May 24, 2008
Posted: 12:05 AM ET

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Clinton has been citing Karl Rove’s analysis as a basis for her argument.
Clinton has been citing Karl Rove’s analysis as a basis for her argument.

BRANDON, South Dakota (CNN) – In the face of Barack Obama’s insurmountable lead among pledged delegates, Hillary Clinton on Friday again declared victory in the popular vote and suggested the current nominating process fails to represent the true will of American voters.

“We’re going to have to change the system by which we pick the nominees, I believe, and we are with the system we have now,” Clinton said, responding to a supporter here who lamented the role of superdelegates in selecting the party’s nominee. “And I’m a big believer in one person one vote, and I believe in as much democracy as possible.”

Clinton told the supporter that “superdelegates will play a big role” in choosing the nominee, but said she would prefer a primary-only system in which nominating contests would be bundled together.

“I think that’s an issue for debate in the future because I believe we should have primaries everywhere, and everybody, as many people as possible should be encouraged to vote,” she said. “We ought to group them so that nobody is at the tail end, so everybody has a chance to participate. But that’s all for the future.”

Despite her apparent dig against superdelegates, Clinton and her campaign have routinely argued that those party elites should be able to exercise their independent judgment in choosing a nominee, regardless of vote totals or pledged delegate counts.

Clinton also entered into a lengthy fulmination on the question of electability, arguing that she can “put together the electoral map” to defeat John McCain and citing a sampling of Karl Rove’s electoral maps and polling data, obtained by ABC News earlier this week, that showed her performing better than Obama in key states.

“Ask anybody who is supporting my opponent to please tell you how he gets to the 270 electoral votes that we must have to win,” she said. “Every independent analysis that I have seen, some of them done by no friends of Democrats as well as objective news channels, show that I defeat John McCain in key states like Florida, like Ohio, and my opponent does not. Show that I have won states totaling 300 electoral votes. My opponent has won states totaling about 217 electoral votes.”

On her chances in South Dakota, Clinton said she is “racing against the wind here” because Obama has “a lot of the institutional support, a lot of the political establishment” in the state.

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Corey, Maryland   May 24th, 2008 12:07 am ET

Cause thats going to help her get elected!!!!!

Obama Richardson 2008

Mary   May 24th, 2008 12:09 am ET

How much longer are we going to have to listen to Hillary whine ?

Thomas   May 24th, 2008 12:09 am ET

This woman has just lost all respect and sense of reason.

Lorenzo Atlanta, Georgia   May 24th, 2008 12:10 am ET

Here we go again. Moving the finish line. This is what we call a sore loser. I wonder how Bill could take years of her twisted logic.

HillarySkank on myspace   May 24th, 2008 12:10 am ET

Tough cookies Hilly. The rules are the rules. You agreed to them now sit down and shut up before the secret service comes by to arrest you.

Gerald F.   May 24th, 2008 12:11 am ET

Just do the best you can.

Jim   May 24th, 2008 12:13 am ET

First it's "MI and FL need to be punished" when she didn't need their votes, she thought….

Then it's "MI and FL need to count for civil rights' sake!!"

First it's "I am the inevitable nominee because I have so many superdelegates in my pocket"

Now it's "I am losing so we need to change the system"

CAN ANYONE FIGURE OUT WHERE SHE REALLY STANDS ON ANYTHING??

YES!! I have figured it out! She stands for anything that benefits THE CLINTONS and the Clintons ONLY.

Haffer R   May 24th, 2008 12:16 am ET

Is anyone really listening to this woman? Well let me tell you about those who I think do.

Its amazing that such an intelligent woman is supported by the most unintelligent in each state. I guess marketing yourself as a bitter hack goes along way…

Nearby, there is a Hillary headquarters and everyday I drive by and see the same racist over 40 white women out there parading around. They are typically over weight and look like they have been sipping on the Hillary kool aid way, try sugar free…

As far as sexism goes, Hillary Clinton acts and talks like a man, not a woman and appeals to the bitter mid 40's divorcee trying to put their life together who thinks they are still hip, but inside deeply insecure about aging and their role in life.

Hillary supporters are easy to spot, they are angry about everything and never make amends with those they be-little….I see them everyday.

JC   May 24th, 2008 12:16 am ET

Hillary is not electable from Day One.
How ironic the Democrats let her run this far!
Luckily, Obama will fix them up fast.

Joe M   May 24th, 2008 12:16 am ET

This is a joke. This is the same woman who claimed some sort of huge victory in Pennsylvania after having huge advantages in endorsements from high-level politicians (senators, the governer) to local mayors of PA's biggest cities. She grew up there, but somehow after managing just point win in Pennsylvania, claimed some earth-shattering come-from-behind victory in the state. Now she's complaining that she's "running against the wind" in South Dakota. I see, Hillary. When you have all the advantages in a state, its a huge victory, but you are already making excuses when your opponent has more support in a contested state. It really has been truly amazing watching her twist reality day after day to suit her now hopeless candidacy.

joe   May 24th, 2008 12:17 am ET

the good thing is we are not in the third world country We don't change rule last minute to fulfill the dictetors need. Enough is enough just hung your jersey or whatever you have to hung.

Cohiba   May 24th, 2008 12:18 am ET

No surprise here…Hillary is losing and it certainly cannot be her fault, so let's blame the process. This woman will do and say anything to get what she wants. PATHETIC.

Eric   May 24th, 2008 12:18 am ET

It's very likely that the nomination process will change, but not until AFTER it is over this time around. You should be worrying about repairing your reputation now, Clinton, because it's pretty clear your presidential aspirations are over.

Joseph   May 24th, 2008 12:18 am ET

Go Hill-dawg! I love her and I will be VERY disappointed if she does not receive the nomination.

Hill '08

Michael   May 24th, 2008 12:19 am ET

Sad that she can make such a contradiction, out loud, that she can say superdelegates and the like shouldn't matter in the future, but then at the same time need them desperately to get her the nomination, and none of her supporters care! Why are Clinton supporters so blind as to the reality of this race? The people of the US elected Obama, plain and simple. If he had been of the ballot in Michigan, he would be ahead even by Clinton's ridiculous math, and she wouldn't be able to claim any of these things.

It's just really sad that after 8 years of Bush, we STILL haven't opened our eyes.

FrankSmith   May 24th, 2008 12:20 am ET

Freud said it best:

Our "unconscious" motives are BEST expressed in SLIPS of the TONGUE (mis-speaking). Well Hillary just revealed her "unconscious feelings" about Obama!

jm from sc   May 24th, 2008 12:20 am ET

The process needs to remain the same. It should not be changed to make Sen. Clinton look good. Anyways, the states won in the primary does not exactly reflect the outcome of the general election. Rush Limbaugh will not be campaigning for Clinton in the fall.

Obama 08

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To think I actually donated to her campaign. As woman, I think she is
destroying everything good she has done in the last 15 months.

Edward Lynn   May 24th, 2008 12:21 am ET

So, as usual, whatever makes her right is the right way to go, huh? Hillary, it's against the rules to change the rules in the middle of the game… in any game. Nobody likes a sore loser.

Hurm...   May 24th, 2008 12:22 am ET

I dunno… Obama did a pretty good job with change…

You are just complaining now Hillary. You thought you had the nomination in the bag going into Iowa.

As an Iowan, I saw right through you. It seems as if you did not want to be here campaigning. As if it was a 'waste of your time' because you expected to win here. And now you're wanting every vote counted because you are behind. It is no wonder you came in third here…

Rafi, NY NY   May 24th, 2008 12:26 am ET

"Despite her apparent dig against superdelegates, Clinton and her campaign have routinely argued that those party elites should be able to exercise their independent judgment in choosing a nominee, regardless of vote totals or pledged delegate counts."

