CNN

People this is the Democratic Party, nothing new, we have no rules, try to read the rulebook, it says 3 different thing in three different places. Why do you think most politicans are lawyers. Pledged delegates are not even really pledged, when the convention get here anybody can vote for anybody, we add votes and delegates but really it means nothing, they can all just do whatever they want. DNC bet the D word could end in double s.

One sorry excuse for a party.

The new Obama supporters also added a new dimension of hate and insults.

I can't pinch my nose tight enough to vote Obama.

I cannot believe there are still people on these posts complaining about Wright. You act like he gave the same sermon every Sunday for 20 years and Obama sat there listening to it. Well since you are all so self rightuous, I am pretty sure that you weren't there so what the hell do you know what he was listening to?

As an Independent who votes considerably more often with and for Democrats than Republicans, I can sympathize with the dilemma the Democrats find themselves in now, but they MUST NOT yield to pressure to pardon states that violated the rules.

If the DNC won't enforce their punishment, then I'll punish the DNC by voting a strict Republican ticket down the ballot.

Me, my wife and sons love our congresswoman, but we can't support a party that can't or won't keep basic discipline in their ranks. Sorry Betty.

Rules are rules and must be honored. Florida and Michigan DEMOCRAT voters do not count, what about that.... !!!! Way to go Democrats. You really show us how to be in charge. God help us...!!!!

An by the way, all of you disenfranchised Democrat voters are very much welcome to vote Republican in November.

I am from Michigan and if the DNC won't accept my vote in Jan. then they will lose it in November.

Each candidates supporters have said nasty thingsabout the other candidate…how about we all act like adults?

Speaking of acting like adults, how about we follow the rules? That means that none of the delegates should get counted since the FL and MI government didn't follow the rules AND ALL of the candidates agreed that no delegates would be seated beacause of this. If they are needed, split them 50/50.

Don't blame Obama for "disenfranchising" voters…Clinton agreed to do the same thing, until she realized she didn't wrap this up by Super Tuesday. Besides, there is no right to vote in a PRIMARY, hence, no disenfranchised voters…

Each candidates supporters have said nasty thingsabout the other candidate...how about we all act like adults?

Speaking of acting like adults, how about we follow the rules? That means that none of the delegates should get counted since the FL and MI government didn't follow the rules AND ALL of the candidates agreed that no delegates would be seated beacause of this. If they are needed, split them 50/50.

Don't blame Obama for "disenfranchising" voters...Clinton agreed to do the same thing, until she realized she didn't wrap this up by Super Tuesday. Besides, there is no right to vote in a PRIMARY, hence, no disenfranchised voters...

GET IT OVER WITH! MI and FLA. Nobody to blame but your own state
officials! Get over it, please, so we can have some peace.

Once you set the rules, you can't go back on them, just to please someone who is happy with the way it is going. If the people of Florida and Michigan need to be appeased and say they are not being represented, give them the same percentage of representation as is indicated with the current number of delegates. Then they can't say they aren't represented. They would probably be more equally stated than it would have been.

Please, end this thing and let's get on with the show against McCain.

The leaders should not give way to pressrue from the Clinton's on how to seat the delegates. These states could not follow the rules therefore I feel the should split them equally. The superdelagates have the responsablilty to their voters on how they should cast their votes.

Please tell the fuzzy math lady to go back to work in the senate and stop wasting supporters and taxpayers money

What about VOTERS who stayed home because they understood that their VOTES were not being counted? How will these VOTERS be counted?

Who broke the Verbal Contract with the DNC and ran to Florida and Michigan AFTER Iowa VOTED for Obama!!!????!!!

How will the Democrats be united after the "Clinton Dynasty" demanding to be given the White House inspite of the underdog having a BETTER MANAGED CAMPAIGN, STRONGER FINANCES, VOTES FROM THE PEOPLE REGISTERED TO VOTE.....

Breaking a Verbal Contract, Negative, $10,000,000 in debt, causing racial unrest and denying the chain of events causing racial unrest unrest......????!!!!???.........

I am so glad I don't have to vote since I am not American. In my opinion you guys down there are so stupid it's not funny anymore. We here believe now that you guys deserve another Bush regime ( McCain). Now even in politcs you cannot play fair but change the rules midway through the game. Proud American ??? B–S-–

for all that keep saying Clinton was the only one that broke the rules the obama camp went as far as buying air space & ad space in fl and then pulled it out, had campaign office and also did fudraisers about four of them.

politics as more than usual from the hypocritical candidate of change!

Once you set the rules, you can't go back on them, just to please someone who is happy with the way it is going. If the people of Florida and Michigan need to be appeased and say they are not being represented, give them the same percentage of representation as is indicated with the current number of delegates. Then they can't say they aren't represented. They would probably be more equally stated than it would have been.

Please, end this thing and let's get on with the show against McCain.

"Screw the rules. Go Hillary."

At least you come out and say what you're really thinking.

Why is Obama crying the blues over the Florida & Michigan vote. He was not smart enough to have his name on the ballot SHE WAS!!

For Hillary , rules mean NOTHING... See why you should not be the nominee.. Think about it ....

If Hillary gets the nomination from that, I move to Venezuela. They broke the rules and Obama's name was not even on the ballot.

I am sure the nominee will be clear in 10 days...

Hillary AGREED to not seating the delegates from both Michigan and Florida. If she really felt that these voters were being disenfranchised surely she would not have signed a written statement agreeing to this. Oh but NO...we are talking about Hillary. Now that she needs more delegates...of course lets go back and revisit the disenfranchished. Don't blame Obama because of this mess. You Hillary supporters amaze me....Also, for those who say they will vote for McCain...so what...be gone...leave this party. The Republican party deserves you people.

If all Candidates agreed to the Rules, then follow them. Seat the Florida, and Michigan Delegates at the convention. How can this be a fair election if Hillary Clinton, can count the votes, and Barack Obama, was not on the Michigan Ballot. Since Florida, and Michigan violated the Rules, their is a penalty. The only other suggestion is to divide the Votes evenly, to each candidate.

Jim & Dorothy

You want to hear the perfect solutuion so here it is; "Divide the total delegate votes in Florida and Michigan by two, award half of each state to 'Obama' and the other half to "Clinton', and let all the Florida and Michigan delegate have their seat at the convention.

A sure way to keep every one happy!

A.M. Saqib
Houston, Texas

This party has become hateful and nasty and negative and corrupt.

It deserves to lose in November.

Stop fixing and rigging the primaries.

Next time, let the voters decide who they want as a nominee.

I live in Michigan and I think the whole thing is a giant fiasco. The only reason our Govenor and others want the votes counted and scream "disenfranchisment!!!" is because they are Hillary supporters.

We did not follow the rules and we should not change them to advantage a candidate. The Democratic party will really be in a fix if they change the rules and give Hillary what she wants or if it even "smells" of a favor to her, people will stay home on election day.

People forget, this is not a general election where, indeed, every vote does count. This is a PRIMARY, and for years, many states "votes" did not count, they didn't even exist. So let's deal with reality, we're in the process of electing a candidate for our party......it's not a general election.

With the Clinton's spin that Michigan and Florida's votes have not been counted or re-done is all Obama's fault. Many of those voters have a bias towards Obama. All the Democratic presidential runners knew in the beginning these two states would not count. Take it from the Clinton's to want to change things to thier favor. They are a dynasty and will not be stopped – God help us if we can not them.

Why don't ewelet the black BHO supports decide this, that is all that matters

My gut tells me that for every "new registered" voter, a long time member of the Dem party will leave. The Dem party is no longer a party for the people. The old Dems were the fighters. The current Dems have buried their heads in the sand and let the neocons take over....they were too afraid to fight...fight for stolen elections, false stories, disenfranchising and on and on. Give me the party of the 60's and 70's any day! You never ever ever punish a voter because of the BS of a politician....NEVER!

These two states broke the rules of the party and all votes are null and void.

TIME TO FACE FACTS !!!! The media has diagnosed every demo there is....the old...the young...the rich....the poor...the educated....the uneducated....the bowlers, gun toters and beer drinkers.....And somehow ALWAYS finds a way to give the advantage to Clinton. But just today, the media is finally starting to raise the most incredible point in the whole race. HILLARY HAS LOST THE SUPPORT OF AN ENTIRE RACE OF PEOPLE !!!!!!!! Do you know how incredibly sad this fact is ? Hillary Clinton (who's husband was so loved as to have been called The First Black President) has alienated the black people of America to such a degree that there is no way blacks will support her EVER. This has nothing to do with Obama !!!! Keep in mind folks....Hillary started this campaign with close to 82% of the black support. But as blacks learned more about her (Goldwater Girl....Against Civil Rights Act of '64...etc.) combined with her LBJ statements and Bill's minimizing of Obama (fairy tale...Jesse won S.Carolina too...etc) blacks were first of all shocked...and then incredibly offended by these realities to a degree that can never be recovered. WE FEEL DECEIVED !!!! We hope that our friends of all races understand how we as blacks feel. This is the main story that needs to get out to the superdelegates. Hillary ABSOLUTELY KILLED HER ELECTABILTY. Simple as that !

