April 28, 2008
Posted: 02:53 PM ET

NEW YORK (AP) — New York Cardinal Edward Egan says Rudy Giuliani should not have received Holy Communion during the pope's visit because he supports abortion rights.

Egan says he had "an understanding" with the former presidential candidate and New York mayor that he is not to receive the Eucharist. The Catholic church opposes abortion.

The cardinal said Monday that Giuliani broke that understanding when he received the Eucharist during Pope Benedict XVI's visit.

Egan says he will be seeking a meeting with Giuliani "to insist that he abide by our understanding."

Giuliani's spokesman says she is preparing a response.

Filed under: AP • Rudy Giuliani


Grif   April 28th, 2008 4:58 pm ET

How Idiotic can a Guy get?.. They're both live in Cuckoo Land..

DF   April 28th, 2008 4:58 pm ET

Why don't folks leave him alone. His religious beliefs are between GOD and himself. It is no ones business but his own.

Linda Li   April 28th, 2008 5:02 pm ET

Religious lunatics.

Stacy Clarks   April 28th, 2008 5:02 pm ET

Are you serious, what right does this cardinal have on telling someone else how to practice their religion!!

the last time i checked, he is NOT God, how dare he judge him and tell himm what he can and cannot do with his faith

Religion is a personal thing, I wish HUMANS (in ALL religions) will stop walking around like they are God, and let people practice their faith as they see fit…ITS A PERSONAL MATTER!! MIND YOUR BUSINESS, AND LEAVE THE JUDGING TO GOD AND GOD ALONE!!!!!

I M INSULTED BY THIS CARDINAL!

Marshall in Nebraska   April 28th, 2008 5:10 pm ET

NEWS? Who cares!

Cynthia   April 28th, 2008 5:10 pm ET

In this as well as the Reverend Wright issue - the bible says judge ye not lest ye be judged.

mitch from ark.   April 28th, 2008 5:12 pm ET

who cares what the catholic church thinks?they do not have a monopoly on the people,of the world,or even christians as a whole.they pretend like the pope is GOD on earth,[calling him the HEAVENLY FATHER]. his opinions don't matter,as he is not an american citizen.communion is to be in remembrance of Christ,and has nothing to do with Guill's opinions on abortion.

j.a. jORDAN   April 28th, 2008 5:13 pm ET

The Cardinal has no right to refuse communion for pro-abortion advocates. Where is their church law that mandates such practice? I am Catholic and will continue to receive communion and believe abortion is an option in certain situations such as rape and to save the mother's life.

Independent   April 28th, 2008 5:15 pm ET

This is why the Catholic Church sucks. You support abortion, that's fine, but we'll hold you hostage by denying you communion.

john williams san diego, ca.   April 28th, 2008 5:17 pm ET

Will an alter boy please remind Cardinal Egan about Kerry, Pulosi and the entire Kennedy clan about his own liberal leanings.

Ken   April 28th, 2008 5:17 pm ET

Ahh, smell the dog-ma…I think it just crapped on the American rug.

But it is deliciously ironic that a high-level [R] is exposed to the kind of religeous dogmatic exclusion that is similar to the type he and his party is trying to perpetrate politically on the American people. All of you devout [R] catholics should be very proud.

Giulliani would gain some points in my book if he told the good cardinal that he could stick his "understanding" where the sun don't shine.

John, Brooklyn, NY   April 28th, 2008 5:19 pm ET

As a good Baptist, I can't help but point to this situation as the very reason that there are Protestants.

1) How DARE a clergy dictate public policy! and
2) How DARE a clergy insert himself between a believer and the rites of his faith!

marianna   April 28th, 2008 5:19 pm ET

Not only abortion rights are the issues with "catholic" Rudy. He is also divorced and re-married, thus, living in sin - and suddenly a communion? How does this go with Rome teachings?

Sarah   April 28th, 2008 5:22 pm ET

This is ridiculous! If people cannot receive communion unless they believe every word the Catholic church tells them, then hopefully nobody will receive communion. Religion should help guide people's opinions, not work as a dictator.

Ron--Texas   April 28th, 2008 5:23 pm ET

If the Cardinal is going to refuse communion to someone apposing abortion rights, he must also refuse communion to those supporting the death penalty. By not making the same stance on both, he is making a political statement and his diocese should lose it's tax exempt status.

Sally Martinez   April 28th, 2008 5:25 pm ET

Cardinal Egan must be Republican.

The Pope   April 28th, 2008 5:25 pm ET

Rudy never did read the 9/11 Commission Report

john jackson   April 28th, 2008 5:27 pm ET

I would like to know if the good cardinal refuses holy communion to politcians who are pro death penalty too? The church is also very strongly against the death penalty but the good cardinals seems to lose tract of this point. Maybe he should enforce ALL church doctrine and not the ones he chooses to enforce.