I'm glad this paragraph was included, because that was the first thing that entered my mind.

mike   May 24th, 2008 12:27 am ET

soo umm if she cant win the nominationby FOLLOWING the rules… How can she win the White House by following the rules? or are we going to have to change that too?

The point of a nomination is to come up with a strategy ti win the most delegates then focus on the general election. Obama is doing just that.

FLORIDA FOR Obama

chuck   May 24th, 2008 12:28 am ET

She is right, check the current poll results at http://www.electoral-vote.com

Better than that she is actually ahead now in delegates elected in Primary states. Obama's lead in "pledged" delegates is now all caucus states and Edwards switches.

Casey from Atlanta   May 24th, 2008 12:28 am ET

i wonder how it is for Hillary…. being in la la land and all… where voodoo math rules, political pixie dust makes magic changes, some states are more important based upon her logic…

she must be tired spinning the multitude of desperate lies about how she's actually winning with a 'popular vote' that disenfranchizes several caucus states…

Hllary, are you tired yet? because I am… I love you… but you're killing me with this mess…

oh, i forgot… my opinion doesn't matter becasue I didn't vote for you.

bill in pa   May 24th, 2008 12:29 am ET

She's done. After the RFK comments she'll be lucky to be elected as dog catcher in Podunk, WV.

KevinPenn Sr Alabama [Teamsters Local 402]   May 24th, 2008 12:29 am ET

Have a little pride and face the truth.You lost!!! Now you want to change the rules now you are on the short end of the stick.. You showed your real you in this race in 08. I can never support you ever..Goodbye….!!!

Jane   May 24th, 2008 12:30 am ET

Sen. Clinton is absolutely right. If the DNC doesn't change the nominating system, we're going to lose a lot of democrats to the independent party. Having a small group of people pick the nominee is not democratic.

Tara   May 24th, 2008 12:30 am ET

Wow…the bar changes like every hour for her. She said it was a delegate race and she reminded people of that constantly, then when she realized that wasn't going to happen it was oh who cares about what the voters think superdelegates need to exercise independent judgement…now it's something else???!

Abm Habibullah, Dallas, TX   May 24th, 2008 12:31 am ET

Sure there are flaws just like there are in regular November election. One man, one vote should be the basis of Presidential election. But why change now when game is already started? Because it is convenient. Why did you sign for the rule to exclude Florida and Michigan? Where are your judgement? Hillary always changes her position whenever it is convenient to do so. How can you possibly ask people to support someone who have a judgemental problem? I am a Bill Clinton fan, but Hillary is not someone I can not support.

sqs1   May 24th, 2008 12:31 am ET

Pathetic……

hillary needs to go   May 24th, 2008 12:32 am ET

HILLARY CLINTON HITS A NEW LOW. ENOUGH SAID.

Karen   May 24th, 2008 12:32 am ET

It's official..This woman is smoking crack. She is on the pipe and she has gone crazy. Some one get her to rehab ASAP.

Trollmaster   May 24th, 2008 12:35 am ET

One point to think about. Since the people of MI and FL thought their vote wasn't going to count, how many of them decided not to vote?

If Hillary cared about these voters she should have made all these points a year ago, not now when she's losing.

If Hillary wants to change the rules for future elections, I have no problem with this sort of reform, but you can't change the rules in the 4th quarter.

Dougy Giro   May 24th, 2008 12:35 am ET

Translation: Since I didn't win under the current system, it must be broken, so I am going to blame that system and suggest it be changed to one that would have favored me and not my opponents. Oh, and since it doesn't look like the superdelegates are going to give me a nomination I don't deserve, we should get rid of them and stick to the popular vote as long as the popular vote is tallied using my fuzzy math.

Mike   May 24th, 2008 12:37 am ET

It seems like Senator Clinton is continuing to count electoral votes in a race against John McCain when she should have been counting delegates in a race against Senator Obama.
This is exactly the same kind of planning that got her into the trouble that she now finds herself in.
Additionally, to rely on the math of Karl Rove, who has been on the wrong side of predictions for the last few years is a real stretch.

Don   May 24th, 2008 12:37 am ET

One Thing I understand about Clintons they will not fall alone, they want to drag the DNC along with them as they are falling. America is not a personal property that you can change any thing that is not in your favor, I think is time the media should stop giving her free air time.

Kris   May 24th, 2008 12:38 am ET

Hillary is turning sour. Now if this had gone the way she wanted, she would have never even mentioned the primary need changing. 2 words. Sore Loser. come out of this peacefully HillRod. Dems need to UNITE.

M.C.   May 24th, 2008 12:38 am ET

Amen to that!!! Then this mess the Democrats are in would never have happened! Hillary would be the nominee, and we would win in November. Instead, we will lose, if she is not the nominee. It is still possible, that sane party leaders will see the light. The people certainly have-hence the popular vote in which Hillary will soon lead.

Gringo   May 24th, 2008 12:39 am ET

Exactly ….. somebody needs to explain how Hillary wins Texas by 100,000 votes and still comes up with less delegates in Texas than Obama.

what a load of crap !!!!

Thats right   May 24th, 2008 12:40 am ET

You are right Hillary !

You go girl !

We will be with you all the way !

austbill   May 24th, 2008 12:42 am ET

Go Hillary!!!! Hang in there, you are a champion no matter what happens.

Hillary Rodham Clinton
The Most Influential Female in American Politics because she has earned this position through hard work, intelligence and determination.

Hang in there Hillary!!!

Ed   May 24th, 2008 12:42 am ET

Hillary Clinton seems prepared to use any spin, take any tact, do anything, say almost anything to seize the nomination. How amusing to see her now turn on the super delegates. Perhaps we will have 100's of "Judases", to group with Richardson and all the others who have stabbed her candidacy in the back. Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face.

Clinton's "victory" in the popular vote, her latest obfuscation, depends on counting Michigan votes for her and giving him none (since "he took his own name off the ballot") and ignoring those silly caucus votes that don't really count. Poppycock!

The most disturbing thing is the frenzy she whips up in various groups by telling them that she has been cheated: by sexism, the mainstream media, nasty tricks by that dirty campaign of Obama, and now, their disenfranchisement by the party "bosses", colluding with that devil Obama.

It will be plain to see, and it should be documented by the party for reference in 2012, whether she intends to sink Obama's campaign. If Hillary can't have it, she and Bill will see to it that the pretender to their throne will not have it either.

Herman in LA   May 24th, 2008 12:43 am ET

You make me throw up…

Michael   May 24th, 2008 12:43 am ET

Ms. Clinton, How can I say this nicely, just shut up.Your beginning to make Bush look Presidential. After 7 years of Bush whining, America has had it.

After further review,Texas   May 24th, 2008 12:44 am ET

Yes and its time dump the electorial college as well.

SamSunny   May 24th, 2008 12:45 am ET

Hillary believes in anything that will get her the nomination. One minute it's the voters, next it's…forget the voters, it's the Superdelegates. Wait, now it's the popular vote….but we don't count Caucus States or small states that voted for Obama. No, now it's the electorial college. Wait again, it may be by some big mishap to Obama. Now we need Michigan and Florida although a year ago she said their votes didn't matter. And the fact is, even with her excuses, most of her math is still flawed. Hillary is so tiresome, so desperate. Her tenacity has turned to tantrums, her fighting image to screeching absurdities. Please let's get this nightmare over.

Sindu   May 24th, 2008 12:45 am ET

I just don't understand with all her arguements… I don't know whether this is stuborness or just madness.

pragmatist   May 24th, 2008 12:46 am ET

Only when it suits our politician.

