the law said that mich.and florida will not count so tell me how can anyone change that ? thats the kind of issues that shows the clintons have no scrupples and will do anything to win.how can you trust the goverment if they change the rules just for personal gain? what has this country become? ask yourselves…….

Every democratic candidate with the exception of Hillary Clinton pulled their names from the MI ballot to show support for the rules set by the DNC. The Clintons have no rules.

Again with the MI nonsense? This isn't even relevant to a discussion about the margin in PA. Plus, Clinton supporters need to embrace the truth on this: the Democratic Party declared the Michigan Primary invalid, and Senator Clinton herself explicitly declared that the election there would not count. I'll also add that I personally know a number of Obama supporters who did not vote in the MI election precisely because of the unquestioned status of that primary. Enough of the pretzel logic.

I'm sick of the spin of the Clinton campaign. This is getting ridiculous, how can anyone buy into what they say? Any logical person will figure out they are twisting anything they can b/c they have to. I am amazed that people can't see through this.

As for a double-digit lead. There is no traditional way to do this if you are calculating a margin in percentage you first must subtract the votes and divide by the total number of votes. This yields 9.29% end of discussion, it was not a double digit win and I know how to do math I am in college to be an electrical engineer.

Just stop Hillary please your desparation is obvious, please step aside while you can and save your reputation. This presidency is not owed to you so get over yourself.

Obama supporters protested, pointing out that the winning margin was below 9.5 percent – which, as any fifth-grader will tell you, rounds down to 9, not up to 10. Clinton supporters pointed out that if you rounded each candidate's total votes — not the margin of victory itself — those whole numbers gave you the critical extra digit.

This is hillarious!

Somebody needs to point out that gas is up 200% (perhaps it's 199.471% but I'm rounding up for dramatic effect)

Somebody needs to point out that incomes are down 5%(again I'm round up for dramatic effect.)

I mean, I get it, this is politics, and perception is important.

But, come on… can't one of them stand up and make a joke out this… bring some levity to the situation.

I guarantee the first of the two to do that will win lots of hearts - and votes.

Okay, so the bottom line is that Clinton decreased Obama's delegate lead by 10, which was not enough to have any substantial impact on the nomination race. If anything, she is even worse shape since PA was her last chance to gain an appreciable number of delegates. It didn't happen - she can't catch up - she lost. Leave already.

"But calculated another, more traditional way: she captured 54.6435 percent of the vote — which rounds up to 55 — to his 45.3564, which rounds down to 45, for a difference of 10 points."

This is simply WRONG. There's no correct way 54.6 - 45.4 can be rounded to 10. We are talking about math here, it's not a matter of opinion.

So many people do not like Pelosi whose congressional record is so dismal it's no wonder she is so unpopular.
It will just show how little influence she has on the nomination process.. there have been no delegates, even less so with super delegates who even hinted any support for her or her ideas.

Conclusion: just shut up Ms Pelosi. you're out of touch.

So, the PA election was exactly what was expected.

It is a little surprising she only netted 10 delegates. That is not enough.

I support Barack Obama.

Hillary will do the country and the democratic party well by accepting what she has accomplished so far and calling it a day. By smaring Obama over and over again does not make her look good. Take the legacy she has earned as first lady and senator and use her strengths to help the country and party, not destroy it.

This is ridiculous. You might round off the final number, but you never round off numbers that are still being used in calculating a difference. Clinton is living in a world where NONE of the normal rules apply.

Brian (in PA) said:

"Obama pulled his name from MI ballots. That was his choice. He did it to garner favor with IA, NH and SC party types. Is that the politics of change?"
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You seem to forget that it wasn't just Clinton and Obama running at the time so by your logic, Edwards and Richardson are also questionable right?

People keep making this argument that it was Obama's choice to remove himself from the ballot in Michigan when in fact, it was agreed upon by all candidates involved but I'll give you one guess who went back on her word and didn't.

Obama was playing by the rules of the DNC. Clinton plays by whatever rules suit her at the time and will re-interpret those rules differently to benefit herself.

Hillary Clinton has very strong experience on her resume, she got 8 years of first lady, 8 years of senator, Wow,16-year ! It is a lots, during this 16 years what she has achieved in Medicare ? Zero !

The poor people were kicked out from the hospital before her husband took the office, she has 16-year timeframe and chance to make it right, well, 16-year later, we still have poor people got kicked out from the hospital. She took the money from lobbyist, put the Medicare reform in the trash can.

She got lots of supporters from her husband administration, they got the common goals-they 'all' want to return to white house. Other supporters are just her puppets, how many people were standing beside her during her scandals, and what she had done to those people - put them under the bus ! That is her !

Brian: Where in this article does it mention Michigan? Why do you want to try and mix issues to TRY and prove your point?

I this really an amazing victory? 10 whole extra delegates? That isn't really closing the gap is it?

Even if you want to call a 10% win for Hillary, she didn't gain much.

The $10 million raised only got her out of the red! Still looks like she is "fighting" a losing battle.

Why didn't we hear this much about Obama's wins in MANY states of 20%, 25%, or more?

Is CNN working for Hillary? If so, demand cash in advance for your services.

Geeeeezzzzz

Following is the result per Pennsylvania Department of State website:

99.99% reporting

Clinton: 1,245,911 - 54.553%
Obama: 1,037,953 - 45.447%
Total: 2,283,864 - 100.00 %
Difference: 207,958 - 9.105%

% of total vote: 207,958 / 2,283,864 = 9.105% or 9.0 % (rounded).

Delegates: 9 or 10 gain for Clinton.

The Final Answers is…. 9.2871 or 9%

The issue here is about skewing the facts to make a political point.

You cannot round first then do your math. If percent difference was 9.6% you could round to 10 if you weren't reporting decimals.

If you are reporting a "double digit win" then any rounding would be wrong. You have to look at the RAW number. Is it 10.0 or higher? If not it is not double digit win. It is a single digit win!

Best you can say is "nearly double digit win".

Where have all the staticians gone?

Geesh! Is there nothing else to report on? Must be a slow day to keep this alive.

Look, two months ago, Hillary was leading in all polls by over 20 points. Two days before election, she led by between 5 and 6 points. On election day, she won by 10 points.

My point is: this was hers to lose and she did not lose.

