(CNN) – New York Gov. David Paterson, a supporter of Hillary Clinton's White House bid, said Friday the New York senator is showing signs of "desperation" in her continued push to get the full delegations of Michigan and Florida seated.
"I would say at this point we're starting to see a little desperation on the part of the woman who I support and I'll support until whatever time she makes a different determination," Paterson told New York radio station WAMC, according to the New York Daily News. "I thought she was the best candidate and I thought she had the best chance of winning."
The comments come a day after Clinton delivered a fiery speech in Florida demanding that that state's delegation, as well as Michigan's, be fully seated at the party's convention in August. The party stripped both states of their delegations last year after the state legislatures there voted to hold their primaries before February 5.
Clinton won both states' primaries, though Barack Obama removed his name from the ballot in Michigan. Clinton uses popular vote totals from both Florida in Michigan in her claim that she is beating the Illinois senator in the overall popular vote.
“I have heard some say counting Florida and Michigan would be changing the rules,” she said at a rally in Boca Raton. “I say not that not counting Florida and Michigan is changing a central governing rule of this country, that whenever we can understand the clear intent of the voters, their vote should be counted.”
Paterson, a Democratic superdelegate, said he disagreed with the party's initial decision to penalize the states, but added he thought the party should now "leave it where it is."
He also noted none of the presidential candidates - including Hillary Clinton - objected to the penalty when it was imposed last year.
Not only is Hillary making a fool of heself but it has come to the point where those who still support her are making fools of themselves as well.
Just look at some of the comments from her supporters. Only she can win a GE even though current polls regarding a GE are useless. She is the most experienced, at what?. Michigan and Florida should count even though Hillary agreed they should not until she fell behind in this race. She damaged the Dem Party by playing the white vote card and continues to damage the party claiming she leads in the popular vote when she does not. Imagine Gore refusing to concede and stating the rules should change in the middle of the game to have the popular vote elect him as the President after losing the electoral college to Bush. Gore was more principled and had more integrity and concern for his own reputation with the Amercian people.
Yes, Hillary is sounding like a fool. Just as her supporters are on this blog. No sense arguing with them. One can't argue with fools.
There are two points which I think are determinative about Florida and Michigan.
First, the way these primaries were scheduled was beyond the control of the Democratic Party membership in the respective states. Given that, and given that public money, taxpayer's money, was spent to conduct these primaries, penalizing the voters who cast ballots in these states is simply wrong. None of the candidates campaigned in these two states so it isn't a matter that one candidate got an unfair advantage by campaigning where the other didn't. While it is true that Obama didn't put his name on the ballot in Michigan, he did apparently urge people who supported him to vote for uncommitted or undecided. I think, given that information, the vote is an accurate representation of the wishes of the voters. As well, if I recall correctly, Hillary Clinton was willing to help with a second vote but Obama's camp wouldn't co-operate.
Second, I doubt that a male candidate who had the number of supporters and the number of delegates that Hillary Clinton has would have the same pressure to 'quit' that people are putting on her. Certainly in the past contests have gone to the convention with a bigger disparity in votes than is extant in this year's contest. Why Hillary? Don't people believe in the American system of choosing nominees for president? Aren't these matters decided at the convention when one candidate gets actual votes over 50%? How can Americans go to the rest of the world and preach democracy if in the practice of democracy at home the contests are manipulated by pundits and backroom political games?
Hillary is making a fool of herself. I don't even want her as VP, now. She is an insult to feminists and the democratic party. She is acting like a spoiled brat.
It sounds like Patterson's initial support for Hillary was based on his perception that "I thought she was the best candidate and I thought she had the best chance of winning." Now that it is obvious that she has no chance of winning, perhaps Patterson should use the present tense and say "I think he is the best candidate and I think he has the best chance of winning..." Just hope and pray that Billary is not selected for the co-VP spot – America does not need TWO VPs.
the desperate ones are howard dean and the dnc. they know obama can't win the general. once all the hillary loyalist (over 17 million) of us leave the democratic party, and register independent, it will be 4 more years of the republicans. superdelegates if you want to win the whitehouse back vote hillary, obama can't beat mccain, he can't even beat hillary!
