win, even if it is in Senator Clinton's column. I know it is hard for all of the anti-Hillary people to accept that fact. But in any other race, the person who finished first, even with a 0.01 second advantage, wins first place. Count Florida and Michigan and there is no debate about who the people want as their nominee. Hillary all the way.

    April 24, 2008 01:17 pm at 1:17 pm |
  18. Dylan

    9.3 does NOT round UP to 10!

    Only in the "Clinton Math" book, perhaps. The same book that still gives her a shot to win the popular vote.

    April 24, 2008 01:17 pm at 1:17 pm |
  19. Geri

    How petty can you get...better go over all the other states to make sure
    they got it right.

    April 24, 2008 01:17 pm at 1:17 pm |
  20. David in Illinois

    Where's the headline that says Clinton win only in single digits after all!!!!!
    CNN... You owe it to the world to correct the misconception that this was indeed not a double-digit win for the Clintons.
    Let Hillary do the math on this one!!!!

    April 24, 2008 01:17 pm at 1:17 pm |
  21. akaDoug

    Mathmatics is not the Clinton campaign strong point!

    That said it was a nice victory for Hillary, it will be short lived though, as once North Carolina and Indiana factor in, Obama's delegate and popular vote lead will be bigger than it is now!

    April 24, 2008 01:17 pm at 1:17 pm |
  22. Ludovic

    Ho my god !!
    You really need a math phd to follow this dem primary
    delegate math, popular vote math, and now PA primary math

    April 24, 2008 01:18 pm at 1:18 pm |
  23. joy

    Obama accept she bit you hands down

    April 24, 2008 01:18 pm at 1:18 pm |
  24. Jo Ann

    CNN please report the right number Hilliary did not win by 10 points
    if it was Obama, Clinton would be screaming and complaining so that
    you would have to report the right number. Be Fair is all I ask?

    April 24, 2008 01:18 pm at 1:18 pm |
  25. Robert in Albuquerque

    a win is a win is a win.. that's all that matters. She won some and he's won some. THey are both good

    April 24, 2008 01:18 pm at 1:18 pm |
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