Obama was not expected to win, but to come as close as he possibly could and he did himself and his backers proud, for a guy who was not known in PA six weeks ago, for a guy with a name that rhymes with OSAMA, for a guy who was villified by Team Clinton, for a guy who was roasted and toasted by the media over remarks by Jeremiah Wright and for telling the truth about 'bitter' small town Americans.

Hillary got 1.2 million to Obama's 1 million, and people can't see the great strides in Obama's climb from the valley of death to near top of the mountain. His story has more to be more interesting given how far behind he came from, but where is the media spin on this?

PS
For you "rule" mongers….not seating DELEGATES is extremely different than counting POPULAR VOTES. Clinton is ahead in the Popular vote.

THE TRUTH IS ALWAYS COVERED UP BY MEDIA SUPPORTING A CANDIDATE.OBVIOUSLY THESE MEDIA GROUPS WILL GIVE CLINTON THE EDGE WHEN THEY GOT A LINK IN THERE BLOGS AND WEB SITES FOR US TO MAKE DONATIONS TO CLINTON.THIS INCLUDES YOU CNN

Man her math is very strange.

First she's counting votes that don't count and now shes counting votes that weren't even made. 9.3 is more like 9 than 10. That is basic 5th grade math.

But hey, people believe what they want to believe to justify how they felt anyway. If you were going to vote for Hillary, it didn't matter. Same thing for Obama.

Now if you had no clue, stats show that Obama has the edge

Obama pulled his name from MI ballots. That was his choice. He did it to garner favor with IA, NH and SC party types. Is that the politics of change?

It is a double digit delegate lead but the big question is how can a 10 delegate gain be seen as a big win for Clinton????

Those Obama supporters are alway whinning. That's the reason why more people are noticing how hateful they are and how much they whine. I read ALL the blogs now, my God they are really bad. They bicker like little children. If, If, If , Il'll do this, this, this. Heaven's what next. Case in point, she won! Next race.

Finally someone gets it. Nine, ten percent who cares. Clinton got more delegates from PA-what that means, time will tell. The race will be over when all the primaries have concluded, no matter what the media pundits, Nancy Pelosi or the Obama campaign says. A more important question is why the DNC and the Obama campaign want to deny a voice to party members in MI and FL. If the nomination is given without an accurate accounting of FL and MI, I'll sit out November polls. Originally I planned to support whomever was nominated-but Obama's MI politicos' scuttling of a resolution changed my intentions.

This just goes to show that some people rely on facts, while others rely on spin. Go Spinillary go! I hope you spin so fast your big Botoxed head pops off.

Double digit or single digit is absolutely immaterial in this primary election. For the first time in a long while Americans have shown near unprecedented interest in their general election, thanks to the emergence of Barak Obama who has broughjt into the campaign what the Americans have long been looking forward to: A change in the ways things are done in Washington, unity as a people and in purpose. For the fact that over 70% of Americans are ready for the first time to have a black president is a testimony of what Americans of all colour and creed see in him and if he emerges as the Democratic candidate will win the presidency by more than 70% percent. Democrats of all demographics will unit behind him. He represents a movement. A movement for change.

9.2871 does not round up to 10!
Besides, it does not really matter. She has lost .
Unless the socalled superdelegates want to commit suicide.
And they would never have the guts to do that.

To answer your question, NO she didn't! She won by 9.2 and I learned in grade school that you're supposed to round down if its less than .5. So again to answer your question, no she didn't. However, I'm not going to take anything away from her, a win is a win. Take your 15 delegates enjoy them while you can because you'll be right back where you started in two weeks.

Obama 08′

who cares..barack will make that back up with his nc win..I can't wait until hillary gets out.

Look, unfortunately she won regardless of the decimals. Bottom line is bottom line. Come on, let's move on, can we please? How about reporting on something more substancial?

To borrow a phrase from Al Gore and the 2000 Debates, it looks like teh Clinton supporters are using "fuzzy math" to get to that 10-point lead. 9.3 rounds down to 9 - kids in grade school know that.

As a math teacher, I am shocked that our elected officials are confused on this matter. ROUNDING SHOULD ONLY BE DONE WHEN THE FINAL ANSWER IS REACHED! Can we please tone down the rhetoric and put together an unstoppable ticket: OBAMA-CLINTON or CLINTON-OBAMA. Who do you want appointing the next batch of Justices, Dems or Repubs? You can spin all you want, but not voting for your first choice Democrat is a net vote for a third bush term. Lets go People!

Hillary Clinton is a Biggest Liar.

HILLARY NO LONGER CARES ABOUT DELEGATES! They have already lost the delegate election so they are attempting to revise the rules, AGAIN, and unilaterally add in Michigan and Florida AND not count the caucuses. Completely delusional campaign.

The argument over the rounding would surely be relentlessly spinned if it was Obama who had the 9.2 percent victory and had placed 10 percent as the critical number.

Clinton and her campaign would be saying, he can't even win his home state. He didn't get the 10 percent. The win is meaningless. He was up nearly 30 points at one time, and only carried the state by less than 10 points. This proves I am the stronger candidate, my projectory continues to go up as his continues to fall. I am the stronger candidate for the nomination to beat McCain. Sounds like Hillary, doesn't it?

Now I ask you, shouldn't that be the way Obama spin this? And have the media question Hillary as to why she lost so much of a lead of nearly 30 points? Obama should use some of Clinton's tactics. And let the press help him out. Larry

Who cares at this point? Come on media, lets stay focused. Obama lost & Hillary won. Congrats to Hillary and keep moving forward Obama!

Was her victory in Pennsylvania a double-digit win? No

She picked up 10 pledged delegates. That's it.

Now lets get on with it and end this thing on May 6th.

It seems that "the best political team" for Obama in CNN is once again trying their best to do whatever to help Obama.

In this time, why does CNN team forget the "issues" and focus on the "distractions"?

Maybe, for them, everything against Obama is a "distraction", and anything good for Obama is an "issue".

I think you said it all and best in the second paragraph when you said, calculated another way, more traditional way, she got the double digit. Once again this is bias in the media, if it is not done the one way why bring it up. I think if you look back at all the others it is always done the TRADITIONAL WAY. MOVE ON.

My god.. no one did this when Obama won his states.. stupid.