Greg Jones
Blacks4Barack.org
(A Multi-Racial Organization...Dedicated To Truth)

hillary planned to keep her name on the ballot from day 1. despite that she agreed not to campaign like every one else. if the dnc decides to split the delegates, will john edwards get any, since he was still in the race at that time?

I did'nt fully comprehend the networks characteization of Hillary supporters being illiterate and uneducated until I began reading these messages. They constantly repeat her bias lines and constantly try to change the rules of the game during the game. It amazes me that these people even have the audacity to even want to vote as they tend to spew racist comments and back that up with self pity. They should just go away. At least that way most Americans would'nt know how ignorant her supporters are.

DNC chair Dean and the Supreme Court have something in common: disenfranchising voters. Making sure every vote is counted is a true faith to Democracy and that should be a number one priority in any election. Dean made a huge mistake and should be forced to resign. He has taken no responsibility for his error. Imagine if Michigan and Florida votes and delagates are counted. I think the primaries in both states have been certified. I give credit in Clinton to ask for them to count or have a revote. Obama should be censored for stalling a plan to have these two important states count.

Hillary Clinton agreed not to campaign in those states, and now she is trying to steal the illegal votes. Clinton should have 5 percentage points taking away from the primaries. It should be split 55-45 in favor of Obama in Florida and Michigan. It should consider the breaking of the bylaws what Hilllary done.

If they now allow the michigan votes to count, when we could not even vote for Obama, I will never vote for the democrats again!

we wanh hillary, not mccain...screw him...Thank you for being the ONLY honest Hillary supporter. What you said is EXACTLY what HRC is saying and the rest of the supporters. You were just women enough to say it openly and not try to spin it.

You said...

"April 25th, 2008 7:01 pm ET

Screw the rules. Go Hillary."

Speaks volumes!

What would Ron Paul do?

It is great that the votes will be counted
that very few people violated
and the people whose voices
should be heard to both
camps. Deciding how
the delegates should
be split based on performance
or 1/2-1/2 etc. is not fair to
the people. That goes against
democracy.

The fact this woman is claiming a win in a state with a ballot that only had her name shows how delusional she is.

What's even more delusional is her inviting everyone else into her crazy world by trying to convince us she is winning the popular vote. She has lost her mind.

Obama..please move on with your plans for the general elections. The rest of the people will catch up with you later. Keep your discussions on the issues affecting Americans. If she talks about your loss in PA – you talk about gas prices rising. If she talks about your performance during the debate – you talk about Healthcare for every American. If she talks about negative ads – you talk about bringing our soldiers home. That's how you're going to win! Don't play her games – rise above them. Your supporters have already packed their bags and are with you.

OBAMA 08

They Should.... Put the DNC away for Fraud.... How can you Vote in November, when it will be fixed again in Favor of Obama... Ask Yourselves?????????????????

Both camps better get it together.Rush Limbaugh wants to see violence and bloodshed at the convention like 1968.He said so on air two days ago.

LET'S COUNT THOSE 2.3 MILLION VOTES. BASED ON THE BIG STATES TREND, WE ALL KNOW WHO THESE TWO STATES BELONG TO. SO LETS COUNT THEM NOW!!!

I'm from Michigan and they broke the rules so MI & FL should split the delegates 50-50. If Clinton gets more delegates, I'm leaving the country! Obama removed his name from the ballot in MI. Clinton is such a sleaze and thinks she should win MI & FL. Why don't Clinton supporters realize that it's all about her. She won't care about the voters if she is elected. Wake up!!!!!

There is no Other Comment's to Make. Hillary Said Hypocrisy. This is definitely not Democracy! Obama has the lead, though most know he Cheated to get there. When you have the lead, even if the Race was Fixed: They wan't to keep the Race in one Stable... Obama'sd Stable... Fraud!!! Fraud!!! They put the DNC away for Life for this infraction. But Poses ion??? Is stil Hypocracy when you Cheat..l.

Stick to the rules. Don't let the Clinton Machine get their way.

Obama deserves fairness.

I hope that they re vote Michigan for sure. The state is economically devastated by NAFTA and the people of Michigan are not easily fooled like the people of Ohio. They watched their jobs go over seas as a result of the Clinton administration. It will be pay back time for Hillary.

John in Iowa...that is a BLATANT LIE...clearly you have taken on HRC traits. No one campaigned in Florida at all.

Gawd, I can't stand LIARS!!

If the delegates for Michigan and Florida are awarded in Clinton's favor but in a "likely proportion" based on her wins in similar states, this will probably not change the outcome. But let's say she does somehow manage to stop Obama from winning on the first ballot. There is absolutely no guarantee that Senator Clinton will win on the second or any subsequent. Elected delegates will no longer be bound to their candidate, but that doesn't mean they will flock to the "enemy." Superdelegates will probably not want to reward Clinton for a party-damaging campaign, and they will certainly not want to risk alienating the black vote with what most will surely see as a raw deal. If Obama is seen as too damaged to head the ticket, he will certainly be the VP. And they may very well look for someone other than Clinton to head the ticket – someone less controversial and more dedicated to "party first." Al Gore might be drafted. But fantasies aside, I think Obama is going to do ok from here on out and will be the nominee.

The democratic party will split.

The blame goes to the DNC for their corruption and for fixing this primary for Obama.

The democrats who believe in equality and fair play and justice will walk away from this sorry excuse of a party.

Does it matter at this point?

The delay just gave Obama the advantage and once again unfairly handicapped Clinton.

YOU CLINTON HATERS ARE JUST LITTLE PEOPLE. YOU WANT MY OPINION O.B. IS NOTHING BUT A SCUMBAG. HE IS THE WORST HYPOCRITICAL, RACIST CON MAN ,I HAVE EVER SEEN IN A PRESIDENTIAL RACE. HE LIES TO YOU ALL AND YOU TURN AROUND AND KISS HIS -.HRC SHOULD GO TOWARD THE REPUBLICANS AFTER ALL THE NASTY ROTTEN HATING BULL--. SHE PUT UP WITH YOU YOUNG O.B. SUPPORTERS. WHAT COMES AROUND GOES AROUND. DONT CELEBRATE TO QUICK YOU O.B. SUPPORTERS. THE SUPER DELIGATES AND FLA. AND MICH. HASN'T HAD THEIR SAY YET. THEY ARE NOT STUPID ,LIKE YOU PUT US HRC SUPPORTERS. HRC 2008

Every one who WANTS to vote should have a fair and equal opportunity TO vote.

That was not the case in this democratic primary- from the unfair caucus format to the Fl and Mi votes.

The democrats will pay the price for this fixed primary come Nov.

We won't let people vote ! We are worse than third world country. I am a democratic. If DNC will not count the votes in MI and FL, I will vote Republican. Osama cannot win.

Let the people vote.

The DNC should have stayed out of it- and the celebrity democrat families, as well.

I am an Obama supporter and I do hope they seat the delegates. But MI & FL cannot get away with deciding the whole thing because then all the states will get an idea of we can do what we want when, and it won't matter in the end. But if Clinton felt that it was disenfranchising voters, she should've said that BEFORE the vote, not after she was losing. She made an agreement, but she did it not thinking she would be in this position now. If she was winning and it was the other way around, she would be jumping on Obama on every turn. All he ever said was, I'm following the rules that we all agreed on. Oh, BTW for the re-votes; Clinton can't pay for them, that just doesn't even make sense. (Talk about buying an election!) Oh, also in MI, she wasn't going to have it be an open primary like it was before, so it wouldn't include Repulicans and Independants (usual Obama supporters). Now who FL & MI should be mad at? Their legislatures who allowed this to happen. BTW you people who think Obama can't win ? Its because you for you own reasons, refuse to vote for him, even though he and Clinton are basically the same on issues! Seems like Clinton supporters want to prove a point by voting for McCain....but what does it prove other than you put pride before party and your own interests? Just a thought. DEMOCRATS 08!

Sorry people. In the end, your vote too will NOT count. This contest will be decided by the superdelegates.

DNC: You made the rules and Fla. and Mi. did not follow them.
You know this and they know it too. Rules are rules and must not be changed.
Michigan especially is making the DNC look foolish.
No way do the taxpayers want another fake election.

I thought about it and realized what the problem is... for so many years we have stuck by BC&HRC, through the lies the scandals and the corruption. It took BO for me the see that They have been fooling us for all of this time. My appologies to the Republicans, if you all weren't so righteous some Dems would have listened to what you were saying a long time ago. Trust me, this is big of me!!

Wow what a fun!! Changing the rules is equivalent to having an election like the one goin on in Zimbabwe. Why don't we make a selection rather than having a election. Bogus, people who can't maintain law and democarcy at home preaching the philosophy of democracy abroad.

Obama will not win in the general election. The mean Republican machine will play the Rev. Wright video and Obama's comments re: PA and Midwest people over and over and over again during the general election. Our only choice is Hillary if we want a Democrat back in the White House. Obama is a junior senator learning as he goes along. Obama will be ready in 8 years.