TW   May 24th, 2008 12:47 am ET

Hillary, face the facts. You are behind. Even if you count both Florida's and Michigan's delegates, you are still behind (according to CNN's total delegate estimates). Plus, Michigan's delegates can't even be counted because Obama's name wasn't even on the ballot. Please, Hillary, come off the cloud of denial, admit you are behind, and work harder to get the votes you need.

sjp   May 24th, 2008 12:47 am ET

just can't stop laughing at this BS, the democratic party through past experience found this to be the best method to nominate someone. now here comes hillary who said nary a bad word about any rules or regulations the dnc had set up, until she fell behind so late in the game that the only way to victory was by changing those rules and regulations. now she is trying to get everyone to bye into her lame argument. hillary quit campaigning like a sore loser, you wanted to change these issues you should have spoke up in january before the process started and further stop patronizing florida and michigan, you were first in line to sign up for accepting the dnc policy on them when you didn't think it mattered, funny how things change and you can't do anything but stomp your feet isn't it.

nancy   May 24th, 2008 12:49 am ET

Gimme a break, Hillary. Until you lost, the system seemed just fine to you.
You don't need a new system; you need rehab. Get HELP, please.

Jack   May 24th, 2008 12:49 am ET

What a sore loser. If Barack Obama were ahead in the popular vote and behind in the delegate count and making this argument, Clinton would be criticizing that "We need to honor the democratic rules and abide by the established delegate system, which has proven faithful throughout DNC history!"

She's a self-serving viper and I'll be glad to see her go come June.

kenny   May 24th, 2008 12:49 am ET

thank you mrs loser

Head Shaker fro PA   May 24th, 2008 12:52 am ET

I am sure she would think the rules were fine if she were ahead. Honestly, she comes off more and more desperate everyday. I don't really like to bash Clinton, but really, how can you defend comments like this? If you can't play the game by the rules, then don't play.

Michelle, Indiana   May 24th, 2008 12:52 am ET

After the damage you've done to the party, ya think?!?!

Hillary, please do us all a favor and lay off your own Kool-Aid and retire to political purgatory where you belong.

suz   May 24th, 2008 12:52 am ET

I agree with Sen. Clinton. I live in Montana, and our primary is set for June 3. Apparently my vote won't count for anything because the party–i.e. the delegates–appears already to have made its mind up. It's pretty disheartening and should be changed so that everyone's vote counts.

Jim - Georgia   May 24th, 2008 12:53 am ET

She has been a long life democrat, the rules have never bothered her, because she is behind now she wants to change them, give me a break.

Obama '08

An American in Canada for David   May 24th, 2008 12:56 am ET

You, H.R. Clinton will still be in the White House come 2009-2012

You are absolutely correct, that the whole Democratic system has to be revamped, especially the in your face caucuses..

A vote is a very personal moment and it should be done in secrecy; not with opponents shouting in your face, that is undemocratic and very imtimidating to more delecate participants.

And let us stay in the adult world wherein if you win a state then it is winner take all and get rid of this kindergarten mentality, of everyone gets a little percentage…

And perhaps South Dakota will vote more overwhelming for you in their primary because they will see that you are definity the better future President.

debbie gudith   May 24th, 2008 12:56 am ET

maybe we should get a nomination first and actually have a Democrat Party nominee before we go counting our Electoral College Votes???

James, El Paso   May 24th, 2008 12:57 am ET

I agree with Hillary, and i'm a Barack Obama Supporter. Oh wait I agree with her because even if Barack Obama only received 30 percent of the Michigan and Florida votes (Which he almost surely would have) he would still be way ahead in the popular votes and states won. I appreciate what Hillary has done, she has exposed the democratic party as a party in need of reform, as an independant who is supporting Barack Obama his message of wanting to unify the party is strengthened by her continued refusal to accept party rules.

Wen   May 24th, 2008 12:57 am ET

Your Question:

Ask anybody who is supporting my opponent to please tell you how he gets to the 270 electoral votes that we must have to win.

Answer:

In November when the contest will be between Obama and McCain, you will see. It is going to be a different ball game. He will get the 270 electoral votes the same way he defeated you in the democratic primaries which you started out with so many superdelegates.

Analysis:

Hillary, you have become so shamefully desparate that you can no longer reason properly. Please, get out of the race now!!!

JC   May 24th, 2008 12:58 am ET

If Obama uses his campaign money to pay for Hillary's debt, he will make many contributors unhappy. How can he use the money meant for his positive campaign for Hillary's negative campaign instead?

Hillary acts like a kid kicking on the floor of a candy store, refusing to leave unless her parent buys her the candy she wants. It is not Obama's responsibility to save her face. She messed up her own face. Let her get another plastic surgery herself. If Obama wants to succeed, he has to practice disciplines and holding people responsible for what they do, starting now.

Tony   May 24th, 2008 12:58 am ET

The problem is this: she might be correct on how she can win in the general election with the polling data she has obtained. Her problem is she didn't win with her original polling data she had against Obama. Now she will not win the nominee unless some type of Mutiny on the Bounty happens in the Democratic Party. What needs to happen if she is a team player, she needs to make it her personal business to unify the democratic party. She needs to go after those bitter women voters who claim Obama's a sexist ( over looking Bill Clinton) and the rest of her core voter's, for the Dems to win the general election.

Hillary in her true color   May 24th, 2008 12:59 am ET

Hillarious!!!

If this woman does not need a lot of growing, she is mentally ill.

Every wise person in America came out to tell this woman some weeks ago, “It is over!” She refused to listen. See where she’s headed now …

Sharpton told her to go and come back another day because this one is over, she refused to listen … See where she’s headed now …

She has been telling us, “Politics is unpredictable.” We never knew what this woman had in mind until recently when after campaigning so hard, she opened up with the JFK remark. With all this woman has done now, who with all sincerity will ask this woman to come back another day?

Comrades, I submit, the slogan must change from “Hillary, it is over!!!” to “Hillary, you are finished!!!”

Hillary, you are finished!!!

Bill, you had been finished since 1999/2000!!!

Chelsea, I don’t know how to put your own. Chelsea, before you even nurture the idea, you are finished!!! Go home and have a life all you three. You are finished!!!

Obama for President of the United States of America 2008/2012

Ex Clinton supporter   May 24th, 2008 1:00 am ET

Victory in the popular vote?
Liar! Cheater!

atomicboxer   May 24th, 2008 1:00 am ET

"Despite her apparent dig against superdelegates, Clinton and her campaign have routinely argued that those party elites should be able to exercise their independent judgment in choosing a nominee, regardless of vote totals or pledged delegate counts"

Incredible…

"…because Obama has “a lot of the institutional support, a lot of the political establishment” in the state"

Ha! Hillary Clinton is the epitome of political institution. Everyone is an institutional outsider compared to the woman.

Unfortunately, she does the female species no justice. Worse yet, the inspirational democractic alternative - Sen. Obama - no longer seems so appealing as he engages in the same sort of propagandizing shenanigans the neo-cons of the past decade have lavished in. Then there is McCain, quickly shaping up to be Bush III.

And remember, it's not the imminent collapse of modern civilization you should be worried about folks (brought about by an exhausted transportation system), but those terrorists who have wrought so much imaginary destruction; so make sure you vote for whichever candidate makes you FEEL safer, not which ever candidate will save civilization and the environment (which we sort of need intact to survive and all).

Desparation   May 24th, 2008 1:00 am ET

Your Question:

Ask anybody who is supporting my opponent to please tell you how he gets to the 270 electoral votes that we must have to win.

Answer:

In November when the contest will be between Obama and McCain, you will see. It is going to be a different ball game. He will get the 270 electoral votes the same way he defeated you in the democratic primaries which you started out with so many superdelegates.