This is funny. Clinton's campaign is so deperate to pad the numbers that they're arguing over a decimal point. If she would have won be 20 percent like everyone was saying a few weeks ago, then there wouldn't be any debate.

Clinton can't close the deal. She has the political clout and has gotten nowhere with it because freshman senator Obama has been able to inspire people where she just bores them, scares them into voting for her, or gets their votes by default because she's not black.

Obama 08.

so now its clinton's people that want to "disenfranchise" people? Just to get a double digit win, the fact of the matter is with every vote counted in pensylvania she won by 9% end of story, not 10%….

and whats funny is didnt i recall some reps saying that if she didnt see a "big double digit win" that she should drop out…

this is almost as bad as her trying to count MI and FL in the Popular vote count just to say shes higher… whats funny though is if she wants to count everyone really and the census's obama is still winning… whats even funnier is that with MI and FL after the upcoming May 2nd vote, i can almost gaurantee that tiny 100k vote lead she says she has won't even exist… she really needs to just be quite and drop out as shes just damaging the democratic party.

And this is coming from a person in florida that would have voted for Obama, but the votes werent supposed to count.

You want to know why she was so great in florida… because the well educated college grads knw that the votes didnt count and STAYED HOME. and those are the ones that vote for obama… The people that didnt realize the votes didnt matter and Florida had been disqualified went out and voted for hilary… ya thats fair, and Obama not on the ballet at all in MI… ya thats fair., that's like championing yourself after running on an empty ballet claiming everyone loves you.

She has lied more than anyone i've ever seen in a campaign, and shes been cout 3 times already in very large lies just to trick people into voting for her

IM SICK OF IT!

Yet Clinton faces a triple digit deficit in delegates, so…

Regardless of my political standing, as a computer scientist I am appalled at the "more traditional" way of calculating the difference. That's not a difference - a difference is defined as the delta between two numbers, which is clearly 9.2871%.

Forget rounding - why don't we just say that she won by the exact difference?

Fuzzy math!

The argument over the rounding would surely be relentlessly spinned if it was Obama who had the 9.2 percent victory and had placed 10 percent as the critical number.

Clinton and her campaign would be saying, he can't even win his home state. He didn't get the 10 percent. The win is meaningless. He was up nearly 30 points at one time, and only carried the state by less than 10 points. This proves I am the stronger candidate, my projectory continues to go up as his continues to fall. I am the stronger candidate for the nomination to beat McCain. Sounds like Hillary, doesn't it?

Now I ask you, shouldn't that be the way Obama spin this? And have the media question Hillary as to why she lost so much of a lead of nearly 20 points? Obama should use some of Clinton's tactics. And let the press help him out. Larry

Clinton Supporters are illiterate and thats why they claim its a 10 point margin.

Will they ever accept rounding the numbers if the result would be 8.

for example say clinton 54.3435 and Obama 45.6564. if we round both these numbers the difference is just 8 points.

So the tight thing to do is no rounding at all.

You can't really say 10 is a double digit win, especially when rounding is required to reach 10. Anything above say, 12 would be more convincing as a double digit win.

But 10 or 9, Hillary was suppose to win by 20 or more. No matter how she spins, superdelegates are smart enough to see this.

Hillary is toast!

CNN stop this nonsence.
we will see if obama wins north carolina by double digit or not.

There are no "vagaries of rounding"…math is math, there's absolutely nothing mysterious about it. You don't round off percentages, you round off the total votes. Leave it to the desperate to try and spin statistics by changing the definition of 2nd grade mathematics (by the way…is this what we get for supporting the "No Child Left Behind" education system, Hillary?)

FYI, that's a 6.4% difference in pledged delegates from the state which is the number that really matters in this system

Yep, it's official. These people are idiots … spinning rounding methods? The numbers are what they are, rounding it up or down doesn't change anything. I think the public can handle a decimal place or 2.

It is time for BArack Obama to WITHDRAW. The contest is so close, with Democrats virtually divided down the middle. It would be good for the party if Obama, who is very young and has years to learn (which he needs to do) to withdraw and let Hilary, who is far more capable at this point in life than he is, to run and win. It is irrational for him to hurt the party this way by staying in.

no she did not, but then it would make it harder for CNN to report on a race that isn't even close.

Keep destroying America in the guise of "reporting"

She won PA. along with NY, CA. OH and FL. States you have to win to win in November. She is the best person to run the country

It's OK , I just want the media and CNN to ask Hillary the question. Why she can not clinch the deal? It is very clear that Obama is the real winner. Why you ask? Obama was to be beaten by 20% or more. As it turns out he grabbed some of those Blue Collar workers, some women, old folks and a few racial dividers. We know Clinton only beat Obama by a single lead. The real task is NC, will Clinton cut into his camp like he did hers? I seriously hope you ask that question on MAy 7th.

One point does not change the fact that HE LOST! BIG TIME!

It is so funny. When Barack wins we have never written that he won by 9.31%. No we say 10%. Never do we do that but now with Hillary clearly showing that there is a weakness in Obama's campaign that can be utilized by the Republicans we don't continue to discuss it we decide to create news by saying DID HILLARY WIN BY DOUBLE DIGITS?!

Please. Report news that is important.

And Pelosi, shut up! Are you helping anyone by continuing to make comments that truly sshow that our party can not work together? You are a nut job!

Hillary is living in Lala land! Now, she's going around saying that she has more of the popular vote, which is a lie! She can't count Florida or Michigan and she know this! How can she have more of the popular vote when a survey showed 58% of people don't trust her!!?
The National poll of polls shows Obama is ahead of her nationally over 10% and he's also slightly edged out McSame, and I think, come November that margin will be much bigger for Obama. If even half of HIllary's supporters go over to Obama in the fall, he will beat McCain!
Go look at the figures from Pennsylvania. Hillary and Barack each got around a million votes, McCain in the republican race didn't even get half that. I think there are a lot of republicans who will write in Huckabee in the fall, which will take votes away from McCain also.
Huckabee is still getting 30% in a lot of republican races! Add all these factors to the fact that 78% of Americans are unhappy with the current policies, which means only 30% think the same way Bush and McCain do!

It's interesting how the Obama people question Hillary's double digit win but the Clinton people haven't done this to Obama's wins. Goes to show you the Obama people are big babies.

Sen Obama himself has said the a win was 50 plus one so why so much debate about this. She won, move on. This just shows you that money can't buy you votes.

