May 23, 2008
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Paterson disagrees with Clinton over Florida and Michigan.
Paterson disagrees with Clinton over Florida and Michigan.

(CNN) – New York Gov. David Paterson, a supporter of Hillary Clinton's White House bid, said Friday the New York senator is showing signs of "desperation" in her continued push to get the full delegations of Michigan and Florida seated.

"I would say at this point we're starting to see a little desperation on the part of the woman who I support and I'll support until whatever time she makes a different determination," Paterson told New York radio station WAMC, according to the New York Daily News. "I thought she was the best candidate and I thought she had the best chance of winning."

The comments come a day after Clinton delivered a fiery speech in Florida demanding that that state's delegation, as well as Michigan's, be fully seated at the party's convention in August. The party stripped both states of their delegations last year after the state legislatures there voted to hold their primaries before February 5.

Clinton won both states' primaries, though Barack Obama removed his name from the ballot in Michigan. Clinton uses popular vote totals from both Florida in Michigan in her claim that she is beating the Illinois senator in the overall popular vote.

“I have heard some say counting Florida and Michigan would be changing the rules,” she said at a rally in Boca Raton. “I say not that not counting Florida and Michigan is changing a central governing rule of this country, that whenever we can understand the clear intent of the voters, their vote should be counted.”

Paterson, a Democratic superdelegate, said he disagreed with the party's initial decision to penalize the states, but added he thought the party should now "leave it where it is."

He also noted none of the presidential candidates — including Hillary Clinton — objected to the penalty when it was imposed last year.

Filed under: Hillary Clinton


Jason   May 22nd, 2008 4:52 pm ET

Like the rest of us, Patterson can now see the light at the end of the tunnel.

Darryl   May 22nd, 2008 4:52 pm ET

Well, isn't that surprising. Gee is he included in that 92% that is for Obama on the "issues".

JJ   May 22nd, 2008 4:53 pm ET

Well at least some of her supporters at the top are now realizing what she's doing. Desperate is the key word here. She is puliing out all the stops and I really hope that she will stop after June.

christine   May 22nd, 2008 4:53 pm ET

I agree - does anyone besides Clinton folks believe their own bull? Her campaign's reasoning is completely nuts!

Real Feminist   May 22nd, 2008 4:53 pm ET

"Desperate" doesn't begin to describe it…

The once inevitable nominee has been bested and cannot accept it…

Mike   May 22nd, 2008 4:53 pm ET

I noticed the deperation too recently… She has been desperate since she realized she was running against other people.

Joe - Wilmington, DE   May 22nd, 2008 4:54 pm ET

Twisting the truth — that is what Hillary does so well.

In so many words even her backers, the ones with brains, are telling her it's time to stop.

Chuck, Democrats United We Stand   May 22nd, 2008 4:54 pm ET

One of the smartest comments I have seen come from anyone in a long time. Petterson is dead on with his comments and thank you for stating so publically.

Terrence (Winston Salem, NC)   May 22nd, 2008 4:54 pm ET

She is desperate. If they are seated "just the way they voted", then what are the rules for?

There has to be some kind of punishment.

Bridgette-PA   May 22nd, 2008 4:54 pm ET

He just noticed?! Well, better late than never. Hopefully, he can get the other supporters to see the obvious too!

OBAMA-08!

Deb   May 22nd, 2008 4:55 pm ET

I know that what I witnessed in our "Texas Two Step" was horrifying!

What happened wasn't close to meeting election laws and it was not democratic!

It is why I know that Obama and his thugs have stolen this Primary season.

The fact that they ended up with more delegates then possible is the sure proof of "Funny" business.

I will never vote for a cheater!

AJ, IL   May 22nd, 2008 4:55 pm ET

Notice the following two sentences that Patterson spoke:

"I thought she was the best candidate and I thought she had the best chance of winning."

He says he is still supporting her but used past tense in describing her candidacy now. Patterson show have said 'I THINK', not "I THOUGHT"!

It's okay Patterson. We know you want to support Obama.

Obama in 08!

Paul In Seattle   May 22nd, 2008 4:55 pm ET

Clinton agreed to the arrangement. Obama took his name off the ballot in Michigan. Neither gave speeches in Florida.

Saying that you "won" in Michigan is ridiculous. That's like having an illegal street race where one driver pulls out cause he knows it's wrong, but then the other keeps going, claiming a victory in a race that wasn't even valid, against an opponent that didn't even race.

But hey, at least you won in West Virginia right? That means you'll be President, doesn't it. Time to bow out gracefully and endorse Obama.

Democrat '08

Mike in Columbus   May 22nd, 2008 4:55 pm ET

Getting?… um, think you mean "Has been since Super-Tuesday"

JT   May 22nd, 2008 4:55 pm ET

Rule-breaking for HER benefit. Not our country's. Desperation indeed.

White Woman FROM FLA supporting Obama   May 22nd, 2008 4:55 pm ET

Did any of you think that many people who want to vote for obama didn't go to the polls .. did any of you think that there was a realestate thing on the ballot in FLA at the time. and that why there was big turn out.. C'mon .. she desprate and backstabbing the democratic party..

Capt. Smash, Salt Lake City, Utah   May 22nd, 2008 4:56 pm ET

EVEN THE BLING GOVERNOR CAN see WHAT HILLARY IS DOING!

Ann   May 22nd, 2008 4:56 pm ET

I don't think she's desperate….I think she expects to get what is rightfully hers. Obama is not President material…and he CANNOT win against McCain….Obama cannot hold a candle to Hillary Clinton. She's brighter, more experience, and has more integrity than Wright's right hand man, Obama. The very fact that he is already looking for a running mate…he hasn't even gotten the nomination and he probably won't…by the grace of God…God Bless America…..Hillary 08

cnn loves hillary   May 22nd, 2008 4:56 pm ET

–wow,

what took him so long to notice that?

she is worst than bush..

only fools would vote for someone who said yes to war, only fools.

Independent for Obama   May 22nd, 2008 4:56 pm ET

Well, I appreciate the fact that Patterson is sticking by Clinton, but at the same time presenting a fair view of where the nomination is headed. I think he should be commended for his loyalty, even though it is apparent to him that it is only a matter of time before Obama is the nominee.

And I hope his eye is better after the surgery!!

Truth   May 22nd, 2008 4:56 pm ET

I thank God for giving this man the true honesty to say that. "No one objecting to it.". I also agree that the 2 states should not be seated for their lack of character to the rules. If they change the rules for Hillary what message does that send to our country and to the world!

AK   May 22nd, 2008 4:56 pm ET

He is cheating again.

Elly   May 22nd, 2008 4:56 pm ET

Hillary does not have the dignity or integrity, or concern for her party to
gracefully exit this race even with the odds stacked against her
She is so self absorbed she would rather tear the party down until it becomes so devisive a democrat will never win in the fall
The media keep putting her up on some pedestal and tearing Barack Obama down at every chance they get
Well guess what *hes still standing* and ahead
the only way they the Clintons will win this is to cheat lie and steal!!!
how any American can vote for them in good conscience is beyond my comprehension
Obama will walk to the white house with his negatives in a suitcase
The clintons would need a moving van for theirs
you stay strong Senator Obama you have *good energy* on your side

R.I.F.   May 22nd, 2008 4:56 pm ET

I'm sure about 95% of the top democrats agree 100% with the Patterson. It's just that Clinton and her bullies have to be treated delicately unfortunately since she's so childish.

Really?   May 22nd, 2008 4:56 pm ET

Even a blind guy can see it!

sh   May 22nd, 2008 4:57 pm ET

maybe some more of her close supporters/financiers can huddle around her and tell her how she is tearing apart DEm party. How does Sen Clinton voters will forgive her for what she is doing like a whiner. Media should check the people who are trying to organize the protest who these people are supporting and it will be very clear Sen Clinton. SUPERS LOOK WHAT SHE IS DOING TO THE PARTY, MAKE HER STOP WITHA RESOUNDING NO TO HER. IWAS IN FAVOR OF HER MAYBE AS A VP BUT SHE HAS SPENT ALL HER GOODWILL FROM VOTERS. IT IS GETTING DANGEROUS DEMS MAY NOT WIN IN NOV PUT AN END TO IT.