Analysis:

Hillary, you have become so shamefully desparate that you can no longer reason properly. Please, get out of the race now!!!

Steven Mac   May 24th, 2008 1:02 am ET

GO HILLARY! A full 97% of Obama's delegate lead comes from wins in the low turn-out caucuses that attracted only 1,086,000 voters. So, 97% of Obama's "elected" delegate lead is a result of contests that attracted less than 3.4% of all of the votes cast to date. To compare "democratically," a primary-elected delegate represents an average of 12,283 voters, while a caucus-elected delegate represents only 2,073 voters – making caucus voters 5.9 times more important than primary voters. The system needs to change, period. It's not representative.

In my view, when you need to change government, you clean house when government is not functioning properly and the need is, therefore, to make government function better–in a new, more effective way. Perhaps Obama is that candidate. However, when your government has been destroyed along with your international reputation, and your house is burning down, the last thing you need is to clean house with a paradigm-changing candidate. We need to put out the fire and fix what has been and is being destroyed, and then go about cleaning house later. The only candidate who has the plan, the ability, and the experience to stem the damage done is Hillary.

The Truth   May 24th, 2008 1:02 am ET

Whatever works for you Hillary!

dd L.B,CA   May 24th, 2008 1:03 am ET

How can the rules be changed Now. Hillary agreed to the rules of the DNC as did the other candidates. Hillary did not expect to LOSE, so now that she will lose she wants to change the rules so it will help her win. It's unbelieveable. Now she is referring to Obama as the establishment, & having institutional support in S Dakota. Obama has always been the underdog, the Clinton name is the establishment, the political machine, and in spite of the Clinton name Obama is winning and will be the Nominee, because he is a once in a generation phenomenon and the next Pres of the U.S.A. Yes We Can!!

2012   May 24th, 2008 1:03 am ET

"one person one vote"!!! What the heck are you thinking, Hillary! Are you forgetting which party this is?
Vote early, vote often, have ballots, have caucuses, have both in some states, throw it all in a pot and stir it up, then apply a probabilistic algorithm so we can figure out who the voters really meant to vote for since we know they're too stupid to make an intelligent and informed choice on their own, then throw in a proportionality equation…………..whew! I'd go on, but it starts to get a little complicated after this.

Ratgurl   May 24th, 2008 1:04 am ET

Sure, let's change it right in the middle of a contest…. good idea!

Yes, it needs to change, but the proper channels should be used to do so.

emmanuel   May 24th, 2008 1:04 am ET

what hillary cllinton is saying is inaccurate and even if a nominee should be by popular vote she does not have it. cause you can't count states when her oponent name was not on the ballot and her oponent never campaign int hose states either unfair. moreover, i have been folling the election from start and clinton was agruing on behalf of the delegates when he was in the lead and Obama was winning straight. when he beat her at super tuesday and also had 10 consecutive wins striaght after including the international primary makes 11 wins. he had more votes by far and she making the agruement aboout delegates and superdelegates at that time. now she is not cause Obama took them all and it doesn't not matter about the polls match right about now people will come around too him cause he is still new and give him that chance and you'll see. after all he is very new and is doing tremedously well against her!!

Jack, Chapel Hill, NC   May 24th, 2008 1:05 am ET

Yeah, the new rule should be if someone with the last name Clinton runs, that person should automatically get the nomination :))

Obama '08

Proud American   May 24th, 2008 1:05 am ET

Maybe so but it wont be changed now in the middle of the primaries just cause you've pretty much lost. Wow… Hillary wont let any stone (dirty trick) unturned.

Tired of Hillary   May 24th, 2008 1:07 am ET

Hillary is so desperate - she changes like the wind, whatever benefits her at the moment. When are we going to be rid of seeing and hearing her crazy remarks??????

pat   May 24th, 2008 1:07 am ET

Every little thing that Sen. Clinton says are being criticized but if Obama speaks negatively he's being praise and popularized. It's really a fact that Barak Hussein Obama will never win this election, his personality is a big question. Hillary Clinton had more supports except for cash donation which Barak Hussein Obama had collected from muslim people outside the USA.

Kori   May 24th, 2008 1:09 am ET

Boy does it! This whole process was a total chaotic mess. Caucuses or primaries? Caucuses AND primaries? That's crazy. And why is the process so long? Two years is ridiculous. The money spent on these races is criminal. No one even starts looking at the debates until about six months before the primaries begin.

The parties had better get it together soon, or a lot of people are going to be moving to the independent category.

SYLVIA ASHEVILLE   May 24th, 2008 1:09 am ET

I agree with Hillary. This election has been the most outrageous mess if unfairness that I have ever seen. The popular vote should be the only choice in any election now that it is the 21st century. The
electoral college should also be banned immediately. It is all set up so that cheating is easier done. Seems to me that the popular vote is the only vote for the people. The super delegates are certainly going to vote just the way they wish which makes it unfair totally. Our government is in such a mess that we need this all cleaned up.

K of TX   May 24th, 2008 1:09 am ET

She has lost all credibility in my eyes after the Bobby Kennedy remarks. I truly think she is obsessed with being President and will do and say anything to get elected.

BushMustGo   May 24th, 2008 1:10 am ET

More of the "I'm so special, " Clintons changing the rules. If she supports the Republican rules and process, go join their part of exclusion.

JT   May 24th, 2008 1:10 am ET

Totally agree with Hillary. Excluding millions of voters is a bad rule and it must be change.

Hillary win the popular vote.

Hillary 08!!

Eric   May 24th, 2008 1:11 am ET

Hilary needs to shut up. She lost… if she cared so much about florida and michigan she wouldn't have agreed to discounting them in the beginning. She is so power hungry that she wants to change the whole system to work for her. She's also an elitist wanting a few people to over rule the entire election. She's an idiot . I will debate anyone over this issue.

tigerakabj   May 24th, 2008 1:11 am ET

Hillary, are you still in the country? You have no crediblity anymore (even though you had very little to begin with). I knew you were a vile, vicious, sad, looney woman but your RFK comments just topped it. I say comments b/c you said it more than 3 times. Tired? I don't think so.

I've known for a long time that judgment was coming out of your own mouth (i.e. Rocky), especially w/ the Goldilocks comment. Do you know what happened to Goldilocks in the story? She was run out of the Bears house, never to return.

That is what is going to happen to you. Goodbye and good riddance to bad rubbish.

David, Santa Rosa, CA   May 24th, 2008 1:11 am ET

Because she didn't win, the process needs to change?

This woman is looking more and more like GWB every day. Thank you my fellow Ameicans for seeing this Clinton for what she is… less than, and without scruples. The candidate that was NOT ready on day 1.

Loren, sacramento, Ca   May 24th, 2008 1:11 am ET

Oh please just because you have air in between your ears Mrs.Clinton don't expect us to really believe your hot air. All you want is to steal the election, you didn't mind that the caucuses were what they were until you started losing. Oh wait you agree to all the rules if you think you are winning however when you start losing i don't think it is fair because i am the only one who can win. If you are so high and mighty why are you losing this race?

And on your lies of having the most votes why is it you are the only one in the nation that really thinks you have the most votes? Oh wait i know because you want to not count the caucuses, and you want both Florida and Michigan to count with OBOMA getting no votes or delegates in michigan. Even if we decided Florida to give you what you wanted in Florida and we did 55/45% in Michigan you still lose both the popular vote and the delegate count.

A lie is a lie and you are all abouts lies lies and more lies. OH and i cant forget in closing. You are sick for your your comments on Kennedy death. And hoping that Oboma would die.