It just depends on whether one would rather round the two numbers before the final answer, called estimating. This method is used just for convenience. I use this method all the time when tipping. Or if one would prefer to round the two numbers after the final result (all numbers after the decimal are used to get the actual result.) If you are a cheap tipper, then use this method.

So When Hillary says she won by double-digits, she is just estimating the two numbers before the final result and not using any of the numbers after the decimal to get the actual result which would be 9.2871. From Hillary's perspective it just looks better.

"As for the only numbers that really count: it appears that Clinton will walk away from the state with a double-digit edge in pledged delegates — 83, to 73 for Obama."

wait, thats just a 6.4% difference - even less of a margin

Check your 5th grade math books again. At .5 or more you round up, not down.

I thought Obama supporters were magnanimous, but they fret .

Time for Clinton lovers to learn how to do MATH.

9 or 10….IT DOESN'T MATTER

Popular Vote - Obama
States - Obama

Dels: the ONLY metric that counts - OBMAMA!!!

Get a clue ladies.

Rebecca - So now we have old math, new math, and political math where the rules are shall we say "highly flexible"?. CNN's acceptance of the Clinton method by calling it "traditional" does not hide that fact that accuracy is the victim and is of little consequence to those wanting to call the PA results a double digit win.

The old phrase "Figures don't lie but liars figure" comes to mind.

Now you need to teach Hillary and her campaign how to count because they obviously think she is ahead in the popular vote too. We know better. Neither Florida or Michigan counts, and won't count, so they need to quit acting like they will. This is the ONLY way she could possibly lead in the popular vote, but it's simply another Hillary LIE.

And CNN? You guys need to actually do your own stories instead of copying every story you print from other MSM outlets. Barack Obama has the best chance to win against Hillary AND John McCain in the general election. You guys are obviously on Hillary's talking points, and it's really getting sickening. I have turned to progressive radio because you guys have become sorely disappointing.

It's simple math. That rounds down to 9%. It is not a 10% victory.

Hey Clinton supporters: You don't round pre-total! Can you imagine in the Olympics every fraction of a score being rounded up/down? You just don't do it! A 9.5 would be the same as someone scoring a 10! It's bad math, and it's just bad form altogether. She won. Just be happy with that and accept that she won by 9%

And are YOU a 5th grader???? Don't you reporters have anything better to write about than this? More media bias. Give me a break! This woman could lay a golden egg and you reporters would do a story that "although the egg was 14k gold, it lacked shine". Always something negative to say about Clinton. Get a life!

I know you are good in math

54.65 nearest whole number 55

45.34 nearest whole number 45

55 - 45 =10 Ten is double digit number

I am Hillary supporter I know how to do the math

Hillary 08

This was I send to the blog and posted yesterday thank you
This for Obama’s supporters

54.65 nearest 10th is 50
45.34 nearest 10th is 50
50 -50 =0 that mean she didn’t win at all
Are you all satisfied now
Any way Obama will loses in November

Hillary 08 or Mc Cain 08

NO!!

HRC did not get a "double digit win" as any fifth grader can tell you.

Of course, the rules never seem to apply to the Clintons unless the rules are in their favor.

They like to either change them or move the proverbial goal posts like when they said they needed 10% or better.

THEN they said, "A win is a win."

Now, HRC claims she is winning the rpimary process because only the states she won should count and that we should include Florida and Michigan votes as well even though she agreed to the rules.

It is the perogative of the Clintons to change rules, results and throw anyone under the bus that gets in their way.

Lets face it Rebecca Sinderbrand From: CNN, we, I mean we Obama supporters, lost PENN bad. 9 points, 9.5, 10 points, it was a wash. We lost; but we did bring it down from 25 points in her best environment, and we did drain her of cash in an area that she should have been able to take for grangted. Lets not cry over fractions. We should just use the lessons learned to win Indiana, another of her best environments. Cheers

Delegates: Right now it is 10, how about the extra the 2 remaining.

Delegates: Right now it is 10, how about the extra the 2 remaining.

"But calculated another, more traditional way…"

If by "traditional" you mean "inaccurate."

I feel like I am living on another planet. These aren't abstract, foreign concepts.

Rounding numbers before the final calculation will always give you incorrect results. You use all of the decimal points you have available until the final number is arrived at. That is the real number. If you want to round at that point for display purposes, fine.

"the results will forever be safely rounded – if you dare – down to 9 percent, or up to 10. The winning margin, it seems, will remain in the eye of the beholder."

HUH? This isn't art, it is math. What is going on here? This is absolutely insane. Numbers are numbers.

From the PA State Election site
Obama = 1,037,953
Clinton = 1,245,911

Obama = 45.4
Clinton = 54.6

Pay attention here…

54.6 - 45.4 = ????

9.2

I don't care if you round it. You can leave it as 9.2 for all I care. But if you are going to round it, you can't round it to 10.

If Clinton feels the American people are stupid enough to believe her popular vote comment when Obama was not even on the ballot in Michigan, and the American people actually believe her logic, then you all deserve what you get if she wins the nomination.

Oh don't forget, in Michigan how many people voted against her without even having an option; that has to tell you something.

Oh the fraction must have favored Clinton so this is a story. The bottome line is that they do this in every primary and caucus. Sometimes it favors Clinton and some tmes it favors Obama..The majority of democrats in Pennsylvania want Hillary as there Presidential candidate. End of story lets move on.

9%, 10%…Whatever. Hillary had a solid win either way. But she can't catch him and the longer this goes on the more likely we will lose in November. If Hillary is a leader like she says she is, then she should know when to step down for the greater good instead of pressing on for personal gain. Obama needs her in November and with him in the White House and her in the Senate, we can change this country for the better.

"double-digit edge in pledged delegates — 83, to 73 for Obama." Which amounts to nothing for her, as you well know - she needed better than a hundred dlegates to come out of this viable. But you media hypes insist on playing games with the American people. Except now we know you do this - the power to shape this election is rapidly slipping through your fingers, which is why the media has gone so negative on Obama. But it won't work - we know you now, and we don't believe you. This nation's political conversation is about to change in a big way, and clearly you're not ready for it. Obama is our next President, get used to it.

