April 24th, 2008
03:05 PM ET
10 years ago

Was Pennsylvania a double-digit Clinton win - or not?

Did Clinton get a double-digit win?

Did Clinton get a double-digit win?

(CNN) - It's one little point that's making for a whole lot of discussion. Was it 9 points or was it 10? That’s the question many people are asking about Hillary Clinton’s margin of victory over Barack Obama in Tuesday’s Pennsylvania Primary.

According to the most up-to-date vote totals from the Associated Press - used by all networks and national news organizations - Clinton won 1,260,208 votes in Pennsylvania to Obama’s 1,045,444. If you break it down by percentages, that’s 54.65 percent for Clinton and 45.34 percent for Obama. If you round up the Clinton number to 55 percent and the Obama number is rounded down to 45 percent, you get a ten point margin of victory for Clinton.

But if the difference between 45.34 and 54.65 is 9.31 percent - the margin of victory for Clinton - the result should be rounded down to nine percent.

Got it?

(Updated numbers after the jump)

Why does this matter? Maybe because the candidates spent six long weeks campaigning in Pennsylvania, and because so many political pundits said Clinton needed to win Pennsylvania by double digits to keep her bid for the Democratic presidential nomination alive.

But regardless of the margin of victory in Pennsylvania, the race has now moved on to Indiana and North Carolina, the next battlegrounds in the road to the White House.

UPDATE: As the count in Pennsylvania continues, Clinton's margin has edged up slightly. According to the latest tally released by the Associated Press, she now has 1,260,416 votes, or 54.7 percent of the total; Obama has 1,045,910 votes, or 45.3 of the total. That makes the current margin of victory for Clinton 9.4 percent, which still rounds down to a 9-point victory.

soundoff (464 Responses)
  1. Mike James

    HAHAHA Good point Monica

    April 24, 2008 01:19 pm at 1:19 pm |
  2. Anonymous

    Good that she did not say she was the president during 1992-2000, while Bill is VP.

    But who knows. she maybe say it next week.

    April 24, 2008 01:19 pm at 1:19 pm |
  3. JLV


    This really doesn't matter. The reason it's making headlines is because Big Media will go to any and every extreme to make Obama look good!

    Yet, we sit here and criticize Hillary for standing up for herself and going to those same extremes to make herself look good.

    Quote Obama: "A win is a win!"

    What else can we come up with to beat Hillary Clinton to death?

    April 24, 2008 01:19 pm at 1:19 pm |
  4. Tired of W, OH

    What? Clinton would manipulate the numbers to make herself look good? I don't believe that for a second! (Note the sarcasm)

    She's also been saying that she's won the most votes by including Michigan, a state from which she was supposed to remove her name from the ballot like Obama did. She also said that she had to win Ohio and Texas to stay in the race, and she's still in it, despite losing Texas. HIL-LIE-RY is shameless and it's shocking that she has any supporters at all.

    April 24, 2008 01:19 pm at 1:19 pm |
  5. Norisha

    Thank you...because it's in fact not a double digit win as most pundits and media are claiming it to be!!!

    OBAMA 2008!!!!!!!!!

    April 24, 2008 01:19 pm at 1:19 pm |
  6. DB, San Francisco

    I think it is far more interesting that by the latest counts, she only picked up 10 delegates! 10. That's it. Huge victory, huge spin, huge rhetoric, and only 10 delegates... And has anyone mentioned most of the counties she won normally vote Republican in the general elections?

    April 24, 2008 01:19 pm at 1:19 pm |
  7. shirley

    Finally, an article based on facts instead of Hillary's spin. I expect no less from the news media regardless of which candidate the article is about.

    April 24, 2008 01:19 pm at 1:19 pm |
  8. White/female/age 55/Texan

    Most elementary school math students know you do the calculation first and then do the rounding. But if the "double didget" claim makes the Clinton camp feel better, so be it. I'm sure the superdelegates are not going to be fooled by anything – they are, after all, either politicians themselves or in the business, ya know? They can see through the shenanigans.

    OBAMA 08

    April 24, 2008 01:19 pm at 1:19 pm |
  9. Mark Anthony

    Monica, you as well as I know when it comes to stats it all depends on the way you want to see the numbers it's clearly a 9% win. But you know the Clinton's " I didn't have sex with that woman" and "I misspoke!"