Brittany   May 24th, 2008 1:13 am ET

Let's face it, no one knows who is going to win which states until November actually gets here. My friend Hillary just needs to learn how to lose like an honorable, noble, mature adult. Oh wait, I forgot that those are qualities that she does not exhibit.

pauline   May 24th, 2008 1:13 am ET

WHATS WITH THIS DELEGATES AND SUPER DELIGATES??
WHAT HAPPEN TO THE ONE VOTE COUNTED ONE VOTE ??/ WHEN I STARTED VOTING AT AGE OF 21 THATS THE WAY IT WAS ONE VOTE COUNTED ONE VOTE . ..WHATS THE USE OF VOTING IF SOME ONE ELSE DICIDES FOR US .WHO WILL BE THE CANADIATE ?
THANKS PAULINE FROM SMITHVILLE TN .

Qet   May 24th, 2008 1:13 am ET

If this woman does not need a lot of growing, she is mentally ill.

Every wise person in America came out to tell this woman some weeks ago, “It is over!” She refused to listen. See where she’s headed now …

Sharpton told her to go and come back another day because this one is over, she refused to listen … See where she’s headed now …

She has been telling us, “Politics is unpredictable.” We never knew what this woman had in mind until recently when after campaigning so hard, she opened up with the JFK remark. With all this woman has done now, who with all sincerity will ask this woman to come back another day?

Comrades, I submit, the slogan must change from “Hillary, it is over!!!” to “Hillary, you are finished!!!”

Hillary, you are finished!!!

Bill, you had been finished since 1999/2000!!!

Chelsea, I don’t know how to put your own. Chelsea, before you even nurture the idea, you are finished!!! Go home and have a life all you three. You are finished!!!

Obama for President of the United States of America 2008/2012

Peter, DC transplant   May 24th, 2008 1:13 am ET

First, its the voters that decide the nominee. Then its the superdelegates who have a responsibility to impose their superior judgement and experience. Now superdelegates are undemocratic and the whole system is wrong. (she's on record of saying all those things, by the way) Clinton will say anything to win, and every two months she tries to tell America that she is being slighted in some new way. Know what's unAmerican? Trying to change the rules at the end of the 4th quarter when you realize that everyone's heads are beginning to turn away. Need I remind you that she's 20 million dollars in debt? Yea, that means small-town diners in Iowa, PA, IN, NC… it means public universities 60K in the hole… and you would trust her with national economics? The democratic party HAS changed me… I'll never trust anything Clinton does, ever again.

Patty   May 24th, 2008 1:15 am ET

Is there any downside to conducting the primary "election" of nominees by having all votes cast on the same date?

All states voting on the same date; one person, one vote. The candidate who gets the majority of the popular vote would win the party nomination.

Any thoughts on this, anyone?

Kay-Arizona   May 24th, 2008 1:15 am ET

She is right. The current process leaves to many holes for political munipulation. The DNC has not does their job.

Shut UP   May 24th, 2008 1:15 am ET

can someone please shut her up!! this lady lost her mind completely!!! i wonder if she consider hiring a killer as well..

Matt   May 24th, 2008 1:15 am ET

Hillary has just become pathetic. Excuse, after excuse, after excuse. She played the game poorly and misread the American people. She continues to lie. She is not leading the popular vote. She is only winning when she counts the states she deems important. She disregards any state she scores poorly in, as if they don't count as democrats. She was all for the Supers and now she is against them because they aren't voting her way. She wants a system in place that would favor her heavily instead of a system that has been a place for some time. She acts as if the rules were changed by Obama to steal her election. It seems to me Obama had the foresight to do his homework and understand how the process of being elected works. HRC had her husbands experience behind her and still ignored the cacuases and all of Feb. Now she blames it on the system. She is a complete joke. Just keep spinning just as you do in NY where you promise jobs and NEVER deliver.

Bryan   May 24th, 2008 1:15 am ET

Wow. So just weeks after she kept rambling about how superdelegates were a good thing and they shouldn't necessarily hold to the will of voters, she is suddenly extremely concerned about the voters' will?

When will this woman stop?

TR   May 24th, 2008 1:15 am ET

Who had the "institutional support" thus far?

Marc in DeKalb, IL   May 24th, 2008 1:17 am ET

Say hi to the leprechauns and unicorns for me whilst you go skipping through your fantasy land, Hillary.

RM in Albany, CA   May 24th, 2008 1:18 am ET

HRC,

Just go away already!

RM

Ray Kooms   May 24th, 2008 1:19 am ET

Yes Hillary , you are losing so lets just change the rules ( that you agreed to ) to accommodate YOU and so that YOU can be President ! The woman is pathetic . They will probably have to drag her away from the podium kicking , biting and screaming as Obama accepts the nomination .

Travis in CA   May 24th, 2008 1:19 am ET

Would she have any of these feeling if she was the leader and presumptive nominee? Last year she said Michigan votes did not matter, when she thought she had the nomination locked. Now, she's arguing every day that the Michigan votes need to count and that the democratic process needs to be changed. Early in the process she overplayed her hand and got overly confident and took the voters for granted and under-estimated Obama's appeal and message. Amazing, truly is, because if she was the leader and Obama was saying what she is - she'd ignore him. This is what she gets for thinking all she had to do was "show-up" and walk into the nomination, all because she's a "Clinton" and has the ego the size of a super-nova.

I'm a 39 yr old black man and was actually going to vote for her in the beginning, but her and Bill's borderline and suggestive racist comments about Obama in the beginning turned me off (comparing his win in S.C. to Jesse Jackson, and subliminally saying to voters "you don't really want a black man for pres do you?". Shame, because she had my vote and lost it, no one to blame for all this but her self, her husband, and her admin leaders.

Samuel T. Horton   May 24th, 2008 1:20 am ET

Hillary is right . Caucus's are a joke . This 'distribution' of delegates system is also stupid. They should just mimic the general election .

They shoud do away with super delegates completely , but the elected delegates can change their mind if the candidate becomes unelectable .

Von Bismark VIENNA   May 24th, 2008 1:20 am ET

This woman has become so desparate of late that inconsistence makes her sound like a hollow gong being hit by a one year old baby.

WHERE EXACTLY DOES SHE STAND? iS SHE GOING TO JOIN THE REPUBLICANS BECAUSE THEIR NOMINATION PROCESS ATTRACTS HER?

By her own words the Dem's nomination process has to change-
because she is drawing. Of course in the future not in the middle of the game.Her husband and chief campaigner was elected with the same rules in place but never complained.

She nowhere near NY 2000 again.

Ray Kooms   May 24th, 2008 1:20 am ET

Clinton math is as bad as Bush math .

NinaK   May 24th, 2008 1:20 am ET

Hiliary Clinton needs to stop bashing Senator Obama!! There is no way on God's green earth she can overtake his leads, no matter how much she and her lynching gang twist and spin the numbers. It seems her campaign is all about Florida, Michigan, and how she is in the lead and bashing the frontrunner. It is time for Hilliary to accept the fact that Senator Obama needs only about 56 delegates to win the nomination while she needs 246. She sure is bashing the Democratic Partty too, the rules are unfair, if they used "the winner takes all delegates rule like the Republicans, I'd be the nominee", she does not like caucus states, she thinks they don't count and that they are Democratic, they called the small primary states not important and they did not matter. That woman has shown her incompetence, divisiveness, and destructive characteristics and proven beyond a shadow of a doubt she is not fit to lead our country. Unfortunately, she lives in a world of IFs and cannot see reality.

Bett   May 24th, 2008 1:22 am ET

JUST KEEP ON AND YOU CAN CHANGE IT! HANG IN THERE HILLARY. YOUR THE ONLY ONE WHO CAN BEAT MACAIN.

OMG   May 24th, 2008 1:24 am ET

Does she still here? Again?
She does not have any respect even for herself.
Shame.

