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NO AND THEY BETTER NOT. THEY SHOULD SEAT THE DELEGATES IN A WAY THAT NO BODY BENEFITS FROM IT DURING THE PRIMARY BECAUSE THEY ALL SIGNED TO NOT COUNT THESE TWO STATES AND TO COUNT THEM WILL MAKE NO SINCE UNLESS THEY ARE TRYING TO TAKE THE NOMINATION AWAY FROM OBAMA AND GIVE IT TO CLINTON.

In a nomination this close, Florida and Michigan should be allowed to have their votes counted and delegates fully seated.

If Obama can only win by not allowing 2 states to be counted, then he is not much of a winner!!!

WILL NOT HAPPEN. Even if Hillary intends to stir up a riot outside the building this weekend. I'm glad her lack of leadership abilities is coming clear for the entire WORLD to see.

The math still does not work for HRC, it's all about the supers now.

By Jesse Jackson Jr. January 19, 2006
"Fighting for human and constitutional rights is a theme, and a strategy, that could keep Democrats together for the next fifty years, election after election. It's time to begin a lofty fight to add the right to vote to the Constitution–and paint a truer picture of most Republicans as undemocratic. It's time to stand up and insure every American's right to vote to have that vote fully protected and to have it fairly counted."

The voices from FLORIDA and MICHIGAN have to be heard!

The Democratic Party never intended to not seat any delegates from Florida and Michigan. The party wanted to ignore the early contest and force them to revote – which would have been their followint the rules. But for the Obama campaigns resistance there would have been a new primary in both states scheduled by now. But, they have seen that if they let Florida and Michigan vote it would be two more huge losses for Obama so they did not let them revote.

Now, the Democrats may have to simply write off Michigan and Florida because Obama can not afford for them to count.

We are seeing Obama's inability to lead, right now. This is his party the rules committee will do what he wants and all he want is someone to blame other than him when the voters in Michigan and Florida are told they don't count.

FLORIDA AND MICHIGAN SHOULD THINK LONG AND HARD BEFORE RE-ELECTING THE GOVERNORS OF THERE STATE. DO NOT BLAME THE DNC. THEY PUT RULES INTO PLACE SO OBIDE.

PUT THE BLAME WHERE IT BELONGS, (GOVERNORS OF THERE STATE) POINT BLANK.

Wolf,

Could you and CNN please stop being lackeys and sympathizers for Clinton???

Thanks.

OBAMA, 2008!

It is irrelevant. Senator Clinton signed off on the rules as they currently stand. She agreed to them. She also, though not expressly stated, agreed to any consequences of those rules. The consequences happen to be MI and FL delegates not being seated. A debate over whether or not it will hurt or help is moot as the simple fact remains that she agreed to the rules as currently constituted and all the consequences thereof. She doesn't like the consequences and is now trying to change the rules ex post facto.

If we should count every vote, and everyone's vote counts, then how do we count the voters who stayed home in MI and FL because they were told by their Party the votes wouldn't count?
It is impossible to have a solution that everyone will like at this point. We have no Solomon as the judge.

I'd like to see them try and still think they have ANY SHOT of winning in November.

Yes FL and MI should count (even tho the clearly broke te rules and are now crying like children about it) BUT it should in no way be a game changer. Simple fact is that we need FL and MI to win in the general.. even though FL will clearly go repub

Of course it should be moved. If Obama was in the same position as Clinton he would be fighting for it too. Come on guys lets be honest with ourselves. Everyone's vote should count. It should not matter who you support.

They can, but MUST NOT.

Rules are rules. Either the DNC should not have set these rules, or now that it has, it should honor them. If nothing else, as a sign of respect for the other 48 states who abided by the rules, FL and MI must be punished. If they then want to cut off their collective nose, and vote for McBush in November, then let them.

If the goalpost is moved, all future Democratic primaries will be chaotic. Each state will do whatever they want, and then in the end will get their delegates seated any way. The DNC will be wise not to set such precedent.

Most Hillary supporters in the blog are actually neo-cons pretending to be a Hillary supporters. I know Hillary supporters aren't as delusional as Hillary.

Wolf... I pray the DNc abide by the rules.. When change the rule of the party what kind of message are we sending is that we can break the rule and win. I beieve that is wrong message.

God's will be done.

If you read the history of these United States of American and put yourselves in the place of American Indians, African Americans, and Asian Americans first and second generation, Japanese American first and second generations, and Hispanic first, second and three generation. White Americans would keep their head down in shame.

Wolf – I don't think so. The Rules are Rules...let's not get it twisted. Nice try.

One thing we can all be thankful for is that it was Gore, not Hillary, who was in the "Presidential tie" in 2000. If it were her, she would have destroyed the country in her quest to win, much like she is doing today with the Democratic Party...

The issue with FL and MI is more about the general election than about the nomination. If the DNC does not allow these states to participate in the convention, there is no way the Dems can win either state.

Obamacans should stop whinning about Clinton trying to steal the election. There is plenty of finger pointing in both directions. Besides, you are sounding like the Bush Campaigh in 2000 during the Florida debacale (delegates matter, not popular vote).

Lets move the goal posts to Hilary -LAND and still she cannot ctach up with OBAMA on delegates. This is the fact the Clinton camp is angry the American people are seeing.

Well here it is folks now they are trying to take it away from us, the young, these old foggies are always talking about how we are the future and that we are going to lead this country into the future and now they dont want to play by the rules and want to move goal posts and you wonder why the young don't vote.

1. Why were rules created
2. Are the only for some people
3. No rules free for all

Leave the goalposts as they are. Michigan (my home state) and florida both knew the DNC rules and possible repercussions before they decided to move the primary dates. Neither Hillary nor Obama were complaining when the punishments were set, and Obama shouldn't be punished for leaving his name off of Michigan's ballots. He was following the rules.

Seating the delegates is just another Clinton ploy to weasle her way into the white house. Can we really trust someone who tried to sell a gas holiday to people she obviously believes are too ignorant to get that the oil companies would have just hike their prices?

Wolf,
We already know that Barack is the likely nominee for the Democratic Party (and has been for weeks). He has already secured a majority of the "Pledged" delegates, and is steadily gaining Superdelegates by the day. Why would we "pander" to 2 states that clearly broke the rules.

On another note, if you want to argue the "electability" of a candidate. Need I remind you of the PETER PAUL VS. CLINTON Trial that the mainstream media wants to ignore. I bet the RNC will just salivate at the chance to break this story should Hillary become our nominee (since CNN won't). Google PETER PAUL VS CLINTON for details.

Your Bias is showing again Wolfe!! Can we have a little objective journalism from you once in a while. You would just love Clinton to steal the nomination from Sen Obama won't you Wolfie.

The only way that a goal post move will stop Senator Obama from becoming the nominee is if the DNC Rules Committee does a move to the Republican Winner Take All position.

no they won't.

Oh my goodness!!! Enough already! They broke the rules, the delegates cannot be seated based on January's primary...period! That primary was supposed to be invalid, so several people did not go out to vote...it would've been a waste of time. I know I wouldn't have wasted my time if my leaders in WI were so petty, juvenile, and insubordinate as to break the well-known rules like the leaders in FL and MI. Either do a re-vote or end the discussion. That is the only fair solution.

Obama/Clinton '08

It’s sad some are blaming the DNC and others are blaming Obama campaign for the issues with FL & MI. We all know the facts, Hillary is using this for her own personal gains, Obama has his reservations to protect his own gains, DNC is squeezed by FL & MI state level decisions that make them look bad. GOP is no where better on this but not able to figure out how they got away with their ½ delegate rules for FL & MI

and "creative woody" is an idiot. "2025 is what is needed in January".

First, 2025 is not any number relevant to January. Delegates don't count in the General Election. Electoral vote count in the General Elec., and Hillary has MORE (many more) of those than Barack!

Second, its NOvember, not January when we vote. lol

Get it right before you start to open your mouth

If the so called Super Delegates would do their job they would not have to move anything. It could be over tonight if they would do what they are put there to do. Obama is strong, my God he is fighting on two front right now and is doing fine.
NAVY Veteran for Obama

There is a reason why the goalposts on a football field are cemented into the ground:so neither team can move them.

1. LET EVERY SINGLE VOTE COUNT! THERE ARE 50 STATES IN THIS COUNTRY.

2. SUPERDELEGATES GO WITH THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE. MANY OF THEM ARE GETTING BULLIED AND BRIBED WITH BIG CHECKS TO GO WITH OBAMA IN AREAS THAT HILLARY ACTUALLY WON.

3. IF THE DNC/PRESS CONTINUE TO BLACKBALL HILLARY....VOTE MCCAIN.

The people know who the best candidate is...even if they won't admit it. Hillary.

What's your point?

wolf blitzer or whatever you call yourself every one know you want queen hillary to win,you and hillary will be very happy if this socall goalposts wore to move,you can see this all over your face each and everyday hillary your queen cannot win so get this in your thick head.

At what point does this end. HRC is not the Democratic Nominee. Her political career now rest on getting Obama elected. If he loses than her lose is magnified. The Clinton legacy is at stake. If they are the reason for the Dems losing the White House than no longer will they get the Red Carpet treatment.

The DNC should follow their rules. What happens in four years if other states do the same thing. Everyone needs to learn that for every action there is a reaction.

To clinton supporters: many are saying the goalposts should be moverd because obama cannot beat mccain. I understand now. Her supporters do not care if every vote should count as long as the states she wins does. Well, that will explain why her supporters and clinton believe she has the popular vote while excluding the 5 caucus states. the reason she and her supporers believe the uncommitted votes in MIshould not count. Her supporters are not for a democracy, but a monarchy. better yet, maybe we should not vote at all. hope her supporters alone will be enough for her to win this election.

How about Obama's Fake Uncle???????????????????????? Liar that he is; he is no better politician....true colors come out...keep listening for further updates!

Well, THEY SHOULD!! And it wouldn't be "moving the goal posts"...that sounds negative. What it would be is INCLUDING MILLIONS OF PATRIOTIC VOTERS.

I adore you Wolf, but this headline is "baiting". Why are you asking a loaded question to get the nasty commenting Obamabots to go off on a hateful rampage of blogging. Come on Wolf...is that crabby old geezer CAfferty rubbing off on you?