BIFF, BIFFINGTON...   May 22nd, 2008 4:57 pm ET

and this is from a male, black, superdelegate supporter of hers……

Texas girl   May 22nd, 2008 4:57 pm ET

She just doesn't get it! It was all fine and dandy when she thought that she had the democratic nomination locked up. She underestimated Obama and now that she's LOSING, she wants to change the game. Desperation is reeling its ugly head. Every week she comes up with a new reason for staying in the race. Hillary, how about taking some time off to figure out how you're going to pay your debts?! Just about everyone knows that this primary race is over–except for you. Desperate AND delusional……

Enlightened Voter   May 22nd, 2008 4:58 pm ET

Okay Clinton supporters, us Obama supporters don't have to say a word, he said it ALL.

Edison from Strubolt County   May 22nd, 2008 4:58 pm ET

Desperation is a sickening odor, and HRC should bow out. For a woman of her stature, she should have bowed out when she could have done so gracefully. Now, she is fouling the name of herself, her family, her supporters, the Democratic Party, and the United States of America. The system we have is set up the way it is for reasons. In the land of the free, we play by the rules. If you agree to the rules, along with everyone else, you have zero wiggle room. You're like a teenager going back on a promise Hillary. Please, please just quit digging yourself, and those of us who want a united Democratic Party, in a giant hole. It is now time for damage control. Best of luck, HRC.

America 08

OMG   May 22nd, 2008 4:58 pm ET

Hillary would be fighting very hard against seating these delegates if they favored Obama………..she likes to bend the rules when they are in her favor only.

She signed the same agreement that everybody else did. Now she wants to ignore that fact. Is this the kind of thing she would do as President? If so, I do not want her in that office. She is clearly not a person who can be trusted to keep her word when she agrees to something……even in writing!

KE   May 22nd, 2008 4:58 pm ET

Some people are still asking odd questions like "What does Hillary Clinton want?" Hillary decided to run for President in 2008.

A majority of Americans said they want Hillary Clinton.

I really believe Hillary is the only candidate with a stronger and wider coalition and could win in November.

I just can't see that with McCain and Obama.

Moe   May 22nd, 2008 4:59 pm ET

Finally some people on her side are starting to see the light.
Thank you for finally noting her lack of opposition to boycotting Florida and Michigan back in the fall. Only when she is losing a growing more desparate does she finally "care" about the will of the voters.

Mike in Columbus   May 22nd, 2008 4:59 pm ET

Too bad two of her biggest supporters spearheaded the effort to not just not seat the delegates, but to strip them entirely, so that no one could play political games with those delegates in the primary.

Maybe should start by apologizing for that to FL and MI and then admit the real reason she is their champion NOW.

Natalie   May 22nd, 2008 4:59 pm ET

I agree. She's out of control w/ this Fl and MI stuff. She agreed to the rules beforehand, and now wants to change them only to suit her individual purpose. I think it's wrong, and it's even more deplorable that her supporters are going along with this and rallying in DC. Right is right and wrong is wrong, and regardless of whom you support, you have got to be smart enough to see that this is a ruse. I'm supporting Obama over Clinton (after A LOT of consideration because I've always had a firm respect and love for the Clintons), but I was willing to support her as well if she won the nomination. I will not support her if she wins by this means.

Democrat '08

Joseph, Los Angeles   May 22nd, 2008 5:00 pm ET

The Governor speaks the truth; she agreed to the rules and now she is the ring-leader for ruining it for everybody and purposely dividing the party.

tupac   May 22nd, 2008 5:00 pm ET

Astute man, despite his fast and loose manners when it comes to keeping his zipper closed. Any sane person willing to indulge a little bit of their brain cells can see that this whole argument is meangless and is a complete waste of our time.
What is worring me is that the DNC has no spine, just like a lot of people suspect. Are they scared of the Clintons and if so why?

Whiskey   May 22nd, 2008 5:00 pm ET

even your drones are seeing your true ego driven colors. give it up.

joe   May 22nd, 2008 5:00 pm ET

What more needs to be said?

David Goldman for OBAMA   May 22nd, 2008 5:00 pm ET

WELL SHE HAS USED THE RACE CARD, THE JEWISH CARD,

THE WOMAN CARD, & IS RUNNING OUT OF CARDS.

SHE IS CLOSE TO ACCUSING OBAMA OF BEING A MARTIAN.

Jim, Burlington NC   May 22nd, 2008 5:00 pm ET

If the rules don't suit you - change the pants-suit er rules…

Cindy- St. Louis   May 22nd, 2008 5:01 pm ET

"Desperate"? YA THINK????????????

I hope and pray this nightmare ends soon, for the good of the people, the Democratic party and our beloved country.

OBAMA 08

Back to reality!   May 22nd, 2008 5:01 pm ET

It's interesting how the CLinton camp and her supporters continue to gloss over the fact that Clinton was the only major candidate on the Michigan ballot. If the people who voted in MI are being disenfranchised, what about the people that did not vote because thier candadite was not on the ballot? Or do only Clintons supporters have the right to vote? The only fair way to solve this problem is a revote in both FL and MI. Seating the delegates the way they already voted is ludidris and another cheap and low tactic of the Clinton-win-by-any-means-neccesary-scorched-earth-approach.

HSU   May 22nd, 2008 5:01 pm ET

At least he is honest about it. He is also brave enough not to fear to offend the Clintons.

Victory for Hillary   May 22nd, 2008 5:01 pm ET

Who to thank for the Florida ~ Michigan debacle??

HOWARD DEAN

Victor, NJ   May 22nd, 2008 5:01 pm ET

Why aren,t there enough pundits asking these loonies that come on there show where was the outrage when the DNC decided that the FL & MI votes would not be counted. These people make me sick, everybody knew the rules when the primary stated. To suddenly change the rules to benefit your interest goes against what America stands for.

Jaci   May 22nd, 2008 5:01 pm ET

I'm glad he's being honest. I wish Clinton's supporters would stop blinding supporting her. The reality is she could careless about Florida and Michigan being disenfranchised. All she cares about it winning the nomination. They didn't matter when she agree with the penalties and they don't matter to her now.

Counting the days 'till she's gone   May 22nd, 2008 5:02 pm ET

Bye Bye Hillary,
don't let the door stop you from leaving.

FrankSmith   May 22nd, 2008 5:02 pm ET

Why do the Clintons always "crew up" whatever they touch, including Paula, Monica, Whitewater, White House items…. and the list goes on!

When will the Dems find the time to uplift their nominee for the general election?

What are the Dems interested in: a fair nominating process OR a dynasty of families?

soy   May 22nd, 2008 5:02 pm ET

Its rather unfortunate that this lady will try to destroy the party simply because she doesn't get her way. She signed off on the rules from the beginning. This fight would've been a lot easier prior to the beginning of the nomination process but where was she? It would've even been easier prior to Super Tuesday or even up till the end of February but she was no where to be found then. She falls behind in March and then starts this whole movement around "fighting for the rights of all Americans." I'm not for taking away people's votes but everyone understood the rules including the state officials that approved it, the people that went to vote and the candidates. Furthermore, I hate deceit and I hate when people think they are so smart to pull a fast one of me and others. Hillary Clinton is doing exactly that to try to steal this nomination. This would be the first election that I'll be voting in only if Obama is the nominee because if Hillary steals it I'm not willing to taint my first vote with this deceitful and self-serving candidate. Plus, there's no way in this world that I'll be voting for McCain

Thanks Gov Patterson

Greg   May 22nd, 2008 5:02 pm ET

In true Clinton fashion Hillary is playing like the rules of the game do not apply to her. This is the exact reason that I do not agree that she all the ability and experience to lead this country as her supporters think. Michigan and Florida knew the consequences of breaking the rules and they did it anyway. Do you think that Hillary would support seating the delegations singing the "everyone's vote shlould count" song if they were critical for Obama? This is just another example of the ruthless, selfserving spin Hillary puts on everything. With her Grandmotherly smile she lies to our faces. I know that playing fair is not what most politicians do but she is taking this to another level. Hillary, the citizens of the country you would like to lead are not as stupid as you think!