FT   May 24th, 2008 1:24 am ET

Mrs Clinton never suggested a change in the democratic nomination process until she realized that she lost control of the process. We all know that Math is a big problem in this country. Mrs clinton needs some help in Math. Someone out there can help her!!!

no, not her please   May 24th, 2008 1:24 am ET

i think they should only count that big states…no wait, the swing states, no wait the racist states, no wait, only the states that vote for her…..let's not count any states that break the rules unless we need them to make our case. lets change the rules several times during the race and put importance on whatever statistic will give me the edge. my head is spinning with the desperation she's been evidencing. i think we're really sending a great example to the young girls for which she holds herself as a role model. lets tell them that it's okay to change the rules whenever you want as long as they rule changes benefit you. that's a great message to send.

LL   May 24th, 2008 1:26 am ET

Victory in the popular vote ?
Liar! Cheater!

Dwight   May 24th, 2008 1:26 am ET

Please super delagates, Get this monster out of the race, She has not only lost it, but now she is openly talking some of the darkest rhetoric that one can imagine.

kelley James   May 24th, 2008 1:26 am ET

This woman is pathetic. She seem to imply and hope that some one might kill Obama so that she can be the President. Every thing she say has no ethics. I wonder what this blabber mouth will say to the world if she is the president. Is she going through some sort of depression.

scott C   May 24th, 2008 1:27 am ET

Nobody has EVER complained about caucuses.

Not even when her husband WON them, nor before the process started this year.

She lost them, THAT is why she thinks they are unfair.

Learn to lose gracefully.

She is in the middle of some kind of breakdown…

She isn't even funny anymore, this is sad and it needs to stop.

This RFK thing is going to destroy her.

JRC   May 24th, 2008 1:28 am ET

"WAAAH! I'm losing so let's change the rules!"

Grow up! Sometimes LIFE doesn't always give you what you want.

After tonight's "apology" I wouldn't vote for her for dog catcher.

Frank, MO   May 24th, 2008 1:28 am ET

Yes, right … establish the "Make the Clintons win" rule - or just make them royal.

A.M.   May 24th, 2008 1:29 am ET

She keeps changing her story line as she pleases; definitely a sign of "DESPARATION". In fact she can't fathom that she is not and she can not be, and she will not the nominee.

My oh my! A Clinton lose the nomination, too much for her.

A.M.
Houston, Texas

Lisa, Ohio   May 24th, 2008 1:29 am ET

I would agree Hillary. We need to go to a system more like the Republicans, without caucuses, without giving smaller states more power than they would have in the GE, and without allowing candidates to drop out before everyone gets to vote. Also, I believe that New Hampshire, SC, and Iowa's votes should not count more then mine bc my state votes later. They got to choose btw like 6 candidates and by the time I got to vote it was only btw 2. The republican nomination was already decided by the time i got to vote so ohio republicans had no voice in the nominee. That sucks!

Hang in there Hillary…TAKE IT TO THE CONVENTION!!!
WE ARE BEHInD YOU 100%

Ito, Yokosuka Japan   May 24th, 2008 1:30 am ET

Hillary Clinton has always thought highly of herself.

reader-of-many-sources   May 24th, 2008 1:30 am ET

Would she be arguing that the nomination process needs to change if she were ahead in delegate count?

unite the dems   May 24th, 2008 1:31 am ET

will the SUPERDELEGATES please put an end to this nonsense. I beg you. I know you are waiting for a graceful exit by Hillary, but it looks abundantly clear that actions do not indicate she is headed in that direction. Instead of UNITING the democratic party, in just one week she has 1. cried sexism 2. trashed the nominating process and finally 3. is claiming that Obama is not electable.

How can she in 2-4 weeks time completely do a 180 and start supporting Obama? All of this while her crazy husband pushes her for the VP slot…

Again, please SUPERDELEGATES, put an end to this madness. People are itching to start taking shots at mccain and you guys are impeding that. STOP worrying about your own political motives and come out to support OBAMA and UNITE our beloved party.

(CNN, please post this. People need to hear this)

Digy   May 24th, 2008 1:31 am ET

One word. Pathetic. She agreed to the DNC rules at the beginning. She has found no cause to complain against the rules until now when she has realized she's losing the race.

Th3rdpwr   May 24th, 2008 1:32 am ET

Wait! Wait! Let me see if I've got this straight. When the election process began, she had no problems with the way candidates were nominated, the role of superdelegates, or caucuses; NOW SHE DOES! Bill Clinton had no issues with this process, nor Al Gore and John Kerry. So far, the superdelegates haven't gone against the will of the people to change the outcome. This nominating procedure is the most democratic of any other national process; lesser known candidates are given the opportunity to go up against more well known/powerful rivals and have a fighting chance. Bravo! Obama played a better game than Hilary, and has been consistent in following the rules. By every current criteria (delegates, superdelegates, popular vote, number of states), he leads. The people seem to be speaking loud and clear. Obama has, clearly, earned the right to fight and succeed, or fail, in the general election. At most this process may need some tweaking; a more reasonable penalty for states that violate the rules; less importance applied to the Iowa caucus; fewer superdelegates; but, this current process has given the Democratic party a shot in the arm and the most exciting primary in over 50 years!

ek   May 24th, 2008 1:33 am ET

so let me get this straight… when she was leading amongst superdelegates, she thought they were a good thing and that they had every right to exercise their best judgment..now that she is losing … well it's a a different story. This is so typical of her whole campaign …she changes her position based upon what she feels will help her win… She needs to do the right thing and leave this race with what little (IF ANY) dignity she has left…

Mark C   May 24th, 2008 1:33 am ET

So she thinks there should be as much democracy as possible. Unless, of course, she's the one losing, in which case superdelegates should take matters into their own hands. Right.

Lisa, Ohio   May 24th, 2008 1:33 am ET

I really like your idea Patty…

"All states voting on the same date; one person, one vote. The candidate who gets the majority of the popular vote would win the party nomination."

The only bad thing is that the candidates wont be vetted as well going into the competition. It should be like this or as much like the GE as possible.

Garrett   May 24th, 2008 1:33 am ET

" A vote is like a rifle; its usefulness depends on the character of the user."
the great man/ president that so eloquently spoke those words was theodore rosevelt and oh how ture they ring today. it has been absurd yet quite amusing watching the farse that is the '08 race for the democrate nominee. thus far both canidates have shown an uncanny ability to back track statements almost as fast as the words leave their mouths. makes you wonder if they will actually stand by all promises and declarations they have made thus far.
but lets go back to the electoral process. when you cut through all the legal jargon and red tape what it boils down to is only a select few of "super," peoples vote really truely count. why is that? who are these people? is that what the founding fathers invisioned when they wrote constitution?
well to answer one of these viable questions; most of the "super delegates," are senators and congress men/ women, and other party affiliated politicians. now that bring us back to the quote at the begining of this rant; what make you think these "super delegates," have your best interest in mind? they are simpling following the heard. the pack is safe. they hope they are choosing the right canidate so their job is safe. like any one of us that has had a fear of getting fired(and im sure all of us have at one point or another) the super delegates are hoping for re-election or even better an invitation to the grow-ups table at thanksgiving.
the system is flawed. your voice is not being heard. (sigh)for once i agree with Hillary Clinton. But what would she be saying if she had th lions share of "super delegates?"

Conner from Kansas   May 24th, 2008 1:34 am ET

Hillary Clinton's lead in the popular vote can only come from her counting the Michigan and Florida primaries. The people of those states need to have their say. However, in Michigan, Barack was not even on the ticket, and in Florida, Barack did not campaign because he was obeying the rules of the Democratic Party. Hillary should not be able to win with some kind of backdoor strategy that is in my opinion, ethically unsound.