This has NEVER ever ever ever ever ever ever been an issue in any other primary. The parsing of tenths of percentages and the rounding up or down has NEVER come up before today. The Obama cheerleading squad is truly desperate in their attempt to dilute Mrs. Clinton's win. Final analysis of the vote is ALWAYS done based on the percentage of the total vote count, which is 55% for Senator Clinton, and 45% for Senator Obama. Period.

In the end, however, it doesn't really matter. Hillary's gonna wipe the floor with Barack in the end. His shiny veneer is beginning to crack.

CNN,
Give her a break. I used to resist the call that you were the anti HRC network.
Yet stories like this only feed into this and make your reputation into question.
Phil

Hillary has more votes from democrats than any other candidate in the history of the DNC. Oh what a shame it will be for her to lose the nomination to someone that can not win in November…, NOT!

Nine or ten; nothing more than bragging rights, doesn't make a difference to me. What should mater, yet has yet to be reported, is that the popular vote comparison ignores the difference between a caucus and primary format.

For example, Obama won all 14 caucus contests to date. As a result of those contests alone, he has earned 320 delegates to Senator Clinton’s 172, or a 148 delegate advantage of almost 30%. This delegate selection process resulted in a total vote favorability of approximately 202,000 for Obama. Compare these victories to Senator Clinton’s win in Ohio. She picked up 75 delegates to Senator Obama’s 66, or a 9 delegate advantage of about 5%. Clinton’s Ohio win was backed by a 229,000 vote favorability. Can anyone seriously argue that her net 7,000 vote advantage in this comparison has any relevance when Obama’s delegate lead of 139 represents an advantage of 22%?

To those that believe in the validity of a raw vote to vote comparison; I would suggest that you must also argue that six nickels are more valuable than five dimes and oranges can be used as a substitute when you make your next 4th of July pie. Get real, if you expand the vote difference to include those that caucus voters represent, Obama would pick up over 2 million votes.

Everyone knows that the percentages are rounded up or down. This "demand for extra decimal places" is yet another example of CNN's anti-Clinton bias, and their way of trying to diminish Clinton's impressive win over Obama.

total number of delegates in Pennsylvania = 156
Clinton gets 83/156 = 53.2 percent -> 53 percent (rounded)
Obama gets 73/156 = 46.8 percent -> 47 percent (rounded)

so thats a winning margin of 6 percent… with respect to delegates

Wait, let me get this straight. Not even regarding all the hoopla about double digits but from all the racket about winning PA all she gained was 10 delegates.

Excuse me… I need to get something out….

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA!!

Whew, I needed that laugh.

Happy Friday all.

No she did not! it is very simple math but then again her campaign has not done much to show that they can do math they have been lying about her campaign debt in there fillings she is as far as we know 15 million in debt going into Penn, She spent a ton of money there and struggled to make 10 million in the 24 hours following the win.

Go Obama 08 Yes We Can

Obama won more pledged delegates in Idaho and Kansas than Clinton did in Pennsylvania. It is ridiculous to say this is the big win Clinton needed. She is done.

Democrats must fix the problem of FL and MI delegations now.

Democrats, including Dean, Obama, and Hillary, should know that nothing is more important now than resolving the problem of FL and MI delegates. Without resolving this difficulty will leave an open-ended primary process, create chaos at the convention, and eventually suffer a defeat in the general election. Here are the reason why: (1) Obama can get the more pledged and super delegates, he still may not be able to reach the required number for the nomination without including FL and MI. (2) Hillary may have less pledged delegates, but more total with the super delegates. However, she still will not have enough to win the nomination without FL and MI. Then what to do? One way or the other, the DNC has to invent rules in order to elect a nominee. Howard Dean keeps saying “rule is the rule”. Anyone who says this simple does not understand the reality: you have to invent rules eventually. There is no other way out this year; why not fix the problem now? Other important reason for fixing it now is to leave some room for the two candidates to reach the required number before the convention. The most convincing way is to have FL and MI redo the primary. However, this may not be possible because we run out time. The next simple thing, which is still OK, is to accept the FL result, and let the MI Democrats decide how to seat the uncommitted portion. I estimate that, after doing so, Obama will still have a small lead in the pledged delegates. However, both candidates now know how to do to win the remaining competition. Whoever gets the needed delegates will be the nominee, and the result will be acceptable to supporters on either side. I strongly urge Howard Dean to work with both candidates to fix this problem immediately. Doing so not only helps Hillary but also Obama, because if you keep saying “rule is the rule”, you are handing FL and possibly MI to John McCain. At the same time, the supporters of Obama and Hillary will split more deeply and result in defeat for the Democrats in the general election. Dean, Obama, and Clinton: please understand that you have to invent rules eventually. Why not fix the problem now when there is a hope for an acceptable nomination process and a win in November?

The most accurate method is to do the rounding on the difference. To round the the two percentages before finding the difference is much less accurate. I think I learned this in elementary school.

Most accurate calculation:

54.6435-45.3564=9.2871 (rounds to 9.3) This is clearly closer to 9 than 10.

She won.

People let's face the truth. If Hillary had won by 1 point, she still would not have gotten out of the race. She actually needed to win by 20 points, not only in PA, but also the rest of the next 10 contest to have a chance at winning the delegate race. Because when it's all said and done, the rules of this race say that the first person to reach 2025 delegates is the winners.
She's not going anywhere. Even when she loose Indiana and North Carolina, she will just move the goal post again. I just can’t believe the DNC has allowed her behavior to go on this long.
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The way that you have always showed the results is to round up or round down. Why CAHNGE now? Maybe because you are bias and are trying to sway peoples minds. I think this is absolutely wrong. Hillary showed last Tuesday that no matter what the obstacles are, in terms of being out spent by 3 -1, having a media that is pro-Obama that she still can win BY 10 points. She cares about the people and when has the opportunity to show people that she wins. Obama is trendy and will not win in November.

GO Hillary 08

All this squawking and from this - her last best chance to win pledged delegates - she's netted only ten. She's cut Obama's lead by well less than ten percent AND well less than 9.5 percent.

That's right, she won by 9.2%. But since Clinton cannot count, she claims it is 10 and a double-digit. But the woman has never really bothered with the truth anyway, so is this surprising ?

so all that lying and attempting to obliterate Iran only netted old girl 10 delegates. OMG she's desparate and it isn't pretty. Bill must be so proud.