The TRUE Democrats and people who don't want McBush will do the right thing by the country. It's as simple as that.

IF HILLARY IS THE NEXT US PRESIDENT BE PREPARED AMERICA, FOR WARS WITH IRAN, NORTH KOREA AND RUSSIA.

This is so unamerican...it stinks! How dare someone change rules to meet the demands of the so called powerful Clintons. What does this say about our government, if we continue to not follow the rules? This is shameful. I am done with this whole stinking mess!
What about violation of rules? Let the Delegates vote in November as was stated at the beginning.

The goal posts will not be changed. Senator Obama only needs 48 Delegates to clench the nomination!!!

Obama 08/12

Only with your help, Wolf, which I hope will take some just heat from the light of history.

Let count all votes as Fla and MI voted in January Primaries. Count all votes DNC...

Wolf

Why are we asking questions like this that everybody already knows the answer too? I think anybody who has any decent grasp of basic mathematics will understand that any senario put forward would still leave clinton well out of reach of winning this nomination. The margins she would have to make up make her chances of doing so vertually improbable. she has lost this nomination any way you choose to look at it, period.

Wolf,
The way I see it and anyone that has been in the Democrat party longer then this past 16 months knows that you have the Kennedy Demo,s and the Clinton Demo's in which don't really get along.
Look how all this played out people and you will understand why Hillary is getting slammed by the Democratic party and I am not sure but this is what Bill Clinton is trying to point out.
With that said Howard dean is a Kennedy Demo and over half of the DNC chair people are to, so this will go with what ever Obama needs and wants to win but lose Against McCain when people smarten up in the fall. I am a Democrat and have been for 30 plus years and I will never vote for Obama or any one that the Kennedy's back

Moving the goalpost would NOT really make much of a difference in the nominating process given Senator Obama’s current lead over Senator Clinton. What it would really say it that we have RULES and RULES are made to be broken because our hands were forced or because we were too weak to enforce them. Next time let us learn from this… there need to be a better arrangement or Spacing of Primary Day of Elections – perhaps we should vote by region (every other month starting in the Northeast and ending in the West then in the next Presidential Primary the Regional Elections goes from Western States towards the East, etc.

well, I think the whole Democrat party process is a shame
to let superdelegates decide the fate of the party smacks of Soviet communism, a la the "Politburo"

I am going to sit out this election or maybe just vote for Nader – even though the vote is wasted, at least it says something to the Clinton appointees at the top of the party

The DNC should really think before they act. Should they give the ultimate decision to the two states who BROKE the rules? Remembering correctly, Florida was given the final say and we ended up with the George W(retched) Bush. DONT GIVE FLORIDA THE POWER AGAIN!

Yes, they need to seat Fl. and Mich. and move the goal post, neither Obama or Hillary has gotten the nomination yet. Although you; Cnn have stated it all along that he has, along with with his followers. The reality: again; noone has won yet. Keep working hard Hillary. By the way; Obama again yesterday; stretched the truth.

No it would not make a difference. The DNC is set on giving Hillary Clinton her way. She voted on these rules and had no problem abiding by these rules until Obama started winning. She is very divisive and only cares about herself. The American people will see how much damage the Clintons have done to the party once the Republicans start rerunning her ads against Obama.

Considering all the vote tampering done during the caucuses why should allowing FL and MI make a difference? Obama has been crowned heir to the throne by Kennedy, Kerry, Pelosi, and Dean ("Gang of Four"), anyway.

Clinton will win the popular vote. Clinton has won more "electoral" states. Clinton has fought a good fight in the face of race-baiting, misogyny, and a media that gets "chills down it's leg" when Obama speaks.

Let this go to the Convention. Let the delegates see the monster they have created by trying to appease "all of the people, all of the time."

Shame on them if they do! They need to play by the rules they set and Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama signed off on. Don;t try and change the rules mid-stream to give advantage to another candidate.

Hillary Clinton for president! NOBAMA! He does NOT have what it takes to beat McCain .... it'll be NO race and we'll then have 8 more years of Republicans! I will NOT vote for Obama, and neither will a lot of other people. Young voters are GREAT – but they have about as much experience as Obama!

I believe Terry McAuliffe, in his own book, stated the delegates from MI and FL would never be seated. He is now the co-chair of the Clinton campaign and is saying they should be seated. Interesting isn't it?

The fact remains that if Clinton were ahead right now, MI and FL would be irrelevant and Puerto Rico's status would not be "critical" to her as she was pandering to them this weekend.

She is a disgrace to politics, and actually thinks her staying in the race is uniting the democratic party. The Clinton's think she deserves it and should get it no matter what. I believe it was before super Tuesday that Hillary herself said what mattered is the delegate count. Now that she is behind in delegates, the popular vote is suddenly the more important factor.

FYI, Clinton will need the African American vote to be elected president. If she is the nominee, she may get 90% of them, but it will be a smaller number because you can bet a large majority of them will stay home.

Changing the rules after the people have voted is the most undemocratic move that the DNC could do to their own party affiliates. If Barack Obama has the most delegates but Hillary Clinton ends up as the nominee because of rule changes just think of all the constitutional laws they won't mind trashing if they get the power of the presidency.

I cannot believe just how much flipping and flopping Hillary Clinton does. She is acting just like a "fish out of water" By the way Wolf you and Lou Dobbs would really love to see the DNC move the goal posts in Hillary's favour won't you? I cannot believe that The Clintons are allowed to hold America hostage!

Leave it to the dummcrats to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat one more time.

Did Hillary agree not to count FL and Michigan in the beginning ? Why does she want to change the rule in the middle of the game ? is this is what you expecting from a very experienced person ? Neither Hillary nor her supporters have an answer to this question. how many time this question is been asked - they never answer to the point. Why did she change the mind and going back from what she agreed in the middle of the game.

Seat MI and FL as-is. 100%. Obama had the chance to do a re-vote and he refused to cooperate. He also intentionally had his name removed from the MI ballot. If Obama refused to allow MI and FL to remediate their non-compliance, then he has essentially forfeited his right to argue that they should not be seated.

The ball is already through the uprights!

Anyone claiming they will switch from Clinton to McCain if Obama wins isn't even voting based on issues. Seems pretty suspect to me. Four years of McCain is just four more years of Bush, and look where he's gotten us.

You mean move the goal posts back to the where they were last year??

To another question. Why do Senator Clinton's supporters want to blame Senator Obama for this mess? This type of divisiveness is not going to help anyone. Remember, Michigan and Florida decided to change their primary dates. They were told of the consequences and went forward. There are several groups at play here. All Senator Obama and other Democratic presidential candidates at the time, including Senator Clinton, did was sign off on the rules. I can't help but wonder what she would be saying if the shoe were on the other foot.

And for those of you saying that Hillary can beat John McCain. That's possible. But first she would have had to beat Senator Obama, Senator Edwards, Governor Richards, etc. She has not beaten any of them. In fact, she is losing!

Let's please just unite and move forward to November and celebrate a historic victory in January.

The rules are the rules. People don't care about a few hundred people having fun at the convention. The race is over on the 3rd.

Give each candidate half and move on. Senator should not get any advantage.

Warren Richart Iowa

I actually agree with Hillary's latest argument that primaries in the past have gone until June. I just wonder if she knows that June is 5 days away.

All I can say is tha the people who project a candidates positions and words, should be sure of their source and credibility. Also look at what the candidates positions are before saying they have none. Also look at your own motives before putting down those of others, Aeat hal the delegates and give each candidate holf of those delegates. No matter what is done, I am sure Bill will say there is a conspiracy.

All these comments about writing in Hillary are scary. Are Hillary supporters so dense that they think she will get more votes than both Obama and McCain? Hillary as a write is the same as a vote for McCain.

Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face.

You share 90% or more of his ideals. Open your mind.

The DNC will do whatever it wants to..., there's nothing democratic about this progressive party!!

Everyone keeps talking about "playing by the rules" as if this is a sports contest or something. They talk about "punishing Florida and Michigan" as if they are sports teams who tried to cheat.

This is about the voters in these states, the "goal(post)" being to put forth the candidate that most voters and superdelegates want.

The problem is we are now stuck in a situation we can't get out of. It's simplistic to say "just stick with the rules" as if that makes the problem go away. Yes it's a problem to change the rules now, and yes it's a problem to stick with them as well. As usual, the Democrats (and I am one) are a well-meaning but disorganized lot.

A SIMPLE solution is this
You want the votes to count from those who cheated in Fl and MI fine I say let them count but I think limiting the delegates to only half is the wrong answer. I think you REMOVE ALL SUPERDELEGATES from these two states. these people are supposedly the leaders and they screwed this up why should they get a vote that counts when they dienfrancised half the voters who followed the rules! Now give each of the cheating states say 5 delegates each. The split the delegates based on the average delegates recieved by each candidate AT THE TIME WHEN THE VOTES SHOULD HAVE BEEN HELD. Now ythe votes count, as they would have during the primary, and the total effect on the outcome of the delegates will be negligible. The delegaatres are seated albeit less thgan would ahve been if the citizens that are all up in arms NOW had BOTHERED to do something when they ahd a chance. and best of all I can stop hearing from the Clinton News Network how the Democratic party has somehow disenfrancised the voters who did not follow the rules!

Ann is right.
cherrystrawberry is what a typical obamaite is all about, calls names, call anyone not supporting obama a racist. The most hysterical thing is all the outpouring of love for my senior senator, who held the nastiest floor fight I've ever seen against Carter in 1980. Damaged the party and the nominee, helped the reagan landslide, wouldn't give up till the bitter end.
and no, i am not a hillary supporter, never voted for her, but might write her in if she is not the nominee and/or runs as an independant. Why would I support Obama? Listened to Wright for 20 years, only when his ministers comments were exposed to the light of day did he reject them, best of buddies up to then. Voted "present" in IL leg when anything of import came up. Real leadership there. Reads a nice speech, just another empty suit.

You're really stirring the pot, Wolf! I love it. However, the question should be how far will the goalposts be moved? Seating half the delegates is the obvious compromise I believe the DNC will make and 2118 will be the new number of required delegates. However, we don't know for sure. If the DNC shuts out Florida and Michigan completely the issue may end up in the Supreme Court. If the DNC seats 100 % of the delegates we may see legal action by the Obama campaign. Either way, the Democratic Party has a serious problem. I think this one's going to the convention floor.