Mai   May 22nd, 2008 5:02 pm ET

Senator Clinton is only doing what is correct in our democracy. Every vote should be counted including those in Florida and Michigan. Those who oppose these votes are Obama supporters who want him to win by default and corruption. Senator Clinton cares about all Americans and voters. Obama cares only for those who vote for him. He did not get the majority in either state and he knows that. I just heard his speech in Florida. What a disgusting show. Anything to win is his motto.

RB   May 22nd, 2008 5:02 pm ET

“I have heard some say counting Florida and Michigan would be changing the rules,” she said at a rally in Boca Raton. “I say not that not counting Florida and Michigan is changing a central governing rule of this country, that whenever we can understand the clear intent of the voters, their vote should be counted.”

Hmmm. WHAT HAS CHANGED SINCE BEFORE THE PRIMARIES AND NOW TO CAUSE HER TO COME TO THIS CONCLUSION?

Before she found out she was losing, she was perfectly fine with "changing a central governing rule of this country". (PAY ATTENTION FL AND MI) Superdelegates, would you please put this horse down!? It's suffering and will not survive the primaries. Sometimes you have to save people from themselves. FL/MI do you REALLY think HRC cares about your votes counting if they are for Obama? She didn't care until she lost. DON'T BUY HER SNAKE OIL, PEOPLE! You're smarter than that!!!!!!

Fla Sam   May 22nd, 2008 5:03 pm ET

She started to get desperate weeks ago. I wish someone would talk some sense to her and get her to step down. What she has been saying is only going to hurt us Democrats in November.

Hillary - go all the way - dont worry about the party !!!!   May 22nd, 2008 5:03 pm ET

Please vote for Hillary.She is the most electable candidate.I know it and so do the few million fellow repubs.Vote for her because she is a woman.
Vote for her because she is most electable.If you ask me, this primary itself is a joke.How dare the black man even think he stood a chance.No way !
Also seating MI and FL is very important. After all we want her to be in the WH at any cost. Obama is trying to change the political system.He thinks he can run the show without the lobbyists.Well, we will show him.
McCain + Hillary - after all they share the same values !
McCain + Hillary - till eternity !

Sonja Midgette A typical white female   May 22nd, 2008 5:03 pm ET

I am just a typical white female who retired when I was 42, have 4 college degrees, teach at a college in Florida and will never vote or be a member of the Dem Party again…I have never seen such bias against a woman in all my 62 years, why don't you just make Obama the King of America…I thought that some of the media were suppose to be reporting the news not voting for the PEOPLE…Sonja M.

Terry   May 22nd, 2008 5:04 pm ET

Hillary you are the best but the media and government doesn't want you. So they are force feeding us Obama.
I will write Hillary on my vote in November just like alot of people will. Obama will no way win in November.
Most of all Hillary supporters will write her name in or vote Mc Cain.
The End

Hello....hello....   May 22nd, 2008 5:04 pm ET

HELLO? She's been desperate since the day before the New Hampshire primary. Where have you been?

She's a low-life, selfish, self-centered woman, who will stop at nothing, and I mean nothing to get what she wants. She wants to be president, and she can't STAND that the American people have something to say about that.

sdn   May 22nd, 2008 5:04 pm ET

Thank you Gov. Patterson for being forthcoming on the realism in the new episode of Queen Hillary's demands. She is extremely desperately objectionable now since she's losing but all the while she was ahead she never objected to the penalty. Fla. and Michigan I hope you see that she could careless about you she just wants to win and win by any means necessary.

Sherri   May 22nd, 2008 5:04 pm ET

Which rules will she uphold? Honesty, integrity and responsibility are values we need in a President. MI and FL both broke rules established in August of 2006. There was no surprise in their punishment. It fit the behavior. They knew it before they decided to flaunt the rest of the country with their terrible behavior.

Why didn't the people of FL & MI protest their state legislators very, very poor decision at the time it happened?

Hillary Clinton is showing a very negative side of her character in this fiasco. Which rules will she abide by? Is she above the rules? Absolutely not. Shame on you Hillary Clinton.

John Cruz   May 22nd, 2008 5:04 pm ET

Madness right and left, so this how the country will be under the democrats, Obama or Clinton and their “super”delegates? Maybe our country would have even been worst than now if we have a democrat in the white house. I’m SOO FRUSTRATED with the inability of the party to come together. I voted for Clinton, but now even a kindergarten can tell who will win this primary, and instead of rallying around the clear party bearer, we just smear Sen. Obama with too many negatives and compromises his chances of winning. With all due respect to Sen. Clinton, even if she go to the presidency in a miraculous way, the credibility of her presidency will be tainted, and all of us will suffer.

arc   May 22nd, 2008 5:05 pm ET

Only in America….

Jeanne, San Diego   May 22nd, 2008 5:05 pm ET

She can always run in 2012 and she might consider that a governorship wouldn't be such a bad item to add to her resume or even a cabniet appointment. The point is, she has options. Losing this race isn't the end of the world for her. She'd server herself better by doing everything she can to unite the Democrats. She can use the time win friends & influence people and next time she runs, she'll have a much better strategy.

GERIATIC   May 22nd, 2008 5:06 pm ET

DO YOU HEAR WHAT I HEAR? VOICES OF REASON, WHISPERING WORDS OF WISDOM, ….LET IT BE….. LET IT BE.

58 white old ladies for OBAMA   May 22nd, 2008 5:06 pm ET

WE THOUGHT THE CLINTON DIRT DIARIES IN THE WHITE HOUSE

WERE THE LOWEST THE CLINTONS CAN GO. WERE WE WRONG

OR WHAT. THE TWO OF THEM USED THE RACE CARD, THE

WOMAN CARD, THE JEWISH CARD THE ELITIST . WE DREAD TO

THINK WHAT CARD SHE & SLICK WILLIE ARE GOING TO USE NEXT.

Beltway Insider   May 22nd, 2008 5:06 pm ET

'Desperate' would be one way of putting it. Another way to put it would be 'insane' or 'psychotic'.

Julie   May 22nd, 2008 5:06 pm ET

Hmmm.. even a blind man can see the writting on the wall!

Best line in this story:

"He also noted none of the presidential candidates — including Hillary Clinton — objected to the penalty when it was imposed last year."

Says it all.

Obama 08

She's the Pill of the Century.....   May 22nd, 2008 5:06 pm ET

Sore losers never quit, but they cheat, lie, and nag you to death until you do.

Don't do it Barack, we are with you.

T Williams   May 22nd, 2008 5:06 pm ET

Hillary has a problem - whether it's emotional, psychological or mental, she has a problem.

We have not even begun to see the train wreck that is coming down the pike. I wouldn't be surprised if she eventually takes this to the supreme court in the end.

Obama could have 2025 votes, 2209, or 10,000.

She will just keep moving the goal posts and demanding more rule changes .

Dave in Houston   May 22nd, 2008 5:07 pm ET

Florida and Michigan should not count. Both states were told by the Democratic Party when they could and couldn't have their primaries, and both states violated those rules. Did the voters in those states think the party was bluffing? They ended up wasting their time in what really amounts to a straw poll.