R   April 28th, 2008 5:27 pm ET

and he gives communion because he can read their mind? about half of them are probably for abortion

Susan   April 28th, 2008 5:27 pm ET

They call the pope Holy Father not Heavenly Father.

kingsley   April 28th, 2008 5:27 pm ET

hypocrite

Praetorian, Fort Myers   April 28th, 2008 5:28 pm ET

This Cardinal–should never speak of spiritual or personal counseling issues between a parishoner (Guliani) to the general public. These issues are between the Priest, the parishoner, and God.

Shame on you Cardinal.

Joe   April 28th, 2008 5:34 pm ET

World, let me introduce you to Catholicism.
Catholicism, World.

Theresa   April 28th, 2008 5:34 pm ET

This is typical of the Catholic church and why I turned my back on it as soon as I was old enough to make the decison.

There is only one true judge and that is God, right? Or does the Cardinal think he IS God?

Whatever…

Danny G. Boca Raton, FL   April 28th, 2008 5:38 pm ET

I do not understand the Cardinal? The belief that a public servant respecting the laws of the land never bothered Jesus… this is silly!

Jim - Tucson   April 28th, 2008 5:39 pm ET

This makes perfect sense to me. For centuries religious leaders have been making up cr*p as they go. Why stop now?

Paris   April 28th, 2008 5:39 pm ET

So what.

God Bless America   April 28th, 2008 5:40 pm ET

Guiliani is NOT CATHOLIC!!!! He is using the church as his political back drop. Where was this cardinal or the Catholic Church when he was cheating on his wife, or getting married for the Third Time? Guiliani needs to STOP this show for the public!!!!! He's trying to put himself in a postion to get the Catholic vote for his next run for office.

pakuna   April 28th, 2008 5:49 pm ET

The Holy Eucharist is the most important of the seven sacraments because, in this and in no other sacrament, we receive the very body and blood, soul and divinity of Jesus Christ. Innumerable, precious graces come to us through the reception of Holy Communion. The Church sets out specific guidelines regarding how we should prepare ourselves to receive the Lord’s body and blood in Communion. To receive Communion worthily, you must be in a state of grace, have made a good confession since your last mortal sin, believe in transubstantiation, observe the Eucharistic fast, and, finally, not be under an ecclesiastical censure such as excommunication. Sorry but Guiliani knows the law of the church. He knew he should not have taken Holy Communion. However the Cardinal should not have brought the issue to anyone but Guiliani.

A Catholic   April 28th, 2008 5:50 pm ET

And to John Jackson,
The death penalty is not considered by the Church to be an instrinsically evil action, as abortion is. Thus supporting capital punishment is not on the same level of offense as supporting abortion.

UCCRusty   April 28th, 2008 5:50 pm ET

WWJD? I think he'd welcome you to his table regardless of who you are or where you are in life's journey. You are all welcome at a UCC church near you.

Morris, MN   April 28th, 2008 5:50 pm ET

Ron–Texas April 28th, 2008 5:23 pm ET

If the Cardinal is going to refuse communion to someone apposing abortion rights, he must also refuse communion to those supporting the death penalty. By not making the same stance on both, he is making a political statement and his diocese should lose it's tax exempt status.

Praetorian, Fort Myers April 28th, 2008 5:28 pm ET

This Cardinal–should never speak of spiritual or personal counseling issues between a parishoner (Guliani) to the general public. These issues are between the Priest, the parishoner, and God.

Shame on you Cardinal.

- The two basic points here. Posters protesting that the cardinal shouldn't dictate or interfer with a parishoner's practise of their faith forget that's the purpose of clergy in most organized religion (not only catholicism). Part of me loves this though. Giuliani belongs to the very party that has manipulated the public into not just accepting, but expecting and encouraging the current entanglement of religion and politics in this country, does he not? I wish it would backfire on some of these people more often.

A Catholic   April 28th, 2008 5:51 pm ET

Excuse me, I should have said that an understanding of the faith which is SOLELY personal has no historical background in the Church.

Ken   April 28th, 2008 5:52 pm ET

I love it when the baptist comes on and says "how dare the clergy dictate public policy"! He should go to one of his churches in a red state……and then report back to the rest of us.

And I love it when the good catholic marianna "piles on" Rudy, and reminds him of his other sins. Good to hear from a cardinal Egan supporter.