What say you?

The problem the rules committee has is if you don't punish Mi & Fl. in some form what will you do when other states want to change there primary dates. What do you do when West Virginia decides they want to part of Super Tuesday. I think the best solution is seat the entire delegation but split the delegates 50/50.

Even if the DNC moves the goal posts, the superdelegates will be ready to side with Obama and end the tarnished legacy of the Clintons.

Wolf Blitzer have you become disillusioned also? How can you ask such a question? Are you working for Hillarious fantasy camp? Be really ready for a rude shock!

No way! No way!! No way!!!

Hillary is planning what to do next, and you are here asking a funny question. She likes drinking beer and taking shots of the hot stuff, and getting attention. That's really why she is still in the race. But she knows it is over. You mean you believe what she says.

I didn't know you can be that dumb!!! Wake up Wolf!!!

It would be appalling for the DNC to change the rules after the game has been played. And if a change in rules were to change the outcome of the presidential nomination, it would be a disaster of gigantic proportions. FL and MI should be allowed to attend the convention - but not via any formula that validates the results of the non-compliant primary for the purposes of determining the presidential nominee.

Wolf – No scenerio is elegant. The only ethical thing to do is split 50/50 or 50/50 at half voting strength. Hillary AND Bill need to come out of this saying whatever they want about changing the rules in the future, but ACCEPTING the ruling and begin the process of unifying the Party. There is a HUGE difference between what has transpired here and what happened to Gore v. Bush. If she continues to conflate the two, it will reflect on the direction of her ultimate legacy to the Democratic Party.

Why are the delegates being divided between Hillary and Obama, they agreed to the rules! This is obviously not fair to the other candidates that also agreed with the rules (Edwards, Richardson,...) If they are going to change the rules once more then they should be divided among all the candidates that ran in 2008!!!

Obama 08'

Honestly, who cares at this point. We all know who the nominee will be. The fact that the Republican representatives of MI and FL moved up the primaries and the DNC acted correctly, won't affect anything in the long run aside from angry citizens, though they are angry at the wrong people.

The sooner this is settled the better or else McCain will be sitting in the White house before anyone realizes it.

If the DNC arbitrarily decides to "move the goal posts" in Clinton's favor; and she ends up as the Democratic nominee.....This will set a horrible precedent for future elections. Evidently, rules must not matter unless they work in the Clintons' favor. Trust me, if she somehow ends up as the nominee, there will be ARMAGEDON within the Democractic party. ARMAGEDON...

I am an Obama supporter, and despite the rule precedent Florida and Michigan violated, feel those citizens SHOULD have their votes counted. That being said, there should be a REVOTE, so that all citizens who did not vote because they thought their vote would not count, can also be heard.

Then, let the chips fall where they may. Both candidates should accept the result and move on, and back the other against the McCain.

Hillary and Obama supporters alike cry for fairness…let’s be fair and let FL and MI voices be FULLY heard.

Democracy should rule.

It is SAD seeing the posts here from either side saying they will not vote, or vote for McCain before supporting the other Democratic candidate. Shame on you all.

I ABSOLUTELY will vote for Hillary should she get the nomination (despite my reservations), before I can in good conscience vote for more war, environmental blindness, and tax breaks for the rich.

Cheers
Dems 08

Wolf:
If we are serious about winning in November count the votes, if the DNC wants to loose the Whitehouse just continue this path of destruction...I am so tired of the Obama supporters claiming “THE RULES”

Obama knew upfront he had no chance in Florida and Michigan and he has tried everything to prevent these two states from counting… It’s just fine by me and many others. He does not want my vote and he will not get it. NO Whitehouse Barrack….

By winning the candidacy is such a disgraceful way will guarantee a sure loose in November.

Obama wants to talk to the leaders of Iran, Cuba, North Korea and Hamas, and solve all our problems with diplomacy. So how about a demo of diplomatic skills by sitting down withand talking to Hillary and working out FL and MI? If he can't solve this problem in his own party, he hasn't got a prayer to solve the issues with our enemies.

If they move the goal post, neither one will win. It is just that simple. Moving the post will make it impossible for either candidate to reach it. If this happens the one candidate who is nearest to it will be the nominee.

Regardless of whether the goal post is moved to 2010 or 2026, Sen. Clinton will not gain enough DELEGATES to beat out Sen. Obama. Since, she will not have enough DELEGATES, her campaign is now crying that she leads in the Popular Votes. I guess they want to include Florida and Michigan, but eliminate the Caucasuses.

If they move the goal posts they are just going to give Clinton more reasons to stay in a fight that she can't win. If she somehow wins the nomination over Obama, there will be a giant crack down the middle of the Democratic party that will be incredibly hard to repair. Hillary needs to focus on stepping down with a little dignity. She needs to think of someone other than herself...

"A wise man fights to win, but he is twice a fool who has no plan for possible defeat."
-Louis L'Amour

Math is Math.

The problem is that Clinton and the media have pushed and pushed and have made the process negative as far as I'm concerned. Each have incited furror that will result in Sen. Obama as the nominee to be blackmailed into have Clinton as a running mate. Each will forgive Sen. Obama only going against the message of hope that he's been preaching and encouraging people to turn the page on Washington, while yet condemning him.

Wolf, the goalposts could be moved this weekend, of course, giving Barack Obama or near the number he needs to finish this race. My question is would Hillary Clinton been so dedicated and disobeying the rules if she was the front-runner? I don't think so, this race would have been over. I do not believe that the law of the land does not count but it seems that the U.S. has changed its policy. The DNC knows that Barack Obama has won this race and if he does not get the nomination, a WHOLE lot of people won't be voting for Hillary Clinton.

More than likely they will, but when you're dealing with childish behavior you have to APPEASE those who refuse to reason. So they'll likely get MI & FL delegates seated to show HRC she STILL can't win, then they let them whine over popular vote and figure out another way to pacify the "experienced ones" and hopefully after that they'll go away...

If Hillary is not nominee then the Democrats should just concede to John McCain right now and save their money for 2012! Because they don't have a chance in hell with Obama.

"Please move the goal posts.
And if that doesn't help Hillary, please write her into the General Election ballot if she does not win the Dem nomination. I know I don't want John McCain to be the next president, and I am positive Obama does not have the chops to do the job right.
Go Hillary! Make a touchdown!"

_______________________

And if she still doesn't win, tell McCain the wrong date for the inauguration and have Hillary show up instead and move right in. I have never seen such sucking up to a candidate who is losing but won't admit defeat. All I hear is about how she is getting no respect, yet from where I sit, they are making up opportunities to overcome having run a poor campaign and being highly disliked by many.

You can bet that no matter which of the 3 "movements" are agreed upon, it won't be fair to poor Hillary and she will go on the offensive. Oprion four would work however – give her ALL the Michigan votes and 50% of Florida, then have all the superdelegat4es go back to "undeclared" and pick again based on her "electability" argument.. And again until she has the requisites number to win. That's the only fair thing in her mind. Why have primaries?

with respect for the rights of the voters, and in regard to the rules laid forth by the DNC, I believe that the third option, to seat 50% of delegates, is an option that they should accept for Florida. as for Michigan, considering Obama was not on the ballot, they could seat 25% unless the state, not the people but the actual delegates/senetors/whatever, somwhow funded a re-election, then they have 50% seated. to me, this seems like a perfectly reasonable course of action.

if we did something like this at the beginning, it might have even prevented the issue from exploding like it has today.

Hillarys own supporters PROVE she is a completely incompetent leader. She herself SAID THREE TIMES YES that Obama can beat McCain but read in this thread alone how many of her followers practice the same refusal to listen to ANYONE above their own NEEDS and AMBITIONS!

Didn't we just go through 7 1/2 years of that??

Obama understands that he can now allow the people of Michigan and Florida to speak and have their voices heard. He stopped HRC's momentum when it would have mattered. Now he needs to keep these states in the fold, and crediting their votes is the only way.

How can you make rules then turn around and break the rules? Everyone knew the seats would not be counted long before the election took place, but since you have a crybaby throwing tantrums the rules have changed. Everyone, lets brake the rules and lets see if they change the rules for our benifit.

Wolf, we all know by now that this race has been fixed,bought, paid for ,bribed,threatened for obama, so who really cares. And like the paid obama bloggers say, the super delegates HAVE to give it to obama or there will be war to pay the world over!!!!

SO A BIG THANK YOU TO THE MEDIA,DNC AND DEMOCRATIC PARTY FOR THE END OF THIS COUNTRY AS WE KNOW IT.
BE PROUD!!!!!!

Only if there is a 50 / 50 split in the delegates, which is probably the only
thing that the DNC will do, there should be no problem. At least then,
Hillary can have no excuse as to why Senator Obama will still win.

Why would the DNC changed their own rules? This would show weakness, at most. I think for the sake of the country they have no choice but to stick to the rules that were enacted by the DNC..otherwise I see all out fallout..

I understand about the FL and MI defying the rules. My problem is that the voters didn't have any say so in that decision. Are they to be counted out because of the top DFL doggies peeing on the wrong hydrants? I think to not seat the FL and MI delegates is a slap in the face to the citizens who took the thought and time to go vote at the poles despite the two states' DFL heads deciding to defy the party. There should be some other options rather than penalize the voters. I think the process stinks and voters should have a say-so. Even though this is a republic.

Hopefully the committee can find the "guts" to stick to the agreed-upon punishment for the good of the party. If they don't, then they'll have lost all control when it comes time for the states to hold their 2012 primaries.

It's a sad day in America if we teach our children that "it's not your fault you lost", "if you whine loud enough, you'll get want you want" and "rules are made to be broken – it's all about winning at any cost."

I hear FL and MI are having their 2012 primaries later this year since it'll take 4 years for the results to make it through the legal system.

I am with you Linda in Va. IT LOOKS LIKE OBAMA PAID CNN TO PROMOTE HIM. IT IS VERY SHAMEFULL HOW THE MEDIA AND THE DEM PARTY HAS TREATED HILLARY. I PRAY HILLARY GETS THE NOM!!