It is so obvious why Hillary wants to count FL and MI: in states where no Democrat campaigned, the candidate who has better name recognition wins. When Hillary won those states, few people had even heard of Barack Obama, but everyone knew who the former first lady was.

Cindy - Canada   May 22nd, 2008 5:07 pm ET

An he is a supporter of hers! When will she take the hint and just get out of the race? The superdelegates are letting her make a mockery of the Democratic Party. It has been very "entertaining" but I think the Supers need to take running for the Oval Office a little more serious.

MM   May 22nd, 2008 5:07 pm ET

Nice to see that there are Clinton supporters that realize that Senator's Clinton insistence on Michigan and Florida is a desperate move. I would go so far to say it is also a selfish move. She was offered a Michigan compromise which would have given her more of the delegates but she rejected it. I hear supporters say that it was Obama's fault that he removed his name. As we all know but unfortunately some of us don't hear clearly enough - He was not the only Democrat that removed their names and Clinton agreed/signed and did not argue with the DNC about stripping Michigan and FL - until it was to her benefit to dispute it.

Ardnuas   May 22nd, 2008 5:07 pm ET

I have lost ALL respect for Bill and Hillary.. …I guess this is what happens after fighting with the republicans for the last 20 years… you become just like THEM.
Obama/Hagel ( I want Chuck Hagel to be VP)

shan   May 22nd, 2008 5:07 pm ET

its waste discussing about clintons anymore….she just playoing spoil sport here..

John Okon   May 22nd, 2008 5:07 pm ET

Why are you still supporting her? you said she is desperate and you know she is not going to be the nominee, come and join Obama's boat.

Obama 2008

Venus   May 22nd, 2008 5:08 pm ET

Thank you Gov.!

But you know………..seeing her is funny as hell!

It's also great to see the media is now talking more about Obama and Mc Shame and leaving Hillary out to play in the dirt by herself!

Go Bam!

This doesn't matter either   May 22nd, 2008 5:08 pm ET

No Duh Sherlock? What's your next case?

Audrey Marie   May 22nd, 2008 5:08 pm ET

I think the Clintons are trying to influence Cnn and Cnn is biting it. When I looked at the Situation room today I felt a lot of Bill Clinton.
I think Cnn should stop promoting the Clintons. They cannot be allowd in OUR White House again. They lie, cheat and steal. And that is a proven fact. So stop already. Regarding the polls.
We can set polls anyway we want them to look. Obama has the majority. Clinton should leave so she doesn't do anymore damage to the democrats. She is getting abrasively hysterical. She is doing a lot of damage and her old baggage will all come up in the fall if she dares to try to run. We need chanage. The Clintons cannot and will ot do that.

GERALD STROTHER   May 22nd, 2008 5:08 pm ET

SHE AND BILL HAVE NO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SHAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Damion K. Miles   May 22nd, 2008 5:08 pm ET

This whole delegate thing is a supreme fiasco. Has everyone forgotten that Hillary sat down and decided many months ago that the people of Florida and Michigan should not have their votes counted. Why has she flip flopped? Because she's losing. The facts haven't changed from then 'til now. The only thing has changed is the fact that she's losing her bid to become President. Is anybody else not wondering why she didn't fight this hard when they were making the decision? I would like for someone to ask her why didn't she fight this hard then. I would like to know what she thinks about all of the people who didn't vote. Would they not be disenfranchised if the votes now counted. I agree, both states' delegates should count. The bottom line is this - there is no way to seat any of the delegates without disenfranchising some voters. It's sad, but true. Barack Obama is going to secure the Democratic nomination for President. Now, really, is that news to anyone? Yes, the Clintons.

Brendose, Oceanside, CA   May 22nd, 2008 5:09 pm ET

She won't drop out…….simple as that. She can't……she is representing the millions of women in our workplace who have been told they can't do it, they can't make it.

Yes, this was a gender issue from the beginning……and women see her as opening the gender doors…..it is just unfortunate that she is NOT the best QUALIFIED candidate to run the US.

But the truth can't be disguised, mislead, or deceived anymore. It's obvious now she can't win……..I just wish she was a better sport about it………..

She is ruining the Democratic party, and actually closing the doors on potential other women candidates in the future. Who wants to deal with this kind of woman again? A deceptive, kniving, back stabbing, "say anything" politician who will stomp on anyone who goes against her????

Perry   May 22nd, 2008 5:09 pm ET

She IS the best candidate, but she doesn't have the best chance of winning anymore. This isn't the first time an inferior candidate won…even in recent history (ie: Gore/Bush).

Talk about hope…I'm not giving up hope that the superdelgates will get some cajones and say they're going to vote for the candidate most likely to beat the republicans in Nov. If they stay in their coma, then I'm voting for McCain.

Debby   May 22nd, 2008 5:09 pm ET

Obama isn't to that magic number yet so Clinton can go on which isn't being desperate its called an opponent. When all the states are counted and he gets the delagtes needed she will drop out. It sounds like Paterson is going to be another turncoat and used his desperate excuse in doing so.

WE NEED THE TRUTH   May 22nd, 2008 5:09 pm ET

This is the KEY point in Hillary's argument: She could have done exactly what Patterson did he OBJECTED to the initial vote for the action. What did Hillary do: SHE SIGNED THE LETTER STRIPING FL & MI OF THERE DELAGATES.

Why is she now going agains what she signed and approved….because this is all about HILLARY.

Oregon   May 22nd, 2008 5:09 pm ET

Entitlement - that's the essence of her approach to everything. Rules don't matter to her - only her sense of being entitled. Screw that. All the feminist jargon in the world won't intimidate the majority of voters into saying something loud and clear: we don't like her, and we don't want her.

bill in pa   May 22nd, 2008 5:09 pm ET

It's time for the super delegates to get off the fence and put this primary to bed. The more desperate clinton gets the more the democratic party looks like a bunch of baffoons (sp)

Scott Glenn in Wa   May 22nd, 2008 5:09 pm ET

I have taught my children that they cannot changes the rules of a game just to please themselves, and they understand that there integrity is at stake (they are 9 and 11 years old). Lets all hold HRC and McCrutch to the same standard for our country's sake.

Arunanwu   May 22nd, 2008 5:09 pm ET

This is the first time somebody has stated this whole Florida and Michigan correctly. I am an Obama supporter but I will say that playing by the rules has alway worked for everyone, why change it now. All the candidates, from the begining of this primary season, accepted these rules, including the Clintons. Why cry wolf now? Is it because they are losing? Florida and Michigan knew what they were getting into by moving up there primaries. Now they get to pay the prize. Even if Obama doesn't win, I will NEVER vote for the Clintons for any office.

Independent   May 22nd, 2008 5:09 pm ET

I wish her supporters can see that. If her super delgates see this and how this is destroying the party, perhaps they should start to switch there endorsements so that the Democrats can get on with beating McCain. If not, then the Democrats are doomed to 4 more years of McBush

Trollmaster   May 22nd, 2008 5:10 pm ET

She supported the rules before the primaries, the only reason she wants to change them now is because she's losing. She does not care at all about being fair, all she cares about is herself and grabbing power.

By the remote chance she does win, she's only weaking herself.

The Democrats in charge really need to get behind Obama in the next couple of weeks. They can't afford to wait until the convention months down the road to decide who their pick is. Obama needs to focus on the General election so we don't have another destructive Repubilcan president.

steven   May 22nd, 2008 5:10 pm ET

Sen. Clinton Can't See The Forest Because of The Trees!

Even supporters of Hillary Clinton are aware that in order to win the nomination, let alone the presidency, she has to overcome the public perception of being driven by cold, calculating ambition.

She Didn't Have To Overcome Anythig. Has Been a Non-issue, Because She Is White. People Are Still Voting For Her!

Rico in Arkansas   May 22nd, 2008 5:10 pm ET

IF A BLIND MAN CAN SEE THE WRITING ON TEH WALL WHY CAN'T CLINTON.