""That if MIchigan and Florida are left out that they sue the DNC – take it to othe Supreme Court if needed.""

They'll laugh you out of the courtroom. This isn't the right to vote in November guaranteed by the Constitution, this is the selection process of a party's nominee. Your participation in the process is a courtesy extended by the party...one they could rescind at their leisure. They could just as easily decide their nominee behind closed doors.

the people on this blog who are dumber than a sack of hammers
are from PA and CA. some of their posts are beyond belief.

Racism is 92% of a race voting for their own skin color, despite the issues or the history of the candidate. Racism is accusing whites of voting for their own, while doing the same.
Racism is YOU.

Than the country will see HRC is our best canidate for leader. O.B. is so sure he is going to be our president. Not in this life time. HRC is the only canidate that believes everyones votes count. She is the one that FLA. and Mich. showered with votes. O.B. took his name off because he was unknown. He still is unkown. He will tell you anything you want to hear and he wants to tell you.His life is a closed book. HRC has been opened for the whole world to see. Like they say, What you dont know wont hurt you. Think about America. GO HRC.

I find it interesting that if Obama doesn't eat all of his breakfast he's a SOB, but no news about Paul vs. Clinton? Curious.

Everyone is moving in the direction of Obama, the right direction.

Obama '08

Liar Liar... for your information, the date for the primary in Florida was set by the Republican controlled legislature and Governor of that state. There was nothing the democrats could do about it...

So. the Democrats will not allow them to participate because of what the Republicans in that state did. They are simply caught in the middle and their own party has turned their back on them. I hope they can forgive us when the general election comes around in Nov. The Democrats have sure done everything they can think of to drive them off.

Wow, hey, Obama supporters, if he gets the Democrat nomination, you are going to need Hilary supporters to win in November. Right now, I am staying home!

I won't vote for a person who attracts the type of hatred that I see in Obama's people. The country would be better off with McCain then a man that inspires such hatred.

If you break the rules, you must deal with the result. They, by that I mean all of the Democratic candidates, were asked to take their names off the ballot, at least in Michigan. I don't know about Fla. Hillary Clinton is the only one who left hers on. You Michigan and Florida voters should have already known your votes didn't count. Lots of people did and they didn't vote or in Michigan they voted
Repub to not have to vote for Hill.....

Ok, this isn't rocket science folks. Yes, the republican run state of Florida changed things up. Guess what, they were in charge and they had that right. If the residents of Florida don't like that they have the chance to change it (remember the first three words of the constitution "We The People"). Same goes for Michigan.

Unfortunately this time Florida and Michigan lost out in the primaries but they still have the general election. If your candidate is not the nominee, write them in during the general election if you really can't deal with the candidates on the ballet. It's a better alternative than note voting or voting for the "other" party (albeit democrat or republican).

Re. Michigan: state courts barred a re-vote, so don't blame Obama, Dean, etc. for the absence of a second try. In Florida, the TV stations claim that Obama bought the air-ad time before the DNC ruling on the Florida primary; that's why his ads ran after he had withdrawn. The Democratic National Convention can vote to seat any delegation, just as it, alone, rules on contested delegations. If a motion to admit the Florida and Michigan pledged delegates reaches the floor of the convention, a plurality will decide the issue. I suspect that the convention will try hard to seat delegates from those two states, but that the only likely move will provide for an even division of the numbers. It would be difficult to seat the all of the Clinton delegates, and impossible to give Obama even one more delegate than Clinton in a split.

The delegates should count....a combination of both states, divided by 2, equal 1/2 for each.

Obama wasnt on the ticket in Misc....and Clinton only won Fl.due to her common household name...hell, they didnt even know who Barack Obama was, cept he was black. ( FYI..I am white, non-racist)

No way in Gods green earth should those votes be counted toward this primary. Both states broke the rules...PERIOD...

The voters in both states knew long before their actual primaries were held, they should have written their governments and complained. They didnt...and thats that.

Please print this CNN...you never do

Let the people vote. Everyone has the right to vote and should not be penalized by some higher up politicians who tried to change the rules or Obama who is afraid of the Florida/Michigan vote count.

Simple question CNN, why don't you report on the Paul vs. Clinton scandal? What are you afraid of? No more interviews with Larry "the Hack" King slobbering all over Hillary?

Florida, which had all the candidates' names on the ballot should be counted. Obama keeps whinning that he didn't campaign there.... well neither did Senator Clinton - and she still got democrats to vote for her.
Michigan is another matter, because Senator Obama did not put his name on the ballot - however, it was his choice to make. Either way... the voters of these two important states are not being heard... and that's positively undemocratic!!!

Lets put it this way. Hillary Clinton is not concerned about the voters in Florida and Michigan, not of Democrats and the Democratic Party. All she needs is nomination. I bet she would have asked these two states delegates to be seated if she had been in Obama'a shoe.Common Hillary, we all know,.. You just want the nomination. and If you get, I pray to god You win , Coz I am a true democrat. But I have no respect for you anymore..

I am so ashamed of this so called Democratic Process. If Barack Obama is ahead in every respect and the DNC monkey's with the rules enough to put Hillary in the lead, I will never vote again. This is a despicable way to run the United States of America. Of course, we should be used to it by now. The road to HOPE should be straight forward. I guess money does buy pretty much anything. Even the presidency of the United States. Wake up clinton supporters!!! They are just money machines in this for their own good. How soon we forget.
GO OBAMA

slip it 50/50 in Florida is not right as Hillary won 50% there
but in Michigan I understand it and do support the 50/50 there

so Florida count it according to the primary
but Michigan or organize a last minute primary or 50/50
=)

====Billary want it both ways...first they don't count, now they do?!===

===mClintons Leave Our Country Alone, Enough of You 3===

Count the votes in Michigan and Florida. Mr. Obama made his choice not to put his name on the ballot in Michigan. Florida would have gone to Hillary no matter if he had campaigned there or not.

The rules were that no one could campaign in Florida so no one broke the rules that I can tell. Howard Dean broke the rules when he declared that Florida and Michigan would be ineligible because they moved up their primary's. He should realized Florida had no choice because of a republican govenors devious tactics.

Lets be fair and include all of our states in the democratic choice of a nominee for president.

Nothing to meet on. Reverse, and I'll never vote Dem again!!!!!

I am so ashamed of this so called Democratic Process. If Barack Obama is ahead in every respect and the DNC monkey's with the rules enough to put Hillary in the lead, I will never vote again. This is a despicable way to run the United States of America. Of course, we should be used to it by now. The road to HOPE should be straight forward. I guess money does buy pretty much anything. Even the presidency of the United States. Wake up clinton supporters!!! They are just money machines in this for their own good. How soon we forget.
GO OBAMA

The early primaries should not count as is, as they were not conducted fairly with regard to both candidates and their supporters. Whatever is negotiated for the convention must give voice to BOTH candidates and ALL people and delegates in MI and FA.

I don't understand why Obamanites keep saying rules are rules when their candidate broke the rules by running TV ads in Florida.

He also VOLUNTARILY removed his name from the Michigan Ballot. Why did he remove his name, THAT WAS POOR JUDGEMENT!

Quit crying about Florida and Michigan, those people deserve to have their votes count. Those who stayed home because you thought your vote wouldn't count I hope you learned a lesson. You should always vote!

As far as the Turn-Coat, let him run. We don't need quitters in the Clinton Camp. He can go over to the wimp camp where they are scared to answer hard questions so they have to dodge debates.

Well I see that the squeaky wheel does get the oil. In this case the squawking wheel. I cannot believe that after a firm decision was made to abide by the rules, they are now being changed for the good of Hill/Billy. This has nothing to do with the Michigan and Florida voters. It's a sad day in once again in U.S. history. She's got experience alright. Experience at manipulation. Too bad it doesn't work on keeping her man faithful.

The primary vote was taken in 2008 in Fla. and Mich. Why was there a rule in the first place? Your not going to count their vote because they voted to soon? Strange that the democratic party-Howard Dean would not want to make the votes counted. How undemocratic can you be. Democratic Party leaders you screwed yourselves. Make it democratic and count the votes. If you dont your going to lose party followers and not get a democrat in the Oval Office. Shame on you Howard Dean.
Go Hillary because you are the popular vote. Lets not have another Al Gore reversal like Jean Harris caused in Florida. Our nation and citizens are suffering because of George W Bush the worst president in history of the United States. He put us in debt for the next 10 years and created United States hate all over the world. Hillary and the people around her can reverse the damage and make it better. Obama does not have the experience and skills.

DNC better do something soon.