The birth of a new political party is on the way. Hillary will run as an independent. Never has a candidate been treated so poorly with such disrespect. Kennedy in 1980 went all the way to the convention with only 600 delegates and no one told him to drop out. It's really shameful to see democrats treat a women like a dog just because she's smarter than Obama . It's called jealousy. All these comentators and anchors are really girly men. Real men aren't scare of women. Strong men are for Hillary.

Hillary is the ONLY democratic candidate who can bring out the best in the Republicans.

Hillary is like "viagra" to the Republicans, they really need her to get excited. I think the Democrats will help the impotent Republicans (from the problems of Bush) by giving them Hillary as the Democratic VP!!! What do yo think? I await your comments- Thank you.

What a big ADO about NOTHING!
Sit MI and FLA 'as is' (MI 55% HC 0%BO; FLA 49.8% HC 33% BO), and she actually does get a slight PV lead, but does not go ahead in pledged delegates.
Even Wolfson would concede Obama should get something over 0% in MI and all he needs is 10% there to take back the PV lead. With a 55 35 Clinton Obama split in MI, FLA 'as is' and the polling in SD and MO, Obama will have 200,000 to 1/2 million PV victory.
So, what is all the FUSS about MI and FLA?

They really should follow the rules.... but they won't so they should
1. Give Hillary more of the votes to shut her up
2. Move the goal post half way between 2026 and 2210
3. Superdelegates should all vote obama in immediately on the 31st

Please don't set the precedent of bending the DNC rules.

So you start the game with a certain set of rules and after you start playing you can change that ? Call the Patriots back on the field, they still have a chance to win, forget the New York Giants who played the game according to the rules and played their hearts out. I got you DNC, shame on you if you change the rules that everyone agreed to at the start of the primary, just cause one of the players is a sore head and won't get off the field of play!!!!!!!!!

CNN obviously hopes so

I say split the delegates of Florida and Michigan so they don't affect the outcome of the primaries.

That way, they still get punished for bad behavior, and the voters get their votes counted.

Hey "Don't Vote"

what are you, an idiot? it's a democracy. votes count. right? why would you ever advise someone to not vote?

childish.

But sireously, why would people what to put a loser in the white house? She lost that is the truth, is it that people do not think anymore or they do not think at all. I am so puzzled some even threaten to vote otherwise who cares it is a free world vote for Bush , Mc Cain or even my dog if you wish too. If my choice lose it doesn't mean that the world is over go do what you know best. It is unfortunate that Clinton lost and I feel for you all and it is time to get over it she can still run again when she becomes 72 years old like Mc Cain. The retirement for a president is not 65years it can be 90 you can be the president in ruling from a nursing home there is nothing wrong with that it is also making history.
Love you so much it hurt so bad that she lost but someone had to win that is a fare game only in Zimbabwe and Kenya that those who loose rules the country.

The DNC would do better trying to figure out how to get HIllarys voters to vote obama
This is one that will not ,no matter how much they pander
I will vote McCain if obama is nominee

Wolf,

The DNC should leave the goalpost/rules as is. You don't wait unit the fourth quarter with a minutes left on the clock to change the rules. You play the game with the rules agreed to, before the game starts.

Hillary and her faithful Clintonites created this fiasco, because she has lost. If she was so concerned about people having "the right to vote", she should have stated this before this race started and not agreed to the rules. Howard Dean needs to man-up and tell the Hillary "NO, we are going to follow the rules we agree to before the race stated!"

What the use of having rules if you are not going to follow them

Whatever the DNC does is fine as long as it is fair to both parties. Hillary hasn't won this contest and it shouldn't be gifted to her. Primary results do not translate into general elections victory. Bush lost New Hampshire by almost twenty points in the primary and came back and won it in the general. The Clintons are acting like the presidency is a family legacy.

I know this is going to sound crazy, but what if we abide by the rules that both campaigns agreed to back in January? Nevermind, that would be nuts.

The only thing that will come of this, is a continued Clinton campaign. Clinton is going to cry about whatever happens in this meeting, while Bill is out spreading conspiracy theories about his wife being snubbed the nomination. This is no longer about who will represent the democratic party, its about what has to be done to shut the Clintons up. America HAS chosen its nominee through the rules and process that was voted into action by the very people who are now playing victim to its "tyranny". Instead of trying to cripple the democratic party and force her name into the history books, maybe she (and the united states) would be better served by a women who honorably lets the nominating process conclude and takes a leading role in the president's cabinet or becomes a keystone figure in the senate. Aaaghh, who am I kidding... this is Hillary Clinton we're talking about.

THEY HAVE TO SEAT ALL 50 STATES. IF THEY DO NOT SEAT THEM, WE WILL SEE FLORIDA GOING INDEPENDENT,REPUBLICAN OR NOT VOTING. WE HAVE A FLAG THAT HAVE 50 STARS ON IT, NOT 48.

You can't change the game in the 9th inning. This is getting more and more ridiculous by the day. Stop trying to appease the Clintons and let's move on with the next step to the process. She, her family, and her supporters are just being selfish. And how can you be winning the popular vote when you HAVE LESS VOTES? If she had the popular vote she would have won more states. Let's stick to the script DNC. Rules is rules. We all know she could care less about Florida and Michigan if she was winning. They would be S.O.L regardings of rules or complaints.

Wolff,
The question is how come a person that is a lawyer, who know that US is a nation of law not a banana republic, and that person is campaigning to be Commander-in-chief USA, but not willing to abide by election rules?

How would it look at an executive job interview a candidate that agreed to present certain transcripts at the interview session, decides to present another rejecting what was initially agreed upon, do you think he/she will be offered the job? I guess you know the answer!

Give me a break
If one is allowed to break the rules, what good are the rules ...

If Michigan and Florida don't want to face the same challenges as all the other states, ... Leave Them Out ...

Lets keep this Democratic, ...

If Hillary was ahead, ... she would care less if they were seated

She, Michigan, and Florida appear to be poor whiny losers

Wolf we all know you have been working hard for a spot in hillary's imagination cabinet.

Give it up already.

haha cherry strawberry, thats some funny stuff.

It is true however its time for the young to start to shape this country because obviously our parents and grandparents showed some poor judgement.

They call us young and inexperienced, but in reality we are energized and optimistic with a array of new ideas to improve this country.

To Michelle from Colorado : With your logic why have an election altogether. Let's "name" Hillary Clinton for President because she is "entitled" to it. Shame on you !

Why do we even bother to make rules if no one is going to use them. The DNC needs to grow a backbone and end this nonsense now!
Obama won fair and square. You do not move the goal posts in the middle of the game!
What a foolish thought and a dream for the Clinton's and a nightmare for everyone else.

It only makes a difference if the delegates are seated based on an outcome of a primary. Seating delegates on a 50/50 split accomplishes nothing. It only produces a false result. Unfortunately there are no primary results that have legitimacy and since the Obama campaign ensured no re-vote we will not have a legitimate nominee. The Democratic Party has blown it again. No wonder the Republicans are so successful at winning the White House. Talk about Party rules all you want, but Party rules don’t win elections in November. Just ask McGovern…

Cherrystrawberry. If you had bothered to look at their positions, you'd see that Clinton and Obama's positions are basically clones. But maybe Generation Next is too busy with their IPODs to actually read.

I think the DNC will come up with a fair and intelligent resolution that both parties will agree on. The key here is coming up with a solution that is fair for both parties.

The way Clinton wants the two states to be seated is not fair to Obama and I think the DNC knows that and will defintely take this into consideration. Will it move the post? Probably not because the majority of the supers will flock to Obama by June 3rd anyway.

As it stands now at this very moment while I'm writing the comment, Obama is ahead of Hillary. If you gave Hillary ALL of the FL & MI delegates she will still have less delegates the Obama. She can't possibly win, no matter what the DNC dose.

DNC should abide by its rules. Changing the rules for Clinton because she whines and yells louder is totally unfair. Just because she is married to an ex-president does not entitle her to have preferential treatment.
This woman counts her marriage as her experience. She is a sexist.
She complains about media being sexist. She is a devious manipulator!

No the goal posts shouldn't be moved – all candidates played by the same rules and each have been recorded agreeing to the rules/exclusion of FL/MI.

B4 Hillary wanted SD's to vote for whoever they wanted, now she says SD's should vote for the popular vote – based on her math, excluding caucus only states and giving Obama 0 votes in MI – but also including Puerto Rico, a territory that can't vote in November and has no bearing on the Electoral Vote which she has been pushing.

She also said whining is weak and that she would support "whoever the DNC candidate is" – yet her camp is spouting sexism, conspiracy theories and rumors that MI/FL is "Obama's fault" to get people mad.

The DNC should stand by their original rulings regarding FL and MI - it's disgusting to change the rules IN ANY WAY now, after votes have been cast......

This is DUMB – and speaks badly of our party...

Do what you SAY you're going to do or in the future just keep your mouths SHUT!

I am totally convinced that no matter WHAT outlandish, unrealistic , unfair or fair scenario that is used in the end , unless Hillary gets what she wants she will SUE, incite, whine, complain and pout the Democratic Party into Oblivion.

Go right ahead – move them anyway you want. Then, during the general election campaign, change the electoral college system also if your candidate falls behind. What the heck – rules are meant to be broken, right?
Also – in regard to Hillary's campaign making the claim that her use of the A word, not needing to apologize, and rationalizing the statement that it had "nothing to do with Obama" – am I missing something, or is he the only other candidate at this point that she competing against? How can anyone rationally say it has nothing to do with him?

The DNC can do whatever, the maths still remains that clinton can never win not with this arrogant attitude of hers and stupidity of bill. There wil be WAR if their decision is not fair enough because clinton knows what is at stake at the beginning, She went ahead for the fact that she never knew a Black Man Called Barak Obama can be where he is today.

Even though most of the people who have voted have voted for Obama, and most of those who have caucused have chosen Obama and most of those who have contributed money have given to Obama, we must find a way for Hillary to win.

Obviously most of us want her in spite of our votes.

The only thing the DNC needs to do is remove Hillary , she's one person, and let the goalpost stand.

The good side to moving the goal post is that Clinton will have no excuse to go all the way to the convention. I'm worried she may reject whatever the DNC comes up with just to stay in till the convention to ruin Obamas chance in the GE.