Fish   May 24th, 2008 1:34 am ET

Had there never been superdelegates, Clinton would never had had a lead going into Iowa. The only reason Obama had to catch up to Hillary was because of the 100 more superdelegates Clinton had prior to Iowa.

Either way, Obama has the majority of pledged delegates already and will win the nomination.

Im all for Clinton finishing her race, and am especially against the Electoral College and the idea of delegates as opposed to popular vote. But out nominating process is over, and Clinton coming out NOW to talk about changing the system is just not good politics.

Obama and Dems 08

k   May 24th, 2008 1:37 am ET

Does she still here? Oh my…
This woman does not have any respect even for herself.
So sad… so shame…

BHO   May 24th, 2008 1:37 am ET

Hillary want to bend the rules when she is losing. This woman must be checked by a doctor for mental disorder.

She expect some lunatic may kill OBAMA. Otherwise she has no reason to remind the murder of Robert Kenedy.

She can go and settle in Iraq.

Travis from Tennessee   May 24th, 2008 1:37 am ET

Everyone needs to let up on Hillary, that includes you Brittany, she has the right to speak whatever is on her mind and she also has a write to stay in till June 3rd when all primaries have finished and the superdelegates have weighed in.

Billie Robberstad   May 24th, 2008 1:38 am ET

I must say I;ve never been so ashamed of the people in America, as I am in this presidental race. And so much hate . Especially about the Clintons. Where are peoples brains any way.In watching and listening to all the hate on some one that has done nothing to these hate mongers. It makes me sick to think every thing Hillery says, they try and make something bad out of. But they are acting like Oboma is a God. Better wake up America you are promoting so much hate.aaaaIIt will come back one day to haunt you.

Make Love, Not War   May 24th, 2008 1:38 am ET

fuzzy math all over again

Rolando J Mendoza   May 24th, 2008 1:38 am ET

It's a joke to have the "math" be the deciding factor- she is more electable- he's taken advantage of caucuses that don't mean didly- just symbolic- like Iowa- what a joke. They should have winner take all like the Republicans- no wonder they keep winning the white house with losers like Bush- it is pathetic- and now we end up with yet another male effete elite from Harvard Law school- he's another idiot from the skull and bones club- oh who happens to be black- why do u think all the Alpha Male dogs of the party are supporting him- Kerry, Kennedy, Biden, Dodd, Edwards- good ole boys! The Frat House mentality is what rules Washington- there's no hope or change there SWEETIE- business as usual!!!

Q   May 24th, 2008 1:39 am ET

i predict she will ask her supporters to write her in when she loses the nomination, ha, ha, ha, wont that be funny, she could play spoiler to the dems,,,, the best party to beat democrats are the democrats,,,,, we can sure screw up a wet dream folks

Trollmaster   May 24th, 2008 1:40 am ET

Too many states are trying to leapfrog over other states primaries so they'll have a say. (which they've hadn't had much say since who knows when). This is getting out of control. At this rate the 2020 election will start in October of 2018. It's ridiculous.

One idea is 4 different rounds of primaries. Split the states in 4 different voting groups and rotate the dates every 4 year election cycle.

It would make more sense than the system we have now.

bernice   May 24th, 2008 1:41 am ET

Liar Liar {Pants suits on fire]!!

Mohammad, Los Angeles CA   May 24th, 2008 1:43 am ET

I think women should stop blindly supporting Hillary. Everytime I see a comment supporting her, I look at the name and loe and behold its a woman. Come on, please. I really wanted to see a woman in the white house. Just not THIS woman. She is one of the most viciously ambitious and conniving women I have ever seen. And today she suggested, in a way, that she is waiting for something terrible to happen to Obama.

This is a terrible woman and shame on women who blindly follow her just because she is one.

miltton zschiedrich sr.   May 24th, 2008 1:43 am ET

hillaryclinton is the most experiance and nost smartes person out of the three runnjng . and she should get the supperdegates to vote her in if they want to win.

Please make it stop   May 24th, 2008 1:44 am ET

Of course she wants it to change–she not winning. I've always like the fact the delegates are based on the precentage. Honestly, if someone wins 51% v 49% should they get all the delegates? Seems more democratic to me. All the folks who they it should change would you still be saying this Obama was staying this? Then she will bring up MI and FL–guess what they knew what would happen if they moved up their primiaries up. She doesn't do well in caucaus; so let get rid of those too. The longer the race continues; the more I loose respect for for her. She rather destroy party; than united it. Just shameful.

Jeanne, San Diego   May 24th, 2008 1:45 am ET

Any system that doesn't declare her the winner is flawed, according to her. She knew the rules going in. Had she not done such a poor job managing her campaign, she might be in a different place. Sour grapes… sour grapes… sour grapes. She doesn't deserve the nomination and she's doing a pretty good job of self-destructing, making sure she doesn't get it. The smart thing would have been to suspend her campaign after Kentucky, when she could have left on a high note. Now she just looks sad and pathetic.

jason   May 24th, 2008 1:45 am ET

yes, a topic for FUTURE debates: particularly at a time when here answer wont translate into either:

a) "There is always hope that the superdelegates will override the also-important votes for Obama"

or

b) "There is no hope and I will lose this election. Why are you all still here?"

To the "uneducated" hillary supporters, I will sum up the most important lesson you can learn after high school:

Someone is always better than you at something, but it doesn't matter. You don't need to retaliate by pretending to be PROUD of it - it simply doesn't matter.

Alex   May 24th, 2008 1:46 am ET

What really needs change is your ego…up to now I used to respect you. I now know that you are a sick woman blinded by ego. Anybody who in some way has a wish for his opponents’ death so that he can be a president is a sick person. He is not even your real opponent if you have principle. For you it is not about principle it is all about power. You were republican until you met Bill…you could switch back to Republican if they promised you the nomination…there is no doubt. Anyway, you will be part of history not for what you real are but for a woman who fought to be the first Democratic Party nominee. The truth is you should be in the history book for the woman who wished her opponent death so that she can be the nominee.

Keith, Torrance California   May 24th, 2008 1:46 am ET

This is the most pathetic, ridiculous group of voters. I joined the democratic party because I thought they were more open minded, liberal, accepting and understand. Reading blog after blog of hate, complaining, and self righteousness…I think I'll go back to the Republican Party. Unfortunately, I've now learned the Dems are no better than the Republicans but worse..hypocritical. I for one want no part of a party that is so hateful to each other.

bernice   May 24th, 2008 1:47 am ET

No wait it's scrabble rules "i've won the states with the most states that have more value in scrabble rules' Idiots.

Kevin   May 24th, 2008 1:47 am ET

So true she is. How can we let a bunch of Republican states pick a nimonie? That is beyond understanding …

ABC Forever   May 24th, 2008 1:48 am ET

Wow, I recall reading the comments from a Hillary supporter after Iowa spouting off that "It's all about the delegates Obama newbies!"

Funny how it was fair 21 debates ago and now it isn't. Let me make it perfectly clear: "If this nomination is not decided by June 4th, there will be a very heavy price to pay!"

ABC Forever!

bernice   May 24th, 2008 1:49 am ET

I'm President, I won by SCRABBLE RULES!!!

rob   May 24th, 2008 1:49 am ET

Clintons are like roaches, they just keep coming back! you gotta finish em once for all.

Enzo   May 24th, 2008 1:49 am ET

funny thing lol. and why she didnt mention about this before the primaries kicked off? why only now?why only when she's losing badly to obama in superdelegates count?

she's getting more desperate now..that is just pathetic..