Hillary Clinton now is the best friend GOP can ever hope for in this century

I think if I lived in Florida or Michigan I would be very upset if my vote didn't count, but I would also be asking for a fair account of who is for which candidate. Obama wasn't on the Michigan ticket because he was playing by the rules, which Hillary wasn't. She went to Florida to talk to them, Obama had one NATIONWIDE ad that aired in Florida because it was (DUH) NATIONWIDE, not nationwide except for Florida.. in case you aren't aware, that doesn't happen. He didn't campaign in Florida. No one knew him when the voting took place in Florida or Michigan. Everyone knows him now, so now would be a good time to have a re-vote. Let the people speak. But if they speak now it would be a true vote. Counting what they did illegally wouldn't be fair, but it would sure make Hillary happy, even though she originally agreed that they were not to be counted. Now that it matters to her... since it was in her favor, she wants to make it all about her again. The woman is only for power and she doesn't care about the democratic party. Why is it so difficult for you people to see that? Count Fla and Mich... in a new vote.

Let the votes count.

Leslie from Michigan....I am from Michigan also...I did not get to vote my choice thanks to the Michigan Legislature that did not want to abide by the DNC rules. Why should your vote count more than mine? If you don't like it, vote some of those idiots out of office in this state....don't blame Senator Obama. And if you think Hillary Clinton cares one iota about you, except for your vote, think again. She'll turn her back on you the minute she leaves the state...just ask New York.

There are no pending challenges!! The rules were broken – a deal is a deal!! Surely if HRC was the frontrunner, there would not be any consideration of anything. Seat the delegates 50/50 or in the same proportions as the rest of their delegates - but breaking the rules has consequences!!! We are not children!!

Get rid of Howard Dean – to bad for the DNC's stupid pinhead rules – and let the people vote. EVERYONE 'S VOTE SHOULD COUNT – SAY IT AGAIN PINHEADS – EVERYONE'S VOTE SHOULD COUNT.

IF OBAMA DOES NOT LIKE IT – THEN HE SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO BE PRESIDENT EITHER. WHAT IS GOOD FOR THE GOOSE IS GOOD FOR THE GANDER!!

Let us hope that this issue is decided sooner rather than later, then the party healing can begin. I do not envy the rules committee their task: it will take the wisdom of Solomon.

I love Democrats ... you talk about change in the White House, and yet look at yourselves – trying to get the DNC to change the rules so that Hillary can win – the epitome of "old-school" Washington politics. Please forget about the fact that both candidates agreed that the votes wouldn't count and that they wouldn't campaign in those states. Hillary wants those votes counted, because it's the only way she can win. But that means breaking they rules they both agreed to and fracturing the DNC even more. And instead of talking about real issues, people are hate-mongering over the word "bitter" and lies about sniper fire.

All I can say is, as a Republican, it's great to see the Democrats tear themselves apart over Obama's "hopeful optimism" and Clinton's "win at all costs" attitudes – keep this up and there won't be anyone left standing in November. So go ahead and make a joke of yourselves – it's very entertaining.

You people really do not get it!

Either way its going to upset one side or the other. There is not a darn thing that can be done now that will cahnge that. I really do not care anymore, I have already decided to not vote. I've had enough of the DEM BS, this fiasco was waitign to happen and now they are scrambling to disinfranchise not just MI and FL but all of us. Think aBout that.

shannon- Hillary wanted to suppress the vote in Nevada, didn't want polling places on the strip. PUULease.

Why would those winning HATE?

Your girl ran a horrible poorly funded campaign, under-estimated her opponent and it's HER FAULT and you all can't handle it. FACE IT!

DESPERATE ploys!

Must be fair:Obama on his own volition and being or trying to be a smart Aleck pulled off Michigan,knowing he could not win.Why reward Obama for pulling out?? That is the reason Hillary has the right to get all the votes,for those who supported her.Go Hillary!!!!!!!!!! Go!!

If Florida and Michigan break the rules laid out by the DNC then they should be held accountable. Senator Clinton should know this more than anyone, and she's recieved far more than her share of accomidations in every sphere this primary season. However, the decision of the committee should be upheld and respected by both campaigns.

Their verdict should serve as a precedent for similar situations in the future.

They HAVE to seat the delegates or lose those states in November. And when they do, the votes become valid. Hillary DOES hold the popular vote(for now), so expect her to push that notion BIG TIME.
She wont get the nomination this time, but this way they've made everyone kinda happy. She gets a nice cushy spot at the convention and then never campaigns for Obama. He loses in November and she runs again as the 'front runner' in 2012.
Only, then she'll say "i told you so". Over and over. Brace yourselves.
Its politics. Everyone does something for a reason. You dont really think she plans to win this year? She's working on 2012.

If Obama campaigns in Florida, he would win. If Obama had campaigned in Michigan, he would win. To be fair, everyone has to know that every candidate agreed before the elections started that Mi & FL votes won't count. Sen. Clinton herself told that. Now that she is losing, she wants them to count so desperately. Anyway, The best solution is to divide the votes into 50-50, or take 30% of votes as casted, and 70% based on who is leading the popular votes, Obama's name was not even on MI ballot, he agreed to the rules & played by the rules. Hillary agreed to the rules, but now wants to change the rules now that she's losing, and the media has been lately playing a pro-hillary campaign on this. It's sad that media is not telling the truth to the American people that everyone agreed to the rules.

The Clinton's already claiming herself that she has recieved the highest Vote counting Florida and Michigan. I dont think it matters at this time because both the canidates will only agree to what gives them the edge.
Does anyone even care how it would be fair to Obama who was not allowed by rules to go there before the Vote and was not even on the ballot in Michigan.

There is no other solution but to "ReDo" the votes again to be fair.

You ignorant people who say clinton is behind getting the FL and MI delegates seated are absurd. If you were from MI or FL you'd feel differently. I live in FL....I voted....and MY VOTE SHOULD COUNT! I am no less red blooded American than any of you. I did not have a say in my Republican Leaders' decision to move up our Primary...and because of that, our votes should count.

If the election wasn't so close, it wouldn't matter. But since it is, it makes counting the FL and MI votes SOOOOOOOOOO MUCH MORE IMPORTANT!!!

So if you Obama lovers who don't want FL & MI counted really want to beat the Republicans in November...you better suck it up and get behind seating FL & MI delegates. Dems will NOT win in November without us! Use your heads folks!

This is on the topic of the Hillraiser defection. I absolutely must have a say on this subject and the blog was closed before I could get to it.

I just have to say that I have posted a lot of comments on this blog in favor of Hillary Clinton and I do not want anyone confusing me with the Sharon Walker who made the inflamatory remarks in the blog about the Hillraiser defection.

However, I have heard many nasty and abusive comments about Hillary and her family on these blogs by Obama supporters. Those also should have never been put into print, but that's no excuse for those remarks of hate.

I'm really hoping that no one would pull a dirty trick and try to make that commentary appear to be a real Clinton supporter. That would be above and beyond dirty politics.

CNN you have a responsibility to the betterment of our society to put a lid on some of these hateful comments. Free speech or No.

Remeber everyone, you have only one vote, use it wisely.

The ONLY acceptable solution is to give Hillary 1/2 of the delegates and Obama the other half in each state. To do otherwise will be unfair since Obama played by the rules.

The only hope Clinton has is to receive delegates based on two races that both candidates agreed they would not campaign in. True to form, Clinton broke with the rules once she realized she was not a shoo-in for the nomination. . .which was a huge miscalculation on her part!

I am hoping and praying the DNC will decide in a fair fashion. . .or there goes the Democratic party down the drain.

And Hillary is faking that southern drawl again while campaigning in North Carolina. Years ago she claimed she had Jewish roots when she was campaigning for the Senate seat in NY. If she loves Pennsylvania so much why did she not go back and live there? or in Arkansas or in Ilinois where she also has roots? Hillary is an opportunist and a liar who would say and do anything to steal the nomination.

Michigan and Florida are now irrelevant. The people from these two states should remove the party officials who broke the rules to begin with and started the mess they got themselves in. Don't blame Howard Dean this is not his own making. We have a nominee.

Obama 08

Eff the rules. All we want is the highest office in the land, so why should we have to follow the rules?

Hillary and Nader suckas.

Those states broke the rules! I understand that it's not fair to the people and they have the right to vote, but rules are rules. They had the opportunity to revote, that didn't happen. So split the votes in half and select the delegates based on that. They could alway hold a caucus, but Billary would allow that!

They should count Florida votes and have Michigan do a revote. There Problem solved!!! The decision shouldn't be up to Obama anyway he's a lame duck.

Hillary voted to not have these states count. Please someone respond to this.

I am outraged that this is even a consideration. This is not about Hilaary or Obama.. this is about following the rules!

What does this teach Americans? People all over the world?

It seems as if people will say and do anything to win. All of this non- sense is destroying the Democratic party. I am so sick of people trying to change things to suit their own personal needs.

I am disgusted at Clinton, for the simple fact that if she was in Obama's position this would not even be a consideration. I have lost all respect for her. She would fight tooth and nail to keep those votes from being counted and if they are to be seated they need to be seated in half ... since Clinton is not so good with math that is (50\50).

Oh wasn't it Hillary who said in the beginning that FLORIDA and MICHIGAN didn't matter... I wonder what changed... HYPOCRITE!
LOSER!... I will never vote for her.....

Independent Voter!