A new USASurvey poll shows Obama wining Ohio and beating McCain in National Electoral Votes. Who says we need bitter Clintonites? We only need the objective ones from that WOMAN called Hillary.

The Democratic Party is in deep trouble since no matter what they decide, they will alienate half of their constituency! They could have played it fair from the beginning and be wise and not make Obama, with his baggage or his racist background, become the front runner. Now that they have decieved millions of people, now that they cann't turn the pages since the fooled have casted their votes, they will have to sit and suffer the consequences! We will not win the general elections in November with Obama as our candidate; why cann't these party elders and supposedly wise me see this? Or perhaps this is the end of the "Democratic Party" since everything has a shelf life and that of the Democratic Party is about to expire! Pitty!!!

no it wouldnt jack, she is hopelessly lost and suffering from delusions of grandeur.
Sadly she doesnt see that its over and some of her supporters cant piece 1+1 together.

STICK TO THE RULES YOU CAN NOT CHANGE THE RULES OF THE GAME IN ORDER TO BENEFIT HILLARY THAT IS NOT ACCEPTABLE. RULES ARE RULES

I think the goalpost will be moved and should be moved. Actually the DNC broke their own rules by striping these states of ALL their delegates. The "Republican Way" of awarding half the delegates is in the DNC bylaws as well, but the DNC changed their own rules to allow for no delegate placement, which started this uproar to begin with.

Yes both state delegations should be seated, but they should be punished too. Giving each delegate half a vote would be a good solution or stripping each state of their super delegates would be another good solution because the politicians broke the rules not the people even though it's the people that are being punished here.

What does this mean for the nomination? Simple, both candidates will have to get more super elegates to support their cause before they can win. If delegates are awarded proportionally based on the primaris Sen. Clinton will get slightly more of the pledged delegates, but not enough to overtale Obama in terms of pledged delegates. But it will put more super delegates in play and require more delegates overall. Does this change the race? No, but it does mean both will have to do more to be the final nominee.

STOP moving the goal posts. This is insulting to voters. Michigan and Florida knew what they were getting into when they broke the rules.

Hillary is the ONLY democratic candidate who can bring out the best in the Republicans.

Hillary is like "viagra" to the Republicans, they really need her to get excited. I think the Democrats will help the impotent Republicans (from the problems of Bush) by giving them Hillary as the Democratic VP!!! What do yo think? I await your comments- Thank you.

Allowing Michigan and Florida votes to count is totally unfair. If they are allowed to be counted then why have rules at all? They knew the consequences and went ahead anyway. Hillary Clinton going on and on about them counting is really getting on my nerves. Obama wasn't even on the ticket in Michigan! If it were the other way around she would be the first to protest those votes. I read a story a few weeks ago that said to the effect if Hillary Clinton got out of the race early she would not be paid back for her personal contributions to her campaign. I think that has something to do with her still running. Being new to the millionaire scene, $11 million would hurt them tremendously. (Remember when they were begging for help with lawyer fees in the White House?)

It won't matter, the Democratic Party leaders and superdelegates are determined to make Obama the next loser for the Presidential race. I think the November election will be the worst Democratic loss to date.

The primary process is seriously flawed with candidates winning more delegates despite having won the popular vote. This added to the ridiculous caucus elections has made the weaker, less qualified candidate our next Democratic candidate.

The Democrats, as usual, are snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

Sure,
Let Hillary get what she wants, and let all the superdelegates support Obama. Justice served. Everyone goes home happy. NOT! Hillary blames the DNC for conspiracy and creates a riot in the democratic party. That's is what she wants anyway . the ex-republican.

Absolutely disturbing. Yes, I am for Obama. But would easily just be for Clinton should she have been ahead. (McCain is too much on the other side of the policy for my taste). FL and MI had their warning. They been given plenty of time to get back in line but went ahead and did it anyway. Don't blame Obama, Dean. Blame your state's party. They goofed. Don't even blame Clinton. Blame her however, for breaking the rules and creating this current division. If somehow she would to get the nomination. Yes, I would still vote for her but but in a very somber mood. It would spell disaster for all those new people who got involved. The people you say never would. Here is the chance to celebrate that by letting Obama go on to the general. Could be the best thing that ever happened.

DNC, you will lose all credibility if you change the rules just because it doesn't benefit a sore loser.

It would be like a team that missed the playoffs by one win demand to have the pre-season games they want count in their favor.

True democrats will rejoice everywhere when Hillary is finally out of the race.

Wolf,

The DNC should leave the goalpost/rules as is. You don't wait unit the fourth quarter with a minutes left on the clock to change the rules. You play the game with the rules agreed to, before the game starts.

Hillary and her faithful Clintonites created this fiasco, because she has lost. If she was so concerned about people having "the right to veto", she should have stated this before this race started and not agreed to the rules. Howard Dean needs to man-up and tell Hillary "NO, we are going to follow the rules we agree to before the race stated!"

What the use of having rules if you are not going to follow them?

Seat them all and split them 50/50, that would be fair, but I am sure Clinton will complain. Just another cover up right?

Hillary is being cheated! Remember we only care about the big states like Florida and NY. Caucus states don't matter or the Clinton's would have campaigned harder in those states. We don't need to count those deligates and we don't care about the popular votes in those states either becuase that would make Hillary look worse in the popular vote scheme

The poor democratic party is riddled with holes from the Clintons. They're like a modern day, politically based Bonnie and Clyde. It may never be the same now that the Clintons have ruined it for all of us.

Because Obama’s name was not on the MI ballot it was an unfair election. Either you re-hold an election in MI with his name on the ballot or it remains unfair indefinitely. I think if his name were on the ballot the results would have been different. Perhaps he would have won the state. As for FL, his name was on the ballot and even though they did not campaign there it was still fair. The people still had two real choices. So with that the delegates should be awarded as they stand in FL. 55% for Clinton and 45% for Obama. But in MI we must get a revote, or it will never be fair.

It is getting very scary to live close to a country where the democratic system is so fragile and where the non respect of the rules can happen at any time and even endorsed by people running for the presidential... and you want to restore the moral authority in the world? please people, try to work at becoming a better example before talking about moral authority in the world!!!

and that's when the civil war begun ....

No! this is why the supreme court would not accept Gore's idea of a new recount in FL in 2000. Regardless of the result, you can not chnage the rules while the game is being played. Seat the Florida and Mchigan delegates, but do not let them count in the race AS AGREED TO BY ALL PARTICIPANTS before the race started.

Anyone who has played sports or even played a board game knows that sometimes unexpected things happen: there is a bad call by the ref or some unique situaion arises. However you NEVER chnages the rules during the game. LIfe is not perfect; human beings are not perfect; human institutions also are not perfect. Change the rules for next time but DO NOT allow the Clintons to change the rules to suit them.....not even if it has to go to the Supreme court again. Obama should understand this is his FIRST test of determination.

This disgusts me. If they actually change the rules that were agreed upon BEFORE the primaries were done in Michigan and Florida, I will, on principle, NOT vote Democrat.

I want to see Michigan and Florida seated just as much as the next guy, but I also want the DNC to abide by its own rules.

Wow i read CLINTON supporters and am glad they dont go to the grade school i work at ..the children there know math ,,have more common sense..There problem is they feal shes intitled to the position .. But guess what we live in a democracy ,not in cuba ..where your logic belongs.. The state i live in wa. when you state she has the popular vote leaves out my state and the other caucus states ..Guess what we had a caucus and a popular vote... your worried every VOTE WILL COUNT ,,BUTTTTTTTTT mine and several others ,,but florida and michigan yes every vote there will count ,,you claim you want fairness when all you really want is what fits into YOUR AGENDA ..PLEASE explain to me why MY vote shouldnt count and my states vote shouldnt count???I f what you say is true ..Why in the nam,e of politics can people lie and its ok ..Everytime CLINTON says i have the popular vote its a lie..right now my vote COUNTS ,its a lie when you say otherwise..

Whatever they do, it's difficult to imagine them creating a situation where these states would be the deciding factor in the election, with the results as tainted as they are.

With that in mind, you have to think that the only way Obama will not be the candidate is if the superdelegates choose Clinton over him. That's possible, but doesn't seem to be in the cards.

aNN-

You are such a whinner-just like the campaign you're supporting. Give it up DARLING

Rules are rules. Florida and Michigan knew perfectly they did not follow the rules and their votes would not be counted. You can't change the rules, even the Clinton trick-manipulators.

The DNC better move the goal post if they want to win the general election in Nov. FL and MI vote better count or those vote will go to McCain.

It would give Hillary a slight advantage from both primaries, but not the result she wants such as counting them as voted which would be unfair to Obama who played by the rules. After this is done Clinton should not complain when Obama crosses that threshold and wins the nomination. I would also like to ask that Obama Nation please be graceful winners because we will need Clinton Nation on our side to beat McCain Nation. Let's not let fake Republican bloggers try to divide us. Look what happened with 8 years of Republican rule. We can't afford that to happen again.

Hillary is moving the posts, they will enforce the rules by

reducing the delegates in half
giving half the vote based on the results and the other half on polls or equal amounts
giving Hillary a slight victory

any of these changes still equal Obama wins

even if you go by her standards

this is one of the closest races I've ever witnessed and people keep jumping to conclusions. Let it finish out. The superdelgates will determine who will be the nominee, neither can do it on delegates alone. Funny how in the beginning, Obama's team said that the supers shouldn't say how the race goes, but now that they've pressured enough of them to vote early, it's adifferent story. All supers should wait until the last ballot is cast before they vote. And it should go to the convention, THAT IS WHAT IT IS SUPPOSE TO BE FOR. I'M VOTING FOR EXPERIENCE, NOT PARTY.

The goal posts will move because without Florida and Michigan as blue states in November; we will be swearing in John McCain as the next president of the United States.

I say "fight on Hillary" and if Obama supporters don't like it then I'll happily vote for McCain in the general election. One way or another, the Democratic nominee will need all Democrats in their corner especially with an Independent candidate like Ralph Nader taking some votes from the eventual nominee.

Leave it up to Wolf to come up with the most ridiculous ideas. Did Hillary promise you the press secretary position?