There are reasons we've had to suffer through two terms of the current dimwit-in-charge……

A Catholic   April 28th, 2008 5:56 pm ET

CNN,
Please be fair and post both sides of the spectrum. Thanks

Unfortunately, virtually all of the bloggers on this blog have completely missed the point, and in the process become enormously hypocritical. On the first point, the Catholic Church is a community, it is not a personal religion. Such an understanding of faith as solely personal, i.e., between Me and Jesus, is a modern American notion which has no historical background or merit in the Church. Cardinal Eagan has every right to instruct, challenge and admonish members of his flock. His job is to see to the well-being of the souls entrusted to his care. The Church teaches that receiving communion in a state of serious sin dangerously imperils the soul of the one who receives. Cardinal Eagan is trying to help Rudy, not harm him. What people here don't realize is that by receiving Holy Communion, one is explicitly stating that one believes all that the Catholic Church believes, professes and teaches. That is what it means to receive communion. Just look at the word: communion. In other words, by receiving Jesus Christ in the Eucharist, I wish to celebrate and confirm my communion with the Catholic Church.
Secondly, all of those bloggers who have said that Cardinal Eagan has no right to challenge Rudy are being hyprocritcal. In fact, they have no right to tell Catholics what to believe, how to worship, and how to practice their faith. It is absurd to criticize a cardinal for doing his duty as a faithful Bishop by saying that he has no right to do his duty.

Pam   April 28th, 2008 5:56 pm ET

Why exactly is this news?

JR   April 28th, 2008 6:01 pm ET

Good thing he didn't get the nomination, what with having to denounce the Pope and all…

The Dude   April 28th, 2008 6:01 pm ET

Edward Egan is exactly what's wrong with American Catholosism.

Hans   April 28th, 2008 6:01 pm ET

How Idiotic can a Guy get?.. They're both live in Cuckoo Land..

Mary   April 28th, 2008 6:04 pm ET

If we all listen to the New York Cardinal Edward Egan then NOBODY will be taking communion!

Better still NOBODY will be coming to your church as EVERYONE SINS. EVERYONE!!!

Lets get real in 2008 PLEASE!

June W   April 28th, 2008 6:12 pm ET

Are you actually saying that a member of the clergy OTHER than the Rev Wright can do something worthy of critisism?

Shocked   April 28th, 2008 6:26 pm ET

Last time I checked, sin was sin, regardless of degree. The Catholic church has been very clear in its opposition to the death penalty–which means that those that engage in that behavior are committing sin, by extension. Why doesn't the church deny communion to those politicians that support or stand in judgment in cases with capital punishment. The church is playing politics here, quite obviously.

Denise   April 28th, 2008 6:28 pm ET

I am glad cardinal egan spoke, the church and morality needs to be respected. Mr. Guliani has no morals or respect for anyone

J.Winn MA   April 28th, 2008 6:30 pm ET

Hmmmmm Very Interesting! I have zero respect for Rudy and was raised in a RC Family. However, this seems a tad out of line with the Catholic Church's Policies and Teachings in my mind.

Does Cardinal Egan also feel that women who have had abortions and confessed their sin through the Catholic Confession Rite to their Priest should also be restricted from Holy Communion? I would have to ask, "What Would Jesus Do?" And I don't believe his actions or words would be in keeping with those of Cardinal Egan. "Let He Without Sin Cast The First Stone."

Douglas   April 28th, 2008 6:30 pm ET

Mr. Blitzer:

Concerning your remarks about Senator McCain, a sound bite was shown about him making a statement about staying in the war. You reported that was not all that was said and showed the entire interview of what Senator McCain said. My question is why didn't you do the same concerning what Rev. Wright statementd instead of showing sound bites every 10 /15 minutes , not once did you show what he said before or even after the sound bite that was repeated!! I don't know how many times. You are suppose to be a fair journalist in reporting the news; you sound like a card carrier to me. If you don't know what that means, ask some black employee there at CNN, and if he or she is honest with you they will tell you that you sound like a member of the KKK. I won't stop watching CNN because some things are good that you report.

Mianne   April 28th, 2008 6:31 pm ET

Just to clear something up - Rudy is NOT pro-abortion. He is against abortion (on a personal level) - he just doesn't think it should be illegal. There is a huge difference.

mitch from ark.   April 28th, 2008 6:32 pm ET

well,he's not my 'HOLY FATHER',either.my HOLY FATHER is GOD.

lol   April 28th, 2008 6:36 pm ET

the cardinal and rudy had an agreement, not the pope and rudy. who cares, some catholics are pro choice.

PMN   April 28th, 2008 6:45 pm ET

What difference does it make, he's going to hell anyway… ; )

Sean McM   April 28th, 2008 6:45 pm ET

It was appaling to see his total lack of respect……like during his campaign when he made jokes about the Church and his many marriages. Why was Communion even given to him???????