We in Michigan know the truth. Obama took his name off the ballet by petition, Hillary left hers on. Obama then had a ground compaign asking people to vote non-committed. Remember people, he was not supposed to be campaigning at all. He did this on purpose to mess up the votes in Michigan. Quit complaining about us wanting our votes to count. As a lifetime Democrat, I demand my vote be counted. The only way I will vote Democrat come this fall, is if Hillary is somehow on the ticket. Obama alone will never get my vote. I am bitter and yes, all votes should count, period.

"Split right in the middle" – What a stupid idea. How does that help the nomination process? Niether of them campained in FL and both of them were on the ballot, so advantage for no one. The votes in FL should be counted as people voted. They should not count Michigan since the Fairy King was not on the ballot. Borak can't win in November, GOP has too many weapons waiting.

Any time you are 'fair' to people by bending the rules to accommodate them, you are being *unfair* to all the people who did live by the rules. Apparently there are many people who think it's better to be unfair to 48 states than it is to require two states who broke the rules to live by the consequences of their actions...

Why doesn't cnn print out and show us the rules, That would be informative because what i've seen is very different than what I hear especially from people like Cafferty who hasn't read the rules and has no idea what he saying unless he's spinning for Obama, I guess he's spinning or he's just dumb. The rules don't say that the delegates can't be seated. and they don't say that the candidates signed not to have them seated. Anyway It's going to be Hillary or McCain

Screw the rules. Go Hillary.

We need to get rid of Howard Dean. He has done a terrible job and he is the cause of this mess. The Florida and Michigan votes should be counted. Obama chose not to put his name on the ballot in Michigan so that's his problem not Clinton's. I would suggest that the voters from those two states if their delegates are not seated and thier votes not counted, then if Obama is the nominee they should stay at home and not vote or vote for McCain. If their votes are not good enough to be counted for the nomination of the democrat candidate then they should not vote unless its Clinton. We all know Clinton is the better and stronger candidate for the job.

The fair way to resolve this issue is devide the votes in both states equally.

Wow. And now the DNC will cave so that everyone is represented, even though Michigan and Florida KNEW before moving their primary votes that it would render their delegates unseatable.

And now, Michigan and Florida are going to get their wish, to be the deciding factors in the election.

What's next? Clinton contesting the caucus votes in Iowa? Obama asking for a revote in Pennsylvania?

If the DNC gives in to these challenges, then the flood gates are open and every rule is open to contention.

If the DNC officials are smart they'll find a way to allow voters in Fla. and Michigan a say in this election. This mess was not caused by the voters – it was created by self serving political leaders and it's un-American. Obama will not want this to happen and that tells a lot about who he is.

Must be Fair: Obama chose not to be on the ticket in Michigan.

If you want a legitimate democratic candidate you must count the Fl and Mi votes or have a re-vote. Ignoring Fl and Mi plus the non-sense undemocratic caucus system (Obama gets 320 delegates with only 390,000 caucus votes, each caucus vote is approximately equivalent to 8 primary popular vote.) The Democratic party prepare this mess and may sink in it to the misfortune of the American people.
DNC please resolve this mess fairly and to the satisfaction of us Democrats or you may create the "Democrats for McCain" movement.

I hope the DNC does' nt do any thing foolish and decide to override the will of the voters. People should be very lerry of what could happen in a worst case senario, of the DNC counting the Florida and Michigan votes in favor of the only person with their name on the ballot.

I don't trust the leader ship of the DNC, the reason being is because hillery clinton goes way back with Howard Dean in the party. howard does'nt have the courage to tell his friend hillery to get out of the race and gracefully bow out.

Howard looks weak from a leader ship stand point by waiting until this thing has gotten way out of hand to announce he would like a decision soon by the super-delegates.

The so called democratic leader-ship, is up to no good and I believe that we may be very disappointed at their decision to give hillery florida and michigan so hillery can win. What other reason does she have for remaining in the race? Unless she knows something that we don't.

I will be shocked in Emperor Napoleon Howard Dean and Empress Donna Brazile are allowed to steal the votes from the early candidate voters. They came out with their personal endorsements of Obama so early that it was shocking. [First] Florida Democrats had no role in putting the primary so early; the Republican governor and legislature did them in; why not let the vote stand in Florida. [Second] Michigan deserves more thought; perhaps split the vote there. IF those votes are not counted, I'm a longtime member of DNC who will not vote in November for a candidct rigged by Dean and Brazilie.

Hillary tryed to get revotes in Florida and Michigan. Obama didnt want to. Just like now he dosent want to debate. Why should he be the one to make all the decisions. Florida and Michigan votes should be counted. If not they wont vote in the general election. Which is evidently what Obama wants also.

Hey Billary, what if on Jue 4th we count Michigan and Florida and you still loose? Probably you will ask for a new rule: "the looser should be the nominee because you learn more by loosing than by winning"...hahahahahhahahha...

put up the money and have them recounted or shut up about it. People need to stop blaming OBAMA for them not being counted when HILLARY signed on to not have them counted also so its not all his fault and she only wants them counted now that she is behind. Its a fact becuase she was obeying the rules she signed on for until she fell behind. Stick that in your pipe and "not inhale it"!

mike, I have a question for you, why are Obama supporters so hate filled, is it possible for you to post a comment without spewing hate are calling people names. Hate seems to be a big part of the campaign of hope and change. I can't wait to vote third party if this hate filled campaign makes it to the general. I will never under any circumstances vote for Obama, and I say to all his hate filled supproters good luck in the general. The democratic party I belong to doesn't suppress the vote, that started when hope and change came along.

Let them be counted as they voted, Obama and Edwards took their names off the Michigan ballot and both used it against Hillary in Iowa, and hope that it would look better for them not losing by name in Michigan. Hillary was way ahead in the polls; only campaign ad's that ran in Michigan was for people to vote for "not on ballot". Obama ran nationwide ad's 2 weeks before the Florida Election hoping to help himself there. He has tried to play this to his advantage since day one. So forget the bull from Dean and seat these 2 states as they voted. Not going to make any difference to the super's and we need both of them in the fall.

Florida and Michigan deliberately and willfully defied Democratic Party rules. They knew their votes would not count if they did. They chose their path. And now they have to walk it. Why are people unwilling to accept that?
If a child fails to follow school rules, he is suspended. Is the fact that his suspension will not yeild the same advantages to him as may accrue to other students who followed the rules enough to say, "Well we can't suspend him"? No it's not. If you give a party, you have to pay the band! Florida and Michigan must now pay the band for the party that they gave too soon–period!

Delaware, Obama broke rules in Florida by running TV ads there, but I forgot it's okay if he brakes the rules!

The voters in both states did nothing wrong, it's the politicans, Howard Dean has been very weak with this issue. If their is a nominee without counting all the votes in all the states it will be unfair. Obama has had a lot of legal eagles advising him.

Plain and simple, if Obama is a candidate of "change" he needs to step up and start acting like a leader, not a loser. Use the vote in Florida all candidates were on the ballot. Michigan should have a revote. But if you notice the Obama camp doesn't want there votes to count, this would be fatal in a general election.

Grow up, and count all the votes in all the states.

Uncounted in Florida

Boycotted by Obama Camp

Clinton 08/12

as a voter of michigan, it is NOT fair to have our vote count and I'll be the first to admit it. hillary only won 55% of the state vote, 55%! and that is only with her name on the ballot. Many in my state did not know they could vote uncommitted or just didn't bother to show up and vote at all because our vote didn't count. Our state should either not count at all or be split 50/50.

As a democrat, i am getting really tired of Hillary's desperate ploys to grab this nomination. I understand she is not use to losing, but really...really...what are her chances of getting this nomination...0 to none. I'm not saying give up, just act like a decent human being, stop the negative campaigning, lying, and stop tearing apart our party

My disappointment is that, the Democrats presidential contention is turning int a Race thing!! Rep.Clayburn thinks Presdnt. Bill Clinton's behavior is bizarre? (that is from the left) Bill Clinton stuck in the middle! Rev.Jeremiah Wright is rocking America right in the middle! If President William Jefferson Clinton is a racist,then God help us all.Democrats should stop shooting themselves on the foot! It is time we sat down and encouraged dialogues to stop these salvos from everywhere.It is hurting Democrats!!!!! The republicans are smiling all the way to the Bank.Let us stop them there.Not to the White House!

Seat them yes, their votes count no! They are the ones that messed this up and unfortunately they will have to suffer with it. The honest fact if you actually talk to the voters, the majority of them are not that upset. They are more up set over the hoopla given this then anything else. They are however very upset with their leadership, the ones that botched this whole mess.

Hillary = Republican in Democrat clothing

I personally favor a solution involving counting ALL of Florida's votes and perhaps some sort of a revote in Michigan or possibly working out a deal. Counting the votes caste in those states towards the popular vote is perfectly reasonable because they came from registered citizens who felt that their candidate was the best for the country. As far as the Michigan delegate situation goes, it is unfair to give Clinton all of the delegates she won there but they should not split them evenly because she won with OVER HALF of the vote, therefore she should have a slight delegate advantage in the state. We MUST honor the results caste in Florida and Michigan (but modify Michigan's delegate distrubution because Obama wasn't on the ballot) because these states are vital to the Democrats in the general election.