Yet another intelligent, sensible Super Delegate, who has come to recognize "the real" Hillary Clinton. I would urge him to take it a step further, and officially back Senator Obama. Barrack Obama has continually conducted himself as Presidential, while she clealry has not. I thought Saturday night live was a bit harsh a couple weeks ago, depicting Hillary as a "sore looser", but wow- they hit the nail on the head. DNC, make us proud. Be strong. Stick to your guns. Don't let Florida officials steal this election like in 2000.
GO HOME CLINTON....WHO WANTS A LIAR
Hillary is nowhere near as desperate as Barrack Obama–he must be having a stroke about now–knowing that she could beat McCain and he could not–love it–Go Hill!
Thank God! Someone else who has no problem stating the FACTS/TRUTH that Hillary signed on the dotted line like everyone else to "disenfranchise" (her words now) the voters of these two states. Actually, the penalty was imposed by the DNC not Clinton or Obama. It is the fact that Hillary has manipulated this sitatuion into a negative and unfair blame against Obama in the eyes of voters in both MI/FL and a talking point for her in this "any road will do the the White House" mentality that is running her insane.
I agree the delegates should be seated and that they need to castrate all of their elected officials that brought about this disaster. What I can't abide by is Sen. Clinton using the emotions of these voters whom a disservice was done too and make it appear as if Sen. Obama was the man behaind the means.
Clinton's pious, self-serving efforts to "count all the votes" is alarmingly hypocritical. She was fine with these rules when she didn't think they had any impact on her candidacy. Now she wants to change the rules in the ninth inning because she is behind. She never apologizes or even recognizes the fact that she once agreed with these rules. She never mentions that many Florida democrats probably didn't vote because they felt it wouldn't matter. She ignores the fact that Obama didn't campaign in Florida, which would surely have changed the vote count. In Michigan, Obama's name wasn't even on the ballot, and she seems to think it is OK to give him no votes in Michigan. And where is the media in all of this? Why don't they press her hard on her 'change the rules until the score comes out in your favor' approach? I once had a vague unease about her, but couldn't pin it down. Now I know what she is ... a self-serving hypocrite who cares too little about the truth or the damage she is doing to the chances of the democrats this Fall. She has transformed my vague unease to a powerful dislike and lack of trust.
It was positive to see someone so close and supportive of the Clinton campaign speak honestly about the realities of the primary process. Yes, Florida and Michigan knew the rules.
Yes, Florida and Michigan voted to go against the rules.
Yes, Florida and Michigan were penalized by both the DNC & RNC
Yes, All the presidential candidates knew of the penalty
Yes, Senators Clinton & Obama both approved of the penalty
Yes, Senator Clinton did flip-flop on the issue when she began losing
No, Senator Obama is not suppressing anyone's right to vote.
If your a Clinton supporter, that is your right and she has been a strong senator. However, Senator Obama is going to be the nominee so your continued negative attacks serve no purpose. If you want to vote for Senator McCain, that is your right. Just don't use the excuse that your voting for Senator McCain to get even with Senator Obama for winning his party's nomination. That type of logic makes no sense and will continue to divide our nation.
Sen. Clinton has shown that if the rules do not benefit her then they should be changed. Pres. Bush has shown us time and again that rules need not be obeyed and look at the sorry state of this country. The world leaders no longer respect the U.S.
Sen. Clinton the U.S. does not need another president who can not respect the rules. You are a very scray person because you have shown that you will do, or say anything to get what YOU WANT. Ethics, fair play, and honesty are not in your personal make-up. Please do not think I am making these comments because of sexism or anything else that you have accused your non-supporters of practicing.
Deb May 22nd, 2008 4:55 pm ET: "I know that what I witnessed in our "Texas Two Step" was horrifying! What happened wasn't close to meeting election laws and it was not democratic! It is why I know that Obama and his thugs have stolen this Primary season."
I too had the "Texas Two Step" experience. The caucuses were a total sham, and the results from many could not even be certified. You have to know something is not right when one candidate wins the primary election and the other candidate wins the caucuses IN THE SAME STATE.
"Chris in California" - you're willing to turn the country over to a woman who AGREED TO EXCLUDE TWO STATES before she realized she needed them. What a HYPOCRITE!!!
Chris in California wrote the following:
"Moreover, as a lifelong Democrat, I will not so easily hand over my country to a person who thinks it is all right to exclude the voters of two states in this union to manipulate things so that he can steal an election."