Who cares. She beat him when outspent more than 2 :1 and with the most hostile press coverage of any candidate in my 24 years of voting memory. Focus on that, why don't you, and let Sen. Obama go back to his waffle.

Well, since its so close I'll give the nod to Hillary - she clearly doesnt show much regard for sticking to what she says anyway, so its not like a 9pt victory would have sent her any different message than a 10 pt victory, other than its nice for her to say "see, you told me i had to reach that to stay in the race, and i did the voters have spoken"…but the reality is, regardless of a 10 pt victory or a 1 pt victory, she would have marched on with some new reason why Obama blow and she rules…which clearly to this date, the voters dont actually agree with her, as far as the majority goes - clearly many do.

Im guessing after she losses NC by a healthy margin and Obama can then say to her "now im the one who's received the most votes, legitimately or otherwise"…she will sing a new tune "we need to let MI & FL revote, those votes dont count" even though, just yesterday, she said "if you count them, as i do"…

its only to her benefit, and when its not, new position.

I really don't understand what all the fuss is about. Ask ANY statistician, mathematician, physicist, chemist, etc. and they will all tell you that according to the rules of mathematics, rounding is NEVER done in the middle of a problem (precisely because it will give you situations like this). You always round your FINAL answer–meaning, you subtract 45.3564% from 54.6435% to get a difference of 9.2871%, which is rounded down to 9%.

There's really no argument about it. This is how the math is done correctly. I would argue this point no matter who the margin favored. It's just simple math. I don't understand why this is still up in the air.

After everything is said and done, KILLary Clinton only gains 10 more delegates. She will never get more pledged delegates than Obama. I hear the fat lady humming!

We will take 9 or 10 doesn't matter…she won!! She is going to do it again in Indiana and NC!!! Go Hillary!!

The point is that she needed a double digit win and she did not get it!! It's not that hard to do that math and figure that out!

Obama '08

She won by double digits, tell Barack supporters to go sit down somewhere and figure out how they are going to get Barack out of this mess with the Rev Wright.

So ten delegates. Minus the two net superdelegates Obama picked up this week. Net eight for Clinton.

Quite the rout.

To - may - toe, To - MAH - toe

"But calculated another, more traditional way"

You mean in an incorrect way?

10 delegates will not help you win the nomination.

Go Obama

SUPERDELEGATES

I WILL NOT VOTE JR PAGE BOY OBAMA SO IF HILLARY IS NOT ON THE TICKET I WILL VOTE MCCAIN.

THINK ABOUT YOUR CHOICE.

JR OR EXPERIENCE

THIS NATION DOES NOT NEED TO TRAIN A JR WE HAVE TO HIT THE GROUND RUNNING AND BALANCE THE BUDGET.

She only nabbed 10 pledged delegates from the last, biggest state left in the primary race?

She was down -160- pledged delegates. Now she's down 150. She simply cannot make that up. She just lost.

Here's another 5th grade math problem: Is 9.9% greater or less than 10%?

How about a higher level question?

This whole debate is an indication of:
a) our failing schools
b) some people's ability to suspend reality
c) our collective silliness in thinking this issue is really important toward who should be our next President
d) all of the above

CNN you have to get that double digit in there somewhere huh. The rules change as we go along. It doesn't matter because if Hillary steals the nomination, (that's what it will be if she gets it), the republicans that have switched to Dem (the new voters), the young voters, the single moms and the African American voters will not vote for her so John McCain wins.

You cannot present statistical information and then say it depends on how you slice it. The margin of victory is what you average higher or lower not the percentage of each candidates' stats. The margin of victory is lower than 9.5% and therefore should be counted as 9% and not 10%

You cannot spin a definitive discipline like mathematics. That is just wrong. Put the bias aside and that is the true result.

talk about trying funny math, obama supporters make me sick!!!

Obama play race card and won all the black vote in my State of PA. His dirty politic will bring him down to his knee and won't be able to win other races anymore. His future will follow his black separatist preacher. Obama, please get out of the race now for the sake of our democrat party. You can not win in the general election by folllowing
your preacher's ideology. You can change a landscape but not your
preacher 's heart and yours. American knew your dark side and will never vote for you again. Hillary is the best choice now. Vote Hillary is a vote for the best future for all people around the world.

I'm sooooooo ready for this thing to be over.

She picked up 10 delegates,real game changer,I think not.

This is news? This is what the best political team on television provides? Give me a break CNN. I am starting to believe the spin that the media is biased in favor of Obama.

Senator Obama did outstanding in PA he reduced a 20+ point lead to 9. In a state that was supposedly taylor made for Senator Clinton, that suit is a little baggy about right now.

Obama 1,046,220.00 45.4%
Clinton 1,260,444.00 54.6% 9.3%
2,306,664.00 100.0%

CNN, you made a mistake, admit it!!!!! The fact is the 9.3 is not 10. You can help her spin it whatever way you want, but she did not get the double digit win that everyone says she needed to prove she has momentum. Well she didn’t get it. This is outstanding news and the tide is turning. The delegate floor is coming to Senator Obama.

Obama 08/12

How is it possible that Hillary winning by 10% can ONLY win 10 delegates. You are wrong CNN…She must have won way more than 10 delegates..

Anyway delegates do not matter…we are winning big states..

Go Hillary!!!!

why round up or down? Hillary won with 9.2871% which is a singel digit. Easy math. But hillary supports love using strange and fake math to argue their case.

It doesn't matter whether she won by 9% or 10%. What matters is the fact that she gained only a few more delegates than Obama from PA. The state may be a victory for her, but it didn't do much to bridge the gap in the overall delegate count.

for some miserly 10 delegates net, this woman is throwing the democratic party under the bus!

SHAME ON YOU BILLARY!!!

Come on you Obama supporters. She won Pennsylvania period. Who cares if it is by a decimal fraction? SHE WON. So stop your usual whining and face it. She is the stronger candidate and Pennsylvania has spoken. She will be our nominee. We are working hard here in Florida to make sure our votes are counted. I am sure Michigan is doing that as well. So for your Obama supporters, it is a long road ahead for you and your Senator. I sincerely hope she will win Indiana and make a real good showing in North Carolina. HILLARY CLINTON ALL THE WAY TO THE WHITE HOUSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So lets split hairs. She won the state move on.