Moving the goalpost would NOT really make much of a difference in the nominating process given Senator Obama’s current lead over Senator Clinton. What it would really say it that we have RULES and RULES are made to be broken because our hands were forced or because we were too weak to enforce them. Next time let us learn from this... there need to be a better arrangement or Spacing of Primary Day of Elections – perhaps we should vote by region (every other month starting in the Northeast and ending in the West then in the next Presidential Primary the Regional Elections goes from Western States towards the East, etc...) That way it won't be drawn out and each State would know when they are going to vote.. No More Make 'em or Break 'em Primary States but a fare balanceed election...

Don't Vote:

Are you having some medical difficulties. It will take all of the newly registered Obama supporters to beat McCain. Hillary will affect voter turn out. Repulicans will rush to the polls to defeat her. Have you ever wondered why she has been seen drinking so much lately?? It's because even she can see a promising career gouing down the tubes. If she is not careful she wount win re-election to the senate when her term is up. P.s. Please do vote for McCain, we dont need you or any of these others so-called democrats. Do you think you are going to hold the party hostage??? Go away and take Bill and Hillary (tricks ) with you.

Sadly they probably will move them, which is the problem Dean really is facing. If he had stood firm and just said "no, we made rules, these states blatantly disregarded them, end of story", it would be a stronger resolve than what's going on. If nothing gets changed, it will be a boon to the DNC's credibility.

That being said, even if they are moved, there's
a) no fair way to seat Michigan as it stands, since Obama (by the request of the DNC) left his name off the ballot
b) no advantage for either candidate, since the posts will just be moved further out of reach for both of them

Also, while I respect their fervor, people who think writing in Hillary's name in November is a good idea and then say "Obama can't beat McCain" need to take a step back and realize their bad logic. Please realize that McCain will lose if you swallow your pride for the good of the Democratic party.

What is wrong with the Obmus supporters/ Why are they so full of hate and sprew terrible messages. Get a life and try to act civil.

The typical Obama supporters are rude. They have no regard for anyone except themselves and their candidate. They have been utterly disgusting towards Sen. Clinton this primary season. They have used nasty tactics in the caucuses to intimidate older Clinton supporters.

They stifle free speech by scaring opponents from speaking because they create hysteria over comments which they take out of context and to which they twist the meaning

They are trying to keep Florida and Michigan votes from counting and are silencing voters because their candidiate did not win (and they blocked all revote efforts too).

Shame on Obama and his rude immature supporters. I say no to Obama supporters and no to him as well.

Why is Hillary crying like a baby she agree with the rules with DNC it not fair to Obama that she is really trying to destroy Obama and the demoncratic party she need to blame the republicans in Florida and michigan legislator for changing the rules.

The DNC better support counting ALL of Florida's votes now or we'll hang them by their chads in November. believe it.

Of course, the DNC, Candidates, and all delegates have to agreed for this party to move towards eliminating, the Republicans.

Yes, Mi. & Fl., was punished, by the flip flopping candidate!
This is appeasement of the worst kind, and the flip flopping candidate has to apologize to ALL THE AMERICAN PEOPLE for trying to divided this country! And, she knows who she is, and family!

Doesn't make a difference at this point...
Obama will get the nomination... and fall short in November because of the 20 Million HRC supporters who will write in her name!

No Bama No Way

To Hillary Supporters: many are saying that the votes in MI and FL not counting is unfair and disenfranchising voters. Howerver, harold ickes, hillary's campaign manager, sits in the rules committee and voted to strip MI and FL of their delegates. Hillary signed the pledge to not allow MI and FL delegates to be seated. She also stated that MI does not count after they broke the rules and held the primary. How exactly is Obama responsible for not counting the votes in MI and FL? Second, ickes said the uncommitted votes in MI should not count. Hillary says she has the popular vote, yet she is excluding 5 caucus states in her argument. How exactly is she promoting democracy and her claim that 50 states should count, when she is disenfranchising the caucus states and the umcommitted votes in MI? answer please.

Well, I see Obama has a new suit, and what the heck is that in his lapel. Can it be, does he actually have a flag pin?What a jerk. Little does he know, sarcasm does not become him. It is a cheap trick. If he cant win on his merits, he doesnt deserve the nomination.

Peggy May 27th, 2008 4:10 pm ET,
Terry McAuliffe created the rules, so you can tar and feather the Clinton campaign chair first if that's the route you want to go. Dean just kept the rules the same.

The problem is that Clinton will appeal the decision if they are not seated as the unfair count is now (without Obama on the MI ticket & not campaigning in FL). She will then have until the end of the convention to drive eveyone nuts and futher divide the party. She will not agree to terms at this meeting because she knows Obama will get enough delegates to end this. Have we not learned She is not reasonable?

They can move the goal post if they want... but not to help her win.... The superdelegates are already full of it in my eyes, because more of them should have come out for Obama during this past week.... it is obvious there decisions may be bases of race otherwise they would have already come out for Obama. Sick, Sad. Sorry

All of those Clinton supporters vowing to vote McCain or not vote are making a big mistake. Clinton and Obama policy positions are pretty close. You may consider it unfortunate that your candidate didn't win but don't vote for someone who is opposed to most everything that your candidate believes in.

Maybe we could move the goal posts outside of the playing field. Why not? Who needs rules when the Clintons are involved? Has the definition of democracy in the U.S. become as warped as it appears to have become during this time in history? Maybe we can just let all the Ivy League college graduates run the country or is that what is already happening? Unless of course you are an African American Ivy League graduate. We need some major help in the U.S. and it's not going to come from the Clintons or McBushes.

Are you kidding me "Don't Vote". Do you honestly think a republican is going to win a white house with the disapproval ratings of the current. I've voted straight Republican ticket the last two elections, and believe me, I can't take any more of this. I'm voting Democrat regardless of the nominee. Obama will do just fine, in fact a walking mute would do better going up against a republican this time.

NEXT CLINTON WILL WANT TO MOVE THE ELECTION TO 2009 AND SAY THIS WAS A PRACTICE ELECTION!

Why should the good people that came to the poles lose their vote.The DNC is basically telling those people, you can vote if you vote the way we want you to vote. Of 19 states to move up the vote date FL and MI are the only states to be punished. Funny they both voted for Hillary. Was this rigged?

Hillary is out of goal posts!

The DNC will do the right thing!

Go Obama!

The DNC created the rules and all candidates agreed to them. Any action by the DNC should take place after the nomination is secured, based on the situation that pertains at the end of the primaries, creating a fait accompli. Then the delegates could be seated as Hillary wishes and she can go home and bake her cookies, that is, the ones she hasn't already burned!!

John you are very stupid to call Obama a LIAR and a FRAUD! You can't even start comparing Obama to Hillarys past are you kidding me or are delusional? Ancient POT calling new Kettle Black? You want me to start roll calling the CLINTONGATE DIARIES? I don't think so.

Obama is the man and YOU MUST VOTE FOR HIM whether you like it or not because I'm sure you know your namesake OLD JOHN MAC is ready to bring back the draft, kick out roe vs wade, and privatize Social Security.

There you have it so shut up and be more sensible when you post.

Wolf,
No it wouldn't. It hasn't and any which way anyone chooeses to move the goal post it still wouldn't. The Clintons know this that's why they are touting the popular votes excluding the caucauses. So, they can play all the game they can we are educated enough to knwo the difference.

Wolf, stop being a Clinton's boy. Why do they need to move the goalposts? In January, 2025 is what was needed. With or without FL and MI.

Is cnn also going to do the story about Obama's Uncle? The one who liberated the jews? I understand that is his latest try to get the Jewish vote, even though he had no uncles. Is this true? America needs to know what kind of person we have running for office.. I know you dont usualy print anything I say, but this is kind of important isn't it? This is something that needs to be checked.

Enough is enough, when you're trying to appease HRC ,she has lost the primary, Good-bye

Why move the goalposts when we could just move the whole game to somewhere like Saudi Arabia or North Korea so that we can play by their rules?

Their ideas on succession is more to the Clinton's liking.

I know that Clinton's campaign doesn't believe in things like math and numbers, but let me try to make this point anyway. Here are the Results from the Michigan "Primary":

MICHIGAN DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY January 15, 2008
Open primary: No delegates (of 157 original)*

Clinton 328,151 55%
Uncommitted 237,762 40%
Kucinich 21,708 4%
Gravel 2,363 0%
TOTAL VOTES 589,984

Here are the results from the 2004 Presidential election:

MICHIGAN 2004 PRESIDENTIAL RESULTS:
John Kerry 2,479,183 51.2%
George W Bush 2,313,746 47.8%

In 2004 there were almost 2.5 million Democrats who turned out and voted for John Kerry. In this year's primary, one in which the voters knew their delegates were stripped and that they had a choice of Clinton, Kucinich, Gravel, and Nobody, there were only 589,984 voters. Are you trying to tell me that there was a decrease in Michigan democrats of 1.9 million between 2004 and 2008?!?!?! Something tells me that there were A LOT of voters in Michigan who did not feel like it wasn’t worth their time to show up help Clinton win a meaningless contest over Kucinich and "UNCOMMITED". Do the people really believe that this contest is an accurate account of how the people in Michigan feel? Do they actually believe that if Barack Obama campaigned in that state and had his name on the ballot, that he would have come away with 0 votes (getting beat out by Kucinich, Gravel, and this mysterious Uncommitted character)??? Because that seems to be the point they are trying to make when they try to claim Hillary is leading in the popular vote!

All I know is that if hillary supporting democrats vote for mccain just because they are annoyed hillary didnt get the nomination, then they better not complain about another 4 years of bush policies...you have a chance to elect a democrat....if you vote for mccain ...then you deserve a longer war and a pro life supreme court

CNN POST PLEASE

Dear DNC

You must stick by the rules stated by the DNC before this election. I am a high school football coach we do not change the rules so the other team can catch up. You guys need to tell Hillary the rules are the rules. SHE SIGNED AND AGREED TO THAT PLEDGE, WHAT DOES THIS TEACH OUR CHILDREN! Do not be weak on this issue. Obama can get those voters back I campaigned here in Utah for him he won this state by a large margin we actually voted in this state.

Hillary needs to do what’s right; someone needs to explain to her that she needs to do the greater good for America and our children. She is taking the steam out of this campaign. So I ask all of you to stick to the rules and do what’s right. The whole world is watching America right now.