The democrats should change their whole system of choosing their nominee, make it simple like the republicans.

Oh he_ _ no.

Bill and Hillary are re-writing election laws and changing rules daily as it is. If you give them an inch they WILL take a mile. I'm sure there are a lot of people who would like to have re-votes and I'm pretty sure Obama would come out stronger than ever.

Don't give the Clintons what they are whinning about. That will NOT stop them. They are planning on destroying Obama even knowing Florida and Michigan won't change the outcome. If the Clintons wanted every vote to count they would NOT be ruling out caucus states with the fuzzy math.

LOL... imagine the DNC and their candidates in charge of your healthcare!!!!

1) Both candidates agreed right before entering the competition that Michigan and Florida will not count.
2) Sorry Hillar we cant keep changing the rules until you win.
3) Hillary, would you have had the same position on this issue if you were leading on the delegate count? certainly not!!!

IT IS OVER SPINN ARTIST BILLARY... JUST DROP OUT OF THE RACE.

Count them or dont count them already. You would think the DNC would have made a choice by now since they want this race to end soon. I personally think its rediculous to go back on the rules that HILLARY and OBAMA both agreed to and for HILLARY to make a big deal about them once she fell behind. What are rules for if we can just break them? If the rules of the DNC are that complicated then maybe they need to make new rules. The way this is all playing out i smell another FIX bruing.

Just make some kind of decision. This election can not get to November soon enough for me. I support Hillary but will vote for McCain. I can stand four years of Mccain better then one day of Obama as President. Let him steal this primary we will have McCain as President.

What happened to loyality? He may well be a democrate, but let's face the music here... we need a democrate that can beat McCain and win the major electoral votes come Nov....right now the best person for the job is Hillary. It seems short sided and narrow minded to think that this "all must end now" I disagree, and frankly this is healthy for the voting American's.... you don't here the voters complaining...only the unloyal's and the media seem to stir up this far fetched idea that the demo party is heading for disaster... not gunna happen!

David.

Be fair to Michigan and Florida voters. Their votes must not count.

Take it up with your party officials in your state. The rules were broke, their votes must not count. A revote sure but how do you pay for it or have it after all parties agreed to not count these states for acting in rebellion.

Well if the democrats want to win in Florida in November then the delegates must be seated. Im happy either way if the delegates are split based on the votes of the primaries, Hillary winning in both states then she will dramatically gain on Obama. If they do something stupid like split the delegates, Obama doesnt have a chance of winning Florida and maybe Michigan in November so he isnt gonna be President.

I can't believe that now as democrats, we are no better than republicans. We are suppressing the votes of millions, because King Obama doesn't want their votes to count. He's got the media, and the elite establishment behind him. I laugh ever time his campaign says we need to listen to the will of the people. He won't even let the people vote. This man is such a hypocrite, it's just sad this is what our party has come to. Politics of hope and change, what a joke!

Of course our votes must count!! However delelgatess must not be allocated to what was the "illegal" election run by those who broke party rules. It must be a fair allocation and Hillary is not the winner of MI or FL. If the race is run today in MI, Obama would be a big winner, and his name wasn't even on the MI ballot. So how can one claim to be the winner unless her middle name is Mugabe??? Even FL could be a toss-up, if the race is today! We want our votes to count, but we did not vote earlier since we were informed that the election then was not sanctioned and thus would not be counted. Let our delegates be seated, but they should not be for either Hillary or Obama UNLESS they are allocated fair and square.

Rules are rules.... if this is overturned.. this just let the people know that no vote really counts... stop changing the game....this should not even be a consideration...

1. Might as well.. let criminals out.. they broke the rules... my argument is that their verdicts should be overturned

2. My child should not be punished for doing wrong.

3. Disobey all rules.. its clear rules are not valid!!

Lisa... and Mad in Florida...
It is not that Obama supports do not want ALL Americans to vote. It is just that if they are going to count it should be done the right way... The DNC made a rule and Obama followed the rule. So he did not campaign in Florida or Michigan. In Michigan his name was not even on the ballot... So do you suggest that noncommittals go to him? Florida votes for Hillary based on her husband and there are a lot of people black as well as white who are supporting her based on the Clinton years as if he is going to be running the white house again... but what happens if Bill dies? Does that change anything? People should be supporting her because of who she is and what she can do.

You guys are always talking about fair.. it is not fair... to Hillary so if you are truly agents of fairness then Florida and Michigan should both vote over or the delegates should be split and if that is not acceptable to you then think about how you would feel if you were in his place and you followed the rules and then all of a sudden someone wants to change the rules....

ALL Dems have the AA vote.

Bill Clinton 90+%
Al Gore 90+%
John Kerry 90+%

It was ok when Hillary was polling at around 70% of the AA vote.

When it was going to White Dems it wasn't a problem.

Now it's a problem?

…& here's what they'll say: You broke the rules, you paid the price. Don't like it? Take your ball & go home!

Just were did it go? You are soooooo for Obama. I hope Hillary stays in until the end and fights for Florida and Michigan all the way to the end!!!!

As for all the African American's that Bill and Hillary did so much for in past years and now you have turned your backs on them (like so many other "so-called" friends") you are really self-serving, just like Obama.

Are you going to take this out to CNN?

Vote Hillary for Vote for McCain

Florida gets counted as is-PERIOD!
Obama ran television ads all over Florida and still got clobbered!

Hillary or McCain '08-NEVER OBAMA!!!

Why is that Hillary supporters are accusing Obama supporters of not wanting votes to count, but they want to superdelegates to NOT COUNT the votes that have Obama in the lead and just give HRC the nomination? Is hypocracy contagious?

Obama O-8!

they still voted even if their delegates don't count

So when HC dont win, we will have to do a new election for her to too ?? at least in the states she lost..

In Florida Hillary and Obama were on the ballot, and the people voted so let's give the delegate accordingly.
If you don't have Florida and Michigan have their saying we will lose both State in November and the W.H..
Hillary 08

Get ready Obama. Howard Dean is on his way to steal the election from you.

Unless the Democratic Party wants to snatch defeat out of the jaws of victory in November, it better grant Hillary all the delegates she won and votes she received in Michigan and Florida. The Obama machine stopped a revote in both states. Says something about his commitment to democracy, doesn't it?

below are Howard Deans comments from an interview in the financial times...

The Democratic party’s “superdelegates” have every right to overturn the popular vote and choose the candidate they believe would be best equipped to defeat John McCain in a general election, according to Howard Dean, chairman of the US Democratic National Committee.

Everybodys vote in America should count no matter what state you live in or no matter what race you are.
Barack thinks the voters of Michigan and Florida should not be heard.
How can you run a campaign on "Change" but not want everyones vote in America to count??
Do not be fooled by a slick politician. If the change you are looking for is to revert back to the Black Panther days then vote for Barack, if you want a candidate who has the best interest of all people and races in mind then vote for Hillary. Its plain and simple...

Go Hillary

I say do a revote...a COMPLETE revote. Start from scratch.

Hillary got 55% of Fla w/o campaigning....everytime Obama campaigns he closes her lead and she was on the ballot alone in MI and only got a little over half. If I'm the ONLY name on the ballot, I'm expecting to get closer to 100% than just half – just from folks just going with the flow and taking the only thing they are offered.

Some voted for her because she was all that was there and they didn't know to write uncommitted. Others stayed home because they heard Dem votes wouldn't count...that's in both states. So, I say let's do this and see how it goes.

Obama O-8!

What most people do not understand is that the Florida situation was driven by a republican governor, and legislature. The legislative body controlled by the republicans voted to move the election up, and the governor signed it into law despite Howard Dean's threat to not seat the delegates.

Dean when pushed to the wall punished the democratic party in Florida. This reflects upon poor leadership by Dean and a clever trick by the republican's to once again outmanuever the democrats.

Now the democrats can not select a candidate without a major fight, because of a lack of foresight and common sense from the party leadership. If Florida had voted we all know that Clinton would be the nominee, because Barack would never carry that state.

why is it that we have to reset the rules for Michigan and Florida. What is the Democratic party trying to teach our younger voters.

Is it, when the rules you break dont sit well because you lose that we will whine till they are changed.

I guess so, its a Clinton thing and another pack of LIES.

they weren't fair elections. hillary was the only one on the ballot. everyone else stayed out of there. if they were going to do anything, they should have another election or else ignore it. it wasn't fair.

Both elections were flawed because both states were told their votes would not count. The only people that went out and voted anyway were Clinton supporters who, like Clinton, are used to ignoring the rules.
Anyone who believes Hillary would be demanding these two states count if it were not in her best interest is a liar or a fool.

My candidate is Sen.Clinton for President of the U.S.A. and I'am not voting
for a particular political party so it is "crap" when the issue of hurting
the Democratic Party is raised. Therefore, why vote for someone I
feel is not qualified as Hillary for the rigors of the position. If my vote
is not considered I guess there's always McCain.