Ron   May 24th, 2008 1:50 am ET

I love Americans, I love USA and I love the world, I am very much concerned for this election, the contest between Hillary and Barak is quite popular in the whole world. So many people outside USA hate Americans because of jealousy and it's a fact. Arabs and muslim countries hate Americans except Kuwait, if you talk American they consider it as white people and this constest between Hillary and Barak are considred by them between an American (Hillary) and a Muslim (Obama) because of his full name which is purely muslim which actually Barak was before he converted into Christian 20 yrs ago (why? because of his goal in life to strengthen and support his origin of belief). That is why you may be surprsed that BHO had showered by donations because of this pelople who contributed to him. For them their time had come that one of their brothers will lead to help them and destroy the power of the USA. I am not a supporter of any candidate but please make up your mind, I know that the angel will guide you one of these days and will wake you up in your bad dreams. Americans please save your country and the world. CNN please post this, this is very important. we must help one another, we must help the mandkind, we must save the earth!!!! There is a bogus person pretending to be a nice guy!!

Kevin   May 24th, 2008 1:51 am ET

Go to clear politics and you will see that she is ahead in the popular vote even if you count the coucus states.

Obama 08   May 24th, 2008 1:51 am ET

uhhhh…. pauline, the voters did pick. They chose Obama. He has the lead in every category. The super delegates just widened his lead that he already had.

from Russia with love   May 24th, 2008 1:51 am ET

To Billie Robberstad
Not people of America have begun this but Clinton. Several months ago there was other situation and people could not decide for whom to vote because people liked both the candidates - Obama and Clinton.
Clinton with her own hands has destroyed all because her ego and thirst of authority more than love, trust, belief…
People of America have suffered and therefore they are angry.
Clinton will be rescueed as always, people …. I am not sure if you will have McCain.

Sorry for my English. :)

Yup   May 24th, 2008 1:52 am ET

It's bad enough us citizens do not have the full say in November. At least the Republicans allow ONLY THE PEOPLE to choose their nominee, regardless of how many states play a major role. The least the Democratic Party could do is allow US PEOPLE to choose our nominee, and not leave it up to "super delegates".

Benjamin, San Diego CA   May 24th, 2008 1:53 am ET

Along the campaign she's pulled every card, every stop, and every excuse she can find to be on top of the nomination. Just HOW can she bow out 'gracefully" now? I'm glad that throughout this campaign, her true colors have shown. Because she will not win this nomination, she will PUSH Chelsea in the future and win vicariously through her. Best of luck, Chelsea…

Michael   May 24th, 2008 1:54 am ET

She just cannot accept that she's lost this. She started with every advantage running virtually as the incumbent. Now she wants to change all the rules. Hey maybe she'd like this change….maybe we should only count the states that she won.

I love this "popular vote" argument though. From the person so adamant about every vote counting is so willing to throw out 14 states. Yep in order to come up with her leading the popular vote you cannot count any of the 14 caucus states. Oh and all those uncommitted votes in Michigan? Yep gotta throw those out as well, can't award those to Obama.

Thank God there's only only about a week and half left in this contest; I'm afraid at the pace Hillary is going she is going to do irreparable damage to her political career.

USAF Sr. Airman   May 24th, 2008 1:54 am ET

Hardcore Self Destruction.

I'd say stop while you're ahead to Hillary, but she's already done too much damage to everyone including herself.

Keith, Torrance California   May 24th, 2008 1:54 am ET

Furthermore, why does everyone want her to drop out…even if she loses (which she probably will)….isn't it important for everyone to get a chance to vote? Should not Puerot Rico, Montana, SD have a say? Or do they not matter? Furthermore, I always thought that Democrats were for the underdog…gays/lesbians, african americans, women, etc and have always said to fight for what you believe in? Don't give up? And now people of that party are saying..quit! get out! And worse yet..name calling, saying she is pathetic, she's mental, etc.

Believe me..if the rolls were reversed and Obama was in her situation..1) He would be doing the same tactics as her and 2) His supporters would be calling everyone else racist.

Leisure Master   May 24th, 2008 1:54 am ET

Give it a rest already. Talking about changing the rules during the game is just poor sportsmanship and not worthy of someone claiming to be worthy of the presidency.

- The system was just fine when the "institutional" support was given to the well known 'Clinton' brand name at the start of this contest.

- The DNC rules to penalize Florida & Michigan were just fine, when Hillary was leading by a large gap in the polls - at the start of the contest.

- Hillary won't 'disenfranchise' the voters of 2 states that snubbed the DNC rules, but she doesn't mind discounting the results earned in the states that have held caucuses - So now Florida/Michigan voters are important, and Iowa voters are not.

- We hear of wide victories in Kentucky and West Virginia, but nothing of the trouncing received in North Carolina and Oregon. Are you saying that the voters in some states are more important than others Hillary?

To all the Clinton supporters who want to take their ball home and not play in November if Obama wins the nomination: Allowing John McCain to win in November would be the greatest disservice you could make, to the candidate you claim to support so ardently. For 8 years, the real democrats have lamented losing Florida because some decided to vote for Ralph Nadar. Clinton and Obama are almost identical in what they want to achieve, differing only in how they want to do it. For all we know, neither of their plans may be successful. We can only hope.

Democrats '08

elizabeth richards   May 24th, 2008 1:58 am ET

CHANGE THE RULES HE BEAT ME. COME ON BILL CHaNGE THE RULES AND LET ME WIN. what a selfish air bag. had you won you would have been flying high now BARACK should leave the nomination give you minus the black votes minus the young votes minus the independents and leave you with RUSH LIMBAUGH's Republicans who helped you in the prinaries. SICKO. HILLO and BILLO

Tony, Miami   May 24th, 2008 1:59 am ET

Clinton said "she win in key states like Florida" the last time I checked Obama didn't campaign in Florida. Hillary went 3 times in Florida for so call fund raising.
When asked about her chances in South Dakota she said "she is “racing against the wind here” because Obama has “a lot of the institutional support, a lot of the political establishment” in the state.
She seems to forget she had the institutional support and the political establishment in Pennsylvania.
I believe she will have anyway the hard working non educated white in South Dakota.
HILLARY STOP THE WHINNING IT'S TIME TO BOW OUT.

Jack   May 24th, 2008 2:02 am ET

Yes Hillary take them to the convention and send the Obamacrats packing. If you can't win when the ducks are stacked against you then play the cards your handed. This is a democracy not an obamacracy. GO HILLARY ALL THE WAY TO THE CONVENTION AND WIN ON THE SECOND BALLOT. The first ballot count is going to be 1660 pledged delegates to 1500 real delegates no winner.

Kim sk   May 24th, 2008 2:04 am ET

Yes, We changed it for your husband to win in 92 and now we need to change it again for you to win. Hail Clintons..oh masters!

Concerned Canadian   May 24th, 2008 2:05 am ET

Now thats real " Change " needed in the country. One person one vote…none of this caucus stuff..delegates & superdelegates…stupidest election system in the world. It eliminates democracy…its a who can bribe the best contest or better known as a "Banana Republic" which is now the case.

james   May 24th, 2008 2:08 am ET

I think that sen Clinton needs to think about what she is saying before she says it. She wants to say she is leading in the popular vote? Well only if you count florida and michigan. But if Senator Clinton wants to count michigan then the election results are unfair. She says she wants a fair election, but Senator Obama took his name off of the michigan primary so you can not justify her win in that state as being a fair result.
So if you do not count michigan but you do count florida, then she is not leading the popular vote. she needs to get her facts straight.

Cameron   May 24th, 2008 2:08 am ET

I wholly agree with what she's saying, and there are superdelegates themselves wondering what legitimate role they could have, as 'party elites', in a democratic process.

However, for Clinton to be saying it given her position in the current race sounds suspiciously like sour grapes. It also sounds like she's preparing to go to the DNC with a fight to change the rules before this process is over.