STAY IN TEH RACE ALL YOU WANT, BUT DON'T ASK FOR UNREALISTIC CONCESSIONS.

ALL IS FAIR UNTIL YOU ARE LOSING.

I LIKE HILLARY, BUT I KNOW SHE HAS LOST, SO NOW MY FOCUS IS ON GETTING OBAMA THE PRESIDENCY AND THAT SHOULD BE THE FOCUS OF ALL WHO CLAIM TO VOTE DEMOCRAT.

THERE IS NO WAY A "REAL" DEMOCRAT CAN SUPPORT CLINTON AND MCCAIN'S VIEWS THEY ARE NIGHT AND DAY. IF THEY VOTE MCCAIN THEY WILL BE DOING IT TOTALLY OUT OF SPITE.

LOSING GRACEFULLY IS A SIGN OF CHARACTER AND WAS TAUGHT IN EVERY POP-WARNER AND LITTLE LEAGUE. CLINTON SUPPORTS NEED TO REMEBER THAT.

Joe from PA   May 22nd, 2008 5:10 pm ET

I always suspected the Republicans were much smarter than the democrats. This whole debacle just solidifies my theory. I can't wait to see what happens next. All I know for sure is Hillary Clinton is the best player on our team.

Venus   May 22nd, 2008 5:10 pm ET

Thanks Gov! Maybe you should let her know that she won't have her senate job in NY if she continues with this!

KatyR   May 22nd, 2008 5:10 pm ET

Please go away Hillary. You had everything going for you: a tremendous lead in the polls, money, big donors, the weight of the Democratic Party behind you, a popular ex-President for a husband, name recognition and no real contender. You blew it and now you are in debt, trying to change the rules, behind in the popular vote, behind in the pledged delegate count, and in danger of losing your legacy. Maybe it is due to PTSD from dodging sniper bullets, but whatever the reason it is time to get out NOW!

SaveTheDramaFoObamasMama   May 22nd, 2008 5:10 pm ET

too bad obama will get stomped in November.

No, wait.. its not too bad! Bwahahahaha

Go Hillary!!!!

Sara   May 22nd, 2008 5:10 pm ET

What she sees as "strength" and "representative of all women" is actually humiliating many women (not all, but many) and will help fuel continued sexism in this country. Her screaming, name calling and other antics isn't helping (and has driven many people away)

Desperation - I thought she was the "tough" one? Why not go down with dignity and honor - traits of a true leader.

Fred   May 22nd, 2008 5:11 pm ET

Oh dear - cue the "Judas" screams from Hillary's camp. Patterson's publicly stating that FL & MI delegates should not be seated at all!

Rules? We don't need no stinking rules!

Unfortunately for Ms Clinton there are videos on YouTube of her saying that MI and FL would not count … before she NEEDED them to count to continue hanging on by a thread. No insincerity or hypocrisy to be found in that lady, no siree!

Robyn from Grand Rapids   May 22nd, 2008 5:11 pm ET

Forget Patterson—he inherited his job—–plus he's a closet Obamarite.

Hillary—please announce your candidacy as an Independent ASAP. There's no way you can lose if you pit Obama against McCain with you picking up all the marbles.

Hillary08′.

MM   May 22nd, 2008 5:11 pm ET

To Ann — Don't you understand. It doesn't matter whether she thinks she is the best candidate. She has lost. There is not a reasonable way for her to win unless she turns the Democratic party on it's head and ends up destroying it. If, as she says, she wants the best for the country, she needs to drop out now so that there is a chance that we will have a Democrat as a president. If she remains in and stays in all the way to the convention, and ends up getting the nomination — she will not win the general because she will have split the party so horribly and will have turned off the independents.

Terrence (Winston Salem, NC)   May 22nd, 2008 5:11 pm ET

He also noted none of the presidential candidates — including Hillary Clinton — objected to the penalty when it was imposed last year.
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I especially like this point which isn't emphasized enough. Everyone is backing Clinton when she was in on the the agreement.

It's the same with her view on the war. She's so against it NOW. So her followers tend to forget that she voted for the war.

But yet SHE has the experience and judgement???? NOT.

Audrey Marie   May 22nd, 2008 5:11 pm ET

Please stop shoving the Clintons down our throats. They will do a lot of damange to our country if allowed to be in White HOuse again.
Everyone knows it except CNN and hungry news media.. The people know it. Read Washington post polls. Clinton is not winning any states. True Read it. NewsMax polls. Clinton is losing against Obama and McCain. TRUE

Adam, Los Angeles   May 22nd, 2008 5:11 pm ET

Ann,

If Sen. Clinton is all the things you say and think she is, why isn't she winning?

Dylan   May 22nd, 2008 5:12 pm ET

"He also noted none of the presidential candidates — including Hillary Clinton — objected to the penalty when it was imposed last year"

For all you numbskulls who keep blaming Obama for the fiasco in Florida and Michigan… read that sentence. Then read it again and agian until it finally get through to your brain…

HILLARY AGREED TO RULES, THEN (once she needed these states to win) TRIED TO CHANGE THEM!

Ambrose, Ottawa   May 22nd, 2008 5:12 pm ET

That's right, leave it the way it is. Every party rule that seems not to rob Obama to pay the Clintons even the long standing party rules has become wrong. Selfishness! These rules gave Bill nomination in the 90s. God sits in heaven and rules in the affairs of men. God's will amd council alone will continue to stand in American politics. Amen!

Stephina   May 22nd, 2008 5:12 pm ET

Why is everyone so scared to seat the delegates from Florida & Michigan??

I keep reading that Obama supporters are saying that Clinton is trying to steal the nomination and that is just crazy.

Clinton has a right to stay in the race (especially with such a close margin) all the way to the Democratic National Convention. She has every right to have the delegates seated from Michigan and Florida and she every right to present her case to the superdelegates that she has won the popular vote over Obama.

Why is everyone so upset??

It really does not matter because Obama will never be President of United States. I am so amazed that anyone truly believes that is even possible but I guess it okay to have a fantancy.

McCain in 2008

go blue   May 22nd, 2008 5:12 pm ET

Thank you, Governor Patterson!

Finally someone with some sense speaking up!

sophia nyc   May 22nd, 2008 5:12 pm ET

So why don't you stop talking and start doing by defecting to Obama.

Every week it's something new with you on local news here. Do something for heaven's sake.

mmd   May 22nd, 2008 5:12 pm ET

Eventhough he supports Hillary, he can see that what she is trying to do is beyong the pail. She is so sad. Please help her to accept that she is not and will not be the dem prez pick.

HereWeGo   May 22nd, 2008 5:12 pm ET

Getting desperate????? She has been desperate since Penn/ Ohio contests. More like she is trying to make sure Obama looses if she and Bill cannot win back the white house. Just embarrashing.

Peter, Ft. Lauderdale   May 22nd, 2008 5:12 pm ET

Hillary has lost the delegate count, superdelegate count, popular vote,
number of states won. No amount of desperation will change that fact.
In order to be the winner, you have to actually win. She lost. Notice that
the DNC is quiet about all of the media hype? That's because their
decision is final. They will not abide by Hillary's cheating. The most that
they are going to do is give a 50/50 split in FL and MI delegates, which
is the only fair thing to do. Hillary is just bluffing and trying to get the
voters riled up to fight for her just like the bullies who used to push other kids up to fight in middle school. This woman is a trip.

WIll   May 22nd, 2008 5:12 pm ET

The real issue is that EVERYONE in the DNC has stated that they will find a way to resolve the Florida and Michigan delegations. All the rhetoric is detracting. If every one just COOLS THE HECK OFF, the situation will be resolved by the convention. Once again, the democrats will find a way to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. Sheer incompetence versus power hungry dictators. Ventura is right.