INTEGRITY OR HOUNESTY THE CLINTON’S HAVE PROVEN THEY HAVE NONE!

Count all of Florida's votes now or get none in November. Your choice Obamaniacs.

If it weren't for the 50 something Clintonbots the young would be nothing....

When is CNN going to report about Obama's "fake" uncle? You know the one that helped liberate Auschwitz? (Even though the Soviets liberated that camp...)?

Absolutely NOT!

Didn't we all learn in first grade that RULES are RULES and you don't get to change them in the middle of the game? In Michigan (and Florida, I suppose) we were told that voting in the primary wouldn't count. My candidate wasn't even on the ballot.

Much is being made of "disenfranchising" voters who voted in these states, but how about those who didn't get to vote or didn't vote because it wasn't counting? Aren't we disenfranchised, too?

So, no.... unless you just plan to split the delegates 50/50, don't change the rules mid-game.

what difference does it make:
Florida: Clinton 50% to Obama+Edwards 47% for a Clinton gain of 6 delegates max.
Michigan Clinton 55% to Uncommitted/Obama 40% for a max Clinton gain of maybe 20 delegates.
Much ado about nothing no matter what happens to the goal post.

Why not change the rules, and just not count any of the caucus states? After all, this is how Senator Clinton arrived at her popular vote "majority. "

If they do, the party is officially over. People will be leaving in droves. If the shoe were on the other foot, there is NO WAY Hillary Clinton would stand for this happening. This is beyond crazy. I truly believe that she has lost her mind.

the democratic voters under that august leader howling howie seem to have problems with votes that don't go the way of flawed candidates. I think it's because liberalism is a flawed religion.

It's too bad that the DNC did this in the first place. I don't think it's fair to Obama regardless of his lead. I just hope that they take into serious consideration how the voters decided if they would vote, knowing that their votes wouldn't be counted. Some voters stayed home and most didn't have enough information given that Clinton has been very popular while people are just starting to get to know Obama. Had the voters been exposed to a true election with campaigning and advertising on both sides, the results would probably be very different.
I hate how the Clinton campaign is making it seem like she is the people's champ and she never agreed to the punishment. She agreed along with the rest of the candidates and she should accept the rules as agreed to.

FL & MI violated the rules and cannot be should not be seated at all. The number is 2026 and Obama only needs 48 delegates to secure the nomination. The remaining Super Delegates will weigh in after June 3rd and will back Senato obama. This is over by June 10 and will not go to the convention.

Obama 08/12

IMO, if Florida & Michigan are seated, that only demonstrates that DNC rules mean absolutely nothing. Rules are rules and should be followed, which is unfair to those voters, but seating Florida and Michigan isn't the answer. This year they just screwed up. Once again it puts the entire election process in question.

The rules committee should vote to punish the DNC – not Florida and Michigan. The Florida and Michigan delegations should be seated at full strength, the DNC should apologize to the voters of Florida and Michigan and to the rest of the Democratic Party for creating and big, stupid mess and Howard Dean should be forced to resign for the good of the party.

I'd say at this point declare all their delegates supers and allow them to decide. It's not a pretty option, but would resolve things.

The goalposts can be moved anyway anyone wants, Hillay can take them and hide them away, nothing changes the fact that ,

Obama is the nominee !!!

Yes. They will have to move the goalposts this weekend. The finish line for just 48 of our 50 contiguous states is 2026. But with all 50 states, depending on how they are counted, the finish line will be upwards of 2209 – AS IT SHOULD BE!

Joh McCain, should say to both Women. Hillary, and Condolisa??
I'll take you both as VP's. Then take the rest from what he has now...
He couldn't lose, and they are all Democrat's....

Blitzer-they have to move the goalposts, otherwise the Dems lose the Florida vote in November and Obama goes the way of Gore.

So let's "move em" this weekend and it's on to the convention in August. where the Credentials Committee can deal with it.

Oh, wait a minute, that means Hillary is still in it. Read it and weep Obamanians.

Yes it would make a difference Wolf! If we change the magic # to 2,110 HRC gets to stay in and damage him either further. But if they do this, they should expect states to continue to break the primary rules every election year.

Operation Chaos!!

Stand back and watch the dems steal another election!!

Yes.

I hope not....we loyal democrats are losing patience and focus....get this thing over with, stick by the rules everyone agreed to and stop entertaining Billary!

Obama '08!

2,210 is the number as far as I'm concerned. Any number less than that, then Hillary should fight all the way to the convention.

It's a good thing that the media is not in charge of the primaries since they go around throwing out all kinds of undemocratic ideas.

Why don't we just move the goal posts to wherever it is convenient for Hillary supporters? Could you be more obvious?

Why doesn't somebody just hold up their hands over their head and declare themselves the goal posts? Wolf, would you mind volunteering?

No way. Rules are rules. Hillary didn't care about them until she needed them. If they, do I and many others will leave the party and will vote McSame just to give them four more years of Bush. Clinton wants to roughshod her way in and she has no way of beating John McSame because the people on the right hates the name Clinton, so just having her in the race will help McSame win.
She is setting back all of the progress that has been made by getting the young people involved in the process. Change the rules to help Clinton? I don't think so. Thanks Hillary for all that you have done to help John McSame As Bush win.

I think they have no choice but to move the goal posts again this weekend. There needs to be a compromise, somewhere between Obama's 50/50 and Clinton's 100/0 split. And if they can't come up with something, it'll be 0/0, and McCain wins instead.

It's unfortunate that some Clinton supporters feel that McCain winning is the better compromise option. Dems shoot themselves in the foot all over again again... and Bush, Limbaugh and Rove will be dancing in the streets...

Why are the party rules and regulations in place if no punishment is to be faced by the party who breaks them?

Seems like Obama, now has to work harder because he did not campaign or keep his name on the ballot in the states that should not have been counted according to the rules..

If the DNC decides to use the votes already casted in any way, shape, or form would mean they lied to the voters of Michigan and Florida; when they said the votes wouldn't count. Using the counts could do more harm then good.

CNN,

Everyone makes mistakes, but having a typo in your headline is a bad move for a news organizations.

As for the debate, the "Republican" solution is the way to go. Several of my friends and family did NOT vote in Florida or Michigan regardless of who they were supporting because they were told the vote would NOT count.

To not follow through in some way on previous consequences means that those voters, who acted based upon the information given, were truly the disenfranchised.

You can push the goal post all the way to Libya for all we care DNC. The truth is that Obama has a majority of the delegates and will continue to have it even when you add MI and FL; whatever happens the super delegates will never destroy the party by nominating Clinton over Obama. Pick your poison.

The rules shouldn't be changed just because Hillary Clinton wants them to. The goal for almost six months now has been 2,025 and it shouldn't be moved up at the last minute. By doing that the magic number would be unlikely to be reached by either side and Hillary will then try and take her near dead campaign to the convention. The number shouldn't be changed even if those delegates are seated or the Dem's fears about a convention fight could become very likely to happen.

The DNC is PATHETIC. Howard Dean is a failure and must step down ... a "leader" with no voice and no backbone The voters in Florida and Michigan should not be punished for the failures of their "leadership" and Republican Governor's meddling, but the DNC cannot changes their decision at the end of the primary. It was a stupid decision to strip these states of their delegates and a failure in leadership to try and sort it out at the end of May. I predict Hillary the kook will bring the party down through a lawsuit after the DNC revisits their stupid decision to disinfrancise Florida and Michigan.

The whole party system of delegates and super delegates is not "democracy" it is a sham. This party is a disgrace .... nothing at all has been accomplished since 2006 when the Dems seized power in the House and Senate ... all they do is continue to fund Bush's war. PATHETIC. Only a step above the Republicans which isn't saying much.

I'm fed up with the Democratic Party ... thankfully Obama gives hope for positive and real change.

I hear Clinton talking about popular vote, well its all about delegates in case she forgot just as it is all about electoral votes in the fall election.

She can find out from Al Gore who won the popular vote and who proceeded to the white house.

I want the goal posts to be shifted so all her supporters can she that she lost fair and square.

If the DNC cannot abide by their own ruling than there is little hope for the Democrat Party. Florida and Michigan should have taken care of this issue long before their primary. The bar cannot be moved to accommodate the Clinton's, Hillary is disgraceful for starting this circus. The media needs to remind voter's that Hillary signed on for the ruling until she fell behind and now needs those numbers.

All Hillary supporters get out and protest!

Saturday, the rules committee is meeting. If you can't go to D.C., get out in your home town. Let's send a message to these jerks at the DNC.

NO MORE RIGGED ELECTIONS IN AMERICA.

1 Vote=1 Vote.

They keep trying to push Hillary out of the race b/c they know after Puerto Rico votes, Hillary will have the popular vote with or without MI and FL.

Take it to the convention Hillary.

Obama is unelectable. Check out the Head to Heads on Realclearpolitics.com

They will really be wanting to move them in November if Obama is the candidate!!!

The only fair way for both parties is a recount. Unless that is done no votes for either candidate should count. Remember hundreds of thousands stayed home thinking their vote wouldn't count.

CNN POST PLEASE

Dear DNC

You must stick by the rules stated by the DNC before this election. I am a high school football coach we do not change the rules so the other team can catch up. You guys need to tell Hillary the rules are the rules. SHE SIGNED AND AGREED TO THAT PLEDGE, WHAT DOES THIS TEACH OUR CHILDREN! Do not be weak on this issue. Obama can get those voters back I campaigned here in Utah for him he won this state by a large margin we actually voted in this state.

Hillary needs to do what’s right; someone needs to explain to her that she needs to do the greater good for America and our children. She is taking the steam out of this campaign. So I ask all of you to stick to the rules and do what’s right. The whole world is watching America right now.

INTEGRITY OR HOUNESTY THE CLINTON’S HAVE PROVEN THEY HAVE NONE!

DNC has nothing to worry. Reality is this is a democratic year. Even if they contest DOG that will also win against Big Mac.

No offience meant to both candidates. Both candidates are extremely talented and capable of leading country.

You can push the goal post all the way to Libya for all we care DNC. The truth is that Obama has a majority of the delegates and will continue to have it even when you MI and FL whatever happens; and the super delegates will never destroy the party by nominating Clinton over Obama. Pick your poison.

