April 24th, 2008
03:05 PM ET
10 years ago

Was Pennsylvania a double-digit Clinton win - or not?

Did Clinton get a double-digit win?

Did Clinton get a double-digit win?

(CNN) - It's one little point that's making for a whole lot of discussion. Was it 9 points or was it 10? That’s the question many people are asking about Hillary Clinton’s margin of victory over Barack Obama in Tuesday’s Pennsylvania Primary.

According to the most up-to-date vote totals from the Associated Press - used by all networks and national news organizations - Clinton won 1,260,208 votes in Pennsylvania to Obama’s 1,045,444. If you break it down by percentages, that’s 54.65 percent for Clinton and 45.34 percent for Obama. If you round up the Clinton number to 55 percent and the Obama number is rounded down to 45 percent, you get a ten point margin of victory for Clinton.

But if the difference between 45.34 and 54.65 is 9.31 percent - the margin of victory for Clinton - the result should be rounded down to nine percent.

Got it?

(Updated numbers after the jump)

Why does this matter? Maybe because the candidates spent six long weeks campaigning in Pennsylvania, and because so many political pundits said Clinton needed to win Pennsylvania by double digits to keep her bid for the Democratic presidential nomination alive.

But regardless of the margin of victory in Pennsylvania, the race has now moved on to Indiana and North Carolina, the next battlegrounds in the road to the White House.

UPDATE: As the count in Pennsylvania continues, Clinton's margin has edged up slightly. According to the latest tally released by the Associated Press, she now has 1,260,416 votes, or 54.7 percent of the total; Obama has 1,045,910 votes, or 45.3 of the total. That makes the current margin of victory for Clinton 9.4 percent, which still rounds down to a 9-point victory.

soundoff (464 Responses)
  1. CJAM457

    Either way it goes, Sen Billary got the win, or rather that battle, but she's not winning the WAR. That goes to Sen Obama who is still leading in the delegate count by a little over 140+. Billary has won the big states, but not all by a siginificant number. Sen Obama's lead comes from the people. The hard working, nail biting, sleepless nights, feed the family, pay the bills, tired of outsourced jobs Americans. WE are the ones who are putting Sen Obama where he'll be in November. We are not the racist, foul crying Americans that are voting for Sen Clinton, and YES she did play the race card, she and her husband. WHY? To play on the fears of those Americans who are not yet ready for a BLACK/Bi-racial AMERICAN to lead this country. And that's a sad vote for the USA. Color DOES matter BUT it won't win the WAR.

    April 24, 2008 01:23 pm at 1:23 pm |
  2. Micheal

    Look like the media is learing form Hillary too. "10% or 9%, what does it matter? No one expects to to be able to count and round numbers, right?

    April 24, 2008 01:23 pm at 1:23 pm |
  3. DD

    CNN, have you and will you count so precisely for Obama? Shame on you, CNN. So biase! You lost creditibility to me and many of my friends and collegues.

    April 24, 2008 01:23 pm at 1:23 pm |
  4. sb

    Thank you Gloria, I agree. Wolf and Anderson should be hosting a game show. Not commentating.

    April 24, 2008 01:23 pm at 1:23 pm |
  5. Nelson - Knoxville

    43 Mayors in NC and another Oregon Superdelegate have thrown their supports to Sen. Obama.

    You, I and everybody know quite well that Sen. Clinton is just deciving us that she is still in the race. What she is doing now is just to make sure she cast enough doubt on Sen. Obama for a McCain presidency (God forbids) which will give her the opportunity to run again in 2012.

    I only hope the chiken hearted DNC would call her to order and stop her from making americans go through another four years of pains under the republicans.

    April 24, 2008 01:24 pm at 1:24 pm |
  6. Grace (Maryland)

    what's the point, Obama lost it anyway considering all the money he spent.

    April 24, 2008 01:24 pm at 1:24 pm |
  7. Micheal

    Looks like the media is learing form Hillary too. "10% or 9%," what does it matter? No one expects us to be able to count and round numbers, right?

    April 24, 2008 01:24 pm at 1:24 pm |
  8. Karen from Va

    This sort of "calculation" doesn't surprise me, especially considering that it is on CNN's webpage. This is the kind of B-S that has been going on since the beginning of Senator Clinton's campaign. If she wins it is always downplayed and if she loses it makes headlines. I think the press has always favored Obama, whether the American people do or not. It is such a joke at this point. No wonder such an unknown and unexperienced candidate is in the lead. CNN has pushed Obama from the beginning. You cannot watch CNN for five minutes without seeing coverage of Obama. I think that Foxs News has been much more unbiased and fair on their coverage of the TWO candidates in this campaign. I wonder if this rounding off of the percentages of votes were ever mentioned about a state that Obama won. Come on....This is getting ridiculous.