    April 24, 2008 01:20 pm at 1:20 pm |
  10. Monica

    Well let's see,
    He has 1719, let's round that down to 1700 and she has 1586, let's round that up to 1600. Oh my, she is only behind by 100. They have to get to 2025, so let's round that down to 2000. Just because you are reporters and you may not be able to do the actual math then get a calculator. She did not win by double digits and he is up by 133. So you played right into the Clinton peoples hands and are reinforcing their distortion to convince people that she got the numbers she needed to continue this nonscence. People who watch the news want the facts not your opinion and not your distorted way of rounding the numbers. When I watched the CNN, Fox and MSNBC the other night during the PA primary. Different hosts on each station said that she won Texas (these were not Clinton supporters on the air, it was media hired to report the news). She specifically won the primary, he won the caucus but he got more delegates according to Texas primary rules so he won Texas. Don't distort the truth, report the truth.

    April 24, 2008 01:20 pm at 1:20 pm |
  11. Marc

    Obamanuts, move your focus to Indiana and North Carolina. You lost PA, accept it.

    April 24, 2008 01:20 pm at 1:20 pm |
  12. laura, CA

    She won.
    99% reporting.

    April 24, 2008 01:20 pm at 1:20 pm |
  13. Nelson - Knoxville

    43 Mayors ans another Oregon Superdelegate have thrown their support to Sen. Obama.

    You, I and everybody know quite well that Sen. Clinton is just deciving us that she is still in the race. What she is doing now is just to make sure she cast enough doubt on Sen. Obama for a McCain presidency which will give her the opportunity to run again in 2012.

    I only hope to chiken hearted DNC would call her to order and stop her from making americans go through another four years of pains under the republicans.

    April 24, 2008 01:21 pm at 1:21 pm |
  14. Shasta

    This isn't a surprise. It's politics. Twist the numbers to support your own view, and when neither are technically wrong, that means that you're not wrong.

    April 24, 2008 01:21 pm at 1:21 pm |
  15. Desiree

    Obama himself has said a win is 50 plus 1 so what difference does this make, she won get over it and move on to the next election.

    April 24, 2008 01:21 pm at 1:21 pm |
  16. something has to change

    who cares she still won. This is so stupid.

    April 24, 2008 01:21 pm at 1:21 pm |
  17. Independent-woman-voter-for-Obama

    The Clintons won Pennsylvania. Not by double digits but a win is a win. So I will give them that.

    I am still disappointed that my fellow Catholics voted for the Clintons. They are thinking that having the Clintons back in the White House will have our economy back to where it was in the 90's but its not that easy or simple.

    Please Indiana, do your homework. Do not fall for the attacks, lies and pandering being done by the Clintons!

    Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton is NOT change!

    And please, remember that for ALL of her experience and 'wisdom' she VOTED FOR THE WAR IN IRAQ! How can anyone vote for anyone who got us into THIS MESS???????????????????????!

    April 24, 2008 01:21 pm at 1:21 pm |
  18. BJE

    Obama seems convinced he won?

    April 24, 2008 01:21 pm at 1:21 pm |
  19. Barack the Vote in RI

    9 isn't 10. Get it right.

    April 24, 2008 01:22 pm at 1:22 pm |
  20. Gideon

    If we round to the nearest hundred, Hillary got 100% and Obama got 0%, so it's a triple digit win!!!


    April 24, 2008 01:22 pm at 1:22 pm |
  21. Michael Templer

    the one point difference isn't that big a deal

    but when that difference is between 9 or 10

    it is in terms of headlines, fund raising, and political capital

    and it's too late to correct that now

    April 24, 2008 01:22 pm at 1:22 pm |
  22. Stacy Clarks, TX

    Okay, Im an Obama supporter till the end!!

    but really, this is useless!!

    either way, she won, congratulations to clinton, but let's get over it, and move on, and campaign hard in North Carolina and Indiana, and really put her away!!


    ps: I wish pundits will stop asking why didn't Obama end this--> HE DID WHEN HE WON 11 STRAIGHT CONTESTS!!! And she had to go negative to win!!!! And he ended it when he won so much that there is no mathematical way she can get ahead!!!

    OBAMA 08!!!!!!!!!!!!

    April 24, 2008 01:22 pm at 1:22 pm |
  23. James

    Now let's go back and make sure all of Obama's wins were not rounded up incorrectly. Talk about being petty. Is this a sign that O's supporters are a little worried ? Seems to be.

    April 24, 2008 01:22 pm at 1:22 pm |
  24. greenwell

    This is a very important point. The difference is just 9 point. So clinton failed to get the double digit lead

    April 24, 2008 01:22 pm at 1:22 pm |
  25. Jim Shimmer

    She has a 25 point lead. He closed the gap.. give it up Billary. No one likes you.



    April 24, 2008 01:22 pm at 1:22 pm |
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