Duh. derrr. Me want me socialism now! Free stuff from govurnment. Govurnment make me better life and stop global werming. Der.

Idiots for Clinton/Obama 200Godhelpus.

It wouldn't make a bit of difference, Wolf... which was the obama campaign's plan all along: stall on MI and FL until he wins the nomination and then make some sort of compromise.

How else could it have gone? The party might decide to change the rules... but to do so before the race was over would be crazy

The goalpost move would only prolong it. Hillary can't win regardless.

But for the sake of all of us voters, let's not prolong this any longer than it has been. I am Hillary Clinton fatiqued out. I really can't wait to see much less of her and her husband on television. That is why I have been keeping the television turned off. CNN ratings may improve if we can get this thing over with soon.

CNN is all for Obama, there is no doubt about it. I don't care much what they do with the goalposts but I sure would like to see Hillary surprise CNN and become the nominee.

I just came back from a parallel universe where Hillary was in the lead and laughing at the notion of allowing FL & MI.

She kept on saying, my opponent is desperate. He wants to change the rules AGAIN. How can we now change the rules at this late stage in the game? My opponent agreed to these rules in 2007. We need a president that abides by the rules.

The point is, would Hillary fight this hard if FL & MI would benefit Obama? Can we call this more SNIPER FIRE and call it a day?

The DNC Rules Committee should not reverse itself and seat the FL and MI delegates. It would not be fair to the other 48 states and half a dozen territories that abided by the rules. If the DNC changes the rules at this late date, it will be open season during the 2012 election. Everyone will want to be first. Let's not forget the people in FL who did not come out to vote (or voted in the Republican primary) because their primary was not going to count. What about the people in MI who did not vote, or voted uncommitted? How is the DNC going to make this right for them. We have rules for a reason. The DNC should not cave in to the pressure applied by the candidate who just happens to be losing under the rules that all the candidates agreed to at the start of the contest.

IT IS JUVENILE to make decisions based on "feelings".
Obama has made absolutely no staements as to EXACTLY WHAT CHANGES he plans and EXACTLY HOW THEY WILL BE IMPLEMENTED.
Obama's campaign is an overgrown teenage idol image and his followers are a bunch of Cheerleaders fainting and swooning over him.
Those Cheerleaders are going to be very sorry individuals when they find out that Obama represents ONLY BLACK LIBERATION THEOLOGY MARXISTS...and those cats are not nice people who invision everyone standing around singing "I'd Like To Teach The World To Sing"...as Obama would have you believe.
OBAMA:
"As I've said about the flag pin, I don't want to be perceived as taking sides," Obama said. "There are a lot of people in the world to whom the American flag is a symbol of oppression. And the anthem itself conveys a war-like message. You know, the bombs bursting in air and all. It should be swapped for something less parochial and less bellicose. I like the song 'I'd Like to Teach the World to Sing.' If that were our anthem, then I might salute it."
Those are Obama's exact words...now try and create a fake, dislusional context to fit those words into...because you do not have a clue as to how to "get real".
When faced with reality...your posting above shows that the best you can do is go into denial and whimper. At least others have the balls to go into a rage...which often happens when they are challenged with the reality of direct quotes that their stooge made. Obama was probably stoned when he made those profoundly ridiculous statements...now that's probably the rest of the context.
Lay off the substances, Marxists Dogma, and quit clinging to your psychology book...find some actual worth which you have to Society.

They might as well just do a revote.

I'll tell you what though if they don't and somehow clinton steals the election there is gonna be a hell of a backlash.

Some of you hateful clinton supporters think your cry for mccain is something, imagine the obama supporters all over the world that will see his nomination stolen because he had the decency to follow the rule's god forbid, that clinton signed off on no less, what a great lesson for the kids!

And how about counting the caucus state's for the popular vote, i thought every vote should count?? Oh right those tend to go for Obama, I guess it's every HILLARY vote should count huh? Oh and what about those that put other in Michigan, those don't matter because those arn't a Hillary vote either right??

Dear DNC

You must stick by the rules stated by the DNC before this election. I am a high school football coach we do not change the rules so the other team can catch up. You guys need to tell Hillary the rules are the rules. SHE SIGNED AND AGRRED TO THAT PLRDGE, WHAT DOES THIS TEACH OUR CHILDREN! Do not be weak on this issue. Obama can get those voters back I campaigned here in Utah for him he won this state by a large margin we actually voted in this state.

Hillary needs to do what’s right; someone needs to explain to her that she needs to do the greater good for America and our children. She is taking the steam out of this campaign. So I ask all of you to stick to the rules and do what’s right. The whole world is watching America right now.

INTEGRITY OR HOUNESTY THE CLINTON’S HAVE PROVEN THEY HAVE NONE!

Moving the Goalposts won't really change that much.

Obama is still not a viable candidate, who can't win in Novemeber.

Hillary is still our only hope of winning the general Election.

The SD's have their work cut out for them.

The Democratic Party Base of Moderates and Conservatives are praying we go with a candidate that can win!

Hillary 08

I think the seating of half the delegates is the fairest option available.

They cannot allow all of the delegates to be seated based upon the results of primaries that were against clearly stated party rules.

The DNC can't disenfranchise the voters of these two pivotal states but those states also need to know that they need to play by the rules like everyone else did.

Please don't move the goal posts on Obama, he'll break down in tears. If he can only bowl a 37 (and that with bumpers), how will he ever kick a field goal, his skirt will get in the way.

Moving the goalposts isn't going to make a difference. Regardless of the scenario.

A majority of the Michigan unpledged delegates are for Obama, and Edwards delegates that come over in Florida pretty much make this entire arguement non-existant. Hillary would gain a handful of delegates from this, that's it. It will be about 20 at most, she's down nearly 200 right now. Obama will still have the majority of the pledged delegates (which has been the goalpost by quite a few super delegates out there, so it is notable also).

The only thing this does is for Hillary to validify her claim on the popular vote, which excludeds Maine, Iowa, Nevada and Washington caucuses of course.

Regardless of the scenario, Hillary will still need about 75% of the remaining pledged delegates. A near mathematical impossibility.

Wolf, of course it could make a difference these delegates can change their mind and go Clintons way if they move up the delegate count if this goes to the convention. Clinton can campaign in more states and make her case for the nomination.

Plain and simple...We teach our kids to play by the rules, so I think they shouldn't seat those delegates because they violated the rules.

It do's not matter whether they move the 'Goal Post's'.. You have to Score.... This National Cup Race, come's around once every 4 yr's....
If you don't score.... It's a long time between Games......

One thing is certain, Hillary misspeaks habitually and her “apologies” come across as cold and calculating damage control!

Do we really want someone representing the USA to the world who is quick to misspeak and slow to own her mistakes? I think not!

Hillary, the Queen of Spin and a Legend in Her Own Mind!

Wolf- They will not move the goal post. Why would you ask such a destructable question. 2025 is and will be the number. FL & MI will be seated in a different way.

Yes, but it won't change the position of the players.

Those states need to be counted somehow some way, Wolf. Maybe give Clinton the votes she got in Florida and split Michigan 50/50. That's fair. The supers will have to decide the nominee anyway you slice it.

Obama '08

Moving the goalposts won't make a shred of difference. It will just delay the inevitable.

The DNC all need to grow a pair & move this thing forward.

The DNC should seat half the delegates from Florida and Michigan, giving Obama all the delegates Clinton wouldn't get from Michigan. Everybody gets something and nobody gets everything. Obama will still get the superdelegates he needs to clinch the nomination.

Please move the goal posts.
And if that doesn't help Hillary, please write her into the General Election ballot if she does not win the Dem nomination. I know I don't want John McCain to be the next president, and I am positive Obama does not have the chops to do the job right.
Go Hillary! Make a touchdown!

They can't seat them all and pretend they didn't break the rules. While recognizing the Republican way as the best practice probably doesn't sit well, Hillary has painted them into it by making this a 'rights' issue.

I hope the DNC is extremely clear in their communication that all the candidates endorsed their original verdict and that both remaining candidates support their revised judgement.

Everytime an Obama supporter or biased for Obama political pundit has stated that Hillary should get out of the race for the sake of the democratic party, it sways me all the more to vote for McCain should Obama receive the nomination. Thanks, Howard Dean for devising this screwed up democratic primary! You should be tarred and feathered!!
To paraphrase a line from Bush, "Good work Deanie!"

The DNC will stick with their rules

No way will they pander to the Clintons

Disgusting, change the goal posts in the middle of the game because Hillary is shreiking to loud.

The supers MUST take a stand!

WHATEVER THE CLINTONS WANT, THEY GET?

THIS IS SAD!

FIRST WE HAD TO EXPLAIN TO OUR CHILDREN WHAT THE MEANING OF "IS" IS...

NOW WE HAVE TO EXPLAIN THAT RULES AREN'T REALLY RULES.

THEY CAN BE CHANGED IF YOU WHINE ENOUGH...

THE CLINTONS ARE A DISGRACE TO THE USA

Who calls this "the Republican option?"

A 50% delegation is exactly what the DNC bylaws allow for, not zero and not 100%.

Calling Democrats Republicans only confuses the matter.

Wolf,

It should. Obama cannot beat McCain. He cannot win swing states which are an absolute to win in Nov. If Obama is the Nominee we will vote McCain or rather not vote. Obama is an intern. He is inexperienced. Besides all these we are seeing very good list of VP for McCain particularly Jindal and Huckbee

The goal posts have been moved so many times already- what's one more time going to do? The result will be the same-Obama is the nominee and the tactics used by HRC will be judged for the rest of her political life.- Pathetic.

You can bet that they will move the goalposts.Then it will take more superdelegates to make either one win.Clinton will move the whole playing field in necessary.

No! Play by the rules! Go Obama! The Young Love you. All you over 50 Clintonbots!!! IT's OVER!!! Forget about it!!!!!!I a WRAP!!!!!!!!!! Your old antiquated ideas (aka McCain) dont appeal to us! What absolute ignorance not to vote for a man because of his color……If African Americans hadnt voted for Bill Clinton he would never had been the president……Your time is up. One foot is on the banana peel so just slip already and let Generation Next move this Country forward.