(CNN) – New York Gov. David Paterson, a supporter of Hillary Clinton's White House bid, said Friday the New York senator is showing signs of "desperation" in her continued push to get the full delegations of Michigan and Florida seated.
"I would say at this point we're starting to see a little desperation on the part of the woman who I support and I'll support until whatever time she makes a different determination," Paterson told New York radio station WAMC, according to the New York Daily News. "I thought she was the best candidate and I thought she had the best chance of winning."
The comments come a day after Clinton delivered a fiery speech in Florida demanding that that state's delegation, as well as Michigan's, be fully seated at the party's convention in August. The party stripped both states of their delegations last year after the state legislatures there voted to hold their primaries before February 5.
Clinton won both states' primaries, though Barack Obama removed his name from the ballot in Michigan. Clinton uses popular vote totals from both Florida in Michigan in her claim that she is beating the Illinois senator in the overall popular vote.
“I have heard some say counting Florida and Michigan would be changing the rules,” she said at a rally in Boca Raton. “I say not that not counting Florida and Michigan is changing a central governing rule of this country, that whenever we can understand the clear intent of the voters, their vote should be counted.”
Paterson, a Democratic superdelegate, said he disagreed with the party's initial decision to penalize the states, but added he thought the party should now "leave it where it is."
He also noted none of the presidential candidates - including Hillary Clinton - objected to the penalty when it was imposed last year.
As Peter Gabriel sang, "Here comes the flood!"
What a sexist pig - that, of course, is how the HilBilly Demagogues are going to view - after, he is anohter BLACK MAN who is unwilling to stand behind her without admitting the truth, or better yet (from their perspective) lie for her. How soon will Carville be calling him a Judas? How soon before Billyboy attacks him for disrespecting her? How soon before Ferraro is back on TV whining about even more sexism.
Except by cheating, or stealing the nomination by using the HilBilly political clout to change the rules after the election to way that they favor HilBilly, and to now totally ignore a total breach of teh Party Rules, she has no chance of getting the nomination. Obama supporters are much more likely to support Hilbilly if she wins the nomination. But if she steals it - then McCain in 08 and 12.
Hillary supporters seem to think they are getting away with regurgitating her lies.
She does not have the majority of the popular vote, or what really matters, the pledged delegates. That is what matters. She said so a few months back.
It is 2026, not that new number she made up. She can't just change the rules to suit her needs.
This is why Obama supporters are so annoyed. She makes up this garbage and her supporters just accept it as rule. Wake up, and think about what you would be saying if Obama was changing the rules, and Hillary led in popular vote, pledged delegates and super delegates.
what would you be saying?
Hillary is playing a dangerous game ... from trying to cheat by asking full delegations of Michigan and Florida to be given to her on a silver platter, she is now becoming a rabble-rouser by asking supporters to march to the convention in protest. There can be violence in the streets !
Are her supporters mindless members of a cult who will follow her to the abyss ?
Superdelegates, vote now and end this, she is just getting warmed up to use her supporters for her own desperate ambition.
One of the big mistakes the media, the pundits, and the "experts" are making is to base predictions for the results of the general election based upon history. The country is going through a great deal of change right now, which is one of the reasons an unknown Senator from Illinois has kicked the Clintons around the country and is now in the lead (no matter what Hillary's math says). People are sick and tired of the old ways. Things are going to change all over the place....and the pundits and experts are going to be scratching their heads, trying to figure out ways they can say "I told you so" when they actually missed the boat completely. Obama is going to kick butt.
Don't bet your paycheck on what has happened historically. This general election, I guarantee you, is going to have outcomes that will redraw the red and the blue states. Hillary won some swing states. if she isn't in the election, watch for Obama to pick up those states. Republicans have been losing elections that have been on their home turf in the past weeks. Watch for Obama to pick up Republican areas (white, well-educated, afluent people who are sick to death of Republican shenanigans).
To say she won in Mich is fair. Her name was on the ballot as were some others and also "Other". If you did not want Hillary then you voted "Other" (which could have meant Obama or Edwards). If you wanted to vote for Hillary, you voted for her. Even if Obama got all the "Other" votes, even giving him those that may have voted for Edwards, he would have still lost. Why is noone mentioning this?? None of them campaigned there OR Florida? Do we want to win in November or don't we?!