Elisabeth   May 22nd, 2008 5:12 pm ET

It is unfair to penalize Florida Democrats for the political maneuvers of the governor and legislature. If Florida isn’t seated, and if this problem isn’t resolved, the Democratic Party will pay dearly in November.

Proud American   May 22nd, 2008 5:12 pm ET

Clinton desperate… so whats new.

Stennis, CA   May 22nd, 2008 5:12 pm ET

I belive the delegates from both Florida and Michagan should not be seated because they broke the rules and they need to deal with the results of their actions.

Let's get this straight   May 22nd, 2008 5:12 pm ET

It always surprised me how low Hillary can go. As previously stated, she as well as Obama knew that the delegates won would not count in MI and FL. Crying foul now is just ridiculous.

And on that same note, for Hillary supporters, this was decided by the democratic party in FL and MI to move up the dates and therefore incur a penalty. Do not blame Barack Obama for following the rules.

JAC   May 22nd, 2008 5:12 pm ET

At last someone from the Clinton camp took courage to admit that Clinton is in complete denial can someone contact Dr. Phil maybe he can help Senator Clinton come to grips with reality.

Obama for President.

Mary   May 22nd, 2008 5:12 pm ET

May God have mercy on this woman. She made statements about the votes not counting. This is one of her dirty tatics to get what she wants. Those states chosed to be penalized and that is how it should remain. Again i will say if you have to do otherwise split the votes in half and then give each of them one fourth of a half. By not counting Florida and Michigan is the choice they made.

Steve   May 22nd, 2008 5:12 pm ET

Desperate? Ya think? I think this guy called her out pretty good.

Blue collar worker   May 22nd, 2008 5:13 pm ET

if obama is crown king, i guess the american people deserve what they will surely get. It will be change alright, just not what you think.

Chuck R   May 22nd, 2008 5:13 pm ET

The DNC will seat delegates from Florida and Michigan. Obama will have to agree to something. He can not decide to just dump on the Democrats from those two states.

We are seeing Obama's leadership skills on this issue and to this point it is to avoid responsibility and blame others. The Democratic Party is in his control as of this moment. That rules committee is looking to his campaign for direction. They already know that Clinton wants the delegates from Florida and Michigan to be seated.

How will Obama lead. We will find out in the next few days. Will he reach an agreement with Clinton? Will he tell the Democrat's in Florida and Michigan to jump off of a cliff? Or, will he blame Howard Dean? His leadership skills to this point has been to blame everyone else.

Let's see what he does… the country is watching.

Max, SD   May 22nd, 2008 5:13 pm ET

Ann, why is the presidency "rightfully" Hillary's? When did she become queen?

JB   May 22nd, 2008 5:13 pm ET

Ding Ding Ding-

Give that man a prize. Desperation is correct!

She is only hurting the party, and she and her supporters are either completely blind, or, don't really care about the party.

This isn't a sporting event! The idea is to vote for the person who is most closely aligned with your views on the issues.

If you supported Hillary, then there is no argument, Obama is your guy. Unless you are a spiteful child!

SamSunny   May 22nd, 2008 5:14 pm ET

I am from Washington, how about counting the voters in my state? Or are Florida and Michigan more important to you than the Caucus states. Your numbers are flawed and you know it. This is getting beyond reasonable. We have had story tellers and misinformation coming out of the White House for 8 years. We don't need a candidate who seems to use the same methods as George Bush - lies. It is time to be a reasonable adult and set aside. Your tenacity looks more like a tantrum now.

Tammy_NH   May 22nd, 2008 5:14 pm ET

CNN,

Why do you keep propelling the lie of the popular vote count? One has to not count the caucus states in the new Hillary math in order for her to obtain her silly numbers. Which oddly enough are white working majority's you claim Obama can't win.

If CNN was doing it's job as reporting NEWS, this outrage would be included in your story. Neither you nor she care about 'disenfranchising' voters in these caucus states that followed the rules. Where is that huge tidbit of info in your coverage?

Rule breakers get the limelight and can make the difference, meanwhile rule followers have no voice in the Clinton-News-Network, I'm really disgusted!

CNN you really are shameless in failing to educate the populace, you get a D- for failing to inform the public. Unless one is a political junkie they have little to no clue as to what the facts are, no thanks to your lopsided and biased reporting.

hakeemsdad, Florida   May 22nd, 2008 5:14 pm ET

Why is she doing this?
To bring more problems to the already divided democratic party.
What is your goal? Is it to give Billary the nomination even though you and everyone know that she signed and approved both Michigan and Florida shouldn't be counted?

I guess you will continue to BS until she is the nominee.

Just think about everything happened during this primary season and ask yourself:
What did Obama do to upset Billary supporters?
Why is this much hatred against him?
Did Obama make the rules?
Did he force Billary to agree on MI and FL issues earlier?
How is it fair to even mention that Billary won MI?
Why is she a victim of gender knowing that more than %56 percent of the democratic voters were in fact women?(many of whom supported Obama )
Why is it that only the states she wins are important?
Do you really think Billary will win Florida knowing Christ is the governor? (I don't)
Do you still think the election results will be similar to the previous two?
What about the possibilities that Obama will win many old days Republican states? (Georgia, Alabama, Virginia, etc)

And finally, you claim that she was treated unfairly but your majority says she attacked Obama unfairly on the polls but then you voted for her (See Kentucky and W. Virginia polls!). What a contradiction? Do you really know what you want or what is best for the democratic party/this country?

I don't believe so, since more than half of you would support the Republican values then your own (your Clinton desire, just like hers, made you deaf and blind). I forgot maybe you don't have any!

See the reality, be fair and honest.
Good luck with your decision "whatever she may be"

Tommy   May 22nd, 2008 5:14 pm ET

She is shamelessly desperate! Pitiful really!

Mike   May 22nd, 2008 5:14 pm ET

McAuliffe created this mess and now Hillary needs this to be undone to rob the nomination. She has a problem with it now because she is losing if she was winning she would not care if they were seated. The person we need to fix this country is OBAMA. Her is the only candidate left that is not in corporate americas pocket other than Nader. This country needs a fresh start. OBAMA '08 '12

kentucky   May 22nd, 2008 5:14 pm ET

Florida and Michigan should get a revote. Their so called leaders who pushed up their primaries should be out of office. Wonder why Obama took his name off the ballot in Michigan? Did he know he wouldn't win? If Clinton gets robbed of the nomination I'm voting for McCain.

Liz in SD   May 22nd, 2008 5:14 pm ET

Tell me SD's — how does allowing Clinton to de-legitimize Senator Obama's nomination help the Dems in Nov??? You people are clearly not leaders. You're allowing the Clinton's to hold our party hostage. We will not forget.

Mary   May 22nd, 2008 5:14 pm ET

Darryl, you are ridiculous. Governor Patterson has been one of her biggest supporters. I bet you are one of those people who complains that people call you racist for not supporting Obama. But look at you… anyone that doesn't support the scheming and manipulationg by Clinton must be pigeon holed into some demeaning characterization.

Real Change   May 22nd, 2008 5:14 pm ET

What's so desperate…makes since to me.

1) Count Florida and Michigan (even though you yourself said they shouldn't count, and there was no campaign there, and Barack was not even on the ballot in one of them)
2) Through out Maine, Nevada, Iowa and Washington (even though they did play by the rules)
3) Count Puerto Rico (even though they can't vote in the general)
4) Then completely arbitrarily use "popular vote" instead of delegate count to determine the winner.

Uh…I dunno, I guess so. Makes since to me.

Mookie   May 22nd, 2008 5:15 pm ET

I find myself immediately changing the channel whenever Clinton or her cronies spout the inevitable "I/she received more votes than any other candidate" drivel. I guess we know where the adage "rules were meant to be broken" comes from!

Jim   May 22nd, 2008 5:15 pm ET

Ann, keep on telling your self Hilary is smarter, more experienced
and ready to govern from day one. Eventually, if you say it long enough,
you will believe it; and at the end, it does not mean a thing. The people have spoken, and they just do not want a liar in the White house.