The Rule being that the Delegates from both Florida and Michigan must be seated!
Hillary Clinton should be awarded these Delegates as awarded by the respective Primaries.
The Democratic Rules Committee have pissed off many Democrats by sitting on their hands on this Issue and then expect to Win the General Election.
Obama can not Win the General Election, Has nothing to Offer with regards to Experience, Policy, Military, Economy nor Appeal to the Voters that make up The Best Foot Foward, for This Country!

the rules are,they don't count.don't make rules,then break them,then change them ,during the process.

question to Hillary supporters advocating ala Susan MO.

Does it REGISTER with you that Hillary AGREED with the decision to not count Michigan/Florida? UNBELIEVABLE to just discount that fact!

Pretty straight forward & simple. Rules were made, Michigan & Florida were warned, knew the deal, went ahead anyway and broke the rules, Hillary accepted & agreed, end of story, move on.

You people are CHILDISH!

This desperate attempt to MANIPULATE the rules is SHAMELESS!

I say the votes should count as is........since Sen. Obama blocked a revote in both states........He will get what he deserves!

If FL and MI had gone for Obama, and the shoe was on the other foot, do you all really think HillBilly would be pushing so hard for a recount????

I don't think so....let's see the document she signed agreeing to the loss of the count and seating of the delegates...PLEASE!

HillBilly just needs to go home, like right NOW!

Alexis Herman served under the Clinton Administration as Labor Secretary, what will the Clintons do next to sabotage this election for Democratics.

The DNC? To Me, Have Signed their own {Poitical) Death Warrant. You rushed to Jugment, in February.... She is not Qualified! Well John NMcCain is, and the Democrat's will disapear along with thyeir Dream's.... You Failed the Public. You failed the Voter's, and you faile Democracy itself.... But you don't listen!!!!!!!!!!!!

Real people took the time to go to the polls in these two states. In a record turnout in Florida, they all cast their votes one by one.

In Michigan, no one told Obama to take his name off the ballot – he did that himself – the agreement was to not campaign (which Obama actually did in Florida). The people went to the polls and voted one by one. Hillary voters voted for her. Obama and Edwards voters voted "other" or whatever in accordance with what those campaigns said to do. The votes were cast one by one.

Count 'em as they voted and lets move on. To not count them at all or to do it any other way than how each individual chose would be to alienate the very people who voted.

Forget about seating the Florida and Michigan delegates, what part of "you broke the rules, and now your votes don't count" do you not understand? Quit wasting time and money on this issue and move on! They won't help Hillary anyway.

Better get all of your facts regarding this! This race is over and has been prior to Ohio primary! The news-media knows it's over but Hillary is clinging to the throne!

This set-up meeting is going to look like the DNC is doing some thing because there is report of a protest of about 700-people from Florida be traveling to DC – next month to protest that they want the votes counted.

This is linked to Hillary's big supporter- Lanny Davis and some of the Clintons thugs!

Pack it up Hillary – you know it's over!

It just seems that the Democrats can't do anything right and that is the reason that I have decided to vote for McCain. I was going to vote Dem this year but they have made a mockery of their own election process.

All this whole process has done is demonstrate how low they will stoop (at least how low Hillary will stoop) and it tells me that there is no way I want to see this type of leadership running our country.

Well, I guess we shall know when to kick in high gear the Democrats for McCain movement who are increasing in numbers. Not much of a choice in Obama and given today's news the skies are getting even more cloudy. Women never quit and any male who says we will unite for the sake of the party is totally wrapped behind their male ego. Unite behind what? Pelosi? Kennedy? Kerry?

Obama is killing the Democratic party and causing it to split between black and white lines as evidenced yesterday in even the discussion on the VIEW with its new Black host.

Split them down the middle if they are equal but if uneven then give Barack the extra one due to being an enduring candidate.

Hillary should have points taken away for being such a pant-suit wearing bag!!!....... Cant trust her at all..!!!

Yes.. We... Can...

Be fair to Michigan and Florida voters. Their votes must count.

i heard oboma has lawyers stopping went went down in florida and michigan. it wasnt hillarys fault he was not on the ticket the people voted for her because they want her as president. if it were oboma won there he would want florida and michigan to count. its not fair to hillary or the people of those two states. look how oboma sat with his family in that church for quite a few years and some people seem to have forgotten. if oboma admitted the truth he knows rev. wright felt that way about america for awhile admit it oboma. thank you gloria

Look, they KNEW the consequences when they broke the rules...

Thats why there are rules in the first place. If the DNC made the rules they need to enforce them.

Period.

Alright! So no one should be pressuring Hillary to drop out of this race. The DNC know that Obama isn't electable.

I am having voters remorse. My vote went to Hillary...I now volunteer for Obama.

The candidates (all of them) concurred with the DNC that the renegade states (who took it upon themselves to break the DNC rules knowing full well that their citizen's votes would not count) would not be counted. Obama did not campaign in those states, and did not even put his name on the Michigan ballot.
Now Hill sees an in and wants to count those votes.
In short, she's a crook. So we need another of those in the White House, eh? Apparently she feels the ruling was put into place so that she could cash in on it later.
I wouldn't vote for her if she were the last Democrat on the planet. And a lot of people I know feel the same way.

He has the AA vote and she has the women vote

neither one of them can afford to lose the other...lets remember there are tons of votes on both sides if its not fair.

Peloci needs to play fair too.

rules are rules first off. its not obama fault that florida and michigan did what they did; and hillary better be careftul because it could not go in her favor. mighty funny how her name was the only one on the ballet. underestimating the voice and intelligence of the people could give obama the green light. obama in 08 peace!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

RE: Major Clinton fundraiser switches to Obama

Must have been major bad news for CNN Clinton News Network, which is probably why comments have already been closed for that ticker, and why CNN or Wolf Blitzer has not reported this on TV all day long...instead reporting on Obama's weak 'spots' and the most rev. Wright...Many americans are no longer taken aback by CNN's lack of objectivity and bias against Obama, but the fact that HRC campaign will lag behind in all aspects from total delegates to total popular votes shows that their isn't really any other option but to resort to bias reporting by Clinton New Network. So keep pushing...

...& here's what they'll say: You broke the rules, you paid the price. Don't like it? Take your ball & go home!

the rules are the rules..................... they all knew about it,............

one fair thing to do is just split them half and half.. but NO this is not fair to clinton..........(forget the fairness to the people, or the party or anyone else, ) it is about the clinton clan

When you disobey your DNC bosses in Rules and regulations you where a part off, Florida and Michigan promises you have refused to keep, How can the common people under you trust you to keep promises you make to them

Ms.SusanMO: Is right on the money! The Florida,Michigan states votes should count.

JOHN FACE IT. WE LOST PENN AND SHE LOST HER FUNDRAISER. THIS PROVES THAT GOING NEGATIVE WILL LOOSE YOU FRIENDS AND RESOURCES. I ONLY HOPE SHE USES HER CAPASITY TO WAGE WAR FASTER THEN WE LOOSE THE CAPASITY TO GET OUR MESSAGE ON THE ISSUES OUT. ITS ALMOST LIKE THE CIVIL WAR.

I think if this happens it's going to be good news for John McCain. I hope they are not seriously considering doing something foolish, but, then again, it's apparently what the Republicans had in mind and we will fall into their trap.

They're forming a committee to meet a month from now (when it no longer matters) to discuss what they might or might not do about Michigan and Florida.

Maybe this is Obama's party after all. Sounds just like what he said he'd do if Bin Laden's people were flying planes towards the capitol building at 3 a.m. when Chris Mathews (a supporter no less) asked him the question. THERE IS NO TIME TO FORM A COMMITTEE

How about you make a decision while the decision still matters, lightweights???

Yes Hillary monster YES YES! This is your chance to bribe, cheat, blackmail,cajol. DO ANYTHING to break the rules and count the illegal votes. It is your last and only chance to steal this nomination that you have so obviously lost but in your power hungry irrational mind, cannot accept.

All of Hillary's supporters will be saying: "Their votes should count." And my response is, yes, their votes should count – but in a fair way.

How would it be fair to award Hillary 300,000+ votes from Michigan, and give Obama ZERO ???

Could a Hillary supporter please answer that for me...

They had better not try and do any seating based on the invalid January contests.

There are lot of people who will vote for McCain, who will at least have been legitimately nominated, over a fraudulently chosen candidate.

split the delegates down the middle or leave them out completely which was agreed to before by ALL people including Hillary.

The Clintons are the "deciders" and they have already made up their minds. There obviously isn't anyone running the DNC, so why have a meeting next month. The DNC is just one big doormat.

The DNC, what a joke.

Obama 08

It is not about American and not American. It is about who was actually on the ballot, as well as what states BROKE THE RULES!!! If you want your vote to count you go on the day to vote, you don't make up your own day!

I disagree with Texas Vet......we should not blame republicans. We should blame the democratic leadership in Florida and Michigan and the democratic leadership of the DNC who allowed this to occur.