After agreeing to the DNC rules punishing MI and FL for changing their primaries, to continue to pump those states voters with more hope that their votes will count serves no purpose but her own. To act as their facilitator is completely deceiving. Since she isn't going to win the nomination, she is just continuing to destroy the party and make Obama appear even more unelectable to the uninformed voters who refuse to check the facts against their self imposed bigotry. She has no future as a presidential candidate ever. The people will remember her divisiveness. She's over and has no one to blame but herself.
Senator Clinton is for confrontation and tearing down either with tears in her eyes or the contrived resolve of heart. I can not fathom her true intentions and that is her best credential not showing who she is or where stands. But she is flexible, intelligent and for the average American. You either have or can't afford not to have her. Senator Clinton is not what America needs.
Senator Clinton professes to take a high moral ground in the name of the voters. She has neither. She is the next Lieberman.
Desperate is not the word for her actions. She goes beyond desperate measures, at all costs to include damaging the Democratic party. Sad but true.
Why are people still saying Obama is against counting votes? He has never said that. Where is this new lie coming from?
DESPERATION AND IRRATIONAL is Sen. Clinton's middle name, you all didn't know that?
Now the kicker here is Billy Boy NOW stating she should be VP. What is WRONG with this entire family.
One minute she's claiming she DOES NOT want the VP slot and Bill himself stated she "deserves" the VP slot. I'm sorry, who made Billy-Bob the BOSS here? Last time I check he has NO say in who Sen. Obama picks as his VP.
Geeeeez, this whole argument about her winning "states", she's the most" electable, she's most "qualified". Give me a BREAK.
IF this was TRUE, she would be in the LEAD if this were the case.
I think Hillary Clinton is trying to "bully" her way into the VP. She's trying to FORCE Sen. Obama in making her his VP AND I think Sen. Obama and his supporters is NOT buying her "wolf" tickets.
Hillary Clinton does NOT have any power at this point!!
A victory in Oregon, yes, but a 35-point thrashing in Kentucky on Tuesday for presumptive Democratic nominee Barack Obama. Although both states are populated predominantly by white voters, together they prove white comes in many different shades.
Millions of women and blue collars will vote for McCain in November. Obama promised us unity, and instead he gave us a civil war. It's not about the issues anymore – it's personal. Welcome to identity politics.
Sick of the lies. All of them. If one more person says Obama is a Muslim, or Wright's right hand man, anti-Israel, pro-terrorists I will puke. I'm just so tired of it. Clinton does not have a broader coalition, most of her supporter is from older white women and blue collar voters, not to mention from early on her unfavorable rating was around 50%. When half the country didn't like shortly after you started running you cannot build the largest coalition of people.
If you want, dislike Obama. Disagree with his policies, but don't lie. He has the popular vote even if you count FL and MI if you include caucuses. He's not an Arab, a Muslim, a terrorist supporter, etc. His coalition IS larger as shown by his much larger number of donors, the size of his rallies and the variety that you see at them.
Like I said you don't have to like him or vote for him, but at least educate yourselves before you decide. Don't become steeled against him because of lies.
The media and the other people spreading the lies disgust me. You are on the same level as Rudy Boschwitz's Jewish letter against Wellstone. HOpefully it backfires equally badly.
Your candidate agreed to rules!! The only reason why she wants to break them is because she behind. If she wasn't behind at all, then she wouldn't care.
You guys you blindly support her need to wake up. Its over. She can't even manage her own campaign.
A new set of rules is being created. The old perceptions of red and blue are going out the window. People want change. They don't wan the old guard from either party. The old guard, Democratic and Republican alike, have gotten us into a horrible situation in this country. The are going to get tossed out across the board. Hillary and McCain are both old guard. They'd better fire up their resumes.
Question for all of the "Clintonistas" out there: Have you ever heard Obama say that "I'm more electable" than Hillary? Pretty arrogant statement huh; what chances do you think she'll have if she steals the nomination?
I will gladly vote for McCain in November. And yes, I know it will be Bush's third term. And yes, I know he will appoint judges that will try to overturn Roe vs. Wade. Well, I don't care. Since young women supported Obama, they shouldn't mind going to Canada for their abortions. In the end, emotion always beats logic. Never forget that hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.
Obama and Clinton want all the Michigan and Florida Delegates seated, the question is how will they be apportioned? Wouldn’t just using the actual votes be fair?
Florida voted 50% for Hillary, 33% for Obama and 13% for Edwards with 211 delegates.
Michigan voted 55% for Hillary, 40% Uncommited and 4% for Kucinich with 157 delegates.
If you allocate delegates based on the actual voting percentages, Hillary gets 192. Give the uncommitted and Florida’s 33% to Obama and he gets 133, Edwards gets 27 and Kucinich gets 6. .