TG   May 22nd, 2008 5:15 pm ET

I guess Hillary Clinton is desperate enough to get the Florida and Michigan votes counted, since she needs every chance she can get…so ok, we should seat both delegations: Florida by Hillary & Obama's share, and Michigan by dividing up the delegates evenly, since Obama's name wasn't on the ballot. If the two states had abided by party rules in the first place we wouldn't have this problem but that's a moot point now.

Even if you did it that way Obama would still be ahead…so I don't know how reinventing the math or saying 'I'm more electable' would help her at all

Interesting to note that Patterson seems to be changing his mind about Hillary since he said he thought she was the best candidate even as he says he supports her! I guess the superdelegates will get knocked off the fence come June 3 so we can end this thing. It's gone on too long enough! That being said, we'll probably go all the way to the convention on this one…

Louis   May 22nd, 2008 5:15 pm ET

I can see another party-switcher like Bill Richardson.

Good to know, because when Hillary secures any sort of political nomination. These people can be counted 'OUT'.

Rob K   May 22nd, 2008 5:15 pm ET

Governor Paterson's last comment is most telling to me. Sen. Clinton AGREED to the rules that the DNC is using now, AGREED to sanction FL and MI, and AGREED to the delegate portioning plan at the beginning of the process. Every candidate signed off on it. Every candidate said "This is our primary, and these are the rules we will follow." Trying to slam these rules now with fiery rhetoric is simply absurd.

Nobody cheated you, Senator Clinton…except maybe your own, inept campaign strategists and fundraisers. You had a good campaign, and by all means, make history by finishing off these primaries. But, you're going to lose. It's o.k. Sometimes you put in the best fight that you can, but you just don't get enough to win.

I've respected your service, and your husband's service, for many years. I look forward to your support for Sen. Obama once he reaches the requisite number of delegates. I also hope to hear many more fiery speeches with the theme "We are Democrats". I look forward to you uniting the party for the nominee when the nominee ISN'T you in the same way YOU would expect the 2nd place finisher to unite the party for YOU.

Mike   May 22nd, 2008 5:15 pm ET

Hillary needs to step down before she hurts the party even more. Even IF somehow she gets to have Florida and Michigan to count (which she won't) how many Obama/democracy supports will go vote for McCain or no one at all if she snakes her way to a nomination? I for one will be absolutely livid if she snakes her way in there somehow and refuse to give her my vote…

Less, Austin Tx   May 22nd, 2008 5:15 pm ET

Just starting to see the desperation? I've seen that look on her face for months now.

Hillary is a spoiled brat. Oh yeah she cares about the American people, causing chaos among the Democratic party.

She has obivously lost the meaning of what "Standing Up For the American People" is all about. She's all about, "I…", and "Me…" (meaning herself), and not "we".

This was her first verbal expression that I quickly caught, and because of this obvious verbal expression from the beginning, being about "herself", was why I chose to support Obama, who has obiviously been for "We" from the very beginning.

Someone needs to put Hillary in "Time-Out" so she can have some time to think about what she is doing. Shameful!!

Jack   May 22nd, 2008 5:15 pm ET

As a moderate Hillary supporter, even I was really surprised to see her statement in Florida.

I think the game is over and Obama is our nominee. Obama is not that bad anyway. I am happy for him as well.

Mike   May 22nd, 2008 5:15 pm ET

McAuliffe created this mess and now Hillary needs this to be undone to rob the nomination. She has a problem with it now because she is losing if she was winning she would not care if they were seated. The person we need to fix this country is OBAMA. He is the only candidate left that is not in corporate americas pocket other than Nader. This country needs a fresh start. OBAMA '08 '12

James Nelson   May 22nd, 2008 5:16 pm ET

Ann– "she expects to get what is rightfully hers…"

Sad news…It's a democracy, Ann. Not a hereditary monarchy. Nothing is "rightfully" hers unless the voters say so and they have thus far indicated that she is not their chosen representative.

Given the tremendous name recognition, the sizable war chest and all the endorsements from Party bigwigs, she should've been a shoo-in. But she mismanaged her campaign, made strategic error after strategic error and now is running 30 some-odd million bucks in the red. She blew it. All on her own, her own responsibility. She just blew it.

We've already suffered enough under leaders able to turn success into disaster, we don't need her to continue the trend.

Steve   May 22nd, 2008 5:16 pm ET

I love all the comments like Deb's above where an agreed upon election process took place and didn't go Hillary's way, so Obama is a "thug." You over-the-Hillarys are acting like your candidate.

sweetC   May 22nd, 2008 5:16 pm ET

Hillary now thinks she can pressure Obama into making her his running mate by playing her last card, 1rst race, 2nd feminist last and 3rd., sympathy!!!! If he is smart he will emphatically reject the notion.

James   May 22nd, 2008 5:16 pm ET

The DNC changed the rules not Hillary nor Florida and Michigan and the rules they changed just happen to be our consitutional right that garanties all Americans right to vote and have their votes counted entirely!
So when are you Obamawama people going to stop following him blindly and open yours to what's happening in our country with this DNC dictatorship? Probably after he loses!

Nita   May 22nd, 2008 5:16 pm ET

she is up to something and it ain't good, that's for sure…

A Latte Lover, Seattle, WA   May 22nd, 2008 5:16 pm ET

Glad to hear that at least one Clinton supporter is honest about what is going on. The others seem very delusional and ICKES is at the top of that list. If Queen Hillary does somehow manage to pull this off, I will be staying home. I'm not a loyal Dem, who will just fall in line behind Billary and vote for her. Obama has won in every category. If this is now taken from him, I bet there will be quite a backlash.

Linned   May 22nd, 2008 5:16 pm ET

As my grandma used to say tell the truth and shame the devil,

Former Hillary supporter   May 22nd, 2008 5:16 pm ET

Hillary, I no longer have respect for you, every day goes by and you still there, it shows me how selfish you are, if you cared why did not you spoke about from the beginning, this is just a typical old politics.

Randy - Denver   May 22nd, 2008 5:17 pm ET

“I have heard some say counting Florida and Michigan would be changing the rules,” she said at a rally in Boca Raton. “I say not that not counting Florida and Michigan is changing a central governing rule of this country, that whenever we can understand the clear intent of the voters, their vote should be counted.”

For those of you who have missed civics instrution while attending school please allow me to point out the comment above is a LIE!

We are NOT a Democracy where every vote counts we are a Representative Republic. basically what this means is that while in a Democracy the majority rules (see mobs) in a Republic a few are Selected to represent the will of the Majority when they feel it is correct and proper and ot refute the will when they feel the majority is wrong. THAT is what a representative of the people is supposed to do. THAT is what a President is supposed to do!

how can you run for POTUS when oyu have no idea of the basic principles of our country?

Let me but it easier for those of you who STILL do not get it. Our Representatives can ASK for your input but it is NOT required that they follow it.

A final comment about this LIE the SELECTION process for a PARTY is NOT covered in the Constitution and you have NO RIGHT to have a say in who is selected by the party exxcept for the rights the party grants you. they could draw a name from a hat and it would be just as legal and binding as the selection process we are forced to suffer thorugh every 3 years (I know you would think 4 years but they go on SOOO LONG!)

Michael   May 22nd, 2008 5:17 pm ET

The Obama people seem more concerned about taking the nomination from Hillary than they are about Obama winning in November which makes me question the agenda of those writing on this blog and those who are voting for Obama. Hillary is consistently shown in poll after poll to beat McCain in the swing states democrats must win in November, yet, these Obama people still hate her. I find that suspicious.

The Oracle   May 22nd, 2008 5:17 pm ET

I've noticed after talking to some people in FL., and MI, that most of them understand it was teir senate and not Obama that messed them up. They also know that Clinton didn't care until she needed them. And thats from some that support her. I also hear Obama would have won Mich.