I'm an Obama supporter, but I'm totally comfortable with the world saying she won and he lost PA. Fractions of a percent is irrelevent unless we're talking about the Electoral College in November, which we're not. The main thing is we stay focused on the issues and move forward with the selecting of a delegate, whoever it is.

The percentage of difference in votes should be cited which is 9.3%. You cannot first round the percentages and then take the difference. For example, if your bank would handle your account that way you would be very surprised.

All that destruction within the Democratic Party for 10 more delegates. Thanks Hillary. You keep on fighting until John McCain becomes President! Thne you and Bill can take that 23 million dollars you have sacked away back to New York. Some of us are aware that you have more money than you are pretending to have. Pay your bills first, then worry about how much money you and family will walk away with. Yes, America she is not only fooling her supporters, but also Obama supporters and the rest of the American people.

The over 10% or under 10% is a psychological issue that is not totally irrelevant (and yes 9.3% is less than 10%, in case anyone really needs to be told that). Oh, and by the way, picking up a net 10 delegates is only a 6.3% win in terms of delegates.

The important issue really is that before the PA primary, HRC needed to capture 58% of the delegates from the remaining 10 contests and uncommitted superdelegates.

After her best state to make up ground, she now needs 60% of the remaining delegates. Congratulations on the big "win".

Considering the reaming states are almost certain to stretch Obama's delegate lead, Hillary will need to capture some 75 to 80 percent of the remaining superdelegates.

Does anyone really think this is in the realm of reality? Perhaps on planet Clinton. Fortunately, we (at least most of us) don't live there!

To uneducated Clinton supporters yes they wl round off to 10. But to anyone educated enough there is no way you can round off to 10. thus straight forward. you do not round off votes. votes are real people the difference is measured in percentage not votes. so dont even think of rounding off votes coz it makes u even more stupid. CNN you are real out of touch you know the answer is 9. admit it she wont shoot you for that.Traditionaly way sorry we were not born that time we liv in the 21st century and we deal with the presentand the future not the past. I didnt know you have to use two methods in order to certicify yr goal. TO ALL THOSE UNEDUCATED OLD ANCIENT DWELING PEOPLE THE ANSWER IS THE SAME ITS 9%.FACT.

For the record, rounding numbers before calculating solutions is an incorrect method mathematically and scientifically because it compounds errors, which is why the two numbers are not the same. In that sense, the 9.287% solution would be the only correct one.

I'm not just making this stuff up. My college professors take points off for those kinds of mistakes.

waoo good CNN you are finally stating the facts, great.

please could you now do a report on the clinton's (campaign debt?)
also the vendors who are not paid……………
also the lie that she is getting 10 million a day by donors..

until you see receipts from the clintons do not believe anything they say, and even when you see them, you know still not true.

the papers from the white house shoed she had ZERO experience compared to what she claims..

she is a liar…………

I cannot believe that she gain only 10 delegates !!
is that a BIG WIN?

SIMPLY she did not win by doubl digits

OBAMA 08

I have a question for those who think Michigan and Florida should be counted. Now follow along carefully, because considering the spelling and grammar of most Clinton supporters, this might get a little confusing for you. Both Clinton and Obama signed a pledge that those delegates and votes would NOT be counted and there is video of Clinton strongly agreeing that those votes would not count. Neither campaigned in either state and Obama's name was NOT ON THE BALLET in Mi. So I guess this means that Clinton beat herself in Michigan? LOL Anyway, lets offer up a little scenario. We all know that the Indiana and North Carolina primaries are coming up. Lets just say that two weeks before these primaries, both of these states broke a major party rule and both candidates agree that the votes should not count. But the states went ahead with the primaries anyway. Lets even this up to compare with Florida and Michigan because by all means, we must be fair. Clinton removes her name from the ballet in Indiana (just like Obama removed his name from Michigan) and Obama's name stays on. Both names stay on the ballet in North Carolina but no one campaigns in both states (just like florida). So Obviously, Obama wins Indiana since his name is the only one on the ballet and since he is now ahead in N.C. by double digits and no one is aloud to campaign, he wins N.C. also. This scenario is EXACTLY like what happened to Mi. and Fla. But reversed to favor Senator Obama this time, instead of Senator Clinton, because like I said above, we must be fair. Senator Obama suddenly falls behind in the delegate count and the popular vote and wants the votes counted in Indiana and N.C. (yes, I know this isn't possible, but it's just a scenario. Work with me here people!) Ok so my question is, how many Clinton supporters think this is fair? Should we count the votes from Indiana and N.C.? Even though Senator Clinton's name was NOT EVEN ON THE BALLET IN INDIANA and Obama had a clear and unfair advantage in N.C.? Let me add also, that in my scenario, the Michigan/florida thing never happened. Come on Clinton people. Lets hear from you. Fair or not fair? Makes you think, eh? I can't believe that you people want this dishonest, lying, scandal-ridden woman to be our next president. If she does manage to lie and cheat her way into the nomination and somehow beats McCain, you will all get what you deserve in the end. Another republican nightmare.

Rebecca Sinderbrand of CNN - The more I think about it, the more I realize that Hillary's people must have worked you over really good, to get you to write this story. The mere fact that, as you report, "the campaigns were watching the results hover around the 9.5 mark" is telling. Even 9.5 is not 10 (though I suppose it would allow Hillary to round up and claim bragging rights). But, guess what? It ended up falling SHORT of the coveted 9.5. That's the real story. Yet you write the story as though there's STILL a viable argument that that HIllary won by doube digits. You even go so far as to call her post-hoc rationale "traditional" math, when it is not math at all but pure unadulterated spin.

If it matters to the media whether she had a double-digit win or not…

1. She must not have won so convincingly. Lead went from 25% down to 9.2% in six weeks, in basically Hillary's home state #3 (she's such an opportunist journeywoman when it comes to politics she has more than one home state). That is not a convincing win.

2. Her campaign is desperate for anything positive. "Double digit blowout!!" "Comeback of the decade!!" "Turning the tide!!"

How's this for final tally: lost 15.8% of her 25% lead in PA, and gained 12 delegates on Obama. That's it! 2 delegates per week. Great win there in PA….

Not exactly what I would call "turning the tide" there when she's STILL lagging behind 160 delegates and half a million popular votes.