This all took place several months before we knew Clinton had competition. No one cared then. When Clinton started to loose then people (mostly Clinton herself and backers of Clinton in MI and FL) began to speak out that "all votes should be counted."

What should be counted is delegating the blame of this entire situation on the right people, which are the national DNC leadership, FL and MI democratic leadership and the main leaders of the democratic party including our former President Slick Willy.

stop bleeding the party. I don't accept the 50/50 i want the votes that are already expressed in the nation to remain unchanged by the sitting of these delegates.

we cannot make the rules to fit one person.

It was said from the beginning that florida and michigan would not count. so why are we talking about them now? because clinton is crying about it? people who like to rewrite laws in their favor are dictators.

That's what I would expect from Paul Biya, Robert Mubabe, Yian Smith, Rhodes and Pinoche. not from any American leader. But I have noticed lately that not only do we crown our own dictators while we are giving lessons in democracy at gun point, we are also making new ones on the campaign trail to change the old one.

Florida and Michigan need to be split half and half to be fair to both candidate. Hillary Clinton broke the party's rule by staying on the ballot in Michigan and held fun raising in Florida.

This situation is just silly. There are a lot of solutions but they sure don't include having Senator Obama follow all the rules – not even allow his name to be on the ballot in Mich. based upon the rules and then have Senator Clinton move the goal posts and declare the match. I find her position here to be absolutely AMAZING. I sure hope these folks come up with something fair because it really was the Republicans who messed up Florida (again). Michigan is another story unto itself!

Remember when the Democrats could not lose this election. Then Howard Dean and the DNC stepped in to wield power over states that they could not control. The media touted the historical nature of two candidates, who always had very little chance of being elected in November. The Democratic Party hopped on the band wagon and anointed Obama. Clinton is no more negative than Obama–they just believe there will be less controversy if they hop on his band wagon, so they demand that Clinton drop out before the Party is destroyed. Now, this country is left with Obama–the least qualified of all the original candidates. Still, I am sure HD and the DNC are not finished, they will find another way to ensure further damage. As soon as this primary is over, I will register as an Independent–the Democratic Party is crazy.

Ambasador Gabriel Guerrra-Dragon is not a top fundraiser as CNN would like you to believe.They love playing Hillary down,as a winner and a fundraiser.Well CNN,keep on licking your chomps-the fact is you continue to look partisan.In the Hillary camp,we have enough non dragons,who are in the process of raising mega bucks to place Hillary in a winning situation.What is CNN going to do when Hillary is the winner??? Go Hillary,we are not stopping until you win it all.

Glad to hear a committee will meet and spend money discussing how Florida and Michigan democratic leaders broke the rules and punished their own people.

It makes no difference in the current race. Obama will have a good showing in NC and Indiana and Clinton will not be able to gain on him even though Puerto Rico has 55 delegates and is a "winner take all" election. Yeah, let's let Puerto Rico choose our presidential candidate even though they don't even get to vote in the general election and they are not even an official state.

Why is it that Obama's supporters do not want all Americans votes to count?

Did I make a Comment?? No maybe not... Justice!

Again... THERE WERE NO DEMOCRATIC PARTY PRIMARIES IN MICHIGAN OR FLORIDA. Have enough backbone to stand up to what was put up. How about... Grow Up! If this mincing and twisting produces ANY negative outcome for Obama – consider the party eternally labelled racists!

I think if the dnc wants to change something they should do so after the elections now not in mid-stream but i guess if obama starts to lose they'll have to do something to avoid a riot that is just a shame this country is so sceard of this black man and the rest of the blacks in this country what is up with that? what happened to informing the public about all candidates including B.H.O. do you realize had you done your job at the beginning of this race it would probably be a lot different had the voters known on feb.2nd vote about what a shister he really is don't you in the media think you let the public down really bad just because Oprah liked him!!!

Why ?? I don't understand how these states should get a pat on the back after violating the DNC party Rules. When i was growing up, if i broke the rules , i got grounded. These states should have there delegates taken away from them end of story. Once again Florida does not know how to Vote. You will not mess up another election for us again. Michigan see you in 2012. RULES ARE RULES !!! You are ripping the party apart from the inside out.

Well these delegates need to be seated at the DNC however they can not change the outcome the primary race.

divide according to the number of delegates already accummulated by each candidate.

Mrs. Clinton didn't win anything because there was no contest. I stayed home because there votes didn't count.

Just make some kind of decision. This election can not get to November soon enough for me. I support Hillary but will vote for McCain. I can stand four years of Mccain better then one day of Obama as President. Let him steal this primary we will have McCain as President.

I think that the delegates could be seated 50/50 and that the popular vote should be split that way, too.

Hillary Clinton wants to flip-flop on her agreement on how the Florida and Michigan primaries would be handled because she is desperate to find *some* sort of way to make her fuzzy math work.. to convince super-delegates she is winning. Anyone with half a brain should be able to see what she is doing.

Now she says it is disenfranchising these states... listen, NO ONE is guaranteed the right to select a party candidate. We are guaranteed the right to vote on the candidates for the general election.

How can anyone first agree to abide by a set a rules and then later, say they didn't and want to change things? Sure she wants the Michigan votes... she won because she was the only one on the ballot.!

It's flip-flopping of the most egregious sort... heck, it's plain lying, but then, that doesn't seem to be a problem for Senator Clinton.

Seat the delegates 50/50; split the popular vote the same way. If Florida and Michigan want to make a difference, they can vote at the convention. What's the problem? None... except if you are trying to cajole super-delegates ahead of the convention!

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Good job, Dems. Way to react in a timely manner.

They better do the right thing and have our votes count... or Florida will erupt for McCain!

GIVE the nomination to to Obama.

But when you have a LARGE group of women, older voters and blue collar voters go to McCain then don't blaim that on CLINTON.

Blaim it on her supports. We like CLINTON because of what she offers. But some how if we like CLINTON then its because we are racists.

Actually you can blaim it on Pelosi. I am sick of people blaiming the clintons for bring the party down just because we vote for her. I thought this was a free country and we could vote for who we want.

Finally, Hillary will not stop until those votes are counted!!

That if MIchigan and Florida are left out that they sue the DNC – take it to othe Supreme Court if needed.

As for Gabriel Guerra-Mondragon – what were you offered by Obama to drop Hillary.

Hillary supporters – if Hillary is forced out of this race by dirty political tatics we should all immediately re-register as Independents. Things are smelling pretty foul to me and its going to get more dirty the more they try to get Hillary out. Obama – all the money in the world will not get you the Presidency. It will be the votes that count and only the votes. Obama – you are worse than the old politics and it will all come out.

If the DNC had a delegate count like the Republican nomination process (as is awarded in the General Election) Hillary Clinton would already be the Democratic Nominee.

But no... you guys keep monkeying with the system – frustrating voters – and keeping this mud-slinging fight going between the two dem candidates.

Why save money for the General Election if we can use it to tear ourselves apart ... Right Howlin' Howie???

Thank the Lord! now maybe we can put this Florida and Michigan mess o rest!

I'll bet they will take a long hard look next time before breaking the rules of the party.

Is Michigan going to have Obama on the ballot this time? If so, Hillary might not want a re-vote. That, or she better come up with a more despicable ads than bin Laden fear monger ads.

The dead DNC, what did they wake up from a coma?

Who cares? If they even THINK about polluting this election with votes that all of the candidates were told would not count, they've got a fight on their hands.

The rules did not have a clause for LOSERS like Hillary. So now is not the time for Dean to grow a spine. He waited on the sidelines for Hillary to implode this process, and true to the Clintons, she did. So go somewhere and pretend to be relevant somewhere else, Dean. You fouled this one up pretty good.

I thought this was settled long ago. Why is this surfacing again? Are they trying to make a joke out of the nomination process???

the Billarys are behind this one........watch out...

the rules are the rules, did we know go over this over and over??

it is written..

so what are the billary's saying or threatening with???
oh boy...........

by next month we should alredy have our nominee,

Senator Obama..................

Well now they can face the voters of Michigan and Florida and the suit filed by the superdelegates that have nothing to do with the election being held early. The calls are going into Chairman ioward Dean's office as we speak and feel free to let him have the complaints heard by the rules committee instead of blocking the rules.

In the meantime feel free to help HillaryClinton.com by making calls and contributing to our next President Hillary Clinton. Is neck and neck in Indiana and Hillary is in it to Win It!!!!

One thing they can't do is allocate delegates based on the two severely flawes priamaires that took place.

I suppose they could award delgates based on the percentages of the degate count based on all the primaries up to the 31st.

Perhaps the could look at the demographics of Florida nad Michigan and award delegates base upon the cadidates voting performance wihtin these groups.

Whatever happens noonw will be happy. I fell sorry for the Democrats in Florida, Republicans forced them to move up the date. So we should blamed the REpbulicans instead of deceding to vote for McCain.

Their votes should count........they are Americans too

Hillary 08

FOLLOW THE RULES. IF YOU CAN'T FOLLOW THE RULES, WHAT'S THE POINT IN HAVING THEM?

let the people vote!