Gee whiz, that gives Obama 2098 pledged and Superdelegates so its Game Over. without counting the additional delegates he picks up in Puerto Rico, Montana and South Dakota.
That’s why Harold Ickes, Hilton’s Top Aide, is telling the DNC that Obama can not be awarded the uncommitted votes in Michigan. That would drop Obama’s delegate count to 2035. Obama is certain to win more than enough pledge delegates in the remaining primaries and odds are he will get more Superdelegates.
That’s why Hillary is now talking swing states, white voters and her supporters not voting for Obama in November.
How can anyone take her popular vote argument seriously when Obama's name was not on the ballot and 240,000 people voted for "Other". If she was truly magnanimous, she would apply those votes to Obama keeping him in the popular vote lead.
Wait...who am I kidding...Hillary be magnanimous???
She was for the rules when she thought she would win this in a walk and now she is against the rule change she supported. Sounds like John Kerry's "I voted for the war before I voted against it"
You cannot expect Hillary to bow out gracefully. There is not a graceful bone in her body – its not in her nature. Her nature is to lie (Bosnia sniper fire), cheat (signing pledge regarding Fla/Mich, then comparing it to abolitionists and suffragists movements), steal (erroneous popular vote claims), complain (caucus states, moveon.org, sexism), dishonesty/misrepresent (gas tax), speak irresponsibly (obliterate Iran) and tear down (Obama and the party itself) in order to advance her OWN personal agenda. Good Democrats are just standing by and watching it happen. Obama is up over Clinton by double digits in every major poll (Gallup, Rasmussen, Zogby, etc.). He is the clear preference of Democrats, and if they had revotes in some of the primaries she won, especially California, she would loose by a large margin. More democrat leaders need to step forward and in one unified voice shut this primary season down so that we can move forward. Some feelings will get hurt, but this thing has to end
The point is these are the same delegates that Hillary didn't think mattered when she agreed with the decision of the DNC not to seat the delegates from Florida and Michigan. Suddenly, the rights of the delegates is so important to our queen that she will fight to the end for them.... How nice of HCR. Hell with rules, we should just coronate her not a nominee, but a president immediatly. We should just go with the gut feeling of the Clintonians; she is the best candidate don't you get it? Why do we even need all the headache of selecting a nominee through a democratic process to which all the prez hopefuls agreed, when we have our God-given feelings!
Ok everyone, here are the facts....the caucus states were strong-armed by the Obama campaign, plain and simple. Texas-two-step, time and location of caucuses and intimidation. People were pressured, locked out of locations, and bussed into locations. This is the NEW POLITICS you are all speaking of. How dare you call Hillary a bully when this was the MO of the Obvmam campaign from DAY ONE. I do not call that "taking the high road" or "inclusive". You Obama supporters are so enamoured by smooth talking that you feel justified in the dispicable tactics you have used. Additionally, I am under the impression that the agreement signed by the candidates was limited to the fact that they would not campaign there. After signatures were secured, the DNC instituted the penalty. I do not believe that anyone thought ALL the delegates would be stripped, nor do I think anyone, at anytime said the votes THE VOTES would not count. Now when you have been bullied, bamboozled, and hoodwinked, it is only common sense to level out the playing field. She is not doing anything that any PRESIDENT of our country should not do. She is fighting for all the people....if you want the caucus states to count, I suggest you get mediation in there to overlook the thug tactics that were used. Obama is used to intimidating and legal manuvering and verifying each and every signature. Check your candidate out! See how he won the Illinois and US seats! To say that Hillary and HER SUPPORTERS do not have the right to take this to the rules committee and the convention is plain 3rd world politics. Now get off your high horses and do some research. By the way, I do not care what color/religion/sex Obama is. I DO CARE that we, the American People, handle elections in a democratic manner. To be honest, I originally supported Obama. However, that changed after I saw how the MSM and the Obama campaign was railroading Hillary's campaign. I hope my spelling and grammar meets your standards...after all, I am undereducated, white, and make less than 200K annually. Nonetheless, I am an American citizen, and I do want my vote to count!
Desperate people do desperate things. Counting the votes of people in Florida and Michigan really is a sign of desperation. Obama and Clinton both agreed to disenfranchise Florida and Michigan voters to punish them for wanting to vote too early. Disenfranchisement of voters is THE RULE in the Democratic Party primaries and both Obama and Clinton should live by their agreement. If they break their agreement to disenfranchise voters, what other rules and agreements would they break?
Obama – McKinney 08