Trollmaster   May 22nd, 2008 5:17 pm ET

If Hillary truly cared about MI and FL, she would have demanded they change the rules BEFORE the election, not now when she's losing.

Terry   May 22nd, 2008 5:17 pm ET

Hillary you are the best but the media and government doesn't want you. So they are force feeding us Obama.
I will write Hillary on my vote in November just like alot of people will. Obama will no way win in November.
Most of all Hillary supporters will write her name in or vote Mc Cain.
The End

Chris, Silicon Valley, CA, USA   May 22nd, 2008 5:17 pm ET

The party of illegal immigration & amnesty.
Since when do Dems care about rules?

lugina   May 22nd, 2008 5:17 pm ET

HILLARY I LOVE YOU..!!!!

HILLARY 08!!!

M.C.   May 22nd, 2008 5:17 pm ET

Hillary is fighting for the voters of Florida who were FORCED to move up their election, because of the dictation of the Republican controlled state legislature in Florida. People, check this yourselves. New polls today: Hillary will easily beat McCain in Ohio and Florida-Obama would not. Please don't think that Obama has Virginia or North Carolina in play. He can win no states that Hillary can't also win. Superdelegates: Do you really want a Democrat in the White House? HILLARY 08

Montana is Obama Country   May 22nd, 2008 5:18 pm ET

Hillary is willing to disenfranchise ALL othre VOTES across Amreica for her own giddy -knee-slapping -over-zealous -self righteous quest to be the president.

I believe to be a good president a person needs to show some "humility" and "strength"..

Well she sure is humiliting those who have been supporters.. She needs to take the high road and leave after the last primary in June.

Jill   May 22nd, 2008 5:18 pm ET

Don't any of her political supporters (including the gov.) have enough sway to tell her that she is making a fool of herself? Every day it's worse…she's starting to look scary. Someone, please lead her away to a quiet secluded place for a few months.

rudy   May 22nd, 2008 5:18 pm ET

see, even a blind man can see that hillary is desperate. when will she give up??

Sarah   May 22nd, 2008 5:18 pm ET

Good bye Hillary, go away, dishonest woman. OBAMA 08′

Pam   May 22nd, 2008 5:18 pm ET

Wow, a Hillary supporter showing reason. How refreshing.

Concerned   May 22nd, 2008 5:18 pm ET

As DNC chairman, McAuliffe wrote about threatening to strip Michigan of 50% of its delegates if it moved up its date. Bill Clinton has also called a 50% penalty “appropriate.”

Ickes sits on the committee and last year voted to strip Florida of its delegates.

deroy   May 22nd, 2008 5:19 pm ET

is this a 48 state union or as oabma says '57 with one to go'.

this will have to be settled by a judge.

Jeff   May 22nd, 2008 5:19 pm ET

We often hear the expression that "there is time for everything," a time to win and a time to lose and it appears that her time has come to lose this nomination based on the delegate count. This is the only metric that counts in this election and Obama has a commanding lead and so as a leader of integrity, she should gracefully accept it and help the party come together. This is what we expect of good leaders.

Kay-Arizona   May 22nd, 2008 5:19 pm ET

Situations change. but the bottom line is, why should not ALL democrats be able to pick who they support as the Democratic candidate for President? We let Republicans and independents in some states voice their opinion, why not DEMOCRATS in all the states. The phoney "punishment" because they held their primary to early. Who cares? The DNC and party bosses are the only ones because it allowed them to munipulate the dates.

Were it me, and I was not allowed to voice my opinion I would be outraged as should all Democrats who care.

s.b.   May 22nd, 2008 5:19 pm ET

She's still the best candidate with the best chance of winning.

Polls of swing states and the electoral college vote clearly show that. Dems either want to win the white house or they don't.

rich   May 22nd, 2008 5:19 pm ET

Hillary is trying to get paid. She is 20 mil in the whole and counting. She will drop out when she breaks even I guess. As far as she is concerned to hell with he democratic party and winning the white house in November. She has got to recoup her money.

Trollmaster   May 22nd, 2008 5:19 pm ET

Hillary would have been the nomineee a long time ago if she did the right thing and voted NO on the Iraq war. She only has herself to blame.

Democrats don't need another flip floping "I was for it before I was against it" John Kerry like canidate. They rightuflly chose someone that was smart enough to against the war from the start.

bruce   May 22nd, 2008 5:19 pm ET

I think that Senator Clinton has every right to pursue any avenue. If you add it up she has been winning since the Wisconsin primary. A lot was learned about Obama after that time and he is probably weaker than her now. What right does anyone say she cannot pursue what she believes in? She has a better perspective on world problems and she should fight on. I think that it should go to the convention. She is going to win Puerto Rico and maybe more. The Florida and Michigan vote are not included now but an authorized settlemnent could be made. The Democratic Party can do what it wants and it is nobodies business but the party. This is not a colllege sporting event. This is our lives.

Chris In California   May 22nd, 2008 5:19 pm ET

Hillary Clinton is not desperate. The American people are desperate. We are desperate for REAL change that only an EXPERIENCED leader like Hillary Clinton can give us. This country is in a mess and we need someone who is not going to just be learning the ropes when he steps into the Oval Office. We need a President who can get straight to work because she knows what needs to be done to get this country back on the right track from the first day she is in the White House.

Moreover, as a lifelong Democrat, I will not so easily hand over my country to a person who thinks it is all right to exclude the voters of two states in this union to manipulate things so that he can steal an election. The ONLY way I would consider voting for Barack Obama is if the votes of the voters of Michigan and Florida are properly counted and the delegates seated at the convention in the numbers decided BY THE PEOPLE - THE CITIZEN-VOTERS OF THIS COUNTRY who voted in good faith in a Presidential election. It makes no difference to me what Howard Dean or the DNC says. The votes of The People should not be tampered with. Moreover, if I see my November ballot and Hillary Clinton's name is not on it, I will either WRITE-IN her name in the WRITE-IN section of the ballot or I will vote Republican.

Wherever Hillary Clinton's name is, so goes my vote!

I would also like to express that I am so dismayed with the way Hillary Clinton has been treated in this election. I thought misogyny was long dead, but it is not. It is a thriving entity and men in the media are getting away with it as are some politicians - even Democrats. It is the FIRST TIME as a lifelong Democrat that I have ever thought about leaving the Democratic Party. I just think what has happened has been unacceptable.

MonaP   May 22nd, 2008 5:19 pm ET

She is desperate all right - desperate to save the Democratic Party from itself with the sure loser it is trying to nominate. Hey folks there are 50 states despite what BO thinks - and each state deserves to have it's votes counted - if that is desperate - then so be it!

Look at the Electoral College - BO doesn't stand a chance - Clinton is the true winner there. The whole caucus thing was a desperate move by the left-wing of the Democratic party to have their puppet nominated.

As a middle-of-the-road life long Democrat I am appalled. I'm voting McCain if Clinton doesn't get the nod - voting for the left wing is as bad as voting for the Republican right!

Big Rod   May 22nd, 2008 5:19 pm ET

The super delegates are between a rock and a hard place. they are compelled to go with Obama and lose the general election. Snub Florida and Michigan VOTERS and lose the general election. Snub 17 million Hillary supporters and lose the general election. Go ahead, all of you Obama supporters, beat your chest, herald your too far left leaning candidate as the presumptive nominee. Obama took this nomination by winning all of the wrong states, by getting votes from independants and republicans who crossed into the dem's primary to vote against Hillary in those republican states. Argue to me she did not win in the democratic States' primaries and all the crucial swing state primaries. Argue to me she has not already won more Registered DEMOCRATS' votes. Hillary should be the Democratic nominee for President. THAT is why she's not backing off or backing down. Look at an ELECTORAL MAP before its too late. THAT is why she's not backing off or backing down.

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