    April 24, 2008 01:24 pm at 1:24 pm |
  9. seymore, pa

    you are correct 9.31 is rounded to 9

    April 24, 2008 01:24 pm at 1:24 pm |
  10. no2clinton, cambridge, MA

    Com'on, Hillary said she's not good at math. Give her a break. Habitual exaggeration is not, like, lying, right?

    April 24, 2008 01:24 pm at 1:24 pm |
  11. All American

    "9.31" seems like 3 digits to me, one more than two

    April 24, 2008 01:24 pm at 1:24 pm |
  12. Anonymous

    Report the facts, CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS..
    What's the problems?
    Looking for more TIe Pins to talk about.

    April 24, 2008 01:24 pm at 1:24 pm |
  13. david

    that depends on what you mean by the word "was"

    April 24, 2008 01:25 pm at 1:25 pm |
  14. Independent

    Yes, we've got it. The Obama fans can do math. The Clinton fans, when faced with prohibitive math, simply decide that math doesn't matter and try to change the rules.

    April 24, 2008 01:25 pm at 1:25 pm |
  15. Sue

    Clinton needed a blowout and that didn't happen. Obama has the momentum.

    April 24, 2008 01:25 pm at 1:25 pm |
  16. mike concerned democrate

    Nine points Hillary not Ten - Regardless, double digits or not – Can't win the nomination – More Importantly WHY IS HILLARY CLINTON'S ADS ON THE HOME PAGE OF CNN???????????? GET A GRIP CNN???????

    April 24, 2008 01:25 pm at 1:25 pm |
  17. Frosty

    I'm still shocked at the stupidity of Pennsylvania. I have to say that's one dumb state.

    One of the lowest in the number of college graduate...Big Surprise!!!

    Los Angeles, CA

    April 24, 2008 01:25 pm at 1:25 pm |
  18. sivananthi

    I was looking at some states and delegate counts...

    In pennsylvania
    votes: Clinton 1,260,416
    Obama 1, 045, 910

    delegates : clinton 83
    bama 73.

    vote difference over 200,000 delegate difference 10.

    In State Alaska votes Clinton 103
    Obama 302

    delegates clinton 4
    Obama 9

    vote difference 199 delegate difference 5

    CNN stated in Alaska Obama got 75% and Clinton got 25%
    Then nobody protested...

    And now CNN is stating in pennsylvania Clinton got 55% and Obama got 45% ..and then people have started protesting...

    A win is a win and get over it people...

    April 24, 2008 01:25 pm at 1:25 pm |
  19. Joseph

    Since the percentages were rounded to whole numbers, this is less accurate of a number than if it were rounded to two decimal places. So, she won only by 9.31% and not the 10% Hillary would like to believe.

    April 24, 2008 01:25 pm at 1:25 pm |
  20. DAN

    This is ugly spin, is that all you Obama reporters have. The fact is he did everything possible to win, he had all the money in the world he had Richardson the traiter (I guess that didn't do any good) who now won't be his VP since his endorsement only backfired, people take loyalty very seriously Mr.Richardson. Anyway she beat him big in the end give or take 10 points. Big win for Hillary. Superdelegates, simple math here, Obama not electable in Nov, you choose Hillary or McCain

    April 24, 2008 01:25 pm at 1:25 pm |
  21. Perrell, Lincolnton, NC

    I was arguing this all day yesterday, and now you decide to put this up... CNN you and Lou Dobbs and all of the other people on the show except the ones who are for Barack are idiots...

    April 24, 2008 01:25 pm at 1:25 pm |
  22. What Really Happend

    How media pundits blame politicans for playing politics when they do it everyday. The sad thing is that mainstream media knew she had only won by less than 9.5%, but they didn't care because the 10% margin makes a better story. STOP PLAYING POLITICS.


    April 24, 2008 01:25 pm at 1:25 pm |
  23. Anthony-Minneapolis,MN

    FINALLY, FINALLY, FINALLY CNN reporting the truth of the race, It wasn't a 10 point win like everyone likes to claim the results from the PA Secretary of State certifying the primary states otherwise. WOW am I surprised they even posted this article. Am i in the right place?

    April 24, 2008 01:25 pm at 1:25 pm |
  24. Roy P

    Give it a rest. Obama cannot win in high electoral states. No matter how you word these questions, he cannot win a national election. Winning in republican controlled states does not fool most democratic voters.

    April 24, 2008 01:26 pm at 1:26 pm |
  25. get real

    Is CNN still pandering to the Obama supporters or what? Get over it. Hillary won!

    PA proved once again that Reagan/Democrats will not vote for Obama in the General Election. He is unelectable! Obama supporters need to face the facts. In addition, Hillary is polling better in places that Democrats can win: OH, FL, MA, etc. Why is CNN not reporting this.

    Bias, Bias, Bias. I'm a democrat and am now watching FOX to get my news!

    Post this CNN, I dare you.

    April 24, 2008 01:26 pm at 1:26 pm |
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