Philly Kid   April 28th, 2008 6:46 pm ET

I am not sure to which extent this Cardinal is authorized to broker deals with members of his congregation, then publicly chastise them as if we were back in the 15th century.

JCB   April 28th, 2008 6:47 pm ET

I don't really care if Rudy received communion or not — but, the point here is that he broke an agreement. However, it's over. Rudy pulled a fast one, and the Cardinal has to live with it.

Bill, Manhattan, NYC   April 28th, 2008 6:48 pm ET

holy father, small H and F please.

David H.   April 28th, 2008 6:50 pm ET

While the Catholic church does have the right to limit who can partake in that denomination's ceremonies, I think it's silly to limit based on a matter of political interest, considering that Catholics whose beliefs differ from Catholic theology in other areas are granted communion.

Charlotte   April 28th, 2008 6:51 pm ET

Who cares what Giuliani does at this point? Lets talk about Rev. Wright..

Dana from Texas   April 28th, 2008 6:53 pm ET

He disrepected the Catholic Church. No one is surprise! Remember, he thinks he is clean as a whisle.

Jack in ND   April 28th, 2008 6:56 pm ET

If there is a God, this is nobody's business but His and Rudy's.

Greg   April 28th, 2008 7:06 pm ET

Wake up everybody! If you're not Catholic you obviously don't know what you're talking about by criticizing the Cardinal. If you are Catholic, then shame on you for falling so far away from an understanding of the faith. You have no defensible position here. Wrong is wrong. You can't rationalize any good when it comes to abortion. Not yesterday, not today, not tomorrow. In this day and age nobody wants to hear they're wrong when it's clear they are. Rudy better check his response - the lightning may be more than a warning this time.

Bubba   April 28th, 2008 7:22 pm ET

God himself/herself is gathering his thunderbolts for the Cardinal and "Rev." Wright…I'd hate to be in their shoes ! ! !

Facist Democracy   April 28th, 2008 7:25 pm ET

Is this America or what? With the Christian consumed media coverage, politics, and growing hatred towards untraditional religions rising in America. I truly believe that we're forming a facist democracy.

Jamal   April 28th, 2008 7:29 pm ET

in america , it's not enough to disagree, one must hate…funny that we are so traditionally anti-catholic we don't see other flaws. we never question a ban on driving a car on saturday, or forbiding mixing certain food, that's odd.. are we so afraid to criticize? we call ourselves tolerant but we love to hate catholic church…it became the american favorite pastime..

Michael from Notre Dame   April 28th, 2008 7:32 pm ET

Doesn't the word "Catholic" mean "universal"? Once again, the Church proves its own hypocrisy. No wonder they are losing more and more followers by the second.

CYNTHIA   April 28th, 2008 7:32 pm ET

Who in the Hell cares. That man needs something. And he is trying to get on the right side of God. Leave it alone. Why are we talking about this stupidness. Rev. Wright, now this man! Please, stop the madness. I am sick of the Rev. Wright stuff, now Gulli. Please lets talk about our economy, mortgage, GAS Prices, FOOD Prices, Education, Healthcare, etc. This stuff has got to stop.

PLEASE!!!!!

CYNTHIA

JJ from Arizona   April 28th, 2008 7:36 pm ET

maybe he wants Rudy to puke back up and give it to him?

JS   April 28th, 2008 7:43 pm ET

The Cardinal has a point.

alex lombard   April 28th, 2008 7:49 pm ET

nothing surprises about Guliani he has always been a piece of work

J   April 28th, 2008 7:51 pm ET

To Greg:

Finally, an intelligent response.

Thank you!

Couldn't have said it better myself.

J.

em   April 28th, 2008 7:54 pm ET

point is that for the catholic churc if you are divorced you CANNOT get communion and remarry in church. so rudy should have NOT gotten communion beacuse hes super divorced not because he's pro abortion.

but anyway both things are ridiculous.

EG from Fl   April 28th, 2008 7:59 pm ET

I am a Christian Republican. I think abortion is tragic and do not condone it. That being said, I think it is a social problem, not a political. Making abortion illegal would not solve any problems. Instead we need to teach people to have self respect, practice safe sex. Need to teach young people not use abortion as a form of birth control. Young people today have such a nonchalant view of sex and sex with multiple partners and they seem to have no concern for the health of their bodies or the risk of pregnancy. That is the real problem.

Additionally, while not surprised, I am disappointed that the cardinal would make such a statement. Whether Guiliani receives communion or not is between him and God. For the catholic church or any church to play God is a travesty.

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