With all due respect Chris, Senator Clinton by agreeing NOT to allow the votes in Florida and Michigan to count, is the (to quote you) "person who thinks it is all right to exclude the voters of two states in this union to manipulate things so that he can steal an election."
Of course, the same could be said for Senator Obama but please do not paint him as the bad guy since he was simply following the rules of his party (rules let me remind you that were written by Senator Clinton's greatest defender, Harold Ickes).
clinton is definitely NOT experiencing a little desperation. She is in a full blown, artery bustin' panic ! ! !
Are you too afraid to post this? There is NO reason to delete my posts! No reason at all except that you want censor the board!
The headline should read that the governor thought Hillary was the BEST CANDIDATE and had the BEST CHANCE OF WINNING.
Hillary please go on a long cruise until this is all over.
you people are stupid go back to the 3rd grade if yo u dont seet the fact you dont see it this is like a football team both agreeing on a penalty after the other team loses they go back and say the other penalty shudnt have counted because is not right and blah blah....and if you feminists if i can call you guys that wanna cote for maccain just do it and shut up...But i must warn you wte you faught for will all be undone but am sure you guys are ok with that so go vote for maccain and as for you guys trying to say is going to be bad news for our kids if hillary dont win, well i guess you might as well teach your kids how to cheat if something dont go they way.... Sooo sick of idiotic people just shut up and vote for maccain if u want
Getting desperate?!?!?............... it started with Iowa :-)
Go Obama & ABC anyone but clinton............
Well at least some of her supporters can be logical about all this. To count some votes and not others is what she is arguing about. She wants those who voted for to be franchised and those that didnt to be disinfranchised. I for one will never vote with her name on the ticket even as VP..
Hillery, You are only hollering because you are so far behind.in delegates. If you were ahead, you would not even consider MI & FL. You don't seem to care if we can see what you are doing. YOU ARE CAUSING THE DEMS WHO BACK YOU TO LOOK STUPID TOO – GOING TO WASINGTON, PROTESTING A RULE YOU AGREED UPON. YOU ARE SETTING A BAD EXAMPLE FOR OUR YOUNG PEOPLE. I HAVE A SON IN JAIL WHO COMMITED CRIMES BECAUSE OF DRUGS. IF YOU GET YOUR WAY – I THINK MY SON SHOULDN'T HAVE TO SERVE TIME FOR BREAKING THE RULES OF THE LAW. OR IS THAT DIFFERENT – BECAUSE IT DON'T EFFECT YOU?
Thank God at least some of her supporters are coming to accept honest priciples of running a presidential campaign.
Hillary IS desperate to the point that she is not only giving herself and the female populace a bad name and possibly ruining any and all chances of one being elected in the near future!
I would like to personally call for all of her supporters to be reasonable and at least reconsider your acceptance of her moral character in this race. If it was Obama making these outright demands so late in the game would you be accepting of this? They both have experienced negative comments about their beings Obama, he's black and Hillary is woman how would you feel if Obama or someone on his team had been making negative comments or hinting just enough to incite people against Hillary'being a woman in the race, then when all else seem to fail he uses race as a defense and reason for him losing the race. Oh! Hillary has done all that she knows to do to be considerate to Obama even to the point that people were calling her weak . Now after all of this his supporters demand that he be given the chance to win changing the rule of the party!
How would you feel. How do you open your mouth to say you are still in agreement with Hillary and dare to say she is the one that best to represents our nation's highest office and what you want for America? How can you say she is the example you want for yours and America's daughters????
WITH FRIENDS LIKE YOU, PATTERSON, WHO NEEDS ENEMIES.......
READ THE LATEST ???? HILLARY BEATS MCCAIN IN THE BIG SWING STATES OF OHIO, PENNSYLVANIA AND FLORIDA. BO LOSES TO MCCAIN IN OHIO AND FLORIDA AND ONLY SLIGHTLY BEATS HIM IN PENNSYLVANIA.
HILLARY..... YOU GO, GIRL. WHAT A WOMAN!!! WITH YOU ALL THE WAY. EEEEEEEEE.......HAAAAAAAAA !
It's awesome that all the Hillary supporters NOW have a problem with the system. No one complained when they thought Queen Hillary would win the nomination by a landslide. But not the system is broken. Shesh.