If the total votes were 500,000,000, statistically rounging up or down is insignificant. Given that it's only about 2,300,000 votes in PA, every percentage point counts. So the difference between 9.20% and 9.28% is means a lot. Of course, math is not a subject that Hillary's uneducated voting base knows.

Obviously, that horrid woman did NOT get a double digit win but the horrid media will continue to say that she did. I have NO FAITH left in this country's media. They continue to report on Rev. Wright, someone's pastor who is retired while ignoring things like th fact that Clinton is being sued!! Where is the coverage of Clinton vs. Paul??? That woman is a lying, horrible monster and I CAN'T BELIEVE!!! how many idiots are falling for her crap! She lies! She cheats!! She can't manage her own stupid campaign and can't pay her bills. She failed at trying to initiate universal health care and no one seems to care. She is trying to get votes to count when she CLEARLY SIGNED AN AGREEMENT THAT THEY WOULDN'T!!!!!!!!!!!!! and in one state SHE WAS THE ONLY ONE ON THE BALLET!!!!!!!!!!!! What? did she beat herself?? How stupid and pathetic is that??? WHAT IS WRONG WITH EVERYONE!!!! I can't afford to put gas in my car, but we are talking about rev. wright. I can't afford to buy food this week but we are talking about rev wright. Bill Clinton continues to make racist comments on the election trail and we are talking about Rev. Wright. Hillary Clinton has taken illegal campaign contributions but we are talking about Rev. Wright. She flat out lied about NAFTA but we are talking about Rev. Wright. AHHHHHHHH!!!!!!! I want to move to Canada where the sane people live!!!!

When you have to dissect the result of one state's primary with a scalpel, you must ask yourself, "what's the point?" Hillary won, and no one can argue that. But at the end of the day, her 10-delegate gain doesn't scratch the surface of Barack Obama's overall lead. No more upcoming states will award so many delegates as PA to give HRC a chance to catch up to Obama.

Hillary's campaign wants the media and the public to keep focusing on the numbers in PA to keep our attention off the numbers that really matter - the overall delegate count. Unfortunately for poor Hillary, those numbers cannot be spun in her favor: She is going to lose.

It doesn't matter. Clinton is still behind in the popular vote, delegate count, and number of states won. And won't catch up. Tinkering
between one or two metric decimal points won't change that fact.

WILL YOU LET SEN. CLINTON HAVE THE 1 DIGIT TO MAKE IT 10 SO SHE CAN SAY SHE WON BY A DOUBLE-DIGITS PENNSYLVANIA, BECAUSE IN THE END SEN.CLINTON WILL SAY IT WAS A LONG HARD FOUGHT CAMPAIGN NOW LETS GET BEHIND OUR DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE SEN. BARACK OBAMA.

OBAMA 08

Stop pushing this story CNN…

SHE WON!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ACCEPT IT

It is not a double digit win period!

The media, Clinton idiots always trying to make it sound better than it is, Obama is ahead in the delegates and popular vote, doesn't matter what Hitlery does, she is mathematically out of the race, she even tried to claim she has the popular vote, so what, she is still behind in the delgates count, anyone recall the 2000 elections?

Obama will win and besides, Clinton is lying, she is NOT leading in the popular vote, just more of her crap and lies.

Who cares whether it's nine or ten… it's way too close a race across the country by ALL counts for anyone to be claiming victory or accepting defeat.

On a somewhat related topic…

Why do I see an adverstisement for Hillary Clinton when I click on the politics section of cnn.com?

I realize that CNN has an underlying Clinton fetish, but this is out of control. I have not seen an Obama advertisement.

What's up with that? Be fair CNN. Be unbiased. I double dare you!!

US ARMY VETERAN

Who cares? She won get over it. Move on. I want to get this thing over with.

that's just the way the math has always been done. Why don't we go back and waste time recalculating ALL of the primary results based on the NEW math that the Obama camp wants to use just to say the margin was a trite less than originally announced and not truly double digits? And by the way, 9.3 is a double digit win, 9 & 3 = 2 (double) digits if you want to get technical. Do you think it matters to the Clintons whethr it's a 10 or 9 point win? What a waste of time.

by the way, OBAMA IS A HYPOCRITE.

Are you serious!

It really does not matter to me. As an Obama supporter I see this as a win due to the fact of him closing the gap. I know HILLBOTS, you can whatever you want to, but to me, he won. He is still leading in every major count and most people beleive that he WILL be the nom in november! But I have resigned myself to vote for the queen if I have to, unlike HILLBOTS who will jump ship just to sptie Obama and his supporter. GO and vote for the GOP, we WILL WIN anyway, so it does not bother me. I am not a racists, like the queen's people are. You can say what you want, but at the end of the day, you are. That is OK, one or two more generations will go by before racisim is dead. 21st century my butt. I am ready to take MY goveremnt back from the compaines and corporate lobby who own this goverement now. When I cast my vote for Obama, that is me sending a middle finger to washington, because they are there for themselves and special interest. Obama will go to washington for me and my fellow americans, not the latter. But he faces many challanges, and we will, as the Obama nation, will prevail, even over the evil queen of america(she really thinks that she is everybody!!!) So you HILLBOTS, go ahead and shoot yourself in the foot, enjoy it, savor it, because when Johnny Mcbush wins, you will be worse off than you are now. Then the Obama nation will have the last laugh!!!!!

Camp Clinton scores with 9 minutes left in the game. Camp Obama has a solid lead and the support of millions even though he was a heavy underdog before the game began. Bill is watering the field and attempting to bribe the refs. It looks as though the state of North Carolina is preparing to give Obama a lift after Hillary's attempt to move the goal post. Camp Hillary is getting vicious and irate after being charged with personal fouls in Florida and Michigan.

Camp Hillary wants the penalty yards given back even though she agreed to play by the rules at the beginning of the game. Camp Hillary insist that the refs declare her the winner if she gains the most yards even though Obama has scored the most points and played a clean game.

Give it up Camp clinton, that's not how the game is played. Hillary Clinton will not be on the ticket people so get over it.

Obama 08

regardless it has not made any dent on obama campaign

I believe CNN is racism they always report bad things about Obama I only heard thing bad about Hillary and that was the Bosnia lies that Hillary made, why CNN not reporting how so many people did not vote in the Philly area that the polling maching did not work, what about McCain did